cont. It must really burn your asses still. Then, you could hide behind your ideology but with no more draft, your anti war rallies went from hunderd of thousands to less than 10000 at a time. I can see why you hate nixon; you claim he broke the law and yet every democratic pres since then has done no less then him, ask commander hillary and her wife bill. but your ideology and the ends jusfify the means; right!? Life is so unfair, isn't it!? You lose Kerry.
To all you liberals out there, judging by the posts your making your still so damn angered that you were outsmarted by nixon. After almost 40 years your still can't believe it can u?! What must still really burn your asses is the concept of the volunteer army. The process of doing away with the draft must really have angered you; the thought of not being forced to fight a war and seeing all your support for the anit war crowd must have really hurt. He called your bluff and won.
I have to admit, Kerry comes off as kind of charming here, and certainly very intelligent, consistent, respectful, sincere and even cool. It's really hard to believe that this is the same person who ran for President in 2004.
O'Neill though definitively gave Kerry a run for his money, although he was probably too personally vindictive, and Kerry was actually more convincing on the POW issue. O'Neill should have added more stress on the Viet Cong and NVA atrocities, and asked Kerry what exactly he thought of the Viet Cong.
This is why you'll never be pres! Your so sad Kerry; your alleging crimes and wrong doings that you assume happened; the ends justify the means. You liberals are as sad and weak; the weakness our enemies celebrate. Your a top vote getter among terrorists, russians, iranians,anad all devil worshipper. and if I were Nixon, I would have wanted to thank O'meill to, which you also cry about. You lose Kerry.
@Dbusdriver71 You're a very scary person because you think the things you've said here are true. Something has blinded your mind from reality. Perhaps it's ideology, or religion, or just plain old stubbornness. Odds are you found these theories from people you trust, but your views as here expressed are dangerous and borderline sociopathic. Kerry is a good American who has served his country, and would have been President if Karl Rove hadn't manipulated the voting machines here in Ohio.
@Dbusdriver71 Military records of American atrocities were released a couple years ago proving that John Kerry was right. Of course you don't care about truth just ideology right?
@THEINVENTABLETHREAT There is nothing like being told your evil because you practice witchcraft from a bunch of witches who think their rightous because they justify their right to practice witchcraft. We were invited to vietnam; the north invited themselves. The NVA broke every rule of warefare and then cry murder when we are accused of murder. Dont start with ideology; making comparisions tween the U.S. and the NVA is like comparing school kids fighting vs. the Nazis. The north isn't innocent!
@Dbusdriver71 You said he "alleged" and "assumed" war crimes. As the speaker for the anti war group he was representing. What was he supposed to do? "Representation" is the entire idea behind our republic. know you go back on your statement and say "they were just as evil as we were" Yet, I never said that North Vietnam was innocent. You started with "ideology" in your first statement. So I guess you are demonizing Kerry for representing a group of people who were right.
@THEINVENTABLETHREAT I demonize people who were against the entire operation from start to finish even before advisors were sent and then use their ideology to justify their stance. And the ideology is we are guilty even before the crimes were commited; the north was innocent no matter what they did. Even when they commited war crimes they were innocent simply because we were there.
@Dbusdriver71 You're an idiot. You hate lies, so you become a liar. Nixon secretly dumped more bombs on civilian populations per square mile than ever in history. Children in Laos and Cambodia still get blown to bits to this day because bombees. So we escalated the war which killed around 1,000,000 civilians10 and ten years after they're capitalist. You would do it all over again but kill more this time around? dip shit. You probably jack off to Chuck Norris and Rambo flicks.
@THEINVENTABLETHREAT The North were killing anyone that helped the U.S. and excuted anyone that was prowestern or pro south vietnam. You liberals seem to forget the north killed as many as you claim america did in its bombings; which were meant to get the north vietnamese to return to the peace table. They were the ones parading the pow's in front of the television cameras You seem to convienently forget these things. Its always america's fault. and I didn't watch rambo or chuck noris.
@Dbusdriver71 It was jfk that sent over the advisors and lynden johnson that escalated the war. You seem to forget that. Its obviously Nixon's war. The consecessions that the north wanted were so bad we might as well have surrendered unconditionally but that doesn't matter to the liberals unless its a liberal president. Reality fool, lies are a part of life now; ask commander Hillary and her wife bill. they did some pretty good lying themselves and bombed some asprin factories too!
@Dbusdriver71 I haven't forgot that. You just mentioned Nixon and I followed. LBJ is in many ways worse than Nixon. What's your point? You think I'm going to express my love for LBJ? "Lies are part of life" you use that to excuse any wrong doing anybody does. Why not excuse North Vietnam and China? Why not just say everyone is evil and give up, why take sides? Why defend wrong? the only way to defend wrong is to say wrong things.
@THEINVENTABLETHREAT I feel the need to ask you this; do you really think any american pres since Lincoin's time has actually told the truth? do you really believe that anyone in the whitehouse has actually tried to tell the truth; that even your beloved JFK and his brother the Attorney Gen at that time or anyone for that matter has told the truth!
Republican or Democrat, there was a truthfull pres? if you do, lets go find some unicorns and rainbows with pots of gold; we've got it made.
@Dbusdriver71 I don't trust any politician, because to be a politician you have to be a narcissist. You keep projecting and grouping. If one side does this, it's okay to do that. If that's you're argument forget it. It's ridiculous. You're trying to squirm away from the truth that the entire Vietnam war was a horrible disaster. For what reason, I don't know, maybe because it doesn't require thinking.
Kerry said he served for patriotic reasons? Why then did he try to get a student deferment AFTER graduation to study in France? I love how Kerry served the hopes of the enemy then with his workings against the men still fighting then and still had the nerve to mention "Quislings who gave up". Well Quisling didn't give up he sold out. Kerry both sold out AND gave up. Gave up before he even started.
I could see John O'Neill speaking loudly in defense of LT Calley, CPT Medina, and all the rest of the My Lai murderers. I could see him being a good Nazi officer. O'Neill used a lot of words there, not a sword. Does that make him a coward? And he talks about hate from protestors against the war? What was he spewing in that barrage, love?
@stompafly Ah yes,How dare I.Hey twat,Kerry not only disrespected his fellow vets,he accused them of ATROCITIES THEY DIDN't COMMIT.Soooo you AND Johnboy can shove it up your crescent moons.
Kerry looks like Jay Leno. Anyway, Kerry is a real American hero(unlike daddy's little boy georgie) who's image was slandered by the more dominant right-wing media.
@xtrmsprts A hero,you are funny.He enlisted in the Navy,not knowing he would be deployed inland.On top of that he joined to gain a platform to attack his fellow troops.John Kerry is a dishonest scumbag,just like Barry Obama.
That was an invention of the West, driven by stale misguided policies of the US and British. The creation of South Vietnam was a feeble attempt to manufacture a western foothold in mainland Asia, and the brutality of Diem and his dreaded secret police were machinations of arrogant policies of hegemony and domination which were bound to fail without support of the population.
This does not make the Communist leadership any less brutal, however.
I would like to see more fellow Americans give ourselves the benefit of the doubt when we get in war- the benefits of America's relatively consistent involvement in various wars/conflicts throughout the last century are actually plentiful. Who knows, though.
lol and the people who think this debate was about "winning" are stupid- there is undeniable evidence that Kerry's war medals were received through 2 self-inflicted wounds, and that he regularly lied about his 4-month tour in Vietnam.
I didn't mean to sound like I was arguing, if I did, snake. I just meant that simply attributing who won the debate doesn't resolve the issue, as some of the more leftist non-thinkers would be inclined to think.
Debates are pointless, discussions are worth something. O'neil calls him a little man, just how now the right were calling people against the war unpatriotic. They resort to name calling. Who wins is pointless it's the facts that matter. Someone can be pro killing children and beat the other guy in a debate, doesn't mean it's right though. In this case, people sided with Kerry because of the facts.
Perhaps calling names is bad, but people didn't side "with Kerry because of the facts." He actually lied many times about his military service and his so-called service. I can quote many for you and cite sources if you're ever interested. Did you know Kerry said that at most only up to 3 or 6 thousand South Vietnamese would need political asylum if the North came in after we left? The actual number the northern communists killed was much closer to 1 million.
This political ad about Kerry is misleading. I knew that he had won the election back in 2004, but that retard Bush ended up being the winner of that election as well. The electoral folks back in 2000 and 2004 were such jerks in declaring Bush the winner both times.
Kerry obviously won if you watched the entire thing. It's actually pretty widely known that Kerry won. In fact Nixon was greatly angered by this show and can even be heard on the watergate tapes discussing how they can "screw" Cavett. O'Neill didn't even seem to understand what the issues really were and spent most of the debate making irrelevant and false accusations including that Kerry was trying to speak for all veterans. He also got flustered and resorted to name calling several times.
Auctually O'Neil won this debate in my opinion. Kerry seems to paint all veterans with the same brush, and doesn't seem to have facts on his side only his opinion that he himself tortured and killed the Vietnemese (sp?). Why wasn't he brought up on charges if this was the case? Kerry is a very smooth talker and he still is to this day.
Yes, sure, but ieatchickenwings, I can quote facts for you regarding how many various lies, exaggerations, and outright frauds John Kerry has committed. Just ask the majority of his swift boat crew.
John O'neill is an American patriot. This debate came back to haunt Kerry, highlighting his fraudulent career, treasonous actions and bankrupt leftist ideology.
The current Democrat candidate is a Marxist with a razor-thin resume. The Democrats are even further to the left than the last time -- they've been hijacked by the extreme left, even further left than Kerry.
cont. It must really burn your asses still. Then, you could hide behind your ideology but with no more draft, your anti war rallies went from hunderd of thousands to less than 10000 at a time. I can see why you hate nixon; you claim he broke the law and yet every democratic pres since then has done no less then him, ask commander hillary and her wife bill. but your ideology and the ends jusfify the means; right!? Life is so unfair, isn't it!? You lose Kerry.
Dbusdriver71 2 months ago
To all you liberals out there, judging by the posts your making your still so damn angered that you were outsmarted by nixon. After almost 40 years your still can't believe it can u?! What must still really burn your asses is the concept of the volunteer army. The process of doing away with the draft must really have angered you; the thought of not being forced to fight a war and seeing all your support for the anit war crowd must have really hurt. He called your bluff and won.
Dbusdriver71 2 months ago
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I have to admit, Kerry comes off as kind of charming here, and certainly very intelligent, consistent, respectful, sincere and even cool. It's really hard to believe that this is the same person who ran for President in 2004.
RightLibertarian 3 months ago
O'Neill though definitively gave Kerry a run for his money, although he was probably too personally vindictive, and Kerry was actually more convincing on the POW issue. O'Neill should have added more stress on the Viet Cong and NVA atrocities, and asked Kerry what exactly he thought of the Viet Cong.
RightLibertarian 3 months ago
This is why you'll never be pres! Your so sad Kerry; your alleging crimes and wrong doings that you assume happened; the ends justify the means. You liberals are as sad and weak; the weakness our enemies celebrate. Your a top vote getter among terrorists, russians, iranians,anad all devil worshipper. and if I were Nixon, I would have wanted to thank O'meill to, which you also cry about. You lose Kerry.
Dbusdriver71 7 months ago
@Dbusdriver71 You're a very scary person because you think the things you've said here are true. Something has blinded your mind from reality. Perhaps it's ideology, or religion, or just plain old stubbornness. Odds are you found these theories from people you trust, but your views as here expressed are dangerous and borderline sociopathic. Kerry is a good American who has served his country, and would have been President if Karl Rove hadn't manipulated the voting machines here in Ohio.
TheTubePortal 3 months ago
@Dbusdriver71 Military records of American atrocities were released a couple years ago proving that John Kerry was right. Of course you don't care about truth just ideology right?
THEINVENTABLETHREAT 2 months ago
@THEINVENTABLETHREAT There is nothing like being told your evil because you practice witchcraft from a bunch of witches who think their rightous because they justify their right to practice witchcraft. We were invited to vietnam; the north invited themselves. The NVA broke every rule of warefare and then cry murder when we are accused of murder. Dont start with ideology; making comparisions tween the U.S. and the NVA is like comparing school kids fighting vs. the Nazis. The north isn't innocent!
Dbusdriver71 2 months ago
@Dbusdriver71 You said he "alleged" and "assumed" war crimes. As the speaker for the anti war group he was representing. What was he supposed to do? "Representation" is the entire idea behind our republic. know you go back on your statement and say "they were just as evil as we were" Yet, I never said that North Vietnam was innocent. You started with "ideology" in your first statement. So I guess you are demonizing Kerry for representing a group of people who were right.
THEINVENTABLETHREAT 2 months ago
@THEINVENTABLETHREAT I demonize people who were against the entire operation from start to finish even before advisors were sent and then use their ideology to justify their stance. And the ideology is we are guilty even before the crimes were commited; the north was innocent no matter what they did. Even when they commited war crimes they were innocent simply because we were there.
Dbusdriver71 2 months ago
@Dbusdriver71 You're an idiot. You hate lies, so you become a liar. Nixon secretly dumped more bombs on civilian populations per square mile than ever in history. Children in Laos and Cambodia still get blown to bits to this day because bombees. So we escalated the war which killed around 1,000,000 civilians10 and ten years after they're capitalist. You would do it all over again but kill more this time around? dip shit. You probably jack off to Chuck Norris and Rambo flicks.
THEINVENTABLETHREAT 2 months ago
@THEINVENTABLETHREAT The North were killing anyone that helped the U.S. and excuted anyone that was prowestern or pro south vietnam. You liberals seem to forget the north killed as many as you claim america did in its bombings; which were meant to get the north vietnamese to return to the peace table. They were the ones parading the pow's in front of the television cameras You seem to convienently forget these things. Its always america's fault. and I didn't watch rambo or chuck noris.
Dbusdriver71 2 months ago
@Dbusdriver71 It was jfk that sent over the advisors and lynden johnson that escalated the war. You seem to forget that. Its obviously Nixon's war. The consecessions that the north wanted were so bad we might as well have surrendered unconditionally but that doesn't matter to the liberals unless its a liberal president. Reality fool, lies are a part of life now; ask commander Hillary and her wife bill. they did some pretty good lying themselves and bombed some asprin factories too!
Dbusdriver71 2 months ago
@Dbusdriver71 I haven't forgot that. You just mentioned Nixon and I followed. LBJ is in many ways worse than Nixon. What's your point? You think I'm going to express my love for LBJ? "Lies are part of life" you use that to excuse any wrong doing anybody does. Why not excuse North Vietnam and China? Why not just say everyone is evil and give up, why take sides? Why defend wrong? the only way to defend wrong is to say wrong things.
THEINVENTABLETHREAT 2 months ago
@THEINVENTABLETHREAT I feel the need to ask you this; do you really think any american pres since Lincoin's time has actually told the truth? do you really believe that anyone in the whitehouse has actually tried to tell the truth; that even your beloved JFK and his brother the Attorney Gen at that time or anyone for that matter has told the truth!
Republican or Democrat, there was a truthfull pres? if you do, lets go find some unicorns and rainbows with pots of gold; we've got it made.
Dbusdriver71 2 months ago
@Dbusdriver71 I don't trust any politician, because to be a politician you have to be a narcissist. You keep projecting and grouping. If one side does this, it's okay to do that. If that's you're argument forget it. It's ridiculous. You're trying to squirm away from the truth that the entire Vietnam war was a horrible disaster. For what reason, I don't know, maybe because it doesn't require thinking.
THEINVENTABLETHREAT 2 months ago
Slightly perplexed as to why O'Neill misquotes Oscar Wilde there.
Useless2112 9 months ago
Kerry said he served for patriotic reasons? Why then did he try to get a student deferment AFTER graduation to study in France? I love how Kerry served the hopes of the enemy then with his workings against the men still fighting then and still had the nerve to mention "Quislings who gave up". Well Quisling didn't give up he sold out. Kerry both sold out AND gave up. Gave up before he even started.
bush1tman 1 year ago
I could see John O'Neill speaking loudly in defense of LT Calley, CPT Medina, and all the rest of the My Lai murderers. I could see him being a good Nazi officer. O'Neill used a lot of words there, not a sword. Does that make him a coward? And he talks about hate from protestors against the war? What was he spewing in that barrage, love?
juslookin3 1 year ago
@stompafly Ah yes,How dare I.Hey twat,Kerry not only disrespected his fellow vets,he accused them of ATROCITIES THEY DIDN't COMMIT.Soooo you AND Johnboy can shove it up your crescent moons.
jimmmmybrady 1 year ago
John O'Neil's opening statement sounded honest and convincing.
At this point, no sign of him being a "right wing/George W. Bush" loving wacko.
wheelinthesky300 1 year ago
John O'neil is a REAL HERO.
jimmmmybrady 1 year ago
Thank G-d for the Swift Boat Real Americans
MrYaakov1958 1 year ago
Kerry looks like Jay Leno. Anyway, Kerry is a real American hero(unlike daddy's little boy georgie) who's image was slandered by the more dominant right-wing media.
xtrmsprts 1 year ago
@xtrmsprts A hero,you are funny.He enlisted in the Navy,not knowing he would be deployed inland.On top of that he joined to gain a platform to attack his fellow troops.John Kerry is a dishonest scumbag,just like Barry Obama.
jimmmmybrady 1 year ago
lol the cavett intro is so 70s-ish
badskroy71 1 year ago
Oh...My....GOD. Kerry looks like Jaws from James Bond!1!
nikolosvalakis2 2 years ago
No was no such thing as North and South Vietnam.
That was an invention of the West, driven by stale misguided policies of the US and British. The creation of South Vietnam was a feeble attempt to manufacture a western foothold in mainland Asia, and the brutality of Diem and his dreaded secret police were machinations of arrogant policies of hegemony and domination which were bound to fail without support of the population.
This does not make the Communist leadership any less brutal, however.
indoctus41 2 years ago
Fuck the swift boat veterans
BreakingGlass77 2 years ago
I would like to see more fellow Americans give ourselves the benefit of the doubt when we get in war- the benefits of America's relatively consistent involvement in various wars/conflicts throughout the last century are actually plentiful. Who knows, though.
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
No Kerry did not win the debate, I think the lsd is affecting your perception.
snakeownerssuck 2 years ago
lol and the people who think this debate was about "winning" are stupid- there is undeniable evidence that Kerry's war medals were received through 2 self-inflicted wounds, and that he regularly lied about his 4-month tour in Vietnam.
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
I didn't mean to sound like I was arguing, if I did, snake. I just meant that simply attributing who won the debate doesn't resolve the issue, as some of the more leftist non-thinkers would be inclined to think.
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
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Where can I find this "undeniable evidence"?
cinemaman3105 2 years ago
a book called Unfit for Command which John O'Neill wrote, it factually cites instances of Kerry's falsities
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
Debates are pointless, discussions are worth something. O'neil calls him a little man, just how now the right were calling people against the war unpatriotic. They resort to name calling. Who wins is pointless it's the facts that matter. Someone can be pro killing children and beat the other guy in a debate, doesn't mean it's right though. In this case, people sided with Kerry because of the facts.
jay733 3 years ago
Perhaps calling names is bad, but people didn't side "with Kerry because of the facts." He actually lied many times about his military service and his so-called service. I can quote many for you and cite sources if you're ever interested. Did you know Kerry said that at most only up to 3 or 6 thousand South Vietnamese would need political asylum if the North came in after we left? The actual number the northern communists killed was much closer to 1 million.
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
This political ad about Kerry is misleading. I knew that he had won the election back in 2004, but that retard Bush ended up being the winner of that election as well. The electoral folks back in 2000 and 2004 were such jerks in declaring Bush the winner both times.
-Matt
Matto2t 3 years ago
I have no idea what video you fools were watching, but John Kerry schooled that fool John O'Neil.
O'Neil and his swiftboaters are the lowest of political scum.
stardogcafe 3 years ago
Love to see Kerry try to debate O'Neil again. He would loose again. big time.
Taffie4690 3 years ago
yeah democrats are always loose
mynie 3 years ago
republicans can't spell
timcopeland1 3 years ago
I am a Democrat, and I am not loose. No Democrat is loose, but a small number are.
-Matt
Matto2t 3 years ago
Kerry obviously won if you watched the entire thing. It's actually pretty widely known that Kerry won. In fact Nixon was greatly angered by this show and can even be heard on the watergate tapes discussing how they can "screw" Cavett. O'Neill didn't even seem to understand what the issues really were and spent most of the debate making irrelevant and false accusations including that Kerry was trying to speak for all veterans. He also got flustered and resorted to name calling several times.
ieatchickenwings 3 years ago
Auctually O'Neil won this debate in my opinion. Kerry seems to paint all veterans with the same brush, and doesn't seem to have facts on his side only his opinion that he himself tortured and killed the Vietnemese (sp?). Why wasn't he brought up on charges if this was the case? Kerry is a very smooth talker and he still is to this day.
Taffie4690 3 years ago
Yes, sure, but ieatchickenwings, I can quote facts for you regarding how many various lies, exaggerations, and outright frauds John Kerry has committed. Just ask the majority of his swift boat crew.
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
John O'neill is an American patriot. This debate came back to haunt Kerry, highlighting his fraudulent career, treasonous actions and bankrupt leftist ideology.
The current Democrat candidate is a Marxist with a razor-thin resume. The Democrats are even further to the left than the last time -- they've been hijacked by the extreme left, even further left than Kerry.
yeahlikewhatever 3 years ago
I wish!
ClassicShowbiz 3 years ago
God bless John O'Neil.
jimmmmybrady 3 years ago
Yes, because God is all about the killin'.
lactoseme 3 years ago
No,all about the truth.
jimmmmybrady 3 years ago