When he made the leap to the top level he was completely outclassed, and this would have been Calzaghe's fate had he fought Hopkins and Jones in their prime. 99% of Calzaghe's record is against lesser opposition. He reigned over a division whose second best fighter was Mikkel Kessler! He has the embellished record of a home town fighter against lesser opposition and the names of 2 faded legends! He will never be consider an all time great never!!
Why should calzaghe go to America right. Lets look at some of the top Boxers who fight in America at the moment Sergio Martinez, Manny Pacquio, Miguel Cotto and Marquez. Hold on there not American! Lets draw a parell with the career of Ricky Hatton who went to fight in America in order to get Fights against the top fighters in their prime Pacquio and Mayweather, but first he had to fight against the top contenders in order to get the big fights!
There is Mikkel Kessler who was comprehensively outclassed by Andre Ward who Calzaghe wanted none of. Jeff Lacey came with a big reputation but was proven to be a limited fighter. Calzaghe fans will swear that he was amazing until Calzaghe beat him! Then as they become more desperate they will claim Chris Eubank was a legend to pad his fragile record. Who else maybe Robin Reed?! But poor calzaghe everyone he should have fought was either too scared, would not travel or not enough money!
For a moment lets forget about him ending his career against the undeniably Roy "SHOT" Jones who still was able to drop Calzaghe with his power. Jones is his prime would have stopped Calzaghe. Then there is his split decision win over"OLD" Hopkins who deserved a rematch. Calzaghe would have been comprehensively outclassed by a prime Bernard Hopkins. His legacy is built upon a home town record against lesser opposition, and his victories over 2 faded ring legends!
Do you even know the definition of sarcasm? Read my comment again moron I wasn't pointing out the fact that he fought in America, I was pointing out the bit that you said manny fought weak opposition and 2 faded legends
calzaghe is a great fighter beat everyone in his era he lost his power towards the end of his career because of a lot of hand injuries, if u want to see his power look at his prime against lacy and eubank
Not impressed. And he only seems fast but that's because he only pulls his punches back halfway before he throws again. This makes him look like he' slap-boxing. Poor Brits. But don't worry we got some1 like that too: Floyd mayweather.
@evanruss96 You really missed the point moron, as it was a point of sarcasm to demonstrate the need of fighting in America against top opposition to secure your legacy!
Then as they become more and more desperate they will begin to talk Chris Eubank up as a legend to try and pad his record! They will cry that everybody that he should have fought was afraid of him, not enough money and would not travel. Manny Pacquio would be where he is today if he fought in the Phillipines right! His has an unblemished winning record against lesser opposition. His record is built of 99% lesser opposition and 2 faded legends!
Lets forget for a moment about his questionable split decision victory over "OLD" Bernard Hopkins who deserved a rematch!, and ending his career against Roy "SHOT" Jones. All he has is an embellished home town record against lesser opposition chosen for him by Frank Warren. There is Mikkel Kessler, and Jeff Lacey, the same Kessler comprehensively outclasses by Ward whom calzaghe decided not to Fight. Jeff lacey was an average boxer so calzaghe fans claim he was amazing until Calzaghe fought him!
CALZAGHE ERA MUY RAPIDO DE MANOS SI, PERO ERA UN BOXEADOR SUCIO, MAÑOSO, ENRREDADO, HACIA PELEAS DESORDENADAS, POCO VISTOSAS, PELEAS POCO APRESIABLES Y FEAS EN POCAS PALABRAS ABURRIDAS (n)
@ghostpen8 Fact is Jones and Hopkins didn't want to fight Joe because they had no chance! The facts are in the NONE fights they had with him! Until they needed the money! i.e. Tyson Vs Lewis!
@sw1000xg Read my comments in full. Joe Calzaghe has the embellished legacy of a home town figter and 2 faded legends. Roy "SHOT" Jones who still dropped joe, and a split descesion over "OLD" Hopkins who deserved a rematch. He didn't want to fight then in their prime cause he would have lost. His legacy is fully of holes. If Mikkel Kessler and OLD Hopkins were your hardest fights you are not a legend!
@ghostpen8 No they didn't want to fight him because it's easy to fight someone they know they can beat. Other than fight someone who they have no idea if they would beat them or not! They still ran from Joe! Joe didn't duck anyone, they still didn't want to fight him so how are they any better? There not there chickens! Joe retired undefeated they did not!
@sw1000xg Please dude. You europeans hang on to Cal-fag-he like he was so great. His 46-0 record don't mean shit. Had he fought the best during their prime & lost he would be more respected. Look at Hatton. We Americans love him because he fought the best & lost but at least he didn't duck anyone or wait til they was too old. Cal-fag-he was too protected, didn't want to leave home, & too concerned with that WBOgus belt. No matter what you think the money & top opposition was in America.
@MackDaddyCoolC And Cal-fag-he didn't want to go there til it was too late in his career. He could have fought B-Hop, Jones (while in their prime) Winky Wright, Froch, Glen Johnson ( Whom he ducked numerous times), Tarver, etc.. He slated Tarver for KOing a washed up Roy Jones then took credit for beating an even more wash up Roy. Cal-fag-he was a joke. He went from his career defining fight against an over-hyped Lacy to fighting a guy from a tv reality series in Manfredo. WTF was that?
@MackDaddyCoolC Americans are know for running i.e. From Lennox Lewis LOOOOOL!!! If in doubt RUN! Calzaghe retired UNDEFEATED! Jones and Hopkins would rather fight people they know they can beat other than take a chance on an undefeated fighter and get whooped!
@sw1000xg Only Bowe ran from Lennox. Lennox was another british bum fighter. As was Chris Eubank, Naseem Hamed, Frank Bruno, Henry Cooper, Gary Mason, & your friend Cal-fag-he. He NEVER fought top opposition during their prime. Oh wait, he fought Mario Veit twice, Peter Manfredo, a washed up list of over the hill fighters, He ran from Carl Froch, Antonio Tarver, Glencoffe Johnson, Winky Wright, Bernard Hopkins & Roy Jones during their prime. Joe was a bum & will always be remembered as one.
@MackDaddyCoolC So Tyson ran from Lewis, Holyfield ran from Lewis until too late, Bowe ran from Lewis, every SINGLE American ran from Lewis. The same for Calzaghe EVERYONE ran from so why did none of the greats fight those two? We;; surely they all can't be affraid, surely they would want to prove themselves? Just keep fighting on the circuit and beating nobodys so morons like you can rave about them when all they did was RUN HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
@sw1000xg Nobody wanted to fight Calzaghe because he was a non-factor. He was at super middleweight which was a dead nothing division, he only ever fought against C level shitty eurobums in his hometown in the UK, he'd have fights that would play on Showtime where he'd say "I'm coming to america next year, I'm moving up in weight!", but he never did.
He pulled out of 3 fights with Glen Johnson, one time just a week before the fight. He was fuckin terrified, a little euro coward.
I want you to go ahead and pinpoint the exact time they were possibly going to fight and why it didn't happen. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't in the 90s at all.
@pearcemark2 They didn't fight him because they WHERE SCARED not fighting him PROVED it! They ran and ran and ran and ran until there careers where over! And had NOTHING to lose which they did LOOOOL!
@sw1000xg hahahah you retard, you failed to follow the most basic instructions
Allow me to inform you, retard: In 2002, Hopkins was negotiating with Showtime about possibly signing with them for a 3 fight, 10 million dollar deal. The fights would be Hakkar, Harry Simon, and Calzaghe.
Hopkins at that time was chasing a rematch with Trinidad or Roy Jones, or a megafight with Shane Mosley or Oscar De La Hoya. You know, All Time Great Hall of Famers with a huge name, not some eurobum
@sw1000xg You know where Calzaghe was? Hiding in europe fighting ABSOLUTE FUCKING BUMS once or twice a year, and he had absolutely no name value, not even in Wales. Nobody knew who the cocksucker was.
And he had the nerve to insist that Roy or B-Hop fly to Wales to fight him at Millennium Stadium super middleweight, where he would receive the entire gate, when he only held a WBOgus fake title that meant nothing and they were the top P4P fighters on the planet.
@sw1000xg You know what happened instead? Calslappy fought Mger Mkrtchyan and Kabary Salem and Mario Veit and other nameless bums ranked #30 and below for little money.
Hopkins fought the #2 ranked middleweight William Joppy, and he made $15 million when he put together the megafight with De La Hoya.
Joe was a coward, he hid and fought bums his whole career, and he was only willing to come to america when HBO FORCED him to, and he only did it against 43 year old men.
@pearcemark2 Everyone who knows Jones and Hopkins RAN! Simple you can't deal with it so you make up excuses! Everyone in the boxing industry knows they didn't want to fight an undefeated fighter! They chased people they KNEW they could beat nothing more!
It's so hilarious, you just yell some dumb "DURRR DEY RAN!!!" doofus shit, I break down to you exact timeframes and negotiations and explain in clear times PRECISELY why the fights never happened, displaying with great detail how it is entirely Calslappy's fault it never came together
and all of those facts bounce off your thick neanderthal skull and you ignore it and just again repeat "DURRR NO DEY RAN DURR"
@sw1000xg Eastman wasn't a bum. He had a record of 40-1, that loss being by Majority Decision to William Joppy in Las Vegas. Many brits didn't like that decision and felt Eastman won, so you could argue he should've been undefeated. Eastman also had a higher profile than Joe in america since he had the balls to come to the US and fight the best prime strong fighters which raised his profile, which Joe didn't do.
Also, Eastman was the mandatory challenger. B-Hop HAD to fight him
@sw1000xg Yeah, Hopkins is really known for running from undefeated fighters.
8-0 Percy Harris
21-0 Roy Jones
14-0 Roy Ritchie
25-0 Joe Lipsey
32-0 Glen Johnson
40-0 All Time Great Hall of Famer Felix Trinidad
23-0 Jermain Taylor
He sure did shy away from undefeated fighters, huh? LOL
Lacy is a nobody. Where does you honestly rank him in the grand scheme of things? Do you go "man Jeff Lacy, that guy's legendary, he was an amazing champion"? No, he was simply a prospect
@calzagheking whats with that attitude? i just asked a normal question, i didnt know the guy was undefeated. all i knew was that he beat two old legends, far past their prime and it looked like everyone took this super serious. thats why i had to ask...
@zinowor There is nothing great about ordinary Joe Soap Calzaghe. He fought 44 times in home town fights wrapped in cotton wool by his then promoter Frank Warren! He hid at super middleweight nestled between middle and light heavy. He ended his career against Roy "shot" jones, would not give old Hopkins a rematch. Was it coincidence that he moved out of super middleweight at the same time Andre Ward started to show prominence. He was world level but no all time great and i think that is fair!
I notice there is no Jeffy Lacy in this video, All you haters fail to mention that Joe destroyed Lacy physically and mentally, its easy for you to say Lacy was overrated now, but after that fight he went on to a close match with Jermaine Taylor, so go ahead and pick and choose the bits you dont like, not everyone is mike tyson with there power, ask Jeff lacy about those slaps, he called him a slapper by the end of the fight he was a bloody mess and had been knocked down.
@natchrdanhar Jeff lacy is complete and utter garbage. He lost every single fight he with any above average fighter. Close fight with Taylor? He lost by 10 points on every judges scorecards it was an ass whopping. Lacy is complete garbage!!!
@cpaignboxing I guess my point is that no-one knew he was a bum. And its easy to be a captain hindsight, and besides that the idea that B-Hop was washed up its completely ridiculous look at him he is Champion FFS, about a year ago he could still beat any active Light Heavy, so he must have full credit for that win, but its not about that its about finding something to knock Eurotrash as he is commonly referred to, We see it all the time on thousands of posts just like these
@natchrdanhar dude how can a 43 year old hopkins not be washed up? It is not physically possible for hopkins to be the same fighter he was in his prime. So if beating 43 year old hopkins is such a huge accomplishment what does that make jermain taylor? A complete legend because he beat a 40 year old hopkins twice. Calzaghe never fought anybody. So let me guess RJJ wasn't washed up either right? Get off Calzaghes nuts he was a average fighter at best and fought no one
@cpaignboxing Well he is 47 now and the number 1 light heayweight, so how can he be washed up? age means nothing, hopkins is a spoiler that's how he fights, unlike Roy his skill base is not built on athletic ability, I will not except the Hopkins is washed up, I am well aware Roy was Washed up im not blind, I just get fed up of non Europeans mocking every single European fighter its pathetic USA no longer dominates boxing get over it. Joe was 36 when they fought that ain't young.
@ghostpen8 Yes there are I know a few there called Danes lol, no but seriously some of my friends are not big fans, but 90% of the people on here being negative about him would have the opposite opinion if he was American, Nearly every boxing legend has holes in there legacy and its objective and based on personal opinion, I could sit here and point out faults with Marciano and Tyson’s legacy’s just as easily buts that’s also objective.
@cpaignboxing luciano torres chris eubank juan carlos gimenez 30-0 mario veit 45-1 mario veit 21-0 jeff lacy 39-0 mikkel kessler bhop rjj 21-0 mark delaney 12-0 tyler hughes not one super middle or light heavy apart from b hop has a record anywhere near as good as that.
@MrLukedanger lol wow look at your own list. Then know you can take Eubank, hopkins and rjj off that list because no one in there right mind would consider those wins as anything special. Now lets look at jeff lacy and kessler the other 2 biggest names on that list (which in itself is pathetic). Lacy has lost every big fight he has ever been in. Kessler was completely dominated and stopped by ward. What champion at the top of there game did he fight? NONE!!!!
@cpaignboxing jones is still fighting now and hopkins is dominating now every fighter at LHW wants to beat hopkins, lacy was a great fighter, after calzaghe he was never the same and kessler was better when kalzaghe beat him, (6 years ago) of it matters so much go start boxing yourself and get a better SMW record than calzaghe and win the same tittle when you realise you can, SHUT THE FUCK UP ;] XXOXOXX
@cpaignboxing Ward didnt stop Kessler ward was winning on points, but he never stopped him, Kessler has never been knocked down, it was caused by a cut, caused by one of many headbuts, Technical Decision don’t post things that are not true.
@natchrdanhar Also forgot to mention that it was wards home town, with all local officials, something that was hotly contested before the fight. Ward is Number 1 no doubt one of my favs and has personality of gold, but a lot of people were upset about the home town thing.
@jacktheking45 well frank warren carefully put selected fighters in front of him. Roy jones was shot and prior to calzaghe he was knocked and was knocked out after. He finished his career against a shot fighter.
Joe Calzaghe hid at Super middle weight, whoSE second best fighter was Mikkel Kessler ha! Nicely located between middle and light heavy. Frank Warren wrapped him in cotton wool with 44 home town fights! He barely beat Old Bernard Hopkins, and would not give him a rematch. He ended his career against a shot Roy Jones. His unbeaten record belies the lack of quality opponents. Legacy full of holes boxing greatest fraud!
Calzaghe had only 22 fights in wales not his 44 your talking about, I suppose Andre Ward is hiding at Super middle Weight ? he was Champ for a long time the champ usually fights at home, please check the home town fight records for American stars before you point the finger.
@ghostpen8 What's the venue got to do with it? Roy Jones lol the man who accepts he avoided fighting Colloins & a past it Eubank who Joe happened to outclass! What new talent you talking about? as you failed misrably to mention even a single name
@MrConnolly25 Fact he fought a pathetic Roy "shot" Jones to end his glorious career, you agree? He had a career of home town fights with Frank Warren choosing opponents for him! Manfredo was a home town stoppage. Super 6 winner Andre Ward who easily beat one of Joe Calzaghe toughest opponents kessler! He fought 2 faded stars at Light heavy. This guys legacy is in tatters!
@ghostpen8 He never fough 2 faded stars so quit shit talking.Jones was past it Hopkins has won a world title since.He fought where he wanted i don't remember when Jones,Hopkins or Ward had a fight outside their home country do you? Ward beating Kessler means nothing styles make fights period.In 08 when Calzaghe beat Hopkins & Jones Ward was fighting Ravelo,Camou= nobodies.The world doesn't end outside of America lol learn to master your subject b4 spouting shit.Lesson over!
@MrConnolly25 You just claimed that Ward beating kessler means nothing! Ward destroyed kessler calzaghe toughest opponent. He was wrapped in cotton wool by Frank Warren who carefully selected his opponents. He would not give OLD Hopkins a rematch!
You think Manny Pacquio would be where he is today fighting in the Phillipinnes! Legacy is filled with holes!
@ghostpen8 You too stupid to deal with lol just because fighter1 beats fighter2 it doesn't mean fighter1 beats fighter3 because fighter2 had already beaten fighter3 boxing just doesn't work like that.
@MrConnolly25 and collins was meant 2 fight joe but he retired..i wonder why..? so joe fought eubank...it is bitter americans slamming him..i know he didnt fight all class fighters but he did fight some crackers..not all boxers fight all good fighters anyway..i can remember jones defending his titles against some1 called kelly..behind the bk punch ko..the punch wouldnt have hurt anyone..and that was when jones was in his prime...lol..and on steroids
@calzagheking Im no Collins fan but Collins vs Jones was a legit fight which Jones decided to sidestep,Collins spent years calling him out when Collins was a champion Jones said no end of.Collins collapsed in training for Calzaghe the doctors told him any blows to his head could result in death.
@natchrdanhar i know m8 they say u have 2 go 2 america 2 make a name 4 urself..the reason 4 that is the champs in america wont leave their own country...joe was a big enough fighter for hopkins and jones 2 come over and fight in the uk as it would have 60 or 70 thousand watching in the stadium and the millions of fans watching around the world..sorry duffer..lol..i wonder how many times hopkins or jones fought off home soil?
This guy is no all time Great. His unbeaten record belies the lack of quality opponents. Wrapped in Cotton wool by frank warren, see the disgraceful hometown stoppage against Manfredo. Would not give Hopkins a rematch. What about ending your great career against a washed out Jones! Champion of a very weak super middleweight hidden between light heavy and middleweight. Ordinary Joe slappy soap!
@Red23UK That's how you try and defend your hero with all the holes in his legacy. I'm not American and vast majority of people have a similar view on this guy! What other American fighters did he beat. surely more than 4!!
@Red23UK I have made my argument succinctly. This is a common held view over joe Calzaghe's inflated unbeaten record. Your the one crying that everybody thinks your hero is a charlatan. You have failed terribly in trying to prove Joe Calzaghe to be a boxing all time great.
@ghostpen8 your "argument" made you look like an idiot. first you got it wrong about Hopkins' age, then you thought Joe had only beaten two Americans yet i listed 16, 16!!!!. you cried about Manfredo Jnr losing to Joe yet Manfredo Jnr is a pussy about almost every fight he lost! face it, you are coming across as a little bitch that knows fuck all about boxing!
@Red23UK The point in regards to Hopkins was his is well past his prime due to his age being a major handicap. You obviously have no comprehension of sarcasm! Its rhetorical and there is a thing called a dictionary to find the meaning of words that you don't understand.
Decision against manfredo was a home town stoppage. Your opinion on manfredo is well received as it epitomized the quality of the opponents your hero faced.
@ghostpen8 i know what sarcasm is, what you used is "bullshit". you said he was 46 and that meant he was passed his prime? no, i'm not buying it, you were wrong (again) and now you're simply backtracking. and like i said before, and i'll try again.. once a boxer is deemed unable to defend himself the referee will stop the fight. that was Manfredo Jnr wasn't it? well?!
@Red23UK You don't have a clue! Look calzaghe is no all time great that's a fact! Like you said Manfredo was a 'fucking pussy about almost every fight he lost'. That is the caliber of opponent Joe Calzaghe fought against. He was defending himself and was not hurt by the slaps. It was a home town stoppage.
@ghostpen8 you are a stupid deluded fool. answer me this you idiot: who should Joe have fought that you'd be happy with?!! answer NO-ONE!! he's beaten the best they had to offer yet you still say he's not good! odd how Calzaghe is listed in the top ten best super middleweights of all time again and again. another fact that you're bound to ignore!
@bill23138 listen you idiot, and listen good.. some dumb fuck said Joe had only beaten two Americans and i corrected him. don't turn this into some off topic thing you retard. but since you asked, Floyd Mayweather Jnr had beaten one Brit, Tyson had beaten three (although he beat Bruno twice), James Toney has not beaten any Brits you cunt.
@Red23UK No you need to read my comments more carefully. I believe Joe Calzaghe was world level but he is no all time great. Supper middleweight was conveniently located between light heavy, and middle weight and was lacking in talent. Mikkel Kessler is one of the best super middleweight shows the dept of the talent there! Roy jones when he was not shot, Bernard Hopkins when he was not 42 even though he still warranted a rematch. He should have agreed to fight the winner of the super 6.
@Red23UK Ok he should have moved out of a super middleweight division which lacked any real talent. Roy Jones in his prime but i know he would have to go to America to establish himself first! Old Hopkins deserved a rematch. Other names would be Toney, Tarver Jermaine Taylor, Chad Dawson, Andre Ward and Glen Johnston. instead he fought those 16 guys you listed!
@ghostpen8 Hopkins deserved a rematch?! jesus you watched a different fight didn't you?! as for Chad Dawson, he's more into wrestling isn't he? LOL .. not sure why the Andre Ward fight never took place. Jermain Taylor would have been interesting, however there was talk Taylor wasn't ready and also didn't want to travel to Wales. Antonio Tarver didn't get the fight because he was beaten by Hopkins. Glen Johnston was a shame, Joe was injured and couldn't fight.
@Red23UK Old Hopkins deserved a rematch as calzaghe only won a split decision! He finished his glorious career against the shot Roy Jones instead of Chad Dawson or Andre Ward. He needed to go to America to get fights against Taylor, Hopkins and Roy Jones in their prime, in order to build his profile. Instead he hid at super middleweight getting home town fights while wrapped in cotton wool against those 16 guys you mentioned. He didn't want Ward cause he wanted to protect his record.
@ghostpen8 this is the same old, decrepit Hopkins that's going to fight.. Dawson?! forgive me for sounding stupid here but you said Calzaghe was lame for fighting Hopkins at 43 but Dawson's fighting him at 47?! come on, you've got to admit it.. game over.
@Red23UK The Fighters i mentioned are those that Calzaghe needed to fight,however he would not have beaten them. What makes it worse is that he deliberately hid demanding all home town fights. He chose those 16 guys you mentioned. As you said of Manfredo he was a pussy that nearly lost all his fights, and that sums up the caliber of his opponents. He ended his career against a shot roy jones who was getting knocked out left right and center.
@Red23UK So you believe those 16 guys you listed makes your hero a legend, or maybe ending his glorious career against the decrepit and lame Roy Jones. He struggled to beat Old Hopkins, and would not give him a rematch. 44 home town fights wrapped in cotton wool by frank warren. Needed a home town stoppage against the pussy manfredo. What about his decision to stay in a mediocre super middleweight division of which Mikkel Kessler was second best
@Red23UK amir khans a bum compared to an american like floyd mayweather. amir is like the only good british boxer right now and hes not even on floyds level. British boxers suck you praise calzaghe who hid in whales till roy jones got out of his prime then he decided he would fight him
@ghostpen8 i think the fight was stopped because there were 36 unanswered punches..manfredo is crap..but lets face u all thought lacy was going 2 duff him..it was the other way round..and what did hopkins do after joe beat he went on 2 win the lightheavy weight title and he destroyed kelly pavlik...so was hopkins past it or is just that the ppl he beat after the joe fight were crap
@calzagheking He was clearly not hurt as calzaghe wasn't a heavy puncher. It was a home town stoppage a malaise with boxing! Agree that Manfredo is crap and he was a typical calzaghe opponent, and that's why he remained undefeated! Why didn't he give old Hopkins a rematch? Yeah he beat lacy comprehensively but what did lacey achieved afterwards? What about his last fight against an obviously lame fighter. Why not retire against Andre Ward? Legacy fully of holes fact!
@ghostpen8 if u dont throw back ur a pussy and u deserve 2 get stopped..if u go bk 10 yrs ago hopkins and jones priced themselves out of a fight with joe...joe did try 2 get fights with them long b4 he did fight them..and the reason lacy done nothing after the fight is cos joe destroyed whatever fight he had left in him..and ppl say he never fought of british soil...when did hopkins and jones fight outside america?
@calzagheking Home town stoppage. Visibly he wasn't hurt. I agree that he was a pussy, and that's why he was chosen to fight Joe. That's a rubbish logic both Taylor and Jones had impressive victories over lacy. If joe wanted to fight hopkins and jones in their prime he needed to go to America and establish himself, but he chose to remain undefeated by fighting hand picked opposition. This guys legacy is rubbish!!
trust me, it's you that doesn't know what "sarcasm" means and you're proving it time and time again. here, i'll explain: saying someone is 46 when they are 43 is wrong. it cannot mean anything else, it is simply a mistake. no sarcasm and nothing rhetorical whatsoever. it was, put simply, you being wrong. and there you go about a home stoppage AGAIN! jesus get it through your thick skull, Manfredo Jnr could NOT DEFEND HIMSELF.
@ghostpen8 i don't have to prove it, just type "best super middleweights of all time" into Google and see how many times Calzaghe crops up! do it you stupid cunt, i'll fucking wait...
@Red23UK i should of asked how many have they fought lmao because all the best are from america there are hardly any british boxers toney hasnt even fought one because they all fuckin suck i bet u were crying when amir khan fought some real american fighters and got ktfo
@bill23138 you honestly don't know shit about boxing and it's obvious. Amir Khan has lost to ONE American, and a very dodgy split decision at that. in fact Michael Welsh has pretty much gone into hiding after the fight (odd that). let's see how the rematch goes.
He beat a washed out shot Roy Jones who was getting knocked out left right and center by opponents. He won a split decision over a 46 year old Bernard Hopkins who deserved a rematch. Jeff Lacy proved to be over hyped. He is no great and that's a fact. He has an inflated record which is easy to pull apart!
@ghostpen8 Hopkins was 43 when he fought Calzaghe you tool. face it, you don't know shit and are just gutted that the Brit beat so many Americans! LOL
@Red23UK Oh sorry he was a 43 year old spring chicken. He got a home town stoppage against Manfredo. What other Americans did he fucking beat. Frank Warren wrapped him in cotton wool all home town fights. Anyone who tries to argue that calzaghe is a great demonstrates their lack of boxing knowledge.
@ghostpen8 Americans beaten by Calzaghe (other than Hopkins): Frank Minton, Robert Curry, Tyrone Jackson, Guy Stanford, Anthony Brooks, Pat Lawlor, Tyler Hughes, Omar Sheika, Will McIntyre, Charles Brewer, Tocker Pudwill, Byron Mitchell, Jeff Lacy, Peter Manfredo Jr., Roy Jones Jr. your boxing knowledge is fucking ZERO you idiot.
@retror0b0t why?!! Manfredo Jnr couldn't defend himself and was taking tons of hits to his head. would you have preferred Calzaghe to continue and brain damage him? don't you fucking know anything about boxing?!!
@Red23UK they weren't heavy shots and most weren't even landing. the referee even took one when he stepped in and he didn't react which shows the amount of danger manfredo was is. not that it matters of course because manfredo was just another shit name on calzaghe's shit resume.
@retror0b0t and your argument is saying the hits weren't landing! the only person that can answer that is Manfredo Jnr! face it, you're sounding like a right whiner! LOL
Calslappy lol
MrThebestthang 1 day ago
wheres roy jones fight??
111misza111 1 day ago
fuck a calzaghenever fought DE LA HOYA, ARTURO GATTI JAMES TONEY OR RJJ IN PRIME so fukum
bbezel62 6 days ago
lol at the way he slapped Manfredo, BS stoppage.
fuckooo 6 days ago
@fuckooo Manfredo didn't throw one punch on three of the four ropes LOOOL!
sw1000xg 6 days ago
@sw1000xg That is whats called a home town stoppage!
ghostpen8 6 days ago
@ghostpen8 Americans affraid to fight him looool!
sw1000xg 6 days ago
@sw1000xg He was a home town fighter with an inflated record. This mediocre ordinary joe soap will never be remembered as anything other than that!
ghostpen8 5 days ago
Lol Joe Calslappy
Rapid8Fire 6 days ago
When he made the leap to the top level he was completely outclassed, and this would have been Calzaghe's fate had he fought Hopkins and Jones in their prime. 99% of Calzaghe's record is against lesser opposition. He reigned over a division whose second best fighter was Mikkel Kessler! He has the embellished record of a home town fighter against lesser opposition and the names of 2 faded legends! He will never be consider an all time great never!!
ghostpen8 1 week ago
Why should calzaghe go to America right. Lets look at some of the top Boxers who fight in America at the moment Sergio Martinez, Manny Pacquio, Miguel Cotto and Marquez. Hold on there not American! Lets draw a parell with the career of Ricky Hatton who went to fight in America in order to get Fights against the top fighters in their prime Pacquio and Mayweather, but first he had to fight against the top contenders in order to get the big fights!
ghostpen8 1 week ago
There is Mikkel Kessler who was comprehensively outclassed by Andre Ward who Calzaghe wanted none of. Jeff Lacey came with a big reputation but was proven to be a limited fighter. Calzaghe fans will swear that he was amazing until Calzaghe beat him! Then as they become more desperate they will claim Chris Eubank was a legend to pad his fragile record. Who else maybe Robin Reed?! But poor calzaghe everyone he should have fought was either too scared, would not travel or not enough money!
ghostpen8 1 week ago
For a moment lets forget about him ending his career against the undeniably Roy "SHOT" Jones who still was able to drop Calzaghe with his power. Jones is his prime would have stopped Calzaghe. Then there is his split decision win over"OLD" Hopkins who deserved a rematch. Calzaghe would have been comprehensively outclassed by a prime Bernard Hopkins. His legacy is built upon a home town record against lesser opposition, and his victories over 2 faded ring legends!
ghostpen8 1 week ago
Do you even know the definition of sarcasm? Read my comment again moron I wasn't pointing out the fact that he fought in America, I was pointing out the bit that you said manny fought weak opposition and 2 faded legends
evanruss96 1 week ago
@evanruss96 I was talking about calzaghe you dumb cunt. Smoking crack does diminish your comprehension level.
ghostpen8 1 week ago
calzaghe is a great fighter beat everyone in his era he lost his power towards the end of his career because of a lot of hand injuries, if u want to see his power look at his prime against lacy and eubank
kinchyboi92 1 week ago
Everybody talks smack on calzaghes "slaps" why don't y'all make fun of the ones who lost against his "slaps"
Berman2012 1 week ago
Fearless warrior nonstop speed n stamina always moved forward n threw combinations
Berman2012 1 week ago
He does have power. I watched all of his fights live there or on tv and there is a lot of power there
JAWZ131 1 week ago
He's got no power at all, sorry.
Bulwark1911 1 week ago
Not impressed. And he only seems fast but that's because he only pulls his punches back halfway before he throws again. This makes him look like he' slap-boxing. Poor Brits. But don't worry we got some1 like that too: Floyd mayweather.
MrJuancastrotorres 1 week ago
@MrJuancastrotorres lol some people just have no clue what there talking about
cpaignboxing 1 week ago
@Ghostpen8
Are you blind? Your saying manny fought weak oppositions?
Cotto, margarito, marquez, barrera and hatton etc your saying they're weak? seriously?
evanruss96 1 week ago
@evanruss96 You really missed the point moron, as it was a point of sarcasm to demonstrate the need of fighting in America against top opposition to secure your legacy!
ghostpen8 1 week ago
Joe calzaghe greatest slaps
farcry2isthebest 1 week ago
Then as they become more and more desperate they will begin to talk Chris Eubank up as a legend to try and pad his record! They will cry that everybody that he should have fought was afraid of him, not enough money and would not travel. Manny Pacquio would be where he is today if he fought in the Phillipines right! His has an unblemished winning record against lesser opposition. His record is built of 99% lesser opposition and 2 faded legends!
ghostpen8 1 week ago
@ghostpen8 99%? umm morales, barrera, marquez, mosley, de la hoya, cotto, margarito, clottey, and now coming up bradley.
homicidalmonkeyz 1 week ago
@homicidalmonkeyz Read the comment again as it was a point of sarcasm. Ask your mom what that word means
ghostpen8 1 week ago
@ghostpen8 how often do YOU have 2 wipe that shit of ur chin
calzagheking 1 week ago
Lets forget for a moment about his questionable split decision victory over "OLD" Bernard Hopkins who deserved a rematch!, and ending his career against Roy "SHOT" Jones. All he has is an embellished home town record against lesser opposition chosen for him by Frank Warren. There is Mikkel Kessler, and Jeff Lacey, the same Kessler comprehensively outclasses by Ward whom calzaghe decided not to Fight. Jeff lacey was an average boxer so calzaghe fans claim he was amazing until Calzaghe fought him!
ghostpen8 1 week ago
CALZAGHE ERA MUY RAPIDO DE MANOS SI, PERO ERA UN BOXEADOR SUCIO, MAÑOSO, ENRREDADO, HACIA PELEAS DESORDENADAS, POCO VISTOSAS, PELEAS POCO APRESIABLES Y FEAS EN POCAS PALABRAS ABURRIDAS (n)
91Yr 2 weeks ago
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ghostpen8 2 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 No Danny Williams did not destroy Roy 'shot' Jones he beat Mike Tyson lol not the brightest you ROFLMFAO
MrConnolly25 2 weeks ago
@MrConnolly25 Your guys legacy is rubbish!
ghostpen8 2 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 Fact is Jones and Hopkins didn't want to fight Joe because they had no chance! The facts are in the NONE fights they had with him! Until they needed the money! i.e. Tyson Vs Lewis!
sw1000xg 1 week ago
@sw1000xg Roy "SHOT" Jones dropped calzaghe, and OLD Hopkins lost via split decision. Both Would have destroyed Calzaghe in their prime.
ghostpen8 1 week ago
@ghostpen8 "in their prime" You do realise that there is only a three year difference between Calzaghe and Jones, right?
TheMistWalkar 1 week ago
@TheMistWalkar Jones is Shot and that's a fact. Getting knocked out left right and centre.
ghostpen8 6 days ago
@ghostpen8 So why didn't they fight him? Say around the year 2000? Yeah because he was undefeated and they wouldn't have stood a chance!
sw1000xg 1 week ago
@sw1000xg Read my comments in full. Joe Calzaghe has the embellished legacy of a home town figter and 2 faded legends. Roy "SHOT" Jones who still dropped joe, and a split descesion over "OLD" Hopkins who deserved a rematch. He didn't want to fight then in their prime cause he would have lost. His legacy is fully of holes. If Mikkel Kessler and OLD Hopkins were your hardest fights you are not a legend!
ghostpen8 6 days ago
@ghostpen8 No they didn't want to fight him because it's easy to fight someone they know they can beat. Other than fight someone who they have no idea if they would beat them or not! They still ran from Joe! Joe didn't duck anyone, they still didn't want to fight him so how are they any better? There not there chickens! Joe retired undefeated they did not!
sw1000xg 6 days ago
@sw1000xg They have secured their legacies whereas calzaghes is rubbish!
ghostpen8 6 days ago
@ghostpen8 Retired undefeated that's better than those rubbish yanks!
sw1000xg 6 days ago
@sw1000xg Please dude. You europeans hang on to Cal-fag-he like he was so great. His 46-0 record don't mean shit. Had he fought the best during their prime & lost he would be more respected. Look at Hatton. We Americans love him because he fought the best & lost but at least he didn't duck anyone or wait til they was too old. Cal-fag-he was too protected, didn't want to leave home, & too concerned with that WBOgus belt. No matter what you think the money & top opposition was in America.
MackDaddyCoolC 5 days ago
@MackDaddyCoolC And Cal-fag-he didn't want to go there til it was too late in his career. He could have fought B-Hop, Jones (while in their prime) Winky Wright, Froch, Glen Johnson ( Whom he ducked numerous times), Tarver, etc.. He slated Tarver for KOing a washed up Roy Jones then took credit for beating an even more wash up Roy. Cal-fag-he was a joke. He went from his career defining fight against an over-hyped Lacy to fighting a guy from a tv reality series in Manfredo. WTF was that?
MackDaddyCoolC 5 days ago
@MackDaddyCoolC Americans are know for running i.e. From Lennox Lewis LOOOOOL!!! If in doubt RUN! Calzaghe retired UNDEFEATED! Jones and Hopkins would rather fight people they know they can beat other than take a chance on an undefeated fighter and get whooped!
And over hyped Lacey? YEAH AMERICAN!
sw1000xg 3 days ago
@sw1000xg Only Bowe ran from Lennox. Lennox was another british bum fighter. As was Chris Eubank, Naseem Hamed, Frank Bruno, Henry Cooper, Gary Mason, & your friend Cal-fag-he. He NEVER fought top opposition during their prime. Oh wait, he fought Mario Veit twice, Peter Manfredo, a washed up list of over the hill fighters, He ran from Carl Froch, Antonio Tarver, Glencoffe Johnson, Winky Wright, Bernard Hopkins & Roy Jones during their prime. Joe was a bum & will always be remembered as one.
MackDaddyCoolC 3 days ago
@MackDaddyCoolC So Tyson ran from Lewis, Holyfield ran from Lewis until too late, Bowe ran from Lewis, every SINGLE American ran from Lewis. The same for Calzaghe EVERYONE ran from so why did none of the greats fight those two? We;; surely they all can't be affraid, surely they would want to prove themselves? Just keep fighting on the circuit and beating nobodys so morons like you can rave about them when all they did was RUN HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
sw1000xg 3 days ago
@sw1000xg Nobody wanted to fight Calzaghe because he was a non-factor. He was at super middleweight which was a dead nothing division, he only ever fought against C level shitty eurobums in his hometown in the UK, he'd have fights that would play on Showtime where he'd say "I'm coming to america next year, I'm moving up in weight!", but he never did.
He pulled out of 3 fights with Glen Johnson, one time just a week before the fight. He was fuckin terrified, a little euro coward.
pearcemark2 3 days ago
@pearcemark2 hopkins dodge him in the 90s you dumb american fag
gg8818 2 days ago
@gg8818 Typical uninformed Calslappy fan.
I want you to go ahead and pinpoint the exact time they were possibly going to fight and why it didn't happen. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't in the 90s at all.
pearcemark2 2 days ago
@pearcemark2 They didn't fight him because they WHERE SCARED not fighting him PROVED it! They ran and ran and ran and ran until there careers where over! And had NOTHING to lose which they did LOOOOL!
sw1000xg 2 days ago
@sw1000xg hahahah you retard, you failed to follow the most basic instructions
Allow me to inform you, retard: In 2002, Hopkins was negotiating with Showtime about possibly signing with them for a 3 fight, 10 million dollar deal. The fights would be Hakkar, Harry Simon, and Calzaghe.
Hopkins at that time was chasing a rematch with Trinidad or Roy Jones, or a megafight with Shane Mosley or Oscar De La Hoya. You know, All Time Great Hall of Famers with a huge name, not some eurobum
pearcemark2 2 days ago
@sw1000xg You know where Calzaghe was? Hiding in europe fighting ABSOLUTE FUCKING BUMS once or twice a year, and he had absolutely no name value, not even in Wales. Nobody knew who the cocksucker was.
And he had the nerve to insist that Roy or B-Hop fly to Wales to fight him at Millennium Stadium super middleweight, where he would receive the entire gate, when he only held a WBOgus fake title that meant nothing and they were the top P4P fighters on the planet.
Complete joke.
pearcemark2 2 days ago
@sw1000xg You know what happened instead? Calslappy fought Mger Mkrtchyan and Kabary Salem and Mario Veit and other nameless bums ranked #30 and below for little money.
Hopkins fought the #2 ranked middleweight William Joppy, and he made $15 million when he put together the megafight with De La Hoya.
Joe was a coward, he hid and fought bums his whole career, and he was only willing to come to america when HBO FORCED him to, and he only did it against 43 year old men.
Fraud.
pearcemark2 2 days ago
@pearcemark2 Everyone who knows Jones and Hopkins RAN! Simple you can't deal with it so you make up excuses! Everyone in the boxing industry knows they didn't want to fight an undefeated fighter! They chased people they KNEW they could beat nothing more!
sw1000xg 2 days ago
@sw1000xg HAHHAHAAHA
It's so hilarious, you just yell some dumb "DURRR DEY RAN!!!" doofus shit, I break down to you exact timeframes and negotiations and explain in clear times PRECISELY why the fights never happened, displaying with great detail how it is entirely Calslappy's fault it never came together
and all of those facts bounce off your thick neanderthal skull and you ignore it and just again repeat "DURRR NO DEY RAN DURR"
They truly don't make them any dumber.
pearcemark2 2 days ago
@pearcemark2 Joe 46-0 hmmmm Wonder why Jones and Hopkins didn't fight him sooner? Scared? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!
sw1000xg 2 days ago
@sw1000xg Because Calzaghe was never even in the running as an opponent for either of them
he was never a legitimate consideration because he hid in the UK and nobody knew who he was
If you tube his pre-fight package against Evans Ashira, there are his own Welsh friends in Wales telling the camera "Nobody knows who he is"
Do me a favor: Explain why Joe pulled out of 3 fights with Glen Johnson.
Explain why Joe ducked Clinton Woods, Tarver, Pavlik, Dawson, Froch, etc.
pearcemark2 2 days ago
@pearcemark2 Hmmm Hopkins fights Howard Eastman HMMMM why do that he was a bum so why pick Eastman instead of Joe? Affraid?
sw1000xg 2 days ago
@sw1000xg Eastman wasn't a bum. He had a record of 40-1, that loss being by Majority Decision to William Joppy in Las Vegas. Many brits didn't like that decision and felt Eastman won, so you could argue he should've been undefeated. Eastman also had a higher profile than Joe in america since he had the balls to come to the US and fight the best prime strong fighters which raised his profile, which Joe didn't do.
Also, Eastman was the mandatory challenger. B-Hop HAD to fight him
pearcemark2 2 days ago
@sw1000xg Yeah, Hopkins is really known for running from undefeated fighters.
8-0 Percy Harris
21-0 Roy Jones
14-0 Roy Ritchie
25-0 Joe Lipsey
32-0 Glen Johnson
40-0 All Time Great Hall of Famer Felix Trinidad
23-0 Jermain Taylor
He sure did shy away from undefeated fighters, huh? LOL
Lacy is a nobody. Where does you honestly rank him in the grand scheme of things? Do you go "man Jeff Lacy, that guy's legendary, he was an amazing champion"? No, he was simply a prospect
pearcemark2 3 days ago
@ghostpen8 ha ha worlds worst typo
natchrdanhar 2 weeks ago
Calzaghe was good he ruined jeff Lacey I mean he slapped him shitless for 12 rounds ruined him man
TheKongtutt 2 weeks ago
Calzaghe = overrated big clown
garfieldlambda 2 weeks ago
whats so great about this dude? i dont understand...
zinowor 2 weeks ago
@zinowor you bum...whats so great....46 fights no losses...thats whats up here....say no more you bum
calzagheking 2 weeks ago
@calzagheking whats with that attitude? i just asked a normal question, i didnt know the guy was undefeated. all i knew was that he beat two old legends, far past their prime and it looked like everyone took this super serious. thats why i had to ask...
zinowor 2 weeks ago
@zinowor he was a world champion for more than a decade.
Brushles83 2 weeks ago
@Brushles83 I see, well...undefeated, world champ for over a decade. thats pretty impressive although i think he has a really ugly style.
zinowor 2 weeks ago
@zinowor There is nothing great about ordinary Joe Soap Calzaghe. He fought 44 times in home town fights wrapped in cotton wool by his then promoter Frank Warren! He hid at super middleweight nestled between middle and light heavy. He ended his career against Roy "shot" jones, would not give old Hopkins a rematch. Was it coincidence that he moved out of super middleweight at the same time Andre Ward started to show prominence. He was world level but no all time great and i think that is fair!
ghostpen8 2 weeks ago
Joe Calzaghe was a better boxer than Roy glass chin Jones, B-Flop or the over hyped Jeff Lacy.
hawkermustang 2 weeks ago
Angry Americans these haters couldnt name single active European fighter they admire :(
natchrdanhar 3 weeks ago
I notice there is no Jeffy Lacy in this video, All you haters fail to mention that Joe destroyed Lacy physically and mentally, its easy for you to say Lacy was overrated now, but after that fight he went on to a close match with Jermaine Taylor, so go ahead and pick and choose the bits you dont like, not everyone is mike tyson with there power, ask Jeff lacy about those slaps, he called him a slapper by the end of the fight he was a bloody mess and had been knocked down.
natchrdanhar 3 weeks ago
@natchrdanhar Jeff lacy is complete and utter garbage. He lost every single fight he with any above average fighter. Close fight with Taylor? He lost by 10 points on every judges scorecards it was an ass whopping. Lacy is complete garbage!!!
cpaignboxing 3 weeks ago
@cpaignboxing I guess my point is that no-one knew he was a bum. And its easy to be a captain hindsight, and besides that the idea that B-Hop was washed up its completely ridiculous look at him he is Champion FFS, about a year ago he could still beat any active Light Heavy, so he must have full credit for that win, but its not about that its about finding something to knock Eurotrash as he is commonly referred to, We see it all the time on thousands of posts just like these
natchrdanhar 3 weeks ago
@natchrdanhar dude how can a 43 year old hopkins not be washed up? It is not physically possible for hopkins to be the same fighter he was in his prime. So if beating 43 year old hopkins is such a huge accomplishment what does that make jermain taylor? A complete legend because he beat a 40 year old hopkins twice. Calzaghe never fought anybody. So let me guess RJJ wasn't washed up either right? Get off Calzaghes nuts he was a average fighter at best and fought no one
cpaignboxing 3 weeks ago
@cpaignboxing Well he is 47 now and the number 1 light heayweight, so how can he be washed up? age means nothing, hopkins is a spoiler that's how he fights, unlike Roy his skill base is not built on athletic ability, I will not except the Hopkins is washed up, I am well aware Roy was Washed up im not blind, I just get fed up of non Europeans mocking every single European fighter its pathetic USA no longer dominates boxing get over it. Joe was 36 when they fought that ain't young.
natchrdanhar 3 weeks ago
@natchrdanhar so what did that make OLD Hopkins?? There are plenty of Europeans who think Calzgahe legacy is full of holes!
ghostpen8 2 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 Yes there are I know a few there called Danes lol, no but seriously some of my friends are not big fans, but 90% of the people on here being negative about him would have the opposite opinion if he was American, Nearly every boxing legend has holes in there legacy and its objective and based on personal opinion, I could sit here and point out faults with Marciano and Tyson’s legacy’s just as easily buts that’s also objective.
natchrdanhar 2 weeks ago
MrLukedanger 3 weeks ago
@MrLukedanger lol wow look at your own list. Then know you can take Eubank, hopkins and rjj off that list because no one in there right mind would consider those wins as anything special. Now lets look at jeff lacy and kessler the other 2 biggest names on that list (which in itself is pathetic). Lacy has lost every big fight he has ever been in. Kessler was completely dominated and stopped by ward. What champion at the top of there game did he fight? NONE!!!!
cpaignboxing 3 weeks ago
@cpaignboxing jones is still fighting now and hopkins is dominating now every fighter at LHW wants to beat hopkins, lacy was a great fighter, after calzaghe he was never the same and kessler was better when kalzaghe beat him, (6 years ago) of it matters so much go start boxing yourself and get a better SMW record than calzaghe and win the same tittle when you realise you can, SHUT THE FUCK UP ;] XXOXOXX
MrLukedanger 3 weeks ago
@MrLukedanger Lacy was a great fighter? Jones still fighting? HHAHAHAHAHAHA no need to respond to someone who knows so little about boxing
cpaignboxing 3 weeks ago
@MrLukedanger hopkins is a bum and always was and always will be
calzagheking 2 weeks ago
@cpaignboxing Ward didnt stop Kessler ward was winning on points, but he never stopped him, Kessler has never been knocked down, it was caused by a cut, caused by one of many headbuts, Technical Decision don’t post things that are not true.
natchrdanhar 2 weeks ago
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@natchrdanhar Also forgot to mention that it was wards home town, with all local officials, something that was hotly contested before the fight. Ward is Number 1 no doubt one of my favs and has personality of gold, but a lot of people were upset about the home town thing.
natchrdanhar 2 weeks ago
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natchrdanhar 2 weeks ago
@cpaignboxing how can u say hopkins was washed up when he destroyed kelly pavlik after the joe fight..or maybe pavlik wasnt that good!!!
calzagheking 2 weeks ago
@jacktheking45 well frank warren carefully put selected fighters in front of him. Roy jones was shot and prior to calzaghe he was knocked and was knocked out after. He finished his career against a shot fighter.
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@chaseybears The slappy fan club ha!
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@hunt3rxwl Ha we are exactly the guys he did fight in order to retire undefeated, boxing's greatest fraud! Slappy
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
he fought and beat everyone there was in front of him, he didnt duck anyone and is a legend, simple!!!
wat28er 3 weeks ago
@wat28er this guy is no legend and all you need to do is examine his bullshit legacy.
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
Joe Calzaghe hid at Super middle weight, whoSE second best fighter was Mikkel Kessler ha! Nicely located between middle and light heavy. Frank Warren wrapped him in cotton wool with 44 home town fights! He barely beat Old Bernard Hopkins, and would not give him a rematch. He ended his career against a shot Roy Jones. His unbeaten record belies the lack of quality opponents. Legacy full of holes boxing greatest fraud!
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 agreed i had hopkins winning that fight 116-111
1cwa 3 weeks ago
Calzaghe had only 22 fights in wales not his 44 your talking about, I suppose Andre Ward is hiding at Super middle Weight ? he was Champ for a long time the champ usually fights at home, please check the home town fight records for American stars before you point the finger.
natchrdanhar 2 weeks ago
@natchrdanhar Semantics oh how clever you are. So when he fought lacey in Manchester was that a neutral venue!
When the super middleweight division saw new talent Joe was gone! Roy "shot" jones was his last fight!
ghostpen8 2 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 What's the venue got to do with it? Roy Jones lol the man who accepts he avoided fighting Colloins & a past it Eubank who Joe happened to outclass! What new talent you talking about? as you failed misrably to mention even a single name
MrConnolly25 2 weeks ago
@MrConnolly25 Fact he fought a pathetic Roy "shot" Jones to end his glorious career, you agree? He had a career of home town fights with Frank Warren choosing opponents for him! Manfredo was a home town stoppage. Super 6 winner Andre Ward who easily beat one of Joe Calzaghe toughest opponents kessler! He fought 2 faded stars at Light heavy. This guys legacy is in tatters!
ghostpen8 2 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 He never fough 2 faded stars so quit shit talking.Jones was past it Hopkins has won a world title since.He fought where he wanted i don't remember when Jones,Hopkins or Ward had a fight outside their home country do you? Ward beating Kessler means nothing styles make fights period.In 08 when Calzaghe beat Hopkins & Jones Ward was fighting Ravelo,Camou= nobodies.The world doesn't end outside of America lol learn to master your subject b4 spouting shit.Lesson over!
MrConnolly25 2 weeks ago
@MrConnolly25 You just claimed that Ward beating kessler means nothing! Ward destroyed kessler calzaghe toughest opponent. He was wrapped in cotton wool by Frank Warren who carefully selected his opponents. He would not give OLD Hopkins a rematch!
You think Manny Pacquio would be where he is today fighting in the Phillipinnes! Legacy is filled with holes!
ghostpen8 2 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 You too stupid to deal with lol just because fighter1 beats fighter2 it doesn't mean fighter1 beats fighter3 because fighter2 had already beaten fighter3 boxing just doesn't work like that.
MrConnolly25 2 weeks ago
@MrConnolly25 and collins was meant 2 fight joe but he retired..i wonder why..? so joe fought eubank...it is bitter americans slamming him..i know he didnt fight all class fighters but he did fight some crackers..not all boxers fight all good fighters anyway..i can remember jones defending his titles against some1 called kelly..behind the bk punch ko..the punch wouldnt have hurt anyone..and that was when jones was in his prime...lol..and on steroids
calzagheking 1 week ago
@calzagheking Im no Collins fan but Collins vs Jones was a legit fight which Jones decided to sidestep,Collins spent years calling him out when Collins was a champion Jones said no end of.Collins collapsed in training for Calzaghe the doctors told him any blows to his head could result in death.
MrConnolly25 1 week ago
@natchrdanhar i know m8 they say u have 2 go 2 america 2 make a name 4 urself..the reason 4 that is the champs in america wont leave their own country...joe was a big enough fighter for hopkins and jones 2 come over and fight in the uk as it would have 60 or 70 thousand watching in the stadium and the millions of fans watching around the world..sorry duffer..lol..i wonder how many times hopkins or jones fought off home soil?
calzagheking 1 week ago
@pearcemark2 joe calzaghe retired undefeated champion of the world and remains on of the best fighters ever, so fuck off
BR34NY 3 weeks ago
@BR34NY WOW simple as that! This guy's inflated record will not protect his legacy. Full of holes!
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
RED23UK may be Joe Calzaghe incognito so go easy on him!
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 nah, just someone that knows about boxing unlike you.
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
This guy is no all time Great. His unbeaten record belies the lack of quality opponents. Wrapped in Cotton wool by frank warren, see the disgraceful hometown stoppage against Manfredo. Would not give Hopkins a rematch. What about ending your great career against a washed out Jones! Champion of a very weak super middleweight hidden between light heavy and middleweight. Ordinary Joe slappy soap!
ghostpen8 1 month ago
@ghostpen8 i've already proved you no shit about boxing, now fuck off you pathetic yank.
Red23UK 1 month ago
@Red23UK That's how you try and defend your hero with all the holes in his legacy. I'm not American and vast majority of people have a similar view on this guy! What other American fighters did he beat. surely more than 4!!
ghostpen8 1 month ago
@ghostpen8 i just listed 15, and with Hopkins that's 16.. are you a retard or something?!
Red23UK 1 month ago
@Red23UK Your think those names make him a legend. TOOL!
ghostpen8 1 month ago
@ghostpen8 now you're just sounding like a whining bitch.
Red23UK 4 weeks ago
@Red23UK Your the one that can't back your argument up. You think those names makes this guy a legend ha! You smoking industrial strength crack!
ghostpen8 4 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 i'm not going to win with an idiot like you, no one ever will. you'll always be a whining little loser.
Red23UK 4 weeks ago
@Red23UK I have made my argument succinctly. This is a common held view over joe Calzaghe's inflated unbeaten record. Your the one crying that everybody thinks your hero is a charlatan. You have failed terribly in trying to prove Joe Calzaghe to be a boxing all time great.
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 your "argument" made you look like an idiot. first you got it wrong about Hopkins' age, then you thought Joe had only beaten two Americans yet i listed 16, 16!!!!. you cried about Manfredo Jnr losing to Joe yet Manfredo Jnr is a pussy about almost every fight he lost! face it, you are coming across as a little bitch that knows fuck all about boxing!
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK The point in regards to Hopkins was his is well past his prime due to his age being a major handicap. You obviously have no comprehension of sarcasm! Its rhetorical and there is a thing called a dictionary to find the meaning of words that you don't understand.
Decision against manfredo was a home town stoppage. Your opinion on manfredo is well received as it epitomized the quality of the opponents your hero faced.
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 i know what sarcasm is, what you used is "bullshit". you said he was 46 and that meant he was passed his prime? no, i'm not buying it, you were wrong (again) and now you're simply backtracking. and like i said before, and i'll try again.. once a boxer is deemed unable to defend himself the referee will stop the fight. that was Manfredo Jnr wasn't it? well?!
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK You don't have a clue! Look calzaghe is no all time great that's a fact! Like you said Manfredo was a 'fucking pussy about almost every fight he lost'. That is the caliber of opponent Joe Calzaghe fought against. He was defending himself and was not hurt by the slaps. It was a home town stoppage.
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 you are a stupid deluded fool. answer me this you idiot: who should Joe have fought that you'd be happy with?!! answer NO-ONE!! he's beaten the best they had to offer yet you still say he's not good! odd how Calzaghe is listed in the top ten best super middleweights of all time again and again. another fact that you're bound to ignore!
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK dude how many brits has floyd mayweather beat? how many brits has mike tyson beat? how many brits has james toney beat?
bill23138 3 weeks ago
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Red23UK 3 weeks ago
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@bill23138 listen you idiot, and listen good.. some dumb fuck said Joe had only beaten two Americans and i corrected him. don't turn this into some off topic thing you retard. but since you asked, Floyd Mayweather Jnr had beaten one Brit, Tyson had beaten three (although he beat Bruno twice), James Toney has not beaten any Brits you cunt.
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK You have diminished comprehension as it was 2 fighters of note. You listed 16 guys that you reckon were top level fighters TOOL!
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK No you need to read my comments more carefully. I believe Joe Calzaghe was world level but he is no all time great. Supper middleweight was conveniently located between light heavy, and middle weight and was lacking in talent. Mikkel Kessler is one of the best super middleweight shows the dept of the talent there! Roy jones when he was not shot, Bernard Hopkins when he was not 42 even though he still warranted a rematch. He should have agreed to fight the winner of the super 6.
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
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@ghostpen8 type "best super middleweights of all time" into Google. do it and see just how wrong you are! LOL
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK Ok he should have moved out of a super middleweight division which lacked any real talent. Roy Jones in his prime but i know he would have to go to America to establish himself first! Old Hopkins deserved a rematch. Other names would be Toney, Tarver Jermaine Taylor, Chad Dawson, Andre Ward and Glen Johnston. instead he fought those 16 guys you listed!
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 Hopkins deserved a rematch?! jesus you watched a different fight didn't you?! as for Chad Dawson, he's more into wrestling isn't he? LOL .. not sure why the Andre Ward fight never took place. Jermain Taylor would have been interesting, however there was talk Taylor wasn't ready and also didn't want to travel to Wales. Antonio Tarver didn't get the fight because he was beaten by Hopkins. Glen Johnston was a shame, Joe was injured and couldn't fight.
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK Old Hopkins deserved a rematch as calzaghe only won a split decision! He finished his glorious career against the shot Roy Jones instead of Chad Dawson or Andre Ward. He needed to go to America to get fights against Taylor, Hopkins and Roy Jones in their prime, in order to build his profile. Instead he hid at super middleweight getting home town fights while wrapped in cotton wool against those 16 guys you mentioned. He didn't want Ward cause he wanted to protect his record.
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 this is the same old, decrepit Hopkins that's going to fight.. Dawson?! forgive me for sounding stupid here but you said Calzaghe was lame for fighting Hopkins at 43 but Dawson's fighting him at 47?! come on, you've got to admit it.. game over.
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK The Fighters i mentioned are those that Calzaghe needed to fight,however he would not have beaten them. What makes it worse is that he deliberately hid demanding all home town fights. He chose those 16 guys you mentioned. As you said of Manfredo he was a pussy that nearly lost all his fights, and that sums up the caliber of his opponents. He ended his career against a shot roy jones who was getting knocked out left right and center.
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK So you believe those 16 guys you listed makes your hero a legend, or maybe ending his glorious career against the decrepit and lame Roy Jones. He struggled to beat Old Hopkins, and would not give him a rematch. 44 home town fights wrapped in cotton wool by frank warren. Needed a home town stoppage against the pussy manfredo. What about his decision to stay in a mediocre super middleweight division of which Mikkel Kessler was second best
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 you're starting to repeat yourself and it's getting boring mate.
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK Sums up Calzaghe's legacy and you said it BORING! cause he choose to remain undefeated by fighting inferior opponents.
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK amir khans a bum compared to an american like floyd mayweather. amir is like the only good british boxer right now and hes not even on floyds level. British boxers suck you praise calzaghe who hid in whales till roy jones got out of his prime then he decided he would fight him
bill23138 3 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 i think the fight was stopped because there were 36 unanswered punches..manfredo is crap..but lets face u all thought lacy was going 2 duff him..it was the other way round..and what did hopkins do after joe beat he went on 2 win the lightheavy weight title and he destroyed kelly pavlik...so was hopkins past it or is just that the ppl he beat after the joe fight were crap
calzagheking 2 weeks ago
@calzagheking He was clearly not hurt as calzaghe wasn't a heavy puncher. It was a home town stoppage a malaise with boxing! Agree that Manfredo is crap and he was a typical calzaghe opponent, and that's why he remained undefeated! Why didn't he give old Hopkins a rematch? Yeah he beat lacy comprehensively but what did lacey achieved afterwards? What about his last fight against an obviously lame fighter. Why not retire against Andre Ward? Legacy fully of holes fact!
ghostpen8 2 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 if u dont throw back ur a pussy and u deserve 2 get stopped..if u go bk 10 yrs ago hopkins and jones priced themselves out of a fight with joe...joe did try 2 get fights with them long b4 he did fight them..and the reason lacy done nothing after the fight is cos joe destroyed whatever fight he had left in him..and ppl say he never fought of british soil...when did hopkins and jones fight outside america?
calzagheking 2 weeks ago
@calzagheking Home town stoppage. Visibly he wasn't hurt. I agree that he was a pussy, and that's why he was chosen to fight Joe. That's a rubbish logic both Taylor and Jones had impressive victories over lacy. If joe wanted to fight hopkins and jones in their prime he needed to go to America and establish himself, but he chose to remain undefeated by fighting hand picked opposition. This guys legacy is rubbish!!
ghostpen8 2 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 well said. Calzaghe fought no one and ducked b level fighters like thulini malinga
cpaignboxing 2 weeks ago
trust me, it's you that doesn't know what "sarcasm" means and you're proving it time and time again. here, i'll explain: saying someone is 46 when they are 43 is wrong. it cannot mean anything else, it is simply a mistake. no sarcasm and nothing rhetorical whatsoever. it was, put simply, you being wrong. and there you go about a home stoppage AGAIN! jesus get it through your thick skull, Manfredo Jnr could NOT DEFEND HIMSELF.
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 i don't have to prove it, just type "best super middleweights of all time" into Google and see how many times Calzaghe crops up! do it you stupid cunt, i'll fucking wait...
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
@ghostpen8 name someone he should have fought.
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK i should of asked how many have they fought lmao because all the best are from america there are hardly any british boxers toney hasnt even fought one because they all fuckin suck i bet u were crying when amir khan fought some real american fighters and got ktfo
bill23138 3 weeks ago
@bill23138 you honestly don't know shit about boxing and it's obvious. Amir Khan has lost to ONE American, and a very dodgy split decision at that. in fact Michael Welsh has pretty much gone into hiding after the fight (odd that). let's see how the rematch goes.
Red23UK 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK Just did those name would go a lot further than those 16 you listed!
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
@Red23UK You understand sarcasm obviously not need it explained to you.
ghostpen8 3 weeks ago
He beat a washed out shot Roy Jones who was getting knocked out left right and center by opponents. He won a split decision over a 46 year old Bernard Hopkins who deserved a rematch. Jeff Lacy proved to be over hyped. He is no great and that's a fact. He has an inflated record which is easy to pull apart!
ghostpen8 1 month ago
@ghostpen8 Hopkins was 43 when he fought Calzaghe you tool. face it, you don't know shit and are just gutted that the Brit beat so many Americans! LOL
Red23UK 1 month ago
@Red23UK Oh sorry he was a 43 year old spring chicken. He got a home town stoppage against Manfredo. What other Americans did he fucking beat. Frank Warren wrapped him in cotton wool all home town fights. Anyone who tries to argue that calzaghe is a great demonstrates their lack of boxing knowledge.
ghostpen8 1 month ago
@ghostpen8 Americans beaten by Calzaghe (other than Hopkins): Frank Minton, Robert Curry, Tyrone Jackson, Guy Stanford, Anthony Brooks, Pat Lawlor, Tyler Hughes, Omar Sheika, Will McIntyre, Charles Brewer, Tocker Pudwill, Byron Mitchell, Jeff Lacy, Peter Manfredo Jr., Roy Jones Jr. your boxing knowledge is fucking ZERO you idiot.
Red23UK 1 month ago
Hopkins got slapped up like he was calzahes poor suffering wife
jimmyhouse 1 month ago
@northernireland0000 that's funny you smoking industrial strength crack!
ghostpen8 1 month ago
Hopkins school'd calzage
ejbm918 1 month ago
@northernireland0000 But who did he beat that was the best from America?
kr4yzi32k 1 month ago
@northernireland0000 I'm American, I don't hate him :P
kr4yzi32k 1 month ago
that manfredo stoppage was so embarrassing for british boxing
retror0b0t 1 month ago
@retror0b0t why?!! Manfredo Jnr couldn't defend himself and was taking tons of hits to his head. would you have preferred Calzaghe to continue and brain damage him? don't you fucking know anything about boxing?!!
Red23UK 1 month ago
@Red23UK they weren't heavy shots and most weren't even landing. the referee even took one when he stepped in and he didn't react which shows the amount of danger manfredo was is. not that it matters of course because manfredo was just another shit name on calzaghe's shit resume.
retror0b0t 1 month ago
@retror0b0t you.. don't.. know.. shit.
Red23UK 1 month ago
@Red23UK convincing argument there. about as convincing as calzaghe's resume.
retror0b0t 1 month ago
@retror0b0t and your argument is saying the hits weren't landing! the only person that can answer that is Manfredo Jnr! face it, you're sounding like a right whiner! LOL
Red23UK 1 month ago