Tea Party exercised political influence and brough about change because they VOTE!! The Occupy movement will have to OCCUPY THE POLLING BOOTH or NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE.
@gov360dotorg your so old school, man. Voting is worthless until there's someone to vote FOR. Hey, do you want a sharp stick in the eye or a cattle prod in yer nose. You have Choose. You Have to You have to. ... More people should RUN. and more people should pay attention to the 3rd party candidates... but voting Dem or Rep is just a waste of time. They are both bought an paid for.
George Carlin said it best when he said that the one thing the "powers that be" don't want is a population of informed citizens. That is bad for their agenda bc they need to keep people stupid so they will follow along ... In this light was the creation of the false two party system paradigm of which the tea party almost slipped away from and OWS is struggling (against a police state financed by the elite)
It's my belief that the best solution is the proper exercise if the constitution.
No more heckling Newts damn it. He can bury himself better then we can just by letting him speak. He's a criminal I get it but this cause cops to take violence out and makes us look stupid. We want the tea party don't do this and make us look like democrat zealots. We are the 99 percent not the 50 percent democrats.
Why is it that all the occupiers have to be given words to chant and repeat at all their rallies? Is this because they're just good little sheep that think, do and repeat what they're told? No self-respecting tea partier would ever sit still for that. How embarrassing for OWS!!!!!!!!!
@PJ916 It's to enhance the level of sound so that everyone in the area can hear what is being said. Not all the occupy camps are allowed amplification equipment so a call and response is used.
@huntingtonbeachify as a staunch supporter of the tea party ows is just a movement I cannot get down with you peoples idea's on liberty and prosperity are just way to different from mines.
There are a number of incidents of police brutality now and those incidents are happening in different parts of the country so isn’t that the jurisdiction of the FBI. It isn’t illegal to peacefully demonstrate, it is illegal to attack peaceful demonstrators and that is happening all across the country so why isn’t the FBI investigating this.
WAIT ONE GOD DAMN SECOND!!!! The first person that comments is that American Spectator trouble-maker Patrick Howley... What... am I the FIRST person to notice him?!
Great edit Flux (btw this is Rob) ~ I hope you don't mind my commentary: Prof. Lessig is selling a load of sh!t, here.
The crest that was the Tea Party movement had began by the hand splashing of Dick Army, Carl Rove, Glen Beck, Limbough, the anti-laborists of Bernie Marcus and Arthur Blank and the Koch Bros.
The above are the makers of talking point Zombie-Cons that comprise the Tea Party.
The Corp.s and an eternally corrupt collective that hold public office are equally to blame
I love all the people that can't see the dick even as it enters their asshole. Well, there are a great deal of dick to ass closet lovers in the GOP & their voting pool. No offence to open or closet beings with half a brain.
@BigBagsForRent We just can't think like that. We have to KNOW that change MUST happen. It's getting to a matter of survival at this point, and we're all in it together.
@BigBagsForRent Agreed.... as the cold winds blow through all of these cities. Vancouver might get a good strong turnout for a longer period of time because of the mild climate.... but alas, that is Canada - so who gives a *$)@!
@mcthorogood You are 100% right, and that's by far our toughest goal as far as I see it. We can convince ourselves much easier than we can convince the stereotypical Fox News viewer, however we need them the most. We need to find ways to bridge these cultural gaps and win them over. It won't be easy, and it won't be fun, but only after we've won their support can we expect any type of real change.
Oh brother, this guy is totally pie-in-the-sky. It's okay to have aspirations for newer and better things, but without using the methods we already have tat hand in the form of the vote and viable candidates for office who appeal to ordinary Americans none of the big changes he and others seek are going to occur. That's just the way it is.
@canalsoulclub I don't know where this rumor started up. It is perfectly legal to use a blow horn in NYC, maybe they're not allowed to set up a stage and have huge speakers, but a blow horn is fine. And it is like a cult. Because this same type of behavior has spread across the country at every occupy rally. Even in small groups in small cities, they are saying a few words and repeating it. Furthermore, in every video I've watched, you can hear the speaker perfectly, without the crowd repeating
@bweazel It's not a "rumor", the police specifically requested that the protesters don't use sound equipment, despite the law. Of course, the copying of that behaviour in small groups is stupid, but always remember that's it's about getting people OUTSIDE the protest to hear.
@canalsoulclub Who cares what they request? It's not against the law to use a megaphone. Sorry. Yes, you probably need a permit to set up a stage and speakers, but they don't need to do that. Clearly, it is not so people can hear the message, if they would just raise their voice they could easily get everyones attention. This is seriously cultish stuff. Sure, sure, you keep telling yourself it's to get people outside of the protest to hear, I'll keep telling myself it's brainwashing
Why not use a microphone. I don't get it. The message is great but I couldn't here all of it very well because of the traffic in the background..........There is nothing wrong with being heard in public speaking. Use a mic next time.
The OWS is just an off-shoot of the Tea Party Movement. The TeaParty wants a return to sane governance - no bailouts, no crony capitalism, and a return to democracy. The OWS movement differs in that they seek to redistribute the wealth and the TeaParty seeks to improve everyone's wealth. A fundamental difference, but many of the OWS demands are in line with the TeaParty.
@RegioLunar NO ONE is talking about total deregulation. The President has made a reduction in regulation as part of his effort to increase jobs. Any small business owner will tell you in no uncertain terms that regulations and compliance issues are very costly. A friend of mine opened a small olive oil business on the main street of my city, she paid over $40,000 for compliance, fees and regulations. I ask you - is this encouraging more jobs and businesses or not?
@MrJohngalt2011 "that regulations and compliance issues are very costly."
Well as our entire meat market over here is centralised through the very same costly regulations it´s a question of the structure not of the regulations per se.
I don´t want everyone posing as a snakeoil salesman so SOME regulations MUST remain in place.
this movement is not communists its every one. i love capitalism but the corruption within it needs to go. this man speaks sense we need to all be on the same side
@imN0Ttheone Yeah, only that "our socialist system" is Rhenish capitalism and i´ve found more teabaggers spewing nonesense about "zionist banker elites" than anyone on the planet.
Reality check?
And such fantasy remarks and bigotry is the reason why the OWS hopefully won´t accept the bulk of the teabaggers.
Those with active brains left after the "let ´em die!" incident anyway...
What he said is very important, especially towards the end. Real change must come from the people as a whole, despite certain ideological differences. Everybody agrees that the people are the ones who should be in power, and that is solidarity. We can dispute conservatism and liberalism later, right now nobody is being heard or represented.
Tea Party exercised political influence and brough about change because they VOTE!! The Occupy movement will have to OCCUPY THE POLLING BOOTH or NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE.
gov360dotorg 1 week ago
@gov360dotorg your so old school, man. Voting is worthless until there's someone to vote FOR. Hey, do you want a sharp stick in the eye or a cattle prod in yer nose. You have Choose. You Have to You have to. ... More people should RUN. and more people should pay attention to the 3rd party candidates... but voting Dem or Rep is just a waste of time. They are both bought an paid for.
FluxRostrum 1 week ago
George Carlin said it best when he said that the one thing the "powers that be" don't want is a population of informed citizens. That is bad for their agenda bc they need to keep people stupid so they will follow along ... In this light was the creation of the false two party system paradigm of which the tea party almost slipped away from and OWS is struggling (against a police state financed by the elite)
It's my belief that the best solution is the proper exercise if the constitution.
MrEveryman76 3 weeks ago
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No more heckling Newts damn it. He can bury himself better then we can just by letting him speak. He's a criminal I get it but this cause cops to take violence out and makes us look stupid. We want the tea party don't do this and make us look like democrat zealots. We are the 99 percent not the 50 percent democrats.
DionAFields 2 months ago
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Read this book: From Dictatorship to Democracy.
It has been credited for much of the strategies that have led to successful people's resistance movements across the world in recent years!
teknoah 2 months ago
Why is it that all the occupiers have to be given words to chant and repeat at all their rallies? Is this because they're just good little sheep that think, do and repeat what they're told? No self-respecting tea partier would ever sit still for that. How embarrassing for OWS!!!!!!!!!
PJ916 3 months ago
@PJ916 It's to enhance the level of sound so that everyone in the area can hear what is being said. Not all the occupy camps are allowed amplification equipment so a call and response is used.
sibbothecat 2 months ago
OCCUPY LA here and I say tea party and OCCUPY come together to bring down the international bankers.
OWS
huntingtonbeachify 3 months ago
@huntingtonbeachify as a staunch supporter of the tea party ows is just a movement I cannot get down with you peoples idea's on liberty and prosperity are just way to different from mines.
MrMalcolm900 2 months ago
@MrMalcolm900 you must get down with us if we want to win. Lets agree with RON PAUL and the constitution brother :)
huntingtonbeachify 2 months ago
Good speech.
CorneliusFractogram 4 months ago
Ayn Rand was a fortune teller in her writings... Amazing.
exnavymid 4 months ago
Reminds me of David Koresh. Nice cult - when do they drink Kool Aid? Lawrence Lessig is one peculiar guy.
exnavymid 4 months ago
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There are a number of incidents of police brutality now and those incidents are happening in different parts of the country so isn’t that the jurisdiction of the FBI. It isn’t illegal to peacefully demonstrate, it is illegal to attack peaceful demonstrators and that is happening all across the country so why isn’t the FBI investigating this.
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
I swear... this Howley dude and Lessig's body language and the way they make eye contact just prior to Lessig is incredibly suspicious.
Rousseauist1 4 months ago
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WAIT ONE GOD DAMN SECOND!!!! The first person that comments is that American Spectator trouble-maker Patrick Howley... What... am I the FIRST person to notice him?!
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Great edit Flux (btw this is Rob) ~ I hope you don't mind my commentary: Prof. Lessig is selling a load of sh!t, here.
The crest that was the Tea Party movement had began by the hand splashing of Dick Army, Carl Rove, Glen Beck, Limbough, the anti-laborists of Bernie Marcus and Arthur Blank and the Koch Bros.
The above are the makers of talking point Zombie-Cons that comprise the Tea Party.
The Corp.s and an eternally corrupt collective that hold public office are equally to blame
Rousseauist1 4 months ago
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Rousseauist1 4 months ago
it was a bit wired at first like cult but the rest pretty good when Lawrence Lessig
ewigkase1 4 months ago
What does the finger shaking mean at end of video?
felipealvarez1982 4 months ago
@felipealvarez1982 It means that the agree with something.
SequencedNG 4 months ago
I love all the people that can't see the dick even as it enters their asshole. Well, there are a great deal of dick to ass closet lovers in the GOP & their voting pool. No offence to open or closet beings with half a brain.
MrMikehuntertz 4 months ago
Can't wait to see how this all plays out. I think, unfortunately, it'll slowly peter out over time.
BigBagsForRent 4 months ago
@BigBagsForRent We just can't think like that. We have to KNOW that change MUST happen. It's getting to a matter of survival at this point, and we're all in it together.
chaosclockswatermelo 4 months ago
@BigBagsForRent Agreed.... as the cold winds blow through all of these cities. Vancouver might get a good strong turnout for a longer period of time because of the mild climate.... but alas, that is Canada - so who gives a *$)@!
exnavymid 4 months ago
The 99% have to convince the 53% that the 1% are screwing all of us.
mcthorogood 4 months ago 3
@mcthorogood You are 100% right, and that's by far our toughest goal as far as I see it. We can convince ourselves much easier than we can convince the stereotypical Fox News viewer, however we need them the most. We need to find ways to bridge these cultural gaps and win them over. It won't be easy, and it won't be fun, but only after we've won their support can we expect any type of real change.
chazboski 4 months ago
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mcthorogood 4 months ago
Oh brother, this guy is totally pie-in-the-sky. It's okay to have aspirations for newer and better things, but without using the methods we already have tat hand in the form of the vote and viable candidates for office who appeal to ordinary Americans none of the big changes he and others seek are going to occur. That's just the way it is.
CarlaFWard 4 months ago
Would you all please stop the repeating shit? You sound like a bunch of brain dead cultists.
bweazel 4 months ago
@bweazel They are not allowed to use sound systems, so they repeat it in order to take the speeches to all the protesters and away.
canalsoulclub 4 months ago
@canalsoulclub I don't know where this rumor started up. It is perfectly legal to use a blow horn in NYC, maybe they're not allowed to set up a stage and have huge speakers, but a blow horn is fine. And it is like a cult. Because this same type of behavior has spread across the country at every occupy rally. Even in small groups in small cities, they are saying a few words and repeating it. Furthermore, in every video I've watched, you can hear the speaker perfectly, without the crowd repeating
bweazel 4 months ago
@bweazel It's not a "rumor", the police specifically requested that the protesters don't use sound equipment, despite the law. Of course, the copying of that behaviour in small groups is stupid, but always remember that's it's about getting people OUTSIDE the protest to hear.
canalsoulclub 4 months ago
@canalsoulclub Who cares what they request? It's not against the law to use a megaphone. Sorry. Yes, you probably need a permit to set up a stage and speakers, but they don't need to do that. Clearly, it is not so people can hear the message, if they would just raise their voice they could easily get everyones attention. This is seriously cultish stuff. Sure, sure, you keep telling yourself it's to get people outside of the protest to hear, I'll keep telling myself it's brainwashing
bweazel 4 months ago
@bweazel why don't you go down there with one and use it, then.
FluxRostrum 4 months ago
@canalsoulclub You know.... now that I think about it, you know what this really reminds me of? Kindergarten. Is snack and nap time up next? ;)
bweazel 4 months ago
I could not agree with this awesome leader and awesome speech more.
cloffff 4 months ago
I wonder if any thought-fascists walked by and yelled at Lawrence Lessig that he should get a job.
DoctorMandible 4 months ago
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@DoctorMandible "any thought-fascists"
Allready underway and promoting Orwelian doublethink along the lines of "This movement is started by undecover cops and FBI agents."
Yeah nobody kicks our ass and IF we´re it behind it.
RegioLunar 4 months ago
Why not use a microphone. I don't get it. The message is great but I couldn't here all of it very well because of the traffic in the background..........There is nothing wrong with being heard in public speaking. Use a mic next time.
MebAbSebseb 4 months ago
This is what democracy looks like!!
jimbo8691 4 months ago
@jimbo8691 Open forum discussions. Good to see engaged ppl at work.
Let´s hope this well meaning spirit prevails!
RegioLunar 4 months ago
HUMAN NEED OVER HUMAN GREED
FMLYHM123 4 months ago 8
God Bless you and all your work!
IgnacioAgramonte 4 months ago
The OWS is just an off-shoot of the Tea Party Movement. The TeaParty wants a return to sane governance - no bailouts, no crony capitalism, and a return to democracy. The OWS movement differs in that they seek to redistribute the wealth and the TeaParty seeks to improve everyone's wealth. A fundamental difference, but many of the OWS demands are in line with the TeaParty.
MrJohngalt2011 4 months ago
@MrJohngalt2011 "improve everyone's wealth."
By total deregulation which is one of the causes of this mess to begin with...
RegioLunar 4 months ago
@RegioLunar NO ONE is talking about total deregulation. The President has made a reduction in regulation as part of his effort to increase jobs. Any small business owner will tell you in no uncertain terms that regulations and compliance issues are very costly. A friend of mine opened a small olive oil business on the main street of my city, she paid over $40,000 for compliance, fees and regulations. I ask you - is this encouraging more jobs and businesses or not?
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@MrJohngalt2011 "that regulations and compliance issues are very costly."
Well as our entire meat market over here is centralised through the very same costly regulations it´s a question of the structure not of the regulations per se.
I don´t want everyone posing as a snakeoil salesman so SOME regulations MUST remain in place.
RegioLunar 4 months ago
this movement is not communists its every one. i love capitalism but the corruption within it needs to go. this man speaks sense we need to all be on the same side
unsystematic7 4 months ago
Thanks for posting! :)
strangersound 4 months ago
I don't think the Tea Party people want to hang with communists , marxists and anti semites .
imN0Ttheone 4 months ago
@imN0Ttheone And i don´t think OWS wants to hang around with FOX news viewers..
RegioLunar 4 months ago
@RegioLunar I doubt german socialists like you appeal to the average American either . Let me guess you want to kill all the jew bankers ?
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@imN0Ttheone Yeah, only that "our socialist system" is Rhenish capitalism and i´ve found more teabaggers spewing nonesense about "zionist banker elites" than anyone on the planet.
Reality check?
And such fantasy remarks and bigotry is the reason why the OWS hopefully won´t accept the bulk of the teabaggers.
Those with active brains left after the "let ´em die!" incident anyway...
RegioLunar 4 months ago
Smart fellow. Burn down the Straw-Man !!! Come together in the middle and unite against the corruption.
hellavadeal 4 months ago
What he said is very important, especially towards the end. Real change must come from the people as a whole, despite certain ideological differences. Everybody agrees that the people are the ones who should be in power, and that is solidarity. We can dispute conservatism and liberalism later, right now nobody is being heard or represented.
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