Daniel Negreanu's Small Ball Strategy

[Gmann6666]

wtf i watched this video to see the fucking outcome and it never came... FUCKER!!

[Seanyboyh]

this advice is definitely good but only for advanced players. You try and get a weak loose or calling station type player to fold an overpair by bluffing that river and you are burning money.

[Deimnos]

have you ever noticed that if you make a successful bluff, then show it, the rest of the game people will assume you are always bluffing? can be very usefull:)

[checkfoldcallraise]

lol at people who disagree with a multiple wsop bracelet winner like negreanu. i became a better player with better results over the years just watching and listening. i also have great people reading ability which is good because in order to learn to be a great player you have to sort of be good at it.

[ojideagu]

Err just becaue he's a bracelet winner does not mean everything he says is correct or the best strategy. Infact small ball has been shown to be merely a week version of a loose aggressive style with small bets. If small ball was so great it would have been adopted by a lot more players. That's why Daniel is being creamed at High stakes cash games by the better players.

[rigbst]

2 3's? lol why isnt it 3 3s! how about you guys stfu! lol

[AhDaaa]

its 17 outs..daniel is spot on.

9 clubs

3 fours

2 fives

3 threes

[TheCornedbeefhasable]

16 outs

[TheCornedbeefhasable]

actually there are only 16 outs

9 clubs

3 fours

2 fives

2 threes

[yistackness]

Does anyone else notice a mistake in the video? At 1:40 he mentions outs that can improve your hand on the river "3 threes, 2 fives, 3 FOURS, and 9 SPADES, equals 17 outs"... but there are 4 fours, and your outs are with clubs, not spades (unless your talking about phantom outs). So really, you have 18 outs. Comon Daniel, I expected better, lol (just kidding).

[baschtiii]

disagree. "4c" is a fd and a str8 out. i guess daniel knows how to count outs ;)

[goug40]

Your right about the mistake about the spades but there are only 17 outs. Your counting the 4 of clubs as two outs when it is only one..

[1classx]

A real big "go fuck your whore mother" to anyone on this stupid site who thinks they're qualified to critique/correct Daniel. Are you out of your stupid little mind you lousy worm? Daniel will kill you. Get your donk advice to yourself and your whore of a mother.

[miro108]

Hi David , interesting clip with Kid Poker. From which video is this from? Also from what he says, this strategy doesn't seem so easy in internet poker, right?

[linglings10]

thanks danny boy for telliing your donkey tails

[dial8675309]

great advice but i wouldnt recommend trying to bluff opponents who are pot committed that dont know how to click the fold button and are calling stations..these type of plays id recommend doing maybe 1/4 times or so and against tight players. You cant get predictable

[cardcoursecom]

this is a pretty good video when you play more advanced player. beginners shouldn't use this when they play low limits.

[whathehell]

all this has no sense if ur opponent has JJ or 88 , cause wt u think is good on the river become ur worst.. u just need to be lucky he does have other cards.

So ALL U HAVE TO DO IS LUCK

that's my opinion

[TheSilligirl]

Sad that not everyone's thinking your way. I would love to earn money on you.

[Deimnos]

Actually, that can work IF YOU READ YOUR OPPONENT RIGHT, i'm talking from personal experience. I once had an excellent night palying poker with friends and got into a hand you just described: i had flush and straight draw, but in the end, i did not get it. My only opponent that lasted to the river had trips from the turn, and very high trips. With the final big bet(i bet big throughout the hand), managed to make him fold:))

I won the pot then showed him my bluff:))

[Deimnos]

That is possible and i speak from experience from experience; Managed to bluff my opponent that had trips from the flop; had both straight and flush draw, but i didnt get it till the end, however i managed to bluff him into folding three of a kind:D

Showed him the bluff afterwards too:)

So if you can read an opponent, you can get away with a play like this, however, just as Daniel said, not always

[92roda92]

othis is great advise for online real money play. After watching this i went online using all his tricks and it really is that way. Thank you daniel

[foreverguga]

small ball poker belongs to the past, the future of online poker is to be agressive and to overbet.

I don't know what Negreanu has been smoking last season but he has been losing in live games as well as in online poker using that type of game

[lurgertor]

I actually like the smallball style and it might be my perferred style, small ball is about consistenly outplaying your opponents if he's loose aggrossove, I adapt to a more trappy style, which has a lot of similarities with smallball poker. Because both styles are more passive than the aggressove stye. Thus giving the opponent a chance to get his money in bad.

[skillsex]

i somehow disagree.. why bet lower amount of chips (9-12k) with the real flush (which is even less believable for your opponent because there was only 1 club at the turn) than when bluffing the flush with the spades (12-15k)..

[q8gooner]

genius

[tcuk]

Helmuth must be furious at this video. Why would you call a raise preflop with a 3 5 suited vs pocket Aces.

[outragedthrone]

soccer sucks balls i hate that sport they should sell the rites to me so i can take it and junk it :D and build poker stadiums and have huge poker games on it. worth over $85million dollors or more

[ojideagu]

Soccer sucks? You must be another ignorant American.

[swingdocta]

if ur playin against me, and i flopped a set, or a set on the turn it will never work. I will almost never ever fold a set

[mauricec87]

just 'coz your a donk?

[BenLucian89]

try finding poker players in belgium, they only like "soccer" here, losers

[JesterMclovin]

Bah c´mon, what is the problem with soccer? hehe I Love poker but Ims a huge fan of soccer too.... Well, its hard not be here in Brazil hehe

[habbomanish]

hikiii

[benniebmx]

@BenLucian89

do some research, for the tiny country we are, we do have loads of players ...

[davole]

Haha, not all :)

[2TheDeath]

this only works with good players. trying to bluff bad players is a road to ruin.

[OnePastMidnight]

ill drink to that. thing i hate most about home games is no one's good enough to fold. people tend to think pocket 8s are good on a board that shows KQ3 when someone raises preflop under the gun and someone else reraises in dealer position.

[tehjesusfingerz]

Exactly

[lurgertor]

Isn't that why you would love home games?

[90dickit]

@2TheDeath

The donk bluff you instantly

[Dyeballer610]

so true cause new players play the cards, not the players, if i new player is still in the hand after u bet the flop or turn hes got somethin

[Stevemasta3000]

yes,,, never try to bluff a maniac

and besides they could call you with low pairs and high cards, they can also call a preflop raise with undercards.

Even at a live cashgame, thats where I got hitted.

[Ayoudell]

I revisit this vid occasionally - this comment has 61 thumbs-ups now! No doubt trying these plays on players that can't put down top pair with top kicker or overpairs, even on a very draw-heavy board, is a bad idea(but of course Daniel stresses this in the vid) If they're holding stronger than one pair, fuggetaboutit ;-p

[sajato99]

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[vladimir0B]

WHAT WAS THE RIVER?!?!

nice strategy b.t.w.

[Slimcase85]

Is this from a DVD?

[IPxSxYxCxO]

i already know that and im 14

[slatur1]

fake

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[homeslice2387]

I want to be best poker player and win many monies, how can I win this

[slatur1]

dude i just went to subway, it was awesome

[morleyrox]

Learn English first.

[lookaguru]

Never bluff online. Just wait for big hands and get paid. EVERYONE thinks you are bluffing online. Seriously, how does one call a pot-sized river bet with 7-7 on a board of AKJJT ???

[benjaminjameskreger]

Waiting for monster hands will leave you broke by the blinds. Straight-flushes, full houses and quads alike don't usually make much money because people are afraid of nut flushes and trips beating their over pairs.

Making money online involves a combination of dodging bullets, making bluffs and betting your good hands just enough to be called. If you only play your best hands out fully and are called every time, your opponents are donks and you won't be making much money at micros anyways.

[abovefilms]

great advice!

[Fahnestock]

play better players{higher levels). Most of the best players in the world are online players anyways.

[shiraq07]

dont play like this. Maybe live you have a chance, where players take alot of their time thinking on what hand u might have. Online u'll be crushed. Just dont bluff. and another thing, if the opponent has a Big pocket pair, u know he will be very agressive, betting alot if he doesent hit his set on the flop. And another thing, if someone makes a big raise preflop because he as a big pocket pair and u call everytime with ur 53 suited, ur a donk. Good night everyone.

[lurgertor]

I find this rather offensive, as an online player, especially since I've found myself to be a better player than many live players. And the call with 53suited is done for implied odds and that you'll have position for the rest of the hand.

[airrick]

thats great , but its mostly for pros that play, on low limit online dont try it lol

[jparkfosho]

lol

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[evesgardenofsins]

@ 1:45 he says 9 spades which is a mistake because you have 3 5 of clubs and a spade would not make you a flush. yes you could represent the spade flush but you are not looking to hit a spade. you are looking to hit the backdoor flush. @ 3:15 he says club.

[1nv1nceble]

Isn't that the whole point of the vid? You ARE looking to hit a spade

[jikke96]

that's what just means the bluff outs , if you hit a club , you ain't bluffing cause then you got the flush , but seeing 2 spades where already on the flop , you might be going for that spade flush , wich comes at the river

[robertobarlos]

it was kind of obvious that he meant club.

[pitchen222]

i saw this first! you cant play like that only i can :)

[hugeboofhead]

Excellent tips

[popeye135]

this strategy will make most player go broke specially those who play lower stakes. U can't apply this to a caller station,,,bluffing 12 000 on the river is too much and if u get called ur probably out the tournament,,,,or if its cash game u will probably lose a lot of money. I dont like this strategy, if I can call it a strategy.

[Fahnestock]

its not meant for microstakes, hell his subscription for his site is probably double a micro's bankroll.

[AcidDaBomb]

Small ball works, I never use it at the start of a game though. I use it later on in game where I know how the people play. I once took myself from small stack to chip leader in 11 wins by using bluffs/small ball.

[Ph4nToM890]

I don't really do it live but online i've been successful doing it. I just sit back for a while and wait till a few player are out then i start playing small ball. Works out fine in SnG.

[evantrinh]

good strategy however it may work against you as well. A good player knows that no cards are safe.

[smilezdavis]

Great strategy but might not work against most players playing low stakes because they think more of their hole cards and not what you are representing with your bets.

[ericsbuds]

wow, negreanu is freakin a genius when it comes to poker.

[popeye135]

when he speaks about poker,,but when it comes to play he sucks....and btw he constantly say NL holdem is the most boring game of poker.

[ericsbuds]

i never mentioned no limit or holdem

[andrianid]

This is a perfect example of a good tip that could be devastating to a noob. Daniel's advice is good but heed DANIEL'S warnings. Should a scare-card fall the river bet MUST be the appropriate size and you should NEVER risk ALL your chips without the nuts. Be very careful noobs.

[Livenderrr]

plus, if u are noob poker player u prolly play vs other noob players and they prolly dont even realize the river is a scare card, they might be all like: LOL I haz tha top pair !11!!1

[Violincrazy]

haha yeh top pair is the NUTS!!! I saw a donk hit a royal flush at the casino this wkend and he dint even know what it was called. I got some free champagne because of it tho!

[StealthSteez]

"Never risk all your chips without the nuts?" wow i want to play a NL short handed tourney with you lol

[TheSmok3]

u r missing the point. in no limit texas hold em there are different strategies who works for cash and others for sng. I am stronger believer in small ball is very effective in sng. Check out the movie that Negreanu did with Eric and u ll understand what i m saying. For cash i wouldn t try it unless i can read my opponent as an open book.

[jpjames1]

Its good to get tips but u only really learn through experiance

[Ayoudell]

Some good points made here by commentors - This is a VERY advanced strategy, and you must KNOW your opponent can lay down AT LEAST an overpair(which very few players at low stakes can do) if they are holding anything better than that, YOU'RE CALLED. GUARANTEED. Great comment, Gewoondaan. Your read must be HIGHLY ACCURATE on a TIGHT/SOLID opponent. Loose opponents WILL NOT fold to this play very often-it should only be attempted on a solid player that is capable of making a tough laydown.

[andrianid]

Let's keep in mind the WHOLE scenario. Even in a $1.00 tourn you're playing with 45K each; credit the player for having made it that far. There was 18K in the pot. He recommends bluffing with a bet that's between 6-12K. Worst case scenario is he calls and you lose. Or he raises and you fold. You're down to 20 - 26K and need to make a comeback.

[vpwjd2222]

what if the player with the high pair would make a bet of 7000-9000 on the river what will be your next move any1?

[GewoonDaan]

Does he mention your opponent might have pocket jacks or high suited spades? This might cause you to lose quite a bit on the examples where you hit trips or a spade comes up. In these cases either your read must be telepathic or your stack high enoug to pull dangerous stunts like this.

[lifeiswonderful22]

this is an extremely advanced strategy and is not effective against weak players, only people who have a seat in wsop should be studying this

[madridisinSpain]

lol are you kidding? This works in NL$25 or NL$50

[fd9w4dncm]

Yes, but this won't work in low stakes.

[lurgertor]

It could, but you're opponent must also be a strong player, believe it or not there are some strong players in the micros, not many, but some.

[badpanda84]

Agreed,

You know how hard it is to get someone to lay down top pair in a low buy-in sit and go

[Kwinten1988]

true, but they will call with weak kickers and are affraid of big bets when they don't have at least top pair, here you can make the difference:)

[4JayeP]

Top pair? Ummmm. I've had tons of people call with middle and bottom pair with a 4 to a flush or a 4 to a straight on the board. Sometimes I think playing basic ABC poker is the way to go in micro/small buy-in games. I think in Doyle's book he mentions that.

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[paulio2293]

no shit, u want to be using this against some dumb shit whos only playing AA and KK and grossly overvalues then post-flop. IF your using this against a player of equal quality who also capable of playing suited connectors and has the hand your representing well.. your f'cked lol

[valerycastro123456]

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[IIhollyw00dII]

i still dont understand how some people cant count odds even someone as smart as daniel when you say you can inprove ur hand with three three's four four's and nine spades on of those threes and fours is a fucking spade u have to subtract that u dont have 17 outs man holy....love ur small ball poker tho man ur awesome

[forboon44]

13 spades minus 3 ,4 of spades and the 2 spades on the board equals......nine left ;) turns out daniel does know how to do pot odds.

[infinitus23]

Spades cannot be counted as outs, because he's talking about improving the hand _without_ including bluff outs at THAT point.

3 Threes + 2 Fives + 3 Fours (excluding the club four), + 9 _CLUBS_ (including the club four, excluding the 4 clubs out already). = 17 outs.

[forboon44]

yes i meant clubs

[PokerAU]

Love this strategy. Works like a gem. Especially with my new $10 to $1000 project I have begun.

Check it out in my vids if you want.

[connectlogic]

good advice at high levels but cant see weak players folding..its harder to bluff bad players.

[ava0000]

so true

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[fabiusbac]

in italianooo traducetelo per favoreee:(

[Randy1337]

Ok, i have enough of that!!!I`M ALL IN!!!

[Luis0J]

lol

[Randy1337]

Hehe, i`m happy i made you laugh :D

[karleinararne]

This is really some advanced and good stuff to know!

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[dietrich1529]

In real life, spade hits player one checks, you bluff your ass off like 14k or something, player one calls your ass because in reality only like 2% of players can fold aces, bluff blows up in your face and now you are down to like 20k and on complete tilt. Thanks for the advice Daniel!

[Rolome]

"being able to read your oppenent and understand their tendencies is a big part of using bluff outs"

In other words if its the sort of player who wont fold aces then you dont work out bluff outs you play your straight up draws. But then again i suppose your the sort of player who would call with the Aces on a flush board.

[dietrich1529]

You are right, you should definitely fold aces every time a scare card comes. People definitely don't float in poker, nor do they ever rep the flush when they don't have it. 

All I am saying is this play will rarely get players at the lower level to fold aces.

I love how you criticize me and you have never played me, big talk. Look me up on pokerstars, Heads up anytime, miked976 i'm a platinum star

Try this play at any level below 3-6 nl and see how often aces fold, 1 in 10 maybe.

[Rolome]

and i love how u missed my point completely. if you think your opponent will not fold the hand dont bluff at it, is what he pretty much says at the start.

[dietrich1529]

I didn't miss your point. If you have actually found the one in 100 that can fold them here at low stakes congrats.

Daniel leaves out one HUGE thing too, what is your own image, you can't make this play if you have been active or shown weak hands.. If I had the aces here, I would never havebet 2x the pot. But if the chaser I view as a loose/bluffer I probably will call.

This play is great at a very high level of play against good players, not great for low stakes. My guess, works 1in10

[MagikoMyko]

Wow you really didn't watch this video carefully, did you?

"As is the case with all the other various scenarios, the amount you should ultimately choose should depend on your opponent and his perception of you. Also, past hands that he's witnessed you play"

I'm not arguing that it's hard to find a low-stakes opponent who will fold aces on the end, but your arguments are pretty inconsistent with what daniel actually said in the video and you really look pretty silly.

[Rolome]

am i the only person who noticed he said 9 spades as true outs when your looking for a club flush??

[MagicandMovieCritic]

if you're bluffing the spade flush... a+

[Rolome]

odds of inproving your hand blah blah blah and nine spades. but that doesnt improve your hand

[MagicandMovieCritic]

improves your ability to bluff though

[rico305305]

genius! can i suck your dick daniel, i promise im not gay!

[vileclownproductions]

???

[sRspuma]

wtf?

[davidmillar1990]

Negreanu #1

[fatman1997cw]

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[rico305305]

i'll lend you some money

just message me your credit card number and expiry (just so i know it is your card) and i'll forward you a 100 bucks

[mallon42]

lol are you kidding me, I imagine people only want to bankroll a player that is good and typically players that are good don't need to be bankrolled, losers do....

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[mellowman07]

... right editing peoples spelling when every 2nd post is full of grammar and spelling mistakes

he's a geneyuss bro

no but seriously go watch a bunch of daniels vids playing high stakes and tournaments some of his reads are awesome

[mellowman07]

cant see many people disagreeing

Daniel is a poker genious , he obviously knows that plays like these dont work on donks or calling stations but he probably just forgot to mention it

Im a big fan of daniel , I watch a lot of televised poker and ive never seen ANYONE makes as many good reads as him

[gaud123]

genious?

[zelarian]

Well the idea of small ball is to deceive your hand but mostly to conserve chips in the long run, that and you are 'setting' the price to everyone else at the table, if they re-raise over the top or three bet you, you can fold comfortably thinking you saved a little chips. It's an advanced strategy because often you WILL get called but your goal is to score a made hand and you need to know when you're beat and not go running after the turn and river.

[mcscheijgrond79]

a display of his genius t daniel

[orionbrooksclardy]

LOL Bruins. What a tool, WOULDN'T you say?! By the way, homeboy WAS right though. You wouild NEVER try this shit at your local home game!! This is a big-boy play, only. Remember that. Only a decent opponent has the discipline to lay the best hand down. Noobs just can't seem to get away from marginal-ass hands.

[skarules111]

i was just about to post a comment on this lol. i would NEVER count my bluff outs at lower limits unless i knew he was a very profitable player. chances are in that senario if he has queens or better all bluffs will fail.

[wehavemagnums]

Great stuff

[b6nigger]

NIGGERS ARE BLACK!!! YOU FOOLS

[rispy999]

Ok I'm confused doesn't the oppponent shown here act first? If so and he puts out a bet again around 7-12ooo do you re-raise that amount on a bluff or is that only if he checks it?

[angelol1]

you re raise

[simonjeste]

Daniel mentioned a CONSERVATIVE player, whose early big bet screams "overpair" -- therefore any of the "scare" cards on the river would be CHECKED by his mere one-pair (not everyone is aggro enough to keep betting one pair when obvious draws hit on the river).

[Ferna900617]

nice free tips, good job!

[johndeerishere]

That's an interesting concept-bluffing outs.

I would'nt make that play though against bad plays though. Some players will call with a big pair no matter what shows on the board.

Against a good player who I'm sure has big pair though, I think this could be a good play with the right board and a draw of some type.

[johndeerishere]

I meant I would'nt make tis play against bad players, but.....

[johndeerishere]

I meant would'nt this play......

[Bruinsma1987]

Congratulations. You just succeeded in typing a sentence three times and misspelling it at every attempt.

[00711]

"Phantom Outs"

[raceway67]

Thanks Daniel

[GaeasBlessing]

This is pretty good advice, especially the suggested bet sizes for specific hands.

[akajohn14]

20/30% at the river when knowing that your opponent has an overpare is the right bet to make.

[narehs1]

omg i have no clue what hes talking abuot. im only 12 so whatever

[kratsjovic]

Very good tips, Thank you!

[secretbonus]

That's great... personally I've come across this in a sense. I never knew they had a term for this... I called them "phantom outs"

[plzwakeup]

allinrizzo is right, if theres a winner there must be a loser

[GeneYuss3]

That is not what allinrizzo is saying..allinrizzo is saying poker is only luck but hes a dumbass.

[Green6911]

allinrizzo its people like you that help me make a nice side income by playing poker, you stupid dumb weak minded fuck.

[stl567]

allinrizzo...you have no idea what ur talking about. Poker is not all luck dumbass

[allinrizzo]

Poker is where degenerates can gather throw there money in the middle and try to get lucky. Poker is the only place where lowlifes and scum can get together and act like they are important. Poker has lots of dirty little secrets that nobody wants to mention. There is cheating collusion, not to mention all the money that is lost due to the fact that must of the people that work in the poker industry are incompetent or just plan crooked.

[Nashtak5000]

So lemme guess? You lost some of your money playing poker?

[kstalt]

You're probably mad that you lost some money, because why else would you pop onto a poker video and post such a degrading comment towards other players! See this is why I win at poker and why you're so grumpy in the pants right now, and If you're wondering why that comment makes sense. I'm reading you, not just your comment. Now I'm sure some comment will come back to me which will be a bluff saying "Nuh uh" to be kept to the point. Sorry buddy... Tagged you!

[allinrizzo]

Your right I am mad, but not because I lost money. I am a winning player and I make a good living playing poker. It is a shame that the poker industry is corrupt and run by criminals

[oceanflame2008]

he is wrong if you are behind on the turn you will save money by reraising the miniumim to find out where your at, overpair has to reraise you. negranues strategy of just calling on the flop is mathematicaly wrong also ot opens up the door for our openeent to smell weakness and bluff later on with somin like AK. If he has ace king it is mathematicaly correct for him to make a bluff as he is a 20% ish to hit hisovercards after the flop

[GeneYuss3]

If opponent bets 7k into a 3k pot than he is not going to fold to a min raise.

[moedanglez]

overpair doesnt have to reraise you on the turn, its a really scary board...reraising with an overpair is donk there...min raising the turn puts a scare into your opponent and if you follow through on the river it makes your hand look even stronger rather than just calling

[r3ddrag0nx]

the minraise on turn is a strategy i use in lower stakes and sometimes that gets looked up. the flop call is not mathematically wrong, because his true outs are the 5s, and straight outs. if AK bluffs into you on the river, you can readjust if u have the right read.

[superdave31]

i like negreanu - but i erally think all good players are aware to this tactic and it then developes into all ins (as people know they are being 'small balled' and so just re raise...)

[foreverguga]

thanks for uploading, great video

[GeneYuss3]

No problem:) More videos to come so subscribe if you like:)

[defiantfilms]

Why not make your own videos instead?

[GeneYuss3]

I'll have some up soon