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  • im paul robet haha you sad cheating fuck.

  • Bye again!

  • I guess I'm not really part of the youtube community I guess, but I see what you're saying. Youtube commenters get REALLY bad, sort of like DIGG commenters and Halo XBox Live Voice Chatters.

    You've got this new thing going on, that's awesome.

  • Stop trying to dismantle Youtube with your Pathetic Vloggerheads. Vloggerheads sucks, Youtube Rocks

  • Dismantle youtube? Wow, someone doesn't know what they're talking about.

  • I think VH pretty much succeeded doing just that

  • Bullshit! I was permabanned for simply RESPONDING to an attack and ive saved both videos as solid proof! VloggerHeads Is Total fail! You have allowed hate while making it a violation to simply RESPOND to such! total bullshit in my opinion and for once I agree 100% with The BeeOBee!!!

  • Now simply ask yourself if you want an obvious sociopathic individual on this site? If you do then perhaps you've come to the wrong website, this is a place for Vloggers, not mental cases.

  • Old people have E.D

  • Would love to be a member of Vloggerheads but am only 17! Sounds like it's a great new site and a good idea. Good luck with it! Ben

  • I'm a member!

    Will it ever become large, impersonal, corrupt then be bought out by a large corporation and become even worse? LOL

    BTW

    HOW can anybody attack Vloggerheads??

  • Absolutely! We can't wait to sell out! w00t!!

    The attacks have been puzzling, but, to be fair, things have calmed down quite quickly. I hope we've all turned the page.

  • Tom, I really don't understand HOW they can "attack."

    Get in posing as someone else then do crazy crap?

    Spamming?

    Voodoo???

  • What do you mean by first Community Council? Is there a 2nd one? Does CC still even exist?

  • wheateater that's just it. the community council was a farce, a slap in the community's face just like the youtubeadvocate being youtubeunderground haters

  • Wow, Tom, you're representing "the evil empire" well here! BoogiedownBronx!!

    I can't believe some Youtubers are getting your undies all bunched up over something new and different that some people wanna do. Freakin' relax, people.

    I'd rather not have creepy bullies on my playground and I'd happily give up my phone# for that assurance.

    Best of luck! (blaugra)

  • Good idea; questionable product; lousy presentation.

    Maybe its not too late to correct things but I doubt it.

  • I thought of a good title for Vloggerheads if it were a boat:

    "This Piece of Shit Won't Float".

  • Tom Guarriello wired magazine

  • Is Vloggerheads what was formerly the TheTropolis? Or is it something completely different? Okay, I think since you name all TheTroplis people, I am guessing it is the same.

    There is a lot of confusion about this. Zen Archer thinks they are two different sites for example.

  • Hope it works out Bro....

  • Hey, Pappy. Miss you on VH, my man. Come on over and watch a video or two and see how things are developing. Hope to see you sometime.

  • ...Yeah so lets just create a site where everyone shares the same opinion! Great idea Tom! Socialist utopia where everyone has the same views... God forbid people have conflicting opinions; people might get offended and start their own vlogging websites.

  • I miss tlg847 but understand and wish the best.

  • Takeing away the ability to communicate is preaty much takeing away freedome of speach... i fully support vloggerheads even tho i am not of age

  • I honestly do not understand why anybody would want to be associated with you or renetto...much less the both of you at the same time. If anybody needs proof that there are countless idiots out there...here is the proof...

  • Uuum - looking at your channel - tell me again - who's the idiot. Pathetic

  • first off needle dick, this was not posted at you unless you are an idiot. So since you did respond... Do I need to tell you again? Do you understand? my point proven...LOL

  • Good luck. There's always someone who has the sole objective of ruining things for everyone. That's how they find their power. I can't figure it out either.

  • Nice catch there, "making boring videos.." then "nothing anyone cares about........... except us" the people attacking you are doing it not because there is any real reason.. the cookie jar on top of the fridge is always more delicious than the one that is handed to you.. why? Because you arent suppose to be able to get that cookie when YOU want it..

  • another thing Tom.. why make a video to/about these guys? Isnt this just feeding into the frenzy? I have said this tons of times before.. "Dont feed the trolls".. no one ever seems to listen and I kind of pictured you as the type of guy that wouldnt get caught up in this..

  • Well, this video was actually to our own community but I felt it was appropriate to use YT, as the other guys had been, just to give my perspective on this. Clean hands aren't always realistic in a squabble, and not always desirable.

  • he made this video because he is under attack from queer trolls like BOB

  • stabskehan because he's working with the trolls bob

  • I'm not sure that the age limit is a good idea. The nastiest bullying that I've read on youtube was of a young blogger who just wanted to voice his opinions on music and movies. It would be nice if younger bloggers had a safe place to go.

  • We agree. It's just that right now we don't have the kinds of mechanisms that would make us feel comfortable that kids would be safe. Thanks.

  • [1/3] It's difficult to fathom where all this enmity comes from. Sure, to most people living in a police state does not sound all that appealing. But if people choose to found their own police state where they can feel safe, not least perhaps because the state is small enough that pretty much everyone can be in the police themselves -- why not let them?

  • [2/3] I mean, it's a bit sad that some of YT's more interesting and insightful people have gone Pilgrim Fathers, but if they fell they cannot live their beliefs on this strand of the web, why should they not leave? There's lots of special interest video sharing sites. Nobody here feels threatened by YouPorn, so why by Vloggerheads?

  • [3/3] I wonder, though, why you advertise that site at all. As Paul said, gated communities define themselves by who they keep out. So wouldn't you have been smaller, but happier, if this had remained a word-of-mouth kind of exodus? Lastly: Why do you use both Google Analytics and Clicky? Isn't one (bad) enough?

  • Tom... substitute the word "vloggerheads" with "youtube account" and listen to your words again :>

  • Good luck with the site Tom, but I have to say that from what I have heard there seems to be a demand on knowing potential members credit card numbers and/or phone numbers. I would never give my private information to anyone. Surely all you would have to do is check out some YT profiles and videos?

  • Well I hope all is well over there.

    I think honestly that most of the negativity comes from the drama that got attached to it via renetto. I have nothing against the guy, but he is pretty good about polarizing people one way or the other.

    I'd be interested to see what's going on over there. I got my invite and applied, but have yet to hear back. I'll assume that it's just dealing with the current garbage.

    Anyway, have a good one.

  • "first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then then they try to fight you, then you win." Ghandi

    Web Cam being set up can't wait!

  • buh bye

  • I love this. "This is what we're gonna do..." that whole speech was just awesome- I am hooked I have to check this out.

  • Hi Tom!

    I am not sure to understand whos attacking your site or how... but thanks for letting us know! In any case I'm happy to be part of it ;)

  • Great video, i can't wait to join!

  • Good luck on your new project!

  • Oh my God, Tom! You said fuck! That was a shock to my senses, woke me up a little, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

  • I know...look what's happened to me since this VloggerHeads thing kicked off! Thanks.

  • Well I love the site (I'm /profiles/lester over there)

  • Oh, great! Glad you're enjoying it.

  • Good Luck!

  • Yes, we will never surrender!!!

  • Good video.

  • I'm sorry, I don't know what you're referring to.

  • golly you can't see them vloggerheads unless your one of the chosen few...good luck

  • Please be patient, we hope to be able to invite lots more people soon.

  • MIKMA WAS HERE

  • Hey, Mik!

  • TheVegetaChannel, You ARE a Pedophile

  • I'd love to check this out. Sounds good Tom.

  • To be honest, I've been so busy this past year that I totally forgot about your guy's project. When I heard about Vloggerheads I didn't put 2 and 2 together... oops :). I'll go check it out now.... and congratulations on finally getting it up and running!

  • Gee, I come back to YT and didn't even realize there was a maelstrom brewing. Guess it's not business as usual here.

    I laughed when you dropped the F-bomb. I know you were being serious but I was taken by surprise.

  • Assuming Vloggerheads is a smashing success, who benefits from the intrinsic value of the site if it ever is sold? Are you folks incorporated? I would assume you are, if so is there any documentation you wish to share with the public concerning these questions? Thank you.

  • love your hat !

    **KISSES**

  • Has it only been three weeks? Yikes!

  • Time flies when you're having "fun"!

  • I don't understand what people can do to attack you.

    I do how ever think it is rather sad that people can't make their own site with out other people disagreeing and trying to shut this site down. If these people disagree with this site then all they have the right to do is to not join your site.

  • Puzzling, isn't it?

  • In other words, VloggerHeads is great; harassment is pure spam; and the less spam the better.

    But there's nothing stopping us from -doing- all the chastising and deleting and blocking and banning that VloggerHeads will do . . .

    in our heads.

    It would be simpler, though, if the harassers and haters and trolls and other spammers would just stop generating all the spam in the first place.

    We should just write a FAQ for new YouTubers.

  • How should we react to grown men acting like children?

    Parents know: Your attention is gold. If you ignore your children when they're good and suddenly starting paying all kinds of attention to them when they behave badly . . . then they'll behave badly.

    I think everyone already knows by now, but just in case there are people new to YouTube, the simplest solution is still the right one:

    Ignore haters. Reply to your fans.

  • Thanks. Appreciate the sanity.

  • It's depressing to admit that people sometimes do bad things just because they feel bad.

    It's frustrating to have to ignore someone completely when we all know how destructive it is to ignore someone.

    But we have no choice. The less time we waste on adults who act like children, the better.

  • a meditation mantra on harassers . . .

    Why do people cross the line, from playfighting with friends to harassing strangers?

    The question assumes that we're all rational people who behave rationally. Harassing people is destructive and self-destructive, just like all the other dumb self-destructive things people do.

  • Tom...I love vloggerheads...and I love YT....its all good mate...thanx for the invite mate.....cheeeerz....

  • Thanks for the invite - I haven't yet had time to investigate but.... I did wake up to a whole bunch of emails with friend invites from people I have never heard of which I always delete when it happens on YT and was why I left Live Video. Given that you had the courtesy to invite me in and I do recognise a couple of the dozen or so names that mailed me I will stick around but it seems difficult to quietly dip your toes in over there and I find that a bit un-nerving.

  • You nailed the motive for the griefers, (the term for those who engage in the same sort of behavior in the MMORPG's on the net.)

    It's all about the sense of power they get from being able to disrupt other people's fun, like any bully, but from what I can tell, they don't dare to behave the same way in a real world, face to face, situation because they'd get thumped.

    The safety that comes with the anonymity of the internet gives them the courage to behave as they do.

  • Youtube is not so bad. If you censor a lot of people, you won't see reality no more.

  • To answer your question about why some "hater" types might want to go "invade" Vloggerheads - I'm just guessing, as I'm NOT one of them - is because people they were fighting with (or harassing, stalking, whatever) went there.

    So I think it's less an idealogical attack on your site or ideas so much as drama baggage tied to some (many?) of your members.

    Not that you can blame them for it, necessarily... many are simply victims.

    Just saying: I think that's probably why.

  • What a tremendous opportunity you have unearthed here Tom. "Hatertube," for the vloggers who delight in the suffering of others. You might even be able to charge for it...

  • Invite thedramatube.

  • Five stars for more reasons then I want to explain in text but mainly having to do with respect.

  • It sure sounds like this attack thing is a valid threat. I've missed seeing your face around YT but understand why now.

  • BURN!! BURN!! BURN!! BURN!! BURN!!

  • Hmmm... No Comment

  • Teresa, love love love to you!

  • Teresa, be well. - Reid

  • So, why over 18?

  • Good question. Two reasons, mostly. First, we don't have the kinds of tools in place that would provide the level of security young people require. Second, community members felt having young people on the site would affect their comfort with dealing openly with some issues. We'd like to be able to open up membership to under 18s but we just can't do that now.

  • hey, hurry up! We need reinforcements!! (I'm not kidding either!!!)

  • Can anyone watch at vloggerheads or is it only for those those who are invited to be members.

  • Members only. Interested? Send me a PM and I'll forward an invite.

  • A place to feel safe without bullys!

  • Well, there might be bullies in the neighborhood, but if they harass you, they go. Just about all we can guarantee.

  • I don't get what is going on at all. I assume you are going to be "attacked" because Vloggerheads is an implicit criticism of haters (I don't like that term, by the way). So what can happen? Someone floods your server and the site crashes? Annoying, sure, but you seem to be anticipating something worse.

    I've seen vids by Tom, by Victor, by Reid, by ZenArcher, etc. and am none the wiser. How much of this is spillover from preexisting YouTube animosities?

  • 2ii89 if people had grudges against a certain person here, the grudge carries over to vh as well.

  • It's not a unique social phenomenon. It's people squabbling over trivia while the overall shape of things gets determined outside their view. We have so much power if we can figure out how to get it together.

  • Okay, so I've gotten an invite and taken the first steps to join vh. I still feel mystified by the drama but maybe it will all come clear in time. I'm sure you're familiar with this quote:

    "The reason why [YouTube] politics is so bitter is that there is so little at stake."

  • There's a new requirement to get into Vloggerheads in the video description? You have to be "interesting in an invitation?" I guess I can think of ways people can be "interesting in an invitation" (Mae West "Why don't you come up sometime 'n see me?" ;-)

    And speaking of things from the WW II era, in parts of this video, you kind of sound like Winston Churchill:

    "we shall fight on the beaches... we shall never surrender..."

    Trying to be Churchillian? Fight the good fight!

    Thx 4 the video :-)

  • Age you mean? Just making it explicit.

    Apt, isn't it? Microscopically...

  • you still bore the hell out of me

  • the feeling is mutual

  • Then why are you still here NewWarriorman? Why are you still coming to Tom's YouTube? Why comment?

    Why do you care?

    Cause you do.

  • I think Greg needs to give the NewWarrior "man" another public lashing. LOL

  • Boy Tom, I've never seen you do drama before! Kudos!

  • lol...yeah, I never do drama. How the hell did I get into this? Oh, yeah, that frackin' renetto...

  • lolwut?

  • yeah...

  • Outstanding! Let the frackers do what they will. We will not shut up. We will vlog. We are Vloggerheads and we will prevail! WooHoo!

  • Prepare to jump...

  • but youtube does not care for vloggers, watching video, long one

  • good video, tlg.

  • yeah, you're right, YT does not care for bloggers. We're minuscule nothings in the YT world. Thanks.

  • Attacking anyone because you disagree with them is wrong. It's preferred by society that when you disagree with someone you debate and bring about a resolution. Whether the resolution be changing someone's opinion, changing your opinion, or agreeing to disagree. It's a better alternative than causing harm to bring about change. Sorry that this i happening to you tig847. The only explanation I can give is that they are insecure in their being and feel very afraid(not sure why)or just very stupid.

  • That's a very rational approach which most of us would hope to see used more often. But not everyone. Thanks.

  • I think when these people see that that can't be in control in their own eyes, they get upset.

  • I've kinda given up trying to figure out why folks do most of what they do. Just gotta deal with what they do and take it for what it is.

  • I commend you guys for what you are doing. I was skeptical at first but as more videos are made about it, i am coming to an understanding that it isnt the club of elites we all here thought it was. Good luck on success there.

  • Thanks, Jim. It's hard to convince people that you're "not" something once they make up their mind that you "are," even if they have no idea what they're talkin' about. People calling VH a club of elites couldn't be more wrong.

  • Bad behavior makes me grrr.

  • I know. People suck! 8^)

  • I love vLoggerHeads :)

  • Good to hear that. Thanks.

  • I really hope the experiment is as much a success as you've all worked so hard for.

  • Thanks.

  • I really like Vh its a good site

  • Thanks. It's not Utopia but we're building something.

  • To the barricades, Tom!

  • Absolutely!

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