Cold Fusion More than Junk Science 60minutes 9-4-19 2 of 2

[DeVizardofOZ]

Richard Garvin... what an arrogant ass... basically saying all his colleagues are idiots and can't even measure energy input vs. output.

[ZeekWolfe1]

This technology is going absolutely nowhere. Consider...virtually every house in America has access to natural gas. Natural gas powers buses, trucks and cars. America has natural gas that will last for hundreds of years. Home 'gas' stations could be installed with little difficulty. Yet, Obama and friends are pushing electric cars. So that's what we're getting, crap like the Chevrolet Volt and little boxes like the Leaf and Prius. Hybrids and electrics are dead ends.

[Itsmeeman1]

Governmentally/big business funded scientists always say what they are told to say by their governmental/big business masters.

When will people learn that just because some scientists say something is good or bad that it isn't necessarily true?

A simple example is GM crops from Monsanto. Scientists tested them and found them to be genetically deadly through the generations of the life forms eating them but the published results were the opposite because the scientists still wanted funding.

[Jebus495]

Perpetual motion is impossible because it is impossible for any man made device to run indefinitely. It would have to break down at some point even if it ran for 10 billion years it would not be perpetual. Overunity devices on the other hand, are a soon coming reality to the entire world.

[vonbryce]

Ah man at the end when he's talking to the old 'discredited' scientist who got hounded out of America... His happy laugh is priceless. Terribly sad that mainstream science couldn't handle his discovery, happens so often with cutting edge discoveries. But his coy little smile, and his knowing laugh that someday it'll be all over the place. Strangely triumphant. :]

[Darthbelal]

The original cold fusion scientists announced their results too soon. I wish they could've further developed this technology to point where it was working reliably THEN went public.........

[Itsmeeman1]

So... where's the other 53 minutes? lol

[Itsmeeman1]

The Wright Brothers were NOT the ones to prove heavier-than-air flight was possible! Learn history!

[mccluskey]

cold fusion is here to STAY My little darlings OH YEH OOOOh YEEEAAAHHH

[BluCosmos]

Wow that is just sad. A man's career destroyed in seconds after a press conference.  Scientists say "we can't reproduce it" but maybe that's part of the nature of cold fusion. Maybe science is too archaic and has to realize new rules.

[abobjenkins]

are eggs fried 100% of the time? NO. sometime they're boiled. end of story!

[TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE]

I AM living proof there is doubt?

[hukt0nf0nikz]

its so sad how flieshman got treated like that, i feel sorry for the old guy.

[panzarw]

and as time will pass, we will forget that scientists feelings and hopes were crushed in this cold fusion development, while we are driving our CFD car to work.

[ColdFusionNow]

Please join the movement at ColdFusionNow. org

[ugore]

hi guys im presenting a thesis to some major corporations and I am intersted in forming a group of 8..I have 0 degrees in physic however, I have some good ideas and I am good at researching..Good enough to go t these companies..I need 2 chemists, 2 physicists,2 engineers, 1 thoeretical physicists...you dont need to have degrees either...I want to present my ideas to u guys

[FreeEnergyNow1]

@ugore

Hello, I understand many fields in energy. What is your idea and how can I help...

[Nichen]

What the hell is wrong with that old fart, why is he denying it so hard?

[mmaaxx1198]

Fuck excess heat! Look for helium, why won't anyone mention the helium which MUST be produced??? What the hell are they making by fusing deutrium to deutrium???

[spinozaq]

@mmaaxx1198 Producing helium ( or other elements. ) isn't the problem. You can build a Fusor is your basement for a few hundred bucks to do that. The problem isn't in pushing those little protons close enough together to fuse, it's doing it without using too much energy. The Sun has it easy, it just uses gravity, lucky bastard. Us engineers have to actually build sometime. Fusion in exotic dense solids is entirely possible. Even heavier fusion like h+boron.

[mmaaxx1198]

@spinozaq Well if thats the case than we need to talk, im interested in the fusion of heavy elements sans uranium and plutonium, those are so poisonous, but the platinum series are kick ass and safe. Im also interested in tritium production, I want to try to make a tritium-esk neon sign.

[spinozaq]

@mmaaxx1198 Fusing heavier elements is much much harder though. Once you get to iron the fusion reaction must absorb energy from the system, creating "gluon" mass. This has only been achieved in tiny quantities on earth in labs, and in super nova. This is where the energy from Fission Nuclear Reactors comes from. The energy was "stolen" from the super nova explosion itself. Crazy to think about.

[OUTTANOVA]

The arrogance and smugness of the dogmatic religious scientists is incredible.

[390bullitt1968]

@OUTTANOVA -911 has become a religion. The Holocaust as well.

It is a religion when doubt becomes taboo.

[Alvicbar]

why isnt this like a big thing and why is it doubted???

[Jacob011]

there's always some close-minded doubter that gets his mouth shut in the course of time

[melis256]

Once this is called uppon by people all around ME and YOU and everyone the fossile fuel companys will DIE.

[azzmonkeyinc]

but everyone must see that if this energy is gained country's (*cough* america*cough*) will go into a huge lose of money

[WeThePeopleOf911]

I am a computer expert, so I will put it this way:

When there was the 286's, the 386/486's were already developed and being tested. When there was 16 bit systems, 32/64 bit systems were developed and being tested.

It is all MONEY. They will NOT go from 16 bit to 64 bit without making billions off the 32 bit system.

Get rid of money and technology will advance at the speed of light!!!

[evilblades]

@WeThePeopleOf911 if you are infact a computer expert you must know that computer technology is and have for "always" grown exponentionally.

saying they did not develop it faster just because they wanted to milk more primitive technologies is simply ignorant. and sounds like something i would expect from a conspiracy nut. (no offence intended.)

but are you saying they dont make windows for 128 bit or 254 bit today because they want to make money on the 64 bit first?... science is not magic.

[WeThePeopleOf911]

@evilblades Hi Blades, what I am saying is that there is technology that allows us to go faster than a 64 bit system (128 bit or faster)! Just because you do not hear about them doesn't mean they don't exist. For example, it took how many years for us to go from the 16 bit system to the 32 bit system? Well, the HP BPC, introduced in 1975, was the world's first 16-bit microprocessor.

[WeThePeopleOf911]

@evilblades By the mid-1990s, HAL Computer Systems, Sun Microsystems, IBM, Silicon Graphics, and Hewlett Packard had developed 64-bit architectures for their workstation and server systems. Hmmm...20 years (give/take). Now if we are seeing it grow "exponentionally", then we should have seen the 128 bit by now?? Did you know that: 64-bit CPUs have existed in supercomputers since the 1970s (Cray-1, 1975; CDC 6000 series, 1964, were 60-bit)? Question...Where is the 128/256 bit??

[WeThePeopleOf911]

@evilblades Now, what I am saying is that the technology is there and the question is when do we (the people) get it?? Not until the others (Corporations) have made their money off it. If a 64 bit system existed almost 20 years before we (the people) got the first 16 bit system, it goes to say that they have (remember 40 years have passed) a 128/256 bit .. possibly a 512 bit...God only knows...for now.

[evilblades]

@WeThePeopleOf911 it is simply not fecable to have the latest good out on the market in computing (look at the price for alienwere).

not to mention the fact that sometimes you just dont need that much for a home computer. and it is only recently with computers growing to the capacity they have that the need for 64bit systems have become general.

as of today we simply dont have any processors that can utilize 126 bit properly and frankly we dont need it yet outside supercomputers.

[He101A]

@evilblades Did you graduate from jr. high school or something? You call that stuff your writing a sentence? The grammer is crap, and the sentences you write have no structure. Before you post your idiotic skepticism, go learn to write you dolt.

[evilblades]

@He101A well fuck you very much ^_^

i have loads of comment from hippies and conspiracy nuts to reply to (loving it), and as english is not my first language my speedtyping can be problematic. (you wanna try norwegian? no? tough)

attacking my grammar and diction is fallacious at best. but i will take more care in typing in the future.

a friend once told me "i dont consider an argument won until they attack your person." seems oddly fitting...

[WeThePeopleOf911]

@evilblades You chill too ;-)

Elaborate: "conspiracy nuts to reply to". I will admit, that I do NOT believe that 911 was terrorists (depending on who you say the terrorists are ;-)

[WeThePeopleOf911]

I just want a REAL investigation this time!!!!!

[evilblades]

@WeThePeopleOf911 haha. i have had my fair share of dicussions with the "9/11" truthers.

some of the arguments are just too good not to get involved in.

all truther arguments can be better explained either by coincident or in other ways. i think the people who flew into the wtc were evil religious fucks who didnt care about human lives. and the bush administration (and a lot of crooks in the current administration) are different evil religious fucks who don't care about human lives

[WeThePeopleOf911]

@He101A Chill, the shorter words you write the more you can say without being cut off by the limit.

[He101A]

@WeThePeopleOf911 It was meant for evilblades, not you sorry. 

[evilblades]

@WeThePeopleOf911 im bad at typing in short sentences. it comes from my near fetish-like fascination with the english language.

try writing norwegian most of your life. some of the words make no sense at all.

something simple like "a towel" in norwegian (håndkle) can be translated as "hand clothing". imagine living with a language where stuff like that is suppose to makes sense!

not to mention that english has several times as many words as our entire dictionary. enougth to drive anyone nuts...

[WeThePeopleOf911]

@evilblades LOL, I am a US citizen living Germany (with my wife/kids). I still cannot speak/write German as well as you can write English!! Keep it up!! Don't let folks tell you that you can't write...you can write better than some Americans I have met ;-)

Peace In/Out...

Dan

[evilblades]

@WeThePeopleOf911 haha, thanks. i did german in school for 7 years.

we have mandatory edducation in norwegian and english. and a third language, french, german, spanish or in some schools japaneese. but my german vocabulary is still smaller than that of a six year old german child :P

[WeThePeopleOf911]

@evilblades Out for the night...have a nice one!!

Thanks for the chat.

- Dan

[WeThePeopleOf911]

@evilblades You have a point. But as a programmer, I would love to have a 128 but system for compiling my programs/applications ;-) ok, call it greety. What about Games? You are a gamer right? Games are probably the only reason (meaning the graphics) that we would need the greater CPU power (128 bit +).

[evilblades]

@WeThePeopleOf911 i consider myself a "fairly" heavy gamer yes :)

games are probarbly the only reason they made windows 7, 64 bit in the first place.

128 bit would be fun. but we really would need stronger processors before we can use them. the moment they get processors on the market strong enougth im sure they are gonna upgrade to 128. but until then i would hardly call it an conspiracy to keep good affordable computers off the market to sell less efficient machines.

[S0up3rD0up3r]

think we should all become scientists and create our own cold fusion generators and put the oil and energy giants out of business once and for all. 

[shadowwbn]

This is all about money, they cant make as much with this technology. Your Physic's buds, are to scared to lose their tenier, to scared to lose their job, their reputation, lifes work, to scared to even endorse, support or recognize this PROVEN SYSTEM that would actually benefit EVERYONE ON THE PLANET, TO INCLUDE EARTH ITSELF AND EVERY OTHER LIVING THING ON IT!!

This is what happens when we allow greedy pieces of trash to get their way.

[manniman82]

But the thing is that Big oil, which basically controls geopolitics, will not allow the government to fund research, that is they will not allow it until it can figure a way to profit from cold fusion but as it stands now they have to much of a grip on the world and it is not convenient for them to allow this new form of energy to replace oil. However 60 minutes is mainstream so there is probably something brewing regarding cold fusion...

[hastouki]

Richard Garwin is not a bright man! Just listen to the point when they are talking about "doubt". "Thats a statement" ??? Thanks Mr Garwin, and nobody cares about HIS doubt, why is he even being interviewed. The new generation of scientists, entrepreneurs and general public are the ones that count, all of these stubborn old dogs are gonna be gone soon.

[TheThorguitar]

it will work we just lack d understanding to make it consistent and the refinement to make it useable, just like early computers were huge and unreliable filling rooms wit only very basic ability, we now have technology millions of times greater in advancement in what we'd consider basic like mobile phones, d only difference here is cold fusion has loads of bad publicity and relatively poor funding, once we're able to produce a cheap reliable reaction it can be refined for almost limitless uses

[JoeWinU235]

I think it's more likely that a sensationalist news program would find a few deluded scientists who don't even understand exactly why they're seeing what they're seeing than the fundamental laws of quantum physics being completely wrong. People who buy into this junk don't really understand what fusion is.

[symmetry08]

right now, process takes long hours to get miniscule power. We need at least something like a laptop could be be charged without external cord within few hours and be able to work another few hours.

[glenncookiowa1979]

oh no, too many jobs would be lost. The "Big Cats" can't be put out of business.

[stoltobot]

@glenncookiowa1979 cheap energy would be quite the opposite. Operating costs would be slashed and the cost of start-up businesses would be lowered, especially in manufacturing. There would be so many new jobs because the cost saved in energy could be spent to employ people to fill the new opportunities to use that saved capital

[FamousSnatcher]

Only on the edge of extinction will we make sense of tihis...

[Seano71]

more like when the price of oil goes through the roof again

[He101A]

These damn physicists are against cold fusion, because it will end their hot fusion projects. Billions of dollars have gone into a hot fusion reactor project, and they failed to come out with one working prototype! In addition, the cold fusion project destroys the scientific theory of conservation of energy. Scientists in the past said heavier than air flight was impossible, but the Wright brothers proved them wrong. Science should expand on new discoveries, not bury them.

[LouistheHedgehog]

Ane even no excess is made avaiable from this process (which there is) these devices would still be far chepaer to produce and research than hot fusion reactors.

And speaking of the Wright brothers, no one believed them either when the first heavier than air flight was accompliched. They even doubted themselves after that first 12 second flight. It wasn't untill it was flown in public view a few years later when it was accepted.

[He101A]

The problem with cold fusion is getting heavy water which is very expensive. Palladium can also be difficult to acquire, because it is a rare precious metal. It is still far cheaper than researching something that is very difficult or impossible to create. In the medical profession, they produce drugs that don't cure one disease. All the drugs they produce mask the symptoms, but the disease is still there. You get dependent on a drug that doesn't treat anything.

[NovaN0va]

if you would have seen the first video, you would notice Sea water, is usable, not once has anyone mentioned Heavy water

[He101A]

You can harvest heavy water from sea water, but the ratio is like 155/1,000,000, or 155 ppm(parts per million).  In order to get 1 gallon of heavy water, you must distill about 6451.61 gallons of sea water.

[samuraixsamurai]

@He101A Can't the be done cleanly using a solar furnace or similar technology?

[tantzer]

@He101A Nah, there's no conspiracy here. It's just that physicists don't want to believe this because current knowledge of physics does not explain it.

[He101A]

@tantzer I have to say, most of the Physicists that I met are just a bunch of skeptical, hard headed, & know it alls. The physics behind the Gauss rifle doesn't work, but the navy has a working prototype. It is a recoiless magnetic gun. The navy scientists confirmed cold fusion worked. To some scientists, what they know is religion. Science is religion to them. LOL. Theories in science can be proven false, and new theories can be written.

[tantzer]

Nobody has proven that what is happening is actually "fusion." That could be the case; but nowadays nobody claims that. Rather, they say that they're getting excess heat & that this is possibly due to some sort of nuclear reaction which may or may not be fusion = we don't understand it!

True, physicists are overly dismissive. But that's due to the improper way the original announcement was made. They'll come around if evidence piles up or if someone gives a theory explaining the observations.

[stoltobot]

@He101A How does it destroy conservation of energy? Did you watch part 1 where the first guy says the energy is contained in the seawater?

[He101A]

@stoltobot Conservation of energy states energy can't be created nor destroyed. With cold fusion, you are basically creating energy out of thin air. With a cold fusion reaction, you are getting more out of a reaction than what you are putting in. Sea water must be harnessed to produce heavy water. The ratio of heavy water to regular water is like 1 heavy water molecule to 5000 regular sea water molecules. A ratio of 1/5000. 5000 gallons of H20 will yield 1 gallon of heavy water.

[manniman82]

@He101A It doesn't violate energy conservation: the excess heat is produced by the fusion of the nucleides thereby releasing the binding energy (the heat). The scientists basically don't know why an electric current on heavy water with a palladium plate generates this nuclear reaction. They basically can't explain the mechanism of the reaction but the energy is not from "thin air" as you put it, it comes from the fusion of the two nucleides...

[evilblades]

@He101A they are against cold fusion research?. cold fusion research has cost US taxpayers almost 20 billion the last 50 years. and as of today it is up at 500 million dollars a year. and it is STILL largely where they were 20 years ago.

listening to the cold fusio belivers is like listening to homeopaths adamantly denying alternative solutions and answers. "we found results that showed it worked once, so it must be true!".

cold fusion would be awesome, but it is another failed science.

[He101A]

@evilblades Hot fusion cost U.S. taxpayers $20 billion. Cold Fusion costs pennies on the dollar to produce energy.

[evilblades]

@He101A we have gotten results out of nuclear fussion. we predicted exactly what would happend before we even started, we know how it is done, and that it is possible. the cold fusion scientists struggle with maintaining even one of those grounds for continued funding. there is no proof yet that could not be explained by external factors.

it even goes against conventional science and gives "free" energy. which is impossible.

they use the same line of arguments that the homeopathy people use.

[He101A]

@evilblades The U.S. navy did confirmed that cold fusion works. I am not talking about nuclear fusion these physicists get billions for. It's called Fusion, like trying to create another sun by using deuterium and tritium. That project that doesn't work, because they cannot contain the heat of the sun in any man made containment unit. I know it violates the law of conversation of energy, but it works for some reason most scientists cannot explain.

[evilblades]

@He101A the it can be explained by a number of things. amongs others miss meassuring.i find no cridible sources that claim cold-fusson creates temperatures at anywhere near the level you claim. furthermore we can contain temperatures at the level of the sun with electro magnetism (even if you do that, it takes way more energy to maintain the field than you can create)

it also violates the 3rd law of thermodynamics. meaning cold fussion = free energy = impossible.

[He101A]

@evilblades People said Einsteins theory of relativity was fantasy. However, after some skeptics did experiments on it, it was found was found to be true. If you don't believe it then do the experiments, and the measurements which I have done. Scientific theories can be re-written, and the skeptics can be proven wrong like so many times in the past.

[evilblades]

@He101A cold fusion is more like the denyers of the theory of relativity. just because belivers are a minority does not make it right!

if 1000 people say the world is flat, and 6 billion say it is round, it does NOT mean that the truth about the flat earth is supressed.

Fleischmann and Pons did bad science, they did not use proper controll, and they keept everything they did secret. when people later copied their experiments scientifically the cold fusion claims were not substained.

[He101A]

@evilblades The deniers are the majority, and the people who tell the truth or know about it are the minority. If you don't think there is a conspiracy to put this down, just read about the petro-dollar.

[evilblades]

@He101A most of the research done is non-corperate and funded by goverment.

your reason for bitching is that the petrol companies dont fund alternative energy? while they are actually among the biggest contributers when it comes to more fuel efficiency and a mayor contributor to energy research, the point is moot.

why would they fund science that physics say is impossible, and lacks even a single case with solid reproducable results.

its ike bitching about the hospitals not funding homeopathy.

[He101A]

@evilblades We have to use oil because oil is traded in dollars. If you don't understand this petrodollar scam, your a moron. Besides, this ponzi game is going to end a few years from now. The dollar will be dead.

[spinozaq]

@He101A "destroys the scientific theory of conservation of energy." I enjoyed your comment, except for this bit. Cold fusion, ( or the competing theory of these things... low energy state hydrogen ) don't violate conservation of energy. ( Then they would really be crackpots!! ) The energy from fusion whether hot or cold comes from mass energy conversion. There's not secret there. The Sun shines, the theory is sound, fusion reactors are purely an engineering problem. Thermodynamics is solid.

[AussiePolitics]

@He101A completely wrong, if coldfusion was possible it would not 'destroy' the law of conservation of mass. how about the coldfusion nuts stop bragging about how great your technology is and actually DO SOMETHING REAL so you can get your nobel prize

[He101A]

@AussiePolitics The US navy conducted successful experiments on cold fusion, so you can doubt it all you want. Sooner or later, they will develop this technology, and it will become mainstream when the oil runs out.

[jaingxu]

Cool video. I hope this saves the worlds energy problems, what a miracle that would be.

[Rockyspoon09]

The first airplanes didn't fly 100% of the times, yet these same critics fly on planes that take off just about every time.

[ThankYouWhiteKnights]

yes good comment we need to be less worried about trying to convince the stubborn/ignorant unimaginative people they are never going to be like a horse easy to lead to water without putting a bullet through their head and dragging them.ha but Tom Bearden also had a great reply about the comment that perpetual motion is not possible yet the galaxy,stars,planets,electrons keep spinning around these so called experts have a trillion perpetual motions going on inside their bodies.Check Dan Winters

[LouistheHedgehog]

I think you have perpetual motion confused with inertia. Yes, all of those celestial bodies are moving on their own, but if you would harness that energy in any way, it would slow them down.

[srosefx]

@ThankYouWhiteKnights conservation of angular momentum, not perpetual motion in the sense of a machine that keeps going.

its like gears, a gear ration of 10:1 connected to a gear ratio pair of 10:1 and connected to another and another etc after ten of these youl find you can turn the gears any more because of friction. the more energy you try to get out the more energy you need to put in.

but these cells work on a chemical energy which is very different.

[ThankYouWhiteKnights]

Dan Winter explains how this perpetual motion happens and zpe & Gravity i got a playlist called UFO TECH around #39 to 42 is Stars and Stones p2,3,4,6. pt 4 at 4minutes 44 seconds where Dan explains why Palladium works, gravity p2 & 3 & 6 Dan had Bruce De Palma living with him at some stage he claims