Can we stop all this debate and just save the school. The Tory council wants to move us. What's going to happen to the site where everyone is so happy? They are destroying our community and probably lining their pockets in the process. Weird that the school burnt down just before the proposal to build football pitches, the whole thing reeks of conspiracy. There can be no other reason for closing what is a beautiful school. Who stands to make the profit out of our school closing.
From R. Steiner exists 370 Books an very human text. (Very christian) But also the Anthroposphy have enemies and they want to disturb this work, and are searching, what can be bad, or sounds bad. (I am sorry, my english is´nt the best)
I think you'll find the people who write critical things about rudolf steiner are often extremely well informed about the nature of the cult-like pseudo religion anthroposophy which underlies the education and other anhroposophoical organisations; they don't need to search for "what can be bad"- it's there in his work; yes, he wrote good things too. One of the biggest criticisma as far as I personally am concerned is the lack of disclosure about anthroposophy, and it's race doctrine.
@tenguineas."I think you'll find the people who write critical things about rudolf steiner are often extremely well informed about the nature of the cult-like pseudo religion anthroposophy" YOU ARE CHOKING; THE OPPOSIT IST THE TRUTH. I KNOW QUIET WELL WHAT IT IS. BUT THE CRITICAL MOST LIE: ALSO YOU, BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE WHAT YOU SAY! WHY YOU DONT FIRST INFORM YOURSELF, BEFORE YOU SAY SUCH CRITICAL WRONG THINGS?
Those susceptible to the media brainwashing instead of the abundant sacred spiritual awareness all around us, are the very ones trapped by the corporate pseudo religion of commerce, greed, and the hoarding of land for golf courses, shopping malls and indoctrination centers. Honestly, I get a sad sense you really do not know what you are talking about. Put aside your fear and be free to be who you really were meant to be as nature intended.
Steiner's work is available, on Amazon and the net; not all of it, the most extreme iss only available to members of the anthrposophical society, and much hasn't been tranlted either. Some books "Limestone to Lucifer" for instance, mysteriously has a race passage missing. Some has been sanitised. So, if his work is innocuous, his beliefs acceptable , why aren't they ever mentioned on school websites, on waldorf promoting videos here for instance? Think it may out people off..
Mr Skimmity- " to help children mature into their physical bodies" hmmmnnn, if you've read steiner ATALL, you quickly realise that the enire doctrine is about past and future, "incarnating"- what's the difference? Incarnating from their previous life, the spirit world, it's all the same supernatural, occult belief, so don't try to white wash with sematics. I always amazes me when teachers pretend it isn't about these things; if you did the steiner training, nearly all the books are anthro
..continued quote.." And world history will consist of that which will lead to these battles between white and colored mankind until the great fight between white and colored mankind has been delivered. Future events are frequently reflected in previous events. You see, we stand before something so colossal that, if we regard it through the diverse perceptions of spiritual science, we will in the future recognize it as a necessary occurrence. All this is denied as "racist" by anthroposopohists
Steiner-"White mankind is still on the path of absorbing spirit more deeply into its essence. Yellow mankind is on the path of preserving the period when the spirit is kept away from the body, when the spirit can only be sought outside of the human-physical organization. But the result will have to be that [mankinds next step upwards] cannot happen differently than as a violent fight between white mankind and colored mankind in the most varied areas...
Rudolf Steiner- On the Life of Human Beings and of the Earth,Verlag Der Rudolf Steiner-Nachlassverwaltung, 1961), p. 62."On one side we find the black race, which is earthly at most. If it moves to the West, it becomes extinct. We also have the yellow race, which is in the middle between earth and the cosmos. If it moves to the East, it becomes brown, attaches itself too much to the cosmos, and becomes extinct. The white race is the future, the race that is creating spirit. There is masses..
and free will, this secretive closed society is strange. Although most of Steiner's work is available, the schools and camphill don't encourage reading and understanding of it - their leaflets and websites have very very little about anthroposophy, reincarnation, spirit worlds and clairvoyance; Steiner himself, and recent writng by Steiner trained teachers, and anthroposophical press agents, ALL emphasise the point about keeping the anthroposophy, reincarnation,spirit worlds hidden from parents.
Hi Rumble-I know quite a bit about camphill too, and have also read Steiner; while most of his work is freely available, much of it has been sanatised (the race passages for instance)The secret "first class" esoteric writings of anthroposophy- the "initiation" and course on how to obtain clairvoyant vision into the spirit world are not available for the public- the books are guarded by members, who have been put forward by mentors and the Gotheneum. For a belief system so keen on freedom....
They believe that true anthroposophists "awaken to their reincarnation/calling and seek the true knowledge of anthroposophy" - so they don't believe in actively initiating people into the church/movement. Thats why.
Anthroposophists seem to be at great pains to deny a great deal about their religion; some don't even call it a religion, but a science- angels, gnomes, clairvoyance, spirit worlds, cosmic and astral forces- to them, this is apparently all scientific FACT; so when they suggest looking at facts, it takes on a rather one sided meaning.
Obviously, they believe that by "educating" children in the schools, they are helping them spiritually; undoing harm parents might have done.Doing a great service
Yes, exactly. Just like the scientologists. It is interesting though- I grew up in Camphill, went to Steiner school, and have worked in Camphill and read a great deal of the steiner books. Anybody can buy these books. But in addition, they have their secret society, and secret books that can only be owned by members of this secret society. They model themselves after the rosicrucian order, and they are dedicated fanatics. A brainwashing sect, anthroposphy at large.
Dude, get a life. It's hardly brainwashing, and if you can buy the books, in a bookshop or the internet, they're hardly secret now are they? They don't have secret books. Steiner didn't go to the toilet without a stenographer present. there is a book everywhere, and they're all being published on the net. Take a chill pill and stop fear-mongering!
Are you claiming I am ignorant? Every Steiner teacher is faced with having to interpret Steiner's works to suit their own belief system and circumstance. Because if they teach something, informed by a lecture or statement that they don't believe then it's not going to ring true for the students. And as freedom, including personal freedom is a major theme of his works, there is nothing wrong with personal interpretation, which hardly makes it a cult now does it?
Mr Skimmity, Steiner interchanged the word "freedom" ( which I agree is banded about a lot withinn anthroposophical circles) with the words "spritual activity". In fact he even changed the name of a seminal work from The Philosophy of Freedom to The Philosophy of Spiritual Activity. Changes the meaning a bit doesn't it? He also interchanged "imagination" with "clairvoyance". . There is a double speak when talking to anthros, allowing for children's imagination to develop can mean "clairvoyance"
The whole Steiner school curriculum is based on helping children "incarnate" , to help their transition from the spirit world to this one. Anthroposophy's belief system is one that places white pure aryan races at the pinnicle of the spiritual hierarchy, and black, primitive races, which they believe should have naturally died out, at the bottom. They believe we all reincarnate in various races, but by immersing ourselves in spiriual science, or anthroposohy, we can incarnate higher.
It's interesting that you talk about the 2rights" of Steiner teachers- what about the rights of parentts not to be lied to? The difference between , say , a catholic school and an anthroposophy school- or, Steiner school, is that Catholics are upfront and open about what their belief system entails; they are not an obscure occult pseudo religion pretending to be an arty crafty natural school.Find out the facts , as raphael suggests; read Steiner at the Rudolf Steiner archive.
Steiner made many comments about anthroposophy being in schools, "We must worm our way through...[I]n order to do what we want to do, at least, it is necessary to talk with the people, not because we want to, but because we have to, and inwardly make fools of them."
[Rudolf Steiner, Conferences with Teachers of the Waldorf School in Stuttgart, vol.1, 1919 to 1920 Forest Row, East Sussex, England: Steiner schools Fellowship Publications, 1986 pp. 125]
Love, peace & harmony to you lil1gio. I respect that you are devoted to your religion. I was born and raised in the church & even baptised but after so many dogy Christian experiences and unanswered questions, I went in search for TRUTH! I would love if one day u can do research on the bible & religion if for no other reason other than to prove yourself right, it would be interesting! xxx
The bible contradicts itself over and over again. lil1gio I just wanted to know how much research u have done in: Who put the bible together, what was in the gospels left out of the bible, what mistakes were made, how many times has the bible been changed, As far as the King James version which was the first authorized one, what type of person was king James because that would influence what he wanted in and wanted out of the bible.
lil1gio One more question. Adem & eve first humans, then they have two sons. When Kain slew able & was meant to leave Eden, he was scared of leaving in fear of people killing him 4 what he did. God said anyone who harms u will be punished or whatever (not exact words of course). If they were the only people bck then who was he scared of outside of Eden & why did God say they'd be punished if they harm u. WHO ARE THEY, were there more people?
If you want to know where god has hidden all of his greatest secrets, LOOK WITHIN! That's the last place humans would look because they are too stupid to think for themselves!
Sorry made quite a few mistakes but you get my overall message! I've done deep research into the bible and religion and there are holes, loose ends, lots of mistakes, certain things invented to fill in the bits missing from when the scrolls were found and so many unanswered questions. So religion itself is a big question mark, the truth lies in our heart where god speaks to us directly as individuals! xxx
I challenge you to search some more but this time with the help of the Holy Spirit:John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
With all the mistakes and changes that have been made in the bible over the ages not to mention the gospels that were not added (leave them in make us decide things for our self), I don't even trust half of what is in the bible and that is coming from a Steiner pupil. No matter what school you go to we all have our own minds! Also why did god bother giving us a brain and a mind to think if he didn't want us to use it? : )
There is enough shit going on in the world so nit picking at people for the school they go to when they are good people seems a bit petty to me. Religious people are the pettiest people I have ever come across.
It's like whether your good or not means nothing; what matters to u people is are u following old manipulated text that was written or put together by a bunch of shady old sexist men. Religion preaches to much punishment and condemning, persecuted and all that crap and nowhere near not enough love, peace and harmony to mankind.
How do u know brainwashing isn't going on in so called normal schools? The whole system is designed to control and manipulate the masses. Authorities at the top, government, religion, media etc are designed to control and manipulate our minds.
And watch: "Jordan Maxwell-The Book The Church Doesn't Want You To Read"
I'm interested in knowing the view of someone who's mind is totally controlled and who thinks from the programmed mind they have been taught to think. Don't mean this in a not nice way at all just interested in seeing how deep the brainwash goes, even when logic & proof is put right in front of them. :)
comment below is for lil1gio. I also want to know, if insest is wrong according to the bible, how did noah & fam repopulate without there being some kind of insest as with Adem & Eve?
Why does the bible say tho shalt not kill but yet the bible is full of killing and reveng, not to mention all the holy wars and the people Christains have killed through the ages for posing a threat to them in any way?
1There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven-- 2A time to give birth and a time to die;A time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted. 3A time to kill and a time to heal;A time to tear down and a time to build up. 4A time to weep and a time to laugh; A time to mourn and a time to dance. 5A time to throw stones and a time to gather stones;
A wife is related to her husband even before they marry because all people are descendants of Adam and Eve — all are of "one blood." The law forbidding marriage between close relatives was not given until the time of Moses (Leviticus 18-20). Provided marriage was one man to one woman for life (based on Genesis 1 and 2), there was no disobedience to God's law originally when close relatives (even brothers and sisters) married each other.
Love, peace & harmony to you lil1gio. I respect that you are devoted to your religion. I was born and raised in the church & even baptised but after so many dogy Christian experiences and unanswered questions, I went in search for TRUTH! I would love if one day u can do research on the bible & religion if for no other reason other than to prove yourself right, it would be interesting! xxx
Our brains have definately been brainwashed by the media and by the social and moral decline we have experienced in past few decades. The only goal I have is to be less like me(corrupt) and more like Him!
So as far as I see it, none of us know what is really going on behind the scenes of any authority. If someone is a good person just leave them to study where they want to study, I'm sure god has better things to do with his time than calculate which school we go to as a child!
Okay, This is a good thing! This is a Luciferean based school! All of the New Age Waldorf schools should be closed! You people really need to read up on Steiner's beliefs!
Now a University graduate again because of how advanced he is, he is earning way more money than every other graduate I know and that is because he brings so much more to the plate than just his academic abilities! Keep them open I say, what happened to freedom of choice! They can't be any worse than religion and state schools which totally control our minds!
Okay, I guess my point is that I would love to see these schools shut because the root of it is based on Lucifer being the good guy. Not a good thing! Read about Steiner, Alice Bailey and Madame Blavatsky. Of course there should be freedom to mess your kids minds up if that's what you wish. God can fix any mess up you make.
I come from a Christian background and my brother was sent to a Steiner school. He is by far the most intelligent, well rounded, advanced, pleasant and talented boy of his age group that I know. While he was there he learned how to speak 5 different languages and was well ahead of his friends who went to normal private schools.
Some people hide their shadiness behind their faith but Gods sees ur heart so no matter what school you go to, that is not what god sees. If you're good, you're good no matter what; if you're bad you're bad simple as!
Proof is in the pudding. I can only speak for my brother who has attended and as I said he is quality through and through, with love, peace respect, honour etc, etc. It did him no harm I'm sure there are other kids who benefit the same way. I know lots of God fearing Christians who are fucked up!
Hey read the bible and look at the people Jesus chose. They were all "messed" up. It gives Him the glory. Look what He can do with messed up people! :-)
I am researching where I plan to educate my own children. It doesn't concern me the Steiner was a racist because steiner was a person of his time what does concern me is the seemingly current lack of racial diversity in Steiner Schools, and whether Christianity is taught too much as a pagan Witch.
There's no lack of racial diversity in our school, it's spread right across the board. No Eskimos as yet? If you're a pagan witch you should feel right at home.
Steiner's whole belief system hinges on reincarnating through a hierarchy of races, to a perfect pure race- the aryan. Evil, primitive races are jettisoned en route. Souls incapablke of continuing upwards face racial decadence and regression to "primitive" races. This tenet is the basis of the entire belief system of anthroposophy. They do nort practice race hate, but the beliefs are racist in that white skin=spiritual superiority. The schools core is anthroposophy, with this belief at centre.
Hi, I find your comments very controvertial and would like to know about any Steiner book or text related to that "white-skin spiritual superiority"...it's sth very new to me and if it's true (and not your interpretation) I would rather take my daughter out of her school, really...how come you are a waldorf teacher and have this opinion?
Of course there are some incredibly racist things in Steiner's philosophies. Have you read any document regarding race from anywhere in the world that's a hundred years old that is NOT racist to current modern eyes? In context to that time, Steiner was quite progressive. We know this because waldorf schools were NOT well looked upon by the third Reich in WWII. Does that make his opinions ok? Certainly not. Does that make the rest of his theories regarding education invalid? Certainly not.
But it's the individual steiner teacher's duty to their class to draw inspiration from Steiner's writings and marry it with their own current views and beliefs. That's Waldorf policy. In Australia they teach Aboriginal myths and culture throughout the curriculum and also work quite closely with the indiginous communities of the area. There is certainly no sense of 'aryan superiority'! You seem really burned by your experience at this school? Could it be a particularly fundamentalist example?
As far as I understand it, he separates the human figure of Jesus, from Christ, and I think Christ is also represented by the sun, and is a cosmic spirit. He taught that all the ancient mysteries are a leading up to the incarnation of Christ.
Why do you think there is a klack of racial diversity in Steiner schools? Steiner's version of "christianity" is not the orthodox one- sometimes called 'esoteric Christianity' or 'Rosicrucian Christianity' .he even wrote his own fifth gospel based on clairvoyant "truths" about Christ. The "Christ event" is central to anthroposophy and Steiner's doctrine, but it is wrapped up in the occult and the supernatural. Reincarnation, for instance, is central to Steiner.
Oh, and I think you said something about Steiner being racist? Firstly, being racist was perfectly normal during his lifetime. Most people back then believed in the existence of races. Secondly, at the two different Waldorf schools I attended, racism was a very, very small problem, if it existed at all. In fact, most people in these schools were quite left wing and/or environmentalists, often of the opinion that national borders should be completely opened.
Steiner's anthroposophy is based on a doctrine which gives attributes based on skin colour, and arranges them from "lower" to "higher". He clearly states that skin colour is directly related to spirituality. This oesn't mean the schools are bigoted or prejudiced, it means the doctrinre they draw from gives special spiritual qualities based on skin colour; most people would describe this as racist; most people in the schools haven't reached the stage in their "path of knowledge" to realise this
Steiner also refused to write most of his "knowledge" down since he didn't want it to become a doctrine. Rather, he would give oral lectures, stressing the need for the anthroposophists to be aware of the change of time and to incorporate into their filosophy new ideas and new knowledge.
Could it be that the problem of this discussion is that you have been very unlucky in happening to come across one of the few Waldorf schools where the teachers are actually fundamentalist anthroposophists? There are fundamentalists in anthroposophy as in every system of values, be it Christendom, Islam, social democracy or neo-liberalism.
Thirdly, in what way is lifting humankind to a higher spiritual level a bad thing? It means being more conscious of our world, of how everything in it works together (a fact modern science cannot deny) and how, because of that, our actions influence other beings.
If you do not believe that humankind is capable of evolving, why do you live?
Also- I really think it's the schools responsibility to be upfront in the first place- they go silent and are shiftily deceptive when asked about anthroposophy and the spiritual agenda- hiding information moves into he realm of a cultwhich has been said before.
I think you'll find, that one of the reasons a lot of teachers appear shifty is because, they are still trying to marry Steiner's pedagogical ideas to their own belief systems. And it is a bit of a social and professional mine-field to be on. Especially if your new and are still trying to feel your way around. I mean, is what the teacher saying his opinion? the school's opinion? Steiner's opinion? the government's opinion? It's really difficult for a teacher to get their point across clearly ...
Steiner Waldorf education is rooted in anthroposophy- a spiritual science/religion. They are reluctant to talk about it openly. Their main agenda is to help children reincarnate and reach higher spiritual planes for the greater good of mankind.
I beg your pardon. Who is reluctant to talk about it openly? You make it sound like a weird cult. Far from it, from my experience and my wife is a teacher it's just not always easy to talk about it because some of it sounds far out.
You said it- far out- shouldn't people be aware of this when they send their children to the school? It's possible to go through a Steiner education and not even hear the word anthroposophy-but it informs all Steiner education
Because it shifts into the behaviour of a cult, to entice people with one aspect, for reasons that are not disclosed, wouldn't you agree? To treat the children as vessels to be reincarnated- without telling anyone that is the true agenda.
If that's what's right for you, that's your business.Schools whose main agenda is to re-incarnate children are not for everyone- the schools have a moral duty to be open- and honest about their underlying philosophy- and Steiner Waldorf aren't.
Well my children go to a Steiner school and my partner is a teacher. I've started reading 'The Education of the child,' It's pretty heavy going, my partner explained anthroposophy as well as she could last night. There is nothing dark, culty or secretive about it. You, however seem to have a thing about anthroposophy and see it as your mission to post warning messages about it on every Steiner YouTube video, like it's a conspiracy. When it's really very, very innocent.
Good point. I can't dig out our schools promotional lit. at the moment. Let's face it there's the internet for anyone wishing to delve deeper. There's a Recommended reading list for present and prospective parents. There is no hidden agenda. Normal schools are far more sinister if you ask me.
I'm glad we agree on something then. I think you'll find that it's not in the interests of the steiner waldorf anthroposophists to tell people what the main ideas are behind it are. People would rightly think it all sounds a bit far fetched, and then the task of lifting mankind to higher spiritual levels would be lost,; no-one to lift to those planes of mankind's higher spirit.
You must know how many books there are written by and about Steiner, there's a lot to cover. I'll dig out our schools promotional lit. asap. This type of schooling suits my kids. I was wary at first, my partner has had to put my mind at ease many times. I just have to look at my kids to know that we've done the right thing.
I've read a lot of Steiner - yes. The Steiner anthroposophy umbrella covers a multitude of other things too- like Camphill commnities and bio-dynamic farming. Our experiences became gradually shocking, if that makes sense.The reasons for dealing with anything from bullying to left handedness were anthroposophical- about Karma and incarnation.I truly believe they have to be upfront about the religious and spiritual nature of the schools.
Left handedness, dyslexia , ahdd, learning difficulties, are all seen as incarnation problems anthroposophically. Yes- I agree about the creative aspect- in "real" science it's about different sides of the brain, in Steiner's spritual science- it's about past lives.
I think ALL Steiner teachers would agree with you. We don't live 100 years in the past and nobody in our school would argue with you about the practicalities of advances in western medicine. These advances weren't made in Steiner's time. Yes?
I know of many left-handed steiner teachers. I think you'll find that the left-handed thing is discussed with a bit of irony and humour in todays world. Of course only fifty years ago it was still a big issue in state run schools. The real concern is not having a single predominant hand to work with, which again, is not unusual in state-run institutions who know that using a single hand to complete tasks assists in child-development.
My child is left handed; the Steiner waldorf teacher "encouraged" her to use her right hand; she thought sh was b"wrong" to use her left hand; she had to knit left handed fffs. That is cruel; and all because of some 100yr old doctrine based on the clairvoyant visions of one man. Have you read what he "taught" about left hanedeness? It indicates a weakness from a previous life. IIlnes, how are body is shaped, all these things are from our past lives, of our own making, because they are "karmic".
O.k. What happened with your child is obviously not good! And I can see where you're coming from there. But that's not an issue with Steiner education. That's an issue with a single teaching being fundamentalist with the anthroposophical literature, and I hope you complained to the appropriate body in the school. I can tell you now, that in Australia I've not heard of a single case of a left handed child encouraged to write with their right hand.
First of all, have you asked any persons that actually went to a Waldorf school about their opinion? Or do you believe, like some do, that Waldorf pupils are being brainwashed? As a former Waldorf pupil I can assure you that most Waldorf pupils do not even believe in reincarnation, not to mention somehow taking action to "promote" it or something like that.
Secondly, IF reincarnation does exist it is nothing you can do anything about. You can try to educate the children in a way that they take responsibility for their actions during their lifetime, which can be said to give you good karma for your next life if you believe in reincarnation. If you do not believe in reincarnation, taking responsibility for your actions will still be a positive thing, since it makes you a friendlier person who tries to do good things.
CasparJordan I have had three yrs experience as a parent at steiner waldorf and of camphill community. I DO knopw what i'm talking about. I've read alot of Steiner too. How much have you actually read? Do you know what the reading list of the teachers who taught you is? The anthroposophist make sure anthroposophy is in every corner of the school & curriculum; but you may not be aware.I do believe it is a form of brainwashing yes.Where we were there was talk of outsiders
There is so much misconception abort Waldorf and anthroposophy, mostly coming from her critics, that no decent conversation can be had. Anthoposophy is described by critics as a religion that seeks to brainwash children and help them reincarnate into higher beings. This description is supposed to make your hair stand and does the truth a great disservice. Anthroposophy is not a cult nor does it manipulate people into abdicating one iota of their free will.
To paint this philosphy so darkly only confuses readers looking to find the FACTS before putting their children into a Waldorf school. Waldorf is not overtly anthroposophical, infact the philosophy is NEVER mentioned in School for fear of manipulating children. Anthroposophy IS mentioned often to PARENTS and described as the philosophical foundation behind Waldorf pedagogics.
What you say is actually misleading. The people who DO find out the FACTS about Steiner Waldorf they find it is totally rooted in anthroposophy, and that, contrary to what you say, this is deliberately kept from parents until they are deemed "ready". Steiner trained teachers have said that they're taught to be misleading; Steiner teachers, and above all, anthroposophists think they have knowledge that others don't.Raphael- (nice archangel name btw) there are ALOT of people contadicting you here.
Waldorf teachers have every rights to adhere to anthroposophical "beliefs" just as mainstream teachers have their rights to believe whatever they want in freedom- It is foolish to say that mainstream schools have no fundamental belief system, no matris, which the modern Industrial society bathes in. We are the product of an evolution of consciousness from caveman to Ipod.
Waldorf does have a very different interpetation of what transpired the last few thousand years, but so do many other non western/eurocentered cultures. It would be foolish to ignore the multiplicity of understands different people can have about human development.
Waldorf does strive to explorer new ideas about society and our artistic involvement in our world. Waldorf does strives to cultivate both an artistic appreciation for the sciences and a scientific approach to the arts.
Hi- there are numerous writings by Steiner on skin colour and race "Blond hair actually bestows intelligence. In the case of fair people, less nourishment is driven into the eyes and hair; it remains instead in the brain and endows it with intelligence. Brown- and dark-haired people drive the substances into their eyes and hair that the fair people retain in their brains.HEALTH AND ILLNESS, VOL. 1. Lectures from 1922 (Anthroposophic Press, 1981)p 85-86 - a partcularly controversial one...
Tenguineas, the word used is actually 'incarnated' not 're-incarnated'. Meaning that the 'true agenda' which you speak of lurking behind Steiner schools is to help children mature into their physical bodies. Oooh spooky! Someone call the police! It's totally nefarious and not at all WHAT EVERY other school is trying to do in the world!!!
I believe Tenguineas has one good point we need transparency within ANY educational model, as I am studying to be a teacher I am finding out how little there is in the Australian school system. There are lots of resources to find out more about Steiner School philosophy if people are not too lazy to do their research. I would like to hear more about your personal experiences as a parent of Steiner education.
The school has not closed, but has moved premises.
blugru 1 year ago
@blugru pity
tinytina789 10 months ago
Hope it's now closed.
tinytina789 2 years ago
@tinytina789 You hope the school is now closed?
rugshort 1 year ago
Can we stop all this debate and just save the school. The Tory council wants to move us. What's going to happen to the site where everyone is so happy? They are destroying our community and probably lining their pockets in the process. Weird that the school burnt down just before the proposal to build football pitches, the whole thing reeks of conspiracy. There can be no other reason for closing what is a beautiful school. Who stands to make the profit out of our school closing.
rugshort 2 years ago
From R. Steiner exists 370 Books an very human text. (Very christian) But also the Anthroposphy have enemies and they want to disturb this work, and are searching, what can be bad, or sounds bad. (I am sorry, my english is´nt the best)
Liederzyklus 3 years ago
I think you'll find the people who write critical things about rudolf steiner are often extremely well informed about the nature of the cult-like pseudo religion anthroposophy which underlies the education and other anhroposophoical organisations; they don't need to search for "what can be bad"- it's there in his work; yes, he wrote good things too. One of the biggest criticisma as far as I personally am concerned is the lack of disclosure about anthroposophy, and it's race doctrine.
tenguineas 3 years ago
@tenguineas."I think you'll find the people who write critical things about rudolf steiner are often extremely well informed about the nature of the cult-like pseudo religion anthroposophy" YOU ARE CHOKING; THE OPPOSIT IST THE TRUTH. I KNOW QUIET WELL WHAT IT IS. BUT THE CRITICAL MOST LIE: ALSO YOU, BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE WHAT YOU SAY! WHY YOU DONT FIRST INFORM YOURSELF, BEFORE YOU SAY SUCH CRITICAL WRONG THINGS?
Liederzyklus 3 years ago
@tenguineas
Those susceptible to the media brainwashing instead of the abundant sacred spiritual awareness all around us, are the very ones trapped by the corporate pseudo religion of commerce, greed, and the hoarding of land for golf courses, shopping malls and indoctrination centers. Honestly, I get a sad sense you really do not know what you are talking about. Put aside your fear and be free to be who you really were meant to be as nature intended.
Indexanimisermo 10 months ago
Steiner's work is available, on Amazon and the net; not all of it, the most extreme iss only available to members of the anthrposophical society, and much hasn't been tranlted either. Some books "Limestone to Lucifer" for instance, mysteriously has a race passage missing. Some has been sanitised. So, if his work is innocuous, his beliefs acceptable , why aren't they ever mentioned on school websites, on waldorf promoting videos here for instance? Think it may out people off..
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
Mr Skimmity- " to help children mature into their physical bodies" hmmmnnn, if you've read steiner ATALL, you quickly realise that the enire doctrine is about past and future, "incarnating"- what's the difference? Incarnating from their previous life, the spirit world, it's all the same supernatural, occult belief, so don't try to white wash with sematics. I always amazes me when teachers pretend it isn't about these things; if you did the steiner training, nearly all the books are anthro
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
..continued quote.." And world history will consist of that which will lead to these battles between white and colored mankind until the great fight between white and colored mankind has been delivered. Future events are frequently reflected in previous events. You see, we stand before something so colossal that, if we regard it through the diverse perceptions of spiritual science, we will in the future recognize it as a necessary occurrence. All this is denied as "racist" by anthroposopohists
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
Steiner-"White mankind is still on the path of absorbing spirit more deeply into its essence. Yellow mankind is on the path of preserving the period when the spirit is kept away from the body, when the spirit can only be sought outside of the human-physical organization. But the result will have to be that [mankinds next step upwards] cannot happen differently than as a violent fight between white mankind and colored mankind in the most varied areas...
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
Rudolf Steiner- On the Life of Human Beings and of the Earth,Verlag Der Rudolf Steiner-Nachlassverwaltung, 1961), p. 62."On one side we find the black race, which is earthly at most. If it moves to the West, it becomes extinct. We also have the yellow race, which is in the middle between earth and the cosmos. If it moves to the East, it becomes brown, attaches itself too much to the cosmos, and becomes extinct. The white race is the future, the race that is creating spirit. There is masses..
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
and free will, this secretive closed society is strange. Although most of Steiner's work is available, the schools and camphill don't encourage reading and understanding of it - their leaflets and websites have very very little about anthroposophy, reincarnation, spirit worlds and clairvoyance; Steiner himself, and recent writng by Steiner trained teachers, and anthroposophical press agents, ALL emphasise the point about keeping the anthroposophy, reincarnation,spirit worlds hidden from parents.
tenguineas 3 years ago
Hi Rumble-I know quite a bit about camphill too, and have also read Steiner; while most of his work is freely available, much of it has been sanatised (the race passages for instance)The secret "first class" esoteric writings of anthroposophy- the "initiation" and course on how to obtain clairvoyant vision into the spirit world are not available for the public- the books are guarded by members, who have been put forward by mentors and the Gotheneum. For a belief system so keen on freedom....
tenguineas 3 years ago
They believe that true anthroposophists "awaken to their reincarnation/calling and seek the true knowledge of anthroposophy" - so they don't believe in actively initiating people into the church/movement. Thats why.
RumbleTumble2 3 years ago
Anthroposophists seem to be at great pains to deny a great deal about their religion; some don't even call it a religion, but a science- angels, gnomes, clairvoyance, spirit worlds, cosmic and astral forces- to them, this is apparently all scientific FACT; so when they suggest looking at facts, it takes on a rather one sided meaning.
Obviously, they believe that by "educating" children in the schools, they are helping them spiritually; undoing harm parents might have done.Doing a great service
tenguineas 3 years ago
Yes, exactly. Just like the scientologists. It is interesting though- I grew up in Camphill, went to Steiner school, and have worked in Camphill and read a great deal of the steiner books. Anybody can buy these books. But in addition, they have their secret society, and secret books that can only be owned by members of this secret society. They model themselves after the rosicrucian order, and they are dedicated fanatics. A brainwashing sect, anthroposphy at large.
RumbleTumble2 3 years ago
Dude, get a life. It's hardly brainwashing, and if you can buy the books, in a bookshop or the internet, they're hardly secret now are they? They don't have secret books. Steiner didn't go to the toilet without a stenographer present. there is a book everywhere, and they're all being published on the net. Take a chill pill and stop fear-mongering!
MrSkimmity 3 years ago
Is Ignorance bliss then?
RumbleTumble2 3 years ago
Are you claiming I am ignorant? Every Steiner teacher is faced with having to interpret Steiner's works to suit their own belief system and circumstance. Because if they teach something, informed by a lecture or statement that they don't believe then it's not going to ring true for the students. And as freedom, including personal freedom is a major theme of his works, there is nothing wrong with personal interpretation, which hardly makes it a cult now does it?
MrSkimmity 3 years ago
Yes. Ignorant.
RumbleTumble2 3 years ago
Mr Skimmity, Steiner interchanged the word "freedom" ( which I agree is banded about a lot withinn anthroposophical circles) with the words "spritual activity". In fact he even changed the name of a seminal work from The Philosophy of Freedom to The Philosophy of Spiritual Activity. Changes the meaning a bit doesn't it? He also interchanged "imagination" with "clairvoyance". . There is a double speak when talking to anthros, allowing for children's imagination to develop can mean "clairvoyance"
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
The whole Steiner school curriculum is based on helping children "incarnate" , to help their transition from the spirit world to this one. Anthroposophy's belief system is one that places white pure aryan races at the pinnicle of the spiritual hierarchy, and black, primitive races, which they believe should have naturally died out, at the bottom. They believe we all reincarnate in various races, but by immersing ourselves in spiriual science, or anthroposohy, we can incarnate higher.
tenguineas 3 years ago
It's interesting that you talk about the 2rights" of Steiner teachers- what about the rights of parentts not to be lied to? The difference between , say , a catholic school and an anthroposophy school- or, Steiner school, is that Catholics are upfront and open about what their belief system entails; they are not an obscure occult pseudo religion pretending to be an arty crafty natural school.Find out the facts , as raphael suggests; read Steiner at the Rudolf Steiner archive.
tenguineas 3 years ago
Steiner made many comments about anthroposophy being in schools, "We must worm our way through...[I]n order to do what we want to do, at least, it is necessary to talk with the people, not because we want to, but because we have to, and inwardly make fools of them."
[Rudolf Steiner, Conferences with Teachers of the Waldorf School in Stuttgart, vol.1, 1919 to 1920 Forest Row, East Sussex, England: Steiner schools Fellowship Publications, 1986 pp. 125]
tenguineas 3 years ago
Love, peace & harmony to you lil1gio. I respect that you are devoted to your religion. I was born and raised in the church & even baptised but after so many dogy Christian experiences and unanswered questions, I went in search for TRUTH! I would love if one day u can do research on the bible & religion if for no other reason other than to prove yourself right, it would be interesting! xxx
here4fun1 3 years ago
The bible contradicts itself over and over again. lil1gio I just wanted to know how much research u have done in: Who put the bible together, what was in the gospels left out of the bible, what mistakes were made, how many times has the bible been changed, As far as the King James version which was the first authorized one, what type of person was king James because that would influence what he wanted in and wanted out of the bible.
here4fun1 3 years ago
There is so much about the bible to research before seeing it as gospel! xx
here4fun1 3 years ago
lil1gio One more question. Adem & eve first humans, then they have two sons. When Kain slew able & was meant to leave Eden, he was scared of leaving in fear of people killing him 4 what he did. God said anyone who harms u will be punished or whatever (not exact words of course). If they were the only people bck then who was he scared of outside of Eden & why did God say they'd be punished if they harm u. WHO ARE THEY, were there more people?
here4fun1 3 years ago
People Watch: Jordan Maxwell Sons of Gods 9/9
here4fun1 3 years ago
If you want to know where god has hidden all of his greatest secrets, LOOK WITHIN! That's the last place humans would look because they are too stupid to think for themselves!
here4fun1 3 years ago
Unfortunately our culture has been totally focused on me,me,me. We need to instead focus on Him and put Him first. God Bless
lil1gio 3 years ago
Sorry made quite a few mistakes but you get my overall message! I've done deep research into the bible and religion and there are holes, loose ends, lots of mistakes, certain things invented to fill in the bits missing from when the scrolls were found and so many unanswered questions. So religion itself is a big question mark, the truth lies in our heart where god speaks to us directly as individuals! xxx
here4fun1 3 years ago
I challenge you to search some more but this time with the help of the Holy Spirit:John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
lil1gio 3 years ago
With all the mistakes and changes that have been made in the bible over the ages not to mention the gospels that were not added (leave them in make us decide things for our self), I don't even trust half of what is in the bible and that is coming from a Steiner pupil. No matter what school you go to we all have our own minds! Also why did god bother giving us a brain and a mind to think if he didn't want us to use it? : )
here4fun1 3 years ago
Sorry I meant to say: That is coming from a NON Steiner pupil!
here4fun1 3 years ago
There is enough shit going on in the world so nit picking at people for the school they go to when they are good people seems a bit petty to me. Religious people are the pettiest people I have ever come across.
here4fun1 3 years ago
It's like whether your good or not means nothing; what matters to u people is are u following old manipulated text that was written or put together by a bunch of shady old sexist men. Religion preaches to much punishment and condemning, persecuted and all that crap and nowhere near not enough love, peace and harmony to mankind.
here4fun1 3 years ago
How do u know brainwashing isn't going on in so called normal schools? The whole system is designed to control and manipulate the masses. Authorities at the top, government, religion, media etc are designed to control and manipulate our minds.
here4fun1 3 years ago
God has authority over all His creation.
lil1gio 3 years ago
Watch: ARE YOU BRAINWASHED ?
And watch: "Jordan Maxwell-The Book The Church Doesn't Want You To Read"
I'm interested in knowing the view of someone who's mind is totally controlled and who thinks from the programmed mind they have been taught to think. Don't mean this in a not nice way at all just interested in seeing how deep the brainwash goes, even when logic & proof is put right in front of them. :)
here4fun1 3 years ago
comment below is for lil1gio. I also want to know, if insest is wrong according to the bible, how did noah & fam repopulate without there being some kind of insest as with Adem & Eve?
here4fun1 3 years ago
Why does the bible say tho shalt not kill but yet the bible is full of killing and reveng, not to mention all the holy wars and the people Christains have killed through the ages for posing a threat to them in any way?
here4fun1 3 years ago
Ecclesiastes 3 (Every season turn, turn, turn)
1There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven-- 2A time to give birth and a time to die;A time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted. 3A time to kill and a time to heal;A time to tear down and a time to build up. 4A time to weep and a time to laugh; A time to mourn and a time to dance. 5A time to throw stones and a time to gather stones;
etc... (you must read the bible!) It's awesome!!!
lil1gio 3 years ago
A wife is related to her husband even before they marry because all people are descendants of Adam and Eve — all are of "one blood." The law forbidding marriage between close relatives was not given until the time of Moses (Leviticus 18-20). Provided marriage was one man to one woman for life (based on Genesis 1 and 2), there was no disobedience to God's law originally when close relatives (even brothers and sisters) married each other.
lil1gio 3 years ago
Love, peace & harmony to you lil1gio. I respect that you are devoted to your religion. I was born and raised in the church & even baptised but after so many dogy Christian experiences and unanswered questions, I went in search for TRUTH! I would love if one day u can do research on the bible & religion if for no other reason other than to prove yourself right, it would be interesting! xxx
here4fun1 3 years ago
Our brains have definately been brainwashed by the media and by the social and moral decline we have experienced in past few decades. The only goal I have is to be less like me(corrupt) and more like Him!
lil1gio 3 years ago
So as far as I see it, none of us know what is really going on behind the scenes of any authority. If someone is a good person just leave them to study where they want to study, I'm sure god has better things to do with his time than calculate which school we go to as a child!
here4fun1 3 years ago
God has counted all the hairs of our head! He has plenty of time. :-)Matt 10:3030"But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
lil1gio 3 years ago
Okay, This is a good thing! This is a Luciferean based school! All of the New Age Waldorf schools should be closed! You people really need to read up on Steiner's beliefs!
lil1gio 3 years ago
Now a University graduate again because of how advanced he is, he is earning way more money than every other graduate I know and that is because he brings so much more to the plate than just his academic abilities! Keep them open I say, what happened to freedom of choice! They can't be any worse than religion and state schools which totally control our minds!
here4fun1 3 years ago
Okay, I guess my point is that I would love to see these schools shut because the root of it is based on Lucifer being the good guy. Not a good thing! Read about Steiner, Alice Bailey and Madame Blavatsky. Of course there should be freedom to mess your kids minds up if that's what you wish. God can fix any mess up you make.
lil1gio 3 years ago
I come from a Christian background and my brother was sent to a Steiner school. He is by far the most intelligent, well rounded, advanced, pleasant and talented boy of his age group that I know. While he was there he learned how to speak 5 different languages and was well ahead of his friends who went to normal private schools.
here4fun1 3 years ago
Sorry that was meant to say: BOYS of his age group
here4fun1 3 years ago
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 1 Cor 1:20
lil1gio 3 years ago
Some people hide their shadiness behind their faith but Gods sees ur heart so no matter what school you go to, that is not what god sees. If you're good, you're good no matter what; if you're bad you're bad simple as!
here4fun1 3 years ago
God sees all and we all will see Him and give an account. :-)
lil1gio 3 years ago
Proof is in the pudding. I can only speak for my brother who has attended and as I said he is quality through and through, with love, peace respect, honour etc, etc. It did him no harm I'm sure there are other kids who benefit the same way. I know lots of God fearing Christians who are fucked up!
here4fun1 3 years ago
Hey read the bible and look at the people Jesus chose. They were all "messed" up. It gives Him the glory. Look what He can do with messed up people! :-)
lil1gio 3 years ago
I am researching where I plan to educate my own children. It doesn't concern me the Steiner was a racist because steiner was a person of his time what does concern me is the seemingly current lack of racial diversity in Steiner Schools, and whether Christianity is taught too much as a pagan Witch.
magiccatsmother 3 years ago
There's no lack of racial diversity in our school, it's spread right across the board. No Eskimos as yet? If you're a pagan witch you should feel right at home.
rugshort 3 years ago
Steiner's whole belief system hinges on reincarnating through a hierarchy of races, to a perfect pure race- the aryan. Evil, primitive races are jettisoned en route. Souls incapablke of continuing upwards face racial decadence and regression to "primitive" races. This tenet is the basis of the entire belief system of anthroposophy. They do nort practice race hate, but the beliefs are racist in that white skin=spiritual superiority. The schools core is anthroposophy, with this belief at centre.
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
Hi, I find your comments very controvertial and would like to know about any Steiner book or text related to that "white-skin spiritual superiority"...it's sth very new to me and if it's true (and not your interpretation) I would rather take my daughter out of her school, really...how come you are a waldorf teacher and have this opinion?
yanyayanga 3 years ago
Of course there are some incredibly racist things in Steiner's philosophies. Have you read any document regarding race from anywhere in the world that's a hundred years old that is NOT racist to current modern eyes? In context to that time, Steiner was quite progressive. We know this because waldorf schools were NOT well looked upon by the third Reich in WWII. Does that make his opinions ok? Certainly not. Does that make the rest of his theories regarding education invalid? Certainly not.
MrSkimmity 3 years ago
But it's the individual steiner teacher's duty to their class to draw inspiration from Steiner's writings and marry it with their own current views and beliefs. That's Waldorf policy. In Australia they teach Aboriginal myths and culture throughout the curriculum and also work quite closely with the indiginous communities of the area. There is certainly no sense of 'aryan superiority'! You seem really burned by your experience at this school? Could it be a particularly fundamentalist example?
MrSkimmity 3 years ago
As far as I understand it, he separates the human figure of Jesus, from Christ, and I think Christ is also represented by the sun, and is a cosmic spirit. He taught that all the ancient mysteries are a leading up to the incarnation of Christ.
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
Why do you think there is a klack of racial diversity in Steiner schools? Steiner's version of "christianity" is not the orthodox one- sometimes called 'esoteric Christianity' or 'Rosicrucian Christianity' .he even wrote his own fifth gospel based on clairvoyant "truths" about Christ. The "Christ event" is central to anthroposophy and Steiner's doctrine, but it is wrapped up in the occult and the supernatural. Reincarnation, for instance, is central to Steiner.
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
There's no lack of racial diversity in our Steiner school.
rugshort 2 years ago
Oh, and I think you said something about Steiner being racist? Firstly, being racist was perfectly normal during his lifetime. Most people back then believed in the existence of races. Secondly, at the two different Waldorf schools I attended, racism was a very, very small problem, if it existed at all. In fact, most people in these schools were quite left wing and/or environmentalists, often of the opinion that national borders should be completely opened.
CasparJordan 3 years ago
Steiner's anthroposophy is based on a doctrine which gives attributes based on skin colour, and arranges them from "lower" to "higher". He clearly states that skin colour is directly related to spirituality. This oesn't mean the schools are bigoted or prejudiced, it means the doctrinre they draw from gives special spiritual qualities based on skin colour; most people would describe this as racist; most people in the schools haven't reached the stage in their "path of knowledge" to realise this
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
Steiner also refused to write most of his "knowledge" down since he didn't want it to become a doctrine. Rather, he would give oral lectures, stressing the need for the anthroposophists to be aware of the change of time and to incorporate into their filosophy new ideas and new knowledge.
CasparJordan 3 years ago
Could it be that the problem of this discussion is that you have been very unlucky in happening to come across one of the few Waldorf schools where the teachers are actually fundamentalist anthroposophists? There are fundamentalists in anthroposophy as in every system of values, be it Christendom, Islam, social democracy or neo-liberalism.
CasparJordan 3 years ago
Thirdly, in what way is lifting humankind to a higher spiritual level a bad thing? It means being more conscious of our world, of how everything in it works together (a fact modern science cannot deny) and how, because of that, our actions influence other beings.
If you do not believe that humankind is capable of evolving, why do you live?
CasparJordan 3 years ago
Also- I really think it's the schools responsibility to be upfront in the first place- they go silent and are shiftily deceptive when asked about anthroposophy and the spiritual agenda- hiding information moves into he realm of a cultwhich has been said before.
tenguineas 4 years ago
I think you'll find, that one of the reasons a lot of teachers appear shifty is because, they are still trying to marry Steiner's pedagogical ideas to their own belief systems. And it is a bit of a social and professional mine-field to be on. Especially if your new and are still trying to feel your way around. I mean, is what the teacher saying his opinion? the school's opinion? Steiner's opinion? the government's opinion? It's really difficult for a teacher to get their point across clearly ...
MrSkimmity 3 years ago
Steiner Waldorf education is rooted in anthroposophy- a spiritual science/religion. They are reluctant to talk about it openly. Their main agenda is to help children reincarnate and reach higher spiritual planes for the greater good of mankind.
tenguineas 4 years ago
I beg your pardon. Who is reluctant to talk about it openly? You make it sound like a weird cult. Far from it, from my experience and my wife is a teacher it's just not always easy to talk about it because some of it sounds far out.
rugshort 4 years ago
You said it- far out- shouldn't people be aware of this when they send their children to the school? It's possible to go through a Steiner education and not even hear the word anthroposophy-but it informs all Steiner education
tenguineas 4 years ago
And what's wrong with that?
rugshort 4 years ago
Because it shifts into the behaviour of a cult, to entice people with one aspect, for reasons that are not disclosed, wouldn't you agree? To treat the children as vessels to be reincarnated- without telling anyone that is the true agenda.
tenguineas 4 years ago
You've got a real problem. Society treats our children as vessels for consumerism which I think is far more unhealthy than anything you're espousing.
rugshort 4 years ago
If that's what's right for you, that's your business.Schools whose main agenda is to re-incarnate children are not for everyone- the schools have a moral duty to be open- and honest about their underlying philosophy- and Steiner Waldorf aren't.
tenguineas 4 years ago
Re-incarnating children? I think you've done too many drugs.
rugshort 4 years ago
Absolutely not- you obviously don't have have any idea about Steiner - have you ever read Steiner? Or heard of anthroposophy?
tenguineas 4 years ago
Well my children go to a Steiner school and my partner is a teacher. I've started reading 'The Education of the child,' It's pretty heavy going, my partner explained anthroposophy as well as she could last night. There is nothing dark, culty or secretive about it. You, however seem to have a thing about anthroposophy and see it as your mission to post warning messages about it on every Steiner YouTube video, like it's a conspiracy. When it's really very, very innocent.
rugshort 4 years ago 2
If it's so innocent- why isn't it mentioned and explained in the promotional literature of the schools?
tenguineas 4 years ago
Good point. I can't dig out our schools promotional lit. at the moment. Let's face it there's the internet for anyone wishing to delve deeper. There's a Recommended reading list for present and prospective parents. There is no hidden agenda. Normal schools are far more sinister if you ask me.
rugshort 4 years ago
I'm glad we agree on something then. I think you'll find that it's not in the interests of the steiner waldorf anthroposophists to tell people what the main ideas are behind it are. People would rightly think it all sounds a bit far fetched, and then the task of lifting mankind to higher spiritual levels would be lost,; no-one to lift to those planes of mankind's higher spirit.
tenguineas 4 years ago
You must know how many books there are written by and about Steiner, there's a lot to cover. I'll dig out our schools promotional lit. asap. This type of schooling suits my kids. I was wary at first, my partner has had to put my mind at ease many times. I just have to look at my kids to know that we've done the right thing.
rugshort 4 years ago
I've read a lot of Steiner - yes. The Steiner anthroposophy umbrella covers a multitude of other things too- like Camphill commnities and bio-dynamic farming. Our experiences became gradually shocking, if that makes sense.The reasons for dealing with anything from bullying to left handedness were anthroposophical- about Karma and incarnation.I truly believe they have to be upfront about the religious and spiritual nature of the schools.
tenguineas 4 years ago
I'm surprised being left-handed is a problem, in my experience most left-handers are very creative people. This is not a problem in our school.
rugshort 4 years ago
Left handedness, dyslexia , ahdd, learning difficulties, are all seen as incarnation problems anthroposophically. Yes- I agree about the creative aspect- in "real" science it's about different sides of the brain, in Steiner's spritual science- it's about past lives.
tenguineas 4 years ago
I think ALL Steiner teachers would agree with you. We don't live 100 years in the past and nobody in our school would argue with you about the practicalities of advances in western medicine. These advances weren't made in Steiner's time. Yes?
rugshort 4 years ago
I know of many left-handed steiner teachers. I think you'll find that the left-handed thing is discussed with a bit of irony and humour in todays world. Of course only fifty years ago it was still a big issue in state run schools. The real concern is not having a single predominant hand to work with, which again, is not unusual in state-run institutions who know that using a single hand to complete tasks assists in child-development.
MrSkimmity 3 years ago
My child is left handed; the Steiner waldorf teacher "encouraged" her to use her right hand; she thought sh was b"wrong" to use her left hand; she had to knit left handed fffs. That is cruel; and all because of some 100yr old doctrine based on the clairvoyant visions of one man. Have you read what he "taught" about left hanedeness? It indicates a weakness from a previous life. IIlnes, how are body is shaped, all these things are from our past lives, of our own making, because they are "karmic".
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
O.k. What happened with your child is obviously not good! And I can see where you're coming from there. But that's not an issue with Steiner education. That's an issue with a single teaching being fundamentalist with the anthroposophical literature, and I hope you complained to the appropriate body in the school. I can tell you now, that in Australia I've not heard of a single case of a left handed child encouraged to write with their right hand.
MrSkimmity 3 years ago
tenguineas:
First of all, have you asked any persons that actually went to a Waldorf school about their opinion? Or do you believe, like some do, that Waldorf pupils are being brainwashed? As a former Waldorf pupil I can assure you that most Waldorf pupils do not even believe in reincarnation, not to mention somehow taking action to "promote" it or something like that.
CasparJordan 3 years ago
Secondly, IF reincarnation does exist it is nothing you can do anything about. You can try to educate the children in a way that they take responsibility for their actions during their lifetime, which can be said to give you good karma for your next life if you believe in reincarnation. If you do not believe in reincarnation, taking responsibility for your actions will still be a positive thing, since it makes you a friendlier person who tries to do good things.
CasparJordan 3 years ago 2
CasparJordan I have had three yrs experience as a parent at steiner waldorf and of camphill community. I DO knopw what i'm talking about. I've read alot of Steiner too. How much have you actually read? Do you know what the reading list of the teachers who taught you is? The anthroposophist make sure anthroposophy is in every corner of the school & curriculum; but you may not be aware.I do believe it is a form of brainwashing yes.Where we were there was talk of outsiders
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
There is so much misconception abort Waldorf and anthroposophy, mostly coming from her critics, that no decent conversation can be had. Anthoposophy is described by critics as a religion that seeks to brainwash children and help them reincarnate into higher beings. This description is supposed to make your hair stand and does the truth a great disservice. Anthroposophy is not a cult nor does it manipulate people into abdicating one iota of their free will.
Raphael3008 3 years ago
To paint this philosphy so darkly only confuses readers looking to find the FACTS before putting their children into a Waldorf school. Waldorf is not overtly anthroposophical, infact the philosophy is NEVER mentioned in School for fear of manipulating children. Anthroposophy IS mentioned often to PARENTS and described as the philosophical foundation behind Waldorf pedagogics.
Raphael3008 3 years ago
What you say is actually misleading. The people who DO find out the FACTS about Steiner Waldorf they find it is totally rooted in anthroposophy, and that, contrary to what you say, this is deliberately kept from parents until they are deemed "ready". Steiner trained teachers have said that they're taught to be misleading; Steiner teachers, and above all, anthroposophists think they have knowledge that others don't.Raphael- (nice archangel name btw) there are ALOT of people contadicting you here.
tenguineas 3 years ago
Waldorf teachers have every rights to adhere to anthroposophical "beliefs" just as mainstream teachers have their rights to believe whatever they want in freedom- It is foolish to say that mainstream schools have no fundamental belief system, no matris, which the modern Industrial society bathes in. We are the product of an evolution of consciousness from caveman to Ipod.
Raphael3008 3 years ago
Waldorf does have a very different interpetation of what transpired the last few thousand years, but so do many other non western/eurocentered cultures. It would be foolish to ignore the multiplicity of understands different people can have about human development.
Waldorf does strive to explorer new ideas about society and our artistic involvement in our world. Waldorf does strives to cultivate both an artistic appreciation for the sciences and a scientific approach to the arts.
Raphael3008 3 years ago
oh, sorry, you say you're a parent,not a teacher...I was confused.
yanyayanga 3 years ago
Hi- there are numerous writings by Steiner on skin colour and race "Blond hair actually bestows intelligence. In the case of fair people, less nourishment is driven into the eyes and hair; it remains instead in the brain and endows it with intelligence. Brown- and dark-haired people drive the substances into their eyes and hair that the fair people retain in their brains.HEALTH AND ILLNESS, VOL. 1. Lectures from 1922 (Anthroposophic Press, 1981)p 85-86 - a partcularly controversial one...
LondonRefugee 3 years ago
Tenguineas, the word used is actually 'incarnated' not 're-incarnated'. Meaning that the 'true agenda' which you speak of lurking behind Steiner schools is to help children mature into their physical bodies. Oooh spooky! Someone call the police! It's totally nefarious and not at all WHAT EVERY other school is trying to do in the world!!!
MrSkimmity 3 years ago
I believe Tenguineas has one good point we need transparency within ANY educational model, as I am studying to be a teacher I am finding out how little there is in the Australian school system. There are lots of resources to find out more about Steiner School philosophy if people are not too lazy to do their research. I would like to hear more about your personal experiences as a parent of Steiner education.
magiccatsmother 3 years ago