@smallen642 P.S. Eisenhower was honestly worried about Russia doing the same thing and gaining more power. There were still Troskeyists that wanted to spread it around the whole globe.
@smallen642 Non-violence? Don't give me that Good Samaritan crap dude. Now you're being totally ridiculous. Listen giving tax breaks to corporate and taking that money away from schools is violence. Taxing people is not violence. Hell we're not even taxed hardly here next to European countries. You should try losing your job to outsourcing in order lower wages across the board. That's violence and coercion.
@smallen642 Iron Law of Wages? People will always be dependent even if you can't demonize the politicians that are trying to help them. The lenders would much rather have everyone debt financed because they aren't subisidized by the government at all. I mean that's nuts. Also coercion is not limited to 'Big Government.' Trust me deregulating credit to allow for debt slavery is a bit making people dependent. Hell the Republicans invented Debt Finance.
@smallen642 This is hilarious. Come on man. You are killing me with talking about class from a libertarian perspective. You're almost merging a marxist perspective with a sloganeering Reaganite mentality smallen. Like what the hell is this: "The corporatists and politicians ultimately benefits from such programs the exploited classes pay for via force & coercion. For politicians they trap dependents, who can be relied upon for votes."?
This is part of capitalism bro. Have you ever heard of the
@smallen642 "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." - President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
@HoGraz What do you think they've been trying to do away with? Like we talked about earlier. Reagan tried to abolish Social Security and now they've been sunsetting it. He put us into debt and so did Bush Junior. Now, to me that looks like the same tactic they use in other countries under the IMF which is the engine of Neoliberalism. They throw everyone into debt and then privatize everything. Usually this results in the people in that country being poorer and poorer while the top percentage
@HoGraz Grows in wealth. This is good if you believe in Supply Side Economics, but it's really short sighted. These people are constantly trying to crash the system and the rest of the country so they can just own everything. We tried to get away from this sort of thing when we got out of feudalism and eventually when we started the United States of America.
@smallen642 We have two statist parties? I hate how the right wing always takes our arguments and twists them into their own. Come on dude. Here, let me give you a quote by the late President Eisenhower.
@smallen642 P.S. Neoliberalism is much worse. That's all he's trying to back. They'd rather have people working in total poverty 'til they drop. They want to do away with the welfare state in order to do this too.
@smallen642 Productive classes? Are you saying people who work labor jobs don't produce while people who play with money all day do? I know full and well about "Corporatism" which is a misused word by the way. We have two right wing parties in America that's why that's that. Doing away with social services and government so we have enough money crammed into stocks is another way of it too. We're never going to get the money back from the wars or our country. Try to think long term.
What a bunch of BULL. I love how everyone thumbs up this big business attack on citizens. Everyone knows the wars are the root of the problem. We could have gotten out of them, but we chose to put everyone back to work til they're 75 and rob them.
I have found that - even from my friends - when someone accuses Fox News of fear mongering, it is never accompanied with facts which would support a civil discussion on a topic.
That's been going on some time now, but the fleeing will continue to increase relative to increasing taxation and regulation. The taxation on our citizens will finish off the market places. Can't sell anything to people who don't have a cent to spend. Which of course is what many on the think they want. No consumers = green. They'll sit on their computers with internet in teir parent's houses full of consumer items and tell you this all day. Be careful what you wish for..
So the US government went into the FICA funds and used it for wars and shit?
MaddDogg81 5 months ago
I better have my Canada Pension Plan when I'm 65
MaddDogg81 5 months ago
@smallen642 P.S. Eisenhower was honestly worried about Russia doing the same thing and gaining more power. There were still Troskeyists that wanted to spread it around the whole globe.
HoGraz 8 months ago
@smallen642 Non-violence? Don't give me that Good Samaritan crap dude. Now you're being totally ridiculous. Listen giving tax breaks to corporate and taking that money away from schools is violence. Taxing people is not violence. Hell we're not even taxed hardly here next to European countries. You should try losing your job to outsourcing in order lower wages across the board. That's violence and coercion.
HoGraz 8 months ago
@smallen642 Iron Law of Wages? People will always be dependent even if you can't demonize the politicians that are trying to help them. The lenders would much rather have everyone debt financed because they aren't subisidized by the government at all. I mean that's nuts. Also coercion is not limited to 'Big Government.' Trust me deregulating credit to allow for debt slavery is a bit making people dependent. Hell the Republicans invented Debt Finance.
HoGraz 8 months ago
@smallen642 This is hilarious. Come on man. You are killing me with talking about class from a libertarian perspective. You're almost merging a marxist perspective with a sloganeering Reaganite mentality smallen. Like what the hell is this: "The corporatists and politicians ultimately benefits from such programs the exploited classes pay for via force & coercion. For politicians they trap dependents, who can be relied upon for votes."?
This is part of capitalism bro. Have you ever heard of the
HoGraz 8 months ago
@smallen642 "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." - President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
HoGraz 8 months ago
@HoGraz What do you think they've been trying to do away with? Like we talked about earlier. Reagan tried to abolish Social Security and now they've been sunsetting it. He put us into debt and so did Bush Junior. Now, to me that looks like the same tactic they use in other countries under the IMF which is the engine of Neoliberalism. They throw everyone into debt and then privatize everything. Usually this results in the people in that country being poorer and poorer while the top percentage
HoGraz 8 months ago
@HoGraz Grows in wealth. This is good if you believe in Supply Side Economics, but it's really short sighted. These people are constantly trying to crash the system and the rest of the country so they can just own everything. We tried to get away from this sort of thing when we got out of feudalism and eventually when we started the United States of America.
HoGraz 8 months ago
@smallen642 We have two statist parties? I hate how the right wing always takes our arguments and twists them into their own. Come on dude. Here, let me give you a quote by the late President Eisenhower.
HoGraz 8 months ago
@smallen642 P.S. Neoliberalism is much worse. That's all he's trying to back. They'd rather have people working in total poverty 'til they drop. They want to do away with the welfare state in order to do this too.
HoGraz 8 months ago
@HoGraz Nice using big words though.
HoGraz 8 months ago
@smallen642 Productive classes? Are you saying people who work labor jobs don't produce while people who play with money all day do? I know full and well about "Corporatism" which is a misused word by the way. We have two right wing parties in America that's why that's that. Doing away with social services and government so we have enough money crammed into stocks is another way of it too. We're never going to get the money back from the wars or our country. Try to think long term.
HoGraz 8 months ago
What a bunch of BULL. I love how everyone thumbs up this big business attack on citizens. Everyone knows the wars are the root of the problem. We could have gotten out of them, but we chose to put everyone back to work til they're 75 and rob them.
HoGraz 10 months ago
Entitlement Reform has to be part of Deficit Reduction because of the huge unfunded liability's in both programs.
FRSFreeStatePlus 1 year ago
I have found that - even from my friends - when someone accuses Fox News of fear mongering, it is never accompanied with facts which would support a civil discussion on a topic.
dawgGoodie 1 year ago
Oh Faux News when will you stop the fear mongering?
Richardisdorky 1 year ago
,,, with that high taxes, people with capital will flee and businesses will be started and run elsewhere.
bjarnet3 1 year ago
That's been going on some time now, but the fleeing will continue to increase relative to increasing taxation and regulation. The taxation on our citizens will finish off the market places. Can't sell anything to people who don't have a cent to spend. Which of course is what many on the think they want. No consumers = green. They'll sit on their computers with internet in teir parent's houses full of consumer items and tell you this all day. Be careful what you wish for..
RatkoUSA 1 year ago
yup, highway robbery, they've fucked us. im 25, look what people my age will have deal with...
slade420 1 year ago 2
I'm 17. How do you think I feel now knowing this awaits me?
narutofan1108 1 year ago 2
You are 17? How did you avoid being convinced by your high school teachers that social security is a great thing?
yang2enator 1 year ago 2
@yang2enator Internet saved me.
narutofan1108 1 year ago
The internet can do that. Expect it to be heavily taxed soon.
RatkoUSA 1 year ago
Then there would be hell to pay
narutofan1108 1 year ago
lmao
f007scott 1 year ago