Can Seduction and Pick Up Tactics Work for You?

[Limeteaser]

Taking advice from Dan and Jenn about relationships and sex is like going to your high school guidance counselor for the same. Absolute rubbish.

To Dan, Jenn and anyone else unfairly maligning the PUA "movement" without even knowing the basics: Acquaint yourself with the concept of "inner game" for starters. Yes there are manipulators out there, but true seduction is about SELF IMPROVEMENT. It's about being your best. Improved relationships w/ the opposite sex is a by- product.

[cekefah]

your WIIPPPPEEEDDD

[rupazer0]

I agree that some of the time this is true but as a woman I do find it kind of inspiring when PUAs talk about a man learning how to demonstrate his own value so that a girl has the information she needs to be able to choose him. I meet nice guys every day who I would have considered dating if he was capable of flirting with me, and these are the guys that really need to learn the techniques. He doesn't have to lie, but he needs to demonstrate the truth to a much more appealing extent.

[DragowarriO]

You seem to presume that you are the cherry on top of every guy's world.

This is the problem with how most American women think. They believe they are goddesses, worthy of worship. If I like a girl, yes I'll go after her, but I also respect a girl who can approach me. Why does it always have to be flirtatious, can't it just be friendly?

Vanity and ego from either a guy or girl isn't good, and I won't even give a stuck-up girl the time of day.

[Mpua24]

whoa whoa hang on, FAKE self confidence??? since when is learning how to be confident fake? and since when do any of the pick up gurus teach u to not be urself? u guys really need to read and understand the material before u post somthing like this.

[DragowarriO]

The fact is, most of the guys who use PUA strategies are only in it for sex. It is irritating, and proves that people who have more control over situations tend to abuse it for their own selfishness. I.E. Beautiful girls, guys with money, etc.

The problem is, people become so full of themselves, and they deceive themselves into thinking they are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Also, I'd say to just be yourself; Not follow a book that tells you who to be. No one is perfect anyway.

[Mpua24]

First of all, don't let the few guys who are only in it for sex ruin it for the rest of us. Second the advice "just be yourself" has got to be the worst advice ever. Guys always say "just be your self and be confident." That's like telling guys who don't have a clue to be a more assertive loser next time they meet a woman. How in the hell does that help?!? I'm not saying to go and change ur personality but being social is a skill and you have to practice it to be good at it.

[jamesgirlyful]

@DragowarriO What you say isn't even true because being selfish depends on a person. What these books do is that they make you aware of stuff you didn't know. They don't turn you into someone fake, they just teach you how to make yourself into a better version of yourself.

Also, dan and jenn said that you should "be yourself", but you know what, a person I know does that and he's always by himself. I felt sorry for him and taught him many things I learned from PUAs and guess what, he way beter

[siukong]

I don't agree with this one. To me the core message of many of these tactics is to do with healthy principles like body language/eye contact, and feeling and confident and happy with yourself. So much so that you can behave around a girl like you do around your close friends and family - that level of closeness where you can humorously tease and both be comfortable with it.

[siukong]

... Because the fact of the matter is that a lot of guys (especially the ones with low confidence) AREN'T themselves on a date. They'll be nervous and retreat into a shell, and lose any chance of developing a real chemistry. Most of the "tricks" are aspects of body language to put guys with less social skill back on a level playing field with women.

That being said, there are some guys who exploit those principles to score at will. But don't see those guys as representative of the whole group.

[Mpua24]

im glad somone agrees with me

[Ryuseikun]

Wait, wait, what's all this stuff about seduction being "dishonest", that's not true at all. All the lines and tricks are for begginer guys who are afraid to approach. But most of them are to just build confidence for guys who don't know what to say. Then after approaching for a while, they can take the techniques they learn, find what works for them and fit it into their personally. There are guys who just use lines, but true PUA gurus actually work the techniques into their personality.

[mk22i]

what is this?

[energiz20]

Dan and Jenn are my heroes!

[seyxlondon]

Oh yeh great, so are saying that a guy should just be himself do all the wrong things at the wrong times, and be dam unhappy becouse girls will only fell sorry for you if you don't know how seduction works... You have got to be kidin me... Many of this guys and up commiting suicide, using prostitutes or become bitter. Learning to seduce is not, not being yourself it is BEING YOUR BEST. AND SKILLFULL.

[pinksugr05]

Look, I agree with them wholeheartedly on this. Being yourself is key. If you want to really have a meaningful and deep relationship with someone you really love and want to be loved in return, you want him/her to be in love with YOU, not with whatever you're mimicking.

[Bobzeaux]

If you're not going to get that cute girl that you see every day at work, church, or whatever by either being a pickup artist or by being yourself, then there's nothing you CAN do. If being yourself was REALLY all a guy needed to be attractive to women, then why does the guy have so many problems and is in need of rectification?

[salesgirljobless]

These people don't know crap. Who made them authorities. Everything they say isnt new, they are talking on the level of a teenager.

[animeMMA]

why would you get a girl who goes to church????????

oh you won't get a girl huh? that's why i had a relationship for two years.

[energiz20]

Dann and Jenn are so right. What is this seduction garbage I keep hearing about. It sounds like a load of rubbish. If you really want to get a girl it takes time and patience, once she sees you as a true friend then she will open herself up to you as an individual.

[Chrijz]

Then you have to learn to "Leaving the Friend Zone" :-P

[jamesgirlyful]

@energiz20 You say this but you don't even know that seduction teaches people how to connect with girls and making them open up to you.

[energiz20]

Oh my gosh what you Dan and Jenn said was so true!!! I don't believe in any seduction garbage and neither should anyone else. Thats exactly what it is. Garbage!

Cool mug by the way

[rocker2084]

these 2 need to read up on the pick up arts before they come on here and bad mouth it. its obvious they have no idea what its all about.

[simcity1989]

ITS NOT TRICKING a girl into going out with you, its making it easier to communicate with her, giving you more opportunities, its Teaching you to be yourself, rather then some "nice guy" bullshit manipulative trash that oesn't work, women can tell if you are an honest guy, an this shows you that you dont need to try an impress them, and gives you the confidence to go up to fit girls

[Zayed63]

Do me a favor: Go out, and "be yourself" to a girl that is drop-dead gorgeous. See how she reacts. Walk up to her and say: "Hey, I really like those shoes :)" nine times out ten, she will be likely to say something along the lines of: "Thanks, my boyfriend got them for me." This is a hint tell you to leave her the hell alone. However, if you walk up to her and show her that you're not after her, she won't put up her "bitch shield" and try to repel you.

[rocker2084]

so basically what theyre saying is that people cant change right? if ur acting differently than u used to ur fake, not changed? these people are fuckin idiots. i follow the mystery method, ive changed and im happy with it. i think they need to read a few things before they give advice about anything.

[Shadpro]

This is nonsense, tricking to go out with you? And pleasee always that crap about, you just need to be yourself. THen define 'yourself' for me please. Isnt your whole self made up out of experiences and perceptions that you actually didnt start ? The only thing that I think REALLY is being yourself is the need to replicate & doing what you really want, if you want to be a PUA, then thats being yourself.

[ahhmyeye]

You say it's doesn't hold up because you pretended your something you're not. That's not what it's about. A lot of times the desired girl won't even give a guy 2 seconds to say his name. These methods give guys the opportunity to attract them so they get a chance to show who they are. Another thing is a lot of the methods aren't just techniques layed out step by step but more a how-to on gaining self esteem and reinventing oneself.

[alekzk]

hey Mayimbej if you think that a hard to get woman is more valuable than a girl who's not so hard to get then I think you're nuts.

men learn seduction to be better persons not just to get laid (which is just a plus) and after all seduction is just a game in the social dynamic.

my tought about seduction is this: seduction tips and tactics are just a guide to go somewhere... how do you arrive to that place is up to you.

[stevenConwell]

So basically, your points are

1) if I use these 'sleazy' methods, they'll work

2)  Giving a woman a great evening or 2 using someone's advice is bad

3) Being alone is better than what the seduction community offers

Great, Dan and Jennifer! Sign me up!

[Mayimbej]

I think girls that fall for seduction, are not worth a man's time.. Or vice versa, cuz if each party falls for this seduction..

they are weak, learn seduction so you are not seduced :)

Wat does the crowd think of my response?

[jahmazing86]

yeah but what if you like become a better person and so girls like you even more?

thats what the community was all about in the core, years ago.

now, commercially infected, all those info products are really shit, because this game is not about the information, its about the emotions you feel while playing it.

you cannot hide them, thats in most cases stupid. but rather transform them.