David Bohm Quantum theory versus Copenhagen Interpretation.mov

[Esoparagon]

Tehe! He said exactly what I said to someone! "You think you don't understand it because you're not clever enough. You don't understand it because it's not understandable."

[zieben64]

Has anyone here taken QM? it's all hippy dippy!

[MrTrda]

@zieben64 Agreed!!! It anti-rational, wishful-thinking, non-sense based on not on science but speculation. As Huw Price points out in Times Arrow , "as I have always seen, the physicists adopted Copenhagenism by rejecting philosophical precision in their speech. They all made the cheating jump from "measurement impacts the particle" to "our awareness changes the particle". "

[MrTrda]

@MrTrda The real motivation for interpreting QM is to provide a safe haven for egoic metaphysical freedom and power, of a type that are not supported within a deterministic system.

[zieben64]

@MrTrda Yeah, it's horrible. first day a few things my professer says.

1. you must take this on faith

2. units actually DON'T matter

3. Reality is dependent of your mind(stated implicitly)

I really do have some really smart guys in my class, but they take all this stuff in like it's nothing.

[Esoparagon]

@zieben64 Absolutely. First time I heard Schroedinger's cat I was wide eyed thinking, 'how could they be saying this?' Smart people don't want to let anyone else know that they don't think it makes sense because others will just say they aren't smart enough to get it. But there's nothing to get, it's just messed up.

[marce11o]

I just want to be clear on something - the gentleman in this video would reject the idea that the double-slit experiment leads us to the theory that reality is a projection of the mind, right? I'm looking for credible opposition to the assertions that reality is as said theory.

[zieben64]

@marce11o yeah , me too. tell me if you find it. haha

[robertochahin]

Quantum physics always comes to weird conclusions because most physist start with weird philosophical premises. They tend to be Kantian and Postkantian. They have a preconceive notion and try to interpret the wave function to fit their premises. That's why they most likely abandoned the idea of causality because their Kantian background dismises it.

[PlayerDuce]

guys! guys guys! guys.... It's not just about adaptation. It's also about... diversity. When you say adaptation, I think of intentional change in behaviour. But with bacteria they survive through diversity in their gene pool, that is why we have bacteria that can become immune to antibiotics.

I think that is kind of important to Professor Hiley's point. With DarWINism, people focus on reduction (removing the perceived unfit) and not diversity (having options).

[PlayerDuce]

Humans change from generation to generation much the same way that the electron changes positions. The position is a state much the same way that the genes are a state and states change through process. At least that is what I take from this video.

[Inrxz]

what a very captivating speaker.

[SteffanLlwyd]

I L O V E physicists because they have such great methodological imagination. Sociologits are similar in the sesnse that we have to deal with a lot of weirdness in the social World, around which we share massive paradigmatic disagreements. I like what this guy is trying to do. However sociologists are too shy of attempting a similar degree of reconciliation. preferring to throw bricks at each other, by which activity they establish their salaried professorial positions.

[dmperri]

Professor Hiley, have you spoken with Rupert Sheldrake?

[qcon81]

@dmperri David Bohm had. Infact you can find a dialogue among him,Sheldrake and Jiddu Krishamurti in you tube.

[qcon81]

@dmperri Type in this -  Krishnamurti - Fragmentation & Wholeness. 2nd Dialogue

[qcon81]

@qcon81 Sorry pls disregard the link I posted. That was the wrong one. Sheldrake is not in that one. But you can search more and see if you can find one.

[human2011able]

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[ORTprod]

survival of the fittest refers to the replicator, yes? it is not referring to a specific species or even a strand of DNA but rather whatever has won the process of replicating as opposed to not replicating as I understand it. Perhaps this is wrong?

[cirocar]

@ORTprod Just being able to replicate your species does not mean you are the fittest and that you will survive in the long run. You also have to be able to adapt.

[ORTprod]

@cirocar adaptation would also be on the list of things required to replicate though. It would see, that is does not matter if one species adapts if the adaptation does not survive over time. Correct?

[cirocar]

@ORTprod This is of course in the definition of adaptation. A one time adaptation is not adaptation, really. At least not in the sense that it can be counted as a species' characteristic. I don't really see how adaptation is one of the things required for replication, though. You can have a bacteria replicate all you want but when you expose it to higher temperatures it dies. Even though it was very successful at replicating itself, it wasn't at adapting.

[ORTprod]

@cirocar I see. Well said.

[cirocar]

@ORTprod Thanks. I watched your video for upper body progress(random statement, I know). I think you've got some good techniques there, using your body as a weight. Something I respect very much when training(opposed to training only with weights). Can I ask you some questions about it? I'll send a private message.

[ORTprod]

@cirocar sure, PM me or shoot me a message on my video. I got most of my stuff from Coach Sommer, Ido Portal and Steve Atlas.

[rekouche]

HAHAHA! "You think you don't understand it (wave/particle duality) because you're not clever enough.  You don't understand it because it's not understandable." There it is.

[BurningPinguin]

To do good for yourself is to do good for your connection with you environment.

In the End you are nothing more for society than your connection with it.

Do good for you connection to your Environment and you will do good for yourself.

In fact this is what Buddha, Jesus, Spinoza, Mohammed, Simon Kimbangu, Mozes and many others where saying all along! To bad people have put this into rigid rulebooks and conventions.

The true Enlightenment still awaits us!!!

[angelsssssssssssss]

Copenhagen Interpretation is so confusing. It states that observation collapses the quantum wavefunction and forces it to become either this or that, which becomes reality. But if atoms don't exist in a particular place untill they are observed, then what about macro objects that are made up of atoms? If atoms don't exist untill they are observed is the case, then is reality an illusion. Talk about paradoxes.

[Lawrencium2222]

The Law of Attraction is the mechanism/structure by which creatures adapt and subsequently survive in their respective environments. Very much a quantum dynamic involved in the evolution of species. See Handbook for the New Paradigm for more information.

It was authored by non-human's for the express purpose of informing us of our plight to which nearly all the human race is ignorant of, and of course, how to overcome it. MUST READ

[Agui007]

It's a shame, when everything goes too much beyond what our own scientific instruments can measure then it becomes almost impossible to know what lies into the higher energy states. Maybe this is where we can use our higher consciousness as a tool to help find that out!

[FloydManFloyd]

did 'this film' ever happen where can i get it? i'm new to all this so i'm very fascinated and enthusiastic!

[mindbringer]

Thanks for this. I am still exploring this very issue plus the additional wrench in the gears of David Deutsch.

[godhelpme2009]

Thank you Basil.

Thank you Taher. It is sincerely encouraging to see this video & to know that people are trying to make Bohm's work known more widely .

[quidproquo2004]

@godhelpme2009 I'm reading "Wholeness and the Implicate Order" now. It's very interesting, though dense reading.

[godhelpme2009]

@quidproquo2004 ~I read that a long time ago.Maybe 10 yrs ago. I was reading a lot of Krishnamurti before Bohm & so at first he did seem like too much. "Dense" relative to K's writing. But i began to appreciate his thorough & precise style.I can't remember if I read all of W. & T.I.O. . But I do know that at least one thing I read in there, maybe it was in chapter 2, changed my life profoundly & forever. It helped that I found a friend who was a Bohm expert, when it came to his work that was

[godhelpme2009]

@godhelpme2009~ (cont.) written for lay people.She also started a Bohm Dialogue group that met once a week for 3 1/2 yrs. So she & I had an intense little lab experiment going to help us try to explore his theories. We continue to participate in a once a month Dialogue group for the 13 yrs since the weekly group ended. Co-incidentally, I am going to start reading "Wholeness & the Implicate Order" again after all these yrs, b/c a Bohm reading group has formed & we are starting with that book.

[3timesoneminusone]

i wish this video would have been made using a tripod or other stable surface. otherwise, i think it's great to have a video like this on youtube. i can't believe there are not more videos with hiley!

[abyssquick]

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