Mongols were barbarians because they didnt have a written language. Eventually did adopt the Uyghur written language after conquering the Uyghurs. And Uyghurs got theirs from the Songdians after conquering the Songdians.
And we are not a Barbarian, its a term that Chinese emperor used to describe us because we used to raid their towns and cities just like how we used to raid other tribes. But we showed them that we can rule the largest empire that the world has ever seen.
The Mongols just wanted more land, money, women. They wanted to explore. Chinggis Khan wanted to make alliance with the islam, present day maybe afghan or iraq, but they did something very wrong that change the course of the history, they had cut off Chinggis Khan's messenger head. This angered him which thus lead to the annihalation of several cities. Before he died, he asked his son to continue his campaign which they did! This is all from the secret book of Mongols. I am a Mongolian.
That's a great mistake of the creators of the game that when a knight catches an arrow or a sword blow the horse under him falls with him)) altogether... that's strongly unrealistic. Iether a horse or a unit can servive after an attack.
The huns were nomadic people who moved from the steppes to mod. day Hungary where they started settling down and raiding both the eastern and western roman empires. They had lost a battle to the WRE in Gaul and marched back to Hungary where Attila the Hun died. After Attilas death they were never a real power ever again and they dispersed into the hungarian populace.
Huns were Mongoloid wars which have come from average asia. Read history of Huns, instead of history of Hungary. But that for the first time Huns have begun the resettlement from mongolia, east kazakhstan and western china it is truth. Search in google about huns empire. It is much older than u think
I spoke with Hungarians. The formed Hungarians feel itself Magyars. Hungary has been formed as a result of resettlement of Magyars of steppes of northern Kazakhstan in 9 century. It in 4 centuries after Huns. Huns was mongoloid warriors
Mindful of your comments, tell me why it was called the silk road ?? thats a hard one
tell me why they in the position they in now ? umm well we dont have wars of annihilation in europe like they did cant we admit the truth, how dumb do we feel when the origin of printing came elsewhere yet we claim to invent it while others are laughing give credit where its due
The Mongols annihilated the empire of the Islamic Caliphate when they invaded the Middle East. The Mongols who stayed in the Middle East did later convert to Islam. Mongols in East Asia converted to Buddhism/Confucianism/etc
And I'm sure the few Mongols who remained in Eastern Europe/Russia eventually became Christians...
I have no Idea why people thumb you down, because you are obviously telling the truth. Some people need to read a History book and realise what a shit hole and hovel Europe was until like the 17 hundreds.
lcddg the Mongols and the Japanese were the only significant power in Oriental Asia. Russians beat the mongols, the mongols also suffered defeat at the hands of the Japanese and Egyptian Mamluks easily beat the mongols. Asia had few powerful factions where as the Middle east and Europe had many powerful factions.
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Idiots like you who are clueless in history are as stupid as Asian nationalists.
Japanese was a significant power? Are you kidding me? Japan was not a significant power at this time until hundreds of years after the mongol invasions. And the Japanese didn't beat the Mongols. The two typhoons that hit the Mongol fleet is what beat them.
Mameluks did win by adapting Mongol tactics, but the Mongols didn't consider expanding into Egypt anyways.
YES, Japan was a significant power because of their feudal period and the Samurai invaded China and Korea. Also how did the Mameluks win by adopting Mongol tactics? WHEN THEY HAD NEVER ENCOUNTERED THEM BEFORE? Horse archer techniques were used in the middle east and Eastern Europe since ancient times, longtime before any ugly mongols decided to show their faces to the rest of the civilized world. Nobody even knew they existed.
"YES, Japan was a significant power because of their feudal period and the Samurai invaded China and Korea."
Wrong again.
Japan was barely a coalition of feudal kingdoms at the time. They were NOT a significant power during the Mongol invasions. What saved Japan was sabotaged Mongol ships and 2 giant typhoons/hurricanes.
And the Japanese invaded Korea/tried to invade China in the late 16th century, which was about 400 years AFTER the Mongol invasions.
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You need to realize that Song Dynasty and the Islamic Calphiate were the main war fronts for the Mongol...their invasion Europe was more of a raid (note how most of the battles in Europe were expeditionary armies and not their main armies...ie Legnicia).
This is because Europe didn't have as much loot or wealth as the other empires did...so it wasn't worth conquering at the time. That's one of the main reason why the Mongols in Europe went back to Mongolia for the elections and didn't return.
Legnicia is a favorite for all Asian nationalist to quote. They also forget to realize all of the Mongol tactics were based on surprise attacks. Nobody even knew orientals existed until the mongols decided to show their faces out of hiding. Imagine if Europeans decided to show their faces in Asia first, I doubt the mongols would be prepared. Everyone of the Mongol surprise attacks were repelled once extensive fortifications were built.
"They also forget to realize all of the Mongol tactics were based on surprise attacks. Nobody even knew orientals existed until the mongols decided to show their faces out of hiding."
You're an absolute idiot.
1. Orientals = Middle Easterners
2. People knew about East Asia since the time of Rome when the Han sold them silk. The Roman word for the Han Dynasty was Sinae.
3. Western Roman Empire was brought down by the Mongols ancestors, the Hun, or descendants of the Xiongnu.
Expeditionary armies? Is that why the Mongols did repeat raids and were beaten back effectively and once they realized they were unable to progress through fortifications they went back. Also Europe was fairly wealthy the papal states and many medieval knights had developed a better form of economy for Europe.
Yes. "raids" They were not invasions, but merely raids basically testing the grounds. As for fortifications, don't make me laugh. The fortifications they encountered in the Jin, Song, Sultanate, etc empires were far greater than anything that had been constructed in Western Europe at the time. Eastern Euro states at the time rivaled or surpassed their Western counterparts -and they were defeated in a short time span.
The Mongols pretty much didn't lose a major single battle in Europe.
stupid cruel mongols? lol dude the mongols never took slaves they allowed freedom of religion and stuff. They rarely massacred any civilians. He as a great, powerful,wise, leader
Slaves are a moot point! Gengis and his band of raiders raped women, plenty of men and children! Mongols enslaved China and parts of the Middle east forcing them to serve in their army. Cruel Mongols like Timur are infamous.
Furthermore, European states individually were far weaker than the powerful states at the time.
The two most powerful nations at the time were Song China and the Islamic Caliphate. Each of these states equaled or surpassed all of the states in Europe combined.
The Mongols themselves defeated the Eastern European nations of Poland/Hungary/various Russian states...which at the time were equal or stronger than Germany/France/England.
You are combining the Islamic Caliphate and comparing them the individual European states sounds a bit dodgy doesn't it? The middle east has always been a center for power since ancient times. Also Song China was a JOKE! lol, they built that great wall and all the Mongols did was move around it. China was enslaved under mongol rule for centuries.
I'm comparing the Islamic Caliphate to ALL of Europe. And I'm comparing the Song Dynasty to ALL of Europe.
"they built that great wall and all the Mongols did was move around it."
Wrong. During the Song Dynasty, the great wall was barely used. The wall was only heavily emphasized during the Ming Dynasty, ~400 years later. The Song lasted 70 years against the Mongols...which wasn't too bad.
During their first "small raid" on Europe, the Mongols conquered Russia to Austria within 3 years.
"I'm comparing the Islamic Caliphate to ALL of Europe. And I'm comparing the Song Dynasty to ALL of Europe."
"Furthermore, European states individually were far weaker than the powerful states at the time."
Also, the Chinese built the wall 5th century BC to 221 BC so they already had fortifications in place long before mongol invasions and repeated wars and invasions from other tribes. While Europe was completely unaware of the existence of such tribes.
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Walls built in the 5th cent BC were built by various kingdoms of the Zhou Confederation against each other. The 221BC wall was not against the Mongols, but against the Xiongnu Confederation. The Han Dynasty had already defeated the Xiongnu by the turn of the millennium.
The Xiongnu scattered, and some became the Huns, who moved west and invaded Europe...800 years before the Mongols.
Europeans have known about and fought Eurasian nomads since 5th century BCE when Alexander fought the Scythians.
How can you claim they conquered all that territory in 3yrs Russia to Austria. When it took them 3yrs to conquer Russia alone? I am a bit wary of Chinese historians ....
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Ok, well technically, it took them 3 years to conquer Russia, and 1 year to conquer the space between Russia and Austria.
I'mma read off of a wiki now for simplification. Mongols decided to conquer Russia in 1335, and according to wiki they got to Russia in 1237 (when the Mongols actually started fighting Russia). They conquered it within 3 years. Then they sent troops into Eastern Europe in 1241 and got as far as Austria before they decided to turn back.
"Furthermore, European states individually were far weaker than the powerful states at the time.
The two most powerful nations at the time were Song China and the Islamic Caliphate. Each of these states equaled or surpassed all of the states in Europe combined."
@Intranetusa Yes I agree,the Mongols had a very hard time during the battles with song dynasty,however,it was rather easy for them to defeat korea,russia,central asia and eastern europe
Once again the Mongols took all those nations by Surprise and Each one of those Nations repelled the Mongol savages effectively after they learned of their hit and run tactics. Also Eastern European nations Poland/Hungary/and Various Russian states were not as strong as the Western Nations! Western nations had better armor and Centuries ahead with battle experience and better tactics. The Eastern European nations were still learning western European style of medieval fighting.
The Mongols sent ambassadors ahead of time. They attacked the Caliphate after their ambassadors were executed. The majority of the time, their enemies knew they were coming ahead of time.
Contrary to today, Poland and Hungary were two of the strongest nations in the 12th century, individually stronger than England or France.
As for Western Europe haven't better equipment, no they didn't. You're probably thinking that Western Europeans had some awesome 16th German Gothic plate armor
lol@ your comment about Eastern Europe being stronger. Western Europe had superior Armor since the Era of the Greek phalanx(note they are still in ancient times.) Then came the Romans who also were heavily armored. Even during the ancient times tribes such as the Franks, and the Ancient Goths had employed heavy armor due to constant warfare with the Romans.
2. The Roman Empire split into two, the Eastern and the Western section. The Eastern Empire (Byzantines) in Eastern Europe/Western Asia was far richer because their administration and wealth were transferred to Constantinople. They also had better armies because the western half was falling apart.
As for Franks & Goths, we're not talking about ancient times. We're talking about the 12th century medieval times. The ancient tribes of Western Europe were long gone.
"your comment about Eastern Europe being stronger. Western Europe had superior Armor since the Era of the Greek phalanx("
1. Greece is in Eastern Europe
2. You are confusing the ancient era with the medieval era.
3. The main power in ancient times in Western Europe was the Romans, who eventually moved their capital to Eastern Europe anyways.
4. Even during ancient times, the Eastern Euros (Getai, Epierots, Macedonians, Dacians,etc) were more powerful than most of the tribes in the western euro
Also Eastern Europe was not its former self during Medieval times it was swiftly defeated by the heavily Armored Teutonic Knights of Western Europe. Only when the Eastern Europeans had converted to Christianity and adopted a few Western European techniques they were able to expel the Teutonic Knights who had been weakened and corrupted at this point. Eastern and Western Europe don't even matter at this point since they both teamed together and were able to repel the mongol menace.
The Polish Knights, Knights of the Holy Roman Empire, Knights Templars, Teutonic Knights, and Hospitalers were pretty much massacred by Mongols during the battle of Legnica. And this was when the Mongols were outnumbered 4 to 1.
Clearly you are a total TWAT! and have no idea what you are talking about! I saw that you mentioned before Europe had no wealth and the Middle East was part of their agenda? Is that why the mongols decided to come as FAR AS EUROPE and EGYPT just for a bloody raid? Sounds fishy to me? Clearly they weren't contempt with the wealth of India or China. They came for conquest. Also you mentioned Middle Easterners= Orientals? lol, i had a Turkish friend who said the exact opposite.
Middle Easterners weren't oriental. Tell somebody from Iran or Iraq that they are oriental or mongol, and they will give you a piece of their mind.
As you stated: "Mongols are not directly related to modern day Turks..."
Also the Huns were not Mongol or Oriental they were Hungarian again if you tell some from Hungary that they were their ancestors were Mongol they will clearly deny it. I think you are spending too much time reaching Chinese propaganda.
Also it is highly irresponsible for you to claim China did this and China did that. Most of what happened in ancient times is still shrouded in Mystery so far the Origin of "silk" itself is a mystery. Records show that the Greeks traveled as far as India and that's it. It seems like China wants some sort of foothold in the world and claim to have influenced everything, invented everything and been historically involved in everything.
Middle Easterners are Oriental. The original definition of Oriental was the "East" specifically, near East. The definition for some countries was later changed to the Far East.
I stated Mongols are not directly related. The Mongols were a confederation of Eurasian tribes that would have included Turkic nomads. The Turks today are a mix of Greeks, Persians, Arabs, Turkic nomads, etc
The Huns were not all Hungarians. Most were Eurasians. Go read a history book.
@depp1267 People often confuse various eastern Turkic people (like the Kyrgyz or the Uyghur) with the ethnic group known as the Turks. The former could be said to, if not be oriental, look oriental to someone in the west.
@depp1267 There are many countries today who hold mongol ancestry actually.. Talk about the majority of eastern europe..? How can you even try and deny that.. history has shown that when an invading army comes to a foreign land they leave behind their ancestry.. How do you think latinos were made? Spanish armies raping native indians.. Dont talk with your foot in your mouth
@ANGRYREDNECK55 containing less than one percent mongol blood does not mean that the people there are "oriental", or "mongol". I am 99 percent Taiwanese and 1 percent Dutch, but if you met me on the street, you wouldn't call me dutch now, would you?
Latinos are a completely different story, created under hundreds of years of Spain, with intricate mingling of cultures. Comparing the two is like comparing a bar of bronze alloy to a bar of pure silver with a speck of iron on it.
Your statement is as stupid as when you claimed Japan was a significant power during the Mongol invasions and had invaded China.
Mongols sent less than 30,000 troops into Europe and won nearly every battle...unhindered until they had to return to Mongolia for elections. The Mongols sent 150,000 troops against the city of Baghdad alone.
The Mongols during the main invasion were undefeated in Europe. There were a lot of battles- Battle of Muhi, Battle of Legnica, etc. After their 2nd withdrawal (the death of the Khan), most returned back to Mongolia. The Mongol empire was split into various territories. The Golden Horde, the most western part of these territories, did fight more battles with European powers later on (this was 20 years after the main invasion).
This force of Mongols did suffer defeats by the Europeans.
@Intranetusa thanks for the information =). i never heard about the second invasion 20 years invaded though. what was this called? was there a name for this or a name for any of the battles that happened 20 years later or is it all mostly unknown
1. Yes during ancient times Eastern Europe was more civilized and wealthier.
2. The Western Barbarians during the collapse of western rome had better armor, techniques and weaponry due to constant warfare with the romans.
3. Clearly you have no idea what YOU are talking about when you say eastern europeans like Macedonians, Dacians,and Greeks were more powerful?? Anything to prove that fact? Western euro tribes such as the Gauls were completely vicious sacking Rome and defeating Macedon.
Rome was only sacked once by the Gauls in 387BCE when it was extremely weak and barely more than a city state. Romans conquered the Gauls by the 1st century BCE and they were no more of a threat.
Yes, Eastern Europeans were far more powerful. Macedon, Greece, etc were all civilized states which had better armies than Western Euros. The reason why they were conquered by Rome is the successor civil wars.
Rome were sacked. by the foederatis in the late fourth century AD because of lack of payment. i think the vandals allso did it once,but that im not sure about.
lol, what and only for the Chinese to fight a depleted and weakened Roman army who had just fought a battle? They just captured a small territory which belonged to the Parthians not the Romans. Clearly the Chinese never encountered Caesar.. Also Alexander the great defeated the Sogdianans. Also nobody is sure what happened those were roman prisoners and when Chinese historians claim an immediate "easy" victory i am cautious. This is a very disputed claim which you have mentioned..
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we should negate chinese knowledge in warfare. ever familiar with sun tzu's art of war? also, chinese metal is far superior to europe had for centuries. keep that in mind. it was only during renaissance when europe surpassed china. but on the 1200s the chinese empire was ahead of europe.
Yes I know of Sun Tzu, but Europe/Middle East had its own military maxims said by many famous people for a millennia which have led to many successful victories for centuries. People like Vegetius, Homer, Scipio Africanus, Cyrus the Great, Proverbs( middle eastern Judean document written by king solomon), Alexander the great etc.
The truth is nobody knows who is superior and who isnt so far as records show advanced civilization ranged from Europe, Africa, Middle East , and the Indus. Im sure you have a sense of glee mentioning how the mongols defeated the Europeans and celebrate it. The fact is that Europe and the Middle East have been powerful for centuries their wisdom and knowledge from the ancient world effect us till this day.
There are more than a billion Chinese on the planet and many millions live in the West. Its strange to see how many chinese lurk in every corner of the internet waiting for someone to mention history even if they havent mentioned the Chinese, the Chinese barge in talking about how the Chinese invented everything, how everyone great man has Chinese descendants and how the Chinese virtually superior to any advanced civilization history has recorded.
This argument is silly and running in circles. Clearly this will come to no avail and to think all of this started when somebody mentioned the Mongols being cruel and the conversation expanded on to who is superior and who isnt. nobody even mentioned superiority. Clearly we dont know who is superior because neither ancient civilization clashed in a dramatic way.
Such frivolous arguments are unnecessary, it seems that the Chinese want to boost their ego. One would think that if the Chinese were such an advanced civilization and had such a head start they would be more than a match for Europe during 19th century warfare. If you Chinese think you are superior thats great. Im sure your popular Chinese propaganda cinema bombards you with how superior you were to almost everyone. As far as the rest of the world well let history decide.
Pcekeep may be biased, but you're really no different. You're both boosting your egos, he's claiming how China is so great, while you're basically claiming how Western Europe was invincible.
The mongols invaded Russia like 60 turns ago. They sacked one city and now they're just standing there. Mean while I've nearly re-conquered the Roman empire for the king of Spain. Wtf. Are they ever going to do anything?
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accept it we asian once dominate the whites we are the most poweerful in the world for 2000 yrs and believe me it will just make you a fool if you persist
i see your point and i agree. i dont call alexanders "empire" a real empire. an empire involves setting up of real physical infrastructure and culture diffusion.
short lived? i bet u got that from an european or an american social textbook eh? The mongol empire started in 1100s and fell from power and influence in the 1600 when the manchurians took over. Mongol control ended in europe and the middle east at about end of 1300s maybe thats what u are referng to. Also the last khan died in 1956 and mongolia became influenced by China. But we did have the power to wipe everyone out if we wished, so i be grateful to chingis khan.
Mongols are very beatable if you stick to siege warfare. Their horse archers are terribly deducted in a siege battle and if you can easily hold them off at the walls with pikes/spearmen and archers.
you can get the clouds across europe mod....it gets u the mongols and many others for campaign, like teutonic knights and all other unavailible campaign factions
man!..is hard to play this game right now i'm playing with the byzantine empire vs mongols,but no matter what kind of units i got i just can not defeat those stupids archers..they are capable to defeat heavi cavalry...do you know how to defeat those bastards? :) .for me this game is unplayable when the mongols and trimuds invade!
We europeans like to fight with the sword dang mongolians and there cheapo bow lol :P. I was pretty proud when i was playing as england and had sieged mongolian kiev and when they sallied out with a full stack army of reinforcements(500vs 1500) it was pretty intence i first destroyed there sally force(500) than ran in the city took the walls with lbows and left my levy spears on ground by gate. it was a draw but i killed 1300 and lost 400.
Mongolia had an empire 5 times the size of the roman empire but then they spread themselves 2 thin and there empire collapsed simple mistake people have been making since the stoneage
The mongols were the best archers in the world even better then longbowmen because of their ability to outran any european spearmen or heavy cav so chasing them and the mongols never ever just ran into the spears
those weren't the mongols. it was the germans running into the mongols. however, it was stupid to charge heavy cav into forlorn hope. too bad this game is so loaded with bugs and the diplomacy system is whack. we'll see what they do with empire: total war...
agreed, buggy buggy. kingdoms made it better, but I will say that this was not a polished game when it came out. Rome gameplay is still better even with the patches. And im not talking about the cavalry
I'm sure european armies would have adapted to fight the mongols in time, their error was challinging them on the field.
But in time someones 'light bulb' would have clicked and they'd set up defensive formations of heavy spearmen and crossbows to see them off, also, burning the grass/hay on european farmlands so theres less food for the mongol horses to eat.
spartans weren't only "brave", they had efficient phalanx formation tactics that gave them the edge. One on one they were also good, but they would be raped without their tight phalanx formation.
422hugo you're a retard. "They wooped ass like real men"... ahahaha, the only thing that matters is the most effective way of killing your opponents and securing victory. The mongols made way for the biggest empire this world has ever seen. The ones who put their bravery behind their intelligence win, the stupid regressive bastards who care more about being "manly" and showing bravery than intelligence lose.
MONGOLS are the biggest pussys ever!..these chickens never fought with out a bow n arrow!..lol and on top of that ON A HORSE!!!..bigest pussys ever.. SPARTA is KNOWN TO BE THE BEST.. why because they wooped ass like real men!!... s0rry dud but WHITE PEOPLE ARE MEANT TO BE THE BEST!!!not some pussy JAPANESSE on a horse!
"0h" and one last thing SPARTANS are BORN for WAR s0n!!! +_+
And secondly, history speaks for itself on who is "greater" -> obviously the Mongols.
It doesn't matter how you obtain a crushing victory, it only matters that you obtain it, and Genghis Khan knew that very well, as well as his successors.
Haha i can tell you i was one of the first to get belted by the mongols when they first arrived and i can tell you it wasnt pretty for me lots of men lost terribly ended up forcing me out of my land lucky i had other places to go :D
in4lab in ur situation build spearmen and archers cuz mongols focuz mainly on cav and i play medieval and beated it so this is good advice trust me thats wut i did :) good luck :)
hey, what is the best defence against mongols???' do they attack all Europe??? im preparing for them, should i invest in infantry or cavalary against them???
Mongols were barbarians because they didnt have a written language. Eventually did adopt the Uyghur written language after conquering the Uyghurs. And Uyghurs got theirs from the Songdians after conquering the Songdians.
Lordofthenipplerings 2 months ago
And we are not a Barbarian, its a term that Chinese emperor used to describe us because we used to raid their towns and cities just like how we used to raid other tribes. But we showed them that we can rule the largest empire that the world has ever seen.
DxTriplExD 2 months ago
The Mongols just wanted more land, money, women. They wanted to explore. Chinggis Khan wanted to make alliance with the islam, present day maybe afghan or iraq, but they did something very wrong that change the course of the history, they had cut off Chinggis Khan's messenger head. This angered him which thus lead to the annihalation of several cities. Before he died, he asked his son to continue his campaign which they did! This is all from the secret book of Mongols. I am a Mongolian.
DxTriplExD 2 months ago
hehe. mongols - not barbarians.
mongols are nature-worship. europeans just parasitic on world. therefore mongols hate europeans and killed.
TheBattulga 5 months ago
That's a great mistake of the creators of the game that when a knight catches an arrow or a sword blow the horse under him falls with him)) altogether... that's strongly unrealistic. Iether a horse or a unit can servive after an attack.
BaxorUpGreat 9 months ago
The huns were nomadic people who moved from the steppes to mod. day Hungary where they started settling down and raiding both the eastern and western roman empires. They had lost a battle to the WRE in Gaul and marched back to Hungary where Attila the Hun died. After Attilas death they were never a real power ever again and they dispersed into the hungarian populace.
vhhsairsoft 11 months ago
Huns were Mongoloid wars which have come from average asia. Read history of Huns, instead of history of Hungary. But that for the first time Huns have begun the resettlement from mongolia, east kazakhstan and western china it is truth. Search in google about huns empire. It is much older than u think
Shaitantoo 1 year ago
I spoke with Hungarians. The formed Hungarians feel itself Magyars. Hungary has been formed as a result of resettlement of Magyars of steppes of northern Kazakhstan in 9 century. It in 4 centuries after Huns. Huns was mongoloid warriors
Shaitantoo 1 year ago
Now that you know war is bad.
colt35 1 year ago
that horse fly dude
tikotahabbo 1 year ago
Mindful of your comments, tell me why it was called the silk road ?? thats a hard one
tell me why they in the position they in now ? umm well we dont have wars of annihilation in europe like they did cant we admit the truth, how dumb do we feel when the origin of printing came elsewhere yet we claim to invent it while others are laughing give credit where its due
privatepinkbits 1 year ago
quality of thiz vid is ...
Ordon44 1 year ago
Mongolian Rules!
lich1717 1 year ago
when do the Mongolians come into the campaign? its saying genghis khan is a new threat, but i cant see him or mongolians on the map :S
mojoman541 2 years ago
Those aren't Mongols, they're Timurids! Note the elephants!
igd93 2 years ago
GENGHIS KHAN the best warrior of all time
princekarizma 2 years ago
so great is islam
the mongols became moslim when they first heard about Islam and the great Prophet
CommanderSyler 2 years ago
Thats relative depending on which region you are talking about the Mongol Empire was multireligous
micah9639 2 years ago
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the mongol turks
CommanderSyler 2 years ago
Then you are correct sir
micah9639 2 years ago
The Mongols annihilated the empire of the Islamic Caliphate when they invaded the Middle East. The Mongols who stayed in the Middle East did later convert to Islam. Mongols in East Asia converted to Buddhism/Confucianism/etc
And I'm sure the few Mongols who remained in Eastern Europe/Russia eventually became Christians...
Intranetusa 2 years ago
I have no Idea why people thumb you down, because you are obviously telling the truth. Some people need to read a History book and realise what a shit hole and hovel Europe was until like the 17 hundreds.
pritzi101 2 years ago
The truth hurts sometimes... ;)
Although I think some of these people got pissed off when I said that the Mongols are not directly related to modern day Turks...
Intranetusa 2 years ago 2
Again,it's not something you masde up, it's fact.
pritzi101 2 years ago
@Intranetusa keep up the truth
privatepinkbits 1 year ago
Stupid Cruel Mongols!
depp1267 2 years ago 3
Stupid Asian nationalist
lcddg the Mongols and the Japanese were the only significant power in Oriental Asia. Russians beat the mongols, the mongols also suffered defeat at the hands of the Japanese and Egyptian Mamluks easily beat the mongols. Asia had few powerful factions where as the Middle east and Europe had many powerful factions.
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Idiots like you who are clueless in history are as stupid as Asian nationalists.
Japanese was a significant power? Are you kidding me? Japan was not a significant power at this time until hundreds of years after the mongol invasions. And the Japanese didn't beat the Mongols. The two typhoons that hit the Mongol fleet is what beat them.
Mameluks did win by adapting Mongol tactics, but the Mongols didn't consider expanding into Egypt anyways.
Intranetusa 2 years ago
YES, Japan was a significant power because of their feudal period and the Samurai invaded China and Korea. Also how did the Mameluks win by adopting Mongol tactics? WHEN THEY HAD NEVER ENCOUNTERED THEM BEFORE? Horse archer techniques were used in the middle east and Eastern Europe since ancient times, longtime before any ugly mongols decided to show their faces to the rest of the civilized world. Nobody even knew they existed.
depp1267 1 year ago 4
@depp1267
"YES, Japan was a significant power because of their feudal period and the Samurai invaded China and Korea."
Wrong again.
Japan was barely a coalition of feudal kingdoms at the time. They were NOT a significant power during the Mongol invasions. What saved Japan was sabotaged Mongol ships and 2 giant typhoons/hurricanes.
And the Japanese invaded Korea/tried to invade China in the late 16th century, which was about 400 years AFTER the Mongol invasions.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
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You need to realize that Song Dynasty and the Islamic Calphiate were the main war fronts for the Mongol...their invasion Europe was more of a raid (note how most of the battles in Europe were expeditionary armies and not their main armies...ie Legnicia).
This is because Europe didn't have as much loot or wealth as the other empires did...so it wasn't worth conquering at the time. That's one of the main reason why the Mongols in Europe went back to Mongolia for the elections and didn't return.
Intranetusa 2 years ago
Legnicia is a favorite for all Asian nationalist to quote. They also forget to realize all of the Mongol tactics were based on surprise attacks. Nobody even knew orientals existed until the mongols decided to show their faces out of hiding. Imagine if Europeans decided to show their faces in Asia first, I doubt the mongols would be prepared. Everyone of the Mongol surprise attacks were repelled once extensive fortifications were built.
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"They also forget to realize all of the Mongol tactics were based on surprise attacks. Nobody even knew orientals existed until the mongols decided to show their faces out of hiding."
You're an absolute idiot.
1. Orientals = Middle Easterners
2. People knew about East Asia since the time of Rome when the Han sold them silk. The Roman word for the Han Dynasty was Sinae.
3. Western Roman Empire was brought down by the Mongols ancestors, the Hun, or descendants of the Xiongnu.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
Expeditionary armies? Is that why the Mongols did repeat raids and were beaten back effectively and once they realized they were unable to progress through fortifications they went back. Also Europe was fairly wealthy the papal states and many medieval knights had developed a better form of economy for Europe.
depp1267 1 year ago 3
Yes. "raids" They were not invasions, but merely raids basically testing the grounds. As for fortifications, don't make me laugh. The fortifications they encountered in the Jin, Song, Sultanate, etc empires were far greater than anything that had been constructed in Western Europe at the time. Eastern Euro states at the time rivaled or surpassed their Western counterparts -and they were defeated in a short time span.
The Mongols pretty much didn't lose a major single battle in Europe.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@depp1267 yeah you know abit but sometimes you talk out of your arse
privatepinkbits 1 year ago
stupid cruel mongols? lol dude the mongols never took slaves they allowed freedom of religion and stuff. They rarely massacred any civilians. He as a great, powerful,wise, leader
Edd692 2 years ago
Slaves are a moot point! Gengis and his band of raiders raped women, plenty of men and children! Mongols enslaved China and parts of the Middle east forcing them to serve in their army. Cruel Mongols like Timur are infamous.
depp1267 2 years ago 3
Furthermore, European states individually were far weaker than the powerful states at the time.
The two most powerful nations at the time were Song China and the Islamic Caliphate. Each of these states equaled or surpassed all of the states in Europe combined.
The Mongols themselves defeated the Eastern European nations of Poland/Hungary/various Russian states...which at the time were equal or stronger than Germany/France/England.
Intranetusa 2 years ago
You are combining the Islamic Caliphate and comparing them the individual European states sounds a bit dodgy doesn't it? The middle east has always been a center for power since ancient times. Also Song China was a JOKE! lol, they built that great wall and all the Mongols did was move around it. China was enslaved under mongol rule for centuries.
depp1267 1 year ago 2
I'm comparing the Islamic Caliphate to ALL of Europe. And I'm comparing the Song Dynasty to ALL of Europe.
"they built that great wall and all the Mongols did was move around it."
Wrong. During the Song Dynasty, the great wall was barely used. The wall was only heavily emphasized during the Ming Dynasty, ~400 years later. The Song lasted 70 years against the Mongols...which wasn't too bad.
During their first "small raid" on Europe, the Mongols conquered Russia to Austria within 3 years.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
"I'm comparing the Islamic Caliphate to ALL of Europe. And I'm comparing the Song Dynasty to ALL of Europe."
"Furthermore, European states individually were far weaker than the powerful states at the time."
Also, the Chinese built the wall 5th century BC to 221 BC so they already had fortifications in place long before mongol invasions and repeated wars and invasions from other tribes. While Europe was completely unaware of the existence of such tribes.
depp1267 1 year ago 2
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Walls built in the 5th cent BC were built by various kingdoms of the Zhou Confederation against each other. The 221BC wall was not against the Mongols, but against the Xiongnu Confederation. The Han Dynasty had already defeated the Xiongnu by the turn of the millennium.
The Xiongnu scattered, and some became the Huns, who moved west and invaded Europe...800 years before the Mongols.
Europeans have known about and fought Eurasian nomads since 5th century BCE when Alexander fought the Scythians.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@Intranetusa
How can you claim they conquered all that territory in 3yrs Russia to Austria. When it took them 3yrs to conquer Russia alone? I am a bit wary of Chinese historians ....
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Intranetusa 1 year ago
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Ok, well technically, it took them 3 years to conquer Russia, and 1 year to conquer the space between Russia and Austria.
I'mma read off of a wiki now for simplification. Mongols decided to conquer Russia in 1335, and according to wiki they got to Russia in 1237 (when the Mongols actually started fighting Russia). They conquered it within 3 years. Then they sent troops into Eastern Europe in 1241 and got as far as Austria before they decided to turn back.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
You need to read the entire post.
"Furthermore, European states individually were far weaker than the powerful states at the time.
The two most powerful nations at the time were Song China and the Islamic Caliphate. Each of these states equaled or surpassed all of the states in Europe combined."
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@Intranetusa Yes I agree,the Mongols had a very hard time during the battles with song dynasty,however,it was rather easy for them to defeat korea,russia,central asia and eastern europe
aviationyu 1 year ago
Once again the Mongols took all those nations by Surprise and Each one of those Nations repelled the Mongol savages effectively after they learned of their hit and run tactics. Also Eastern European nations Poland/Hungary/and Various Russian states were not as strong as the Western Nations! Western nations had better armor and Centuries ahead with battle experience and better tactics. The Eastern European nations were still learning western European style of medieval fighting.
depp1267 1 year ago 3
The Mongols sent ambassadors ahead of time. They attacked the Caliphate after their ambassadors were executed. The majority of the time, their enemies knew they were coming ahead of time.
Contrary to today, Poland and Hungary were two of the strongest nations in the 12th century, individually stronger than England or France.
As for Western Europe haven't better equipment, no they didn't. You're probably thinking that Western Europeans had some awesome 16th German Gothic plate armor
Intranetusa 1 year ago
lol@ your comment about Eastern Europe being stronger. Western Europe had superior Armor since the Era of the Greek phalanx(note they are still in ancient times.) Then came the Romans who also were heavily armored. Even during the ancient times tribes such as the Franks, and the Ancient Goths had employed heavy armor due to constant warfare with the Romans.
validium9 1 year ago
1. Greece is in Eastern Europe.
2. The Roman Empire split into two, the Eastern and the Western section. The Eastern Empire (Byzantines) in Eastern Europe/Western Asia was far richer because their administration and wealth were transferred to Constantinople. They also had better armies because the western half was falling apart.
As for Franks & Goths, we're not talking about ancient times. We're talking about the 12th century medieval times. The ancient tribes of Western Europe were long gone.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
"your comment about Eastern Europe being stronger. Western Europe had superior Armor since the Era of the Greek phalanx("
1. Greece is in Eastern Europe
2. You are confusing the ancient era with the medieval era.
3. The main power in ancient times in Western Europe was the Romans, who eventually moved their capital to Eastern Europe anyways.
4. Even during ancient times, the Eastern Euros (Getai, Epierots, Macedonians, Dacians,etc) were more powerful than most of the tribes in the western euro
Intranetusa 1 year ago
1. Greece is in Southern Europe.
2. Western European tribes learned more from the greeks and the Romans than the Eastern Europeans.
3. I am talking the Ancient Era to try and tell you that Europe had superior armor since ancient times.
4. Romans destroyed the Macedonians.
validium9 1 year ago
1. We are talking about Eastern Europe vs Western Europe, NOT Southern Europe vs Northern Europe.
Greece is considered East Euro & South Euro
2. The Romans moved their capital to Eastern Europe. Roman culture was based on Greek culture.
3. East-Euro/West Asia actually had better armor than Western Euro in ancient times. The best armor came from the Successor states.
4. Romans moved from West-Euro to East-Euro. So East-Euro continued to benefit from Romans while the West-Romans collapsed.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
1. I never mentioned Northern Europe
2. Yes eastern Europe was more successful due to Constantine so what?
3. Many Western European tribes such as the Goths defeated many eastern european tribes.
All of what you mentioned is great...
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Intranetusa 1 year ago
Also Eastern Europe was not its former self during Medieval times it was swiftly defeated by the heavily Armored Teutonic Knights of Western Europe. Only when the Eastern Europeans had converted to Christianity and adopted a few Western European techniques they were able to expel the Teutonic Knights who had been weakened and corrupted at this point. Eastern and Western Europe don't even matter at this point since they both teamed together and were able to repel the mongol menace.
validium9 1 year ago 5
Repel the Mongols?
The Polish Knights, Knights of the Holy Roman Empire, Knights Templars, Teutonic Knights, and Hospitalers were pretty much massacred by Mongols during the battle of Legnica. And this was when the Mongols were outnumbered 4 to 1.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
Clearly you are a total TWAT! and have no idea what you are talking about! I saw that you mentioned before Europe had no wealth and the Middle East was part of their agenda? Is that why the mongols decided to come as FAR AS EUROPE and EGYPT just for a bloody raid? Sounds fishy to me? Clearly they weren't contempt with the wealth of India or China. They came for conquest. Also you mentioned Middle Easterners= Orientals? lol, i had a Turkish friend who said the exact opposite.
depp1267 1 year ago 8
@Intranetusa
Middle Easterners weren't oriental. Tell somebody from Iran or Iraq that they are oriental or mongol, and they will give you a piece of their mind.
As you stated: "Mongols are not directly related to modern day Turks..."
Also the Huns were not Mongol or Oriental they were Hungarian again if you tell some from Hungary that they were their ancestors were Mongol they will clearly deny it. I think you are spending too much time reaching Chinese propaganda.
depp1267 1 year ago 5
Also it is highly irresponsible for you to claim China did this and China did that. Most of what happened in ancient times is still shrouded in Mystery so far the Origin of "silk" itself is a mystery. Records show that the Greeks traveled as far as India and that's it. It seems like China wants some sort of foothold in the world and claim to have influenced everything, invented everything and been historically involved in everything.
depp1267 1 year ago 5
@depp1267 are you anti chinese
privatepinkbits 1 year ago
*reading*
depp1267 1 year ago 2
Middle Easterners are Oriental. The original definition of Oriental was the "East" specifically, near East. The definition for some countries was later changed to the Far East.
I stated Mongols are not directly related. The Mongols were a confederation of Eurasian tribes that would have included Turkic nomads. The Turks today are a mix of Greeks, Persians, Arabs, Turkic nomads, etc
The Huns were not all Hungarians. Most were Eurasians. Go read a history book.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@depp1267 I think you should get a life
historyboy32 1 year ago
@depp1267 People often confuse various eastern Turkic people (like the Kyrgyz or the Uyghur) with the ethnic group known as the Turks. The former could be said to, if not be oriental, look oriental to someone in the west.
wykydtron40551 1 year ago
@depp1267
depp1267, you need to learn some history. The Greeks created the word "Orient," meaning "East." Everything East of Greece = ORIENTAL.
What was east of Greece? Persia and the Middle East. So ORIENTAL = MIDDLE EAST
People thumbing me now have no knowledge in history.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@depp1267 There are many countries today who hold mongol ancestry actually.. Talk about the majority of eastern europe..? How can you even try and deny that.. history has shown that when an invading army comes to a foreign land they leave behind their ancestry.. How do you think latinos were made? Spanish armies raping native indians.. Dont talk with your foot in your mouth
ANGRYREDNECK55 8 months ago
@ANGRYREDNECK55 containing less than one percent mongol blood does not mean that the people there are "oriental", or "mongol". I am 99 percent Taiwanese and 1 percent Dutch, but if you met me on the street, you wouldn't call me dutch now, would you?
Latinos are a completely different story, created under hundreds of years of Spain, with intricate mingling of cultures. Comparing the two is like comparing a bar of bronze alloy to a bar of pure silver with a speck of iron on it.
brainwasher9876 6 months ago
@depp1267 lol you don't know anything, learn history pal
sergelenify 5 months ago
depp1267,
Explain this. If it was a full invasion as you claim, why did the the Mongols send less than 30,000 soldiers into Europe?
Whereas the Mongols had 150,000 soldiers during the siege of Baghdad ALONE.
150,000 Mongols attacking 1 city
vs
30,000 Mongols in their entire European campaign
Sounds like a raid to me.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@depp1267
Your statement is as stupid as when you claimed Japan was a significant power during the Mongol invasions and had invaded China.
Mongols sent less than 30,000 troops into Europe and won nearly every battle...unhindered until they had to return to Mongolia for elections. The Mongols sent 150,000 troops against the city of Baghdad alone.
30k = raid
150k = invasion
Numbers don't lie.
Intranetusa 1 year ago 3
@Intranetusa didnt mongolia onely have like 3 major battles against europe? one of the battles was a devistating loss to the mongols.
nior000 1 year ago
@nior000
The Mongols during the main invasion were undefeated in Europe. There were a lot of battles- Battle of Muhi, Battle of Legnica, etc. After their 2nd withdrawal (the death of the Khan), most returned back to Mongolia. The Mongol empire was split into various territories. The Golden Horde, the most western part of these territories, did fight more battles with European powers later on (this was 20 years after the main invasion).
This force of Mongols did suffer defeats by the Europeans.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@Intranetusa thanks for the information =). i never heard about the second invasion 20 years invaded though. what was this called? was there a name for this or a name for any of the battles that happened 20 years later or is it all mostly unknown
nior000 1 year ago
@nior000
I'm not sure if it has an official name or whatnot. Collectively it's just referred to Mongol expeditions/invasions into Europe or Western Eurasia
wiki has a good section on it: wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Europe
Intranetusa 1 year ago
1. Yes during ancient times Eastern Europe was more civilized and wealthier.
2. The Western Barbarians during the collapse of western rome had better armor, techniques and weaponry due to constant warfare with the romans.
3. Clearly you have no idea what YOU are talking about when you say eastern europeans like Macedonians, Dacians,and Greeks were more powerful?? Anything to prove that fact? Western euro tribes such as the Gauls were completely vicious sacking Rome and defeating Macedon.
validium9 1 year ago 7
You need to read up on some basic history.
Rome was only sacked once by the Gauls in 387BCE when it was extremely weak and barely more than a city state. Romans conquered the Gauls by the 1st century BCE and they were no more of a threat.
Yes, Eastern Europeans were far more powerful. Macedon, Greece, etc were all civilized states which had better armies than Western Euros. The reason why they were conquered by Rome is the successor civil wars.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
Rome were sacked. by the foederatis in the late fourth century AD because of lack of payment. i think the vandals allso did it once,but that im not sure about.
unitedfan1231 1 year ago
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" Western Europe had superior Armor since the Era of the Greek phalanx"
Sorry for the confusion what i meant was Europe had superior armor since ancient times.
validium9 1 year ago
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@validium9 yet roman armor and shields were easily penetrated by chinese bolts at sogdiana
pcekeep 1 year ago
lol, what and only for the Chinese to fight a depleted and weakened Roman army who had just fought a battle? They just captured a small territory which belonged to the Parthians not the Romans. Clearly the Chinese never encountered Caesar.. Also Alexander the great defeated the Sogdianans. Also nobody is sure what happened those were roman prisoners and when Chinese historians claim an immediate "easy" victory i am cautious. This is a very disputed claim which you have mentioned..
validium9 1 year ago 4
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we should negate chinese knowledge in warfare. ever familiar with sun tzu's art of war? also, chinese metal is far superior to europe had for centuries. keep that in mind. it was only during renaissance when europe surpassed china. but on the 1200s the chinese empire was ahead of europe.
pcekeep 1 year ago
@pcekeep
Yes I know of Sun Tzu, but Europe/Middle East had its own military maxims said by many famous people for a millennia which have led to many successful victories for centuries. People like Vegetius, Homer, Scipio Africanus, Cyrus the Great, Proverbs( middle eastern Judean document written by king solomon), Alexander the great etc.
validium9 1 year ago 3
@pcekeep
The truth is nobody knows who is superior and who isnt so far as records show advanced civilization ranged from Europe, Africa, Middle East , and the Indus. Im sure you have a sense of glee mentioning how the mongols defeated the Europeans and celebrate it. The fact is that Europe and the Middle East have been powerful for centuries their wisdom and knowledge from the ancient world effect us till this day.
validium9 1 year ago 5
@pcekeep
There are more than a billion Chinese on the planet and many millions live in the West. Its strange to see how many chinese lurk in every corner of the internet waiting for someone to mention history even if they havent mentioned the Chinese, the Chinese barge in talking about how the Chinese invented everything, how everyone great man has Chinese descendants and how the Chinese virtually superior to any advanced civilization history has recorded.
validium9 1 year ago 4
@pcekeep
This argument is silly and running in circles. Clearly this will come to no avail and to think all of this started when somebody mentioned the Mongols being cruel and the conversation expanded on to who is superior and who isnt. nobody even mentioned superiority. Clearly we dont know who is superior because neither ancient civilization clashed in a dramatic way.
validium9 1 year ago 5
@pcekeep
Such frivolous arguments are unnecessary, it seems that the Chinese want to boost their ego. One would think that if the Chinese were such an advanced civilization and had such a head start they would be more than a match for Europe during 19th century warfare. If you Chinese think you are superior thats great. Im sure your popular Chinese propaganda cinema bombards you with how superior you were to almost everyone. As far as the rest of the world well let history decide.
validium9 1 year ago 4
@validium9
Pcekeep may be biased, but you're really no different. You're both boosting your egos, he's claiming how China is so great, while you're basically claiming how Western Europe was invincible.
You both need to read up on basic history.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@validium9 the "art of war" was proven effective
even during the times of mongols and even
during the vietnam war.
pcekeep 1 year ago
Mongol king in India, turkey, east eorupe then became a Moslem.
Hadimful 2 years ago
The mongols invaded Russia like 60 turns ago. They sacked one city and now they're just standing there. Mean while I've nearly re-conquered the Roman empire for the king of Spain. Wtf. Are they ever going to do anything?
Neweddy24 2 years ago
hahahahaha....
whopper
alisminisokbiyerine 2 years ago
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accept it we asian once dominate the whites we are the most poweerful in the world for 2000 yrs and believe me it will just make you a fool if you persist
lcddg 2 years ago
the europe today stands thanx to russians,because they stopped mongols!
Axotrotl 2 years ago
actually nothing stops the mongols but themselves
lcddg 2 years ago
good points but it pisses me off when people say its an empire. i dont think you can call something an empire that was that short lived.
ChristianHalovids 2 years ago
you call the territories Alexanders conquered an empire don't you its the same thing.
FMA1109 2 years ago
i see your point and i agree. i dont call alexanders "empire" a real empire. an empire involves setting up of real physical infrastructure and culture diffusion.
ChristianHalovids 2 years ago
short lived? i bet u got that from an european or an american social textbook eh? The mongol empire started in 1100s and fell from power and influence in the 1600 when the manchurians took over. Mongol control ended in europe and the middle east at about end of 1300s maybe thats what u are referng to. Also the last khan died in 1956 and mongolia became influenced by China. But we did have the power to wipe everyone out if we wished, so i be grateful to chingis khan.
munguntulga 2 years ago
The only reason y mongols owns is because it's got the best cavalry in the world.
jimmyhunter7 2 years ago 2
I dont think gunpowder was around with reiters at this time period?
voulgier 2 years ago
Mongols are very beatable if you stick to siege warfare. Their horse archers are terribly deducted in a siege battle and if you can easily hold them off at the walls with pikes/spearmen and archers.
Valifarinian 2 years ago 2
those r not mongols those are timurids
voulgier 2 years ago
timuids were decended from Mongols
puchy110 2 years ago
please do something about your fps!
ArmandNLD 2 years ago
how do you unlock the mongol as a campaign faction
Germanchese 2 years ago
you can get the clouds across europe mod....it gets u the mongols and many others for campaign, like teutonic knights and all other unavailible campaign factions
Lz5040 2 years ago
you cant unlock the mongols
beresh111 2 years ago
you can't you need to modify the game, type in Mongol Chronicles part 1 and it'll show how
puchy110 2 years ago
any1 know how to play on internet med. total war 2 ?????
popblok70 2 years ago
my soulation to mongol invasion was a pure Cannon army though it was defeated i did take out 3 genrals with it
billjackee 2 years ago
i hate mongols like i kant beat them ever
LastRussianEmporer 2 years ago
I hat russian's politics ... I hate tzar's ... Im Polish...
zipek2311 2 years ago 2
lucky u u hate russian politics thats delightful check where im from buddy
LastRussianEmporer 2 years ago 2
Can't you avoid politics where it is unnecessary?
molotov47 2 years ago
why do u people think im like being a racist or something ur stupid i just hate the faction cus they seem so stacked
LastRussianEmporer 2 years ago
oh my god!!! those missile cavalry are so annoying! and how i shoud i be able to stop those elephants!
pyzyk12 3 years ago
maroom1 no they didn't invade germany, they just destroy their army that all.
d8654474 3 years ago
Himmelmann16, don't laugh too loud ok. we european like to use gun also against sword, bow, and spear like in the 19 and 20 century
d8654474 3 years ago
man!..is hard to play this game right now i'm playing with the byzantine empire vs mongols,but no matter what kind of units i got i just can not defeat those stupids archers..they are capable to defeat heavi cavalry...do you know how to defeat those bastards? :) .for me this game is unplayable when the mongols and trimuds invade!
rey1708 3 years ago
make use of cannon towers on the fortress. i found out that fighting mongols in the open field could be devastating.
xsilentrainx 3 years ago
Mongols and timurids are very beatable. Ive done it on very hard mode.
NEVER fight the mongols in middle east since it has open grasslands.
voulgier 2 years ago
or in scotland
saxophoneftw 2 years ago
We europeans like to fight with the sword dang mongolians and there cheapo bow lol :P. I was pretty proud when i was playing as england and had sieged mongolian kiev and when they sallied out with a full stack army of reinforcements(500vs 1500) it was pretty intence i first destroyed there sally force(500) than ran in the city took the walls with lbows and left my levy spears on ground by gate. it was a draw but i killed 1300 and lost 400.
Himmelmann16 3 years ago
In reality the mongols never invaded germany ?! I'm right ?
maroom1 3 years ago 3
yep but they invaded poland
Ell898 3 years ago 2
Why do people care so much about history in a PC game? Get imagination! it doesnt matter!
hiddenThecakeisalie 3 years ago
True but they might as well argue
mackdady412 3 years ago
they didnt invade but the germans french even the english helped poland and hungary and was defeated
cambodian555 3 years ago
whazzzzzzz aaaaaa
KonstantineTheGreat1 3 years ago
what up !!!!!
dumbraash 3 years ago
hmm no ending, do u win in the end or not?
Rustycleat 3 years ago
The Hunnu Empire was the very first kingdom of
Mongolians. During the fall of Hunnu empire, some tribes migrated to European rich pasture, and that's the history of Huns.
Hunnu - Huns make sense ? kkk ktnx.
gichiilzgene 3 years ago
Sorry mate but that's not great.
YiddoBobbins 3 years ago
Mongolia had an empire 5 times the size of the roman empire but then they spread themselves 2 thin and there empire collapsed simple mistake people have been making since the stoneage
LeEBoii3 3 years ago
It was around twice the size in terms of population. Land is all very well but it takes little power to rule it when there's no-one living there!
YiddoBobbins 3 years ago
is it possible to install this w/out the key in the manual? i lost the manual and i dont wanna buy another game...
fnatr 3 years ago
The mongols were the best archers in the world even better then longbowmen because of their ability to outran any european spearmen or heavy cav so chasing them and the mongols never ever just ran into the spears
birthday42 3 years ago
those weren't the mongols. it was the germans running into the mongols. however, it was stupid to charge heavy cav into forlorn hope. too bad this game is so loaded with bugs and the diplomacy system is whack. we'll see what they do with empire: total war...
you1986tube 3 years ago
agreed, buggy buggy. kingdoms made it better, but I will say that this was not a polished game when it came out. Rome gameplay is still better even with the patches. And im not talking about the cavalry
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pendragonpics 3 years ago
Erm elephants are Timurids not mongols
245cjh245cjh 3 years ago
I'm sure european armies would have adapted to fight the mongols in time, their error was challinging them on the field.
But in time someones 'light bulb' would have clicked and they'd set up defensive formations of heavy spearmen and crossbows to see them off, also, burning the grass/hay on european farmlands so theres less food for the mongol horses to eat.
Camilo83 3 years ago 4
Hey they all went back to mongolia in the end couse their leader died or they would kinda smash their way through europe
245cjh245cjh 3 years ago 2
spartans weren't only "brave", they had efficient phalanx formation tactics that gave them the edge. One on one they were also good, but they would be raped without their tight phalanx formation.
Omerath9 3 years ago 3
422hugo you're a retard. "They wooped ass like real men"... ahahaha, the only thing that matters is the most effective way of killing your opponents and securing victory. The mongols made way for the biggest empire this world has ever seen. The ones who put their bravery behind their intelligence win, the stupid regressive bastards who care more about being "manly" and showing bravery than intelligence lose.
Omerath9 3 years ago
dude this is the Timurid invasion not Mongols. unless someone got mercenary elephants somehow
jrpink13 3 years ago
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MONGOLS are the biggest pussys ever!..these chickens never fought with out a bow n arrow!..lol and on top of that ON A HORSE!!!..bigest pussys ever.. SPARTA is KNOWN TO BE THE BEST.. why because they wooped ass like real men!!... s0rry dud but WHITE PEOPLE ARE MEANT TO BE THE BEST!!!not some pussy JAPANESSE on a horse!
"0h" and one last thing SPARTANS are BORN for WAR s0n!!! +_+
422hugo 3 years ago
Also spartans were defeated later in their own way of fighting by other greeks.
hamilkarpi 3 years ago
what a complete retard
mongols pwned every europian because they were light not wearing some crappy heavy
army that got you bogged down everytime there was mud
UnknownSoldier1995 3 years ago
Mongols aren't japs in the first place...
And secondly, history speaks for itself on who is "greater" -> obviously the Mongols.
It doesn't matter how you obtain a crushing victory, it only matters that you obtain it, and Genghis Khan knew that very well, as well as his successors.
helvete1991 3 years ago
You say white people are meant to be the best ... but you're not white.
Chingada
nightslayer11 3 years ago
MONGOL FT!!! omg n1w3 timurids suck....
zymethrox 3 years ago
it would be nice if you filmed while zoomed out so we can see more of the battle, nice effort
bloodfaceislandman 3 years ago
when do the timurids and the mongols come into play in the campaign?
Akonited 3 years ago
tumerids have elphants
kamil2006 3 years ago
the system requirements for this game are ridiculous... im so bummed my pc cant handle it
kuroiya88 3 years ago 3
Mongols are not barbarians and mongolian army did not have elephants
lsgpejrgijabi 3 years ago 7
srry i ment unit
mikeyboy777777 3 years ago
is 240 men the largest number?? in an army?
mikeyboy777777 3 years ago
the mongols won???
Jwill10281991 3 years ago
Timurids better than mongols!
Anyone know how to work cinematic editor?!
n1w3 3 years ago
MONGOLS FTW!! DUDE
timurids sucl
zymethrox 3 years ago
the trimudes worse lol they have elepahnts with cannons on
ryanpp112 3 years ago
Haha i can tell you i was one of the first to get belted by the mongols when they first arrived and i can tell you it wasnt pretty for me lots of men lost terribly ended up forcing me out of my land lucky i had other places to go :D
nyphix4321 3 years ago
hey how do u get countries to become a vassal, i want bitches cause i destroy their whole army and almost all their settlements and they aint doin it
pplofchill 3 years ago
ya i know man its impossible.
ChristianHalovids 3 years ago
how do u view your settlement in 3d like in rome total war?
abcgoureshabc 3 years ago
You can't.
kortenaken 3 years ago
in4lab in ur situation build spearmen and archers cuz mongols focuz mainly on cav and i play medieval and beated it so this is good advice trust me thats wut i did :) good luck :)
eveyluver 3 years ago
hey, what is the best defence against mongols???' do they attack all Europe??? im preparing for them, should i invest in infantry or cavalary against them???
in4lab 3 years ago