Tired of seeing people not being able to control their dogs. It's not that fucking hard. It really isn't. If you can't control an animal that could kill a small child then you don't deserve to own one. Get a cat or something instead. Or better yet, a betta fish. Morons.
Ceaser gets results and saves dogs b happy about that stop the fucking hating man, what would you say to the perant that has a out of control child going down the wrong path and has to send him to a boot camp to make him better would u call that child abuse MORONS!!!!!
It's animal cruelty...and thats it...! His methodes is for lazy people that doesn't understand how to train dogs without fear and force, that doesn't care enough to learn real dogtraining...
@MaliSob if anythign his methods are what lazy ppl will not want to follow..humans instead have a "pay ppl to get it donw attitude", or find a way to gett he jonb done w o putting the time and effort into it. Example of this...vets recommending anxiety pills or tranquilizers, ppl paying a "trainer" to get the job done and expect to not have to do anything. thatd be like hiring a personal trainer to lose weight or put on muscle and expect to pay him w having to do any work yourself
@MaliSob i had a client w a dog that bite ppl/dogs tell me b4 i wrked w them that the vet suggest we put him on sedatives and remove his k9 and front teeth bc of the"fact" that the dog is beyond being fixed. Long story short this dog now walks w a pack of dogs and plays in the park mon-fri w dogs. Whats next from ppl that avoid and mask the problem instead of actually addressing it? "my dog jumps the fence and runs away" vet:"i suggest removing their legs to fix this problem"
I use positive reinforcement 90% of the time, and my dog has perfect manners.I also work with rescued pit bull type dogs, and am on my 10th foster, so I am not talking out my ass about knowing what works and what just puts a lid on problems. Training a dog is about patience,timing,being proactive and giving your dog information about what works and what doesn't. I DO agree that you need to be a leader,but do you want to be a dictator,or do you want to be a leader that your dog follows by choice?
I do not like his methods...not to say they don't work..if someone was choking/aplha-rolling me,I would probably submit and do whatever the they wanted, just so they would stop. It doesn't mean it's the right way to do things, and it does nothing to change the underlying behavior - it just stops it from happening. Kinda like losing weight -I can change my eating habits and exercise, or I can wire my mouth shut. I will get the same result, but when that wire comes off, I have learned nothing
For every person that makes sense in this world we have at least 10 that are clueless. Just like GSDprideKVL said: the people that disagree with him have screwed up dogs. I'll also add that it's because they want to personify them. Dogs are not people and have a completely different set of gestures and mannerisms that they use to communicate. His methods are proven and they work. That simple.
His methods are so outdated. Its hilarious how many people follow him. Dogs aren't wolves people, we bred them for thousands of generations to make them NOT like wolves. Stop comparing them to one.
@linwau so wait , what are you saying , they're humans ?
he does nothing outdated the opposite , dogs (not wolves so you be happy) in nature still communicate with eachother by touch and body language (unlike us) so what do you expect him to say to the dog ? "chill out" ?
you guys just dont wanna get it which is fine, but its funny how much arrogance you put into your problem of accepting his methods.
@TheAbsolumER They're not humans. They're dogs. Dogs do communicate by touch and/or body language. It doesn't mean us humans should act like dogs to try and control them. Don't see people biting their dogs to get their points across, or sniffing a dogs ass to greet them. You don't need to 'act' like a dog for your dog to understand you. Another problem is that people usually want something fast and something easy, dominance training doesn’t take much thinking, just some bullying
@TheAbsolumER In the wild, the leading wolves are seldom aggressive, there is no need to be. The male and female breeders (or what would incorrectly be called the ‘alphas’) are completely sure of their status and they know they don’t need to go around bullying everyone else to make sure they know too.
@TheAbsolumER The only cases recorded where a wolf (or feral dog) rolls another over on his/her back forcefully was in order to kill it. the 'alpha roll' is not forced upon the offending wolf rather the lower ranking wolf is willingly rolling over to show submission.
@linwau try going to a dog run/park.....youll be able to record numerous cases of this roll and various types of corrections and communication amongst eachother....lol you cant be seriously that delusional.
@DreamComeTrueK9 I have never seen a dog grab another by its neck and roll it over to show 'dominance'. I've seen it happen, yes, but only with the intent of a bloody attack. When I see dogs rolling over at the dog park, it's of their own freewill.
@linwau my advice to you then is to spend more time around dogs where you are actually aware and intune to their language. For you to actually leave a comment like that and believe that its true is astonishing. It happens in play and when a dog gets out of hand. stable dogs can pin and "fight" in a way that calms the dog that is out of line down, to the point of relaxation where they let up...as opposed to one that continues for a kill.
@linwau ...For THOUSANDS of generations?!?!?!?! hahahahaha, you never were that good in math were you?!?!? hahahaha, next time you try to make a point...try not to be WRONG! hahahaha...you are funny
@AboutDogTraining3 Like I've said, I use much of his methodology in dealing with my dogs and I have top notch dogs if I do say so myself, that's as about as much science as I need frankly. Doesn't understand dogs? Check out the episode where he's in Australia working with a wiemaraner who was defensive of postal bikes. That session alone has shows how well he can read a dog.
@TheDavidMarr, incredible how many millan fanboy idiots can't even read the warning not to try his methods. Yes, the Rott was taken by Millan where he can continue to use violence or the threat of it to manage it. And the Aussie Postbike episode shows how much of an idiot Millan really is. His explanations were nonsense and the approach wrong-headed
@aboutdogtraining3 When I refer to dirty, it's purely figurative. I mean working with a dog which is lashing out during an intervention by Cesar. Not adoptable? Apollo never had a home to begin with, he was rescued by a young girl. Once rehabilitated, the dog was put under permenant care of Cesar's son Andre. Apollo has shown up in a couple episodes after the fact. Turned out to be a fine dog actually.
(sorry I ran out of characters) ... but for people such as @AboutDogTraining3, get a life. A person with such a vast knowledge of dog behavior, must be up to their eyes in work. If you are, don't tell them about your youtube pass times, it'll just make you look like a douchebag.
I get a kick out of the people who expend a scary amount of time and effort huddled behind their computer, ranting about how awful this guy is. Meanwhile, there are probably over a dozen dogs euthanized in the U.S. by the time it takes to write their stupid post (which nobody really reads anyways). Folks, you could have taken the accumulative time you spend spewing your nonsense to make a difference. You may not like it, but he gives dogs a chance at life that not many would have without him.
@TheDavidMarr , Millan abuses dogs and his method has killed thousands from people copying his example and creating more aggressive dogs they can't handle. You are simply a fucking ignorant asshole troll. The scientific evidence is very clear. Get your head out of Millan's ass. There is a whole world of dog training based on evidence and free of violence.
@AboutDogTraining3 There is no doubting that dogs and people have been harmed due to copycats, that's why they plaster that big disclaimer at the beginning of the show. No matter if it's CM or Dr. Dunbar working with an aggressive dog, it's a dangerous situation. I'm trolling? Lol. Ok then
@TheDavidMarr, Millan's methods are inherently dangerous for dog and human. Though every CM defender here claims to use "his" methods. Even a poorly trained R+ could never induce the aggression we see caused by Millan.
@AboutDogTraining3 Dealing with a dog you don't know, who is exhibiting the types of issues common with a Millan case is very dangerous. I can understand and appreciate his methods, but I wouldn't go to my friends house to deal with an aggressive Rotti. Something which can be consumed by his followers is the helpful book content which outlines raising a dog and UNDERSTANDING dog behavior. This includes recognizing when there might be an issue which requires pro. intervention.
@TheDavidMarr, it's millan's methods that make it dangerous. He induces defensive aggression over and over again. And anyone following his methods experiences the same thing. That much has been obvious from all the people who defend him but qualify their posts when talking about their dog's response. Millan DOES NOT UNDERSTAND DOGS and we know that almost everything he claims has been scientifically refuted.
For instance, when I say I use CM methods, I use his view on dog behavior to analyze what I can do to better understand and satisfy my dogs needs from the moment they come in to my home. I've raised many exceptional dogs with his methods and I get noticed for it. There was a really good episode where he picked 4 or 5 different puppies and raised them for a year before putting them in homes, to show viewers how he raises a puppy ( Junior was part of this group).
(Cont. 3) What you see on his show is often a product of months or years of very poor or no training whatsoever. You get to see the dirty side of working with a dog. I'm all about positive reinforcement and being opened minded about dog training, but I respect him. See the episode with the Rotti who was due to be put down the day after they showed up for auditions at PetSmart? Might not be everyone's cup of tea, but that dog would be in the ground if it wasn't for him.
@TheDavidMarr, that's part of your problem. There is no dirty side to working with a dog. This dog didn't need more abuse, it's retarded to think that mistreatment would help a dog that is already fearful. And that Rottie, Millan couldn't make him adoptable, he had to take him.
@TheDavidMarr Thank you, at least someone gets it, unlike KnowsNothing AboutDogTraining3, who just spends their days stalking anyone who doesn't agree with their methods and feels the need to bash and undermine any one that sees differently. All it really shows is how insecure and desperate that person is. All I see is someone not at all confident enough with their own methods and needs the security and acceptance of people who see "their way." Totally pathetic, that is.
Hi, my english isn't very good...I try :).. .Why are there people who think they treat dogs as humans is that correct? Dogs sometimes have an aggressive communication.
I'm always so annoyed at people after watching any dog series. It's never the dog's fault if they behave out of control. Yet all the time people get pets when they don't know how to own them.
Cesar's methods might be new and strange but they work and act 'from the dog's level'
I love his methods. It's nice to see someone actually working through the dog's problems instead of humanizing them and drowning them with affection :3
its amazing how often the word ineffective has sprung up in this conversation. what a load of rubbish you can clearly see that it works grow a brain people.
I can guarantee that every single person against him can't control their dog. I'm a trainer and people treat their dogs like their people which they aren't. Those people shouldnt have dogs because they end up getting rid of them or caging them. You are the abusive ones.
@GSDprideKVL Oh my god I hate it! My sister treats my two staffie's like bloody humans and she's always like "lets let them off the leash and let them socialize" i'm like FUCK YOU! YOU FUCKING MONGREL. YOU MEAN LET THEM KILL EACH OTHER? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DOMINATION AND SUBMISSION?
I sent a e-mail to youtube to take this video out! This guy is abusing a dog. He is strangeling a dog. And there is no reason - anyway! Its againt animal rights and really, If I were in the USA I would take him to court for such things. As well as the owners, cause looking someone how he is finding nice words for such a cruelty is so damn stupid and ignorant - they caused this. This guy is a danggler.. wo shouldnt be able to work with animals - and shouldnt be paid for abusing them.
@Jasemin1 ya you should do something about it you should take him to court and say hes abusing dogs and let me no how that works out for you dumbass if he was abusing dogs he wouldnt be on tv peta have tried but cant stop him because hes not abusive
@BeowoofOmega, liitle shit liar. Since you've already admitted to being a pedophile who is breaking parole by using the internet, it would be best if you simply went away. This retard has already admitted to having mutliple handles and said that he is about to drop this one because the authorities are closing in on him.
@BeowoofOmega "dont argue with a fool bc hell drag you down to his level and then beat you down with his experience"......."never argue with an idiot bc at first glance, it may be hard for spectators to tell who the idiot is" adt3 has been doing this for so long that at first glance many ppl could not tell who was who....problem now is that he has been doing it for so long...bc of this it is not a first glance for many, and most have figured adt3 out to be the troll that he is
@DreamComeTrueK9 , of course the retard Beowoof should argue with me. Specially since the turd is wrong and is trying to claim that pitbulls are inherently dangerous, and lying by claiming an article that survey newspaper headlines is a scientific paper. Of course an outdated, punishment based trainer like you wouln't know the difference between facts and fiction
@AboutDogTraining3 sorry that you feel that way. doesnt make sense in my opinion but i hve no desire to attempt to debate w some1 whos only interest is to argue and agitate. Have a good day. We all look forward to maybe one day seeing some of your own videos. If punishment is such a bad thing you should send parents to jail for telling their kids that they are punished when they misbehave and take away their cellphone and send them to their room.......pure torture in your eyes
@DreamComeTrueK9 , your opinion is the problem. You are ignorant of the facts, ignorant of the science and you are using 100 year old methods based on fear and punishment.
@AboutDogTraining3 again sorry that you feel that way. Youre way must be the way of the future since new age dogs have gotten hip to old methods. I look forward to learning from your vids and methods (whether i agree or not i learn from it all)...next step would be for you to post some vids of your own...have a good day
@DreamComeTrueK9, your replies are so incredibly stupid, it's amazing that there are even stupider people paying for your services. The method of violence and fear that you use has been proven to cause a variety of problems in dogs. They are ineffective in training which is why all organizations moved away from these methods decades ago. When your life depends on a dog's training, Millan's way is the last thing trainers would try since it gives shut down dogs. Are u incapable of ready a book?
@AboutDogTraining3 "dont argue with a fool bc hell drag you down to his level and then beat you down with his experience". "never argue with an idiot bc at first glance, it may be hard for spectators to tell who the idiot is". You are entitled to your opinion... perhaps some vids displaying your advanced experience that you attempt to beat us all down with would help to make you more credible. We look forward to this attempt
@DreamComeTrueK9, really you morons keep claiming that I am a fool, when in fact you guys are even too stupid to realize your mistakes. Time and time again, I've given documented evidence. Scientific papers showing that what I've been saying is correct and that your views are wrong.
Idiots like Blake Rodriguez partake in animal abuse and excuse it b/c they saw it on TV. BTW moron, try reading. I realize you are stupid and think that everything has to be on tv or video to be true... NOT SO!
@AboutDogTraining3 i watch, read, observe and experience hands on every day (lol its what i do for a living). anyone who understands dog behavior/body language as a whole will tell u that it doesnt matter who you study under, what you read or watch from a human, you will learn more from observing dogs interact amongst each other, along with hands on experience. YOu are entitled to your opinion, although tv has nothign to do with anything here. No1 s trying to argue here but you
@DreamComeTrueK9, idiot. the evidence shows what you've copied from tv is a lie. What you do is hit dogs often enough and hard enough to shut them down. This is not some great skill. How may dogs have you titled? Zero. The facts, its not opinion. I am not making it up. your methods are dangerous and outdated.
@AboutDogTraining3 thanks for sharing the opinion that you are entitled to. wish you would one day strt sharing facts and not opinions of others...have a good day..still looking forward to seeing vids of your own
@DreamComeTrueK9, no idiot pay attention. It s not opinion. It is a scientific reality that dominance methods and punishment produces aggressive dogs. It is a fact that punishment suppresses behavior and induces learned helplessness. Science doesn't happen in youtube videos moron. Read the science literature.
@AboutDogTraining3 its actually dominance and abuse. for the first time u were sort of right about something. THat being said , that has nothing to do w me so why you keep talking to me about this is beyond me. But again you r entitled to your opinion. Sweet name calling. thatll really get ppl on your side thinking that you know what you are talking about.....Have a good day!
@DreamComeTrueK9, once again dog beater. It's not opinion that those who follow Millan's methods induce aggression on dogs. That's been well established. You really seem to be incredibly stupid - having so much trouble distinguishing between fact and opinion.
@AboutDogTraining3 HAHA those who follow? ok bud...thanks for expressing ur opinion. it appears u have ur facts a bit mixed up, but who am i to try and tell you anythign. Only thing ill get in return is your childish name calling n argumentative responses that are purely opinion based or "facts" based on ones lack of knowledge or experience with the specific topic. bottom line, if u r really interested n passionate about what u say, show us w your work.. youtube comments wont do much for ya
@DreamComeTrueK9, no idiot not opinion. Scientific fact. Maybe one day - enough neurons will fire in that little brain of yours so the concept becomes established. I know exactly who you are, a dolt who has decided quick money is made by copying the abusive practices he sees on TV.
@AboutDogTraining3 that will go a longer way then contradicting yourself regularly or the ones you claim are the pros when they actually agree w theories that go against what you originally brought them into the topic for. in the nicest, kindest way possible, your antics and attempts to know anything about dog behavior and how to work w severe problematic dogs is laughable at best. But of course you are entitled to your opinion and entertaining to us all.
@DreamComeTrueK9, the shit U peddle isn't used by anyone of note. Not people who turn out assistance dogs, not by the police or military (U'd think dominance would be important to them), not by sport competitors and not by working dog people.
The abuse U inflict on dogs induces learned helplessness & U sell it to uninformed consumers as obedience. SHAME
Here a lesson moron. Science isn't done on youtube. You have to read scholarly books and journals. Is this too hard for you to understand?
@AboutDogTraining3 interesting opinion yet again...and yet again one that you are entitled to. not sure where u r going or what you are attempting but thanks for the read. have a good day
@AboutDogTraining3 your madeup opinion is getting old. nevertheless you are entitled to it, but evidence and studies show that what you claim is not proven. And what has been is generalized and not pin pointed on someone specifically. But of course you know all. This is why i look forward to you showing and teaching us the "correct and only way, that you have mastered" dont be selfish, share a video of your own for us. until then...whatever u say bud! have a lovely day!
What is truly old is the abusive and outdated practices you employ to control dogs. Violence as a means of training was dropped by competent trainers ages ago because we have better ways. The evidence shows that your methods induce defensive aggression, reactivity and generalized anxiety.
@AboutDogTraining3 fyi your opinion is getting less and less interesting and more and more annoyingly repetitive. but of course you are entitled to your opinion and allowed to comment on here. Hope that works out for ya
@DreamComeTrueK9, you moron while you can keep lying to people that the violent methods you picked up from tv groomer are useful, the evidence says they are ineffective. And once again retard, science is not a youtube video.
@AboutDogTraining3 still with the name calling i see...you are actually right for once...evidence does indeed show that violence is not the way to go when helping to rehab a dog. Its when u compare that to CM or myself that you lose everyone. Your repetitive comments are getting old and less entertaining. might have to end giving you the time of day here. boring. perhaps youll spark someone elses interest on here. enjoy your day, and good luck making a change through YT comments
@DreamComeTrueK9 if idiots like you were actually willing to learn instead of simply being a contrarian spouting pro-millan rhetoric, you would be treated differently. You morons simply cannot accept basic facts, repetition is required to get through that useless mellon resting on your neck.
What you do is violent. You punish animals for being scared, drive them into helplessness and sell it to your victims as calm/submissive.
@AboutDogTraining3 anyone could be just as annoying as you and respond back w trolling antics like yours. I could simply say that reading a book is ancient and outdated and TV and vids is the new and only way to learn and do things....but of course thatd just be silly. Almost as silly as your ignorant "outdated method" argument. or i could just respond by name calling and not making sense just as you do. But two wrongs dont make a right. So once again..u r entitled to your opinion
@DreamComeTrueK9, shit for brains. You've told many lies here, so I wouldn't be surprised by anything you say. Luckily, I can and have proven that your claims are lies. Millan's approach is the same pain based training that had been popular until the science of animal behavior showed there are better methods. Losers like you stick to it b/c you are too stupid or lazy to learn proper training methods.
Merritt Clifton's article that the idiot copied, consisted of Clifton reading the newspaper on bite incidents and then coming to a conclusion based on this highly biased method of data gathering.
It should not come as a surprise that the idiot @BeowoofOmega doesn't know what he is talking about. The useless troll is only good for cut'n'pastes.
Risk factors associated with behavioral problems in dogs, JVBCAR Volume 6, Issue 4 , Pages 225-231, July 2011. In part the study reads "Breeds classified as potentially dangerous did not show aggressiveness more often than the remaining ones."
Why does he say "every dog has a limit, even pit bulls have limits." Like duh... you just stated that EVERY dog has a limit... Pit Bulls aren't some rare vicious breed of wild dog... hey are dogs... just dogs... And there my friends is why people have warped views on theses dogs...
@RoscoTheRat he was merely saying pitbulls have their limits because many people regard them as the most dangerous of all dogs. sounded like he was simply making a point for the viewers.
If you want to know what ADT is talking about, go on google and type in "Calming Signals Community. It teaches people that Dogs have Calming Signals which are made to calm down angry people or animals. Dogs don't want to be in a fight, if anything. Usually fighting is based off of fear. This aggressiveness is to protect themselves. Do you think dogs are aggressive because they want to be mean one day? Think about it.
Why do you guys keep dogging ADT? Why don't you go look up the information yourself, or at least look at this from a different angle instead of being one sided.
I don't think there's any need for name calling, but they still don't have any real evidence.
(In your defense)
"It is a good morning exercise for a research scientist to discard a pet hypothesis every day before breakfast. It keeps him young" <-- How is that even related? Do you realize that "discard" means to omit, dispose, or forget about? You just contradicted yourself.
"Science never solves a problem without creating ten more." <--This isn't related either.
@BeowoofOmega haha i know...post wasnt in any way related. What also got disregarded was a comment i made a while back which pointed out how their beloved "go to trainer" (ian dunbar) spoke about how limiting clickers were and spoke on how trainers these days are more of technicians/robots and lack a true person to dog genuine connection. this was a vid on YT over a dinner he had w Zak George
@BeowoofOmega, the dog is being abused until it shuts down. Once it has gone into a state of catatonia, Millan calls it calm and submissive and lies to the people by telling them he did it with assertiveness even though we can all see he used violence.
@DreamComeTrueK9 - Actors who are acting and dogs in real life are not analogous. I don't care how much garbage this guy spouts about this poor dog being relaxed, the dog is NOT relaxed - I can see the whites of the dogs eyes (pure stress/fear) and it is panting like a steam train (more stress). Just because he says the dog is relaxed doesn't mean it is. I don't understand why people allow this barbarity with their dogs :(
@frdrckcole i think you might be misinformed based on what you hear. working w a dog like this is diff from a neutral level dog. This is life vs death
@frdrckcole try not folloing or copying what you read. makes no sense to not want to hear what is connected with the body language and sounds that the dog is making at certain times..they have meaning. Try watching a movie w no sound. U gunna tell me that the actors performed horribly w o hearing them perform? Thats silly
@BeowoofOmega - Nonsense. Dogs name was Riley. Video is on Natgeo site. Millan should've put more effort in getting his own brain to work. The dog's brain was working fine until Millan cut off its oxygen and blood supply by dragging the dog up the stairs with a choke chain. But you're right, he pulled, he dragged, he strangled, but he didn't push. Really, it was the builders fault for putting stairs in the house in the first place. Anyway, it's cdn thanksgiving. I don't have time 4 now.
also still waiting for you to provide that video. Is it possible that you cant find one. Yes i know that you have given me a channel (that im already subscribed to) but i couldnt find a video that dealt w what we are speaking of. Since you brought the channel up im assuming and hoping that you can post the vid for us.
@BeowoofOmega - Wow! You almost got something right. I agree dogs need leadership (not pack) and to be taught what we want. Millan doesn't do that, he forces compliance. What you got wrong is that we need to make decisions for them. We really need to teach them to make the right decisions and check with us if they're unsure. If a dog chooses 'bad' behaviour, then the problem is the reward structure. That's what needs to be addressed. However, that doesn't address the 'neutral' issue...
@BeowoofOmega - The issue is not what, but how a dog should be taught. I'll repeat. The claim is that dogs which are not neutral need different training METHODS because they learn differently than those that are neutral. So neutral must mean something TO THE DOG, since the dog has to change the way it learns. You've presented no evidence for this and not even an explanation of it. It is simply asserted without proof, and can rightfully be dismissed without proof. Neutral argument is nonsense.
“Your time is limited, so don’t waste it living someone else’s life. Don’t be trapped by dogma – which is living with the results of other people’s thinking. Don’t let the noise of other’s opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.” - Steve Jobs
@BeowoofOmega wow naisayd has agreed and made an amazing breakthrough. Although he probably doesnt even realize and know that it was pointed out to him, will find a way o disagree or backout. Cant leave his leader adt3 out to dry lol
@BeowoofOmega - Of course 'neutral' has to be explained. The claim is that dogs which are not neutral need different training methods because they learn differently than those that are neutral. For that claim to be true, neutral has to mean something to the dog. A dog cannot determine whether its behaviour is moral/immoral etc. Those are determined by human values. It can only determine if its behaviour is rewarding or not. Unless you can define a neutral point from the dogs POV, it's nonsense.
@BeowoofOmega your dedication to remaining ignorant is admirable. Too bad you can't suggest any better method than science to discover what is true or not. The rest of the civilized world uses the scientific method, but if a retard like you has something better, don't keep it to yourself. Share with the class.
continud...we wouldnt need ppl like CM in our lives. Suggesting that what he does is entirely diff then what he usually teaches, or someone like kikopup does. All great at what they do but not the same. A ref for NHL pro hockey is not the same as tues night beer league puck refs.
A professional hockey coach teaches players what is expected, empowers and motivates them, so the team performs well together. The amateur feels a need to control and simply demands compliance.
A professional dog trainer teaches dogs what is expected, empowers and motivates them, so the team performs well together. The amateur feels a need to control and simply demands compliance.
@naisayd lol ur hockey response was a good attempt but not at all the truth or how it works when regarding dogs or the sport. Ive explained numerous times what neutral is and u understand the definition very well but choose to play stupid. And again...let me know when you find a video that deals with what we speak of. But again we all know that you wont bc you know what my response will be simply bc you know the type of video you would post and how it wouldnt relate. this is obvious 2 us all
@DreamComeTrueK9, idiot. You are aware that the veracity and truth value of a statement does not depend on whether there is a youtube video or not. Read some fucking literature you twerp.
@AboutDogTraining3 lol its not about a YT vid its abot being able to see it. Otherwise its all talk. There are soo many things that sound great and dandy but when attempting to put it to work, its a diff story. u already know this though, u just enjoy acting the way u do. if someone told u that a product was the best on the market, are u just going to read about it when you have the opportunity to see it work and be able to compare it? or just have someone sell it to you verbally? no brainer
@DreamComeTrueK9, that's what a tool like you doesn't seem to understand Science is not all talk. The findings are well described and the process well characterized, and it is a million times more reliable than the heavily edited version of reality we get from millan or your own pathetic copy at 'dog whispering'. BTW dumbass, when you take medications, you do exactly that. Take somebody's word, unless you happen to run clinical trials in your basement?
@AboutDogTraining3 u are right, science is not all talk when it is proven or tested theory. But u cannot speak on the behalf of science as if it backs u up. Science is viewed valid n credible when it is tested or proven or there is evidence 4 all 2 see. u making something up n claiming it 2 b science does not make it so. Especially when u cant provide us any proof or actual video 4 the public 2 see. 1's unproven opinion doesnt count as a fact.
LOL naisayd and adt3 never cease to make me laugh w the responses that they come up with. usually good for a good laugh when i come home from work and read what they spent their day on. grown ups calling others uselesss turds an saying that CM views r unacceptable in mexican society??? LOLOLOL seriously? its hilarious
@DreamComeTrueK9 that's right asshole. Millan's sexist attitudes are not acceptable in Mexican society. They are the equivalent of the backwards views you might find in American rednecks, hicks, and hillbillies. That's the same type of thinking that Millan typifies.
also show me this dunbar channel bc as a fan and someone who enjoys dunbars lectures..i have from day one asked ppl to show me dunbar working w a dog that is a severe case (not a simple issue), and show us him working throughout (similiar to some of my videos). Ive yet to see it. But then again he is someone that i have learned from. Im more interested in the "expert know it alls naysaiyd and adt3...still waiting on your vids. until then, your responses are just talk
@DreamComeTrueK9 - Dunbars channel is dogstardaily. You would know that if you ever bothered to look. You can search thru his vids. There's several. They're old and using out of date methods (i'm not impressed with them). I don't think Dunbar works with aggressives anymore. Dr Yin has some on superbark1. You will, of course say they're not severe and just minor issues. It doesn't matter, unless you precisely define severe (or neutral), it's just an unsupportable opinion.
lol its amazing how outrageous and ridiculous extremet these two are. zero comprehension and to add to it, they are narrow minded know it alls. an effortless battle w them...but as we have mentioned before....its not about you and I or this vs that. Stop trying to go about dog training w such a narrow mind and focus on dog behavior and actual dog communication. The two of u continue to talk w zero evidence. It all sounds good but show us something that we can actually view
@DreamComeTrueK9 - We've been thru your video demand stuff before. I don't need to create vids. I don't claim to be a pro and I don't tell people to follow my example. I want people to do their own research, weigh the credibility of the data and its sources and come to their own conclusions. It should be easy. It's all the known behaviour scientists and pro orgs in an entire universe vs a guy on tv. The decision about who is more credible should be somewhat obvious, and it's not the tv guy.
the most interesting and fascinating comment made in part 4 of that video was mentioming CM's amazing and innovative way of thinking and handling circumstances..but more importantly he says something along the lines of "well i think if humans/owners were more responsible and Better owners, then perhaps we wouldnt need to go to ppl like CM" That right there shows the difference btwn your kind of training vs CM's wrk w severe cases and dogs...goes back to neutral vs below neutral level dogs
@DreamComeTrueK9 - Other than the owner issues, comments were just patronizing and of no significance at all.
First of all, he fails about 50% of the time. (from ultimate guide). Secondly, most of the dogs on the show are not severe. Which of the vids here on YT would you say was severe, if it wasn't Millan working with them, but somebody else, maybe Dr Sophia Yin? Thirdly, you have never yet defined or described the difference in the mental learning processes for dogs that behave poorly.
@naisayd haha what "ultimate guide" are you talking about and who determines those statistics?? two id say that many of thecases that he works w both on and off the show are severe. obv not all but a good amount are. and if his cases are not severe id like to see vids of your ideal trainer working w one of those cases. We have still yet to see any of this type of perfect work that you speak of on a severe case
@DreamComeTrueK9, all the millanista idiots don't even bother to read Millan's books. Typical of the idiots who shill for Millan to simply know the talking points and mindlessly repeat the phrases they hear on tv. Of course it does take a low intellect and lazy dog owners to buy into the dominance message. Real training is far to complicated for these people
@AboutDogTraining3 why would u reply to me and leave this comment? im not sure if you are talking to me about your made up word "millanist" or if you are putting me in that category as one and for some reason talkign to me in the third person. I really dont care but i am curious where you get the assumption that fans and supporters of CM dont read his books. I personally have read all but one. It sees you are back at it, attempting to pass your personal non proven opinions as facts.
@DreamComeTrueK9, you useless turd, unfamiliar with the work of the man you mindlessly copy. Other than parroting what you see on TV, you are unable to bring anything to the table and your complete lack of understanding of psychology and dogs makes you a threat to them. BTW dumbass, the Ultimate Guide refers to "Dog Whisperer with Cesar Millan: The Ultimate Episode Guide" -- by the little known author Cesar Millan.
@DreamComeTrueK9 - How many times have we referenced the 'ultimate episode guide'. just google 978-1-4165-6143-9 It's Millans own book. That's where the stats come from. Severe is simply a matter of opinion, but it doesn't matter for my POV to be true. It does matter for you however, because you need to define neutral in terms of severity. Drs Sophia Yin and Dunbar both have vids of aggressive dogs on their respective channels. (I did not refer to it as 'perfect work')
@marcostott i watched about 5 min and now have to head out. But thankyou for introducing me to this channel. I just subbed and plan on watching all the videos.
@DreamComeTrueK9 hey no problem. its cool to see cesar with a positive trainer....you can see cesar sometimes a little unsure at times and also tells a few pointers.
@marcostott on another note. this episode was on tv the other day. The full episode is amazing and the work an patience that he had as well as the overall progress he made is displayed.
@DreamComeTrueK9 it aired on NGC ??! a 2 hour special on the dog whisperer ?! cool. yeah its really nice to see another great trainer at work with cesar by his side !
@marcostott I meant the episode of the vid on this page sorry. and Yes i agree its fantastic for ppl 2 see CM teaming up w a +R trainer that exchange in incorporate views and methods. Most of the questions that they asked e/o were not really bc they didnt know the answer but bc it would prob be a question that some1 viewing would have liked to ask or come across while trying it. I love this bc it incorporates different methods and techniques and stresses the importance or timing, why and when
@DreamComeTrueK9 - The whole DW show would have been much better for dogs if they had used a similar format to the vid, where CM went around to various trainers and demonstrated diff implementations and explanations of +R. They could have had full endorsement and recommendation by pro orgs. Instead, a business decision by CM, MPH, and NG led them to create a show focused mainly on drama and based on myths, folklore and legend. BTW - in case you missed it, Duneenzo left u comment on his channel.
@naisayd thanks.. i have read it, responded and already read what Dun suggested. I agree that incorporating a bit of this more would be nice. But the show is not based on folklore and myths. that seems like an awfully bias opinion. What you should have gotten out of it is that a well known and respected +R trainer supports and agrees w CM's outlook on expanding what can actually be a reward. And CM promotes +R. Brings us back to square one when we said that this was the case.
@DreamComeTrueK9 - Most of what CM talks about on the show is based on folklore. In one episode he calls a dog "white fang" - from a childrens story. He has constantly referred to pack structure, dominance heirarchies etc, which have been disproven. The fact that he finally dropped most of the dominance stuff may indicate he does know better. Nobody disputes "life rewards". Never have, but it's not unique to CM. The issue is aversive methods on the show, not CM or what he does in other moods.
@naisayd why would a +R trainer support and participate w CM in educating the public together if CM was as you claimed a dog abuser and someone that hurts dogs? Obv he doesnt. As ive said before its one thing to disagree w some methods here and there but to be extreme and claim that he is a murderer and animal abuser is just silly. Glad that you watched the vids though. Would be difficult to base a show on LEgend and myths and have such great success and results wouldnt it. Obv not the case
@DreamComeTrueK9 - I've never claimed he was a murderer. I don't recall even using the term abuser, although I think techniques like hitting, kicking, stringing, jerking etc are abusive and unnecessary. I'm far from extremist, but firmly believe aversive methods should only be used if all others fail. I also think it's abusive of both CM and NG to purposefully purvey false or misleading information regarding the nature, the character, the care and/or safekeeping of our companion animals.
@DreamComeTrueK9 Dunbar explained his reason for working with Millan very clearly. It's to reach a greater audience. He has openly questioned this approach and in the TEDTalk video makes a reference to him w/o actually mentioning him. Dunbar is simply too polite to launch an all out attack on this idiot.
@marcostott 'cesar millan mastering leadership'' is a wonderful example of Millan's ignorance as well as a fine display of his sexist and equally outdated view of women.
@AboutDogTraining3 his outdated view of women?? say what. what did he say about women?sexist....? cesar said he learned a lot about women thanks to wife(ex) illusion...geez havent you read cesar way and be the pack leader yet !?
@marcostott it shows and disproves the idea that he is against other methods such as +R specifically and talks about how everythign around you can be a tool for training as well as be looked at as a reward for the dog. THat to me is great and the way it should be
@marcostott another millan idiot who worships him without actually knowing what he says. He has claimed that women are not natural leaders because they are 'emotional' and animals don't follow emotional leaders. Men in his eyes are 'psychological' (whatever the fuck that means) and thus make better natural leaders....Other views on women also betray his sexist attitudes toward the female gender
@AboutDogTraining3 dont u agree that in 'harsh' situations,women tend to sometimes dramatize and cry more where as men would keep their emotions inside
any women or men can learn the concept of calm assertive energy n be both equally good leaders, its about keeping your emotions aside when you really have to. and knowing WHEN it is ok to give emotions to our dogs.
@marcostott actually millan's idiocy is multiplexed. Starting with the fallacious claim regarding leadership, followed by the lie about calm/assertiveness and topped off by his sexist comments about women.
@AboutDogTraining3 hes not sexist lmao. he claimed that he was going to go to third world countries and teach men how to be better partners/husband to women. its on a video on youtube,ill post the link when i find it. wuts the lie about calm and assertive? you dont think we should be calm, clear, positive wtv you wanna call it , when training dogs?
@marcostott - Millan certainly is sexist. He was so bad that his x-wife made him go to therapy to help him get over his macho crap. Not sure, but I think she kicked him out of the house, and wouldn't let him back in till he went (don't remember where I saw that). From a nytimes article; Ilusion says, recalling how her husband looked at the counselor and exclaimed, “She’s just like dogs!”. They're divorced now. Just because Millan claims something, that does not in any way, make it true.
@marcostott - Millan certainly is sexist. He was so bad that his x-wife made him go to therapy to help him get over his macho crap. Not sure, but I think she kicked him out of the house, and wouldn't let him back in till he went (don't remember where I saw that). From a nytimes article; Ilusion says, recalling how her husband looked at the counselor and exclaimed, "She’s just like dogs!". They're divorced now. Just because Millan claims something, that does not in any way, make it true.
Can someone take this dog away from these dtupid ppl. FUCK. They should be caged up for 10 mts.
MrMexico709 2 days ago
Tired of seeing people not being able to control their dogs. It's not that fucking hard. It really isn't. If you can't control an animal that could kill a small child then you don't deserve to own one. Get a cat or something instead. Or better yet, a betta fish. Morons.
TheRagtagChicken 6 days ago 2
LOL! 0:50 Cesar shocked.. =))
purplemeCF 1 week ago
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Cesar Millan is not loved in Italy.
Cesar Millan does not like dogs and do not understand it. Cesar millan only like the money of the owners of dogs.
Cesar Millan IS OLD! It is NOT the future!
balordix 1 week ago
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balordix 1 week ago
@linwau
Instinct doesnt change.
GSDprideKVL 1 week ago
Cesar is the best! The results speak for themselves, get over yr jealousy haters. Try learning instead
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hudhudmekmak 2 weeks ago
*Parent (what a fail lol)
KGbSav 2 weeks ago
Ceaser gets results and saves dogs b happy about that stop the fucking hating man, what would you say to the perant that has a out of control child going down the wrong path and has to send him to a boot camp to make him better would u call that child abuse MORONS!!!!!
KGbSav 2 weeks ago
Cesar rules! Screw the haters!
rpe33 2 weeks ago 2
It's animal cruelty...and thats it...! His methodes is for lazy people that doesn't understand how to train dogs without fear and force, that doesn't care enough to learn real dogtraining...
MaliSob 2 weeks ago
@MaliSob if anythign his methods are what lazy ppl will not want to follow..humans instead have a "pay ppl to get it donw attitude", or find a way to gett he jonb done w o putting the time and effort into it. Example of this...vets recommending anxiety pills or tranquilizers, ppl paying a "trainer" to get the job done and expect to not have to do anything. thatd be like hiring a personal trainer to lose weight or put on muscle and expect to pay him w having to do any work yourself
DreamComeTrueK9 1 week ago
@MaliSob i had a client w a dog that bite ppl/dogs tell me b4 i wrked w them that the vet suggest we put him on sedatives and remove his k9 and front teeth bc of the"fact" that the dog is beyond being fixed. Long story short this dog now walks w a pack of dogs and plays in the park mon-fri w dogs. Whats next from ppl that avoid and mask the problem instead of actually addressing it? "my dog jumps the fence and runs away" vet:"i suggest removing their legs to fix this problem"
DreamComeTrueK9 1 week ago
I use positive reinforcement 90% of the time, and my dog has perfect manners.I also work with rescued pit bull type dogs, and am on my 10th foster, so I am not talking out my ass about knowing what works and what just puts a lid on problems. Training a dog is about patience,timing,being proactive and giving your dog information about what works and what doesn't. I DO agree that you need to be a leader,but do you want to be a dictator,or do you want to be a leader that your dog follows by choice?
Ck81392 3 weeks ago
I do not like his methods...not to say they don't work..if someone was choking/aplha-rolling me,I would probably submit and do whatever the they wanted, just so they would stop. It doesn't mean it's the right way to do things, and it does nothing to change the underlying behavior - it just stops it from happening. Kinda like losing weight -I can change my eating habits and exercise, or I can wire my mouth shut. I will get the same result, but when that wire comes off, I have learned nothing
Ck81392 3 weeks ago
For every person that makes sense in this world we have at least 10 that are clueless. Just like GSDprideKVL said: the people that disagree with him have screwed up dogs. I'll also add that it's because they want to personify them. Dogs are not people and have a completely different set of gestures and mannerisms that they use to communicate. His methods are proven and they work. That simple.
TheRobGD 1 month ago in playlist cesar milan-dog whisperer
His methods are so outdated. Its hilarious how many people follow him. Dogs aren't wolves people, we bred them for thousands of generations to make them NOT like wolves. Stop comparing them to one.
linwau 1 month ago
@linwau so wait , what are you saying , they're humans ?
he does nothing outdated the opposite , dogs (not wolves so you be happy) in nature still communicate with eachother by touch and body language (unlike us) so what do you expect him to say to the dog ? "chill out" ?
you guys just dont wanna get it which is fine, but its funny how much arrogance you put into your problem of accepting his methods.
TheAbsolumER 1 month ago
@TheAbsolumER his whole approach is outdated His views about dogs is outdated
AboutDogTraining3 1 month ago
@TheAbsolumER They're not humans. They're dogs. Dogs do communicate by touch and/or body language. It doesn't mean us humans should act like dogs to try and control them. Don't see people biting their dogs to get their points across, or sniffing a dogs ass to greet them. You don't need to 'act' like a dog for your dog to understand you. Another problem is that people usually want something fast and something easy, dominance training doesn’t take much thinking, just some bullying
linwau 1 month ago
@TheAbsolumER In the wild, the leading wolves are seldom aggressive, there is no need to be. The male and female breeders (or what would incorrectly be called the ‘alphas’) are completely sure of their status and they know they don’t need to go around bullying everyone else to make sure they know too.
linwau 1 month ago 2
@TheAbsolumER The only cases recorded where a wolf (or feral dog) rolls another over on his/her back forcefully was in order to kill it. the 'alpha roll' is not forced upon the offending wolf rather the lower ranking wolf is willingly rolling over to show submission.
linwau 1 month ago 2
@linwau try going to a dog run/park.....youll be able to record numerous cases of this roll and various types of corrections and communication amongst eachother....lol you cant be seriously that delusional.
DreamComeTrueK9 1 month ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 I have never seen a dog grab another by its neck and roll it over to show 'dominance'. I've seen it happen, yes, but only with the intent of a bloody attack. When I see dogs rolling over at the dog park, it's of their own freewill.
linwau 1 month ago 3
@linwau my advice to you then is to spend more time around dogs where you are actually aware and intune to their language. For you to actually leave a comment like that and believe that its true is astonishing. It happens in play and when a dog gets out of hand. stable dogs can pin and "fight" in a way that calms the dog that is out of line down, to the point of relaxation where they let up...as opposed to one that continues for a kill.
DreamComeTrueK9 1 week ago
@linwau ...yes, because if they don't...The alpha will do it for them
MrKp5259 1 week ago
@linwau ...For THOUSANDS of generations?!?!?!?! hahahahaha, you never were that good in math were you?!?!? hahahaha, next time you try to make a point...try not to be WRONG! hahahaha...you are funny
MrKp5259 1 week ago
haha @ 00:49 "thats better stay"
k39564 1 month ago
@aboutdogtraining3 Once again, nothing to substantiate anything you said, just more dysphemisms. Not losing any sleep here. I
TheDavidMarr 1 month ago
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@TheDavidMarr, of course you are not losing sleep. You an a psychopath who enjoys hurting animals. You'd need a conscience to lose sleep.
AboutDogTraining3 1 month ago
@AboutDogTraining3 Like I've said, I use much of his methodology in dealing with my dogs and I have top notch dogs if I do say so myself, that's as about as much science as I need frankly. Doesn't understand dogs? Check out the episode where he's in Australia working with a wiemaraner who was defensive of postal bikes. That session alone has shows how well he can read a dog.
TheDavidMarr 1 month ago
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@TheDavidMarr, incredible how many millan fanboy idiots can't even read the warning not to try his methods. Yes, the Rott was taken by Millan where he can continue to use violence or the threat of it to manage it. And the Aussie Postbike episode shows how much of an idiot Millan really is. His explanations were nonsense and the approach wrong-headed
AboutDogTraining3 1 month ago
@aboutdogtraining3 When I refer to dirty, it's purely figurative. I mean working with a dog which is lashing out during an intervention by Cesar. Not adoptable? Apollo never had a home to begin with, he was rescued by a young girl. Once rehabilitated, the dog was put under permenant care of Cesar's son Andre. Apollo has shown up in a couple episodes after the fact. Turned out to be a fine dog actually.
TheDavidMarr 1 month ago
(sorry I ran out of characters) ... but for people such as @AboutDogTraining3, get a life. A person with such a vast knowledge of dog behavior, must be up to their eyes in work. If you are, don't tell them about your youtube pass times, it'll just make you look like a douchebag.
TheDavidMarr 1 month ago
I get a kick out of the people who expend a scary amount of time and effort huddled behind their computer, ranting about how awful this guy is. Meanwhile, there are probably over a dozen dogs euthanized in the U.S. by the time it takes to write their stupid post (which nobody really reads anyways). Folks, you could have taken the accumulative time you spend spewing your nonsense to make a difference. You may not like it, but he gives dogs a chance at life that not many would have without him.
TheDavidMarr 1 month ago 2
@TheDavidMarr , Millan abuses dogs and his method has killed thousands from people copying his example and creating more aggressive dogs they can't handle. You are simply a fucking ignorant asshole troll. The scientific evidence is very clear. Get your head out of Millan's ass. There is a whole world of dog training based on evidence and free of violence.
AboutDogTraining3 1 month ago
@AboutDogTraining3 There is no doubting that dogs and people have been harmed due to copycats, that's why they plaster that big disclaimer at the beginning of the show. No matter if it's CM or Dr. Dunbar working with an aggressive dog, it's a dangerous situation. I'm trolling? Lol. Ok then
TheDavidMarr 1 month ago
@TheDavidMarr, Millan's methods are inherently dangerous for dog and human. Though every CM defender here claims to use "his" methods. Even a poorly trained R+ could never induce the aggression we see caused by Millan.
AboutDogTraining3 1 month ago
@AboutDogTraining3 Dealing with a dog you don't know, who is exhibiting the types of issues common with a Millan case is very dangerous. I can understand and appreciate his methods, but I wouldn't go to my friends house to deal with an aggressive Rotti. Something which can be consumed by his followers is the helpful book content which outlines raising a dog and UNDERSTANDING dog behavior. This includes recognizing when there might be an issue which requires pro. intervention.
TheDavidMarr 1 month ago
@TheDavidMarr, it's millan's methods that make it dangerous. He induces defensive aggression over and over again. And anyone following his methods experiences the same thing. That much has been obvious from all the people who defend him but qualify their posts when talking about their dog's response. Millan DOES NOT UNDERSTAND DOGS and we know that almost everything he claims has been scientifically refuted.
AboutDogTraining3 1 month ago
For instance, when I say I use CM methods, I use his view on dog behavior to analyze what I can do to better understand and satisfy my dogs needs from the moment they come in to my home. I've raised many exceptional dogs with his methods and I get noticed for it. There was a really good episode where he picked 4 or 5 different puppies and raised them for a year before putting them in homes, to show viewers how he raises a puppy ( Junior was part of this group).
TheDavidMarr 1 month ago
@TheDavidMarr, if you foolishly use Millan's believes to analyze behavior then you are screwed.
AboutDogTraining3 1 month ago
(Cont. 3) What you see on his show is often a product of months or years of very poor or no training whatsoever. You get to see the dirty side of working with a dog. I'm all about positive reinforcement and being opened minded about dog training, but I respect him. See the episode with the Rotti who was due to be put down the day after they showed up for auditions at PetSmart? Might not be everyone's cup of tea, but that dog would be in the ground if it wasn't for him.
TheDavidMarr 1 month ago
@TheDavidMarr, that's part of your problem. There is no dirty side to working with a dog. This dog didn't need more abuse, it's retarded to think that mistreatment would help a dog that is already fearful. And that Rottie, Millan couldn't make him adoptable, he had to take him.
AboutDogTraining3 1 month ago
@TheDavidMarr Thank you, at least someone gets it, unlike KnowsNothing AboutDogTraining3, who just spends their days stalking anyone who doesn't agree with their methods and feels the need to bash and undermine any one that sees differently. All it really shows is how insecure and desperate that person is. All I see is someone not at all confident enough with their own methods and needs the security and acceptance of people who see "their way." Totally pathetic, that is.
xWolfHauntx 1 month ago 2
Hi, my english isn't very good...I try :).. .Why are there people who think they treat dogs as humans is that correct? Dogs sometimes have an aggressive communication.
JoacoIngMex 1 month ago
I'm always so annoyed at people after watching any dog series. It's never the dog's fault if they behave out of control. Yet all the time people get pets when they don't know how to own them.
Cesar's methods might be new and strange but they work and act 'from the dog's level'
Kazuite6 1 month ago
What happened to this dog?
cooliobutthoolio 2 months ago
I love his methods. It's nice to see someone actually working through the dog's problems instead of humanizing them and drowning them with affection :3
Zis4Zorro 2 months ago 30
He didnt relax he was just tired as hell
mwoky 2 months ago
its amazing how often the word ineffective has sprung up in this conversation. what a load of rubbish you can clearly see that it works grow a brain people.
kathers15 2 months ago
I can guarantee that every single person against him can't control their dog. I'm a trainer and people treat their dogs like their people which they aren't. Those people shouldnt have dogs because they end up getting rid of them or caging them. You are the abusive ones.
GSDprideKVL 2 months ago 36
@GSDprideKVL Oh my god I hate it! My sister treats my two staffie's like bloody humans and she's always like "lets let them off the leash and let them socialize" i'm like FUCK YOU! YOU FUCKING MONGREL. YOU MEAN LET THEM KILL EACH OTHER? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DOMINATION AND SUBMISSION?
DistincTHD 3 weeks ago
@DistincTHD, she's the smart one, you are the idiot. Maybe if you were proactive about socializing the dogs they wouldn't be so reactive.
James98550 3 weeks ago
I sent a e-mail to youtube to take this video out! This guy is abusing a dog. He is strangeling a dog. And there is no reason - anyway! Its againt animal rights and really, If I were in the USA I would take him to court for such things. As well as the owners, cause looking someone how he is finding nice words for such a cruelty is so damn stupid and ignorant - they caused this. This guy is a danggler.. wo shouldnt be able to work with animals - and shouldnt be paid for abusing them.
Jasemin1 2 months ago
@Jasemin1 ya you should do something about it you should take him to court and say hes abusing dogs and let me no how that works out for you dumbass if he was abusing dogs he wouldnt be on tv peta have tried but cant stop him because hes not abusive
badabingrockford 2 months ago
@badabingrockford, he is abusing dogs and he is on TV.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@BeowoofOmega, liitle shit liar. Since you've already admitted to being a pedophile who is breaking parole by using the internet, it would be best if you simply went away. This retard has already admitted to having mutliple handles and said that he is about to drop this one because the authorities are closing in on him.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@BeowoofOmega "dont argue with a fool bc hell drag you down to his level and then beat you down with his experience"......."never argue with an idiot bc at first glance, it may be hard for spectators to tell who the idiot is" adt3 has been doing this for so long that at first glance many ppl could not tell who was who....problem now is that he has been doing it for so long...bc of this it is not a first glance for many, and most have figured adt3 out to be the troll that he is
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 , of course the retard Beowoof should argue with me. Specially since the turd is wrong and is trying to claim that pitbulls are inherently dangerous, and lying by claiming an article that survey newspaper headlines is a scientific paper. Of course an outdated, punishment based trainer like you wouln't know the difference between facts and fiction
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 sorry that you feel that way. doesnt make sense in my opinion but i hve no desire to attempt to debate w some1 whos only interest is to argue and agitate. Have a good day. We all look forward to maybe one day seeing some of your own videos. If punishment is such a bad thing you should send parents to jail for telling their kids that they are punished when they misbehave and take away their cellphone and send them to their room.......pure torture in your eyes
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 , your opinion is the problem. You are ignorant of the facts, ignorant of the science and you are using 100 year old methods based on fear and punishment.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 again sorry that you feel that way. Youre way must be the way of the future since new age dogs have gotten hip to old methods. I look forward to learning from your vids and methods (whether i agree or not i learn from it all)...next step would be for you to post some vids of your own...have a good day
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, your replies are so incredibly stupid, it's amazing that there are even stupider people paying for your services. The method of violence and fear that you use has been proven to cause a variety of problems in dogs. They are ineffective in training which is why all organizations moved away from these methods decades ago. When your life depends on a dog's training, Millan's way is the last thing trainers would try since it gives shut down dogs. Are u incapable of ready a book?
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 "dont argue with a fool bc hell drag you down to his level and then beat you down with his experience". "never argue with an idiot bc at first glance, it may be hard for spectators to tell who the idiot is". You are entitled to your opinion... perhaps some vids displaying your advanced experience that you attempt to beat us all down with would help to make you more credible. We look forward to this attempt
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, really you morons keep claiming that I am a fool, when in fact you guys are even too stupid to realize your mistakes. Time and time again, I've given documented evidence. Scientific papers showing that what I've been saying is correct and that your views are wrong.
Idiots like Blake Rodriguez partake in animal abuse and excuse it b/c they saw it on TV. BTW moron, try reading. I realize you are stupid and think that everything has to be on tv or video to be true... NOT SO!
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 i watch, read, observe and experience hands on every day (lol its what i do for a living). anyone who understands dog behavior/body language as a whole will tell u that it doesnt matter who you study under, what you read or watch from a human, you will learn more from observing dogs interact amongst each other, along with hands on experience. YOu are entitled to your opinion, although tv has nothign to do with anything here. No1 s trying to argue here but you
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, idiot. the evidence shows what you've copied from tv is a lie. What you do is hit dogs often enough and hard enough to shut them down. This is not some great skill. How may dogs have you titled? Zero. The facts, its not opinion. I am not making it up. your methods are dangerous and outdated.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 thanks for sharing the opinion that you are entitled to. wish you would one day strt sharing facts and not opinions of others...have a good day..still looking forward to seeing vids of your own
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, no idiot pay attention. It s not opinion. It is a scientific reality that dominance methods and punishment produces aggressive dogs. It is a fact that punishment suppresses behavior and induces learned helplessness. Science doesn't happen in youtube videos moron. Read the science literature.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 its actually dominance and abuse. for the first time u were sort of right about something. THat being said , that has nothing to do w me so why you keep talking to me about this is beyond me. But again you r entitled to your opinion. Sweet name calling. thatll really get ppl on your side thinking that you know what you are talking about.....Have a good day!
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, once again dog beater. It's not opinion that those who follow Millan's methods induce aggression on dogs. That's been well established. You really seem to be incredibly stupid - having so much trouble distinguishing between fact and opinion.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 HAHA those who follow? ok bud...thanks for expressing ur opinion. it appears u have ur facts a bit mixed up, but who am i to try and tell you anythign. Only thing ill get in return is your childish name calling n argumentative responses that are purely opinion based or "facts" based on ones lack of knowledge or experience with the specific topic. bottom line, if u r really interested n passionate about what u say, show us w your work.. youtube comments wont do much for ya
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, no idiot not opinion. Scientific fact. Maybe one day - enough neurons will fire in that little brain of yours so the concept becomes established. I know exactly who you are, a dolt who has decided quick money is made by copying the abusive practices he sees on TV.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 that will go a longer way then contradicting yourself regularly or the ones you claim are the pros when they actually agree w theories that go against what you originally brought them into the topic for. in the nicest, kindest way possible, your antics and attempts to know anything about dog behavior and how to work w severe problematic dogs is laughable at best. But of course you are entitled to your opinion and entertaining to us all.
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, the shit U peddle isn't used by anyone of note. Not people who turn out assistance dogs, not by the police or military (U'd think dominance would be important to them), not by sport competitors and not by working dog people.
The abuse U inflict on dogs induces learned helplessness & U sell it to uninformed consumers as obedience. SHAME
Here a lesson moron. Science isn't done on youtube. You have to read scholarly books and journals. Is this too hard for you to understand?
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 interesting opinion yet again...and yet again one that you are entitled to. not sure where u r going or what you are attempting but thanks for the read. have a good day
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, once again shit for brains. Not opinion. SCIENTIFIC FACT.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 your madeup opinion is getting old. nevertheless you are entitled to it, but evidence and studies show that what you claim is not proven. And what has been is generalized and not pin pointed on someone specifically. But of course you know all. This is why i look forward to you showing and teaching us the "correct and only way, that you have mastered" dont be selfish, share a video of your own for us. until then...whatever u say bud! have a lovely day!
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, RETARD, SCIENTIFIC FACT IS NOT OPINION.
What is truly old is the abusive and outdated practices you employ to control dogs. Violence as a means of training was dropped by competent trainers ages ago because we have better ways. The evidence shows that your methods induce defensive aggression, reactivity and generalized anxiety.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 fyi your opinion is getting less and less interesting and more and more annoyingly repetitive. but of course you are entitled to your opinion and allowed to comment on here. Hope that works out for ya
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, you moron while you can keep lying to people that the violent methods you picked up from tv groomer are useful, the evidence says they are ineffective. And once again retard, science is not a youtube video.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 still with the name calling i see...you are actually right for once...evidence does indeed show that violence is not the way to go when helping to rehab a dog. Its when u compare that to CM or myself that you lose everyone. Your repetitive comments are getting old and less entertaining. might have to end giving you the time of day here. boring. perhaps youll spark someone elses interest on here. enjoy your day, and good luck making a change through YT comments
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 if idiots like you were actually willing to learn instead of simply being a contrarian spouting pro-millan rhetoric, you would be treated differently. You morons simply cannot accept basic facts, repetition is required to get through that useless mellon resting on your neck.
What you do is violent. You punish animals for being scared, drive them into helplessness and sell it to your victims as calm/submissive.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 anyone could be just as annoying as you and respond back w trolling antics like yours. I could simply say that reading a book is ancient and outdated and TV and vids is the new and only way to learn and do things....but of course thatd just be silly. Almost as silly as your ignorant "outdated method" argument. or i could just respond by name calling and not making sense just as you do. But two wrongs dont make a right. So once again..u r entitled to your opinion
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, shit for brains. You've told many lies here, so I wouldn't be surprised by anything you say. Luckily, I can and have proven that your claims are lies. Millan's approach is the same pain based training that had been popular until the science of animal behavior showed there are better methods. Losers like you stick to it b/c you are too stupid or lazy to learn proper training methods.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 ohh yea....have a good day!!
DreamComeTrueK9 2 months ago
Merritt Clifton's article that the idiot copied, consisted of Clifton reading the newspaper on bite incidents and then coming to a conclusion based on this highly biased method of data gathering.
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
It should not come as a surprise that the idiot @BeowoofOmega doesn't know what he is talking about. The useless troll is only good for cut'n'pastes.
Risk factors associated with behavioral problems in dogs, JVBCAR Volume 6, Issue 4 , Pages 225-231, July 2011. In part the study reads "Breeds classified as potentially dangerous did not show aggressiveness more often than the remaining ones."
AboutDogTraining3 2 months ago
Why does he say "every dog has a limit, even pit bulls have limits." Like duh... you just stated that EVERY dog has a limit... Pit Bulls aren't some rare vicious breed of wild dog... hey are dogs... just dogs... And there my friends is why people have warped views on theses dogs...
RoscoTheRat 3 months ago
@RoscoTheRat he was merely saying pitbulls have their limits because many people regard them as the most dangerous of all dogs. sounded like he was simply making a point for the viewers.
soooooo89 2 months ago
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@soooooo89 He made it sound like they are scarier. :/
RoscoTheRat 2 months ago
How could you possibly be ignoring him if you continue to comment back?
animedog240 3 months ago
If you want to know what ADT is talking about, go on google and type in "Calming Signals Community. It teaches people that Dogs have Calming Signals which are made to calm down angry people or animals. Dogs don't want to be in a fight, if anything. Usually fighting is based off of fear. This aggressiveness is to protect themselves. Do you think dogs are aggressive because they want to be mean one day? Think about it.
animedog240 3 months ago
Why do you guys keep dogging ADT? Why don't you go look up the information yourself, or at least look at this from a different angle instead of being one sided.
animedog240 3 months ago
@BeowoofOmega, shit for brains quotes don't make up for lack of facts.
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
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@BeowoofOmega i think he meant to comment to himself w that response. lol not sure why he replied to you
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@BeowoofOmega, sure thing retard. But you still don't have anything intelligent to say or any evidence to offer up
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 hey fuktard shut your fuking criticism
Sparta861 3 months ago
@Sparta861, Stupid shit, the evidence refutes you.
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
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I don't think there's any need for name calling, but they still don't have any real evidence.
(In your defense)
"It is a good morning exercise for a research scientist to discard a pet hypothesis every day before breakfast. It keeps him young" <-- How is that even related? Do you realize that "discard" means to omit, dispose, or forget about? You just contradicted yourself.
"Science never solves a problem without creating ten more." <--This isn't related either.
animedog240 3 months ago
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@BeowoofOmega haha i know...post wasnt in any way related. What also got disregarded was a comment i made a while back which pointed out how their beloved "go to trainer" (ian dunbar) spoke about how limiting clickers were and spoke on how trainers these days are more of technicians/robots and lack a true person to dog genuine connection. this was a vid on YT over a dinner he had w Zak George
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@BeowoofOmega, the dog is being abused until it shuts down. Once it has gone into a state of catatonia, Millan calls it calm and submissive and lies to the people by telling them he did it with assertiveness even though we can all see he used violence.
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 - Actors who are acting and dogs in real life are not analogous. I don't care how much garbage this guy spouts about this poor dog being relaxed, the dog is NOT relaxed - I can see the whites of the dogs eyes (pure stress/fear) and it is panting like a steam train (more stress). Just because he says the dog is relaxed doesn't mean it is. I don't understand why people allow this barbarity with their dogs :(
frdrckcole 3 months ago
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@frdrckcole i think you might be misinformed based on what you hear. working w a dog like this is diff from a neutral level dog. This is life vs death
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
Try watching this video with the volume off. I've never seen such a stressed out scared dog in my life. This man is a bully.
frdrckcole 3 months ago 2
@frdrckcole try not folloing or copying what you read. makes no sense to not want to hear what is connected with the body language and sounds that the dog is making at certain times..they have meaning. Try watching a movie w no sound. U gunna tell me that the actors performed horribly w o hearing them perform? Thats silly
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
LOL !
marcostott 3 months ago
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haha
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@BeowoofOmega perhaps math isnt his strongest subject......hopefully its better than his dog behavior subject
MrBrod86 3 months ago
@BeowoofOmega - Nonsense. Dogs name was Riley. Video is on Natgeo site. Millan should've put more effort in getting his own brain to work. The dog's brain was working fine until Millan cut off its oxygen and blood supply by dragging the dog up the stairs with a choke chain. But you're right, he pulled, he dragged, he strangled, but he didn't push. Really, it was the builders fault for putting stairs in the house in the first place. Anyway, it's cdn thanksgiving. I don't have time 4 now.
naisayd 3 months ago 2
also still waiting for you to provide that video. Is it possible that you cant find one. Yes i know that you have given me a channel (that im already subscribed to) but i couldnt find a video that dealt w what we are speaking of. Since you brought the channel up im assuming and hoping that you can post the vid for us.
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@BeowoofOmega - Wow! You almost got something right. I agree dogs need leadership (not pack) and to be taught what we want. Millan doesn't do that, he forces compliance. What you got wrong is that we need to make decisions for them. We really need to teach them to make the right decisions and check with us if they're unsure. If a dog chooses 'bad' behaviour, then the problem is the reward structure. That's what needs to be addressed. However, that doesn't address the 'neutral' issue...
naisayd 3 months ago
@BeowoofOmega - The issue is not what, but how a dog should be taught. I'll repeat. The claim is that dogs which are not neutral need different training METHODS because they learn differently than those that are neutral. So neutral must mean something TO THE DOG, since the dog has to change the way it learns. You've presented no evidence for this and not even an explanation of it. It is simply asserted without proof, and can rightfully be dismissed without proof. Neutral argument is nonsense.
naisayd 3 months ago
“Your time is limited, so don’t waste it living someone else’s life. Don’t be trapped by dogma – which is living with the results of other people’s thinking. Don’t let the noise of other’s opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.” - Steve Jobs
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@BeowoofOmega wow naisayd has agreed and made an amazing breakthrough. Although he probably doesnt even realize and know that it was pointed out to him, will find a way o disagree or backout. Cant leave his leader adt3 out to dry lol
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@BeowoofOmega - Of course 'neutral' has to be explained. The claim is that dogs which are not neutral need different training methods because they learn differently than those that are neutral. For that claim to be true, neutral has to mean something to the dog. A dog cannot determine whether its behaviour is moral/immoral etc. Those are determined by human values. It can only determine if its behaviour is rewarding or not. Unless you can define a neutral point from the dogs POV, it's nonsense.
naisayd 3 months ago
@BeowoofOmega haha seriously.. its not that difficult. thank you
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@BeowoofOmega your dedication to remaining ignorant is admirable. Too bad you can't suggest any better method than science to discover what is true or not. The rest of the civilized world uses the scientific method, but if a retard like you has something better, don't keep it to yourself. Share with the class.
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
continud...we wouldnt need ppl like CM in our lives. Suggesting that what he does is entirely diff then what he usually teaches, or someone like kikopup does. All great at what they do but not the same. A ref for NHL pro hockey is not the same as tues night beer league puck refs.
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 - Professional vs amateur
A professional hockey coach teaches players what is expected, empowers and motivates them, so the team performs well together. The amateur feels a need to control and simply demands compliance.
A professional dog trainer teaches dogs what is expected, empowers and motivates them, so the team performs well together. The amateur feels a need to control and simply demands compliance.
naisayd 3 months ago
@naisayd lol ur hockey response was a good attempt but not at all the truth or how it works when regarding dogs or the sport. Ive explained numerous times what neutral is and u understand the definition very well but choose to play stupid. And again...let me know when you find a video that deals with what we speak of. But again we all know that you wont bc you know what my response will be simply bc you know the type of video you would post and how it wouldnt relate. this is obvious 2 us all
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, idiot. You are aware that the veracity and truth value of a statement does not depend on whether there is a youtube video or not. Read some fucking literature you twerp.
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 lol its not about a YT vid its abot being able to see it. Otherwise its all talk. There are soo many things that sound great and dandy but when attempting to put it to work, its a diff story. u already know this though, u just enjoy acting the way u do. if someone told u that a product was the best on the market, are u just going to read about it when you have the opportunity to see it work and be able to compare it? or just have someone sell it to you verbally? no brainer
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, that's what a tool like you doesn't seem to understand Science is not all talk. The findings are well described and the process well characterized, and it is a million times more reliable than the heavily edited version of reality we get from millan or your own pathetic copy at 'dog whispering'. BTW dumbass, when you take medications, you do exactly that. Take somebody's word, unless you happen to run clinical trials in your basement?
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 u are right, science is not all talk when it is proven or tested theory. But u cannot speak on the behalf of science as if it backs u up. Science is viewed valid n credible when it is tested or proven or there is evidence 4 all 2 see. u making something up n claiming it 2 b science does not make it so. Especially when u cant provide us any proof or actual video 4 the public 2 see. 1's unproven opinion doesnt count as a fact.
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
LOL naisayd and adt3 never cease to make me laugh w the responses that they come up with. usually good for a good laugh when i come home from work and read what they spent their day on. grown ups calling others uselesss turds an saying that CM views r unacceptable in mexican society??? LOLOLOL seriously? its hilarious
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 that's right asshole. Millan's sexist attitudes are not acceptable in Mexican society. They are the equivalent of the backwards views you might find in American rednecks, hicks, and hillbillies. That's the same type of thinking that Millan typifies.
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 lol what r u talking about!? wow
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
also show me this dunbar channel bc as a fan and someone who enjoys dunbars lectures..i have from day one asked ppl to show me dunbar working w a dog that is a severe case (not a simple issue), and show us him working throughout (similiar to some of my videos). Ive yet to see it. But then again he is someone that i have learned from. Im more interested in the "expert know it alls naysaiyd and adt3...still waiting on your vids. until then, your responses are just talk
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 - Dunbars channel is dogstardaily. You would know that if you ever bothered to look. You can search thru his vids. There's several. They're old and using out of date methods (i'm not impressed with them). I don't think Dunbar works with aggressives anymore. Dr Yin has some on superbark1. You will, of course say they're not severe and just minor issues. It doesn't matter, unless you precisely define severe (or neutral), it's just an unsupportable opinion.
naisayd 3 months ago
lol its amazing how outrageous and ridiculous extremet these two are. zero comprehension and to add to it, they are narrow minded know it alls. an effortless battle w them...but as we have mentioned before....its not about you and I or this vs that. Stop trying to go about dog training w such a narrow mind and focus on dog behavior and actual dog communication. The two of u continue to talk w zero evidence. It all sounds good but show us something that we can actually view
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 - We've been thru your video demand stuff before. I don't need to create vids. I don't claim to be a pro and I don't tell people to follow my example. I want people to do their own research, weigh the credibility of the data and its sources and come to their own conclusions. It should be easy. It's all the known behaviour scientists and pro orgs in an entire universe vs a guy on tv. The decision about who is more credible should be somewhat obvious, and it's not the tv guy.
naisayd 3 months ago
hey "AboutDogTraining3"
are you gonna continue trashing cesar? Because noone gives a rat's ass
atomichead777 3 months ago
the most interesting and fascinating comment made in part 4 of that video was mentioming CM's amazing and innovative way of thinking and handling circumstances..but more importantly he says something along the lines of "well i think if humans/owners were more responsible and Better owners, then perhaps we wouldnt need to go to ppl like CM" That right there shows the difference btwn your kind of training vs CM's wrk w severe cases and dogs...goes back to neutral vs below neutral level dogs
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 - Other than the owner issues, comments were just patronizing and of no significance at all.
First of all, he fails about 50% of the time. (from ultimate guide). Secondly, most of the dogs on the show are not severe. Which of the vids here on YT would you say was severe, if it wasn't Millan working with them, but somebody else, maybe Dr Sophia Yin? Thirdly, you have never yet defined or described the difference in the mental learning processes for dogs that behave poorly.
naisayd 3 months ago
@naisayd haha what "ultimate guide" are you talking about and who determines those statistics?? two id say that many of thecases that he works w both on and off the show are severe. obv not all but a good amount are. and if his cases are not severe id like to see vids of your ideal trainer working w one of those cases. We have still yet to see any of this type of perfect work that you speak of on a severe case
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, all the millanista idiots don't even bother to read Millan's books. Typical of the idiots who shill for Millan to simply know the talking points and mindlessly repeat the phrases they hear on tv. Of course it does take a low intellect and lazy dog owners to buy into the dominance message. Real training is far to complicated for these people
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 why would u reply to me and leave this comment? im not sure if you are talking to me about your made up word "millanist" or if you are putting me in that category as one and for some reason talkign to me in the third person. I really dont care but i am curious where you get the assumption that fans and supporters of CM dont read his books. I personally have read all but one. It sees you are back at it, attempting to pass your personal non proven opinions as facts.
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9, you useless turd, unfamiliar with the work of the man you mindlessly copy. Other than parroting what you see on TV, you are unable to bring anything to the table and your complete lack of understanding of psychology and dogs makes you a threat to them. BTW dumbass, the Ultimate Guide refers to "Dog Whisperer with Cesar Millan: The Ultimate Episode Guide" -- by the little known author Cesar Millan.
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 - How many times have we referenced the 'ultimate episode guide'. just google 978-1-4165-6143-9 It's Millans own book. That's where the stats come from. Severe is simply a matter of opinion, but it doesn't matter for my POV to be true. It does matter for you however, because you need to define neutral in terms of severity. Drs Sophia Yin and Dunbar both have vids of aggressive dogs on their respective channels. (I did not refer to it as 'perfect work')
naisayd 3 months ago
@BeowoofOmega i totally agree...!!
marcostott 3 months ago
hes back!!!! lol it was so peaceful for a while there.
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
I suggest you all watch the cesar millan mastering leadership volume 4 on youtube. Martin Deeley training a dog and cesar is with him. enjoy !
watch?v=VxtEZEvqG3w&feature=related
marcostott 4 months ago
@marcostott i watched about 5 min and now have to head out. But thankyou for introducing me to this channel. I just subbed and plan on watching all the videos.
DreamComeTrueK9 4 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 hey no problem. its cool to see cesar with a positive trainer....you can see cesar sometimes a little unsure at times and also tells a few pointers.
marcostott 3 months ago
@marcostott on another note. this episode was on tv the other day. The full episode is amazing and the work an patience that he had as well as the overall progress he made is displayed.
DreamComeTrueK9 4 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 it aired on NGC ??! a 2 hour special on the dog whisperer ?! cool. yeah its really nice to see another great trainer at work with cesar by his side !
marcostott 3 months ago
@marcostott I meant the episode of the vid on this page sorry. and Yes i agree its fantastic for ppl 2 see CM teaming up w a +R trainer that exchange in incorporate views and methods. Most of the questions that they asked e/o were not really bc they didnt know the answer but bc it would prob be a question that some1 viewing would have liked to ask or come across while trying it. I love this bc it incorporates different methods and techniques and stresses the importance or timing, why and when
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 - The whole DW show would have been much better for dogs if they had used a similar format to the vid, where CM went around to various trainers and demonstrated diff implementations and explanations of +R. They could have had full endorsement and recommendation by pro orgs. Instead, a business decision by CM, MPH, and NG led them to create a show focused mainly on drama and based on myths, folklore and legend. BTW - in case you missed it, Duneenzo left u comment on his channel.
naisayd 3 months ago
@naisayd thanks.. i have read it, responded and already read what Dun suggested. I agree that incorporating a bit of this more would be nice. But the show is not based on folklore and myths. that seems like an awfully bias opinion. What you should have gotten out of it is that a well known and respected +R trainer supports and agrees w CM's outlook on expanding what can actually be a reward. And CM promotes +R. Brings us back to square one when we said that this was the case.
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 - Most of what CM talks about on the show is based on folklore. In one episode he calls a dog "white fang" - from a childrens story. He has constantly referred to pack structure, dominance heirarchies etc, which have been disproven. The fact that he finally dropped most of the dominance stuff may indicate he does know better. Nobody disputes "life rewards". Never have, but it's not unique to CM. The issue is aversive methods on the show, not CM or what he does in other moods.
naisayd 3 months ago
@naisayd why would a +R trainer support and participate w CM in educating the public together if CM was as you claimed a dog abuser and someone that hurts dogs? Obv he doesnt. As ive said before its one thing to disagree w some methods here and there but to be extreme and claim that he is a murderer and animal abuser is just silly. Glad that you watched the vids though. Would be difficult to base a show on LEgend and myths and have such great success and results wouldnt it. Obv not the case
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 - I've never claimed he was a murderer. I don't recall even using the term abuser, although I think techniques like hitting, kicking, stringing, jerking etc are abusive and unnecessary. I'm far from extremist, but firmly believe aversive methods should only be used if all others fail. I also think it's abusive of both CM and NG to purposefully purvey false or misleading information regarding the nature, the character, the care and/or safekeeping of our companion animals.
naisayd 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 Dunbar explained his reason for working with Millan very clearly. It's to reach a greater audience. He has openly questioned this approach and in the TEDTalk video makes a reference to him w/o actually mentioning him. Dunbar is simply too polite to launch an all out attack on this idiot.
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
@marcostott 'cesar millan mastering leadership'' is a wonderful example of Millan's ignorance as well as a fine display of his sexist and equally outdated view of women.
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 his outdated view of women?? say what. what did he say about women?sexist....? cesar said he learned a lot about women thanks to wife(ex) illusion...geez havent you read cesar way and be the pack leader yet !?
marcostott 3 months ago
@marcostott it shows and disproves the idea that he is against other methods such as +R specifically and talks about how everythign around you can be a tool for training as well as be looked at as a reward for the dog. THat to me is great and the way it should be
DreamComeTrueK9 3 months ago
@DreamComeTrueK9 Millan has proven again and again that he really does not understand R+ or even what the word reinforcement means.
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
@marcostott another millan idiot who worships him without actually knowing what he says. He has claimed that women are not natural leaders because they are 'emotional' and animals don't follow emotional leaders. Men in his eyes are 'psychological' (whatever the fuck that means) and thus make better natural leaders....Other views on women also betray his sexist attitudes toward the female gender
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 dont u agree that in 'harsh' situations,women tend to sometimes dramatize and cry more where as men would keep their emotions inside
psychologytoday(DOT)com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200803/male-brain-vs-female-brain-i-why-do-men-try-figure-out-th-0
any women or men can learn the concept of calm assertive energy n be both equally good leaders, its about keeping your emotions aside when you really have to. and knowing WHEN it is ok to give emotions to our dogs.
marcostott 3 months ago
@marcostott actually millan's idiocy is multiplexed. Starting with the fallacious claim regarding leadership, followed by the lie about calm/assertiveness and topped off by his sexist comments about women.
AboutDogTraining3 3 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 hes not sexist lmao. he claimed that he was going to go to third world countries and teach men how to be better partners/husband to women. its on a video on youtube,ill post the link when i find it. wuts the lie about calm and assertive? you dont think we should be calm, clear, positive wtv you wanna call it , when training dogs?
marcostott 3 months ago
@marcostott - Millan certainly is sexist. He was so bad that his x-wife made him go to therapy to help him get over his macho crap. Not sure, but I think she kicked him out of the house, and wouldn't let him back in till he went (don't remember where I saw that). From a nytimes article; Ilusion says, recalling how her husband looked at the counselor and exclaimed, “She’s just like dogs!”. They're divorced now. Just because Millan claims something, that does not in any way, make it true.
naisayd 3 months ago
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@marcostott - Millan certainly is sexist. He was so bad that his x-wife made him go to therapy to help him get over his macho crap. Not sure, but I think she kicked him out of the house, and wouldn't let him back in till he went (don't remember where I saw that). From a nytimes article; Ilusion says, recalling how her husband looked at the counselor and exclaimed, "She’s just like dogs!". They're divorced now. Just because Millan claims something, that does not in any way, make it true.
naisayd 3 months ago
@marcostott<