Calorie Density with Jeff Novick

[zinturis]

Dear Jeff, why you talk about obesity and mention calories or oils? I am slim the entire my life. When I ate animal prods along with all flour bakeries and sweets I weighted a bit more than I do now on a vegan diet but was never even overweight. According to you, I'd need more calories to gain mass? Ok, I eat a lot of oils, and nuts and seeds now. It doesn;t change my mass at all as longs as I don't eat junk food. So there is a collapse of your theory. How much oil is too much? who knows?

[ccd101]

@zinturis

"Ok, I eat a lot of oils, and nuts and seeds now. It doesn;t change my mass at all as longs as I don't eat junk food."

That's it, exactly! Novick sounds like a PR hack of the junkfood industry.

[newgtguy]

@ccd101 I don't think you watched the video. He discusses how junk food also has a high calorie density. Jeff Novick only pushes a starch-based diet high in whole grains, legumes, fruits and vegetables.

[ccd101]

@newgtguy

One of Novick's points was that ice cream is basically more healthy than olive oil. That's pro junk food quackery.

As for calories: The key is that olive oil is very satiable (i.e. it prevents you from eating too much) and just a little add-on to low-calorie dishes like salad; whereas junk food (incl. ice cream) makes you rather more hungry (craving for nutrients!) although it is calorie-dense, and junk food is the main dish i.e. consumed in high quantity.

[Mekelsior]

@ccd101 One tbl spoon of olive oil is 120 calories, 4 tomatoes is 140 calories, I believe you get more satiety from the 4 tomatoes than the singl espoon of olive oil, it is also far more nutritious. =)

[Mekelsior]

@ccd101 Jeff does not promote the junkfood industry at all. The fact is that the numbers doesn`t lie. Free fats are fattening on most people that overconsume them, if you want to loose weight you cut out the oils and other types of free fats and dairy products. Many doesn`t like this however and argue vehemently against anyone that is promoting the healthy vegan starch based diet as Jeff Novick and John McDougall. =)

[ccd101]

@Mekelsior

"if you want to loose weight you cut out the oils and other types of free fats and dairy products."

By cutting out fats, you also cut out the fat-soluble vitamins in them (and various healthy nutrients, in the case of olive oil), so that's a bad idea. Also, I don't understand your obsession with calories. As a vegetarian who avoids junk food and enjoys sports, I never have to worry about weight (BMI=19) and never count calories. You can't get too much of omega-9 & omega-3 fats!

[Mekelsior]

@ccd101 Olive oil have only trace amounts of vitamin E, and you gain more vitamins by just increasing the number of fruits or vegetables on your plate. If you really want to have olive oil have it as an olive and not the oil. =) Im not obsessed with calories in fact this is the only diet that i have found were you dont count calories at all and you still loose weight. =) Most people get to much omega 6, and the ratio in olive oil is about 11 to 1 if I remember correctly of o 6 to o 3.

[Mekelsior]

@zinturis The theory doesn`t collapse even though some people manage to stay slim, some people manage to stay slim on a pure junk food diet, depends on how much they eat and their metabolism.. some even manage to smoke every day since birth and die of old age and not get lung cancer, so then are we to assume that smoking is healthy or neutral when it comes to health?

[reddupo]

Right, Novic -- because Dinosaurs were alive in "Neanderthal times".

[newgtguy]

@reddupo Perhaps learning how to recognize a joke is in order.

[ccd101]

Novick's crusade against the health(!) food Olive Oil is absurd and misleading, as usual. The volume of olive oil consumed is so small that its calorie density is harmless. Also, Novick ignores the important difference between omega-9 (olive oil) and omega-6 (which really makes you fat, and is eaten in much higher volumes!) or even trans-fats (worse than omega-6). That's why Americans (low olive oil consumption, but high omega6+transfats) are much fatter than Mediterranean people.

[ssjcel1]

@ccd101

Check his video on Olive Oil controversy.

[ccd101]

@ssjcel1

Which video do you mean? (He did many on olive oil.)

From what I've seen, Novick presents disinformation that, if followed, will make people less healthy, not more. (Painting healthy food as unhealthy, and vice-versa, omitting crucial aspects while emphasizing unimportant/misleading aspects.) Also, his style is that of a charlatan.

[Mekelsior]

@ccd101 If you compare olive oil with white sugar then you will see that the difference is not really that great.. Olive oil have a little bit of vitamin E in it, but the main issue is so does the unprocessed olive. Why not consume the wholefood instead of binging on the processed food?

[ccd101]

@Mekelsior

"Why not consume the wholefood instead of binging on the processed food?"

Nobody suggested _binging_ on olive oil. Of course you can also eat olives, but in the oil, you get more nutrients per serving, and the oil can be stored without getting rancid (which it tends to get when olives are strored as such).

[Mekelsior]

@ccd101 It may only be a matter of speech when I said binging he he, I think adding a bunch of empty calories on my salad or on my potatoes is binging, others may not feel it that way, Im just talking about what I think for myself. =)

[ccd101]

@Mekelsior

"adding a bunch of empty calories on my salad"

No, olive oil is not empty calories at all, it is rich in very healthy nutrients. For a well-referenced overview on these and their health benefits, read: tiny url. com /oliveoil1 (from a non-profit health foundation).

I must say that a dietician who ignores this and puts olive oil on par with white sugar, is either totally incompetent or has a bad agenda.

[Mekelsior]

@ccd101 I just checked the nutritional value of olive oil, it has pr tablespoon (119) calorie.. of vitamins 1.9 mg of vitamin E pr tablespoon, 8,1 mcgr of vitamin K, that is the only vitamins that it contains... As for minerals, 0,1 mg of Calicum, Iron and potassium. It also has 0.3 mg of sodium.. hardly nutrient dense.. on the other hand it has 29,8 mg of phytosterols, 103 mg O3 and 1318 mg of O6 and 1.9 saturated fat. Eat half a orange and you get far more nutrition. =)

[ccd101]

@Mekelsior

"vitamin E pr tablespoon, 8,1 mcgr of vitamin K, that is the only vitamins that it contains..."

This is the blinkers-wearing view of nutrition that Novick advocates. *sigh*

Obviously, you didn't bother to read the link I provided. There, you would have seen that the nutrients in olive oil that matter are monounsaturated fats & powerful antioxidants, incl. chlorophyll, carotenoids & the polyphenolic compounds tyrosol, hydrotyrosol, oleuropein & protocatechuic acid. Also, ... [cont'd]

[ccd101]

... Also, olive oil is rich in inhibitors of platelet activating factor (PAF). Hence, the CARDIO2000 case-control study found that using olive oil instead of unhealthy oils can reduce the likelihood of coronary heart disease by as much as 47%! You can't achieve that with "half an orange", much less with white sugar (with which Novick compared olive oil)! So, time to take off the blinkers & look at the nutrients that matter for cardiovascular health. That's what professional dieticians should do.

[Mekelsior]

@ccd101 Where can I find more information regarding this.. and you did not answer my question, what is it in olive oil that I cant get from the olive itself? Why is the oil superior than the olive from which it comes from?

[ccd101]

@Mekelsior

"Where can I find more information regarding this.."

At the link I mentioned earlier: tiny url. com /oliveoil1

"and you did not answer my question,"

I did.

"what is it in olive oil that I cant get from the olive itself? Why is the oil superior than the olive from which it comes from?"

As I said, the oil has a higher nutrient density (more nutrients per serving -- can't eat so many olives), and in the olives it tends to get rancid.

But to cure ADD, take omega-3, not omega-9...

[82Bdog]

@ccd101 overall too much fat in the diet is a culprit for heart disease and adding olive oil contributes to that. There is very little nutrients in olive oil. This guy know his shit and if you listened to his whole message and take off your blinkers you would change your stance.

[ccd101]

@82Bdog

"overall too much fat in the diet is a culprit for heart disease and adding olive oil contributes to that."

On the contrary, olive oil prevents cardiovascular diseases. Read my link below.

"This guy know his shit"

For a nutritionist, he knows very little. Worse, given his IQ, he seems do disinfom deliberately.

"take off your blinkers"

Do that. I don't wear blinkers.

[82Bdog]

@ccd101 No it doesn't and yes he knows alot and you obviously don't have much common sense if you can't listen to what he says about it and see he is stating nothing but facts. And the blinkers comment was referring to what you said in your earlier comment. Olive oil has little nutrients and is just refined fat. There's nothing magical about it. I once thought like you, you just need to dig a lil deeper in your research.

[ccd101]

@82Bdog

"No it doesn't"

Where is your evidence?

"he is stating nothing but facts."

His emphasis that olive oil has a high calorie density, is a classical half-truth: irrelevant (due to low amounts consumed) and omits the relevant nutrients and their health benefits.

Suggesting that ice cream is healthier than olive oil, is worse than a half-truth -- it's blatant disinformation.

And his presentation style speaks volumes -- childish laughter like a clown, not serious like a lecturer.

[82Bdog]

@ccd101 Olive oil doesn't help prevent heart disease. Your link doesn't state that it just says it's better than other oils. No one has had the success on reversing heart disease that dr.esselstyn has had and he had his patients consume no oils and found one that added olive oil had problems until he removed it. Still the truth is it is low in nutrients and very high in fat and not necessary for health...

[ccd101]

@82Bdog

Sure my link does state that olive oil improves cardiovascular health, with its anti-oxidant, anti-inflammatory and bloodpressure-lowering effects. Esselstyn peddles the cholesterol scare nonsense and advocates an unhealthy diet. Cholesterol levels are just a symptom -- not from eating cholesterol, it is mostly made by the body. By eating fat-free, you miss out on the fat-soluble vitamins and very important fats for the body (e.g. brain & nerves consist of a lot of fat eg DHA).

[ccd101]

@82Bdog

Esselstyn's anti-fat fanatism is a classic case of throwing out the baby (good fats) with the bathwater (bad fats). Some fats are essential to health.

[82Bdog]

@ccd101 Yeah I guess with all his incredible results with heart disease patients he just doesn't get it like you huh buddy?LOL Yes some fats are essential to health,but you get enough of those as long as you eat enough cals from whole foods. Try it on chronometer and you will see. You definitely don't need olive oil to get those and if you use it should be in very small amounts.

[newgtguy]

@ccd101 All oil is 4000 calories per pound. Calories make you fat if eaten in excess.

[newgtguy]

@ccd101 Olive Oil consumption has doubled since 1990. Calorie density has shot up as well. It's no coincidence that obesity is increasing at a staggering pace... That's the point.

[spenseravery]

Great ! Info !

[InvisiMan2006]

Looks great.

[euromixer120]

Wonderful video. Highly recommend it. Brilliant man and funny... great presenter!!!

[AmericanCritiquer]

Haven't heard from you in a while, way to go coming back with an important lesson. This Jeff Novick has a great personality for teaching and presenting information.

[MYENDLESSPATH]

Hi Head.

Nice Post.

all lifes very best all the time.