See the two Secret Service men in the front seat. Watch how quickly, and almost comically, they jerk back and forth. That is because a significant portion of the film is missing in all Zapruder films. Which is to say, one can not see all that transpired at the critical moments.
When you realize eyewitness accounts support that the driver shot kennedy then you sweep away all the lies and distortions of the disinformation agents that post on youtube. See the two woman one in red (Jean Hill) and one in dark (Mary Moorman) at 0:42-0:43? They're the clincher. How the congressmen from the Warren Commission reacted to there testimony is even more revealing...
Kenny O'Donnell and Dave Powers in the car directly behind the Presidential limo have been quoted as saying shots were coming from both the back and the front.O'Donnell wanted to testify to shots coming from the front but was persuaded by the FBI not to. Later on in his shortened life was chastised by Tip O'Neil for not telling the truth.The mechanics chose a perfect place to assassinate the President.Shots from the back echoed off the structures of the Grassy knoll and vice versa.
An exploding bullet/dumdum from the front won't go out the back. It'll simply disintegrate, making a huge hole in front. (Just what happened.)
The reason his head goes down 2" is because his head pivoted around his neck, making it seem like it's going forward, whereas a fraction of a second later it flew backward with great force. A hole in front in this case doesn't mean a rear shot. Can't argue with physics. Some will.
And no-one else got flung b/ward by limo acceleration, such as it was.
3rd law of motion, "If a force acts upon a body, then an EQUAL and OPPOSITE reaction force must act upon the body that exerts the force."
Initially the head moves slightly forward with impact of the bullet (conservation of momentum), then the bullet forces a large mass forward which causes a REACTION of the Presidents head backward.
The same way jet thrust works. Try throwing a football when standing on a skateboard. The board moves in the opposite direction of the throw.
@asprun... Ok. But if you hit someone's forehead with a baseball bat, that head's going backwards, regardless of neurospasms etc. Similarly, if someone shoots you in the face with a shotgun, your head will not go forwards. The 'reaction' you speak of would be the recoil of the rifle. JFKs head may well have gone forward at the moment before impact, but a shot from the rear a fraction of a second before the fatal head shot may be a reason. Remember...we all have our theories and opinions.
@moyadapne Yes, rifle kick would be an example of 3rd law. But throwing a mass forward when standing on a board is a better model for this case. The"baseball bat" example does not apply because that a large mass hitting a smaller one.
You say a bullet DID hit from behind then. So where did it go? If there was a hit from the front where is the exit wound ? even with an exploding bullet.
This a crime sense so we are trying to establish facts not theories and opinions.
@asprun We are in agreeance there. Stone did admit he made some stuff up.. ie Kevin Bacon's character.
A/one who uses the movie as a yardstick is deluded. Good clear Z film though.
I've read Rush to Judgement, & the WC doesn't do it for me.
A valid conclusion is subjective. Being able to spell is nothing to do with disputing the physics. Physics shows 'back and to the left' doesn't necessarily mean a rear shot. I say LHO innocent. You think o/wise, and there we part, so 'bye... please.
ahem ... the bullet from behind skipped through JFK's skull, exited 2 inches above his right eye and then hit the inside of the Limo's windshield.
The glass was cracked, chrome trim was dented and 2 pcs of the bullet (the antimony of which precisely matched the chemistry in LHO's minus 4-bullet ammo box) were recovered on the floor under Kellerman.
The 1st strike-bullet (also from behind) that passed through both men (CE-399) was rifled by Oswald's Carcano and no other.
Know that ! I am responding to the rear shot, front shot theory. moyadapne expressed the idea of shots coming from both directions, my question was hypothetical, if the first jerk forward was the result from a shot from behind and the large wound from a front shot (in his theory), "Where did it (the first shot ) go then ?" (for his theory to work)
Apologies, sir ... I only read back a page or two.
It does seem peculiar to me that, given the overwhelming body of factual evidence that has become available, a few people still insist on harping at all those long-disproved 'theories' about this case.
@10Feanor Witnesses who saw the widnshield saw a hole you could put a pencil through with a shot from the front! The first bullet came from the front and hit Kennedy only, according to Connally himself. He can't be hit until just before the fatal shot to Kennedy because he continues to hold his stetson hat in his right hand, the one with the shattered wrist.
Okay. JFK's head CLEARLY jerked backwards, indication of a shot to the front or side, and then fell forward due to the weight of his head. I've watched a clearer video at least 15 times and I've made that analysis.
so if the shot came from the front, how come the wound at the back of the head was bigger than the wound in his forehead? When you can explain that, then i'll believe that the kill shot came from behind.
JFK is hit in the back & the bullet exits his throat. His arms come up protectively & he leans slightly forward & left. Jackie figures out something's wrong & leans over to him. His head turns even further left. The head-shot occurs & in 2-D it looks like he falls away. But in reality it's more of a thrust to the left - made possible by the explosive exit of the bullet skipping thru his skull.
Look at the Bronson, Muchmore, & Nix films, in addition to the Mary Moorman Polaroid.
to add to my comment you have to take in acount wind speed car movment and vibrations also jakie was moving as well as she was trying to help her husband plus her instant movement wen the final shot came she would have jerked with fright, and made jfk move differnt than if he was alone. jakie could have easly been hit by the bullet witch makes me think it was a well trained marksman and to answer why brain matter went over the back of the car its because wind would have been moveing towards them
@leo83628 Oswald was a well trained marksman, obtained sharpshooter status in the marines capable of firing rapidly at a target over 200 yards away...just watched a documentary lol
i can see the entrance wound coming from a left angle behind him exiting the right side infront of his ear not behind his ear like the autopsy said clearly there are flaws in the report but i have to add the shot that was supposed to hit him in the back came from the front and hit him in the upper chest/ throuat exiting his back because there would have been a bigger exit wound to the front of his body and clearly far more blood was on his back then front (shirt pics i saw) in my opinion
You must surely be getting some kind of reward for your participation in the cover-up. I hope it was worth your soul. You will spend the rest of eternity reliving the day you made that deal. Your soul for some money. Sounds fair you said. Lie for us and we will make you comfortable. Might even throw in a spot in our underground bases. Too bad all their plans are falling apart now. Justice will come for you soon.
This video do not tell about an important FACT: See video : The Big Lie- JFK back head" & JFK Autopsy Photo Forgery" All doctors from Parland Hospital confirmed that
there was a huge cave, hollow hole below the cerebello, as shown on JFK Medical Sculpture Wounds".
Just because he jerks backwards when he is hit doesn't mean the shot came from his front. When a body is hit by a bullet in the spine, neck, or head this causes it to tense up or have spasms. Being blow away in the direction of a bullet when you are shot is all Hollywood action movie stuff.
Buddy, you need to go back and take a grade-school physics class. Your analysis is absurd.
That forward movement to which you’re referring at :59 in your video is a tiny one. Way too small to be caused by a bullet....especially considering the fact that his head and torso make a huge, sudden jerk backward after his head explodes.
If that tiny forward movement is caused by a rear-entering bullet, how do you explain the large backward movement?
3rd law of motion, "If a force acts upon a body, then an EQUAL and OPPOSITE force must act upon the body that exerts the force."
Initially the head moves slightly forward with impact of the bullet (conservation of momentum), then the bullet forces a large mass forward which causes a REACTION of the Presidents head backward.
The same way jet thrust works. Try throwing a football when standing on a skateboard. The board moves in the opposite direction of the throw.
@DrSandmann Actually the autopsy photos show a bullet hole in his back (not his neck as the Warren commission reported). The forward jerk is obviously caused by the bullet in his back, the backward jerk of his head is from the bullet from the front right.
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On one of the videos if you pause frame 314 (I think) you can clearly see a piece of his skull flying up and forward. Not sure what that concludes but its interesting
His head jerks back and to the left. This video is like, 6-7 frames a second tops and the video is basically in fast forward because of the technology available at the time. You can't analyze two frames accurately when the two frames are at least half a second apart.
@BrennFilmcom I don't see why that would have to be so. There is quite a lot of time between frames compared to what we're used to seeing in videos. between frames he could have move his head slightly forward and then get shot, all of which happened between frames and could easily happen in 1/18th of a second.
The frame-rate for the Bell+Howell 8mm camera Zapruder used was 18/fps. A little less than 5 frames per-second.
While that rate is much slower than the more-usual 30fps of later times it's still fast enough to show JFK's head jerk forward as the bullet strikes the back of his head - just before the reactive twirl to the left.
@10Feanor - Yeah I heard about the frame rate afterward, but the frame that captures JFK's head 'exploding', I still think, is after the actual impact, especially considering the 'explosions' of JFK's head had blown outward significantly when the frame was captured. Even if this weren't true, I don't think this justifies there being only one shooter. I can't explain the physics or the expected movements of a persons head after being shot, especially when it could be nerve reaction.
JFK had just been shot through the back, with the bullet exiting his throat. Prior to 313 he was leaning forward & left. His head was slightly down & also turned a bit left. The shot entered the right-rear of his skull & skipped through the upper-right of his brain, exiting about an inch above the eyebrow. This explosive passage created a pressure-wave that caused the skull to erupt (as shown), & drive his body violently left.
There were no nerves involved. Death was instantaneous.
@10Feanor - It doesn't matter if death was instintanious. Nerves can influince movement after ones death. The bullet is not responsible for movement. When people are shot in the head the bullet gos through cleanly. There is not nearly enough force to push his head backwards. Like shooting through paper. A hole appears, and the paper does not move in the direction you would expect force to move it. When somebody who is standing is shot in the head, they just drop. Their head does not move...
Please read the entire comment - not just the last line. Someone with a large body of knowledge on this subject is trying to inform you of some basic facts - not rumor or 'Something I Saw On The Internet'.
Do you know the muzzle-velocity of an Italian 1946-model Carcano?
It's around 2,100 fps. Strike-speed was estimated at 1,700 fps. That little 2-oz copper-jacketed bullet was not only cooking right along, but it packed 1 helluva punch.
@10Feanor - I didn't just read the last line. If anything I would just read the first and then comment but that isn't the case either. I may sound convicted but I'm always willing to admit I'm wrong. If that particular bullet "packs a punch", then I'm sure I could be wrong.
Considering your amount of knowledge on the subject, what do you suppose may have happened? Do you think there was only one shooter? And do you believe it was the shooter who the Government placed blame?
A 23 year old loser bought a $12.00 mail-order rifle under an assumed name. He coincidentally worked in a warehouse that was along the Presidential route.
Wishing to make some really obscure 'statement', he smuggled his rifle up to the 6th floor & as the Limo passed, popped off 3 shots - 2 of which hit their target.
Incidentally, it wasn't The Government that placed blame. The Dallas PD gathered an enormous body of incriminating evidence in just the first 6 hours of investigation.
"atrackting" is not a word, i assumed for a short while that you meant "attracting" so i gave you the benefit of the doubt. i instead decided that you are dumb.
Are you talking abt the driver who did 2 impossible head-turns to the back and then caused the front 4 passengers to LURCH FORWARD even though he didn't brake? Don't look at the driver, look at what's going on in the car....
I agree! You can see Jackies arm move around the back of JFK. She leans into him has she takes the fatal shot. There was a small entry wound to the left temple causing a massive exit blast wound to the top right hand side of his head. Look again!
Damn you're right. And the driver is the alien they did the autopsy on. Actually... it was no autopsy, but a plastic surgery, to make him look like the driver.
@sbrenn, Her suspicious activity in the lead up to the fatal shot is actually a massive smoking gun not many people have caught on to. Watch the JFK Zapruder Film Closeup video on youtube. Jacqueline NEVER comforts her husband. Why does she just stare at Gov. Connally all the time?. As he got hit with the initial shot, she doesn't even blink an eye lid. Hugh Betzner: "I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the president's car". BACK & TO THE LEFT.
@sbrenn, She blew his head off. The temple wound explosion is actually the exit wound, a bullet fired from the left side of his head, (refer to the amount and distribution of blood on JFK's shirt evidence). Refer back to the JFK Zapruder Film Closeup. At 0:22 in that video you can actually see her throwing the weapon down onto the back seat at 0:22. Watch her right hand closely (0:22). JFK Zapruder Film Closeup.
@Sick3ninVend3tta You dumbass. Grow up. It was Jackie who fired the shot BUT get your facts straight. She fired because she knew the man sitting next to her wasn't JFK but a disguised Communist impostor. Everyone knows JFK died in 1959.
If anyone would go to On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald, Part 10, witness Cecil Kirk and go to appx. 6:30, you will see a fascinating high contrast photo of the head shot which shows the particulate matter and blood spray going forward!
Nice job, though I don't agree with all your points. I believe you have the right to your opinion, and name calling by others here shows how juvenile people can be when they are posting anonymously. See my videos for another take on things.
Don't be silly...the shot in his adam's apple and the head shot....were from the front. 2 entry wholes were viewed in Parkland Hospital. The back part of his head was blown out
I still think that there were two and quite possibly three hitmen scattered around Dealey Plaza that day. Oswald did fire a bullet, but it was not the fourth and fatal one that killed JFK. It was the "Badgeman" behind the fence up on the grassy knoll that fired it.
And the notion that the driver, William Greer, shooting JFk while driving the limousine is preposterous. If this were true, John and Nellie Connolly who were sitting in the second row of seats, would have seen Greer with a gun.
Many of the witnesses including almost all the Secret Service agents said the last two shots were fired almost on top of one another. It is my belief that Kennedy was struck TWICE in the head at almost the same instant,from behind then from in front. I believe that the first shot hit Kennedy in the back,exited thru his throat and went through the front windshield and struck the curb down the street. Next shot hit Connally,and then boom boom two headshots.
Why else would Kennedy's head move a foot backwards other than that a bullet came from the opposite direction? I think his head moving towards the back of the car is far more evident that a bullet came from the grassy knoll than maybe a 2 in jerk forward from a bullet that came from the building.
The difference is, that the 2 inch jerk is AT impact (don't tell me you don't see the impact). The foot backwards is up for debate, Could be a spasm, for instance. Or plain physics of mass... Ask three people, and all three will tell you something else. What is NOT up for debate is the 2 inch jerk. THAT shot came from behind.
@sbrenn the only 2 inch jerk is you with your dick in your hand. Shots came from different directions. According to the SS agent Kellerman, he said JFK had been shot 4 times, and Connolly 3 times. He said in his testimony there had to be more than 3 shots. Plus, Former conspirator pres. Ford admitted moving the JFK back wound up several inches to fit the Oswald lies.
@sbrenn The reason that his head jerked a couple of inches was because of the shot to his back about the same time and the weight of his body absorbed most of the impact (and the shot came from further away) whereas his head did not absorb as much impact since it was less massive. There were at least 4 shots fired. One hit his throat first, the second and third were about the same time, one to the back and one to the head, one hit governor and the fourth hit JFK's head.
My goodness, what a lot of bullets there were flying around that day, huh?
So sorry sir - your statistics are a bit skewed. The 1st hit-shot occurred behind the Stemmons Freeway sign. It passed thru JFK back-to-front, exited his throat & struck JBC under the armpit.
The 2nd hit was 3.5 secs later & struck JFK in the lower right rear of his skull & exited ~2 ins above the rt eyebrow - then hit the windshield.
3 shots. 2 hits.
There's alot more evidence available than just the Z-Film.
@10Feanor Are you going by what you've read or by what you know? I know JFK was hit before JBC was even hit because I can see for myself, looking at the footage one frame at a time. I am not going by second hand information as you apparently are. JFK is clutching his neck while JBC is still apparently clueless except that he heard a shot. AND he later stated, on video, that he saw JFK "slumped" in the back seat BEFORE JBC got hit! He later CHANGED his story!
I too have seen the Z-Film frame-by-frame. You will see in #223 thru #228 that both men react simultaneously to a single event.
While JFK is unseen at the shot, we see JBC's jacket lapel puff out as the bullet passes thru, his mouth open in a cry of pain, & his right shoulder drop as the air is evacuated from his lung.
When JFK emerges we see his fists rise, but unable to cry out as his larynx has been destroyed.
Both men were hit at the same time by the same bullet.
@10Feanor BS, I went frame by frame and I saw the look of pain on his face several frames AFTER JFK is already clutching his throat. That and the testimony of BJC trumps your BS claim.
@10Feanor "There's alot more evidence available than just the Z-Film." Yeah, like JBC's video taped testimony. He stated that he saw JFK "slumped" in the backseat before he was ever hit and then he later changed his story. Quite convenient I would say! Any intelligent person would know that he was either in on it or was pressured to change his story!
Well, tell me when JBC saw JFK slumped? He was facing forward until he fell to the left, pulled down by his wife. We see this happen. This is when he saw JFK slumped. But he'd already been hit.
re: Your last comment i.e. "BS"
Seriously sir - look again at the frame-by-frame. Look at JBC's coat, his mouth & his shoulder. We can already see JFK's hand & shirt-cuff, & it's moving up.
Post your e-mail on my U-Toob page and I will prove it.
@sbrenn Sorry, i got the order wrong. The first was to his throat, the second hit the governor and the third and fourth hit about the same time. One to the back and one to the head.
Your obviously under Educated. Your little video is fucking retarded and pointless. Look up the House Committee On Assassination 1978. Or the Joseph Milteer, William Sommersett recording. Or the declassified C.I.A. documents admitting Oswald worked for the C.I.A. as a Russian informant. Or the most well known fact that the Zapruder film your analyzing is missing 16 frames. Maybe do a video on the proven altered autopsy photos.
Why did Abe choose to film the grass, placing the protagonist so low as to be almost out of frame just before the pyrotechnics? What is Jonny doing as he emerges from behind the sign - doesn't really have his hands to his neck, more covering his face. What's Jackie up to? Is that really a piece of his head that flies off? "Who shot Kennedy" might be a simple piece of misdirection. It has, after all, been asked repeatedly by Big Media and by Hollywood.
this film is fake, the lady with the red dress on the grass behind limo , said she jumped into the road when the president passed, yet she is shown motionless on the grass in this video
@optionsupdate The woman in the red coat is Jean Hill, who also said in one of her testimonies that she saw a little dog in the limo between JFK and Jackie. Then she stated that after the shots were fired she raced across the street towards the grassy knoll and was almost hit by a police motorcycle. From this film and others you can see that none of this is the case, so the lady was hardly a reliable witness.
@alex6847 perhaps she was reliable and the zapruder film has been altered, witnesses said the limo came to a stop before the deadly shot, yet zapruder the limo only seems to slow down, Zapruder is fake, imho
@optionsupdate So by your logic, every single other film from that day is faked as well, as none of them show the car stopping either. Those other films also show the somewhat reserved crowd as seen here. Are they all fake just because they differ from a few muddled witness testimonies?
@alex6847 Yes, the Z film is a proven fraud. it is missing people, or has too many people when compared to other films. And it does not conform to dozens of eyewitnesses.
If film A does not match film B, you cannot conclude both films are altered. But one of them certainly is.
@blungo99 You are full of bull crap. what do you think of Gay Edgar Hoover (FBI director in 1963)? Is he a hero to you? Do you cross-dress and suck dick like your hero?
Hoover was controlled by the CIA that took pictures of his cross-dressing (1 on youtube) and sucking dick. Hoover said the mafia did not exist. Why would he say that? Hoover fed lies to the Warren Commission criminals. They rendered their decisions accordingly.
And Zapruder belonged to a CIA front organization in Dallas.
@jacobji5 So Zapruder belonged to a CIA front organization? Got proof?, Nope.can I have the bong now. wake up DICK, and If you want me to suck your cock, it will cost you,.. I'm real good. Some day soon you will know I speak duh troof. till then enjoy watching jfk for the 52,381 time, ya ass.
@jacobji5 If the "proving" was done by someone from the "conspiracy cult crowd" then it's bogus for sure. Nothing of serious merit can be attributed to the wacko notions and fabricators of evidence then someone from the "CCC".
@alex6847 But they DO show rapid deceleration, whereas in the identical timeframe, Z's film shows none, and even shows acceleration, based on the stabilization of the background and known distance markers.
It's a goddamned shame that NO evidence is really reliable by some universal litmus test. We're left with mockeries of best evidence, most of which was altered or destroyed.
@alex6847 in zapruder film notice how still the people behind the limo are as it passes, they dont wave take pictures they dont do anything, as though they are still waiting for the limo even though it is passing in front of them
If I was riding a motorcycle and closely following a car ANYWHERE and I heard a shot fired, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't twist around to look behind me! Though I'm sure being safe rider wasn't in the forefront of their thoughts, subconsciously they know better.
Good video. The motor officers are looking at zapruder who clearly stands out because he is elevated and holding something in his hands. Oswald was a patsy like he said. The shooter (There was only one) was in the building next to the SBD. 100 yard shot at best. The driver almost stopped the car, so this was not a difficult shot. The shooter missed his first 2 shots maybe on purpose, or he did not know how to lead his shots. Makes you wonder. A poodle shooter could have made the shot.
And as far as coming from behind...that's bogus. His head was already tilted down and forward...and from where he got hit on the head, of course his head would go forward a bit more.
Good point about the gel. It is difficult to be objective as so many of us have grown up with all of this. As I see it, the head moves forward first and then back and to the left. The officers do look at the knoll for sure, and these two facts togther suggest, but only suggest, being hit twice first from the back and then the front almost simultaneously. On this point Bob Harris's analysis is the most persuasive.
Try hearing where a shot came from in an urban environment. IT'S FUCKING HARD. Relying on the ears of bystanders is hardly a full proof case. The forenic postmortem pretty much of destroys any argument based on initial reacions by shit scared people. And wouldn't the bullet pass RIGHT NEXT to the filmer that made this? That didn't happen according to him. Why is it so hard for people to belive the truth and not have to make up such rediculous consipracies based on speculation and weak evidence?
@Rafterman123 Ya know,i'm sure SOMEBODY out there has put that theory forward! I used to be a conspiracy nut,but after reading numerous books with all of their contradictions and seeing how modern technology is making the lone gunman theory more valid I can only come to the conclusion it was Oswald who fired all the shots. It's also amusing to see how ANGRY conspiracy theorists get when I say that!
@Chrisdrumz lol no I think Oswald was the only gunman too, I was responding sarcastically to a previous comment. All of the points conspiracy theorists make seem to support their claim - if you are the average joe with a mullet. But if approached with an unbiased mind and with actual knowledge about firearms (and intelligence) they are not only easily explained away, but are far more likely to be the result of just Oswald.
JFK brings his hands up to his chest, before the fatal head shot, he was in some difficulty then, that's why he dos'nt do anything, as he is reacting to that. Then the next shot, is the fatal head shot. All happened way too fast, for any type of protective behaviour, to oneself.
There are other films that do not support the Zapruder film. The Z film has many anomalies that prove it is an altered film. One example is, there are people added and other people removed from the Z film, that do or do not show on other films.
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It has also been proven that a high ranking member of the CIA purchased the Z film, under the disguise of LIFE magazine.
The Z film is one of the CIA's best con jobs on the public.
@grettoz The proof is that you never check anything out. The proof is you believe any lies put out by the govt.
You are such an idiot, you believe a Life magazine can walk and eat shit, just like you do. But I am smart. I know Life magazine is just a fictitious business entity; not a real person. The real person who owned Life magazine in 1963 is WHO purchased the Z film. Henry R Luce. In the OSS (CIA) since WWII and until death.
Magazine don't buy films, humans do. Do you get that, dickwad?
i have been researching this for over 30 yrs, i dont need a brainless shithead like you to come up with the same old theory which was disproved 20 yrs ago... you havent got a clue or any other remarks that would possibly interest anybody, i suggest you do actually research the subject or shut the fuck up..
@grettoz The only thing you researched for the past 30 years is how to wipe your asshole clean. You have repeatedly been told to use toilet paper, not double over and use your tongue. But you just don't get it.
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The WC Lies Report has already been discredited.
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Now we understand the real reason it is illegal to look out that 6th floor window is people will notice the shot fictitious shot paths.
Oswald never shot anyone from that 6th floor, nor did anyone else. Just another govt. creation.
least my asshole isnt in my head ya brainwashed twat, the warren commision has been discredited by subnormal twats like you & your conspiracy mates, but it has never been disproved, oswald shot jfk from above & behind, alone & unaided, open your eyes & ears & learn your history, twat
You love it when any govt bullshit artist will stick his dick into your ear and shoot a wad into it.
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Your hero, and your gay bed buddy J Edgar Hoover, was part of it. People are beginning to view and read the truth that this boy-molesting pervert was just another criminal with a badge.
The 6th floor window sniper nest was created by govt operatives. It is illegal to look out that window and see the fictitious shot paths. Particularly, the 1st one.
@grettoz: If you actually care about trying to convey your message to someone, and don't want to have them close their ears/eyes at it, you'll probably have better luck if you stop with the name calling.
@grettoz: For starters you're wasting space with your inane and childish comments, and even if you're not going to listen, I feel like I should at least attempt to help you realize how to get further in life.
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Since Larry Silverstein said pull it, demolished WTC 7 and collected billions in insurance, why would the insurance company pay the claim if there's evidence of fraud?
If WTC 1 & 2 were destroyed by demolition & not fire, how do you explain video of the exterior columns buckling under heat and stress loads 18 minutes after impact?
How can Marvin Bush be in charge of WTC security when he stopped working for Securecom in June of 2000?
@10Faenor: If you actually care about trying to convey your message to someone, and don't want to have them close their ears/eyes at it, you'll probably have better luck if you stop with the name calling.
"Over the postwar years, we have granted to the elite and secret police within our system vast new powers over the lives and liberties of the people. At the request of the trusted and respected heads of those forces, and their appeal to the necessities of national security, we have exempted those grants of power from due accounting and strict surveillance."
--- House Majority Leader Hale Boggs, in a speech before Congress, 22 April 1971
"Hoover lied his eyes out to the Commission – on Oswald, on Ruby, on their friends, the bullets, the gun, you name it".
--- Hale Boggs (D), House Majority Leader (1962 – 71), Member of the Warren Commission, speaking to an aide, quoted by Bernard Fensterwald, in Coincidence or Conspiracy
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On October 16, 1972, Boggs disappeared in a plane over a remote section of Alaska. The plane was never found. It was later reported that he had startling revelations to make about the JFK assassination.
they will never accept the lone gunman theory!! its just easier for them to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon i guess.. i guess to them man never landed on the moon either??
When Oswald shoots JFK in the neck and Connally in the side (from behind) both secret service guys turn around because of the commotion. If you've ever had to yell @ your kids in the backseat the motion of turning around pulls your foot off the accellerator some (hence the slowing of the vehicle). He didn't slow down on purpose. They turn around just in time to see the headshot. Fuck where the motorcycle cops were looking AND which shots came first.
With regard to the whole 'Back-&-To-The-Left' thing ... Please think in 3-D.
When looking at other stills and films you'll see that JFK was leaning slightly left and forward, having already been shot through the back > throat. When the bullet skipped through his upper-right skull, the force of impact and exit drove him in the opposite direction. It was more like a twirl, stopped by Jackie.
People who use only the Z-Film to make assumptions are leaving out a huge amount of other evidence.
@10Feanor, I know there are only 7 so called "wonders of the world" but JFK's assassination should be on the list at #1 for media brainwashing. It's almost beyond belief how many STUPID people there are. This is the only event in history caught on video, where anybody with 2 functioning eyeballs can see as plain as day the actual MOMENT the bullet strikes him in the FRONT of his head, but turn around and say (with RANCOR) that he was shot in the BACK of his head
shot from behind yes 100%, the brain matter was compressed when he was hit from behind, this forced the head forward as can be seen for a second, it then recoilrd backwards as the brain matter exited the side front
This pisses me off , you are a cunt
heywerethatdragongo 1 month ago
See the two Secret Service men in the front seat. Watch how quickly, and almost comically, they jerk back and forth. That is because a significant portion of the film is missing in all Zapruder films. Which is to say, one can not see all that transpired at the critical moments.
shortist2003 1 month ago
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When you realize eyewitness accounts support that the driver shot kennedy then you sweep away all the lies and distortions of the disinformation agents that post on youtube. See the two woman one in red (Jean Hill) and one in dark (Mary Moorman) at 0:42-0:43? They're the clincher. How the congressmen from the Warren Commission reacted to there testimony is even more revealing...
pathofnogoing 2 months ago
I agree that the fatal shot came from Oswald in the Book Depository but there is no credible evidence of a shot from anywhere else
abennett4 3 months ago
Not a bad video, but the drumming made it so annoying that I almost didn't finish watching it.
gretna147 4 months ago
Kenny O'Donnell and Dave Powers in the car directly behind the Presidential limo have been quoted as saying shots were coming from both the back and the front.O'Donnell wanted to testify to shots coming from the front but was persuaded by the FBI not to. Later on in his shortened life was chastised by Tip O'Neil for not telling the truth.The mechanics chose a perfect place to assassinate the President.Shots from the back echoed off the structures of the Grassy knoll and vice versa.
TheBillpucci 4 months ago
TOTAL BULL FROM A BULL SHITTER
cruisersism 5 months ago
An exploding bullet/dumdum from the front won't go out the back. It'll simply disintegrate, making a huge hole in front. (Just what happened.)
The reason his head goes down 2" is because his head pivoted around his neck, making it seem like it's going forward, whereas a fraction of a second later it flew backward with great force. A hole in front in this case doesn't mean a rear shot. Can't argue with physics. Some will.
And no-one else got flung b/ward by limo acceleration, such as it was.
moyadapne 5 months ago
@moyadapne
3rd law of motion, "If a force acts upon a body, then an EQUAL and OPPOSITE reaction force must act upon the body that exerts the force."
Initially the head moves slightly forward with impact of the bullet (conservation of momentum), then the bullet forces a large mass forward which causes a REACTION of the Presidents head backward.
The same way jet thrust works. Try throwing a football when standing on a skateboard. The board moves in the opposite direction of the throw.
asprun 5 months ago
@asprun... Ok. But if you hit someone's forehead with a baseball bat, that head's going backwards, regardless of neurospasms etc. Similarly, if someone shoots you in the face with a shotgun, your head will not go forwards. The 'reaction' you speak of would be the recoil of the rifle. JFKs head may well have gone forward at the moment before impact, but a shot from the rear a fraction of a second before the fatal head shot may be a reason. Remember...we all have our theories and opinions.
moyadapne 5 months ago
@moyadapne Yes, rifle kick would be an example of 3rd law. But throwing a mass forward when standing on a board is a better model for this case. The"baseball bat" example does not apply because that a large mass hitting a smaller one.
You say a bullet DID hit from behind then. So where did it go? If there was a hit from the front where is the exit wound ? even with an exploding bullet.
This a crime sense so we are trying to establish facts not theories and opinions.
asprun 5 months ago
@asprun Facts. Coughs. (You may mean crime 'scene'.) OK, there are 3 known FACTS.
1/. Two men were shot. 2/ One man was wounded, and Tague may have been. 3/ Ruby shot LHO. The end.
Everything else is conjecture/theory/opinion. For every one person who 'knows' LHO did it and why, there's another who 'knows' he didn't and why.
I've spent over 40 years of my life on this, and I'm admitting I know nothing if I can't speculate.
Call it oversimplifying. But dems da facts.
moyadapne 5 months ago
@moyadapne
You can spell but not disputing the physics. The Warren report is right on the mark.
Stone is picking people’s pockets by saying this movie is at all true.
A good website to see; jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/concl1.htm.
Sure one can speculate, but then draw valid conclusions.
asprun 5 months ago
@asprun We are in agreeance there. Stone did admit he made some stuff up.. ie Kevin Bacon's character.
A/one who uses the movie as a yardstick is deluded. Good clear Z film though.
I've read Rush to Judgement, & the WC doesn't do it for me.
A valid conclusion is subjective. Being able to spell is nothing to do with disputing the physics. Physics shows 'back and to the left' doesn't necessarily mean a rear shot. I say LHO innocent. You think o/wise, and there we part, so 'bye... please.
moyadapne 5 months ago
@asprun
ahem ... the bullet from behind skipped through JFK's skull, exited 2 inches above his right eye and then hit the inside of the Limo's windshield.
The glass was cracked, chrome trim was dented and 2 pcs of the bullet (the antimony of which precisely matched the chemistry in LHO's minus 4-bullet ammo box) were recovered on the floor under Kellerman.
The 1st strike-bullet (also from behind) that passed through both men (CE-399) was rifled by Oswald's Carcano and no other.
10Feanor 4 months ago
@10Feanor
Know that ! I am responding to the rear shot, front shot theory. moyadapne expressed the idea of shots coming from both directions, my question was hypothetical, if the first jerk forward was the result from a shot from behind and the large wound from a front shot (in his theory), "Where did it (the first shot ) go then ?" (for his theory to work)
asprun 4 months ago
@asprun
Apologies, sir ... I only read back a page or two.
It does seem peculiar to me that, given the overwhelming body of factual evidence that has become available, a few people still insist on harping at all those long-disproved 'theories' about this case.
Anyway, Cheers, friend.
Feanor
10Feanor 4 months ago
@10Feanor Witnesses who saw the widnshield saw a hole you could put a pencil through with a shot from the front! The first bullet came from the front and hit Kennedy only, according to Connally himself. He can't be hit until just before the fatal shot to Kennedy because he continues to hold his stetson hat in his right hand, the one with the shattered wrist.
tregoj1 1 week ago
Okay. JFK's head CLEARLY jerked backwards, indication of a shot to the front or side, and then fell forward due to the weight of his head. I've watched a clearer video at least 15 times and I've made that analysis.
ShortstuffxXx13 5 months ago
so if the shot came from the front, how come the wound at the back of the head was bigger than the wound in his forehead? When you can explain that, then i'll believe that the kill shot came from behind.
ihernandez112 6 months ago
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thesoberpothead 7 months ago
Exit wounds from a bullet are always larger than entry wounds.
It's called compressive forces people.
If you notice as well, the limo driver speeds up after the second, fatal, shot. This attributes to intertial forces, causing the blowback of his neck.
Lashazior 7 months ago
JFK is hit in the back & the bullet exits his throat. His arms come up protectively & he leans slightly forward & left. Jackie figures out something's wrong & leans over to him. His head turns even further left. The head-shot occurs & in 2-D it looks like he falls away. But in reality it's more of a thrust to the left - made possible by the explosive exit of the bullet skipping thru his skull.
Look at the Bronson, Muchmore, & Nix films, in addition to the Mary Moorman Polaroid.
10Feanor 7 months ago
to add to my comment you have to take in acount wind speed car movment and vibrations also jakie was moving as well as she was trying to help her husband plus her instant movement wen the final shot came she would have jerked with fright, and made jfk move differnt than if he was alone. jakie could have easly been hit by the bullet witch makes me think it was a well trained marksman and to answer why brain matter went over the back of the car its because wind would have been moveing towards them
leo83628 8 months ago
@leo83628 Oswald was a well trained marksman, obtained sharpshooter status in the marines capable of firing rapidly at a target over 200 yards away...just watched a documentary lol
commanderpopinfresh 7 months ago
i can see the entrance wound coming from a left angle behind him exiting the right side infront of his ear not behind his ear like the autopsy said clearly there are flaws in the report but i have to add the shot that was supposed to hit him in the back came from the front and hit him in the upper chest/ throuat exiting his back because there would have been a bigger exit wound to the front of his body and clearly far more blood was on his back then front (shirt pics i saw) in my opinion
leo83628 8 months ago
the driver is holding a gun
Rafiu 8 months ago
If the shot came from behind then why didn't the bullet hit Jackie, whos head was directly in front of JFK's head, when the fatal round was fired?
biiiyb0y2000 8 months ago
actually the bullet didnt hit him from behind cuz you can see it flying in the air coming in the direction in front of him
AmyandRickyForever 8 months ago
Wow!!!
bowlesmovement08 9 months ago
lol i posted a video response to this back in '07 my youtube account was called (ztciifol3y) proving this wrong.
CaLLMeImaGinE 9 months ago
You must surely be getting some kind of reward for your participation in the cover-up. I hope it was worth your soul. You will spend the rest of eternity reliving the day you made that deal. Your soul for some money. Sounds fair you said. Lie for us and we will make you comfortable. Might even throw in a spot in our underground bases. Too bad all their plans are falling apart now. Justice will come for you soon.
Daddyo930 9 months ago
This video do not tell about an important FACT: See video : The Big Lie- JFK back head" & JFK Autopsy Photo Forgery" All doctors from Parland Hospital confirmed that
there was a huge cave, hollow hole below the cerebello, as shown on JFK Medical Sculpture Wounds".
Verdelufe 9 months ago
Just because he jerks backwards when he is hit doesn't mean the shot came from his front. When a body is hit by a bullet in the spine, neck, or head this causes it to tense up or have spasms. Being blow away in the direction of a bullet when you are shot is all Hollywood action movie stuff.
dilchdog 10 months ago
Buddy, you need to go back and take a grade-school physics class. Your analysis is absurd.
That forward movement to which you’re referring at :59 in your video is a tiny one. Way too small to be caused by a bullet....especially considering the fact that his head and torso make a huge, sudden jerk backward after his head explodes.
If that tiny forward movement is caused by a rear-entering bullet, how do you explain the large backward movement?
I’d love to hear your explanation for that.
DrSandmann 11 months ago 2
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asprun 10 months ago
@DrSandmann
3rd law of motion, "If a force acts upon a body, then an EQUAL and OPPOSITE force must act upon the body that exerts the force."
Initially the head moves slightly forward with impact of the bullet (conservation of momentum), then the bullet forces a large mass forward which causes a REACTION of the Presidents head backward.
The same way jet thrust works. Try throwing a football when standing on a skateboard. The board moves in the opposite direction of the throw.
asprun 10 months ago
@DrSandmann Actually the autopsy photos show a bullet hole in his back (not his neck as the Warren commission reported). The forward jerk is obviously caused by the bullet in his back, the backward jerk of his head is from the bullet from the front right.
Challagar 7 months ago
No necessarily, as the film does not capture the moment of impact, but atleast 1/18th of a second after impact.
yfna1 11 months ago
looney tunes.................watch the stablised version and you ll see that it disney productions again...............
SuperBandstand 11 months ago
Hi 10feanor. I remember seeing you at the Perverts Valentine Festival in San Francisco last year. Will you be attending again? It was memorable watching you and your man Freddy make love. The way he shoved a dildo up your asshole and listening to you squeal was exciting to the rest of us attending the event. You had a nice satisfied look on your face. Will you be there this year with Freddy?
oIdmac1 11 months ago
Driver kills JFK
Oloimpresive 11 months ago
On one of the videos if you pause frame 314 (I think) you can clearly see a piece of his skull flying up and forward. Not sure what that concludes but its interesting
timbov1 11 months ago
if he was shot from behind, why did his brain go flying backwards onto the trunk of the car? riddle me that one
DuchessArcher 11 months ago
His head jerks back and to the left. This video is like, 6-7 frames a second tops and the video is basically in fast forward because of the technology available at the time. You can't analyze two frames accurately when the two frames are at least half a second apart.
ViperXXXXXXX 1 year ago
@ViperXXXXXXX
If that is so.. the moment his head goes back and to the left is even later than the impact which is clearly visible.
BrennFilmcom 1 year ago
@BrennFilmcom I don't see why that would have to be so. There is quite a lot of time between frames compared to what we're used to seeing in videos. between frames he could have move his head slightly forward and then get shot, all of which happened between frames and could easily happen in 1/18th of a second.
ViperXXXXXXX 1 year ago
@ViperXXXXXXX
The frame-rate for the Bell+Howell 8mm camera Zapruder used was 18/fps. A little less than 5 frames per-second.
While that rate is much slower than the more-usual 30fps of later times it's still fast enough to show JFK's head jerk forward as the bullet strikes the back of his head - just before the reactive twirl to the left.
See frames 312 thru 318.
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor - Yeah I heard about the frame rate afterward, but the frame that captures JFK's head 'exploding', I still think, is after the actual impact, especially considering the 'explosions' of JFK's head had blown outward significantly when the frame was captured. Even if this weren't true, I don't think this justifies there being only one shooter. I can't explain the physics or the expected movements of a persons head after being shot, especially when it could be nerve reaction.
ViperXXXXXXX 11 months ago
@ViperXXXXXXX
JFK had just been shot through the back, with the bullet exiting his throat. Prior to 313 he was leaning forward & left. His head was slightly down & also turned a bit left. The shot entered the right-rear of his skull & skipped through the upper-right of his brain, exiting about an inch above the eyebrow. This explosive passage created a pressure-wave that caused the skull to erupt (as shown), & drive his body violently left.
There were no nerves involved. Death was instantaneous.
10Feanor 11 months ago
@10Feanor - It doesn't matter if death was instintanious. Nerves can influince movement after ones death. The bullet is not responsible for movement. When people are shot in the head the bullet gos through cleanly. There is not nearly enough force to push his head backwards. Like shooting through paper. A hole appears, and the paper does not move in the direction you would expect force to move it. When somebody who is standing is shot in the head, they just drop. Their head does not move...
ViperXXXXXXX 11 months ago
@ViperXXXXXXX
Please read the entire comment - not just the last line. Someone with a large body of knowledge on this subject is trying to inform you of some basic facts - not rumor or 'Something I Saw On The Internet'.
Do you know the muzzle-velocity of an Italian 1946-model Carcano?
It's around 2,100 fps. Strike-speed was estimated at 1,700 fps. That little 2-oz copper-jacketed bullet was not only cooking right along, but it packed 1 helluva punch.
Review the previous post re: body position.
10Feanor 11 months ago
@10Feanor - I didn't just read the last line. If anything I would just read the first and then comment but that isn't the case either. I may sound convicted but I'm always willing to admit I'm wrong. If that particular bullet "packs a punch", then I'm sure I could be wrong.
Considering your amount of knowledge on the subject, what do you suppose may have happened? Do you think there was only one shooter? And do you believe it was the shooter who the Government placed blame?
ViperXXXXXXX 11 months ago
@ViperXXXXXXX
A 23 year old loser bought a $12.00 mail-order rifle under an assumed name. He coincidentally worked in a warehouse that was along the Presidential route.
Wishing to make some really obscure 'statement', he smuggled his rifle up to the 6th floor & as the Limo passed, popped off 3 shots - 2 of which hit their target.
Incidentally, it wasn't The Government that placed blame. The Dallas PD gathered an enormous body of incriminating evidence in just the first 6 hours of investigation.
10Feanor 11 months ago
@10Feanor - Sorry I confused you for someone who was an expert on the situation.
ViperXXXXXXX 11 months ago
"atrackting" is not a word, i assumed for a short while that you meant "attracting" so i gave you the benefit of the doubt. i instead decided that you are dumb.
chilidog314 1 year ago
@chilidog314
Wow... now try that in fluent Dutch and we'll talk again.
BrennFilmcom 1 year ago
How do you explain the gun in the driver's hand. If you're looking for a murderer, don't look at the victim.
asleepMS2 1 year ago
@asleepMS2
Are you talking abt the driver who did 2 impossible head-turns to the back and then caused the front 4 passengers to LURCH FORWARD even though he didn't brake? Don't look at the driver, look at what's going on in the car....
paraconti 1 year ago
@sbrenn. Whatever mate just to cap it off check out the gun smoke that comes from within the car and tell me if my eyes are deceiving me!
macdaddy957 1 year ago
Whatever mate. Just to cap it off check out the gun smoke within the car and tell me if my eyes deceive me.
macdaddy957 1 year ago
I advice those people who think Jackie did it to keep wearing your tin foil hats
sbrenn 1 year ago
I agree! You can see Jackies arm move around the back of JFK. She leans into him has she takes the fatal shot. There was a small entry wound to the left temple causing a massive exit blast wound to the top right hand side of his head. Look again!
macdaddy957 1 year ago
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Sick3ninVend3tta 1 year ago
@Sick3ninVend3tta
Damn you're right. And the driver is the alien they did the autopsy on. Actually... it was no autopsy, but a plastic surgery, to make him look like the driver.
sbrenn 1 year ago
@sbrenn, Her suspicious activity in the lead up to the fatal shot is actually a massive smoking gun not many people have caught on to. Watch the JFK Zapruder Film Closeup video on youtube. Jacqueline NEVER comforts her husband. Why does she just stare at Gov. Connally all the time?. As he got hit with the initial shot, she doesn't even blink an eye lid. Hugh Betzner: "I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the president's car". BACK & TO THE LEFT.
Sick3ninVend3tta 1 year ago
@sbrenn, She blew his head off. The temple wound explosion is actually the exit wound, a bullet fired from the left side of his head, (refer to the amount and distribution of blood on JFK's shirt evidence). Refer back to the JFK Zapruder Film Closeup. At 0:22 in that video you can actually see her throwing the weapon down onto the back seat at 0:22. Watch her right hand closely (0:22). JFK Zapruder Film Closeup.
Sick3ninVend3tta 1 year ago
@Sick3ninVend3tta You dumbass. Grow up. It was Jackie who fired the shot BUT get your facts straight. She fired because she knew the man sitting next to her wasn't JFK but a disguised Communist impostor. Everyone knows JFK died in 1959.
paraconti 1 year ago
If anyone would go to On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald, Part 10, witness Cecil Kirk and go to appx. 6:30, you will see a fascinating high contrast photo of the head shot which shows the particulate matter and blood spray going forward!
chasxyz1234 1 year ago
Nice job, though I don't agree with all your points. I believe you have the right to your opinion, and name calling by others here shows how juvenile people can be when they are posting anonymously. See my videos for another take on things.
cyberwing777 1 year ago
Are you sure???
Bobster986 1 year ago
You now what's a funny thought, what if it was Zapruder who really shot him. He obviously had a good angle of the president; why not him?
Bobster986 1 year ago
@Bobster986
LOL Then who shot the footage? A gun in a camera... fine, but a camera that works AND shooting without seeing it in that camera?
Nehh.. give that one up :-)
BrennFilmcom 1 year ago
TYhe police officer killed that day was the shooter.
waltersully 1 year ago
VERY INTERESTING........THE TWO COPS LOOKED TOWARDS THE GRASSY KNOLL.!!! hmmm
johnlennon1970 1 year ago
I've been a spotter for Deer Hunters many times.
A spotter just waits for a hunter's shot and with binoculars, tracks in which direction the Deer runs off to.
I can't count how many times I saw a Deer get shot in the head...from front or back...and saw the head jerk in the opposite direction of the shot.
One of the hunters told me that the exiting bullet can cause an explosion on the exit from the head and it will jerk back.
Don't get me wrong...I still don't think there was only one shooter.
DannyBruiz 1 year ago
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DannyBruiz 1 year ago
Don't be silly...the shot in his adam's apple and the head shot....were from the front. 2 entry wholes were viewed in Parkland Hospital. The back part of his head was blown out
Redbaron9495 1 year ago
@Redbaron9495
also, the autopsy photos don't mathc up to the injuries on the film
IRealBored 1 year ago
I still think that there were two and quite possibly three hitmen scattered around Dealey Plaza that day. Oswald did fire a bullet, but it was not the fourth and fatal one that killed JFK. It was the "Badgeman" behind the fence up on the grassy knoll that fired it.
And the notion that the driver, William Greer, shooting JFk while driving the limousine is preposterous. If this were true, John and Nellie Connolly who were sitting in the second row of seats, would have seen Greer with a gun.
SnickleFritz79 1 year ago
MISLEADING TOTAL BULLSHIT LIES AND WITTLESS NONSENSE. YOURE FIRED
MrHarry46 1 year ago 6
@MrHarry46
LOL
sbrenn 1 year ago
i am pretty sure that they are looking at kennedy not the knoll.
airsoftking12111 1 year ago
Many of the witnesses including almost all the Secret Service agents said the last two shots were fired almost on top of one another. It is my belief that Kennedy was struck TWICE in the head at almost the same instant,from behind then from in front. I believe that the first shot hit Kennedy in the back,exited thru his throat and went through the front windshield and struck the curb down the street. Next shot hit Connally,and then boom boom two headshots.
ynp1978 1 year ago
@ynp1978
I would be very interested in knowing what you base this hypothesis on.
10Feanor 1 year ago
Why else would Kennedy's head move a foot backwards other than that a bullet came from the opposite direction? I think his head moving towards the back of the car is far more evident that a bullet came from the grassy knoll than maybe a 2 in jerk forward from a bullet that came from the building.
hellhole243 1 year ago 3
@hellhole243
The difference is, that the 2 inch jerk is AT impact (don't tell me you don't see the impact). The foot backwards is up for debate, Could be a spasm, for instance. Or plain physics of mass... Ask three people, and all three will tell you something else. What is NOT up for debate is the 2 inch jerk. THAT shot came from behind.
sbrenn 1 year ago
@sbrenn the only 2 inch jerk is you with your dick in your hand. Shots came from different directions. According to the SS agent Kellerman, he said JFK had been shot 4 times, and Connolly 3 times. He said in his testimony there had to be more than 3 shots. Plus, Former conspirator pres. Ford admitted moving the JFK back wound up several inches to fit the Oswald lies.
jacobji5 8 months ago
@sbrenn The reason that his head jerked a couple of inches was because of the shot to his back about the same time and the weight of his body absorbed most of the impact (and the shot came from further away) whereas his head did not absorb as much impact since it was less massive. There were at least 4 shots fired. One hit his throat first, the second and third were about the same time, one to the back and one to the head, one hit governor and the fourth hit JFK's head.
Challagar 7 months ago in playlist no# 4
@Challagar
My goodness, what a lot of bullets there were flying around that day, huh?
So sorry sir - your statistics are a bit skewed. The 1st hit-shot occurred behind the Stemmons Freeway sign. It passed thru JFK back-to-front, exited his throat & struck JBC under the armpit.
The 2nd hit was 3.5 secs later & struck JFK in the lower right rear of his skull & exited ~2 ins above the rt eyebrow - then hit the windshield.
3 shots. 2 hits.
There's alot more evidence available than just the Z-Film.
10Feanor 7 months ago
@10Feanor Are you going by what you've read or by what you know? I know JFK was hit before JBC was even hit because I can see for myself, looking at the footage one frame at a time. I am not going by second hand information as you apparently are. JFK is clutching his neck while JBC is still apparently clueless except that he heard a shot. AND he later stated, on video, that he saw JFK "slumped" in the back seat BEFORE JBC got hit! He later CHANGED his story!
Challagar 7 months ago
@Challagar
I too have seen the Z-Film frame-by-frame. You will see in #223 thru #228 that both men react simultaneously to a single event.
While JFK is unseen at the shot, we see JBC's jacket lapel puff out as the bullet passes thru, his mouth open in a cry of pain, & his right shoulder drop as the air is evacuated from his lung.
When JFK emerges we see his fists rise, but unable to cry out as his larynx has been destroyed.
Both men were hit at the same time by the same bullet.
It's in the film.
10Feanor 7 months ago
@10Feanor BS, I went frame by frame and I saw the look of pain on his face several frames AFTER JFK is already clutching his throat. That and the testimony of BJC trumps your BS claim.
Challagar 7 months ago
@Challagar
Here in 1080 HD is close-up of the injury to the head, compared on films taken of the assassination from opposite sides of the street....
youtube.com/watch?v=i2y7MGtleKY
mimusremedium 7 months ago
@10Feanor "There's alot more evidence available than just the Z-Film." Yeah, like JBC's video taped testimony. He stated that he saw JFK "slumped" in the backseat before he was ever hit and then he later changed his story. Quite convenient I would say! Any intelligent person would know that he was either in on it or was pressured to change his story!
Challagar 7 months ago
@Challagar
Well, tell me when JBC saw JFK slumped? He was facing forward until he fell to the left, pulled down by his wife. We see this happen. This is when he saw JFK slumped. But he'd already been hit.
re: Your last comment i.e. "BS"
Seriously sir - look again at the frame-by-frame. Look at JBC's coat, his mouth & his shoulder. We can already see JFK's hand & shirt-cuff, & it's moving up.
Post your e-mail on my U-Toob page and I will prove it.
(Hard to do in 500-words here)
10Feanor 7 months ago
@sbrenn Sorry, i got the order wrong. The first was to his throat, the second hit the governor and the third and fourth hit about the same time. One to the back and one to the head.
Challagar 7 months ago
@hellhole243
Your obviously under Educated. Your little video is fucking retarded and pointless. Look up the House Committee On Assassination 1978. Or the Joseph Milteer, William Sommersett recording. Or the declassified C.I.A. documents admitting Oswald worked for the C.I.A. as a Russian informant. Or the most well known fact that the Zapruder film your analyzing is missing 16 frames. Maybe do a video on the proven altered autopsy photos.
Mcintoshson 4 months ago
who is the assasin sitting next to jfk?
seeTHEsounds 1 year ago
Why did Abe choose to film the grass, placing the protagonist so low as to be almost out of frame just before the pyrotechnics? What is Jonny doing as he emerges from behind the sign - doesn't really have his hands to his neck, more covering his face. What's Jackie up to? Is that really a piece of his head that flies off? "Who shot Kennedy" might be a simple piece of misdirection. It has, after all, been asked repeatedly by Big Media and by Hollywood.
sxmadrid 1 year ago
Yes the shots came from behind and you do a nice job showing that, but nothing, nothing sir happen on the knoll. it was oswald and ONLY oswald.
blungo99 1 year ago
this film is fake, the lady with the red dress on the grass behind limo , said she jumped into the road when the president passed, yet she is shown motionless on the grass in this video
optionsupdate 1 year ago
@optionsupdate The woman in the red coat is Jean Hill, who also said in one of her testimonies that she saw a little dog in the limo between JFK and Jackie. Then she stated that after the shots were fired she raced across the street towards the grassy knoll and was almost hit by a police motorcycle. From this film and others you can see that none of this is the case, so the lady was hardly a reliable witness.
alex6847 1 year ago
@alex6847 perhaps she was reliable and the zapruder film has been altered, witnesses said the limo came to a stop before the deadly shot, yet zapruder the limo only seems to slow down, Zapruder is fake, imho
optionsupdate 1 year ago
@optionsupdate So by your logic, every single other film from that day is faked as well, as none of them show the car stopping either. Those other films also show the somewhat reserved crowd as seen here. Are they all fake just because they differ from a few muddled witness testimonies?
alex6847 1 year ago
@alex6847 Yes, the Z film is a proven fraud. it is missing people, or has too many people when compared to other films. And it does not conform to dozens of eyewitnesses.
If film A does not match film B, you cannot conclude both films are altered. But one of them certainly is.
jacobji5 1 year ago
@jacobji5 bull crap
blungo99 1 year ago
@blungo99 You are full of bull crap. what do you think of Gay Edgar Hoover (FBI director in 1963)? Is he a hero to you? Do you cross-dress and suck dick like your hero?
Hoover was controlled by the CIA that took pictures of his cross-dressing (1 on youtube) and sucking dick. Hoover said the mafia did not exist. Why would he say that? Hoover fed lies to the Warren Commission criminals. They rendered their decisions accordingly.
And Zapruder belonged to a CIA front organization in Dallas.
jacobji5 1 year ago
@jacobji5 So Zapruder belonged to a CIA front organization? Got proof?, Nope.can I have the bong now. wake up DICK, and If you want me to suck your cock, it will cost you,.. I'm real good. Some day soon you will know I speak duh troof. till then enjoy watching jfk for the 52,381 time, ya ass.
blungo99 1 year ago
@blungo99 got any proof of a 2nd shooter. no? I did not think so. Go watch JFK again, maybe Newman did do it.
blungo99 1 year ago
@jacobji5 If the "proving" was done by someone from the "conspiracy cult crowd" then it's bogus for sure. Nothing of serious merit can be attributed to the wacko notions and fabricators of evidence then someone from the "CCC".
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@alex6847 But they DO show rapid deceleration, whereas in the identical timeframe, Z's film shows none, and even shows acceleration, based on the stabilization of the background and known distance markers.
It's a goddamned shame that NO evidence is really reliable by some universal litmus test. We're left with mockeries of best evidence, most of which was altered or destroyed.
OneVoiceMore 1 year ago
@alex6847 in zapruder film notice how still the people behind the limo are as it passes, they dont wave take pictures they dont do anything, as though they are still waiting for the limo even though it is passing in front of them
optionsupdate 1 year ago
We'll never know what happened. It sucks, but it's the truth.
hdmf 1 year ago
JFK's head notation would highly suggest that he was hit from the front.
LynxCoding 1 year ago
@DarylCVinnyVoom444 I cannot make heads or tales out of what you are saying?
barmtrail 1 year ago
If I was riding a motorcycle and closely following a car ANYWHERE and I heard a shot fired, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't twist around to look behind me! Though I'm sure being safe rider wasn't in the forefront of their thoughts, subconsciously they know better.
blackwashburn 1 year ago
Good video. The motor officers are looking at zapruder who clearly stands out because he is elevated and holding something in his hands. Oswald was a patsy like he said. The shooter (There was only one) was in the building next to the SBD. 100 yard shot at best. The driver almost stopped the car, so this was not a difficult shot. The shooter missed his first 2 shots maybe on purpose, or he did not know how to lead his shots. Makes you wonder. A poodle shooter could have made the shot.
barmtrail 1 year ago
And as far as coming from behind...that's bogus. His head was already tilted down and forward...and from where he got hit on the head, of course his head would go forward a bit more.
LucidDream 1 year ago
The officers were looking that way because they didn't know which was to look due to the echo of the gunshot.
LucidDream 1 year ago
Good point about the gel. It is difficult to be objective as so many of us have grown up with all of this. As I see it, the head moves forward first and then back and to the left. The officers do look at the knoll for sure, and these two facts togther suggest, but only suggest, being hit twice first from the back and then the front almost simultaneously. On this point Bob Harris's analysis is the most persuasive.
animatetime 1 year ago
Try hearing where a shot came from in an urban environment. IT'S FUCKING HARD. Relying on the ears of bystanders is hardly a full proof case. The forenic postmortem pretty much of destroys any argument based on initial reacions by shit scared people. And wouldn't the bullet pass RIGHT NEXT to the filmer that made this? That didn't happen according to him. Why is it so hard for people to belive the truth and not have to make up such rediculous consipracies based on speculation and weak evidence?
Rafterman123 1 year ago
@Rafterman123 Because a conspiracy is a lot more EXCITING than 1 guy with a rifle. Looks to me like the 2 policeman were looking at Zapruder.
Chrisdrumz 1 year ago
@Chrisdrumz Zapruder did it!
Rafterman123 1 year ago
@Rafterman123 Ya know,i'm sure SOMEBODY out there has put that theory forward! I used to be a conspiracy nut,but after reading numerous books with all of their contradictions and seeing how modern technology is making the lone gunman theory more valid I can only come to the conclusion it was Oswald who fired all the shots. It's also amusing to see how ANGRY conspiracy theorists get when I say that!
Chrisdrumz 1 year ago
@Chrisdrumz lol no I think Oswald was the only gunman too, I was responding sarcastically to a previous comment. All of the points conspiracy theorists make seem to support their claim - if you are the average joe with a mullet. But if approached with an unbiased mind and with actual knowledge about firearms (and intelligence) they are not only easily explained away, but are far more likely to be the result of just Oswald.
Rafterman123 1 year ago
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@xyz78989 The more I read your comments, the more I'm convinced your an idiot.
gubbah 1 year ago
that's proof, huh? more confusing than anything else.
chaz77love 1 year ago
JFK brings his hands up to his chest, before the fatal head shot, he was in some difficulty then, that's why he dos'nt do anything, as he is reacting to that. Then the next shot, is the fatal head shot. All happened way too fast, for any type of protective behaviour, to oneself.
TheTreacle52 1 year ago
The head went slightly forward because of Mechanics, Law of Physics
An arm swiveling in one point with a distance " From neck to top of the head"
applying a force (bullet) creates the so called MOMENTUM. That happens
because his head was slightly downward. After that
fraction o second the bullet pushes the whole head.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
I am such a stupid turd sometimes.
What I said previously was in error.
There are other films that do not support the Zapruder film. The Z film has many anomalies that prove it is an altered film. One example is, there are people added and other people removed from the Z film, that do or do not show on other films.
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It has also been proven that a high ranking member of the CIA purchased the Z film, under the disguise of LIFE magazine.
The Z film is one of the CIA's best con jobs on the public.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor
Hee hee
GrassyKnollKiller is at it again!
We love him and his goofy hyperbole!
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Faenor
no proof of that at all, time life bought the film immediately the importance of it was revealed..
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz The proof is that you never check anything out. The proof is you believe any lies put out by the govt.
You are such an idiot, you believe a Life magazine can walk and eat shit, just like you do. But I am smart. I know Life magazine is just a fictitious business entity; not a real person. The real person who owned Life magazine in 1963 is WHO purchased the Z film. Henry R Luce. In the OSS (CIA) since WWII and until death.
Magazine don't buy films, humans do. Do you get that, dickwad?
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor
i have been researching this for over 30 yrs, i dont need a brainless shithead like you to come up with the same old theory which was disproved 20 yrs ago... you havent got a clue or any other remarks that would possibly interest anybody, i suggest you do actually research the subject or shut the fuck up..
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz The only thing you researched for the past 30 years is how to wipe your asshole clean. You have repeatedly been told to use toilet paper, not double over and use your tongue. But you just don't get it.
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The WC Lies Report has already been discredited.
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Now we understand the real reason it is illegal to look out that 6th floor window is people will notice the shot fictitious shot paths.
Oswald never shot anyone from that 6th floor, nor did anyone else. Just another govt. creation.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor
least my asshole isnt in my head ya brainwashed twat, the warren commision has been discredited by subnormal twats like you & your conspiracy mates, but it has never been disproved, oswald shot jfk from above & behind, alone & unaided, open your eyes & ears & learn your history, twat
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz You have a cum bubble brain.
You love it when any govt bullshit artist will stick his dick into your ear and shoot a wad into it.
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Your hero, and your gay bed buddy J Edgar Hoover, was part of it. People are beginning to view and read the truth that this boy-molesting pervert was just another criminal with a badge.
The 6th floor window sniper nest was created by govt operatives. It is illegal to look out that window and see the fictitious shot paths. Particularly, the 1st one.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor
ya gay fuckin twat, your faggot brain cant handle the truth your just a fucked in the head sheep
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz: If you actually care about trying to convey your message to someone, and don't want to have them close their ears/eyes at it, you'll probably have better luck if you stop with the name calling.
eagro 1 year ago
@eagro
WHAT THE HELLS YOUR PROBLEM, I WASNT TALKING TO YOU....
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz: For starters you're wasting space with your inane and childish comments, and even if you're not going to listen, I feel like I should at least attempt to help you realize how to get further in life.
eagro 1 year ago
@eagro
think your the one whos down the brain drain???
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz: I don't know what that means.
eagro 1 year ago
@eagro
you answered my question then!! didnt think you would??
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz: English is my second language, maybe that's why I don't get it.
eagro 1 year ago
@eagro
ok i forgive ya lol
grettoz 1 year ago
@eagro you probably don't get it due to some
of the awful spelling! Holy Cow. "Look WERE
their eyes......."??? Jeez.
enoboye 1 year ago
@enoboye: Hehehe.. ;)
eagro 1 year ago
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Since Larry Silverstein said pull it, demolished WTC 7 and collected billions in insurance, why would the insurance company pay the claim if there's evidence of fraud?
If WTC 1 & 2 were destroyed by demolition & not fire, how do you explain video of the exterior columns buckling under heat and stress loads 18 minutes after impact?
How can Marvin Bush be in charge of WTC security when he stopped working for Securecom in June of 2000?
ctcole77 1 year ago
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@10Faenor: If you actually care about trying to convey your message to someone, and don't want to have them close their ears/eyes at it, you'll probably have better luck if you stop with the name calling.
eagro 1 year ago
@grettoz
Web search: henry r luce cia
Then read the several web page entries. Spartacus Educational, Political Friendster, etc. down through jfk and Time, inc.
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Investigate. Read. Learn.
10Faenor 1 year ago
"Over the postwar years, we have granted to the elite and secret police within our system vast new powers over the lives and liberties of the people. At the request of the trusted and respected heads of those forces, and their appeal to the necessities of national security, we have exempted those grants of power from due accounting and strict surveillance."
--- House Majority Leader Hale Boggs, in a speech before Congress, 22 April 1971
jacobji5 1 year ago
"Hoover lied his eyes out to the Commission – on Oswald, on Ruby, on their friends, the bullets, the gun, you name it".
--- Hale Boggs (D), House Majority Leader (1962 – 71), Member of the Warren Commission, speaking to an aide, quoted by Bernard Fensterwald, in Coincidence or Conspiracy
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On October 16, 1972, Boggs disappeared in a plane over a remote section of Alaska. The plane was never found. It was later reported that he had startling revelations to make about the JFK assassination.
jacobji5 1 year ago
Came from behind? Sorry sbrenn, the simple physics at impact tells you the round came from the front.
rovingdesertfox 1 year ago
@rovingdesertfox
correct why wont people see just plain facts?
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz
did you see where unsolved history did a experiment recreating the shooting. They built a tower and had a car tow another car
And it produced similiar results?
ctcole77 1 year ago
@ctcole77 It did not produce similar results. You simply accepted their lies as fact because they told you so.
But if they repeat these lies often enough, on the History Channel, they will wear you down and you will believe it.
"Repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth". Look this up.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor
It did produce similiar results. You didn't even bother to watch it.
Just one problem with your statement.
The history channel was the first network to air "The Men Who Killed Kennedy".
Let me guess, you're also a 911 twoofer?
ctcole77 1 year ago
@ctcole77
yes i did & as far as im concerned it puts the shots from the front theory to bed for good...
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz
the funny thing is that all these gullble morons never even bothered to recreate it until nearly 70 years later
ctcole77 1 year ago
@grettoz
I especially like the part when they climbed down into the sewer to see if a shooter could operate down there.
Again, people spread theories without even trying to test them out.
ctcole77 1 year ago
@ctcole77
they will never accept the lone gunman theory!! its just easier for them to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon i guess.. i guess to them man never landed on the moon either??
grettoz 1 year ago
WHEN THE SHOT HIT HIS HEAD means nerve reaction.
Why the head did not move forward all the way, right after
it simply moved backward suddenly.
Please sbrenn make your comments on this one and
"THE FIRST SHOT WAS FATAL TOO"
Verdelufe 1 year ago
THE FIRST SHOT WAS FATAL TOO !!!!
The neck wound was a ENTRANCE shot, WC says that was
a exit wound. Notice ZAPRUDER film SLOW MOTION JFK being pushed
against the seat violently right after the sign then he grabbed
his neck. The autopsy report was altered. JFK might never
been hit from the back from no one. Go see the clip
"BULLET HOLES AT LIMOUSINE" they sent this car to Detroit
replaced the windshield and no forensic analyses were made
The real sign of the conspiracy.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
Policemen looked at the same direction where echo was coming from.
rainriders 1 year ago
When Oswald shoots JFK in the neck and Connally in the side (from behind) both secret service guys turn around because of the commotion. If you've ever had to yell @ your kids in the backseat the motion of turning around pulls your foot off the accellerator some (hence the slowing of the vehicle). He didn't slow down on purpose. They turn around just in time to see the headshot. Fuck where the motorcycle cops were looking AND which shots came first.
mima572001 1 year ago
back, and to the left
back, and to the left
back, and to the left
Tommytuffnuttz 1 year ago
With regard to the whole 'Back-&-To-The-Left' thing ... Please think in 3-D.
When looking at other stills and films you'll see that JFK was leaning slightly left and forward, having already been shot through the back > throat. When the bullet skipped through his upper-right skull, the force of impact and exit drove him in the opposite direction. It was more like a twirl, stopped by Jackie.
People who use only the Z-Film to make assumptions are leaving out a huge amount of other evidence.
Feanor
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor, I know there are only 7 so called "wonders of the world" but JFK's assassination should be on the list at #1 for media brainwashing. It's almost beyond belief how many STUPID people there are. This is the only event in history caught on video, where anybody with 2 functioning eyeballs can see as plain as day the actual MOMENT the bullet strikes him in the FRONT of his head, but turn around and say (with RANCOR) that he was shot in the BACK of his head
xyz78989 1 year ago
@xyz78989
shot from behind yes 100%, the brain matter was compressed when he was hit from behind, this forced the head forward as can be seen for a second, it then recoilrd backwards as the brain matter exited the side front
grettoz 1 year ago