Republicans Voting NO on Issue 2 - Senator Bill Seitz

[jedmondson67]

Think on this - Big Labor spent over $30 million to defeat Issue 2. Where did this money come from? The members, who had no choice in paying dues or what they'd be used for. If union's are so pro-worker, they should have given this money BACK to the workers instead of for their own political gain. Lmao, and people think CORPORATIONS are corrupt! At least we know they're in it for a profit!

[109alien]

YES ISSUE 2!! The unions are cheating us. They have been for a long time! Everyone else is hurting. So why should the unions be special!? YES ON ISSUE 2!!!

[jedmondson67]

We have a mnemonic for people like this - RINO - Republican In Name Only. That's what's wrong with this country, and what has gotten us into the mess we're in! The problem is not taxes, I can attest to that, with 1/2-3/4 of my hard earned money being stolen in taxes. It is a SPENDING problem. Quit treating public employees and union members like royalty and make people responsible for their own actions as individuals, not as members of a group who donate to your campaign!

[DrClaw77]

@jedmondson67 We who don't exist in a reality distortion field have a name for people like Bill Seitz = sensible. Putting aside partisan politics for the greater good is not means for ostracizing someone, it's call for praise. Issue 2 has been sold as a means to keep the public sector honest... but it's really funded/supported by business interests outside Ohio. That alone is reason to reject it.

[jedmondson67]

@DrClaw77 The only one living in a "reality distortion field" is you. "but it's really funded/supported by business interests outside Ohio." Really?! I could have sworn it was a bill to close an $8 BILLION dollar budget deficit, not FUNDED by anyone. Put down the rhetoric and look at the facts, learn to read a balance sheet and income statement, the state constitution, and then maybe you can have an opinion. Public workers don't deserve better than everyone else, plain and simple!

[DrClaw77]

@jedmondson67 Public workers are not getting any better than anyone else; that's the first myth. The corporate backers of this bill have built an imaginary strawman to be attacked, one that's easily to bait potential voters into believing. The truth is that some corporate backers of this bill (namely Eaton), who made over $900 million in PROFIT last year, got $4 million dollars free from the state government that won't be paid back, to build a new swanky HQ. During a deficit. Think on that.

[jedmondson67]

@DrClaw77 Sure they are! Just recently my local newspaper printed the salaries and benefits for the teachers in my district, many of which were earning just below, at, or above the 6 figure mark, all of which I had as a student, and can tell you collectively they weren't worth 6 figures. As for this $4 million dollars, I'm skeptical, let's see the check. I'm assuming they got some sort of tax break, GOOD. Keeping more of the money you earned isn't a handout, and doesn't "cost" the gvt anything

[Mandolin1944]

So Senator you want the UNIONS continue to control the public employee pensions/benefits until it’s totally bankrupt? When Ohio can NO LONGER PAY and defaults THEN WHAT? You are left hanging. Whose fault will it be?

Example, a chief law officer of a SW Ohio county retired last year to a pension equal to about 90% of his salary, free medical insurance, and several $100K in one-time benefits (unused leave etc.) How many tax payers does it take to support this one public retiree Jerry?

[ricglos]

AMEN tport1622 ,where is the taxpayer represented in this bargaining process? HUM , Taxation without representation? Didnt this once before happen in our history?

[tport1622]

You mean like you give the management in the private sector by legislating in Ohio a "right to work" state. This means that management in the private sector can do whatever they want with their employees, but the public sector employees have to have better bargaining positions? You already have the richest benefits package in the state whether private or public employees. How is this fair to the private sector employees and why should we continue to pay for overpriced government services?