18) Dona nobis pacem [Kanon] 2004

[909Alli]

o.O nicht so meins.. aber ganz gut gesungen ;)

[layhamTV]

No she wasnt @kingtim3rd .....tge camera was slow.....through the whope show too!!

[kingtim3rd]

the first part the girl was lip-sining

[LadyKay9190]

the soloist looks so nervous. Poor thing...

[UndeadWhore15]

we are singing this but our choir director is having us do the soulfesh or however you pell it we are a symphonic choir and i think the soulfesh sounds better then the words

[nubenta1]

Beautiful video! beautiful music, beautiful angelicals voices!

[BluRemembra]

To everyone, this is obviously a German choir, so the "pacem" is really supposed to be pronounced that way. It'd only be "pah-chem" if they were English-speaking.

[iosonodede]

non è "paZen" è pacem O.O

[superanonima1999]

sing very good!! ii from spain

[10EmoMar10]

i am singing this at my winter concert

[wskfan]

Does anybody know the name of the composer ?

[moehnie1]

@wskfan they mean its from W. Amadeus Mozart

[trompette1000]

c archie nul . la soliste ne souvien pas c note je vois qu'elle a l'aire de s'enmerder !!!!

les choriste bof bof ils s'alerent de ce faire chier

globalement je trouve sa trop nul

[TheYrisse]

@trompette1000 C'est vrai que ça parait nul... Mais en tant que choriste, je peux le dire des fois, le repertoire des chants appris, ne nous convient pas... Il convient juste au prof...Donc je comprend un peu leur réaction...

[Christian100407]

schön diese jungen stimmen!

[Yasemin801]

Das´ voll Gut!

Die stimmen hören sich auch voll schön an!

[Chachboon1]

I'll be honest, I quite enjoyed that.

(Even if they were a bit flat and can't pronounce 'pacem!' LOL!)

[Isabelerffa]

@Chachboon1 hahaha that´s not true. Since "pacem" is Latin, that´s the way it´s SUPPOSED to be pronounced... ;)

[hoobledigga]

@Isabelerffa Actually, that'd the way the ancient Latin says it should be pronounced but the Latin of the church says it should be pronounced pah-chem. Seeing as that's the venue for a mass, I guess they'e doing it wrong... ;)

[portslade2005]

Nice choir!

There was one thing that I noticed; the sound and the video do not seem to go together; there seems to be slight time lag.

Anyway, I enjoyed the video and the music a lot. Thanks.

[mapnic]

It is a moment to celebrate. A group of children singing such a beautiful canon. Please continue to do and may God bless you and your voices!

[MarisolFerraz]

I agree, she sings wonderfully, and so the other children!

[MarisolFerraz]

these children are just great!!! Congrats!!!!!

[TpainPDFR]

this sounds a lot better on cello. sounds horrible with coir. i hate it :D

[blitzchef]

lol voll failed !

[ReAgAnIsMe]

You guys DO realize that the whole video is off from the audio right?

... *sigh*

[littlesabakugirl]

she sounds german....

[464musicjunkie]

is süss=)

macht weiter.

[Roheryn2200]

Die Aufnahme ist einfach nur a-synchron, das ist alles.

[petlover70]

O.o

[fennachagall]

Wer hier rummeckert, dass sein Chor das viel besser singt, hat die Message überhaupt nicht verstanden!!!! Schöne Weihnachten auch denen, die sicher besser sind, aber das auch immer betonen müssen....

[WildHorses55555]

No offense to the girl singing but it really does look like she is lip singing. But I agree with Mtanic. And no offense to those in that choir or the girl, but I have seen much better Choirs sing this song. (my fav is my choir)

[patelbinali643]

I can sing waaaaaaaay better and so does my choir. She is lip sync. Also we will be at the Stone Briar Mall on 12/17/09

[BabyThespy]

What time? Been looking for caroling choirs to go see. You are talking about the mall in Frisco right?

[BioPhreak]

She isn't syncing, the audio and video are not synced that's why. And why do you come on and criticize other people's performances? I'm sure the person didn't post this so everyone can say how they can sing better than her. I think she sings wonderfully!

[scallops55]

Lovely!  Very enjoyable.

[awsomenesscaleb]

Wow. Some major lithp going on.

[angie22493]

all of them down there are haters....

you guys sound wonderful....

[khadijahluv101]

my choir is better when we sing this and it's less of us!

[ZombieBitchFromHell1]

this is shity as hell. i can sing about 1,000,000,000 times better then that. suck shit bitch

[katelynn310790]

i sing it better

[Checkerz300]

it ssems like her mouth doesnt match her words not to critizize though.

[Mtanic]

It's because youtube messed the sync up, probably. It does it all the time.

[arsenal92]

HAVE YOU BRITS EVER HEARD SOME CATHOLIC PERSON SPEAKING LATIN? They are actually pronounciating it correctly :)

I guess that English people sing, "Douna noubis patchem"

THAT'S WRONG

[patelbinali643]

I sing it correctly and i am way better than her!

[bmwoweh62]

die singt vllt mal scheisse!!!

[Testrudi]

Die's wohl 'n bisschen müde gewesn... ; )

[Kimberly121295]

sounds like theres lack of vocal support

[KEMOPA]

@Kimberly121295 or just nervous... i would be too XD

[unicorndolphi]

I sang it in choir and it's a good song. I sang it today because it was almost Rememberance Day

[oohshakeit]

sounds like their saying passem? ^o) fail.

[thelotto09]

@oohshakeit

In German language, their c is pronounced "tseh." Which is probably why pacem sounds like patsem. Don't be ignorant of other languages or cultures.

[beeazy3]

i sang this in the 8thh grade

[awsomestuffbyme]

why cant she pronounce the words properly?? its REALLY annoying !!! i sung thins, im 10, we sung it WAY better!!

[r0xy567]

maybe they all have an accent so it sounds different when they sing it.... lol

[o0BeriiShirayuki0o]

epic fail. xD

[Yanaboo096]

we have to sing this song for my concert next week

[monkeysr6]

i love this song! my choir is having to sing this

[freevideos2009]

es ist  furchtbat

[MissStellinaaa]

dona nobis pacemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[therealsixflags]

Solo unterdurchschnittlich. Wirkt alles unmotiviert und gelangweilt. Keine Ausstrahlung. Und dann auch noch alle in Freizeitklamotten. Uiuiui.

[vonbruman]

Couldn't they have found a girl with a better voice for the solo?

[kaplahhhhh]

I was just going to say what's the German for "that soloist is manky"! How about "Das war sehr schrecklich?"

[tigger46573]

i sing this song in chorus

[unwantedemofreak]

ahhh i gotta sing this for school -_- solo.

[ImSoHosed0]

seriously its pacem or pachen with a ch sound not ts

[lush1609]

we are singing this for mii skool....we r a choir of onlii 11 girls ):

[BeNeath0]

ive been taking latin for 8 years now and the people who think that there is a "tsch" sound in latin really gotta wise up.

[nygviva]

i'm learning this is choir..

[laululintunen]

These girls don´t smile while they sing,. =(

[Smokers1988]

Bah,.. sorry aber das is echt .. nich so der burner ^^ aber ich bin auch verwöhnt....lgm ftw

[lpcdcass]

Un caloroso applauso dalla scuola media di Castenaso (Bologna -Italy). Bravi!!!

[Christstolli]

i thought the latin people didn't know the "c" and it sounded like "k" -> "pakem"...:/

[criscros7]

That's right. I assume what you hear in this cantate is Ecclesiastical Latin (Kirchenlatein), which can be distinguished from classical Latin by (among other things) an Italianate pronounciation.

[jschubart]

In Classical Latin "c" is always hard, so "pacem" would be prounounced "PAH-KEM".

In German "c" is like "ts". So "pacem" sounds like "PAH-TSEM", as in this video.

The Italians say "PAH-CHEM" because that's the way "c" is pronounced in Italian.

Roman Catholics In the USA follow the Italian pronunciation.

And then there's the kind of Latin pronunciation favored by lawyers and English dons. They would probably say "PAY-CHEM".

[wcbroccoli]

The comment by jschubart is completely accurate and properly addresses those who stubbornly (and incorrectly) insist that these singers are mispronouncing "pacem".

So will the person(s) who thumbed his comment down, please explain why you did so.

If you disagree with a comment, don't just punch the thumbs down button. Explain yourself !

[Dennih97]

beautiful voice !!

[OpaHeinz25]

das is zusammen geschnitten xD die hat bestimmt gerufen FICKT MICH

[PitPauke]

Wenn Dummheit weh täte, dann würdest Du den ganzen Tag lang laut und kläglich schreien!! Vor Dir würde selbst mein Hund das Lachen anfangen und der steigt sonst über alles drüber!!??

[matthewf335]

Can there be a sweeter sound than children's voices lifted in praise to God our Father?

[Kraviotho]

beautiful girl !! beautiful music!!!

[wHisP3rmov]

ich (ver)beuge mich deiner argumentation. danke für die klarstellung. was also wäre nun richtig für einen Gospelchor in zürich? (damit es nicht zu unnötigen aufregern kommt?) ich werde es dann unserem chor grad mitteilen. danke

[wHisP3rmov]

Selten ein so guten Chor gehört. Wenn die anderen Kommentare auch über die Aussprache oder die mangelnde Synchronisation labbern: Mein persönlicher Respekt für ein solches Arrangement. Dieser Schülerchor zeigt einen guten Auftritt und es ist zu hoffen, dass weitere Chöre sich so engagieren.

Danke für dieses Video.

[wHisP3rmov]

Noch eine eigene Anmerkung: Die Lautsprache PAZEM oder PATSCHEM ist natürlich je nach Land unterschiedlich. Da dies ein Lateinisches Lied ist und kein Englisches, ist die Betonung für den deutschsprachigen Raum korrekt.

[abulach]

so stimmt das nicht. die aussprache patschem ist die ecclesische wiedergabe des klassischem. In der Anfangsphase der Kirche, orientierte sich der coloquiale Gebrauch der Sprache in der Kirche mehr an der unterschicht als an der Aristokratie. Im klassischen Gebrach waere es pakem ausgeschprochen. In Latein gibt es also doch vorgegebene ausspruchsformeln

[leberborzi]

siralmas.

[angelbab345]

it was good but it seemed lyk she wasnt singin

lyk she was lip singin

but it was good

i liked it a lot

lol

[bigbearbooker]

actually there is something very endearing about her voice. I really love it! But what's funny is that this seems like a big deal....high density camera, big audience, gorgeous venue. So WHY ARE THEY ALL DRESSED LIKE THEY ARE COMING FROM A FOOTBALL GAME???? Even the lead is wearing JEANS!!!!! WTF??

[wHisP3rmov]

Korrekt, aber einen Schulchor für einen anscheinend einmaligen Auftritt einzukleiden ist halt nicht überall möglich. Schade eigentlich. Aber sind wir doch froh, dass Kids sich zu einem solchen guten Auftritt motivieren lassen.

[charliieh51291]

actually pa-kem

not pazem or pachem

its latin ..

[JOSHuWACK]

no, I am doing this song for my songfest and it is spelled cem but pronounced chem. you got the latin part right though!!!

[azzytheoriginal]

since no living person actually heard an ancient roman speak latin, nobody knows how the right pronuciation sounds. The same thing with ancient greek, hebrew or aramaeic.

[jaimedianburns]

its pacem not patem

[azzytheoriginal]

Sorry, but... what the hell do you mean by that?

I very well know that it's pacem, it's all about the pronounciation of the "c"

[barton19911991]

she right your a fool for thinking its patem its pacem pronounsed pa ch em i beleave

[azzytheoriginal]

how do you all come to thinking, that I think it's "patem" ? Please, please tell me! I just mean thet the latin pronounciation of the "C" is unclear, because nobody who could tell us about it is alive.

[jschubart]

No.

They are correctly singing "PAH-TSEM"

because in German "c" is like "ts".

The Italians would say "PAH-CHEM" because that's how "c" is pronounced in Italian.

In the USA, choral groups singing Latin works tend to imitate the Italian pronunciation, even when singing Latin works written for German churches!

And lawyers and English dons would say "PAY-CHEM".

And if you were studying Classical Latin, you'd say "PAH-KEM".

[jschubart]

Just as English is pronounced differently in different English speaking countries, so is Latin. Even in the days of the Roman Empire, Latin was pronounced differently according to locality. Even within ancient Rome, Latin was pronounced differently according to class.

[amariek2]

Excellent point but perhaps not the most relevant. This canon dates from the time of medieval ecclesiastical Latin, so most likely after the fall of the Roman Empire and certainly not during the Republic...

[jschubart]

My point is most relevant, whatever the date of the canon. Even in medieval times, Latin pronunciation varied by country, ALWAYS influenced by the vernacular. Latin (including church Latin), like English, has NEVER had a universal pronunciation.

As for the date of the canon, the style of the melody is late 18th c., NOT medieval. The M6th and m7th intervals of this melody were completely foreign to the aesthetic of the Middle Ages but very common in Mozart's time.

[wcbroccoli]

jschubart is right.

[abulach]

no thats wrong. shes singing ecclesial latin, therefore her pronunciatin is correct

[stephx914]

thats not even how the song goes.

idiots.

[shirarasunami]

it's the germanic pronounciation you guys. and the video is out of synch with the audio.

[dect95]

she cant she cant sing to save her self !! she just made a lovely song horrible !! grrr

[DrmmrDude93]

omfg! it's pronouces pah-CHEM not pa-tsem

[JOSHuWACK]

you are right!!!

[Ducksrock1012]

? Is she even singing it?

[JOSHuWACK]

no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!