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  • hot dang man, that sucks so much, right as you layed it down from the slapper, it got away from you, and to see that beautiful bike flying on it's side, i'm sure it was a sad moment. You are extremely lucky to be alive, if you would have hit a sign, or a mileage marker, it could have seriously ruined your day. I'm glad yer okay.

  • It happened so suddenly, nothing he could of done.

  • why didn't the fellow rider stop? maybe he was fixed on a spot... horrible. happy the guy is decently ok, but this video also shows good people out there... =)

  • I live in Kansas and shoulderless roads like this are gravel magnets. Insane to speed on them because cars always kick gravel up on the pavement.

  • @ 00:38 you see a reflector pole. his bike and left arm seem to hit it.

  • So much for fingerless gloves.

  • what kind of asshole wouldnt help a fellow rider if he see's a crash 1:24

    glad your friend is alright though

  • sorry for the crash, and don't get me rong , you should probably use some protectiv gear next time you ride , sorry for my eng

  • Don't worry it's only a polaris product JUNK!

  • If you read the yellow sign at about 0:32 it says the recommended speed for that corner is 30mph, if he was going 80 that's his fault that he needed to brake during the corner. Should have slowed down much before. My first crash was because I was going to fast, I've learned to slow down a lot before corners now!

  • I test road a Victory Vision at Americade. Was the scariest, wobbliest flexiest machine I have ever ridden. And I ride on the track. You didn't setup for that turn with a good path of travel, and you overbraked when you got into trouble. You didn't have a slapper - what happened was your rear end was fishtailing because you locked it up and then ran out of road. Its rider error. But that bike is a big heavy flexy mess. I would never trust that thing. I'd take a few riding courses too.

  • It looks like on the fight turn he went airborne for a split second and did not had grip on the front tire

  • what a fucking dumbass

  • hey man sorry for the crash, did i see sum 1 ride past with out helpin at 1:24

  • @harley84fly i saw it too, what an ass

  • what did he do wrong to get into accident like that?

  • @AigoSam panicked locked up the rear and froze a bit. he could easily have made the turn just by steering the bike. hope hes ok now.

  • nice protective gear

  • I feel sorry for the guy but OH F***ING WHY hasn't he got sufficient protective gear on??? It just doesn't make sense. I crashed with full gear on at 70mph and puntured a lung.... you're asking for trouble!

  • I have to be honest I dont see what he did, it wasnt that sharp of a turn, and nothing pulled out in front of him? All of a sudden he is out of control? Im very glad he is ok, Best wishes to his speedy recovery!

  • MORE GEAR.... Glad to hear he's ok.

  • Man, that shouldn't have happened. Sorry about your buddy's crash. I hope he's recovered from this crash.

  • I'm in the hospital right now because of one of these.

    mine was because of the vibrations in the bike combined with ruts in the road for drainage.

    I merged into a lane on I-80 in nebrasknta that had drainage grooves going 75 (the speed limit) and the vibrations got really bad--about 45 degree angles side to side. it got to the point i just couldn't hold it up, and i went over the handlebars broke fibula and tibula in my left leg-- needed plate and 6 screws put in. glad i was wearing full gear!!!

  • I didnt see no pole :(

  • no braking in the curve fellow

  • Ouch, I didn't even see the post that he hit at first. I had to roll it back a couple times, then I could feel my face hurting.... :(

  • ouch hope ur ok now xx

  • hmmmmm.......

  • This video is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    i love the whole sitting next to the bike being all pathetic after the crash i think someone just need a hug after that

  • Is it just mee or did the rear tyre drifted a bit and regained grip suddenly and then made the bike tankslapping, it was like a higside but you didnt got kickied over your bike, it just got your bike to tankslap.

    i figured this cause right before you take the corner you are turning your handlebars to the right, doesnt look like counter steering but more like trying to stop what ive just explained above

    could this be the cause?

  • Thanks for posting this video. It took a lot of courage. I learned from this. I ride a Goldwing and ride it hard just like you were doing on your Vision. Makes me realize how fast things can go wrong. Thanks again and best of luck.

  • Can you say what caused the bike to begin wobbling? I think it may be very useful for other riders to know. I had a similar issue but didn't go down. I was chaning lanes across a very wide tar snake and my back tire scooted along and almost sent it out. I was able to bring it under control but it was raining and the tar snake was very wide. Not a good ised to change lanes across something like that.

  • @bubbwe He just drove it off the road and low-sided in the gravel/rocks.

  • Man, could've been a lot worse. I rarely ever post comments, but you need to get better riding gear. You spent a bunch on that bike, just drop around $1K more and protect yourself. Feeling the breeze isn't worth blood on the face. CE approved armor brother. Heal up, fix your bike and get back on it.

  • The reflector pole caused all the damage. It smashed my sun glasses into my left eye area causing all the blood and requiring 10 stitches below the left eye. I was wearing an Arai ¾ face helmet but also have a full face helmet and I believe if I was wearing it I would have been worse off as the pole would have busted the face shield and jammed the pieces into my face and eyes. I also have jackets with armor but they would not have made a difference in the position the pole hit my shoulder.

  • Unlikely a full face helmet visor would have broken. Arai test their visors by firing a 1 gram lead ball bearing at it at over 300 mph. Glad you werent too badly hurt mate.

  • @okcook Best idea is to actually "learn" how to ride. If you really need that "armor", maybe you should consider a different hobby. BTW, I've "only" been riding 52 years, current ride is a 475hp Boss Hoss, so what do I know?

    If I had to "armor up" just to get on one of my bikes, I'd just sell 'em.

  • @flyboyustabe

    Well you don't get in a lot of trouble, when you are only doing straight roads.

    Get a racebike and take it to a track, and see how your 52years of riding is working out for you.

  • @flyboyustabe Another invincible bad ass right there.

  • @flyboyustabe Another invincible bad ass right there. This is the kind of attitude that puts people off the sport every year. I know what I'm doing, I don't need gear. No amount of "knowing how to ride" is going to prevent you from the possibility of being in a accident.

  • Brother all that matters is you survived. Not to try to add insult but nearly 80 on the River Road is not wise. That road sneaks up like a rattler and strikes hard.

  • My friends Kevin and Bruce who were riding with me were totally awesome. I was so blessed to have them with me and I hope if any other rider goes down they will have as good of friends with them as I did. They were on top of every little detail and I will be eternally grateful for their help, support and friendship!

    Everyone from the wreck site all the way back to Dallas were incredible. When you are in rural America people put people first and they will give you the shirt off their back.

  • So we know you're ok...now. How about the bike? It looks like the tip overs did their job and the bike did not land on you or destroy all the expensive body work - so...what did get broken?

  • Thanks, I am doing ok and will be fine. The tip-over protectors really worked well protecting the bike and me. The reflector pole did almost all the damage to the bike and me. The pole hit the left fairing in front of the rearview mirror and broke the turn signal lens, the fairing piece there, the aluminum cover in front of the windshield, broke some of the composite sub frame behind the fairing pieces and bent the lower bracket for the front tip-over protector.

  • Almost all the damage to me and the bike was caused by hitting that reflector pole. If I wouldnt had hit the reflector pole both the bike and I would had been able to continue our 9 day trip. The pole hit me across the eyes and pushed my sunglasses into my face requiring 10 stitches below my left eye and the pole hit my left shoulder fracturing it. I got the stitches out yesterday and looking good and the shoulder should be like new in another 7 to 9 weeks.

  • From the vid it looks like the windshield plopped off and causing the gash to your open face.

  • After the wreck I thought I should have had my full face helmet but the doctor in the emergency room who sees a lot of bike accidents said the pole would have shattered the visor cover on the full face and driven these pieces into my face. He said I was lucky to be wearing my ¾ face helmet that day.

  • Full face helmet visor would not have shattered. Most head injury happen to the front of the face . Stop with the lame excuses for not having gear that could have prevented many of your injuries.

  • I was riding the Vision. I was using light rear brake to slow before the corner but then panicked and applied too much front brake which caused the front end to dive and the transfer of weight to the front tire caused the rear tire to start skidding and sliding to the right in the turn. This caused the bike to go into a tank slapper.

  • Too much front break ...yeah I would say so especially when you went off roading with your ape grip on the front brake.

  • Thanks for the analysis. I just started riding again after about a 25 year layoff. I currently own a Victory 92TC and would like to get a vision tour someday. That was a pretty scary video. I have never seen that happen quite like that.

  • Used rear brake and panicked.

  • As a friend on another forum says: "they don't call 'em fingerless gloves for nothing!"

    Gear saves skin!

  • They say the same for open-faced helmets.

  • Slowing down before the turns and accelerating through them is what keeps the suspension working. Slow down, get some gear enroll in you local MSF course and live to ride another day.. Thank God your alive.

  • I agree in slowing down. I think the MSF course is a good start but I would also recommend taking the advanced class they offer as well as Jerry Palladinos Ride like a Pro classes or study his DVDs. Another great book and course is Lee Parks Total Control. I have learned a lot from all of these courses but as I have learned in this incident accidents can still happen and you can still make mistakes.

  • Got spooked by that turn going down hill I see.

    Just wondering why he was not wearing a full face helmet, and at least a riding Jacket?

  • Ouch.....glad your okay...how fast were you running?

  • He was doing close to 80 MPH before he started braking.

  • Thanks a lot for posting this. It's a good lesson. I recently locked up my rear tire in a panic stop on my HD Ultra. I almost high-sided but came out of it just in time. I decided to start looking for a bike with ABS. I went on the Victory forum and started asking about the Vision. The people there told me that with the linked braking system, there is no need for ABS on a Vision. I think this proves otherwise.

  • You can get into a tank slapper situation with or without ABS. ABS won't prevent that from happening because it has to do with how the suspension is compressed and loaded when braking. Upsetting the bike in the turn caused this to happen by throwing too much weight to the front wheel while in a turn which causes a tank slapper. ABS may be a great thing, though, but it's not the fix for upsetting the bike.

  • Big Bend is a great area, Mt. Guadalupe is also wonderful. After hiking I would rather drive home in a car, if I didn't I would wreck exactly like this guy and worse.

  • Best wishes for a speedy recovery!

    Hope everything will be Okay in the end...

  • We had a couple in a red car that were very helpful, a guy pulling a trailer who was the one that called 911, 2 bikes (including me) who were with the downed rider, a state trooper, a deputy sheriff, and a state park ranger, as well as an ambulance, emergency personnel and then later a tow truck and driver. It's best to not try to determine the details when you've seen only 5 minutes of a 45 minute video from a 170 degree fisheye lens on the downed riders helmet. :)

  • Couldn't you have just kept quite about the details and let us all feel superior if only for a brief moment?

    Glad he's healing, good job on the response.

  • I feel it's my obligation to keep everybody in check. Afterall, there can be only one that's superior, right? :)

  • amen Fergy! A- holes that were not there should keep their comments to themselves! You and I were there and know what happened. Craig is our friend and we did what we could!

  • Ok sorry your off the hook, but there were others that passed and kept going. Perhaps they saw others on the scene and chose to not get in the way. lets just say if there weere A holes they are A holes LOL

  • I Hope your alright man, from the blood it looked like a busted nose.

    Ive had My vision up to 110 mph without any wobble. I think ill re think the over the triple digit marks next time

    I too am more P.Oed on the a holes that kept going ! Thats BS

  • Ok, to set the story straight, the two assholes people keep talking about would be me and the 3rd person in our group, Bruce. What the camera doesn't show, is how steep the hill was. The 170 degree fisheye lens on the camera flattens everything out and makes the turns look straight and the hills look flat. The reality was that when we passed him on the ground, we had to go down the road a little to park the bike so it wouldn't be on such a slope that it would fall over. So, there you go... :)

  • Wow that was wild. Never seen a vision just go into a wobble like that. Would like to hear from that rider how that happen? Also those dirt bags who rode by and left you there could clearly see you went down. I hope some day they need help and dont get it either.

  • I was riding the Vision when it went out of control. As I was entering the turn I applied front brake and rear brake but this time as you can see in the video there was a big shift in the bikes weight towards the front end and you see the bike diving. With this transfer of weight the rear tire began to skid and slide which put the bike into a tank slapper going into a corner which is really hard to recover from. I have never had the rear tire skid on me like this before even in panic stops.

  • I was riding the Vision when it went out of control. As I was entering the turn I applied front brake and rear brake but this time as you can see in the video there was a big shift in the bikes weight towards the front end and you see the bike diving. With this transfer of weight the rear tire began to skid and slide which put the bike into a tank slapper going into a corner which is really hard to recover from. I have never had the rear tire skid on me like this before even in panic stops.

  • I've had a tank slapper a year ago on Cherhola Skyway in North Carolina. The Vision is a great handling bike. However, under very heavy braking in a turn, it can easily go into a tank slapper situation. Firming up the suspension would help the bike handle much better although it would take away some from the cushy crusing. After my incident and Craig's, I'm now interested in improving the stock suspension on the Vision.Just my 2 cents.

  • ViperFergy,

    Thank you and your buddy for the post.  I know it had to be a difficult decision to post this video. I am happy to hear that the rider is recovering.

    Take care.

  • full face helmet!

  • Sorry to hear about your buddy. I hate to see anyone go down. Visions hold up pretty well due to the tip overs. They probably saved his left leg too. How fast was he going?

  • 32 sec is left sign? does it go right

  • Seems like there were uneven areas in the pavement of the road that may have caused the loss of control.

    My problem is the other vehicles that left him there... Another Vision rides by @1:24 into the vid & then a minivan stops & then proceeds at 2:53 or so also...

  • For the record we didnt leave him behind! There was no where to pull over had to stop 100 yds ahead then run back to lend aid! If you were not there don't post idiotic comments!

  • I sure hope he is alright. It looks like he was going at a good clip. I imagine it could have been a lot worse. What's up with the dude on the other Vision that just kept driving by at 1:24 and the van that stopped then kept going at 2:48?

    Not sure if I would want to see my own crash revisited on screen.

    If anything we would like some insight from the rider and maybe this video can prevent someone else from suffering the same misfortune.

  • What caused the crash? Just looked like he might have been going a bit too fast and got suprised by the corner ahead? Or did the bike just go into a wobble? Weird..

  • Damn- hope he gets better soon. Thats a hard hit

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