@BigRoma1 People hold their weapons differently, buddy. It depends on your style/system. The late Ben Luna Lema used to hold his stick with a lot of punyo exposed. Everyone is different. There is no "right or wrong" way.
One core teaching in the arts is respect. It is alright examine his work ,and express your own experiences and thoughts on the matter,but picking on the guy does not really help anything. I give this guy a lot credit for putting is stuff out for all to see despite my point of view on what he is teaching.
Obviously this kid is a new instructor and nervous but he is clearer than most youtube vid.s on the subject. His stance is right for the camera and ok for kali. He is distracted and not centered or grounded but kooks like that is because of the camera. He did did some straight thrusts, which are a stranded part of kali that most people forget. He should explain the 8. I prefer the 11 strike set but the basic 8 is good for beginners. Doing this should be good instruction for him.
ok what taloring the stick to your self what about calling it 8 attack zones left and right side of the temples collar bones left and right ribs left and right sides of the thighs helps student to remember the zones so when an opening comes they can attack without pause flow into to other things
Ok he showed some simple striking methods, but what about when to strike? For example: My instructor to me, One: Always keep the stick in front of you and your hand open and near your face. Two: Don't head hunt, attack the limbs and extremities first when defending yourself. Now the way he taught me is not the Philipino way but the Chinese way, there are no fancey movements, just direct strikes to get the job done.
@BaboyTatz Absolutely right, Doce Pares Eskrima is my main art. And look at the guy in the video. His stance is wrong for the hand he's using the hold the stick. And did some straight thrusts, which you shouldn't do.
well that is Phillipine Martial Arts. our Martial Arts but people here in Philippines doesnt even know Whats KALI or ARNIS but in Foreign Country they know it!
If you have a stick in a fight, you don't need to learn how to use it too well. Just swing it hard and for the face. Lesson over. Don't spend so much time working the offensive end of weapons. Learn the Defense. It is more important and more realistic. 9 out of 10 times you will be attacked by a person holding the weapon already. If you have enough time to find a stick then fight you are probably on a movie set. Just for your knowledge, the end of the stick is called the Punio.
it doesn't matter about the object you use just something long enough like an umbrella but you are right it is more important to learn defense rather then offense but sometimes you may have something in hand that may serve its use as a stick and it's not only about the swinging its about the whiplash effect when you hit the stick on a target it bounces back and it can weaken your hand without proper training or may slip out of it but your statement about defense then offense
No, but indonesian silat holds many of the same principles concepts and theories as the filipino martial arts. Plus, Silat classically is first and foremost a weapons system and so includes even more use of weaponry than Kali/Eskrima etc.
Ahh...so that's what you mean. Sorry if I don't comprehend quickly, I just started eskrima this week. Just made my own rattan baston a couple o' hours ago, so.....yeah.
My instructor would change out our sticks sometimes or make us to the drills with something else to make us understand the principles of what we were doing, not just mindless techniques. I like being able to hook with the punyo. If I need more reach, I'll slide down, but that's often made up for with good footwork and movement. Some of the commenters need to get out a bit more and realize there is more then one way that will work. This guy's just not so good at voicing things on video.
mykchicano was very right. I've been doing escrima that was a mixture of some Doce Pares and various other escrima for about 10 years now. I've seen different styles from having no punyo to one fist. I first learned the one fist and it was used to hook things. You can't hook well with an inch. It is taken a bit easier, but it's a trade off. Even many "masters" disagree on some of these things because of personal experience and preference. (cont)
There is more than one way to hold the stick, one fists length is the preferred method generally as it is easier to hook and disarm. You are speaking from personal experience which is fine, yet try to avoid outright denial of another's preferred method.
In the first place the sticks used in Arnis (Sp. Escrima) are not made of wood, but it's made out of fire hardened rattan which is a palm (it has the interesting ability to resist shattering even when hit a blade). There are no fixed length for the sticks in Arnis, but the conventional length is dictated by the length of the fore arm (decreasing the chance of hitting each other when using double sticks).
Oh, wow! A level-headed and rational post! I didn't think they existed any more! Points to mykchicano for shedding some light here. A "true eskrima fighting stick" is nonexistent. You use what works for you, be it a bolo, broom handle, or rattan stick. It's the technique that defines the art, not the tools. Are your skills rendered useless because you have to use a pool cue in the real world, not a "true eskrima fighting stick?"
Actually, rattan isn't a kind of palm tree. It is a twisting vine and is extensively used in the furniture industry of the Philippines. It is straightened out with heat and doesn't splinter like wood. Most of what is being sold as arnis or eskrima training sticks are in fact immature rattan and are liable to shred after a few sessions. Mature rattan is much more durable but also much thicker in diameter. There is no fixed length for an olisi but it should preferably be an arm's length.
Rattan is vine-like but it's actually a member of the palm family it has 600+ species 70% of which is located in Indonesia, while the rest comes from Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, and the Philippines.
Thanks. I didn't really think it was a kind of palm. I've only just seen it as a vine twisting and hanging around trees and branches and never thought to relate it to palms being so dissimilar in form but come to think of it, it does have some qualities of palms. Especially its nodes and its spines.
Rattan is for training or test only. for combat, either a bladed weapon or hardwood stick is used. Usually "bahi" - the hard part of the coconut tree (also used as handles for axe, hammers or bows) or "kamagong", a harder but more brittle alternative. These are usually tipped with metal rings to prevent splintering and tied to the hand with a scarf to lessen the possibility of losing it. they are also usually shorter than the training sticks as they are heavier and arnis relies much to speed.
The other guy doesn't look like someone you wold even need to use sticks on...LOL!!
Lee94503 6 months ago
This guy didn't even talk about trapping .
rhino42094 7 months ago
Too much Punyo can leave you open to disarms Mr Tres.
BigRoma1 8 months ago
@BigRoma1 People hold their weapons differently, buddy. It depends on your style/system. The late Ben Luna Lema used to hold his stick with a lot of punyo exposed. Everyone is different. There is no "right or wrong" way.
mrkitanai1 1 month ago
One core teaching in the arts is respect. It is alright examine his work ,and express your own experiences and thoughts on the matter,but picking on the guy does not really help anything. I give this guy a lot credit for putting is stuff out for all to see despite my point of view on what he is teaching.
Huntwisely 8 months ago
if you want to see real stick strikes, look at ucc hamburg
fewag 9 months ago
Terrible!
rommelrachel 11 months ago
@alejarren ???
nunotae123 1 year ago
@HalbTeufel333 and you're an instructor?
ProphetsOfAshes 1 year ago
Guy with the stick, get in your other lead mate. Lead hand holds the stick.
DeanPMA 1 year ago
he is so funny....well well well....for youtube purposes only!
orientpearl632 1 year ago
@masterjingo He's not bad, just nervous. He appears to have a pretty good understanding of Kali.
cydwatts 1 year ago
Obviously this kid is a new instructor and nervous but he is clearer than most youtube vid.s on the subject. His stance is right for the camera and ok for kali. He is distracted and not centered or grounded but kooks like that is because of the camera. He did did some straight thrusts, which are a stranded part of kali that most people forget. He should explain the 8. I prefer the 11 strike set but the basic 8 is good for beginners. Doing this should be good instruction for him.
rvmiv 1 year ago
Need more training village people
newazajunkie 2 years ago
Is this the Same Place where those two fat karate guys teaching,, ohh mann, nothing great comes out of this school
ajdelaguapo 2 years ago
ok what taloring the stick to your self what about calling it 8 attack zones left and right side of the temples collar bones left and right ribs left and right sides of the thighs helps student to remember the zones so when an opening comes they can attack without pause flow into to other things
cmoore300 2 years ago
Ok he showed some simple striking methods, but what about when to strike? For example: My instructor to me, One: Always keep the stick in front of you and your hand open and near your face. Two: Don't head hunt, attack the limbs and extremities first when defending yourself. Now the way he taught me is not the Philipino way but the Chinese way, there are no fancey movements, just direct strikes to get the job done.
KungFuKid1015 2 years ago
wow...
fightingmink 2 years ago
wheres this guy located?
and what about dual escrimas?
im extremely curiouse since i just purchased two escrima sticks
BleachigoSlash 2 years ago
You'd be better off learning from Dan Inosanto's dvd's.
smthngdffrnt 2 years ago
do you mean double olisi with 2 sticks?
you should check out Cacoy Doce Pares Eskrima, Supreme Grandmaster Cacoy Canete, Cebu.
They have videos on here and they are first class.
BaboyTatz 2 years ago
@BaboyTatz Absolutely right, Doce Pares Eskrima is my main art. And look at the guy in the video. His stance is wrong for the hand he's using the hold the stick. And did some straight thrusts, which you shouldn't do.
spyder180 1 year ago
pity hruting man..
JapanMonkeyHunter 2 years ago
the end of the stick is called a ju but and there is only 6 or 13 strikes depending on what ur are studing
devildeb1234 2 years ago
i agree,
i think that (at least) the right guy cant agree you tutorial
see his responses mean you "explain"
grecomvd 2 years ago
well that is Phillipine Martial Arts. our Martial Arts but people here in Philippines doesnt even know Whats KALI or ARNIS but in Foreign Country they know it!
luftwaffe789456123 2 years ago
If you have a stick in a fight, you don't need to learn how to use it too well. Just swing it hard and for the face. Lesson over. Don't spend so much time working the offensive end of weapons. Learn the Defense. It is more important and more realistic. 9 out of 10 times you will be attacked by a person holding the weapon already. If you have enough time to find a stick then fight you are probably on a movie set. Just for your knowledge, the end of the stick is called the Punio.
petermummy 3 years ago
it doesn't matter about the object you use just something long enough like an umbrella but you are right it is more important to learn defense rather then offense but sometimes you may have something in hand that may serve its use as a stick and it's not only about the swinging its about the whiplash effect when you hit the stick on a target it bounces back and it can weaken your hand without proper training or may slip out of it but your statement about defense then offense
sephiroth87932 3 years ago
Umbrella? for stabbing perhaps, for hitting? no way.
wallenp 2 years ago
well not to make probability more and more less of a chance but if you had those unbreakable ones then yeah lol
sephiroth87932 2 years ago
Ummm.... I'm an Indonesian, and I'm not sure if escrima is an Indonesian martial art.
JadenPrinceton12 3 years ago
No, but indonesian silat holds many of the same principles concepts and theories as the filipino martial arts. Plus, Silat classically is first and foremost a weapons system and so includes even more use of weaponry than Kali/Eskrima etc.
naughtiusmaximus222 3 years ago
Ahh...so that's what you mean. Sorry if I don't comprehend quickly, I just started eskrima this week. Just made my own rattan baston a couple o' hours ago, so.....yeah.
JadenPrinceton12 3 years ago
My instructor would change out our sticks sometimes or make us to the drills with something else to make us understand the principles of what we were doing, not just mindless techniques. I like being able to hook with the punyo. If I need more reach, I'll slide down, but that's often made up for with good footwork and movement. Some of the commenters need to get out a bit more and realize there is more then one way that will work. This guy's just not so good at voicing things on video.
ezraa123 3 years ago
mykchicano was very right. I've been doing escrima that was a mixture of some Doce Pares and various other escrima for about 10 years now. I've seen different styles from having no punyo to one fist. I first learned the one fist and it was used to hook things. You can't hook well with an inch. It is taken a bit easier, but it's a trade off. Even many "masters" disagree on some of these things because of personal experience and preference. (cont)
ezraa123 3 years ago
???? is he holdin it right?????
plus24seven 3 years ago 2
the way he hold is very wrong it should be one inch...and it is very easy to grab his stick if he hold like that
manalomarko 3 years ago
There is more than one way to hold the stick, one fists length is the preferred method generally as it is easier to hook and disarm. You are speaking from personal experience which is fine, yet try to avoid outright denial of another's preferred method.
fsdetained 3 years ago
In the first place the sticks used in Arnis (Sp. Escrima) are not made of wood, but it's made out of fire hardened rattan which is a palm (it has the interesting ability to resist shattering even when hit a blade). There are no fixed length for the sticks in Arnis, but the conventional length is dictated by the length of the fore arm (decreasing the chance of hitting each other when using double sticks).
mykchicano 3 years ago 6
Oh, wow! A level-headed and rational post! I didn't think they existed any more! Points to mykchicano for shedding some light here. A "true eskrima fighting stick" is nonexistent. You use what works for you, be it a bolo, broom handle, or rattan stick. It's the technique that defines the art, not the tools. Are your skills rendered useless because you have to use a pool cue in the real world, not a "true eskrima fighting stick?"
HeartlessBastid 3 years ago 6
pool cues are more like jo or bo staffs but the idea you're conveying is right.
fsdetained 3 years ago
Actually, rattan isn't a kind of palm tree. It is a twisting vine and is extensively used in the furniture industry of the Philippines. It is straightened out with heat and doesn't splinter like wood. Most of what is being sold as arnis or eskrima training sticks are in fact immature rattan and are liable to shred after a few sessions. Mature rattan is much more durable but also much thicker in diameter. There is no fixed length for an olisi but it should preferably be an arm's length.
Readioheed 3 years ago
Rattan is vine-like but it's actually a member of the palm family it has 600+ species 70% of which is located in Indonesia, while the rest comes from Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, and the Philippines.
mykchicano 2 years ago 2
Thanks. I didn't really think it was a kind of palm. I've only just seen it as a vine twisting and hanging around trees and branches and never thought to relate it to palms being so dissimilar in form but come to think of it, it does have some qualities of palms. Especially its nodes and its spines.
Readioheed 2 years ago
Rattan is for training or test only. for combat, either a bladed weapon or hardwood stick is used. Usually "bahi" - the hard part of the coconut tree (also used as handles for axe, hammers or bows) or "kamagong", a harder but more brittle alternative. These are usually tipped with metal rings to prevent splintering and tied to the hand with a scarf to lessen the possibility of losing it. they are also usually shorter than the training sticks as they are heavier and arnis relies much to speed.
wallenp 2 years ago
WOW! this is not kung fu! dude. its a totaly different martial art!
vsr111 3 years ago
'nope nearly all right but 1 lil thing at the end of the stik there shoud only be 1-2 inches as it will be harder for the oppent to take off you
rajvir123456 4 years ago
I was going to to say the same, gives them a nice length of stick below your hand for it to be grabbed of you.
Vvyper 4 years ago