You are being disingenuous on purpose and that is a sin. However, this sin is moot for you. You know quite well Catholics know the Saints are not God. To ask a Saint for intercession is no different than a prayer line of a Protestant Church. We honor Saints who tried to live like Christ. Ever wonder why there are no Protestant saints?
@alexmcginness Don't flatter yourself, "Trucker Bob" since you are just a profane fool who cannot even read Greek or Hebrew while he makes it clear all over YouTube that he knows neither the Scriptures in any language nor the power of God.
You habitual antichrist liars never have anything intelligent to say about the inerrant King James Bible, and your lost and blind herd of unregenerate revisionist fanatics are all headed for hell and a hopeless eternity in the lake of fire.
@alexmcginess Unlike you, boggymark1, catholicexodus, KingJames Bible were right.
Your ignorant ant vulgar remarks make about as much sense as a convoluted tome by Cornelius Van Til. His writings and your silly posts both marginalize the Scriptures and misconstrue all manner of sound Biblical doctrines.
Evidently, your "Bible" is a figment of your mere preference and has been published nowhere at any time.
When (if ever) did you come under conviction that you are a lost sinner bound for hell?
Apparently, you and your unregenerate husbandman belong to a very small sty of revisionist swine.
The Lord Jesus Chist said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you" (Matt. 7:6)
The Son of God also said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me" (John 5:39).
Legions of devils already hate the truth of the Holy Scriptures, and your paltry Alexandrian efforts to intrigue Biblical illiterates into despising the King James Bible because of your groundless speculations, pedantic sophistries, and egotistical faux "scholarship" will not even be recognized by most of Beelzebub's lackeys.
It is clear enough that you don't even believe that Holy Scriptures in their entirety are actually available to anyone except as a fool's guess.
When David prays to angelic beings of heaven to bless the Lord, this also was not offensive to God (Ps.103:20–21), nor prayer to Human beings "Bless the Lord, all you his angels: you that are mighty in strength, and execute his word, hearkening to the voice of his orders. Bless the Lord, all you his hosts: you ministers of his that do his will.Bless the Lord, all his works: in every place of his dominion, O my soul, bless the Lord." Their it is!!
Here are a few Scriptural passages, Tobit 13:12-15, Revelation 5:8, or Revelation 8:3-4, which depict heavenly beings offering the prayers of mortals before God. How did they come to get these prayers from mortals? Did God give it to them to give back? weird isn't it? Also read Job 33:23-24.
If the objection is conversing with the dead, ponder this: Mark 9:3 "And there appeared to them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus." Saints are alive and hear our prayer to the lord. AMEN!
What's really funny is that your drivel proves your ignorance of sound Biblical doctrine in English while you (a) pose as an exegete of James and (b) don't know what the inerrant Holy Scriptures are in any--including your native--language but (c) openly admit that you are totally illiterate in Greek and Hebrew yet (d) claim that there are "many errors" in the inerrant King James Bible and (e) proclaim that you are unregenerate.
Lost and blind, the unregenerate are dead in sins.
No one in 400 years has ever proven any historical or linguistic fact that refutes the plenary verbal inerrancy of the King James Bible in fully legible English, which is the lingua franca of our contemporary world.
While quoting "Chapter and verse" has exposed popish toadies and Pharisaical infidels like you, "Trucker Bob," your ilk of lying swine have been blinded by Satan, the god of this world, who looks forward to your arrival in hell prepared for the devil and his angels.
Catholics foolishly say they don't pray to mary, yet others do. This is not the issue. The issue is that the catholic organisation TEACHES you to pray to mary and the "saints" ( CCC 2676, 2675, 2679 ), yet God tells us to pray to HIM ALONE! So many Biblical contradiction in the catholic organisation
@apopyalips God blinds people 'because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.(2 Thes 2:10). I am not a Calvinist, I believe people do 'not like to retain God in their knowledge' (Ro 1:28) therefore he blinds them. Even though they have to be drawn by the Spirit I still say...
2co 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;
@catholicexodus well that's just it... It was such a common practice that not many people really were surprised. It was just something everyone knew about
@joseph12ful Then couldn't we justify any cultic practice by saying 'everyone knew, it was just understood'? In fact the veneration of Mary is promoted in just the same way.
Actually, in the books 1 and 2 Maccabees, the practice of praying for the intercession of souls in heaven is quite obvious, especially 2 Maccabees. To bad Protestants decided to tear that book outof the Bible in the KJV and subsequent English translations.
@joseph12ful So this Old testament (or intertestamental) book would have something as vital as that and NO NT apostle would ever mention it? Don't make me laugh!
The rich man was in hell, alive there but not on earth. After Papists die and go to hell they can cry, weep, wail, or scream for water to whomever, but it won't do them any good. Again, Romanist private interpreters fail to understand even the easiest Biblical text.
Salvation is a free gift to those who believe the Son of God and are saved from their sins by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
@boggymark1 Salvation is a free gift to those who believe the Son of God and are saved from their sins by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. ''
Yes the Church dose teach that but you have dropped off something .
.(James2:17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.
18 But some one will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. )
@catholicexodus '''What works is boggymark1 doing? He is on the Internet, defending the true gospel if nothing else.''
So are you saying that its NOT by faith alone you are saved ? I thought you guys tossed that out of Scripture along with Luther, For did he not toss James & other books out of Scripture because they countered HIS teachings ..As they do yours if you go by that theology ..
@iSATANRIKUZUSU When David prays to angelic beings of heaven to bless the Lord, this also was not offensive to God (Ps.103:20–21), nor prayer to Human beings "Bless the Lord, all you his angels: you that are mighty in strength, and execute his word, hearkening to the voice of his orders. Bless the Lord, all you his hosts: you ministers of his that do his will.Bless the Lord, all his works: in every place of his dominion, O my soul, bless the Lord." Their it is!!
@jjpetkusiii jumbaljoe was boasting about his being well-versed in scripture (when he challenged me to a debate)...I told him he was well-versed in Catholic sophistries, as you can see he is. It would be a blast to have a tag-team debate: you and me vs. jumbaljoe and his false priest, surrounded by idols and pagan trappings.
Indeed, foolish neo-Gnosticism and sophistries wickedly defending the doctrines of devils represent the sum and substance of modern jesuitical Catholicism, Brother.
While I deeply admire your visceral fortitude, I am not entirely convinced that my own stomach is quite strong enough to withstand a debater's evening of nauseating popish Romanist baloney slickly disguised by frauds as truth from the Holy Scriptures.
@jumbaljoe Not that tired 2 Peter 1:20 argument again! Peter is obviously talking about how scripture was RECEIVED. He is not, as you suppose, forbidding man to read and understand for himself nor is he relgating the interpretation to any 'Magisterium. The church is the pillar and ground of the truth, ey? This is basically a restating of 'ye are the light of the world'. We, (the real church, invisible) are the light of the world.
Jerusalem is not Rome, the great whore according to Revelation 17 and Revelation 18, any more than the two witnesses of Revelation 11 are Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, the Son of God.
Moreover, the Lord Jesus Christ said, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us"(Rom. 5:8).
Indeed, your reply was not at all interesting or informative, but it was palpably misleading as your typically trite, empty rhetoric goes. Please feel free to address your insignificant trivia to someone who, unlike you, recognizes the inherent fallacies in your fundamentally pointless posts in the future.
For the English-speaking peoples, however, the King James Bible is the Holy Scriptures without error, omission, or addition as a matter of historical fact.
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@jjpetkusiii Yes, just as those errors prove you think the KJV is infallible. If it is so infallible then why did his wife convert to Catholicism?
King James was a King, I suppose you would by a Bill Clinton bible too wouldnt you? I'll be that one will say thou SHALL commit adultery....Oops there was a KJV that made that error before.
Too bad all the sacred manuscripts were entrusted to the Vatican...so where did king jimmy get his papers... history would say he copied a Catholic Bible..
On the basis of your posts, it is fully reasonable to assert that you write like a lying solipsist because your remarks have repeatedly represented a denial of the Holy Scriptures themselves, preserved by the LORD, under a bogus guise of ‘
"textual criticism" of the King James Bible which is in fact the Old Testament and New Testament in English.
The King James Bible is the Holy Scriptures, verbally inerrant in English, as a matter of historical fact.
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@jjpetkusiii Oh and as to errors..... here's another
Only in the KJV can you "wake up" dead.
Isaiah 37:36 Then the angel of the LORD went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they [were] all dead corpses.
Long ago, manuscript evidence established that the text of the AV1611 derives from Antioch--where the disciples were first called Christians--chiefly down the Byzantine line, and therefore comes from the pure Biblical texts. Furthermore, sound Biblical doctrine and valid hermeneutic methodology are not matters of debate, as jjpetkusiii already pointed out. Of course, no error in the Scriptural text of the King James Bible has ever been proven.
The Alexandrian family of manuscripts is manifestly corrupted, poorly attested by contrast to the Byzantine (Antiochian) line in the main, wildly conflated, and "is supported" routinely by emendation and pedantic speculation.
A concise, cogent reference work on the sound Biblical doctrine of Scriptural preservation by the LORD is titled, "Which Version is the Bible?" by Floyd Nolen Jones. Please feel free to send me a Personal Message via YouTube for more details.
@boggymark1 at what Point was King James Divinely inspired? When was he ordained as a Man of God? His bible has no authority or authorization by God. King James never declares his translation to be the Inherent word of God.All he says is it is a translation. His translation is no more inspired by God than the works of Plato. That is a fact.
So believe in it all you want. Like I said KJV believers are worshipers of the book and not God.
You continue to post obscurantist drivel, patently oblivious to the indisputable historical and linguistic facts as you misrepresent the Holy Bible.
No one who knows anything about the Alexandrian corruption that derives from the fifth column concocted by the Gnostic Origen in the Third Century A.D. can honestly deny that his followers produced anything but a deliberatly conflated mockery of the genuine Biblical text--unless he is an ignoramus or a pathological liar.
@jjpetkusiii I see your ability to read and comprehend is top notch considering it was another user that made the comment about Alexandrian corruption.
So one must contend you read and understand the bible in the same fashion.
Nothing that you posted so far proves any of your assertions apparently written somewhere in the realm of the bizarre. That, of course, came as no surprise to me because no one has ever proven an error in the Biblical text of the AV1611 since its publication during the reign of King James VI of Scotland and I of England.
Free of errors, omissions, and additions, the King James Bible is the Holy Scriptures in English as a matter of historical fact.
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@jjpetkusiii Really? Hmm... the original av1611 had the deuterocanonical books where did they go? That is an Historical Fact. Seems like proof to me. The KJV must of had a revision?
Reading it from a Heretic's point of view, I am sure it is without error to you. To the True Christian God fearing people it is a heretical book concocted to control the masses.
For the KJV to have even an ounce of credibility you have to show that it was divinely inspired by God and It wasnt
Dean Burgon conclusively debunked the myth that any text which was not Scripture made its way into the pages of the King James Bible. The Son of God said, "Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me" (John 5:39).
If a man does not believe the Holy Bible, then logically, he cannot believe the Lord Jesus Christ! The King James Bible is the Holy Scriptures, verbally inerrant in English as an irrefutable matter of fact
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@jjpetkusiii wow a KJV only determined that? Funny he failed to proved to the educated world. You are grasping at straws now.
So tell me if the deuterocanonical books are not scripture then why are they the only books that contain the history of Hanukkah (1&2 Maccabees) they are found in the oldest bible in the world (news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4739369.stm) and are found in the dead sea scrolls?
There is nothing "Holy" about the KJV. King James was a King and thought to be Gay.
Earlier authoritative Bibles in English like Tyndale's or the Geneva were translated from a pure line of manuscripts, but the AV1611 was the culmination of such translations and has remained the final authority for the English-speaking peoples since its publication.
The accuracy of the King James Bible in English is unrivalled because the AV1611 is the perfect translation of the Holy Scriptures into our common language during its Golden Age.
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@jjpetkusiii Final Authority? Umm no. Just the most distributed. Still no more Holier than comic book.
The Douay Rheims is the most accurate and come directly from the Latin Vulgate which came from the complete sacred manuscripts at the Vatican. NO ONE HAS ALL THE COMPLETE SACRED MANUSCRIPTS BUT THE VATICAN.
So now we are back to square 1. King James or any Protestant sect didnt have the documents. There were not copies just floating around and Luther stole a Catholic Bible.
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever" (Psalm 12:6-7).
The Tanakh as attested by Jacob ben Hayyim and the best recension of the TR as attested by Scrivener, along with earlier Bibles in English and many authoritative Old and New Testament texts in other languages, refute every bit of your trivial nonsense.
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@boggymark1 Oh Please. Dont spout scripture to me and ignore the scriptural facts. King James was not Holy....duh. You are following man, not God with all the names you through.
Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
You are talking in circles as all KJV only people do. You worship the KJV just like (KJV) Luke 14:10 were you can have worship like God violating the 10 commandments! KJV ERROR!!
Papist infidels like you have been pushing various jesuitical lines of baloney about the Reformation Era translations of the Holy Bible since the days of Inigo de Loyola. The historical fact of God truthfully keeping and preserving the Scriptures, His own inspired words, which is the promise that the Scriptures repeatedly record, can hardly be invalidated by your cavilling dispute or captious criticism, however.
No linguistic of historical error in the AV1611 has ever been proven.
As a matter of historical fact, the King James Bible is the Holy Scriptures, verbally inerrant in its flawless translation of the Old Testament and the New Testament into exemplary English. The inerrant truth of the AV1611 has been demonstrated by the reality that no one has ever proven an error anywhere in its Biblical text since its publication.
You fail exegesis, by the way, along with logic and reading comprehension in English, but your infidel's line of baloney posing as a case against the King James Bible is nothing new. (For example, Anthony Flew had been an atheist in the past but learned better over time; he, however, is neither a solipsist nor an intellectual ostrich--or moral degenerate--out to make a show of his folly). In fact, no one including you has ever proven a linguistic or historical error in the AV1611.
As darkness follows sunset and awakens the creatures of the night, infidels--particularly inveterate atheists--are rather bizarre aliens to the realm of truth and light.
The myths of Romanist idolators, however, will not disprove the existence of the Son of God, Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."
Is there anything about the Lord Jesus Christ that you still need to know?
Your remarks make about as much sense as a convoluted tome by Cornelius Van Til. His writings and your posts both repeatedly marginalize the Scriptures and misconstrue all manner of sound Biblical doctrines.
Evidently, your "Bible" is a figment of your popish preference and has been published nowhere at any time.
For the English-speaking peoples, however, the King James Bible has preserved the Holy Scriptures perfectly since 1611 as a matter of historical fact.
@jumbaljoe What about my question? How does the 'Church' explain how I was once an 'infidel' but now a brother. Which council was infallible: Trent or Vatican II?
You are being disingenuous on purpose and that is a sin. However, this sin is moot for you. You know quite well Catholics know the Saints are not God. To ask a Saint for intercession is no different than a prayer line of a Protestant Church. We honor Saints who tried to live like Christ. Ever wonder why there are no Protestant saints?
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@alexmcginness Don't flatter yourself, "Trucker Bob" since you are just a profane fool who cannot even read Greek or Hebrew while he makes it clear all over YouTube that he knows neither the Scriptures in any language nor the power of God.
You habitual antichrist liars never have anything intelligent to say about the inerrant King James Bible, and your lost and blind herd of unregenerate revisionist fanatics are all headed for hell and a hopeless eternity in the lake of fire.
Learn to read.
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@alexmcginness Grow a brain, you illiterate antichrist liar.
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@alexmcginess Unlike you, boggymark1, catholicexodus, KingJames Bible were right.
Your ignorant ant vulgar remarks make about as much sense as a convoluted tome by Cornelius Van Til. His writings and your silly posts both marginalize the Scriptures and misconstrue all manner of sound Biblical doctrines.
Evidently, your "Bible" is a figment of your mere preference and has been published nowhere at any time.
When (if ever) did you come under conviction that you are a lost sinner bound for hell?
jjpetkusiii 3 months ago
@alexmcginness
Apparently, you and your unregenerate husbandman belong to a very small sty of revisionist swine.
The Lord Jesus Chist said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you" (Matt. 7:6)
The Son of God also said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me" (John 5:39).
There are no errors in the inerrant AV1611.
jjpetkusiii 4 months ago
@alexmcginness Wake up.
Legions of devils already hate the truth of the Holy Scriptures, and your paltry Alexandrian efforts to intrigue Biblical illiterates into despising the King James Bible because of your groundless speculations, pedantic sophistries, and egotistical faux "scholarship" will not even be recognized by most of Beelzebub's lackeys.
It is clear enough that you don't even believe that Holy Scriptures in their entirety are actually available to anyone except as a fool's guess.
jjpetkusiii 4 months ago
Catholics don't pray to saints. It's a fundamentalist distortion.
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When David prays to angelic beings of heaven to bless the Lord, this also was not offensive to God (Ps.103:20–21), nor prayer to Human beings "Bless the Lord, all you his angels: you that are mighty in strength, and execute his word, hearkening to the voice of his orders. Bless the Lord, all you his hosts: you ministers of his that do his will.Bless the Lord, all his works: in every place of his dominion, O my soul, bless the Lord." Their it is!!
hockeyrulesus 6 months ago
Here are a few Scriptural passages, Tobit 13:12-15, Revelation 5:8, or Revelation 8:3-4, which depict heavenly beings offering the prayers of mortals before God. How did they come to get these prayers from mortals? Did God give it to them to give back? weird isn't it? Also read Job 33:23-24.
If the objection is conversing with the dead, ponder this: Mark 9:3 "And there appeared to them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus." Saints are alive and hear our prayer to the lord. AMEN!
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@alexmcginness
What's really funny is that your drivel proves your ignorance of sound Biblical doctrine in English while you (a) pose as an exegete of James and (b) don't know what the inerrant Holy Scriptures are in any--including your native--language but (c) openly admit that you are totally illiterate in Greek and Hebrew yet (d) claim that there are "many errors" in the inerrant King James Bible and (e) proclaim that you are unregenerate.
Lost and blind, the unregenerate are dead in sins.
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No one in 400 years has ever proven any historical or linguistic fact that refutes the plenary verbal inerrancy of the King James Bible in fully legible English, which is the lingua franca of our contemporary world.
While quoting "Chapter and verse" has exposed popish toadies and Pharisaical infidels like you, "Trucker Bob," your ilk of lying swine have been blinded by Satan, the god of this world, who looks forward to your arrival in hell prepared for the devil and his angels.
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Catholics foolishly say they don't pray to mary, yet others do. This is not the issue. The issue is that the catholic organisation TEACHES you to pray to mary and the "saints" ( CCC 2676, 2675, 2679 ), yet God tells us to pray to HIM ALONE! So many Biblical contradiction in the catholic organisation
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@apopyalips God blinds people 'because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.(2 Thes 2:10). I am not a Calvinist, I believe people do 'not like to retain God in their knowledge' (Ro 1:28) therefore he blinds them. Even though they have to be drawn by the Spirit I still say...
2co 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;
God bless!
catholicexodus 1 year ago
@catholicexodus well that's just it... It was such a common practice that not many people really were surprised. It was just something everyone knew about
joseph12ful 1 year ago
@joseph12ful Then couldn't we justify any cultic practice by saying 'everyone knew, it was just understood'? In fact the veneration of Mary is promoted in just the same way.
catholicexodus 1 year ago
Actually, in the books 1 and 2 Maccabees, the practice of praying for the intercession of souls in heaven is quite obvious, especially 2 Maccabees. To bad Protestants decided to tear that book outof the Bible in the KJV and subsequent English translations.
joseph12ful 1 year ago
@joseph12ful So this Old testament (or intertestamental) book would have something as vital as that and NO NT apostle would ever mention it? Don't make me laugh!
catholicexodus 1 year ago
Nevertheless, we have a soul conversing with someone in heaven other than God, and heaven answers.
iSATANRIKUZUSU 1 year ago
" How come nobody elsewhere in scripture is ever seen asking for intercession from a saint in heaven or an angel, not even once." (2:03)
Our Lord told a story of a rich man who died and called out, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus...But Abraham said..." Lk.16.
iSATANRIKUZUSU 1 year ago
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The rich man was in hell, alive there but not on earth. After Papists die and go to hell they can cry, weep, wail, or scream for water to whomever, but it won't do them any good. Again, Romanist private interpreters fail to understand even the easiest Biblical text.
Salvation is a free gift to those who believe the Son of God and are saved from their sins by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
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@boggymark1 Salvation is a free gift to those who believe the Son of God and are saved from their sins by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. ''
Yes the Church dose teach that but you have dropped off something .
.(James2:17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.
18 But some one will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. )
The question what works are you a doing ?
Seekerr1 1 year ago
@Seekerr1 What works is boggymark1 doing? He is on the Internet, defending the true gospel if nothing else.
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@catholicexodus '''What works is boggymark1 doing? He is on the Internet, defending the true gospel if nothing else.''
So are you saying that its NOT by faith alone you are saved ? I thought you guys tossed that out of Scripture along with Luther, For did he not toss James & other books out of Scripture because they countered HIS teachings ..As they do yours if you go by that theology ..
Seekerr1 1 year ago
@iSATANRIKUZUSU When David prays to angelic beings of heaven to bless the Lord, this also was not offensive to God (Ps.103:20–21), nor prayer to Human beings "Bless the Lord, all you his angels: you that are mighty in strength, and execute his word, hearkening to the voice of his orders. Bless the Lord, all you his hosts: you ministers of his that do his will.Bless the Lord, all his works: in every place of his dominion, O my soul, bless the Lord." Their it is!!
hockeyrulesus 6 months ago
Can anyone begin to imagine the veritable nightmare that heaven would be, if it were that those there could see the upheaval existent here on earth?
No, they would have to change the description of what heaven is according to the Bible, versus that which this primitive cult makes it to be!
Praise God that be it Mary or anyone else does not see this pandemonium here on earth!
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@jjpetkusiii jumbaljoe was boasting about his being well-versed in scripture (when he challenged me to a debate)...I told him he was well-versed in Catholic sophistries, as you can see he is. It would be a blast to have a tag-team debate: you and me vs. jumbaljoe and his false priest, surrounded by idols and pagan trappings.
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Indeed, foolish neo-Gnosticism and sophistries wickedly defending the doctrines of devils represent the sum and substance of modern jesuitical Catholicism, Brother.
While I deeply admire your visceral fortitude, I am not entirely convinced that my own stomach is quite strong enough to withstand a debater's evening of nauseating popish Romanist baloney slickly disguised by frauds as truth from the Holy Scriptures.
Thank you again for all your excellent videos.
God speed!
jjpetkusiii 1 year ago 6
@jumbaljoe WHo says it's the same great city?
catholicexodus 1 year ago 2
@jumbaljoe Not that tired 2 Peter 1:20 argument again! Peter is obviously talking about how scripture was RECEIVED. He is not, as you suppose, forbidding man to read and understand for himself nor is he relgating the interpretation to any 'Magisterium. The church is the pillar and ground of the truth, ey? This is basically a restating of 'ye are the light of the world'. We, (the real church, invisible) are the light of the world.
catholicexodus 1 year ago 3
@jjpetkusiii Awe, you cant answer about the whore of babylon so you change the subject?
Again typical Protestant tactic...... cant stay on topic.
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
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Jerusalem is not Rome, the great whore according to Revelation 17 and Revelation 18, any more than the two witnesses of Revelation 11 are Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, the Son of God.
Moreover, the Lord Jesus Christ said, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us"(Rom. 5:8).
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@jjpetkusiii Yes, Jerusalem is not Rome. The Great City is Jerusalem.
The KJV is a heretic Bible! The only bible that you can be worshiped in even tho it is against the 10 commandments!
The Only Bible that says John the Baptist last name is actually "Baptist"
(in Part) Luke 14:10 ~~then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them ~~~~
Mat 14:8 And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger.
How's that for changing the subject?!
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
@jumbaljoe
Indeed, your reply was not at all interesting or informative, but it was palpably misleading as your typically trite, empty rhetoric goes. Please feel free to address your insignificant trivia to someone who, unlike you, recognizes the inherent fallacies in your fundamentally pointless posts in the future.
For the English-speaking peoples, however, the King James Bible is the Holy Scriptures without error, omission, or addition as a matter of historical fact.
jjpetkusiii 1 year ago 9
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@jjpetkusiii Yes, just as those errors prove you think the KJV is infallible. If it is so infallible then why did his wife convert to Catholicism?
King James was a King, I suppose you would by a Bill Clinton bible too wouldnt you? I'll be that one will say thou SHALL commit adultery....Oops there was a KJV that made that error before.
Too bad all the sacred manuscripts were entrusted to the Vatican...so where did king jimmy get his papers... history would say he copied a Catholic Bible..
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
@jumbaljoe
On the basis of your posts, it is fully reasonable to assert that you write like a lying solipsist because your remarks have repeatedly represented a denial of the Holy Scriptures themselves, preserved by the LORD, under a bogus guise of ‘
"textual criticism" of the King James Bible which is in fact the Old Testament and New Testament in English.
The King James Bible is the Holy Scriptures, verbally inerrant in English, as a matter of historical fact.
boggymark1 1 year ago 11
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@jjpetkusiii Oh and as to errors..... here's another
Only in the KJV can you "wake up" dead.
Isaiah 37:36 Then the angel of the LORD went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they [were] all dead corpses.
the KJV is FULL OF ERRORS!
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
@jumbaljoe
Long ago, manuscript evidence established that the text of the AV1611 derives from Antioch--where the disciples were first called Christians--chiefly down the Byzantine line, and therefore comes from the pure Biblical texts. Furthermore, sound Biblical doctrine and valid hermeneutic methodology are not matters of debate, as jjpetkusiii already pointed out. Of course, no error in the Scriptural text of the King James Bible has ever been proven.
boggymark1 1 year ago 10
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@boggymark1 I see your friend was in over his head and had to cry for help?
I have shown the errors. I can show you a ton of them. The KJV has been revised too many times to count, if it is perfect then why so many revisions?
King James was not divinely inspired, he commissioned his bible to control his people.
"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant." ---John Henry Newman
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the KJV is nothing more than and IDOL to you so keep worshiping it and not God and his word! Shame on you!
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
@jumbaljoe
The Alexandrian family of manuscripts is manifestly corrupted, poorly attested by contrast to the Byzantine (Antiochian) line in the main, wildly conflated, and "is supported" routinely by emendation and pedantic speculation.
A concise, cogent reference work on the sound Biblical doctrine of Scriptural preservation by the LORD is titled, "Which Version is the Bible?" by Floyd Nolen Jones. Please feel free to send me a Personal Message via YouTube for more details.
boggymark1 1 year ago 10
@boggymark1 at what Point was King James Divinely inspired? When was he ordained as a Man of God? His bible has no authority or authorization by God. King James never declares his translation to be the Inherent word of God.All he says is it is a translation. His translation is no more inspired by God than the works of Plato. That is a fact.
So believe in it all you want. Like I said KJV believers are worshipers of the book and not God.
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
@jumbaljoe
You continue to post obscurantist drivel, patently oblivious to the indisputable historical and linguistic facts as you misrepresent the Holy Bible.
No one who knows anything about the Alexandrian corruption that derives from the fifth column concocted by the Gnostic Origen in the Third Century A.D. can honestly deny that his followers produced anything but a deliberatly conflated mockery of the genuine Biblical text--unless he is an ignoramus or a pathological liar.
jjpetkusiii 1 year ago 11
@jjpetkusiii I see your ability to read and comprehend is top notch considering it was another user that made the comment about Alexandrian corruption.
So one must contend you read and understand the bible in the same fashion.
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
@jumbaljoe
Nothing that you posted so far proves any of your assertions apparently written somewhere in the realm of the bizarre. That, of course, came as no surprise to me because no one has ever proven an error in the Biblical text of the AV1611 since its publication during the reign of King James VI of Scotland and I of England.
Free of errors, omissions, and additions, the King James Bible is the Holy Scriptures in English as a matter of historical fact.
jjpetkusiii 1 year ago 10
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@jjpetkusiii Really? Hmm... the original av1611 had the deuterocanonical books where did they go? That is an Historical Fact. Seems like proof to me. The KJV must of had a revision?
Reading it from a Heretic's point of view, I am sure it is without error to you. To the True Christian God fearing people it is a heretical book concocted to control the masses.
For the KJV to have even an ounce of credibility you have to show that it was divinely inspired by God and It wasnt
Otherwise it is junk!
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
@jumbaljoe
Dean Burgon conclusively debunked the myth that any text which was not Scripture made its way into the pages of the King James Bible. The Son of God said, "Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me" (John 5:39).
If a man does not believe the Holy Bible, then logically, he cannot believe the Lord Jesus Christ! The King James Bible is the Holy Scriptures, verbally inerrant in English as an irrefutable matter of fact
jjpetkusiii 1 year ago 10
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@jjpetkusiii wow a KJV only determined that? Funny he failed to proved to the educated world. You are grasping at straws now.
So tell me if the deuterocanonical books are not scripture then why are they the only books that contain the history of Hanukkah (1&2 Maccabees) they are found in the oldest bible in the world (news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4739369.stm) and are found in the dead sea scrolls?
There is nothing "Holy" about the KJV. King James was a King and thought to be Gay.
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
@jumbaljoe
Earlier authoritative Bibles in English like Tyndale's or the Geneva were translated from a pure line of manuscripts, but the AV1611 was the culmination of such translations and has remained the final authority for the English-speaking peoples since its publication.
The accuracy of the King James Bible in English is unrivalled because the AV1611 is the perfect translation of the Holy Scriptures into our common language during its Golden Age.
jjpetkusiii 1 year ago 10
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@jjpetkusiii Final Authority? Umm no. Just the most distributed. Still no more Holier than comic book.
The Douay Rheims is the most accurate and come directly from the Latin Vulgate which came from the complete sacred manuscripts at the Vatican. NO ONE HAS ALL THE COMPLETE SACRED MANUSCRIPTS BUT THE VATICAN.
So now we are back to square 1. King James or any Protestant sect didnt have the documents. There were not copies just floating around and Luther stole a Catholic Bible.
You have nothing
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
@jumbaljoe
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever" (Psalm 12:6-7).
The Tanakh as attested by Jacob ben Hayyim and the best recension of the TR as attested by Scrivener, along with earlier Bibles in English and many authoritative Old and New Testament texts in other languages, refute every bit of your trivial nonsense.
boggymark1 1 year ago 10
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@boggymark1 Oh Please. Dont spout scripture to me and ignore the scriptural facts. King James was not Holy....duh. You are following man, not God with all the names you through.
Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
You are talking in circles as all KJV only people do. You worship the KJV just like (KJV) Luke 14:10 were you can have worship like God violating the 10 commandments! KJV ERROR!!
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
@jumbaljoe
Papist infidels like you have been pushing various jesuitical lines of baloney about the Reformation Era translations of the Holy Bible since the days of Inigo de Loyola. The historical fact of God truthfully keeping and preserving the Scriptures, His own inspired words, which is the promise that the Scriptures repeatedly record, can hardly be invalidated by your cavilling dispute or captious criticism, however.
No linguistic of historical error in the AV1611 has ever been proven.
boggymark1 1 year ago 12
As a matter of historical fact, the King James Bible is the Holy Scriptures, verbally inerrant in its flawless translation of the Old Testament and the New Testament into exemplary English. The inerrant truth of the AV1611 has been demonstrated by the reality that no one has ever proven an error anywhere in its Biblical text since its publication.
boggymark1 1 year ago 11
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@boggymark1 The KJV is junk.
bible.ca/b-kjv-only.htm
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
@jumbaljoe
You fail exegesis, by the way, along with logic and reading comprehension in English, but your infidel's line of baloney posing as a case against the King James Bible is nothing new. (For example, Anthony Flew had been an atheist in the past but learned better over time; he, however, is neither a solipsist nor an intellectual ostrich--or moral degenerate--out to make a show of his folly). In fact, no one including you has ever proven a linguistic or historical error in the AV1611.
jjpetkusiii 1 year ago 11
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@jjpetkusiii Are serious? You are now going to say because and ATHEIST likes the KJV it is a good bible?
Are you insane?
Luke 14:10 in the KJV states man can be worshiped..... this is a huge error and goes completely against the 1st commandment.
Keep following a man's book, I will follow God and those he entrusted with his word, the Catholic Church!
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
@jumbaljoe
As darkness follows sunset and awakens the creatures of the night, infidels--particularly inveterate atheists--are rather bizarre aliens to the realm of truth and light.
The myths of Romanist idolators, however, will not disprove the existence of the Son of God, Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."
Is there anything about the Lord Jesus Christ that you still need to know?
boggymark1 1 year ago 11
@jumbaljoe
Your remarks make about as much sense as a convoluted tome by Cornelius Van Til. His writings and your posts both repeatedly marginalize the Scriptures and misconstrue all manner of sound Biblical doctrines.
Evidently, your "Bible" is a figment of your popish preference and has been published nowhere at any time.
For the English-speaking peoples, however, the King James Bible has preserved the Holy Scriptures perfectly since 1611 as a matter of historical fact.
jjpetkusiii 1 year ago 10
@jumbaljoe What about my question? How does the 'Church' explain how I was once an 'infidel' but now a brother. Which council was infallible: Trent or Vatican II?
catholicexodus 1 year ago 3
@jumbaljoe You just called the Bible a 'man's book'! Unspeakable!
catholicexodus 1 year ago