The tactic seen here is called the Tank Desant, Soviets riding their tanks as depicted here into battle (mainly due to lack of APCs at the time). Highly dangerous indeed.
This really isn't very realistic how the armour has been employed in this scenario. The tanks would form the spear head to punch through the lines. They would be moving a lot faster than this, not as infantry support!
bla-bla-bla.... Boys, to us never to learn truths about this war. Good Stalin or bad? I do not know. However, he has managed to organise the people for a great victory. My grandfather was the sergeant in a penal battalion, it is very terrible. It is very unpleasant, when many feeble-minded people who did not see this war, condemn us for all it. And we so do not have no your "thanks" that once again is proud of the ancestors who have put the lives against nazism. The Peace to you.
It's historically incorrect for using T34/85 tanks which entered service in 1943 about two years after stalingrad. I guess they didn't have any earlier models...
@PIZTETS You are major dumb ass if you knew anything about history you'd know that Stalin ordered for the "purge" and by purge I mean execute his own people. Thousands died. FYI Not every soldier was loyal to the douche-bag Hitler. So shove that up your ass. So learn your fricking history before you open your mouth
@Gugnir226 Hitler was the biggest asshole. At least Stalin had a kind of excuse (from a megalomaniac dictator's point of view) for the purge and sending certain people to gulags. but Hitler wanted to eliminate entire ethnic groups based on groundless beliefs.
Yeah well, the 4 (or 5?) guys this movie is about are<.<
I remember they got thrown into a Strafbattalion for not following orders, and where tasked with this to rehabilitate...suprisingly they succeeded, allowing them to return...
They are also seen in close quarter firefights in Stalingrad through the first half of the movie, doing not much pioneering...
Sturmpioneers where basically the frontline version of normal pioneers and recruited from normal pioneer battalions. Established agains the USSR, they where used to rush bunkers with explosives and mines, and also defeat tanks on close range, as seen here...
No, they didn´t use "Penal troops" as specialists...but when you have someone you want to dispose of or prove his worth, give him the most dangerous task...
So you put him in a battalion which has a pretty dangerous job.
And the 4 main protagonists have been sturmpioneers before being sent there...
He i am in the German Luftwaffe,...Now i got 2 more jeahrs.we ars supporting and protecting the German Heer and make some cityprotection too,i can send you some pictures if you want to from me , my , unit , my barracks and what we are ding , but not here on Youtube,.=)
Every country has an army, and failure to do your duty as a soldier can have a terrible outcome. You think that it was only the German soldiers that caused so much destruction?
I mean that Germans didn' t protect their country but they wanted to rule the europe. Paweł Włodkowic divided wars for fair and unfair that is fair were in the defence of own country and unfair wars were possesive that is so like e.g. the Second World War from the German side (and sorry for my english)
@Seler9 You have to admit, that Europe is more fucked up and degenerate now, then ever before. Hell, you wouldn´t even notice, that Russia won and Germany lost by the looks of those countries today.
@OkurkaBinLadin You don' t understand... I mean that Poland has protected their country and Germans were attackers... co ja Ci kurwa bede tłumaczył i tak nie zrozumiesz...
@sofuckinghard Every country have did war crimes and there is good and bad soldiers in every army. USA did War crimes in Vietnam War. Germany(Holocaust) and Soviet Union(Katyn massacre) did lot of war crimes in World War II. There is no right or wrong side in war. Soldiers in every army only did there duty for there country, defended homeland and followed leaders orders. Most of soldiers were only normal soldiers! If one evil soldier do war crime it’s don’t mean that every soldiers are bad.
is it ok to compare 21k war prisoners (katyn) with millions of civil? no one proved katyn as crime of ussr, but they paid over 27kk lifes for victory.
@sofuckinghard I only try to say that Most of german soldiers were only normal soldiers who did there duty for there country and followed orders like Soviet soldiers. Every country have did war crimes, also Soviet Union. Katyn massacre is only one crime(USSR murdered about 22,000 polish POWs). Hitler and Stalin were both mass murders. Stalin murdered about 20 000 000 Russians people . He killed more people than Hitler. USSR and Germans attacked together to Poland without any reason in 1939.
poland? poland was glad to capture part of czechoslovakia (1938-1939). so they aren't so innocent, as they always want to be.
germany was aggressor, ussr wasn't. ussr lost 27kk on east front - soldiers and civils. only east front from ussr side. where did you take info about less than 20kk?
your normal german soldiers burned alot of people in concentration camps. i think, it's shit and not "normal".
@sofuckinghard There is good and bad soldiers in every army. Of course Germany did war crimes and There was evil soldier also in Germany army but there was also normal soldiers who has nothing to do whit war crimes or Nazism. If some evil soldier did war crime it’s don’t mean that every soldiers was bad Nazi fascists. There was also good and bad soldiers in Red army and also USSR did war crimes. Stalin murdered about 20 000 000 Russians people and some Red army soldiers did Katyn massacre.
soldier became evil and bad, when he steps on foreign land. this is war crime. he'll kill people, who trys to defend his land.
i don't know what you cannot understand.
even more you're always repeating Katyn, but there were killed soldiers and officers. these people were ready to die, because this was their profession. on the other side we have german soldiers killing civils: children, women, olds; burning whole villages, hanging innocents for demoralization of others. wtf?
@sofuckinghard "soldier became evil and bad, when he steps on foreign land"? Actually soldiers followed only leaders orders. And how many time USSR have steps on foreign land. 1939 USSR attacked to Poland. In Winter War 39 USSR attacked in Finland and killed 25904 people, who trys to defend homeland(Finland was neutral and fought alone). Soviet Union failed to occupied Finland but over 957 Finn civilians die in air raids. USSR steps on foreign land so all 998100 USSR soldier became evil and bad?
yes, they became. but they fought against another soldiers. they didn't burn villages, deport local civils to death camps. even katyn became place of death for 21k soldiers. ussr was evil, but honest.
defeat in finland became reason of >900 blockade days in leningrad. ussr tried to deal with fins for exchanging some lands in tactical purposes. so this was forced conflict.
killing another man just, because he's living on his land = bad and evil?
@sofuckinghard First In Winter war USSR Partisan attacked to Finnish villages, kill Finn civilians and burn villages. And Stalin murdered about 20 000 000 Russians people in death camps. In Winter War Finland was neutral but overwhelming USSR attacked in Finland and stoled smalls countrys land. So we has same enemy whit Germany and when the time passed Finns attacked to USSR to take it's own land back. Finns did nothing to contribute to the battle for Leningrad and refused to bombing Leningrad.
ok. it's time to ask for evidence. how do you imagine russian "partisan" in finland? this is bullshit. do you understand meaning of "partisan"? name of death camps for finns.
finns took part in blocade of leningrad.
stalin was dictator, so it's ok for dictators to kill a lot of people.
@sofuckinghard bullshit? Wikipedia:Soviet partisans:Finland and Karelia: Soviet partisans operated in Finland and in Karelia where they also made atrocities against civilians a trademark of their way of operation. almost two thirds of the attacks targeted civilians, killing 200 and injuring 50, mostly women, children and elderly. There is also photo: "Two Finnish boys executed by Soviet partisans". Finnish forces halted several kilometers away leningrad at the old Soviet-Finnish border.
@sofuckinghard Sorry, it was Continuation War but USSR did crimes also in Winter war. I have also other evidence: lot of history magazines, but it is too difficult send to you and there is same fact in Wikipedia:Soviet partisans, so wikipedia will be enough to you. So Soviet partisans operated in Finland, burn villages and killing 200 and injuring 50, mostly women, children and elderly. More USSR war crimes in Wikipedia:Soviet war crimes.
please, stop writing nonsense about atrocities. 200 deads were just victims of war. it's usual for war. special russian sondercommando was sent to kill 200? stalin killed 20kk, but for finns he had special overcruel plan - 200 people!
finns are guilty for more than 1 million victims in leningrad. 1 million vs 200. wtf are talking about?
@sofuckinghard You think only number of dead? War crime is War crime. And I only reply to you. You said: " USSR didn't burn villages or kill civils", I reply: USSR Partisan attacked to Finnish villages".
USSR attacked in Finland first so Finns attacked to USSR to take it's own land back, Finnish forces halted several kilometers away leningrad at the old Soviet-Finnish border. Finns did nothing to contribute to the battle for Leningrad and refused to bombing Leningrad. German was guilty.
yes, number is important, very important. ussr didn't have any reason to burn villages, as german on occupied territories. yes, they killed civils, but without any special ideas, just because it was war around.
about leningrad, as you prefer wiki, so /wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad. first sentence "The Siege of Leningrad was a prolonged military operation by ... the Finnish Defence Forces". finns just blocked leningrad from north.
it's more than enough, no bombing necessary, people just died from hunger. 1 million died.
and don't forget finland was ally of germany. lll finns arco was given to german command. if you need exact number of finns divisions, which were on ussr territories, i can give you.
@sofuckinghard Ok. finland was ally of germany and it is USSRs fault. In Winter war 1939 Finland was neutral. USSR and Germans attacked together to Poland. Next overwhelming Soviet Union attacked in Finland in Winter War. United Kingdom try to help Finland but it was impossible and German has made Pact of no aggression whit USSR in 1939 so Finland fought alone.Soviet Union has: over 998,100 men, 6541 modern tanks + endless amount of shells. Finland has: 337,000 soldiers, only 32 crappy tanks.
@sofuckinghard USSR tried to make peace? All shit started when USSR attacked to neutral Finland but Finnish soldiers stopped them. In the end USSR "make peace". In this peace USSR stoled some Finlands land. That was reason why Finland allied whit germany and attacked to USSR to take it's own land back, we has same enemy whit Germany. Finnish forces only halted several kilometers away leningrad at the old Soviet-Finnish border. And why USSR didt evacuated civils out of Leningrad before battle?
yes, ussr tried. ussr made proposal to change some finn lands for ussr territory. finland didn't accept.
are you serious? evacuate? so why poland, france, etc didn't evacuated. sorry, but this is very stupid question. ussr lost a lot of territory with civils.
@sofuckinghard Finland didn't accept because USSR wanted very important land near finns capital and offer useless land middle of nowhere. And Finland didnt attacked against Leningrad or bombing Leningrad as germany. Finland only stoped to old Soviet-Finnish border and take own land back. It was impossible to send food because there was war between Finland and USSR. And USSR has also bombing Finns capital in winter war and all shit started when USSR attacked to Finland.
1. "middle of nowhere"? really? finland is placed where. part of territory was asked for rent.
2. ussr asked for territory near to capital, but easy bombed it. wtf? where is logic?
3. finn border was only in 18 km from 2nd city (culture capital) of ussr. anyway it was unacceptable for ussr. because world was in step from greatest war.
@sofuckinghard Yes. USSR wanted very important land near finns capital. Because Finland didn't accept USSR attacked to Finland and bombing Finns capital. And smal neutral country can't rent whatever land to superpower because world was in step from greatest war. And remember what happened to Estonia. Also Estonia was neutral. USSR asked territory, military bases and station 25,000 troops on Estonian soil. Estonia accepted. Next Soviet Union invaded Estonia. That was why Finland didn't accept.
ussr got what they want: finn border was moved for 150 km form leningrad, some of asked islands were taken. even more ussr gave back some territory, which was taken and used for defence during wwll.
but price became so big. of course you can calm yourself "Finland only stoped to old Soviet-Finnish", but price still is awful.
ussr got what they want: border was moved to 150 km, some asked islands were taken.
but price became terrible for every side. if finns're feeling ok just repeating "Finland only stoped to old Soviet-Finnish border". i'm happy for them.
ussr got what they want: border was moved to 150 km, some asked islands were taken.
but price became terrible for every side. if finns're feeling ok just repeating "Finland only stoped to old Soviet-Finnish border". i'm happy for them.
@sofuckinghard USSR failed to occupied Finland. But overwhelming USSR stoled some smalls Finlands land. USSR attacked to Finland so we has same enemy whit Germany and when the time passed Finland attacked to USSR to take it's own land back. The Germans helped because we had the same enemy. We weren't nazi sympathist, we just needed help to get our lands back. And why USSR didt evacuated civils out of Leningrad before battle?
@UrharRar Oh you are one of a really few people, who knows the truth. I hate people who say: "All german Soldiers were Nazis" or "All german Soldiers were Heroes". They just were poor guys into a bloody hell.
The German soldiers themselves were fighting for their country and their homeland. It was the leaders that were thinking of world domination and how Jews are bad and all that stuff. The higher ups were the bad guys not the poor foot soldiers. Those are T-34-85`s by the way!
@CordeliusBK and the igher ups dies --- recently ---- in homes for old people....wit an 2,6k euro rent a month....while hiwis are still on tribunal thats a fucking shame!
there is a say in turkey , being war prisoner in russia is so much worse than dying. an russian bullet kills immediately , camp in siberia kill so slowly
the nazis had good soldiers in the waffen SS and thier panzer units, but what they fought for was wrong and inexcusable. I have respect for German veterans, for they were humans like all of us, but in the end it was a good thing they lost.
not really the t-34 can reach 50 km/h but only under ideal conditions and firstly its cross land, secondly its snow an thirdly he supports infantry and don`t drive faster than they can ran and last but not least the crew of the t-34 to the time of stalingrad wasn`t very experience most crews didnt got a instruction how to drive a tank
i know the difference between a t34 and a matilda II but the russian did use t34 as an allround tank so it was firstly a battle tank and secondly because the russian didn`t had somethings like armored rifles or panzergrenadiere a infantry tank with tank riders like in this movie scene. the russians soldiers ride on the back of the tank to the battlefield and on the battlefield the t34 supports these infantryst
ps:if you have something against what i write you can say this in a more friendly way
1) unlike Brits , Russians have never classified their military vehicles as battle , infantry and etc. They had light , middle , heavy tanks , self-propelled guns , standard and special armored vehicles ...
2) thanks to anti-tank troops equipped with what you call armored rifles , Red Army was able to stop Germans near Moscow (1941) , Stalingrad (1942) and Kursk (1943)
3) usual offensive tactics is to let tanks go ahead , that is why infantry is behind
to 1) i have never said that they classified them in this way. i only said the used them in this way
to 2) yeah your are right but not as germans (panzergrenadiere) and the americans armored rifles(these are the americans panzergrenadiere) the russians didn`t drove in light armored troop transporters but on the back of a t34 thats why the name tank rider
to 3) yeah in rough it`s right an tank divisions lead the way through enemy positions but a tank divions has one brigade of infantry
I'm a little surprised to hear you reasoning that way. It's hard to imagine Nazi Germany as being the "protagonist" in any shape or form. After the millions of people they killed just in the name of racial and idealistic supremacy - how can you even think that way? My family alone lost 3 KIA/MIA - and why? Just because the Nazis thought the Slavic people were inferior. Lastly invasion of Europe by the pre-WWII USSR is a folk-tale, they did not have the equipment or the drive to make it happen.
My good friend, Falkunov do you have down syndrome or are you just plain stupid? All I got out of your post is that you are a complete idiot - not much else. It's really hard to be insulted by your words, because you did a very good job of making a complete fool of yourself. Lastly I am not from the US nor am I a fan of US war-movies. Here is a tip for the future: Actually read what people post first, then think before you write anything stupid. Cheers! ;)
Wow guys im really happy that i watched this youtube movie.This is THE first movie about german soldiers where nobody said:" FUCKING GERMAN NAZI SCUM ROBOTS!"
You must know im german and im used to be insulted in online games,forums,....
Thats annonying:-(I didnt do anything and i dont support it.
I could not help it - had to cheer for the Soviets. Found myself saying "C'mon run over the bastard with the magnetic-mine." I was curious to see a movie were the antagonist was the victor. Our boys got destroyed. :(
Wrong, the Film is about a group of combat enganeers. The used mines, and flamethrowers in an earlier battle (a famous assault on a soviet tractorfabrik)
Haha In mine "Niemiec" - German means mute. (person who cannot speak). It's because people of Slavic origin (Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and Czech's) could easily communicate during early middle ages but they couldn't understand Germans :).
The movie is not realistic but it successfully humanizes German soldiers in WWII who were always considered robots or even worse.. Beside that, well, can anybody name some non-propaganda, unbiased historical movies?
I think Saving privat Ryan was the first commercial movie that humanised german soldiers. Like it or not, before that movie we were victims of victor propaganda movies in the west. There have been a few movies that did not ridicule german soldiers as nazi robots before 2000, there has been a very good movie about a Hitler jugend squad among others. But don't forget that before 2000, even a hint that Germans might have been humane in those days would label you as a rascist and neonazi
This scene is not realistic. The t 34's would have attacked much faster and left the German Grenadiers behind. The single 88'er might have taken one or two tanks out, no more. The terrain is too open for those ill- armed Germans to succed in stopping an attack like this.
Yes, they did burn from molotov coctails in Hungary in 56. They burnt easily at least the survivors say that it was far too easy to ignite them this way.
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JeaneMarlauq738 2 weeks ago
More tanks will come later and finish them
NewSoviet507 2 weeks ago
moive stalingrad!:<3
vilma8989 9 months ago
Thank you for posting that!
TotalDeutschland 10 months ago
Так глупо русские не воевали. Обычно уничтожали сразу орудия, а потом в пехотой шли дальше.
Thesturmgever 10 months ago
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Menties1 10 months ago
These are not panzergrenadiers, they are sturmtruppen from the movie Stalingrad(1993)
GottesLegionXVII 11 months ago
If only Red Army fought to such an extent uncouthly as in this film they would have lost War already in 1942:D
Deimxneyron 11 months ago 2
the movie Stalingrad it a little boring if u ask me , so much depression and negativeti Stalingrad was fun, just ask any1.
nolifemerc 1 year ago
Но на кой ему крутиться над окопом? Ну какой идиот борта подставлет:?
Eliseev1979 1 year ago 4
that russian fall back and kill by the Tank!!!
That was Stalin says,"No One Step Back!"
gempakkl12 1 year ago
on 2:10 why did the russian tank kill the russian soldier.
mw2masterful 1 year ago
2:10 Fucking hilarious!
BoxFreind 1 year ago
The tactic seen here is called the Tank Desant, Soviets riding their tanks as depicted here into battle (mainly due to lack of APCs at the time). Highly dangerous indeed.
CyberWar666 1 year ago
great movie
ehooper66 1 year ago
Stalingrad-The Movie
kev1nsky 1 year ago
This really isn't very realistic how the armour has been employed in this scenario. The tanks would form the spear head to punch through the lines. They would be moving a lot faster than this, not as infantry support!
bizziemary 1 year ago
@bizziemary These are Russian tactics, not German or modern ones.
FFulmenTheFinnish 1 year ago
russian piss heads are only good for raping poor women as happened in former East Germany
anura3ds 1 year ago
That anti tank gun looks like a 50mm. Or is it a 75mm?
ThatsMrMoronToYou 1 year ago
bla-bla-bla.... Boys, to us never to learn truths about this war. Good Stalin or bad? I do not know. However, he has managed to organise the people for a great victory. My grandfather was the sergeant in a penal battalion, it is very terrible. It is very unpleasant, when many feeble-minded people who did not see this war, condemn us for all it. And we so do not have no your "thanks" that once again is proud of the ancestors who have put the lives against nazism. The Peace to you.
magvai1984 1 year ago
It's historically incorrect for using T34/85 tanks which entered service in 1943 about two years after stalingrad. I guess they didn't have any earlier models...
Tomi852 1 year ago
in WW2 nazi germans burnt alive thousands of people and only USSR stopped them and exempted Europe
long live russia and the USSR
PIZTETS 1 year ago
@PIZTETS You are major dumb ass if you knew anything about history you'd know that Stalin ordered for the "purge" and by purge I mean execute his own people. Thousands died. FYI Not every soldier was loyal to the douche-bag Hitler. So shove that up your ass. So learn your fricking history before you open your mouth
Gugnir226 1 year ago
@Gugnir226 Hitler was the biggest asshole. At least Stalin had a kind of excuse (from a megalomaniac dictator's point of view) for the purge and sending certain people to gulags. but Hitler wanted to eliminate entire ethnic groups based on groundless beliefs.
MakeNine42 1 year ago
@MakeNine42 Touche...
Gugnir226 1 year ago
X:D funny clip
narikization 1 year ago
Muy buena película, ya la ví hace tiempo, muy buena.........
lucianoestivill 1 year ago
2:35 Gute moment !!! So muss mit alle Deutsche machen (nazi) machen !!!
MrLGpaul 1 year ago
@MrLGpaul Deutsche Soldaten Heldentaten !!!
pzgren2212 1 year ago
mean sandberg and demanchuck (or what he is spelled)
jockelinho 1 year ago
wat movie is this
Dafroft 1 year ago
Stalingrad
Ragnar1001 1 year ago
They are Sturmpioneers, not Panzergrenadiers.
PGs for life
Panzergrenadiere! DRAN DRAUF DRÜBER!!
Chrinik 2 years ago 2
@Chrinik Actually no, those are penal troops ;-)
Just thrown together to do their time for violating military code.
OkurkaBinLadin 2 years ago
Yeah well, the 4 (or 5?) guys this movie is about are<.<
I remember they got thrown into a Strafbattalion for not following orders, and where tasked with this to rehabilitate...suprisingly they succeeded, allowing them to return...
Chrinik 2 years ago
I saw the movie too ;-) It´s quite popular over here.
I was merely confused, why you consider them Sturmpioneers, when they are basically prisoners at this point.
OkurkaBinLadin 2 years ago
Stands on the back of MY box...
They are also seen in close quarter firefights in Stalingrad through the first half of the movie, doing not much pioneering...
Sturmpioneers where basically the frontline version of normal pioneers and recruited from normal pioneer battalions. Established agains the USSR, they where used to rush bunkers with explosives and mines, and also defeat tanks on close range, as seen here...
Chrinik 2 years ago
@Chrinik Fine, fine. Didn´t know, that Wehrmacht used penal troops as specialists.
OkurkaBinLadin 2 years ago
No, they didn´t use "Penal troops" as specialists...but when you have someone you want to dispose of or prove his worth, give him the most dangerous task...
So you put him in a battalion which has a pretty dangerous job.
And the 4 main protagonists have been sturmpioneers before being sent there...
Chrinik 1 year ago
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coverdeciption 1 month ago
He i am in the German Luftwaffe,...Now i got 2 more jeahrs.we ars supporting and protecting the German Heer and make some cityprotection too,i can send you some pictures if you want to from me , my , unit , my barracks and what we are ding , but not here on Youtube,.=)
LuftwaffenHG 2 years ago
man,....i like your video and i know what the guys are thinking,..i am in the German Army too (Luftwaffe)
LuftwaffenHG 2 years ago
People would be inclined to think that. No offense intended.
CommanderLightning 2 years ago
And by the way, the German Army is called the Heer, they would be more inclined to think that you were in the German Air Force.
CommanderLightning 2 years ago
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2:27 Die fucken' nazi pig die !!
Suleimenoff 2 years ago
what are the things that german soldiers put on the t-34 tanks to blow them? if someone can explain it, please
actiont4 2 years ago 2
magnetic anti tank bombs
Nostro200 2 years ago
O_o there was a guy with a half body omg
WarPig971 2 years ago
Depressing poor German Soldiers who died for nothing, wasted lives for nothing, They were brave soldiers who died for they're country.
The saddest part is they died for Nazism, Depressing, wasted lives such a tragedy, May they Rest in peace
UrharRar 2 years ago 29
For their country?? For country and freedom fought Poland, Russia, France and some more countries.
Seler9 2 years ago
Every country has an army, and failure to do your duty as a soldier can have a terrible outcome. You think that it was only the German soldiers that caused so much destruction?
meah941 2 years ago
I mean that Germans didn' t protect their country but they wanted to rule the europe. Paweł Włodkowic divided wars for fair and unfair that is fair were in the defence of own country and unfair wars were possesive that is so like e.g. the Second World War from the German side (and sorry for my english)
Seler9 2 years ago
@Seler9 You have to admit, that Europe is more fucked up and degenerate now, then ever before. Hell, you wouldn´t even notice, that Russia won and Germany lost by the looks of those countries today.
That war helped nobody. In Europe anyway.
OkurkaBinLadin 2 years ago
@OkurkaBinLadin You don' t understand... I mean that Poland has protected their country and Germans were attackers... co ja Ci kurwa bede tłumaczył i tak nie zrozumiesz...
Seler9 2 years ago
@Seler9 rozumim, rozumim :)))
OkurkaBinLadin 2 years ago
@UrharRar lolwut? france? poland? russia? all these country were germans land?
your brave nazi solders burned a lot of villages with civils in ukraine, belorus, russia. so please don't call them brave.
sofuckinghard 1 year ago
@sofuckinghard Every country have did war crimes and there is good and bad soldiers in every army. USA did War crimes in Vietnam War. Germany(Holocaust) and Soviet Union(Katyn massacre) did lot of war crimes in World War II. There is no right or wrong side in war. Soldiers in every army only did there duty for there country, defended homeland and followed leaders orders. Most of soldiers were only normal soldiers! If one evil soldier do war crime it’s don’t mean that every soldiers are bad.
Menties1 10 months ago
@Menties1
is it ok to compare 21k war prisoners (katyn) with millions of civil? no one proved katyn as crime of ussr, but they paid over 27kk lifes for victory.
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@sofuckinghard I only try to say that Most of german soldiers were only normal soldiers who did there duty for there country and followed orders like Soviet soldiers. Every country have did war crimes, also Soviet Union. Katyn massacre is only one crime(USSR murdered about 22,000 polish POWs). Hitler and Stalin were both mass murders. Stalin murdered about 20 000 000 Russians people . He killed more people than Hitler. USSR and Germans attacked together to Poland without any reason in 1939.
Menties1 10 months ago
@Menties1
poland? poland was glad to capture part of czechoslovakia (1938-1939). so they aren't so innocent, as they always want to be.
germany was aggressor, ussr wasn't. ussr lost 27kk on east front - soldiers and civils. only east front from ussr side. where did you take info about less than 20kk?
your normal german soldiers burned alot of people in concentration camps. i think, it's shit and not "normal".
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@sofuckinghard There is good and bad soldiers in every army. Of course Germany did war crimes and There was evil soldier also in Germany army but there was also normal soldiers who has nothing to do whit war crimes or Nazism. If some evil soldier did war crime it’s don’t mean that every soldiers was bad Nazi fascists. There was also good and bad soldiers in Red army and also USSR did war crimes. Stalin murdered about 20 000 000 Russians people and some Red army soldiers did Katyn massacre.
Menties1 10 months ago
@Menties1
soldier became evil and bad, when he steps on foreign land. this is war crime. he'll kill people, who trys to defend his land.
i don't know what you cannot understand.
even more you're always repeating Katyn, but there were killed soldiers and officers. these people were ready to die, because this was their profession. on the other side we have german soldiers killing civils: children, women, olds; burning whole villages, hanging innocents for demoralization of others. wtf?
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@sofuckinghard "soldier became evil and bad, when he steps on foreign land"? Actually soldiers followed only leaders orders. And how many time USSR have steps on foreign land. 1939 USSR attacked to Poland. In Winter War 39 USSR attacked in Finland and killed 25904 people, who trys to defend homeland(Finland was neutral and fought alone). Soviet Union failed to occupied Finland but over 957 Finn civilians die in air raids. USSR steps on foreign land so all 998100 USSR soldier became evil and bad?
Menties1 10 months ago
@Menties1
yes, they became. but they fought against another soldiers. they didn't burn villages, deport local civils to death camps. even katyn became place of death for 21k soldiers. ussr was evil, but honest.
defeat in finland became reason of >900 blockade days in leningrad. ussr tried to deal with fins for exchanging some lands in tactical purposes. so this was forced conflict.
killing another man just, because he's living on his land = bad and evil?
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@sofuckinghard First In Winter war USSR Partisan attacked to Finnish villages, kill Finn civilians and burn villages. And Stalin murdered about 20 000 000 Russians people in death camps. In Winter War Finland was neutral but overwhelming USSR attacked in Finland and stoled smalls countrys land. So we has same enemy whit Germany and when the time passed Finns attacked to USSR to take it's own land back. Finns did nothing to contribute to the battle for Leningrad and refused to bombing Leningrad.
Menties1 10 months ago
@Menties1
ok. it's time to ask for evidence. how do you imagine russian "partisan" in finland? this is bullshit. do you understand meaning of "partisan"? name of death camps for finns.
finns took part in blocade of leningrad.
stalin was dictator, so it's ok for dictators to kill a lot of people.
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@sofuckinghard bullshit? Wikipedia:Soviet partisans:Finland and Karelia: Soviet partisans operated in Finland and in Karelia where they also made atrocities against civilians a trademark of their way of operation. almost two thirds of the attacks targeted civilians, killing 200 and injuring 50, mostly women, children and elderly. There is also photo: "Two Finnish boys executed by Soviet partisans". Finnish forces halted several kilometers away leningrad at the old Soviet-Finnish border.
Menties1 10 months ago
@Menties1
wiki? ok.
"30 November 1939 – 13 March 1940 - winter war."
"Soviet partisans operated in Finland and in Karelia from 1941-1944."
sooo. bullshit anyway.
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@sofuckinghard Sorry, it was Continuation War but USSR did crimes also in Winter war. I have also other evidence: lot of history magazines, but it is too difficult send to you and there is same fact in Wikipedia:Soviet partisans, so wikipedia will be enough to you. So Soviet partisans operated in Finland, burn villages and killing 200 and injuring 50, mostly women, children and elderly. More USSR war crimes in Wikipedia:Soviet war crimes.
Menties1 10 months ago
@Menties1
please, stop writing nonsense about atrocities. 200 deads were just victims of war. it's usual for war. special russian sondercommando was sent to kill 200? stalin killed 20kk, but for finns he had special overcruel plan - 200 people!
finns are guilty for more than 1 million victims in leningrad. 1 million vs 200. wtf are talking about?
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@sofuckinghard You think only number of dead? War crime is War crime. And I only reply to you. You said: " USSR didn't burn villages or kill civils", I reply: USSR Partisan attacked to Finnish villages".
USSR attacked in Finland first so Finns attacked to USSR to take it's own land back, Finnish forces halted several kilometers away leningrad at the old Soviet-Finnish border. Finns did nothing to contribute to the battle for Leningrad and refused to bombing Leningrad. German was guilty.
Menties1 10 months ago
@Menties1
yes, number is important, very important. ussr didn't have any reason to burn villages, as german on occupied territories. yes, they killed civils, but without any special ideas, just because it was war around.
about leningrad, as you prefer wiki, so /wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad. first sentence "The Siege of Leningrad was a prolonged military operation by ... the Finnish Defence Forces". finns just blocked leningrad from north.
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@Menties1
it's more than enough, no bombing necessary, people just died from hunger. 1 million died.
and don't forget finland was ally of germany. lll finns arco was given to german command. if you need exact number of finns divisions, which were on ussr territories, i can give you.
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@sofuckinghard Ok. finland was ally of germany and it is USSRs fault. In Winter war 1939 Finland was neutral. USSR and Germans attacked together to Poland. Next overwhelming Soviet Union attacked in Finland in Winter War. United Kingdom try to help Finland but it was impossible and German has made Pact of no aggression whit USSR in 1939 so Finland fought alone.Soviet Union has: over 998,100 men, 6541 modern tanks + endless amount of shells. Finland has: 337,000 soldiers, only 32 crappy tanks.
Menties1 10 months ago
@Menties1
thx. for your version of history. but it always easy to show 1 part and hide another part.
1. poland, as i told before, annexed part of czechoslovakia (1938-1939). small part, but with rich resources.
2. uk had pact of protection with poland, but uk just ignored this fact.
3. ussr had full rights to stay away from war as long as it was possible by any ways. as uk made before.
4. ussr tried to make peace deal with finland. fail was paid by more than 1 million lifes.
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@sofuckinghard USSR tried to make peace? All shit started when USSR attacked to neutral Finland but Finnish soldiers stopped them. In the end USSR "make peace". In this peace USSR stoled some Finlands land. That was reason why Finland allied whit germany and attacked to USSR to take it's own land back, we has same enemy whit Germany. Finnish forces only halted several kilometers away leningrad at the old Soviet-Finnish border. And why USSR didt evacuated civils out of Leningrad before battle?
Menties1 10 months ago
@Menties1
yes, ussr tried. ussr made proposal to change some finn lands for ussr territory. finland didn't accept.
are you serious? evacuate? so why poland, france, etc didn't evacuated. sorry, but this is very stupid question. ussr lost a lot of territory with civils.
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@sofuckinghard Finland didn't accept because USSR wanted very important land near finns capital and offer useless land middle of nowhere. And Finland didnt attacked against Leningrad or bombing Leningrad as germany. Finland only stoped to old Soviet-Finnish border and take own land back. It was impossible to send food because there was war between Finland and USSR. And USSR has also bombing Finns capital in winter war and all shit started when USSR attacked to Finland.
Menties1 10 months ago
@Menties1
i'm affraid my answer'll be long. be ready.
1. "middle of nowhere"? really? finland is placed where. part of territory was asked for rent.
2. ussr asked for territory near to capital, but easy bombed it. wtf? where is logic?
3. finn border was only in 18 km from 2nd city (culture capital) of ussr. anyway it was unacceptable for ussr. because world was in step from greatest war.
and now just check result...
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@sofuckinghard Yes. USSR wanted very important land near finns capital. Because Finland didn't accept USSR attacked to Finland and bombing Finns capital. And smal neutral country can't rent whatever land to superpower because world was in step from greatest war. And remember what happened to Estonia. Also Estonia was neutral. USSR asked territory, military bases and station 25,000 troops on Estonian soil. Estonia accepted. Next Soviet Union invaded Estonia. That was why Finland didn't accept.
Menties1 10 months ago
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@Menties1
ussr got what they want: finn border was moved for 150 km form leningrad, some of asked islands were taken. even more ussr gave back some territory, which was taken and used for defence during wwll.
but price became so big. of course you can calm yourself "Finland only stoped to old Soviet-Finnish", but price still is awful.
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
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@Menties1
ussr got what they want: border was moved to 150 km, some asked islands were taken.
but price became terrible for every side. if finns're feeling ok just repeating "Finland only stoped to old Soviet-Finnish border". i'm happy for them.
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
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@Menties1
@Menties1
ussr got what they want: border was moved to 150 km, some asked islands were taken.
but price became terrible for every side. if finns're feeling ok just repeating "Finland only stoped to old Soviet-Finnish border". i'm happy for them.
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
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@sofuckinghard USSR failed to occupied Finland. But overwhelming USSR stoled some smalls Finlands land. USSR attacked to Finland so we has same enemy whit Germany and when the time passed Finland attacked to USSR to take it's own land back. The Germans helped because we had the same enemy. We weren't nazi sympathist, we just needed help to get our lands back. And why USSR didt evacuated civils out of Leningrad before battle?
Menties1 10 months ago
@Menties1
usa has fate to fail during any wars. Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden were pure fail of wwll.
sofuckinghard 10 months ago
@UrharRar Without them, you would learn russian language todays in school
Haophil 1 year ago
@UrharRar Oh you are one of a really few people, who knows the truth. I hate people who say: "All german Soldiers were Nazis" or "All german Soldiers were Heroes". They just were poor guys into a bloody hell.
HolzbierProductions 10 months ago
what is the name of this movie please?
farhad1124 2 years ago
what type of bomb/charge was that they were sticking to the tanks?
darkyoda 2 years ago
The German soldiers themselves were fighting for their country and their homeland. It was the leaders that were thinking of world domination and how Jews are bad and all that stuff. The higher ups were the bad guys not the poor foot soldiers. Those are T-34-85`s by the way!
CordeliusBK 2 years ago 9
@CordeliusBK and the igher ups dies --- recently ---- in homes for old people....wit an 2,6k euro rent a month....while hiwis are still on tribunal thats a fucking shame!
jockelinho 1 year ago
I gotta get me a T-34. I wanna get one.
Taffer20 2 years ago 2
(sorry fo r my english)This is film is no good.Look russian film OSVOBOGHDENIE ("Освобождение")-The Soviet film about east front
ThePLOHISH 2 years ago
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GarbageState 2 years ago
there is a say in turkey , being war prisoner in russia is so much worse than dying. an russian bullet kills immediately , camp in siberia kill so slowly
turkishmauserx 2 years ago
i have to agrea
TheProudwhiteman88 2 years ago
nazis owned everyone in WW2, stop replying
millionhera22 2 years ago
and yet they lost....?
the nazis had good soldiers in the waffen SS and thier panzer units, but what they fought for was wrong and inexcusable. I have respect for German veterans, for they were humans like all of us, but in the end it was a good thing they lost.
HufflepuffTheGreat 2 years ago 3
@HufflepuffTheGreat How do you know? How do you know they should have lost?
I'm sorry but you probably know only whats out of Pro-Allied history books; just like all of us here.
assasincomedy 2 years ago
first of all, i didnt say they should have lost, i said they DID lose. and how do you know they DIDNT lose? lol because they lost!
I dont really know any wwii book, pro allied or pro anybody, that doesnt say the axis powers were decisively defeated. im sorry.
HufflepuffTheGreat 2 years ago
No you didnt, 'but in the end it was a good thing they lost. ' your saying that they should have lost. I cant even be fucked arguing.
assasincomedy 2 years ago
i hace no idea wtf u r talking about...seriously...
HufflepuffTheGreat 2 years ago
Very slow attack, very low speed for attack Т-34 from it 54km/h.
So attacks Matilda II at the maximum speed in 25km/h, not-T-34.
For Т-34 it is characteristic: fast, prompt attack and it suspensions and width tracks promotes it.
Under numerous evidence of participants ww2, in similar situations, magnetic mines in hands panzergrenadier were absolutely useless.
Deimxneyron 2 years ago
Those movie petrol bombs are something else, I've never seen one blow up anything and I've threw a few
knocknashane 2 years ago
maybe it hit the ammunition or something? yea i know...
HufflepuffTheGreat 2 years ago
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Froz , you stupid make no difference between T-34 and Matilda II , English infatry tank !
MrStealthy007 2 years ago
3:00 haven't they ever heard of Stop, Drop and Roll lol?
Anthrax92007 2 years ago
what a homo one has to be to rate this video with 5 or 4 stars... insane destruction for some economic expansion. congratulaions.
Khaos07 2 years ago
за Т-34!
PycckuuOrel88 2 years ago 2
Gitler Kaput!
AndreyMakov 2 years ago
If you know anything about the movie..they were in a strafbattalion...penal battalion...Watch the movie...
djay72 2 years ago
lol these guys arent Panzergrenadiers, they are Sturmpioneers (Combat engineers)
IvanBeSerious 2 years ago
Episode with magnetic mines in piriode 3:17-3:36 it is nonsense, absolute fiction of producer, Т-34 attack on much quick...
Mstatos098 2 years ago
not really the t-34 can reach 50 km/h but only under ideal conditions and firstly its cross land, secondly its snow an thirdly he supports infantry and don`t drive faster than they can ran and last but not least the crew of the t-34 to the time of stalingrad wasn`t very experience most crews didnt got a instruction how to drive a tank
Fr0zen3vil 2 years ago
Froz , you stupid make no difference between T-34 and Matilda II , English infatry tank !
MrStealthy007 2 years ago
i know the difference between a t34 and a matilda II but the russian did use t34 as an allround tank so it was firstly a battle tank and secondly because the russian didn`t had somethings like armored rifles or panzergrenadiere a infantry tank with tank riders like in this movie scene. the russians soldiers ride on the back of the tank to the battlefield and on the battlefield the t34 supports these infantryst
ps:if you have something against what i write you can say this in a more friendly way
Fr0zen3vil 2 years ago
Froz ,
1) unlike Brits , Russians have never classified their military vehicles as battle , infantry and etc. They had light , middle , heavy tanks , self-propelled guns , standard and special armored vehicles ...
2) thanks to anti-tank troops equipped with what you call armored rifles , Red Army was able to stop Germans near Moscow (1941) , Stalingrad (1942) and Kursk (1943)
3) usual offensive tactics is to let tanks go ahead , that is why infantry is behind
MrStealthy007 2 years ago
^^
to 1) i have never said that they classified them in this way. i only said the used them in this way
to 2) yeah your are right but not as germans (panzergrenadiere) and the americans armored rifles(these are the americans panzergrenadiere) the russians didn`t drove in light armored troop transporters but on the back of a t34 thats why the name tank rider
to 3) yeah in rough it`s right an tank divisions lead the way through enemy positions but a tank divions has one brigade of infantry
Fr0zen3vil 2 years ago
ps: to 3) the germans had the panzergrenadiers the americans their armored rifles and the russians the tank riders
Fr0zen3vil 2 years ago
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Name of the film is Stalingrad and most of the men in this battle were parachutists.
Tollrander 2 years ago
which is not true....
PacoPL 2 years ago
Pardon for confusing I thought in this video.
Tollrander 2 years ago
это фашистское кино???
Vertyxa21 2 years ago
Soldier: "Rollo, grenades!"
Rollo: "Have fun."
CommanderLightning 2 years ago
I'm a little surprised to hear you reasoning that way. It's hard to imagine Nazi Germany as being the "protagonist" in any shape or form. After the millions of people they killed just in the name of racial and idealistic supremacy - how can you even think that way? My family alone lost 3 KIA/MIA - and why? Just because the Nazis thought the Slavic people were inferior. Lastly invasion of Europe by the pre-WWII USSR is a folk-tale, they did not have the equipment or the drive to make it happen.
vdvgrimreaper 2 years ago
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Falkunov 2 years ago
My good friend, Falkunov do you have down syndrome or are you just plain stupid? All I got out of your post is that you are a complete idiot - not much else. It's really hard to be insulted by your words, because you did a very good job of making a complete fool of yourself. Lastly I am not from the US nor am I a fan of US war-movies. Here is a tip for the future: Actually read what people post first, then think before you write anything stupid. Cheers! ;)
vdvgrimreaper 2 years ago
You know the germans were assholes, but if they didn't invade russia, russia would have invaded europe!
nunvikingsofthesea 2 years ago 2
Well many things would have happened, if the things happened were not supposed to happen xD. I hope i made some sence. :) haha
magkas16 2 years ago
niemców palić żywcem
6marci 2 years ago
STOP DROP AND ROLL!
eddie199321 2 years ago
what movie is this?
Ivannator138 2 years ago
"Stalingrad" is the name of the moveie. Superb film it is! Honest film about Stalingrad battle through german soldier`s eyes.
maoqiao 2 years ago 3
"There are no winners in war, only survivors" Trite but true.
Valmorden 2 years ago 17
okay motherfuckers shut the fuck up...im trying to watch the movie, the next one who comments can go fuck ther mother.
phenobarbitalmv75 2 years ago
Wow guys im really happy that i watched this youtube movie.This is THE first movie about german soldiers where nobody said:" FUCKING GERMAN NAZI SCUM ROBOTS!"
You must know im german and im used to be insulted in online games,forums,....
Thats annonying:-(I didnt do anything and i dont support it.
xivid1234 2 years ago 8
Well, I'm sorry to hear what they say to you. Just because someone's German, doesn't mean they're Nazis.
There's that saying, if you'll excuse the corny cliché: "Don't judge a book according to its cover."
CommanderLightning 2 years ago 6
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my iron cross was awarded by hitler himself. don't be jealous.
billjesusgates 2 years ago
And I run the government of China. We've heard it all before.
CommanderLightning 2 years ago 5
Loved that sentence:-DThat's exactly what i mean:-)
I'm happy that there are some poeple who think like me:-)
xivid1234 2 years ago 4
Yes. Those kinds of individuals are hard to come by these days, sadly.
If the guys at that site give you anymore trouble, I'll be here at this site to back you up.
CommanderLightning 2 years ago
why did xivid1234's first comment get thumbs down?
493175001 2 years ago
I could not help it - had to cheer for the Soviets. Found myself saying "C'mon run over the bastard with the magnetic-mine." I was curious to see a movie were the antagonist was the victor. Our boys got destroyed. :(
vdvgrimreaper 2 years ago
Panzergrenadiers (mechanized infantry) without their tanks.
mnpd007 2 years ago
Wrong, the Film is about a group of combat enganeers. The used mines, and flamethrowers in an earlier battle (a famous assault on a soviet tractorfabrik)
HeiniSauerkraut 2 years ago 2
by the way, in my language, the word for german is "neimetz" or... 'one who tries to be quiet'
MillitaryMind927 2 years ago
Haha In mine "Niemiec" - German means mute. (person who cannot speak). It's because people of Slavic origin (Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and Czech's) could easily communicate during early middle ages but they couldn't understand Germans :).
EnhancedNightmare 2 years ago
The gun is a Pak 40 calibre 75mm
Fordo89 2 years ago
This is a scene that comes nearly to the truth! I thank good not to fight in this bloody battle.... poor german soldiers
Peipergdi 2 years ago 2
These tanks are T-34/85s?
Scatmanfi 2 years ago
Yes they are t-34/85! Look the turrent is one thing and it has the commando turrent on the top
Fordo89 2 years ago
in battle of stalingrad, i was awarded an iron cross. i knocked out 5 T-34s.
billjesusgates 2 years ago
(to billjesusgates): You woolly-headed liberal...
CommanderLightning 2 years ago
"The single 88'er"
I dont see 88s in this video, the Gun looks like a PaK 38 or 40, far to small for a 88. Eastern front.......what a fucking nightmare!!!
Bigman46 2 years ago
it is definately not a 88, those guns are four times the size of this one. I think it's a Pak 38
weverman2 2 years ago
The movie is not realistic but it successfully humanizes German soldiers in WWII who were always considered robots or even worse.. Beside that, well, can anybody name some non-propaganda, unbiased historical movies?
vphuongdktdbk 2 years ago 4
I think Saving privat Ryan was the first commercial movie that humanised german soldiers. Like it or not, before that movie we were victims of victor propaganda movies in the west. There have been a few movies that did not ridicule german soldiers as nazi robots before 2000, there has been a very good movie about a Hitler jugend squad among others. But don't forget that before 2000, even a hint that Germans might have been humane in those days would label you as a rascist and neonazi
weverman2 2 years ago
This scene is not realistic. The t 34's would have attacked much faster and left the German Grenadiers behind. The single 88'er might have taken one or two tanks out, no more. The terrain is too open for those ill- armed Germans to succed in stopping an attack like this.
RandallJonesey 2 years ago
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low budget movie...
ZenoWaxDisc 2 years ago
Bravo Winkler!!!!!
Oscha12 2 years ago
listening the song is bad
computador22222 2 years ago
the first shot from the gun is Piece of SHIT what is the distance like 60 meters omg
Andrismilitary 2 years ago
Nonsense, Т-34 did not burn from bottles with an igniting mix
filimon4ik 2 years ago
Yes, they did burn from molotov coctails in Hungary in 56. They burnt easily at least the survivors say that it was far too easy to ignite them this way.
JamesVonRaynor 2 years ago
WTF ?
8708183506 2 years ago
Pretty intense. Makes what American soldiers are going through in Iraw look like a cake walk.
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SCORPIONHALLOWEEN13 3 years ago
heil mein deutsche kamerad
AndreasSchenider 3 years ago
Andreas go to psychyatria ,you are ill .
Antyfa1 3 years ago
these guys are defending the last starbucks in stalingrad. looks pretty bloody.
billjesusgates 3 years ago
jajajajaaaa mira chileno si yo fuera xenofobico te insultaria de todas las formas posibles como hacen michisimos de tus compatriotas q si son xenofobicos de verdad....yo respondo con ARGUMENTOS E IDEAS antes q con insultos me entendio !!!
rotosdemierda2008 3 years ago
PARA NADA MAPUCHE ENVIDIOSO !!
rotosdemierda2008 3 years ago
por lom menos en lo de grau estiy de acuerdo contigo...el noble gesto de rescatar a los naufragos del esmeralda y devolverle a la viuda de prats sus objetos personales lo han hecho merecedor del apelativo del " caballero de los mares "....cosa muy distinta a lo q hizo ese barbaro asesino llamado patricio lynch q quemo muchisimas haciendas y pueblos indefensos del peru ...chau !
rotosdemierda2008 3 years ago
entons mapuche ignorante de mierda me puedes decir como se hundio la esmeralda en 1879...ahora vas a decir q los peruanos lo inventamos !!!
rotosdemierda2008 3 years ago