@Seymour13 YES, watching the smile leave his face was priceless. If Bill Maher would have laughed instead of sitting there in horror Pryor would have never known what his foot tastes like. “Why isn’t Bill laughing?, thinking thinking thinking….. oh shit.” It was embarrassing to watch.
I am sixteen and I am pagan and Laveyan Satanist. I've lived in Arkansas all my short life and it is a great land with terrible people in it. The people of Arkansas are also dead to me. Matt Dillahunty somewhat looks like Anton Lavey btw.
@dex1391 I pointed out the most important difference, which was not age, but that it doesn't have a working brain, or consciousness, meaning ability to meaningfully process its world.
@dex1391 If you applied those same characteristics to a child they'd be brain dead. You would probably pull the plug. A troll is a person who posts something provocative to start an argument, like someone who posts a pro-life comment on a video from The Atheist Experience that has nothing to do with abortion.
@dex1391 You don't "only" post about abortion, you talk about it or you don't. If you just didn't know what to expect, I think you should find people who are used to it and see how they treat each other.
Now, whether a child is braindead or not is falsifiable. It's a good fact to know. But the trick is to phrase that as a question. Let me know if you find out what the medical definition of braindead is and whether the state of the mid-term fetus's brain is closer to that or a newborn's.
Proposition 9. All religious subhumans must be either gassed with carbon monoxide or given a lethal dose of barbiturates and dumped in a heap to turn to oil. Religion will solve the energy crisis. 5 billion corpses turns to a lot of oil. Vote prop 9 and save Humans.
Use your God given intuition: who shows a higher consciousness level? who kills or who respects life?, who steal or who share? who enslave or who frees? who envy or who love? who is selfish or who is selfless? who is materialistic or who is spiritual?. We are due to move to the next consciousness level by rejecting all materialism and selfishness. Those were Jesus teachings, which atheism reject. God will act, and anyone that refuse to move may be expendable. Open your eyes before is too late.
@dex1391 How dare you? I'm pro-choice too. Do you think I want people dead? Do you think I hate children? I bet you do, but you're an ignorant ass. Nobody wants abortions to happen, but think about what it would be like without them. It's a necessary evil. That is what the vast majority of America thinks. You're another internet tough guy, but I guarantee you wouldn't say this shit to my face or anyone else's. How dare you slander me like that? You're a coward and a charlatan.
@dex1391 Are you going to pay for all the unwanted children than? Are you going to feed them all and love them. True it might save them as a fetus from death, but what about when they are older? Is it better for an abortion to occur or for a child to either die from neglect, suicide, or be emotionally/mentally damaged for the rest of their lives? Is it better that they are forced to be passed from home to home in the adoption/foster care system?
@dex1391 Instead abortions would be performed back alley. Women and fetuses alike would die. People would take drugs, use coat hangers, or any number of ways to perform abortions, because they would be desperate. So it really wouldn't solve the problem of babies dying.
I am pro-choice. I wish that no abortions happened, that every fetus was perfect, that all of them were wanted, that all of them would grow up to be happy. However that isn't what reality says will happen.
Simply not true and there's no reason to believe that it would be true. The "coat hanger" image is nothing more than scare tactics to keep the ritual legal.
The truth is that before R v W there wasn't a problem with back alley abortions and there's no reason to believe that there would ever be.
I mean seriously i've been in bickering matches to esp with sister but i definitely would never resort to calling her names out of respect.. even though i may want to . i know that will not be effective at all. I've been in a fight with her for 8 years over something that happened. trust me the hate bickering eats at you. when i talked to her calmly aboiut it . it resolved and we liek each other now:) have a wonderful day everyone xoxox :) happiness to all
ok this is off the subject but I'm going to say it.What is wrong with everybody on these trolls. There is so much undiplomatic and disrespectful bickering and fighting. Come on everybody we are adults let's behave like it. Simple anomity shouldn't be an excuse for bad behavior . Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you should call them names like stupid idiot and thick skulled and stuff liek that. Come on were adults here:)
lol i'm just applying your logic buddy. you've been applying strawman with every single post you've made. case in point- i've never said that i support abortion, yet you say "Can't defend abortion so have to make shit up" like that's what i've been trying to do when in fact i've never done this. i mean, seriously, you can't be this retarded can you?
Strawman and ad hominem. Typical pro-abortionist. You can't defend your position. Therefore you insult others. You are pathetic and deep down everyone knows that abortion is wrong.
@dex1391 lol no, the logical fallacies riddled throughout your posts are absurd (and hilarious) and no matter what points i make you'll just come back with the same retarded shit you've been saying all day without trying to back it up with any logic. basically, it's pointless.
@dex1391 i know you have no point bro, you've proved that. i was never defending abortion numbnuts, just people's rights to make their own decisions. of course you'll just disregard this, and make something up, which you tend to do lolz.
@dex1391 or maybe some people don't think the government should be telling people what they can do with their bodies. would you not support abortion if it were a 16 year old rape victim?
@dex1391@dex1391 I don't know anyone who is pro-abortion. I have yet to meet anyone who wants abortions to happen. I am pro-choice. Which means I am for people having the right to choose to have an abortion but I would still prefer if they never had to be preformed due to there being no undesired pregnancies. I've heard Matt express similar sentiments.
I fail to see how the abortion debate applies here though in a way that would make the hosts hypocrites.
You're not pro-choice... you're pro abortion. You certainly don't want to give the child a choice. You simply want him or her dead.
And this idiot is a hypocrite. He's talking about protecting children... how can anyone that is pro-abortion say something like that and not be a hypocrite?
@dex1391 Wow! So you know my views better than I do somehow then.
No, I am pro-choice. The choice is the mother's whose body will be required to sustain the cells that if allowed to grow could form a child, but at the time abortion is considered that group of cells is far from being an independent organism and incapable of having consciousness, let alone choice.
I suggest you learn about other people's position before you blindly try to denounce them.
@dex1391 That's some thick skull you have there. I've explained to you quite plainly that it is about the mother's right to choose. Emphasis on "mother". If you still can't get it then I'm afraid you've just been lost to the same depths of stupidity as Nephilimfree, VenomFangX, and Glen Beck.
Unless you can bring something to the table other than your unfounded assertions, then I am done feeding this troll.
Emphasis on mother. I get it. You don't care if the baby dies. Well guess what. Some of us actually do care about the welfare of children. some of us actually feel that children deserve to be protected.
Don't punish the child because you made a mistake. Killing a human baby isn't the answer.
You simply cannot justify this ritual... no matter how much you'd like to try.
Others have tried... all have failed. You're no different. You're not special.
@FireDragons42 whoa, my friend you and fire dragons , need to treat each other respectfully when you argue. I don't like seeing people slinging mud at each othe even on trollsr. just chill ok. I said the same to him. Have a good day:)
Hey idiot, ever hear of an eptopic pregnacy? If a pregnacy of this kind goes on both mother and child die. An abortion is the only cure in this case. Abortions are only done when nessesary, moron. It doesn't take much brainpower to think about this you know. Your definition of abortion is supported by the bible though.
hey retard... 94% of all abortions are done on completely viable CHILDREN. Saying that abortions are only done when necessary is a lie and makes you a worthless liar. Do some reading... if you can.
As a matter of fact... here's the post from that site... Interesting.
Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).
@dex1391 "Social reasons" is a mischaracterization. There are economic reasons, like not being able to support a child, personal reasons like not being able to raise a child, circumstances of your environment that make raising a child there obviously a bad idea. If they simply don't want to raise a child, that's not something people do to get along in society, it's something they do because they don't want to be a parent. It's not something everyone can handle.
@dex1391 Killing a child & not having a child are two different things. If you think that early-term fetuses are children, consult a cell biologist, neurologist, or developmental psychologist to better inform yourself of the differences. People have different opinions about whether each of those reasons are good enough. People. Different opinions. Different people.
And even if it were... it's still not a good enough reason to allow the slaughter of children.
Would you murder an 8 year old child with congenital insensitivity to pain if they fell asleep? The child would be unconscious and wouldn't be able to feel pain.
So murder is ok if they can't feel it and don't see it coming right?
@dex1391 My research was bad. Until term, the brain usually isn't developed enough for the baby to survive. The first parts of the brain appear at ~4.5 weeks. That doesn't mean they're grown or related to consciousness.
It's not murder if they're not capable of conscious thought. Being asleep and having no consciousness are as far from eachother as possible. Sleep is an activity of consciousness. An 8 year-old is not a fetus. A 0 year-old isn't. See "Histogram of abortions by gestational age."
@dex1391 A 0 year-old is not comparable to a mid-term fetus. They are quite clearly a world apart. Now, I've spent plenty of my time looking up the things you were too stubborn and lazy to figure out for yourself. I'm not your slave, and your opinion doesn't matter to me if you couldn't care about it enough to look for any of information you'd need to see whether you were right or not. It took me some effort, yeah, it wasn't quick to check these things. But that's your job, not mine.
No you're not a slave. You're simply a monster that seems to think it's ok to murder a child.
Your opinion is irrelevant. It's wrong. It's evil. You simply cannot take the life of a child and expect anyone with half a brain to think that it's ok.
Every "argument" you can throw out gets completely diffused when attaching that to a born child. pain, consciousness, and so on.
@dex1391 I answered every complaint you've just posted, so obviously you aren't giving my responses any thought. You're not carrying on a conversation, you're just listening to yourself talk.
No you didn't. Answer my question. Can you name one unborn child attribute that if you attached to a child after birth would make it ok to kill that baby?
@dex1391 Read carefully the comment beginning with, "When I talk about consciousness..." Take each statement and apply it to a child. This would be a child with a defective brain. Brains don't go from complete brain to complete brain. That is, if you keep taking the baby out & putting it back you're not going to see an EFFECTIVE fly brain, then a mouse brain, then a dog brain, until it reaches the complexity of a human. That's at the beginning of the 3rd trimester. Now, look at the histogram.
@dex1391 You keep saying "I'll assume I've won," and that's for your pride. If you want to argue an issue with other people you have to have humility, or no one else will tolerate you, and if you do it again I won't either.
LOL nice strawman. I never said I won. I said if you can't answer the question then I have to assume that the answer is no. That you cannot give me an answer. Trying to turn it around on me isn't going to work.
@dex1391 Oh, I see, one of my posts went missing. You said I didn't answer your question by saying what I said. I believe I did, so you have to explain why I didn't or I have no idea what your problem with it is. You might as well be saying "nuh-uh." And yes, saying, "I'll assume you can't respond," is the exact same thing as saying, "I assume I win."
@dex1391 A child has a working, complete brain, which allows it to meaningfully process the world (therefore, a child is conscious) and survive if born at that time. A mid-term fetus does not have a working, complete brain, therefore it's not able to meaningfully process the world, and therefore it isn't conscious. Also, since its brain does not work, 50% or more of these brains will die if born.
So as I said.. The only thing that you can come up with... is age. The only reason that you find that it's ok to murder an unborn child... is because he or she is younger.
@dex1391 Now who's making a straw man? I said I don't think something whose brain hasn't grown enough for it to survive is not an animal. That's not discriminating against their age, it's discriminating between the child an outgrowth of the parent.
And the only reason that the brain is undersized is because of age. That's age discrimination. Nothing more nothing less. You are a horribly immoral person.
@dex1391 You make it sound like it's just a little bit small. It doesn't work. It's not a dumber human, it's simply not capable of interacting with the world. It's not even functional for weeks after the period I'm talking about starts, but even then almost no one performs abortions once the period starts. We have the term "late-term abortion" specifically to identify those performed in the 3rd trimester, where the gray area STARTS. Again, look at the histogram, which has a tailed distribution.
You were given a challenge to name one thing that an unborn child has that you could give to a born child that would make it ok to kill that baby... and all you could come up with is age.
sorry but that's not good enough. An innocent child deserves to be protected from monsters like you.
@dex1391 It doesn't have a working brain. Over time it will grow one, as of yet, it's not something you can murder. Having a brain is important for saying whether the fetus is a person or not.
@dex1391 Changing from saying "age" to "young" doesn't help. Saying it's about age is changing my words to something flawed, not proving that what I ACTUALLY said was flawed. That's the exact definition of a straw man argument. You're attacking a straw man who says it's okay to kill kids because they're young, not the real person saying that killing something that can't think yet isn't murder.
How about your degree in isolating yourself from people who disagree with you by demonizing them? If you call your mother a whore does she give you your iPod back?
@dex1391 Children have brains that work, and personalities. Children think and feel and do stuff. Fetuses don't. Fetuses aren't children, and if you kill a fetus you're not killing a child.
@dex1391 If it's not a child yet, there's nothing that makes it bad. What gives you the right to post on the internet? Your degree in logical equivalence?
@dex1391 Your complaint that I base it on age also applies to sperm & egg cells. Killing those should be equally horrible if you're willing to say killing a fetus is as horrible as killing a child. There's a logical point for the continuum from fertilized egg to child to be morally regioned, and that's not once it has eyes or looks humanoid, it's when there's an actual thinking being inside there.
@dex1391 Also, read what the uploader was saying before you decided to ignore him. No one likes abortions. All I'm saying is that it's not a child being killed. It's a potential child that you're preventing from becoming one.
I'll make it easy for you. Can you name one unborn child attribute... that if you attached to a child after birth... would make it ok to kill that baby?
If you can't... all you're left with is the fact that the unborn child is younger than the born child.
@dex1391 When I talk about consciousness I mean being able to attach meaning to sensations. A halfway finished brain cannot do that. We need the time we take to gestate. Rapid brain growth begins at 27 weeks. This is when the fetus becomes viable, as well (more than 50% chance of survival). It's the beginning of the 3rd trimester. Please look up exponential growth to see why rapid brain growth is more significant than the start of brain growth.
So if an adult... can't feel it's ok to murder that adult. There's no way you're ever going to convince me that it's ok to kill a child... unborn or born.
That child is innocent and has done no harm to anyone.
@dex1391 no, i think that christians are the one who want to limit people's freedoms because of their misplaces values. i'm not pro-abortion, i abstain from voting on the issue, but i don't think the government should be the ones regulating it. if abortion is murder, is a miscarriage manslaughter?
@dex1391 whoa whoa, when did i kill a baby? you're clearly retarded because you can't see the difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion. i've never heard of anyone being pro abortion. have fun worshipping your mass-murdering, baby killing rapist of a god tho.
I see life the same way that biology does. An unborn child is alive. That is a fact. It is a viable life.
Why would you killing yourself be a bad thing? You've had some life on this earth. You think it's ok to kill a child so what's wrong with an adult taking their own life.
@dex1391 so is a sperm life? does masturbating constitute abortion? i never said killing a child wasn't wrong. you, however, seem to support intentional life-ending. which means you must support murder of all kinds (right?) which means that you clearly support killing babies. tell me, how long can you go before your craving to kill babies takes over?
and you are for killing people. you just supported my death. and i have taken biology classes. what's your point? are you going to make any points or just say "baby killer" over and over again? i hope you don't take this the wrong way, but you might be too retarded to function. you're thinking about it right now, aren't you? all those babies out there that you'd rather be killing.
@dex1391 except that you are for killing people, youve openly supported it. and just because i dont fully condemn something, doesnt mean i condone it. i dont condone abortion, but i think there's too much grey area involved to outright outlaw it. and i am not using strawman you are actually. you made the leap from prochoice to proaboriton and made the connection that all prochoice people are baby killers. i'm just using your admitted position (supporting suicide) and using your own logic on it.
@dex1391 you do support suicide, you've already admitted to that openly. and everything is not as simple as condemn or condone, life isn't that black and white moron. your logic is incredibly flawed and quite stupid.
@dex1391 i never said suicide was worse than abortion. all i'm saying is that you are in full support of suicide. and, by your logic, that means that you fully support all intentional life-endings. this must be obvious because, as you say, there is only black and white, you are either for someones life ending intentionally by unnatural means or you're not. you are for it. so when was the last time you killed a baby, baby-killer?
@dex1391 are you against war? are you against the death penalty? if not you are the hypocrite, I'm saying this because a lot of the "pro-life" tend to support this.
Independently of this, you are a self righteous imbecile, people that are pro-choice think that abortion is a lesser evil, don' presume to know what others think.
Abortion was a legal procedure in case of rape, deformity and risk of death.
And don't come with that "killing a human" because they are not, they are embryos at that time.
@dex1391 See how self righteous and deluded you are, I'm anti abortion, see how you simple start accusing people without any knowledge of what they rely think.
Don't see where is the red herrings here, or is it just that you can't admit your own hypocrisy?
And no, its not killing a human, just because you want it doesn't make it so... biological fact? are you kidding me? go get an education before you start disgorging absurdities.
@dex1391 See how self righteous and deluded you are, I'm anti abortion, see how you simple start accusing people without any knowledge of what they rely think.
Don't see where is the red herrings here, or is it just that you can't admit your own hypocrisy?
And no, its not killing a human, just because you want it doesn't make it so... biological fact? are you kidding me? go get an education before you start disgorging absurdities.
@dex1391 While I do share their belief that (early-term) abortion should be legal, I do not advocate callousness towards abortion. I agree with you in spirit in some respects; the unborn child needs to be considered. At the end of the day, I think if it doesn't have a potential for consciousness it shouldn't be considered more sacred than an inanimate object, BUT, unlike many who are in favor of abortion legality, I do NOT consider this an OBVIOUS conclusion and do not blame you for disagreeing.
Why should they give a crap about the welfare of anyone? Isn't it better to screw over a whole bunch of good people just to spread their own ignorance? I doubt those kids had a vote in this..... Not that it matters. It's not their own kids who will suffer.
An Atheist from Arkansas.... Not all of us Arkies think like that, but I do get so fed up with religious nutts so I can totally understand how u feel.....
@NewportBagel you said, "very insulting calling my own people backward redneck morons"
Name calling aside, Matt has a very good point. The law he is talking about does not help any one, it only hurts. It almost ensures that less children will be adopted. And in the middle of this point you are concerned about being called names because it hurts your feelings.
I think the children Matt is talking about have more to lose than just having their feelings hurt.
Sounds like these idiots are bigoted toward religion because they know it is a major obstacle to their perverted mental illness. You must do all you can to wipe it out!!
No thats like saying black people are all criminals because some break the law,attacking arkansas without pointing out that he wasnt refering to everyone just those who voted for the unjust law is plain wrong and prejudiced because it can be interpreted so.
I am so disappointed that the African American community chose to INSTITUTE prejudice and bigotry in California. For a minority that was subject to a very similar restriction just 43 years earlier (blacks could not marry whites in most states before the Supreme Court ruling calling the laws against interracial marriage as unconstitutional)! Wake up and see that the same bigoted creeps who tired to keep your community in it's place are now doing it to another maligned minority group, gays!
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Retarded... I have had very few problems with the Atheist Experience show, but homosexuality is plain gross. Why do the fags care if they get their little piece of paper?
@NewVinland The paper is irrelevant, it's the rights that go with the paper that are important. What is written on the paper is what gives couples rights to joint ownership, visitation rights in hospitals and in the event of unfortunate circumstances the right to make decisions on behalf of an incapacitated loved one.
As for the "gross factor", I find the idea of eating blue cheese gross. Does that mean no one should have a right to eat it if they like it?
You know something, I agree; I have caught glimpses of male on male gay porn and it really grossed me out. Here is the thing....so what? I imagine watching you bang whatever cow excuse for a partner you might have would be equally upsetting & 'gross' to witness. Does that mean you shouldn't be allowed to marry her or bang whomever no matter how disgusting to witness it would be?
We will stay out of your bedroom, you stay out of theirs
@NewVinland really?! you really think it's right to eliminate people's rights because you think homosexuality is "gross"! are you like 12 years old, mentally retarded, a mormon, or just a hateful bigot? either way, people like you are despicable.
@bzman149 Rights? Where does the constitution say queers have a right to marry? They have no right as such... Homosexual relationships are not healthy. Tearing anal tissue, AIDS more likely to spread, etc. It is bad news for society.
@NewVinland are you fucking kidding me? what about "all men are created equal"? that idea in itself should say that every citizen should have the same rights. don't bring up the constitution because it obvious that you don't really care about the constitution, you just want to make a special pleading with respect to gay people because they are "gross".
and by the way, you can catch all kinds diseases with straight sex also, it's not just the gays.
Another thing that I havent seen mentioned to you: straight people have anal sex also; it's not just gays. AIDS is not exclusive to gays, as much as you may want that to be true, and you are a fucking bigot. You fucks hide behind an archaic, barbaric bronze aged text to justify your own irrational prejudice. I wouldnt be surprised if you were a self hating closet gay, taking out the anger you feel for yourself that was imposed by religion on others. Pathetic & sad.
@sakar181 Anal sex is not healthy for anyone to have. Homosexuals are more likely to get AIDS. Why do you think they are not allowed to donate blood. No one is talking about bronze age texts here. There are practical reasons to oppose it. It is funny that this trick is used to call anyone gay who is in opposition. That does not address any points to do so. Logical fallacy. Epic fail
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lindamedal 2 days ago
You don't have to pas an IQ test to be in the senate: Senator Mark Pryor of Arkansas.
EatMAndSml 2 months ago 4
@EatMAndSml
Best part was that it took him aprox. 6 seconds to realize he pwned himself with that remark ;).
Seymour13 1 month ago
@Seymour13 YES, watching the smile leave his face was priceless. If Bill Maher would have laughed instead of sitting there in horror Pryor would have never known what his foot tastes like. “Why isn’t Bill laughing?, thinking thinking thinking….. oh shit.” It was embarrassing to watch.
EatMAndSml 1 month ago
I am sixteen and I am pagan and Laveyan Satanist. I've lived in Arkansas all my short life and it is a great land with terrible people in it. The people of Arkansas are also dead to me. Matt Dillahunty somewhat looks like Anton Lavey btw.
TheTruebloodline 3 months ago
The only difference between an unborn child and a born child is age. The fact is that no one can deny that...
The fact is that it's wrong to kill these children.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 I pointed out the most important difference, which was not age, but that it doesn't have a working brain, or consciousness, meaning ability to meaningfully process its world.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
What part of fuck of troll do you not get?
None of those are good enough reasons to kill someone. If you applied those same qualities to a born child... you wouldn't kill that baby.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 If you applied those same characteristics to a child they'd be brain dead. You would probably pull the plug. A troll is a person who posts something provocative to start an argument, like someone who posts a pro-life comment on a video from The Atheist Experience that has nothing to do with abortion.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
NO... an unborn child isn't brain dead. If you'd kill a baby because his or her brain is under developed.. you'd be a murdering piece of shit.
I only posted about abortion because these idiots are hypocrites...
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 You don't "only" post about abortion, you talk about it or you don't. If you just didn't know what to expect, I think you should find people who are used to it and see how they treat each other.
Now, whether a child is braindead or not is falsifiable. It's a good fact to know. But the trick is to phrase that as a question. Let me know if you find out what the medical definition of braindead is and whether the state of the mid-term fetus's brain is closer to that or a newborn's.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
You would NOT kill a baby that had those same characteristics.
The ONLY difference between the two... age.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 Rinse. Repeat.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
I take it that you agree with me.
dex1391 3 months ago
god is pro abortion - WITH A FRIKKIN' SWORD!!!
gisbrei 3 months ago
Proposition 9. All religious subhumans must be either gassed with carbon monoxide or given a lethal dose of barbiturates and dumped in a heap to turn to oil. Religion will solve the energy crisis. 5 billion corpses turns to a lot of oil. Vote prop 9 and save Humans.
699backstab 4 months ago
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Use your God given intuition: who shows a higher consciousness level? who kills or who respects life?, who steal or who share? who enslave or who frees? who envy or who love? who is selfish or who is selfless? who is materialistic or who is spiritual?. We are due to move to the next consciousness level by rejecting all materialism and selfishness. Those were Jesus teachings, which atheism reject. God will act, and anyone that refuse to move may be expendable. Open your eyes before is too late.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@dex1391 How dare you? I'm pro-choice too. Do you think I want people dead? Do you think I hate children? I bet you do, but you're an ignorant ass. Nobody wants abortions to happen, but think about what it would be like without them. It's a necessary evil. That is what the vast majority of America thinks. You're another internet tough guy, but I guarantee you wouldn't say this shit to my face or anyone else's. How dare you slander me like that? You're a coward and a charlatan.
xJoeEDangerouslyx 5 months ago
@xJoeEDangerouslyx
Think about what it would be like without abortions? WE'D HAVE LESS DEAD BABIES ... IDIOT!
That's not what the vast majority of America thinks. And even if it were... it wouldn't make abortion moral.
I say this to anyone anywhere... I'm not slandering you. You're a worthless baby killer. I have no problem telling you that.
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 Are you going to pay for all the unwanted children than? Are you going to feed them all and love them. True it might save them as a fetus from death, but what about when they are older? Is it better for an abortion to occur or for a child to either die from neglect, suicide, or be emotionally/mentally damaged for the rest of their lives? Is it better that they are forced to be passed from home to home in the adoption/foster care system?
Also making abortions illegal won't stop them.
BlindWithoutLimits 4 months ago
@BlindWithoutLimits
I see... so it comes down to money for you? You're ok with dead babies cuz it might cost you a few dollars.
Wow... that's horrible.
And yes... making abortions illegal would stop them... There's no reason to believe it wouldn't.
dex1391 4 months ago
@dex1391 Instead abortions would be performed back alley. Women and fetuses alike would die. People would take drugs, use coat hangers, or any number of ways to perform abortions, because they would be desperate. So it really wouldn't solve the problem of babies dying.
I am pro-choice. I wish that no abortions happened, that every fetus was perfect, that all of them were wanted, that all of them would grow up to be happy. However that isn't what reality says will happen.
BlindWithoutLimits 4 months ago
@BlindWithoutLimits
Simply not true and there's no reason to believe that it would be true. The "coat hanger" image is nothing more than scare tactics to keep the ritual legal.
The truth is that before R v W there wasn't a problem with back alley abortions and there's no reason to believe that there would ever be.
dex1391 4 months ago
I mean seriously i've been in bickering matches to esp with sister but i definitely would never resort to calling her names out of respect.. even though i may want to . i know that will not be effective at all. I've been in a fight with her for 8 years over something that happened. trust me the hate bickering eats at you. when i talked to her calmly aboiut it . it resolved and we liek each other now:) have a wonderful day everyone xoxox :) happiness to all
casablanca4381 5 months ago
ok this is off the subject but I'm going to say it.What is wrong with everybody on these trolls. There is so much undiplomatic and disrespectful bickering and fighting. Come on everybody we are adults let's behave like it. Simple anomity shouldn't be an excuse for bad behavior . Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you should call them names like stupid idiot and thick skulled and stuff liek that. Come on were adults here:)
casablanca4381 5 months ago
lol i'm just applying your logic buddy. you've been applying strawman with every single post you've made. case in point- i've never said that i support abortion, yet you say "Can't defend abortion so have to make shit up" like that's what i've been trying to do when in fact i've never done this. i mean, seriously, you can't be this retarded can you?
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
LOl no... You aren't applying any logic. You are using logical fallacies to avoid taking responsibility for your beliefs.
You think that abortion is ok. That makes you pro-abortion... it also makes you just as responsible for those deaths... as the women and doctors.
So how AREN'T you a baby killer?
So don't hide from what you are. Be proud of being an inhuman piece of filth.
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 lol you're too stupid and thick to even hold a conversation with. later kiddo.
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
Strawman and ad hominem. Typical pro-abortionist. You can't defend your position. Therefore you insult others. You are pathetic and deep down everyone knows that abortion is wrong.
Denying that makes you evil.
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 lol no, the logical fallacies riddled throughout your posts are absurd (and hilarious) and no matter what points i make you'll just come back with the same retarded shit you've been saying all day without trying to back it up with any logic. basically, it's pointless.
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
Thank you for proving my point. Nothing. You can't defend abortion because it's beyond defending. It's simply wrong to take an innocent life.
Feel free to come back with more stupidity. It'll only further the fact that I'm right.
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 i know you have no point bro, you've proved that. i was never defending abortion numbnuts, just people's rights to make their own decisions. of course you'll just disregard this, and make something up, which you tend to do lolz.
sagerbj86 5 months ago
Aren't these the same PRO-ABORTION idiots?
Wow... what hypocrites..
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 pro-choice is not pro-abortion idiot.
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
There's no such thing as pro-choice... idiot. Only pro-abortion...
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 wrong.
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
I'm not wrong. There's no such thing as pro-choice...
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 or maybe some people don't think the government should be telling people what they can do with their bodies. would you not support abortion if it were a 16 year old rape victim?
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
I certainly don't believe that the government should be condoning the extermination of children.
So a rape victim huh. Pathetic. you hang your hat on an emotional plea when that accounts for less than 1% of all abortions.
If you found out that you were the product of rape would you be ok if the Government killed you?
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 @dex1391 I don't know anyone who is pro-abortion. I have yet to meet anyone who wants abortions to happen. I am pro-choice. Which means I am for people having the right to choose to have an abortion but I would still prefer if they never had to be preformed due to there being no undesired pregnancies. I've heard Matt express similar sentiments.
I fail to see how the abortion debate applies here though in a way that would make the hosts hypocrites.
FireDragons42 5 months ago
@FireDragons42
You're not pro-choice... you're pro abortion. You certainly don't want to give the child a choice. You simply want him or her dead.
And this idiot is a hypocrite. He's talking about protecting children... how can anyone that is pro-abortion say something like that and not be a hypocrite?
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 Wow! So you know my views better than I do somehow then.
No, I am pro-choice. The choice is the mother's whose body will be required to sustain the cells that if allowed to grow could form a child, but at the time abortion is considered that group of cells is far from being an independent organism and incapable of having consciousness, let alone choice.
I suggest you learn about other people's position before you blindly try to denounce them.
FireDragons42 5 months ago 5
@FireDragons42
No you're not. You're definitely not pro-choice. What choice do you want to give to the child? Die. That's not much of a choice.
All you want to do is make sure that it's ok to murder an innocent child before he or she takes their first breath.
dex1391 5 months ago
@FireDragons42
You're not pro-choice. There's no such thing as pro-choice.
What CHOICE are you giving the child?
NONE.
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 That's some thick skull you have there. I've explained to you quite plainly that it is about the mother's right to choose. Emphasis on "mother". If you still can't get it then I'm afraid you've just been lost to the same depths of stupidity as Nephilimfree, VenomFangX, and Glen Beck.
Unless you can bring something to the table other than your unfounded assertions, then I am done feeding this troll.
FireDragons42 5 months ago 2
@FireDragons42
Emphasis on mother. I get it. You don't care if the baby dies. Well guess what. Some of us actually do care about the welfare of children. some of us actually feel that children deserve to be protected.
Don't punish the child because you made a mistake. Killing a human baby isn't the answer.
You simply cannot justify this ritual... no matter how much you'd like to try.
Others have tried... all have failed. You're no different. You're not special.
dex1391 5 months ago
@FireDragons42 whoa, my friend you and fire dragons , need to treat each other respectfully when you argue. I don't like seeing people slinging mud at each othe even on trollsr. just chill ok. I said the same to him. Have a good day:)
casablanca4381 5 months ago
@dex1391
Hey idiot, ever hear of an eptopic pregnacy? If a pregnacy of this kind goes on both mother and child die. An abortion is the only cure in this case. Abortions are only done when nessesary, moron. It doesn't take much brainpower to think about this you know. Your definition of abortion is supported by the bible though.
NUTCASE71733 4 months ago
@NUTCASE71733
hey retard... 94% of all abortions are done on completely viable CHILDREN. Saying that abortions are only done when necessary is a lie and makes you a worthless liar. Do some reading... if you can.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391
And did you kno that 90% of all statistics are made up? Provide a source or shut up.
NUTCASE71733 3 months ago
@NUTCASE71733
try abortion no dot org.. It has many abortion stats and are all backed up with reliable sources.
I don't think that it'll change your mind though. I'm sure you could really care less how many viable children are killed every day.
dex1391 3 months ago
@NUTCASE71733
As a matter of fact... here's the post from that site... Interesting.
Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 "Social reasons" is a mischaracterization. There are economic reasons, like not being able to support a child, personal reasons like not being able to raise a child, circumstances of your environment that make raising a child there obviously a bad idea. If they simply don't want to raise a child, that's not something people do to get along in society, it's something they do because they don't want to be a parent. It's not something everyone can handle.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
Sorry but an economic reason is not a good enough reason to kill a child.
The child can be adopted by another parent.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 Killing a child & not having a child are two different things. If you think that early-term fetuses are children, consult a cell biologist, neurologist, or developmental psychologist to better inform yourself of the differences. People have different opinions about whether each of those reasons are good enough. People. Different opinions. Different people.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
You need to take your own advice and contact a biologist. It is a child.
It's never acceptable to kill an innocent child.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 It's not. It is unconscious and can't feel pain until the 3rd trimester.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
Go take a biology class.
That's inaccurate.
And even if it were... it's still not a good enough reason to allow the slaughter of children.
Would you murder an 8 year old child with congenital insensitivity to pain if they fell asleep? The child would be unconscious and wouldn't be able to feel pain.
So murder is ok if they can't feel it and don't see it coming right?
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 My research was bad. Until term, the brain usually isn't developed enough for the baby to survive. The first parts of the brain appear at ~4.5 weeks. That doesn't mean they're grown or related to consciousness.
It's not murder if they're not capable of conscious thought. Being asleep and having no consciousness are as far from eachother as possible. Sleep is an activity of consciousness. An 8 year-old is not a fetus. A 0 year-old isn't. See "Histogram of abortions by gestational age."
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
So it's ok to murder if the child is very very young.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 A 0 year-old is not comparable to a mid-term fetus. They are quite clearly a world apart. Now, I've spent plenty of my time looking up the things you were too stubborn and lazy to figure out for yourself. I'm not your slave, and your opinion doesn't matter to me if you couldn't care about it enough to look for any of information you'd need to see whether you were right or not. It took me some effort, yeah, it wasn't quick to check these things. But that's your job, not mine.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
No you're not a slave. You're simply a monster that seems to think it's ok to murder a child.
Your opinion is irrelevant. It's wrong. It's evil. You simply cannot take the life of a child and expect anyone with half a brain to think that it's ok.
Every "argument" you can throw out gets completely diffused when attaching that to a born child. pain, consciousness, and so on.
All you're left with is that the child is unborn.
And that's not good enough.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 I answered every complaint you've just posted, so obviously you aren't giving my responses any thought. You're not carrying on a conversation, you're just listening to yourself talk.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
No you didn't. Answer my question. Can you name one unborn child attribute that if you attached to a child after birth would make it ok to kill that baby?
Yes or no?
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 Read carefully the comment beginning with, "When I talk about consciousness..." Take each statement and apply it to a child. This would be a child with a defective brain. Brains don't go from complete brain to complete brain. That is, if you keep taking the baby out & putting it back you're not going to see an EFFECTIVE fly brain, then a mouse brain, then a dog brain, until it reaches the complexity of a human. That's at the beginning of the 3rd trimester. Now, look at the histogram.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
You dodged the question yet again.
I'll assume the answer is... no
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 If you aren't satisfied you have to say why. I told you I already answered it, why don't you see that that answers it?
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
You're dodging. LOL
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 You keep saying "I'll assume I've won," and that's for your pride. If you want to argue an issue with other people you have to have humility, or no one else will tolerate you, and if you do it again I won't either.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
LOL nice strawman. I never said I won. I said if you can't answer the question then I have to assume that the answer is no. That you cannot give me an answer. Trying to turn it around on me isn't going to work.
Either give me an answer or admit that you can't.
dex1391 3 months ago
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LokiClock 3 months ago
@dex1391 Oh, I see, one of my posts went missing. You said I didn't answer your question by saying what I said. I believe I did, so you have to explain why I didn't or I have no idea what your problem with it is. You might as well be saying "nuh-uh." And yes, saying, "I'll assume you can't respond," is the exact same thing as saying, "I assume I win."
LokiClock 3 months ago
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@LokiClock
I can't explain why you didn't. You didn't answer the question. Can you or can't you?
I'll assume you can't respond is not I win. Again.... that's a strawman.
You're dodging. I don't have to explain why you didn't unless you're brain dead.
Answer the question.
What attribute can you give to a born child that an unborn child has that makes it ok to kill him/her other than age?
You're acting like a troll.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 A child has a working, complete brain, which allows it to meaningfully process the world (therefore, a child is conscious) and survive if born at that time. A mid-term fetus does not have a working, complete brain, therefore it's not able to meaningfully process the world, and therefore it isn't conscious. Also, since its brain does not work, 50% or more of these brains will die if born.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
So as I said.. The only thing that you can come up with... is age. The only reason that you find that it's ok to murder an unborn child... is because he or she is younger.
That's horrible and no way is it a moral act.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 Now who's making a straw man? I said I don't think something whose brain hasn't grown enough for it to survive is not an animal. That's not discriminating against their age, it's discriminating between the child an outgrowth of the parent.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
And the only reason that the brain is undersized is because of age. That's age discrimination. Nothing more nothing less. You are a horribly immoral person.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 You make it sound like it's just a little bit small. It doesn't work. It's not a dumber human, it's simply not capable of interacting with the world. It's not even functional for weeks after the period I'm talking about starts, but even then almost no one performs abortions once the period starts. We have the term "late-term abortion" specifically to identify those performed in the 3rd trimester, where the gray area STARTS. Again, look at the histogram, which has a tailed distribution.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
You were given a challenge to name one thing that an unborn child has that you could give to a born child that would make it ok to kill that baby... and all you could come up with is age.
sorry but that's not good enough. An innocent child deserves to be protected from monsters like you.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 It doesn't have a working brain. Over time it will grow one, as of yet, it's not something you can murder. Having a brain is important for saying whether the fetus is a person or not.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
So... it's ok to kill a child cuz it's young.
You're a monster
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 Changing from saying "age" to "young" doesn't help. Saying it's about age is changing my words to something flawed, not proving that what I ACTUALLY said was flawed. That's the exact definition of a straw man argument. You're attacking a straw man who says it's okay to kill kids because they're young, not the real person saying that killing something that can't think yet isn't murder.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
Go away baby killer.
Unborn children deserve to live.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 I just showed how they're not children.
LokiClock 3 months ago
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@LokiClock
Not good enough.
dex1391 3 months ago
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How about your degree in isolating yourself from people who disagree with you by demonizing them? If you call your mother a whore does she give you your iPod back?
LokiClock 3 months ago
@dex1391 Children have brains that work, and personalities. Children think and feel and do stuff. Fetuses don't. Fetuses aren't children, and if you kill a fetus you're not killing a child.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@dex1391 Except in the 3rd trimester, where it's transitioning from a fetus to a child in terms of humanity.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
Who are you to take the life of an unborn child? What gives you the right?
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 If it's not a child yet, there's nothing that makes it bad. What gives you the right to post on the internet? Your degree in logical equivalence?
LokiClock 3 months ago
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@LokiClock
Not good enough.
You are immoral.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 Your complaint that I base it on age also applies to sperm & egg cells. Killing those should be equally horrible if you're willing to say killing a fetus is as horrible as killing a child. There's a logical point for the continuum from fertilized egg to child to be morally regioned, and that's not once it has eyes or looks humanoid, it's when there's an actual thinking being inside there.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
Separately no. But once they combine yes. A separate sperm or egg isn't a human.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 Nor is a fertilized egg.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@dex1391 Also, read what the uploader was saying before you decided to ignore him. No one likes abortions. All I'm saying is that it's not a child being killed. It's a potential child that you're preventing from becoming one.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
I'll make it easy for you. Can you name one unborn child attribute... that if you attached to a child after birth... would make it ok to kill that baby?
If you can't... all you're left with is the fact that the unborn child is younger than the born child.
And that's not gonna be good enough.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 When I talk about consciousness I mean being able to attach meaning to sensations. A halfway finished brain cannot do that. We need the time we take to gestate. Rapid brain growth begins at 27 weeks. This is when the fetus becomes viable, as well (more than 50% chance of survival). It's the beginning of the 3rd trimester. Please look up exponential growth to see why rapid brain growth is more significant than the start of brain growth.
LokiClock 3 months ago
@LokiClock
So if an adult... can't feel it's ok to murder that adult. There's no way you're ever going to convince me that it's ok to kill a child... unborn or born.
That child is innocent and has done no harm to anyone.
dex1391 3 months ago
@dex1391 depends, am i a fully formed human with a conscious?
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
Obviously not...
You are an immoral fuck...
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 idk what that's supposed to mean, morality and consciousness are unrelated. you seem like a bleeding-heart christian, which is a shame.
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
You think that only Christians think that it's wrong to kill a baby? Wow are you stupid...
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 no, i think that christians are the one who want to limit people's freedoms because of their misplaces values. i'm not pro-abortion, i abstain from voting on the issue, but i don't think the government should be the ones regulating it. if abortion is murder, is a miscarriage manslaughter?
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
Limit the right to kill children. Wow... who would think of doing something like that..
You're an idiot... you're a pro-abortion baby killing murderer....
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 limit the right? what? so you agree that a miscarriage is manslaughter?
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
You're a retard... and a baby killer.
Killing a child is wrong. It's amazing that I even have to tell someone that..
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 whoa whoa, when did i kill a baby? you're clearly retarded because you can't see the difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion. i've never heard of anyone being pro abortion. have fun worshipping your mass-murdering, baby killing rapist of a god tho.
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
Guess what... supporting murder is just as bad as doing it yourself. So yes... in that you are a baby killer
There is no pro-choice. There's ONLY pro-abortion.
dex1391 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
Only a bigot would bring religion into a discussion on abortion. Religion has nothing to do with ending the life of a human baby.
There's simply no way to justify it. And you can't even try...
Do us all a favor and abort yourself...
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 well that depends how you quantify life. i love how you've dodged every one of my questions about the grey areas involving aboritons laws.
and thank you for supporting my suicide, by your rationale that would make you a murderer for supporting me murdering myself. you baby killer...
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
I see life the same way that biology does. An unborn child is alive. That is a fact. It is a viable life.
Why would you killing yourself be a bad thing? You've had some life on this earth. You think it's ok to kill a child so what's wrong with an adult taking their own life.
I'm more pro-choice than you are...
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 so is a sperm life? does masturbating constitute abortion? i never said killing a child wasn't wrong. you, however, seem to support intentional life-ending. which means you must support murder of all kinds (right?) which means that you clearly support killing babies. tell me, how long can you go before your craving to kill babies takes over?
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
Wow are you really that stupid? Take a biology class idiot.
All you have is stupidity. You know that I'm not for killing anyone.
you have to throw out ignorance because you can't support your belief that abortion is ok.
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 probabaly because that's not my belief.
and you are for killing people. you just supported my death. and i have taken biology classes. what's your point? are you going to make any points or just say "baby killer" over and over again? i hope you don't take this the wrong way, but you might be too retarded to function. you're thinking about it right now, aren't you? all those babies out there that you'd rather be killing.
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
Oh really... So you're pro life now?
Don't bother me again idiot.
No.. .I'm not for killing people idiot. But if you think it's ok to abort... why not start with yourself?
if it's perfectly ok... what's the problem?
See the difference is... you have to use strawman tactics... you really do think it's ok to kill children...
I don't .....
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 except that you are for killing people, youve openly supported it. and just because i dont fully condemn something, doesnt mean i condone it. i dont condone abortion, but i think there's too much grey area involved to outright outlaw it. and i am not using strawman you are actually. you made the leap from prochoice to proaboriton and made the connection that all prochoice people are baby killers. i'm just using your admitted position (supporting suicide) and using your own logic on it.
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
LOL idiot troll.
If you don't condemn... you do condone. There's no other option. Idiot.
Murder is murder...
There is no pro-choice... you are pro-abortion.
And pro-abortionists... are baby killers. if you don't openly condemn something... you are just as guilty as those that do it.
I don't support suicide... but you're a hypocrite...
And suicide is much better than abortion anyway.
At least the individual CHOOSES to die.
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 you do support suicide, you've already admitted to that openly. and everything is not as simple as condemn or condone, life isn't that black and white moron. your logic is incredibly flawed and quite stupid.
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
Again... you're a liar...
And yes... you either condemn or condone. Grow up.
And again... isn't suicide better than abortion? At least the being that dies... CHOOSES to die.
I'm more pro-choice than you are...
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 i never said suicide was worse than abortion. all i'm saying is that you are in full support of suicide. and, by your logic, that means that you fully support all intentional life-endings. this must be obvious because, as you say, there is only black and white, you are either for someones life ending intentionally by unnatural means or you're not. you are for it. so when was the last time you killed a baby, baby-killer?
sagerbj86 5 months ago
@sagerbj86
LOL more strawman... Idiot.
Typical.. Troll
Can't defend abortion so have to make shit up. Loser...
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391
"You're not pro-choice... you're pro abortion."
when you ATTEMPT to choose the position of your adversary, you show the intellectual bankruptcy of your position.... we call it a strawman.
"You certainly don't want to give the child a choice. You simply want him or her dead."
it isn't a child, YET.
it has the EXACT SAME DEFINITION AS A TUMOR!
why aren't you fighting for people to KEEP the CANCERS that GOD gave them???
because YOU'RE the hypocrite
Arteanor 4 months ago
@Arteanor
However... when only one choice is real... It's a fair comment to make...
You can't be pro-choice if you're removing a choice. It's contradictory.
Why would you want to kill babies? I don't get it.
dex1391 4 months ago
@dex1391
"However... when only one choice is real... It's a fair comment to make..." ah, ok... so how is only one of these be real? this is a neat ASSertion.
"You can't be pro-choice if you're removing a choice. It's contradictory."
ah but the choice is up to the person whose BODY you happen to be referring to...
you aren't suggesting we stop removing tumors because they deserve life too are you?
"Why would you want to kill babies? I don't get it."
nobody is... babies have been born...
Arteanor 4 months ago
@Arteanor
Bullshit a life is always more important than an inconvenience.
babykiller...
dex1391 4 months ago
@dex1391
life has a definition.
things that cannot live on their own ( like virus' ) are not actually LIFE.
you ad hominem's show how logically bankrupt your position is...
i will ask, how many children have YOU adopted???
life IS always more important than inconvenience.... or are you an honest enough hypocrite to admit you DON'T PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH.....
Arteanor 4 months ago
@Arteanor
It's a living human being. That is a fact. Take a biology class.
Would you be ok with killing a 8 1/2 month old unborn child?
How many children have I adopted? Really? We're waiting for our first. We've been foster parents for over 5 years now.
How about yourself?
Who's the hypocrite now?
dex1391 4 months ago
@dex1391
"It's a living human being. That is a fact. Take a biology class."
no, Embryos during the FIRST TRIMESTER ( the only time abortion is about choice) ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS YET
"Would you be ok with killing a 8 1/2 month old unborn child?"
only for medical reasons, as the law dictates already.
"How about yourself? Who's the hypocrite now? "
uh, your the one who claimed to think life is so important...
i've made no such claims.
how does that make me hypocritical?
Arteanor 4 months ago
@Arteanor
Yes... they are human. Sorry that's a fact.
So you would kill a fully formed baby..... you're a sick fuck...
You're a hypocrite and worthless
dex1391 4 months ago
@dex1391 are you against war? are you against the death penalty? if not you are the hypocrite, I'm saying this because a lot of the "pro-life" tend to support this.
Independently of this, you are a self righteous imbecile, people that are pro-choice think that abortion is a lesser evil, don' presume to know what others think.
Abortion was a legal procedure in case of rape, deformity and risk of death.
And don't come with that "killing a human" because they are not, they are embryos at that time.
kamijisaca 4 months ago
@kamijisaca
Sorry but red herrings won't work with me.
I support the rights of unborn children. You support the rights of women to murder unborn children.
And it is killing of a human... that is a biological fact.
dex1391 4 months ago
@dex1391 See how self righteous and deluded you are, I'm anti abortion, see how you simple start accusing people without any knowledge of what they rely think.
Don't see where is the red herrings here, or is it just that you can't admit your own hypocrisy?
And no, its not killing a human, just because you want it doesn't make it so... biological fact? are you kidding me? go get an education before you start disgorging absurdities.
kamijisaca 4 months ago
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@dex1391 See how self righteous and deluded you are, I'm anti abortion, see how you simple start accusing people without any knowledge of what they rely think.
Don't see where is the red herrings here, or is it just that you can't admit your own hypocrisy?
And no, its not killing a human, just because you want it doesn't make it so... biological fact? are you kidding me? go get an education before you start disgorging absurdities.
kamijisaca 4 months ago
@FireDragons42
You're both hypocrites...
Don't pretend that you're interested in the well being of children... unless you're pro-life.
dex1391 5 months ago
@dex1391 While I do share their belief that (early-term) abortion should be legal, I do not advocate callousness towards abortion. I agree with you in spirit in some respects; the unborn child needs to be considered. At the end of the day, I think if it doesn't have a potential for consciousness it shouldn't be considered more sacred than an inanimate object, BUT, unlike many who are in favor of abortion legality, I do NOT consider this an OBVIOUS conclusion and do not blame you for disagreeing.
Megaritz 5 months ago
Fuck Arkansas.
PlasteredDragon 6 months ago
BRAVO!
Kailoa36 6 months ago
I find homosexuality to be really disgusting (foreign penis!!!)
But you know what, I find alot of things disgusting and it's perfectly ok to disgusted, you can't enjoy everything.
Homosexuality is just not my thing, but I'm completely pro gaymarriage and would gladly fight for their rights.
Besides, wasn't Jesus all for defending the oppressed and the helpless? I may not be a christian but to me that sounds like an admirable stance.
Oh, but God hates fags.
FU! God is nonexistant and a dick!
TheRaivaaja 6 months ago 2
Way to go Matt.
TheDigitalStone 7 months ago
Why should they give a crap about the welfare of anyone? Isn't it better to screw over a whole bunch of good people just to spread their own ignorance? I doubt those kids had a vote in this..... Not that it matters. It's not their own kids who will suffer.
skywize 9 months ago
An Atheist from Arkansas.... Not all of us Arkies think like that, but I do get so fed up with religious nutts so I can totally understand how u feel.....
donnajojaudon 10 months ago
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This is very insulting calling my own people backward redneck morons. This guy is such a stupid lame mindless loser
NewportBagel 10 months ago
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cifier 10 months ago
@NewportBagel you said, "very insulting calling my own people backward redneck morons"
Name calling aside, Matt has a very good point. The law he is talking about does not help any one, it only hurts. It almost ensures that less children will be adopted. And in the middle of this point you are concerned about being called names because it hurts your feelings.
I think the children Matt is talking about have more to lose than just having their feelings hurt.
And, yes, I am from Arkansas.
cifier 10 months ago
Christians, I will ask you, what business is it of mine what you do with your lovers/spouses in your own homes/bedrooms? None, right?
Then what business is it of yours what I or homosexuals do in theirs? None.
GermanChocolateCake 10 months ago
The South should cede again. Seriously.
Nicci736 11 months ago
We also put a "family censor" over US Weekly's cover of Elton John, his partner, and their newly adopted baby.... Let's hear it for Arkansas!!!
killerlanddolphin 11 months ago
sad part is them people think they're doing those poor suffering kid's a favor.
that's religion for you. Saves lives. <3
wetdream09 11 months ago
All intolerant people should be killed!
PWGregory 1 year ago
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Sounds like these idiots are bigoted toward religion because they know it is a major obstacle to their perverted mental illness. You must do all you can to wipe it out!!
ma7799 1 year ago
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bzman149 1 year ago
No thats like saying black people are all criminals because some break the law,attacking arkansas without pointing out that he wasnt refering to everyone just those who voted for the unjust law is plain wrong and prejudiced because it can be interpreted so.
Whatever4690 1 year ago
I am so disappointed that the African American community chose to INSTITUTE prejudice and bigotry in California. For a minority that was subject to a very similar restriction just 43 years earlier (blacks could not marry whites in most states before the Supreme Court ruling calling the laws against interracial marriage as unconstitutional)! Wake up and see that the same bigoted creeps who tired to keep your community in it's place are now doing it to another maligned minority group, gays!
AmericanGayAtheist 1 year ago
I never knew Arkansas was alive in the first place.
CommanderC4 1 year ago
We would never have had Different Strokes. I'm unsure if this is a good or bad thing.
funkynosejob 1 year ago
Ghoudathulhu will strike Arkansas first, the ignorant inbred bastards that they are will suffer the Cheesy Wrath upon Epic Beardmans second coming!
Zuifan 1 year ago
that is horrifying that arkansas would do that religion has just kicked those kids in the face and then said father christmas isn't real
MrReasonFTW 1 year ago
thats IS a really funny irony sad for the homosexuals though
MrReasonFTW 1 year ago
Dude, you need to get urself a full version of BB Flashback...I hear thepiratebay is having a sale on software - 100% OFF :D
SupermarketsRevil 1 year ago
"violates yo bible" that was great
NowRenaissanceGroup 1 year ago
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Retarded... I have had very few problems with the Atheist Experience show, but homosexuality is plain gross. Why do the fags care if they get their little piece of paper?
NewVinland 1 year ago
@NewVinland The paper is irrelevant, it's the rights that go with the paper that are important. What is written on the paper is what gives couples rights to joint ownership, visitation rights in hospitals and in the event of unfortunate circumstances the right to make decisions on behalf of an incapacitated loved one.
As for the "gross factor", I find the idea of eating blue cheese gross. Does that mean no one should have a right to eat it if they like it?
FireDragons42 1 year ago 89
@NewVinland
"but homosexuality is plain gross"
You know something, I agree; I have caught glimpses of male on male gay porn and it really grossed me out. Here is the thing....so what? I imagine watching you bang whatever cow excuse for a partner you might have would be equally upsetting & 'gross' to witness. Does that mean you shouldn't be allowed to marry her or bang whomever no matter how disgusting to witness it would be?
We will stay out of your bedroom, you stay out of theirs
Hopeful71 1 year ago
@NewVinland because they want basic marriage rights like everyone else
misnoto 1 year ago
@NewVinland really?! you really think it's right to eliminate people's rights because you think homosexuality is "gross"! are you like 12 years old, mentally retarded, a mormon, or just a hateful bigot? either way, people like you are despicable.
bzman149 1 year ago
@bzman149 Rights? Where does the constitution say queers have a right to marry? They have no right as such... Homosexual relationships are not healthy. Tearing anal tissue, AIDS more likely to spread, etc. It is bad news for society.
NewVinland 1 year ago
@NewVinland are you fucking kidding me? what about "all men are created equal"? that idea in itself should say that every citizen should have the same rights. don't bring up the constitution because it obvious that you don't really care about the constitution, you just want to make a special pleading with respect to gay people because they are "gross".
and by the way, you can catch all kinds diseases with straight sex also, it's not just the gays.
bzman149 1 year ago
@NewVinland
Another thing that I havent seen mentioned to you: straight people have anal sex also; it's not just gays. AIDS is not exclusive to gays, as much as you may want that to be true, and you are a fucking bigot. You fucks hide behind an archaic, barbaric bronze aged text to justify your own irrational prejudice. I wouldnt be surprised if you were a self hating closet gay, taking out the anger you feel for yourself that was imposed by religion on others. Pathetic & sad.
sakar181 11 months ago 2
@sakar181 Anal sex is not healthy for anyone to have. Homosexuals are more likely to get AIDS. Why do you think they are not allowed to donate blood. No one is talking about bronze age texts here. There are practical reasons to oppose it. It is funny that this trick is used to call anyone gay who is in opposition. That does not address any points to do so. Logical fallacy. Epic fail
NewVinland 11 months ago