The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it. Joseph Smith
A Canadian, William Law joined the Church in 1836 and moved to Nauvoo in 1839. After having lived near Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, William wrote to a friend:
I have carefully watched his movements since I have been here, and I assure you I have found him honest and honourable in all our transactions which have been very considerable. I believe he is an honest upright man, and as to his follies let who ever is guiltless throw the first stone at him, I shant do it.
“I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope.” Joseph Smith Jr.
“I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved.”
A Canadian, William Law joined the Church in 1836 and moved to Nauvoo in 1839. After having lived near Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, William wrote to a friend:
I have carefully watched his movements since I have been here, and I assure you I have found him honest and honourable in all our transactions which have been very considerable. I believe he is an honest upright man, and as to his follies let who ever is guiltless throw the first stone at him, I shant do it.
@thermionic1234567 What a backward thinker you are. Joseph Smiths Brother Hyram is Killed, John Taylor Wounded by 150 armed thugs, his life threatened and then taken and you side with the Mob.
Joseph Smith died innocent of any crime, arrested 48 times and not a conviction.
Your mob had its opprtunity to prove themselves in court and they could not.
Poor Governor Lillburn Boggs grave is bare to this day in dust just as the Prophet said it would be.
@scottwins2I was born 120 years after Smith's death and do not "side" with the mob today. JS made a prophetic statement before going to Carthage Jail that he "was being led like a lamb to the slaughter." To most, it sounds like he was drawing a parrallel with Christ. Christ did not kill two people before His execution and he told Peter to lay down his sword in the Garden of Gethsemene.
Shaun is, I believe, mildly retarded. I have never heard an original coherant thought from his mouth. He states "Look at the facts.." yet never provides any. He is rehashing the same, already addressed arguments which have been recycled over amd over again for decades. He now makes a living as a compensated minister of his own doctrine.
While I believe that Joseph Smith was a false prophet, I wouldn't use Hebrews 1:1,2 as an argument that the sending of God's son put the end to prophets. After all, Paul himself was called to be a prophet after Jesus ascended to heaven. Likewise with Luke, and John the Revelator who wrote the book of Revelation about 95 A.D.! Paul counsels us to test the prophets and prove all things, and numerous passages tell us that God would send us prophets in the Church. So we need to be careful.
I think we all a Christians have unrealistic expectations of God's chosen. They all sinned and didn't float on air. If you lived at the time of Paul it would probably have been easy to doubt his "vision" or that he was called of God.
@L4M4N1T3 then you are the fool for believing that joseph smith is a "prophet" a man who was hated by many for being a scammer. (glass looker) why did smith carry a gun and shot 3 people when he was in jail? LOL.. and why was he in jail? because he was teaching about god?? yeah right.... he was hated by many because he was trying to bang every girl in town. hey, where is star/planet KOLOB? hahaha im sure you dont know. all you mormons are clueless!
@L4M4N1T3 everything he says (shawn) it's true. i didn't believe him at first and then i looked stuff up and there it was! tell me how you think he is lying? you sound like if the mormons have the gold plates in their hands. that is a ridiculous fairy tale!! LOL you know very well that your "church" has ZERO proof of anything your book of garbage talks about!! not even 1 small chunk of evidence. mormonism is false!
I don't understand why anyone would feel the need to post videos bashing ANY religion. If you disagree keep it to yourself, it makes you look so dumb preaching christianity while talking bad about other people. Iff you're going to preach the truth of the bible you might want to look up the verses about the evils of what you're doing and focus less on everyone else. In the end, you will be the one answering to God. Telling him how you've shown hate and disrespect at his children.
How could you possibly know the characteristics of Joseph Smith? Your "facts" are nothing more than more hatred aimed at the church. If you don't believe him, then just move on. Get a life other than making videos on anti-mormonism. It really is kind of sad...
@busterbean1997 Sorry but JS started this all with his extremely-intemperate remarks about the Christianity of the first half of the nineteenth century.
@buddatheone You made a statement about Joseph Smith with no evidence. You have accused a man without any facts whatsoever. Why didn't you say Governor Lillburn Boggs was a killer. Appears he gets a free ride. Moses didn't see god either, right?
@buddatheone You make a statement with no facts, you accuse will no facts. Have you put The Book of Mormon to the test? or do you stand with the Mob? Intersting you never complain about Gov. Lilburn Boggs, never a word.
@awolLDSasap We praise Joseph Smith in the classical sense of the word meaning appreciate, just like the word "terrible" in classical sense means "terror-ful", not awful. We don't worship the Church, unless the Church is Christ.
@masterskyrunner Be honest. "All" meetings lead towards the deeds, goodness and obedience of men. Almost everything that comes from the pulpit and choir refers to the qualities of men and how they can become perfect. Worship to glorify and praise God is limited. God is found within prayer and Jesus is occasionally talked about. God is by NO means the focus of lds worship. There will be no other gods before Him. Manworship is not good.
@awolLDSasap Considering that Jesus commanded that we be perfect like our Father in Heaven. I mean we praise and glorify Christ, but is that all he expects of us, we have three hours of church, sure it isn't all glory of God, but we are learning His will, in that sense we are projecting our faith by learning what He expects.
@masterskyrunner We reject the prophet of satan joseph smith like we reject satan as well.. God wants NOTHING to do with your blasphemous satanic mormon cult.. its full of lies,deceit and trickery
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Shawn neglects to mention the fact that even prophets in the Bible made prophecies that did not come to pass or were Conditional, and that even in the New Testament Church there continued to be prophets and apostles, and that the Church was built upon such a foundation of prophets and apostles, Christ himself being the cornerstone.
Joseph Smith died testifying of a living and real Savior, and that His Church and Kingdom was again established on the earth.
@WarriorPriest28 I am a so called Mormon and don't dicredit anything in the Bible. What is it you refer too? I see more hate here from the Non Moromn critics than any Mormon i know.
@thermionic1234567 Again you offer no facts and your claims are wrong. I am a practicing Mormon and do not reject Biblical truths. You don't now who I am or anything about me.
Actually your views of Montheism came from your Prophett Plato, he is the philosopher that created your "One God" "The Devine" carried through and too The New Testament.
Polytheism is supported very well in The Bible Christ spoke of his Father and prayed to him, I would not worship a God who prayed to himself.
@scottwins2 I do not need to know anything about you as a person to discuss Mormonism and Christianity and Plato plays no role in Christianity at all. You are deliberately distorting the Christian teaching of the Trinity, substituting God-The-Son with Jesus, spirit brother of you, me, Satan and the angels.
@scottwins2 I understand your fear and anxiety as the Mormon church crumbles. This is normal when a person's world begins to collapse. Meditate on the Kinderhook Plates and the Book of Abraham. Think about the elephants and horses mentioned in the BoM. Ask yourself why Cummorah has not been excavated. Then ask yourself "Where is Zerahimla?" Think about the LDS allegation regarding the accuracy of the Bible stating it was not properly translated. And then think about Qumran.
@scottwins2 Your faith may be growing, but Mormonism is collapsing. The Book of Abraham has been proven totally false and American Indians have no Hebrew genes whatsoever.
@scottwins2 You are a hopeless stalwart. Get ready for Thomas S. Monson to make radical changes as the facts are coming out faster and faster. Your "prophet" will leave you behind to join with the "pure guys" in southwest Utah. You will be calling Monson an apostate in a few years' time.
@scottwins2 "Majical Gods I don't worship. Only those who follow Prophet Plato." You mean, you worship "gods", who were once a man like you? Is that it? Gee, I wonder where that came from, because its nowhere in the bible. Maybe God got it wrong? Maybe he had to send Joseph Smith, to say what He forgot to say 2000 years ago?
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we believe in god that he chose joseph smith to be a prophet and joseph smith is a real prophet actually come in our church and you will find out the truth
Christians TESTIFY of the Glory & Majesty of the Risen Savior not of a DEAD Founder!
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised FABLES, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of HIS MAJESTY.
I'm not going to get in a spitting contest with you on whose church is right. I was only pointing out the flaw in your argument that it was impossible for JS to write the book on his own. I think it was entirely possible, that is all. I personally do not understand the structure of your church either, but I'd rather not fight over it.
i dont mean to fight or to sound like i am fighting. i honestly want to know why you have a pope and how a pope is different or similar to a prophet. i dont mean to say that mine is right and yours is wrong. i would just like to better understand from someone who knows instead of reading it from someone who could by lying to make their church sound better. so if you would please tell me, i would like to know and understand.
Our Church's structure was handed down directly from Christ, including the priests, an unbroken line. The bishops are the apostles, since the apostles became bishops. Peter was the leader of the Apostles, and handed that position down as what we today call Pope, but that wasn't always the title (he's just a bishop actually).
What the first Christians did, we do today. The sabbath celebration is the same. We have early documents which show this (St. Justin Martyr, listed in the Catechism )
Doesn't the bible name a prophet after the death of Christ? And he just said that all prophets and revelation to man ended with Christ...that doesn't work. God is the same today, yesterday and forever. If God calls prophets in the bible...wouldn't He call prophets today?
How does a 14 year old boy, translate a book of doctrine (book of mormon) in less than 3 months when it took, scholars and scribes decades (possibly centuries) to compile and translate the Bible?
You are funny tho, but ur theories are obviously all wrong!
dude, dont even try, these guys are set out in spite of us. nothing you can say will change their mind, or lack thereof. and btw he was much older than 14 when he actually translated
The burden of Proof is not on us/Mormon critics! It is on YOU MORmONS. The fact that you dont understand that shows your fundamental ignorance.
The timeframe for the compilation of the Book of MORmON is entirely based on accounts of SMith & vested cohorts to the fraud, there is no outside independent witness to the event. so any time frame is based solely in unverifiable LDS claims & one thing that LDS have proved is that they LIE.& they can not stop.
dude, he was 21 when he supposedly received the gold plates for translation. research before you make claims.
As to your challenge, if you assume he wasn't translating but creating, it's not that difficult to write a lot in a small amount of time, especially when you consider how large a portion is copied from Isaiah or the Gospel of Matthew or other books from the Bible. And, if you consider he could have had help from Oliver Cowdery, etc then it's even easier.
Please tell me how a man with very little schooling could write something like the Book Of Mormon without the help of our Heavenly Father. If indeed he wrote it without help he would be the greatest author to have ever walked the Earth. You would know what I am talking about if you yourself have read the Book of Mormon.
and tell me why would Jesus Christ bestow a Priesthood on the 12 Apostles for it to only die with them? Why cant it be on Earth again with a prophet who receives revelation?
I HAVE read it cover to cover, along with the D&C and PoGP. As an English Literature major, I am not impressed. I'd never call him one of the greatest authors ever. It doesn't compare to works like the Chronicles of Narnia or LOTR, or The Inferno, or numerous other works I've read. As to schooling, Muhammed was practically illiterate, and he wrote the Quran on his own.
As for the priesthood, while lds believe it's "dead", I believe it's alive & well in the Catholic & Orthodox churches.
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deu. 18:22
@sfaster Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said to them, An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: You who are sign seekers will never find one. How many times did the Pharisees & Sadducees say show us a sign that we may see and believe. Will ye reject Jesus as in times of old. Put away your pride and come unto Christ. For he is the only way for us to be saved.John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
@sfaster And the Holicost never happened,right? There were witnesses to the experiences Joseph Smith had. David Whitmer, Martin Harris, Oliver Cowdery to name three. I could list eigth more if you like. In fact hundreds. What history books do you read anyway. Why Governeor Lillburn Boggs made a nice record of it, he created Extermination Order 42.
@sfaster Read the Book of Mormon apply its principles and you would probably be not as filled with as much hate as you are. I guess Moses and him getting the 10 comandments on Mount Sinai was fraud too? don't think so.
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I just became a brand new member yesterday! After being away from the Church for 20 years.. I found my way back. I removed my name 20 years ago.. and it took almost a year just to be a member again. It will take another year to be fully restored.
You should take a peek at some of the OT prophets who made prophecies that did not happen. If Joseph was a false prophet.. he couldn't have made one right... but did you count all the ones he did? You try it!
He got the ENTIRE translation of the Book of Abraham wrong.....and he was supposed to be a seer and revelator? He wrote the Book of Mormon in 17th century old english yet he lived in 19th century America...... this doesn't make any sense.
The big contradition is does God change His mind or teaching? If not, how do you explain 2 Nephi 5:20-24 where it describes the black color or skin as being a curse?
@fbass40 - Jonah - An example is found in the story of Jonah, who was told by God to prophecy to the people of Nineveh. Jonah prophesied that the people would be destroyed in 40 days (Jonah 3:4)—no loopholes were offered, just imminent doom. God changed things, however, when the people repented and He chose to spare them—much to the chagrin of that imperfect (yet still divinely called) prophet, Jonah.
@THELDSLIFE God never told Jonah to prophecy to the people of Nineveh that they will be destroyed in 40 days.
God said,"Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it ( or "preach against it" in the NIV ) ; for their wickedness is come up before me."
And about Jonah's anger, he was anger cause he knew that God was gonna show mercy to the people of Nineveh,so there was no reason for him to leave home...according to Jonah that is ( Jonah 4)
@rune123jm1 - there are various prophesies, as mentioned in Deut 18:22 that could disqualify many prophets from the Old Testament; including an Angel of the Lord for making false predictions. Jonah is not the only one who predicted that a city would be destroyed and it would not. If you can accept the difference between conditional prophecies and actual looming prophecies which will come to pass or things which are inevitable, then it wouldn't be as hard to accept modern prophecy.
Chapter 4 - Jonah is displeased with the Lord for his mercy upon the people—The Lord rebukes him.
Why would a prophet be PISSED that God decided NOT to destroy the people? Did he have prejudice against them? Did he feel jaded that his own prophecy did not come to pass? Or is GOD more merciful than what Jonah had suggested. Either way, prophets in the OT were NOT perfect men. They were just as subjected to imperfections as modern prophets would ...
@THELDSLIFE Everyone that ever lived besides Jesus was imperfect, that's not whats in question here.
Joseph Smith was a false prophet. Jonah's prophecy did come true. The Hebrew word haphak is used about 90 times in the Old Testament, that is the same word used for "destroyed" in the book of Jonah. That word is most often translated into English as "turn," or "turned," or "transformed," or "changed," or "turned away," or "turned from" in the Old Testament.
When I was a Mormon and the first time I heard that Joseph Smith made false prophecies, I wanted to know what this was and investigated this more, but when I try to share this fact with others in the Church, they just accuse me of being a Mormon hater and they will not acknowledge that Joseph Smith made false prophecies. YOu would think anyone would want to know this information but I see that sticking their head in the sand is a place where they want to be. Very, very sad.
Do what I did and leave, and you will soon find the only friend you ever had to begin with was Jesus Christ himself. That fear is real but my fear of the lord and his word means more to me.
there is no reason to think that you would be betraying a friend, if they walk out on you because you have found truth in jesus christ then they were no friend and definately not a christian...do you see the fear that they put into your heart?
Or you could just leave without using any excuses. You don't have to sign up for another belief system just to leave Mormonism. Not saying you shouldn't, but I just think you shouldn't feel obligated to believe something else only because you stopped believing Mormonism.
The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it. Joseph Smith
scottwins2 3 days ago
A Canadian, William Law joined the Church in 1836 and moved to Nauvoo in 1839. After having lived near Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, William wrote to a friend:
I have carefully watched his movements since I have been here, and I assure you I have found him honest and honourable in all our transactions which have been very considerable. I believe he is an honest upright man, and as to his follies let who ever is guiltless throw the first stone at him, I shant do it.
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“I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope.” Joseph Smith Jr.
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“I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved.”
Joseph Smith
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scottwins2 5 days ago
A Canadian, William Law joined the Church in 1836 and moved to Nauvoo in 1839. After having lived near Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, William wrote to a friend:
I have carefully watched his movements since I have been here, and I assure you I have found him honest and honourable in all our transactions which have been very considerable. I believe he is an honest upright man, and as to his follies let who ever is guiltless throw the first stone at him, I shant do it.
scottwins2 5 days ago
Joseph Smith was a great man, Prophet, Mayor, General. With witnesses to his experiences.
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2 JS was a teacher of a false gospel and I hope he repented after killing the two men in Carthage in 1844.
thermionic1234567 3 days ago
@thermionic1234567 What a backward thinker you are. Joseph Smiths Brother Hyram is Killed, John Taylor Wounded by 150 armed thugs, his life threatened and then taken and you side with the Mob.
Joseph Smith died innocent of any crime, arrested 48 times and not a conviction.
Your mob had its opprtunity to prove themselves in court and they could not.
Poor Governor Lillburn Boggs grave is bare to this day in dust just as the Prophet said it would be.
scottwins2 3 days ago
@scottwins2I was born 120 years after Smith's death and do not "side" with the mob today. JS made a prophetic statement before going to Carthage Jail that he "was being led like a lamb to the slaughter." To most, it sounds like he was drawing a parrallel with Christ. Christ did not kill two people before His execution and he told Peter to lay down his sword in the Garden of Gethsemene.
thermionic1234567 3 days ago
@MormonFacts1 Very Christ like of you, with your attitude of the LDS church i sure wouldn't follow you.
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2 Could you please have someone proof read this sentence as I do not understand it.
thermionic1234567 3 days ago
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TheSoulamore 3 months ago
Shaun is, I believe, mildly retarded. I have never heard an original coherant thought from his mouth. He states "Look at the facts.." yet never provides any. He is rehashing the same, already addressed arguments which have been recycled over amd over again for decades. He now makes a living as a compensated minister of his own doctrine.
thepunisher1129 3 months ago
@thepunisher1129 true.
dorisfenella 2 months ago
While I believe that Joseph Smith was a false prophet, I wouldn't use Hebrews 1:1,2 as an argument that the sending of God's son put the end to prophets. After all, Paul himself was called to be a prophet after Jesus ascended to heaven. Likewise with Luke, and John the Revelator who wrote the book of Revelation about 95 A.D.! Paul counsels us to test the prophets and prove all things, and numerous passages tell us that God would send us prophets in the Church. So we need to be careful.
Lysimachus78 5 months ago
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Lysimachus78 5 months ago
@MormonFacts1 I love you
IamExExmormon 6 months ago
@MormonFacts1 Mormon...facts... sheer irony at work. NICE NAME!!!
amyleoness 6 months ago
Yuck!! so much truth.. LOL
Chinaculiacan 6 months ago
I think we all a Christians have unrealistic expectations of God's chosen. They all sinned and didn't float on air. If you lived at the time of Paul it would probably have been easy to doubt his "vision" or that he was called of God.
trencher7 6 months ago
So you jumped out of Mormonism into Christianity? Same side of the same coin.
DefendingMormomism 7 months ago
@DefendingMormomism Sadly, I agree.
amyleoness 6 months ago
yuck so much hate!
dorisfenella 7 months ago
@L4M4N1T3 "it is impossible to make excuses for the restored gospel"
hahahahahahah restored what? hahahah you go say this to the FLDS to see what they think of you lds!!
MORMONS = MASTERS OF EXCUSES
MALDITTOROKKERO 8 months ago
@L4M4N1T3 then you are the fool for believing that joseph smith is a "prophet" a man who was hated by many for being a scammer. (glass looker) why did smith carry a gun and shot 3 people when he was in jail? LOL.. and why was he in jail? because he was teaching about god?? yeah right.... he was hated by many because he was trying to bang every girl in town. hey, where is star/planet KOLOB? hahaha im sure you dont know. all you mormons are clueless!
MORMONS = MASTERS OF EXCUSES
MALDITTOROKKERO 8 months ago
@MALDITTOROKKERO I love you
IamExExmormon 7 months ago
@IamExExmormon I am an ExMormon too. Better life for me, for SURE.
amyleoness 6 months ago
@amyleoness You should go back to the Mormon church
IamExExmormon 6 months ago
@L4M4N1T3 everything he says (shawn) it's true. i didn't believe him at first and then i looked stuff up and there it was! tell me how you think he is lying? you sound like if the mormons have the gold plates in their hands. that is a ridiculous fairy tale!! LOL you know very well that your "church" has ZERO proof of anything your book of garbage talks about!! not even 1 small chunk of evidence. mormonism is false!
MORMONS = MASTERS OF EXCUSES
MALDITTOROKKERO 8 months ago
I don't understand why anyone would feel the need to post videos bashing ANY religion. If you disagree keep it to yourself, it makes you look so dumb preaching christianity while talking bad about other people. Iff you're going to preach the truth of the bible you might want to look up the verses about the evils of what you're doing and focus less on everyone else. In the end, you will be the one answering to God. Telling him how you've shown hate and disrespect at his children.
LiniLovez 8 months ago
How could you possibly know the characteristics of Joseph Smith? Your "facts" are nothing more than more hatred aimed at the church. If you don't believe him, then just move on. Get a life other than making videos on anti-mormonism. It really is kind of sad...
busterbean1997 8 months ago
@busterbean1997 Sorry but JS started this all with his extremely-intemperate remarks about the Christianity of the first half of the nineteenth century.
thermionic1234567 3 days ago
Reject Joseph Smith???!!! I'll reject MORONS like you!!!
broncofan57 8 months ago
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Reject ALL religions
MuscleeStud 1 year ago
Joseph Smith was a conman, with a Messianich complex. He was a complete fraud.
buddatheone 1 year ago 6
@buddatheone You made a statement about Joseph Smith with no evidence. You have accused a man without any facts whatsoever. Why didn't you say Governor Lillburn Boggs was a killer. Appears he gets a free ride. Moses didn't see god either, right?
scottwins2 1 month ago
@buddatheone You make a statement with no facts, you accuse will no facts. Have you put The Book of Mormon to the test? or do you stand with the Mob? Intersting you never complain about Gov. Lilburn Boggs, never a word.
scottwins2 1 month ago
@buddatheone You have made an accustion with no facts. Yet he had witnesses to his claims.
scottwins2 3 weeks ago
@buddatheone You have made an accusation without any supporting facts. A Drive by Accusation it appears.
Joseph Smith was a great man gunned downed by an ungodly mob. He had witnesses to his experiences. From the Plates to Revelation.
Please no 3rd or 4th hand accusations please.
scottwins2 5 days ago
Joseph Smith was not evil, but VERY, VERY misled.
AnglicanNew 1 year ago
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shit ! i love to get real high and wach this stuff ! the party is on mother fuckers ! every suck my fat dick niggas !
shutupstupid9 1 year ago
Amen
WarriorPriest28 2 years ago
promormonblogspot is an evil and spitefull site.
Go ahead lds. Keep on praising men and worshiping your church.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago 3
@awolLDSasap We praise Joseph Smith in the classical sense of the word meaning appreciate, just like the word "terrible" in classical sense means "terror-ful", not awful. We don't worship the Church, unless the Church is Christ.
"Woe to them that call good evil, and evil good"
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner Be honest. "All" meetings lead towards the deeds, goodness and obedience of men. Almost everything that comes from the pulpit and choir refers to the qualities of men and how they can become perfect. Worship to glorify and praise God is limited. God is found within prayer and Jesus is occasionally talked about. God is by NO means the focus of lds worship. There will be no other gods before Him. Manworship is not good.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Considering that Jesus commanded that we be perfect like our Father in Heaven. I mean we praise and glorify Christ, but is that all he expects of us, we have three hours of church, sure it isn't all glory of God, but we are learning His will, in that sense we are projecting our faith by learning what He expects.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner We reject the prophet of satan joseph smith like we reject satan as well.. God wants NOTHING to do with your blasphemous satanic mormon cult.. its full of lies,deceit and trickery
Whyzitsotough 1 year ago
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He also cut the video. (0:53) I mean hello, censorship?
Just read promormondotblogspotdotcom to find out more about Shawn and his deceptions.
StorminMormin91 2 years ago
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Shawn neglects to mention the fact that even prophets in the Bible made prophecies that did not come to pass or were Conditional, and that even in the New Testament Church there continued to be prophets and apostles, and that the Church was built upon such a foundation of prophets and apostles, Christ himself being the cornerstone.
Joseph Smith died testifying of a living and real Savior, and that His Church and Kingdom was again established on the earth.
StorminMormin91 2 years ago
ok what failed prophets are in the bible? you mormons love to discredit Gods word
WarriorPriest28 2 years ago 6
@WarriorPriest28 I am a so called Mormon and don't dicredit anything in the Bible. What is it you refer too? I see more hate here from the Non Moromn critics than any Mormon i know.
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2 Then you are not practicing Mormonism. Mormons are polytheistic. The Bible is monotheistic. Therefore you reject Biblical truths.
thermionic1234567 5 days ago
@thermionic1234567 Again you offer no facts and your claims are wrong. I am a practicing Mormon and do not reject Biblical truths. You don't now who I am or anything about me.
Actually your views of Montheism came from your Prophett Plato, he is the philosopher that created your "One God" "The Devine" carried through and too The New Testament.
Polytheism is supported very well in The Bible Christ spoke of his Father and prayed to him, I would not worship a God who prayed to himself.
scottwins2 5 days ago
@scottwins2 I do not need to know anything about you as a person to discuss Mormonism and Christianity and Plato plays no role in Christianity at all. You are deliberately distorting the Christian teaching of the Trinity, substituting God-The-Son with Jesus, spirit brother of you, me, Satan and the angels.
thermionic1234567 4 days ago
@thermionic1234567 As before you offer no facts just accusations.
scottwins2 4 days ago
@scottwins2 I understand your fear and anxiety as the Mormon church crumbles. This is normal when a person's world begins to collapse. Meditate on the Kinderhook Plates and the Book of Abraham. Think about the elephants and horses mentioned in the BoM. Ask yourself why Cummorah has not been excavated. Then ask yourself "Where is Zerahimla?" Think about the LDS allegation regarding the accuracy of the Bible stating it was not properly translated. And then think about Qumran.
thermionic1234567 3 days ago
@thermionic1234567 I have no fear at all actually, my faith standn is growng and not crumbling as liars like you say.
As far as the excavation I do wonder. If we pulled up the box ignorant people as yourselves would say it was all staged and a fake.
scottwins2 3 days ago
@scottwins2 Your faith may be growing, but Mormonism is collapsing. The Book of Abraham has been proven totally false and American Indians have no Hebrew genes whatsoever.
thermionic1234567 3 days ago
@thermionic1234567 Go read your Gene studies again they have been proven scewed.
As for Abraham? Stands as an inspired Scripture.
scottwins2 3 days ago
@scottwins2 You are a hopeless stalwart. Get ready for Thomas S. Monson to make radical changes as the facts are coming out faster and faster. Your "prophet" will leave you behind to join with the "pure guys" in southwest Utah. You will be calling Monson an apostate in a few years' time.
thermionic1234567 3 days ago
@scottwins2 Hey friend, I answered your question you asked on the other video, do you have a reply, or just to ignore?
Haukman66 3 days ago
@Haukman66 can't find it
scottwins2 3 days ago
@scottwins2 I posted it on your channel comments. I will say it again. I pray to the Father, through Jesus Christ. John 14:6.
Haukman66 3 days ago
@Haukman66 Then poof they are one! Majical Gods I don't worship. Only those who follow Prophet Plato.
scottwins2 2 days ago
@scottwins2 "Majical Gods I don't worship. Only those who follow Prophet Plato." You mean, you worship "gods", who were once a man like you? Is that it? Gee, I wonder where that came from, because its nowhere in the bible. Maybe God got it wrong? Maybe he had to send Joseph Smith, to say what He forgot to say 2000 years ago?
Haukman66 2 days ago
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we believe in god that he chose joseph smith to be a prophet and joseph smith is a real prophet actually come in our church and you will find out the truth
kenncalli12 2 years ago
Get a chance to TESTIFY & what is it that LDS do?
TESTIFY of Joe & "our church" how sad
Christians TESTIFY of the Glory & Majesty of the Risen Savior not of a DEAD Founder!
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised FABLES, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of HIS MAJESTY.
bdplist 2 years ago 4
shawn we will meet someday
wildricky40 2 years ago
I live down by the river...
Phunker1 2 years ago
Please tell me why you have a Pope and not a Prophet?
dragonfreke 2 years ago
I'm not going to get in a spitting contest with you on whose church is right. I was only pointing out the flaw in your argument that it was impossible for JS to write the book on his own. I think it was entirely possible, that is all. I personally do not understand the structure of your church either, but I'd rather not fight over it.
carlasue88 2 years ago
i dont mean to fight or to sound like i am fighting. i honestly want to know why you have a pope and how a pope is different or similar to a prophet. i dont mean to say that mine is right and yours is wrong. i would just like to better understand from someone who knows instead of reading it from someone who could by lying to make their church sound better. so if you would please tell me, i would like to know and understand.
dragonfreke 2 years ago
Our Church's structure was handed down directly from Christ, including the priests, an unbroken line. The bishops are the apostles, since the apostles became bishops. Peter was the leader of the Apostles, and handed that position down as what we today call Pope, but that wasn't always the title (he's just a bishop actually).
What the first Christians did, we do today. The sabbath celebration is the same. We have early documents which show this (St. Justin Martyr, listed in the Catechism )
carlasue88 2 years ago
Doesn't the bible name a prophet after the death of Christ? And he just said that all prophets and revelation to man ended with Christ...that doesn't work. God is the same today, yesterday and forever. If God calls prophets in the bible...wouldn't He call prophets today?
poptartpride 2 years ago
Right on. Why would they continue the succession of the apostles after Christ's death if nothing more needed to be said?
joerichards4 2 years ago
OK EINSTEIN!
Explain This...
How does a 14 year old boy, translate a book of doctrine (book of mormon) in less than 3 months when it took, scholars and scribes decades (possibly centuries) to compile and translate the Bible?
You are funny tho, but ur theories are obviously all wrong!
Are u Catholic by any chance, you sound like one?
Tanera619 2 years ago
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ElOrnitorrinco 2 years ago
dude, dont even try, these guys are set out in spite of us. nothing you can say will change their mind, or lack thereof. and btw he was much older than 14 when he actually translated
bodom0593 2 years ago
The burden of Proof is not on us/Mormon critics! It is on YOU MORmONS. The fact that you dont understand that shows your fundamental ignorance.
The timeframe for the compilation of the Book of MORmON is entirely based on accounts of SMith & vested cohorts to the fraud, there is no outside independent witness to the event. so any time frame is based solely in unverifiable LDS claims & one thing that LDS have proved is that they LIE.& they can not stop.
baxfikkle555 2 years ago 3
dude, he was 21 when he supposedly received the gold plates for translation. research before you make claims.
As to your challenge, if you assume he wasn't translating but creating, it's not that difficult to write a lot in a small amount of time, especially when you consider how large a portion is copied from Isaiah or the Gospel of Matthew or other books from the Bible. And, if you consider he could have had help from Oliver Cowdery, etc then it's even easier.
carlasue88 2 years ago
Please tell me how a man with very little schooling could write something like the Book Of Mormon without the help of our Heavenly Father. If indeed he wrote it without help he would be the greatest author to have ever walked the Earth. You would know what I am talking about if you yourself have read the Book of Mormon.
and tell me why would Jesus Christ bestow a Priesthood on the 12 Apostles for it to only die with them? Why cant it be on Earth again with a prophet who receives revelation?
dragonfreke 2 years ago
I HAVE read it cover to cover, along with the D&C and PoGP. As an English Literature major, I am not impressed. I'd never call him one of the greatest authors ever. It doesn't compare to works like the Chronicles of Narnia or LOTR, or The Inferno, or numerous other works I've read. As to schooling, Muhammed was practically illiterate, and he wrote the Quran on his own.
As for the priesthood, while lds believe it's "dead", I believe it's alive & well in the Catholic & Orthodox churches.
carlasue88 2 years ago
We believe it is alive in the LDS church.
Tell me how it is alive in your church.
So you have the priesthood, but what about apostles and prophets?
dragonfreke 2 years ago
why does he sound Catholic?
carlasue88 2 years ago
Joseph Smith was FILTH, TRASH, GARBAGE. The Joseph Smith papers are a JOKE!
genexrollins 2 years ago 4
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deu. 18:22
sldeyo 2 years ago 3
what a wasted effort,, get life dude
prozakpixie 2 years ago
Joseph Smith was a great story teller and salesman from the days of cowboys.
There's no proof any of it ever happened.
No DNA, artifacts or documentation it's all silly nonsense.
sfaster 2 years ago 19
@sfaster Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said to them, An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: You who are sign seekers will never find one. How many times did the Pharisees & Sadducees say show us a sign that we may see and believe. Will ye reject Jesus as in times of old. Put away your pride and come unto Christ. For he is the only way for us to be saved.John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
ComeUntoChrist 6 months ago
@sfaster And the Holicost never happened,right? There were witnesses to the experiences Joseph Smith had. David Whitmer, Martin Harris, Oliver Cowdery to name three. I could list eigth more if you like. In fact hundreds. What history books do you read anyway. Why Governeor Lillburn Boggs made a nice record of it, he created Extermination Order 42.
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2 Everyone can dream up a story and live it...........
Get a life and wake up to reality!
sfaster 1 month ago
@sfaster Read the Book of Mormon apply its principles and you would probably be not as filled with as much hate as you are. I guess Moses and him getting the 10 comandments on Mount Sinai was fraud too? don't think so.
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2 Moses and the Ten Commandments and Joseph Smith a con-man
are both true stories..........ta ta
sfaster 1 month ago
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I just became a brand new member yesterday! After being away from the Church for 20 years.. I found my way back. I removed my name 20 years ago.. and it took almost a year just to be a member again. It will take another year to be fully restored.
You should take a peek at some of the OT prophets who made prophecies that did not happen. If Joseph was a false prophet.. he couldn't have made one right... but did you count all the ones he did? You try it!
MrNirom 3 years ago
He got the ENTIRE translation of the Book of Abraham wrong.....and he was supposed to be a seer and revelator? He wrote the Book of Mormon in 17th century old english yet he lived in 19th century America...... this doesn't make any sense.
a68rebel 3 years ago 8
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The ENTIRE thing? Show me the ENTIRE original and how he got it wrong.
Who says the Book of Mormon is in 17th century old english? This is the first I have heard that one! LOL
MrNirom 3 years ago
Who made these rules to be restored and how long it will take? Come to the truth in God and you will be saved. Isaiah 55:6-13; Lamentations 3:31-40
My favorite is Ezekiel 37:1-14 The Valley of Dry Bones.
1 John 1:8-10 we all are sinners.
Seek the truth in God! God Bless!
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago 6
The big contradition is does God change His mind or teaching? If not, how do you explain 2 Nephi 5:20-24 where it describes the black color or skin as being a curse?
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago 8
"OT prophets who made prophecies that did not happen"
Who?
fbass40 3 years ago 13
@fbass40 - Jonah - An example is found in the story of Jonah, who was told by God to prophecy to the people of Nineveh. Jonah prophesied that the people would be destroyed in 40 days (Jonah 3:4)—no loopholes were offered, just imminent doom. God changed things, however, when the people repented and He chose to spare them—much to the chagrin of that imperfect (yet still divinely called) prophet, Jonah.
There are other examples.
THELDSLIFE 10 months ago
@THELDSLIFE God never told Jonah to prophecy to the people of Nineveh that they will be destroyed in 40 days.
God said,"Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it ( or "preach against it" in the NIV ) ; for their wickedness is come up before me."
And about Jonah's anger, he was anger cause he knew that God was gonna show mercy to the people of Nineveh,so there was no reason for him to leave home...according to Jonah that is ( Jonah 4)
rune123jm1 10 months ago
@rune123jm1 - unbelievable ... it's staring you right in the face and you'll deny it.
THELDSLIFE 10 months ago
@THELDSLIFE Deny what? Please be more specific
rune123jm1 10 months ago
@rune123jm1 - there are various prophesies, as mentioned in Deut 18:22 that could disqualify many prophets from the Old Testament; including an Angel of the Lord for making false predictions. Jonah is not the only one who predicted that a city would be destroyed and it would not. If you can accept the difference between conditional prophecies and actual looming prophecies which will come to pass or things which are inevitable, then it wouldn't be as hard to accept modern prophecy.
THELDSLIFE 10 months ago
@fbass40 - PS - More on Jonah...
Chapter 4 - Jonah is displeased with the Lord for his mercy upon the people—The Lord rebukes him.
Why would a prophet be PISSED that God decided NOT to destroy the people? Did he have prejudice against them? Did he feel jaded that his own prophecy did not come to pass? Or is GOD more merciful than what Jonah had suggested. Either way, prophets in the OT were NOT perfect men. They were just as subjected to imperfections as modern prophets would ...
THELDSLIFE 10 months ago
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fbass40 9 months ago
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fbass40 9 months ago
@fbass40 - of course it was removed...
THELDSLIFE 9 months ago
@THELDSLIFE Translated does not equal removed.
fbass40 9 months ago
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@THELDSLIFE Everyone that ever lived besides Jesus was imperfect, that's not whats in question here.
Joseph Smith was a false prophet. Jonah's prophecy did come true. The Hebrew word haphak is used about 90 times in the Old Testament, that is the same word used for "destroyed" in the book of Jonah. That word is most often translated into English as "turn," or "turned," or "transformed," or "changed," or "turned away," or "turned from" in the Old Testament.
fbass40 9 months ago
MrNirom You have had me believe that you were a sincere member all this time, and now you say you only just came back yesterday?
Not only don't you not speak for the church you are not even a member in good standing yet or worse still NOT a member until yesterday?
hahahahahahahaha
ElderJoseph 3 years ago 7
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tezkingkong 2 years ago
When I was a Mormon and the first time I heard that Joseph Smith made false prophecies, I wanted to know what this was and investigated this more, but when I try to share this fact with others in the Church, they just accuse me of being a Mormon hater and they will not acknowledge that Joseph Smith made false prophecies. YOu would think anyone would want to know this information but I see that sticking their head in the sand is a place where they want to be. Very, very sad.
carpentersdaughter2 3 years ago 6
Do what I did and leave, and you will soon find the only friend you ever had to begin with was Jesus Christ himself. That fear is real but my fear of the lord and his word means more to me.
ryanmoe2008 3 years ago 8
I cannot believe how someone can believe in JS.
agfigueroaa 3 years ago 6
The only way I can leave my church without betraying any friend there is the following:
Move to a faraway town. Opt not to fill out the church's forwarding address form under the pretext of needing to look for an apartment first.
Without any new address to send missionaries to, I'll be off their yoke!
ChomuSclavus 3 years ago
there is no reason to think that you would be betraying a friend, if they walk out on you because you have found truth in jesus christ then they were no friend and definately not a christian...do you see the fear that they put into your heart?
joshoemaha 3 years ago 4
Or you could just leave without using any excuses. You don't have to sign up for another belief system just to leave Mormonism. Not saying you shouldn't, but I just think you shouldn't feel obligated to believe something else only because you stopped believing Mormonism.
tillerGeneric 3 years ago
Sorry Chomu that won't work. Even out of state, w/o forwarding addy, they still find "you"... freakn stalkers!
Just send in a resignation letter.
If your friends are truly friends, they will continue to be. If they don't, they never were. No loss.
Boudica09 3 years ago