Jain, Buddhist and Hindu Creation Myths

[OASKI123]

i couldnt hear her voice. ridiculous

[templar333]

***Buddhism has no particular opinion and the importance of creation is far less relevant that stopping mental turbulence**** we do,, there is more then just 3 books u know,, there is 49,000 sutras, in all of them that talk of time, say its "beginning-less"

[templar333]

there is no "Creation" it has not "start" the very idea of a start go's against all logic,

for the very idea of a Creation means nothing to some thing, in then a claim that there was a "god" in that nothing, that made every thing, how can you use a user name that u have with out knowing this? to us there is no start to time, its endless

[opensourcebuddhism]

@templar333 Fair enough and I know that templar, that Buddhist (and Jain and Hindu) time is endless, but there are cyclings in that endlessness. The Aganna Sutta may in fact have been written as a joke response to Hindu accounts, but it is there, nonetheless.

[satjathamma]

Time is endless only in ignorant viewing,

in the ultimate reality time is just illusion,

therefore there can be no cycles because a cycle

implies a begining and end which implies time

[Tauron68]

I am a Buddhist, and i don't know where you get your information, but, you better go back to "school". You are lacking in knowledge about the Buddhadhamma. Therefore, you should not speak about things you don't understand.

[opensourcebuddhism]

@Tauron68 That was my student's work Tauron...perhaps you could enlighten us where she went wrong rather than suggest she go back to school...or better yet, make another, better video and let me know when you do. i will watch it!

[z3r006]

@opensourcebuddhism the buddhist creation myth or how the universe works is probably one of the most scientific theories in religion, and reflects what modern scientists believe about the mechanics of the universe. The Buddha states that the universe continually expands and retracts through cycles. Its more in depth, but too long to describe.

[daleyjem]

good narrative, but too hastily read in my opinion.

[ukgreaterlondon]

dharma is anti knowlege,

knowlege is unhealthy,

fantasy contains knowlege but we enjoy and learn ?

[junkvideoviewer]

Hindu scriptures have various theories about creation. It is extremely arrogant and childish to attempt to condense them to a 10 minute presentation and pass it as truth. I challenge you to quote scriptural references than saying "Hindus believe..." There are Hindu scholars of lifetime (in some cases, multiple generations in some sects) trying to summarize different theories and come up with an acceptable all inclusive theory. I will wait for your references, if possible include Vedas.

[junkvideoviewer]

You can watch a different version of creation story from this youtube video which has references to scriptures (better than "Hindus believe..."): watch?v=ofdJ5sZIVbI

[TinSoldierPhoenix]

i am a buddhist who doesn't think about the creation of the universe, i think it is an unanswerable question, a question which looks for an unnecessary answer...

[helical4]

It never ceases to amaze me how people over the ages have continued to anthropomorhise the universe around us. Keeping explainations about origins within the confines of what is familiar to the human experience. It is interesting to learn about these stories, it is baffling to learn that there are many people who believe them to be true. When, I wonder, will human beings grow out of this phase of childish thinking?

[opensourcebuddhism]

@helical4 Dear helicali,

You need to be patient with people giving up their numerous creation myths. Science is all around us. let us just let it be I say, with intolerance towards those with beliefs. I bet you would be saddened to see an indigenous culture ruined by one of the axial age or so-called "great religions, wouldn't you? That is why I don't beat grannies up when they believe in Jehovah, Krishna or you name it! Science is the global perspective now you are right. Let it chill!

[ukgreaterlondon]

@opensourcebuddhism life has never existed, we just notice reality and fantasy then we die and see the truth ?

[opensourcebuddhism]

@helical4 ...when science gets chill about other religions, it will have left its adolescence to really become a grownup. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate Dawkins and Wilson et. al. scientists talking about religion. They are Falwell-like preachers of this new faith. Faith in repeat experiments making something "true" or "a fact" for instance. Human creation myths are still expressed. 

[opensourcebuddhism]

@helical4 How different is the Big Bang from the ancient Sumer myth of the emergence of a great mountain from the primordial sea, for example? One of the oldest known creation stories. The idea of infinite Big Bangs from infinite Black Holes is how different from one of the Hindu myths of the earth sitting on top of infinite turtles? And I prefer the "Blooming Lotus" creation imagery more than the term "Big Bang" and "Black Hole". So darkly Western, no?

[helical4]

@opensourcebuddhism I don't have a problem with stories, mythology, metaphors, or fables. They deserve to be preserved in the written history of our planet. What I do have a problem with are groups of people who take it as literal truth! There is a great difference between Scientific thinking and Theological thinking. And yes, it is evidence. You and I both know the power this has when it is coupled with our imagination. Theology only uses imagination and does not test its assumptions.

[thewirrow]

@opensourcebuddhism exactly. it's all the same shit using different characters to express them. including modern scientific creation myths. they are symbols.. attached to the same eternal ideas.

[meekus02]

@helical4 "Familiar to the human experience?" Did you pay attention to the details of this story. Who do you know that is familiar with the 6 time cycles, the cosmic egg, or who reject the question of origins with the belief that it cannot be explained at all? Perhaps the childish thinking is that which believes that the origins of the universe can be simply explained using empirical methods, perceived with merely the five senses, and analyzed using limited human reason. Check your pride.

[helical4]

@meekus02 You forget one other element that is needed to get to the truth. And that is evidence. The Big Bang, the formation of galaxies, stars, solar systems and planets, atoms and molecules, matter and energy, the chemical emergence of biomolecules and the formation of self-replicating systems, and biological evolution. Drifting continents, tectonic plates, volcanos, a constantly changing planet. These are not based on stories written in a book with its authorship long since forgotten.

[meekus02]

@helical4 Please explain to me why "evidence" is limited to non-human evidence. What does the scientist do with millenia of human culture telling creation stories and believing in them? Is "evidence" only that which can be re-created in a laboratory? If so, what does one do when the evidence points toward a scientific Truth, say, the Big Bang, without being able to actually reproduce it? Penrose proved singularities, but the big bang itself remains a theory. Why? Can we reproduce that?

[templar333]

@meekus02 the LHC was made for that very reason,

[utopianguy]

Interesting! Could you repost this video without the background music.

[Ooga001]

You forgot Sikhism.. which is also a Dharmic religion. Also, don't refer to them as "myths"; it is extremely arrogant and condescending, especially by someone who is of an etic perspective, to do so. The desert cults, judaism, christianity, and islam, share myths that are so antithetical to common sense that they make Dr.Seuss seem profound.

[opensourcebuddhism]

@Ooga001 Dr. Seuss is profound! Come on! Krishna holding up the Govardhan mountain is pretty whack! Ancient humans were very imaginative...as are modern ones.

[MidWestAction]

@opensourcebuddhism He's an avatar w/ a flute. Like what.!?

[BillKiernan]

@Ooga001 "Also, don't refer to them as "myths"; it is extremely arrogant and condescending" being that they've all been proven to be false, we can safely call them myths, because they are.

[InsightfulGenius]

So do you call the story of Adam and Eve a creation myth?

[opensourcebuddhism]

well...that is what it is is it not? otherwise we are plagued by incestuous relationships - the human population would have become demented by the third generation. Nope, I don't believe the world is a mere 7000 or so years old - do you?

[InsightfulGenius]

I'm just saying there's a tendency to refer to Asian belief systems as myths, where as the belief systems of Christians are held to be ultimate truth.

Also you do not have proof that the world isn't 7000 years old neither do I have proof that it is. But anyway everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[opensourcebuddhism]

@InsightfulGenius I do have countless proofs the world is more than 7000 years old but why waste my time?

[realistromeo]

3:00 amazing how this describes the fall from a golden age.. this definatly has piqued my intrest.

[ElusiveAnole]

She did a great job with this.

[LeHuyAnh]

Much thanx!