This is not a Kalashnikov-47. Its A Saiga 7.62x39 russian sporting rifle. Kalashnikov rifle design had a shorter stock, a pistol grip and a 30 round magazine and the trigger was moved back a little further then on the Saiga. This Saiga has a 10 round magazine a longer sporting stock, and a pistol grip.
@SeNs3NoEvil so IN YOU OPINION if its not 762x39 its not ak but IN FACT the ak platform and reliability holds true in more than one caliber not trying to argue here trying to inform
with pro mag get the 5th or 6th Gen no problems with mag wobble they even leave tha bolt open after the last round only on 6th Gen though but the 5th Gen all bugs this guy talkin about are gone with the new ProMags
If you own an AK and you have to force yourself to utter the words, "I FORCED it, and it broke and wasn't any good anymore" then whatever broke does not belong on an AK.
is there any alterations to the gun or mag to make it work or is everything just as original as it gets?.... just trying to decide if this sorta rifle is right to me.
@samscookie what are you talking about like 95% of the parts are identical, they just moved the tigger back and installed a linkage to the original trigger assembly. All the changes are cosmetic, it can be converted to a standard ak setup in like 30 mins. Its just an ak chambered for .223, which is a bolt and barrel away from being a 5.45 ak 74.
The Saiga is not an "AK-type" or "AK lookalike" or some other idiocy. It's a real AK with the FCG moved rearward for importation purposes. All other internals are identical. Also, the improved accuracy is from the Saiga's chrome-lined bore, not from it being "not an ak". Hell, a lot of the receivers (mostly the ones w/ mag well dimples and Y-pin stamps) on the Saigas were on the military AK assembly line at some point before being put on the civilian line.
@unauthorizedentry01 agree with you on everything but the chrome lining, it actually degrades accuracy and increases barrel life. From what i read they apply the chrome after the cut the rifling into the barrel which effects how the rifling cuts into the barrel, i think that why alot of companies making compition ar's give you an option.
i am planning on buying a saiga 5.45x39 or a 7.62x39..i also live in CA limited to aonly 10 rounds, but i have access to hi caps, can i just slap some surefire hi caps on without any mods? i really need a straight forward answer before i buy a saiga
@kp7100 yes an no, some people have jamming issues because some military hi cap mags need bullet guides, which the saiga doesnt have since their stock non spec mags are designed to work without one. Some people dont have any issues tho, worst case senario you buy one for like 15 bucks from a saiga conversion site, their easy to install.
My Promags were crap, but your comment about the Surefire mags has me interested in getting those for my Yugo M90A (imported they run for around $40). The 922r law actually dictates that no more than 10 imported parts (and those are specific parts mentioned in the 922r regulations). On average that results in 5-6 US parts on an AK (depending on if it is a stamped or milled receiver). Good video considering though!
I didn't read all the comments so I don't know if it has been covered.
I know many folks have been going to 20 rd mags on many of these rifles to allow the shooter to "lay low" closer down to the ground when shooting prone.
@eworldplaza Have you ever owned or shot one of these rifles. They are great rifles, you are the one that is a throw away, these are Russian rifles idiot. Let me guess, a wasr fan. Now a wasr-10, that's trash.
@eworldplaza HK, like a G36, those are overpriced weapons, 900$+ or more for a pistol, I'm guessing German chocolate is way more expensive to right. I'll stick with my arsenal aks, saiga, and berreta 92fs. The extra unnecessary money can be spent on ammo.
I have one example why somebody would like to cut their magazine: I use a Saiga M3 EXP-01 .223 Rem as a hunting rifle. In my country (Finland) the _hunting legal_ magazines capacity is 2 (Yes, TWO!) . But we only have 30 rds magazines available here! And I'd rather have my hunting legal magazine made of a smaller mag, I cannot use the full capacity anyway and smaller is handier.
Thank you for the warning about ProMags also. (Mine doesn't wobble though(at leat not yet)
I thought on a Saiga 223 the bolt would stay open after every shot on all the rifles? IDK why it would not do it with certain aftermarket clips. With the factory 10 rounds it stays open after the last shot I think.
@kylecX360 I have original factory 30 rd magazines only (+one ProMag I bought 2 days ago and I haven't tested yet) The lock does not stay open after the last shot with the original magazines. It is not supposed to. It is the way the magazine is designed. It says so even in the User's manual.
It is possible to make a magazine that keeps the lock open after the last shot, but only some aftermarket magazines have that feature.
Wow...a Saiga in 7.62 is more expensive there than a .223? :O Here .223 Saiga is much more appreciated (because it is more accurate etc) and more expensive.
wtf is with the wobble complaint.Anyone that purchases this firearm isn't going on any covert operations.Yea it might be annoying but for shooting on some sunny range in bumphuck california it's good.I swear I've heard more complaints about how better 7.62 over 5.56 and quality of weapons from people that sit at desks all day then cops or military.
1 other thing on federal law 922r...you can not have more than 10 imported compliance parts...and with magazines the spring is not a compliance part....it is the Body, Follower, and Floor Plate.
you may have to file a bit off of the front of the mag so that the bullet guide doesn't prevent the mag from seating properly, but yes, with a little filing you can still use your promags and surefires.
the promags and surefires that are meant for the saiga .223 have what amounts to a bullet guide built into the magazine feed lips, so when you install a bullet guide on the rifle, you need to file those off.
Thanks for doing the Video Ryan, I am definately considering getting one of these for my Birthday coming up and it's good to have some info on it. Great Videos as always
NO. The Mag body, follower and BASE PLATE are the complaint parts. I believe that the spring is not compliant because it can not be marked with an identifier that states its country of origin.
@ryanjcus Having built AKs for years I can say the mag spring is not one of the parts recognized for 922r compliance (the parts you need to have that are US). The mag body, follower and plate are the 3 parts that count towards this silly little law.
@ryanjcus No..... The mag body, the follower, and the floorplate are the compliant parts. There are even a few guys who fabricate floorplates for foreign mags--just to get that extra compliance part.
@MultiAntimony its quite apparent you have some anger issues. so lemme share with you the first amendment, ill say what i want, and you cant do flying fuck about it.
That does not mean 7.62 is less common. Its EVERY WHERE. I can buy it in any gun store and I am in stupid ass California. Its JUST as available as 223.
Firstly you clearly are not reading my statements. World Wide, 7.62 is more common. There are more Saiga's, SKS and Ak-47 firearms world wide than there are the hunk of shit AR-15 or M16. I know VERY few people who own AR weapons and I know even fewer who do NOT own some weapon that takes a 7.62 round. In THIS country there is no DOUBT that you are right that 223. has a higher production rate. HOWEVER its more expensive and used by our military and police. Not as common with the people.
Oh holy shit a Cabela's employee! No doubt you are the expert on this conversation. Bet you have a Cabela's diploma on the wall. And yet.... Sportsmans guide has a better deal on some ammunition than you. Damn. Get a grip. You are dead wrong. Welcome to the real world.
First superrhino, no, not just a handful of nations are using the x39 in their militaries. Most of Africa. Much of South America. Still several Eastern European nations still use it albeit are phasing it out. Most of S.E. Asia. The Chinese are still using it in REMF units. Much of the Middle East.
Second, the AK74 DOES NOT use the 5.56 as you said. It is a 5.45x39.
Nice try. A guy who gets daily(or weekly, make up your mind) ATF stats(? why) working at a gun store would know that.
@HuimisKiss Yeah, superrhino, a major authority on the firearms of the world(because he is a janitor at an ammo wholesaler or something, he couldn't seem to make up his mind on that), didn't know that. In fact, his knowledge was so deep and concise and his statements so verifiable as fact, he had to remove his (*cough...ignorant lies...cough) comments.
Just an FYI, the Promag Saiga .223 mags are designed after their standard .223 AK mags. The Saiga has the mag well size of a 7.26x39 which I guess is for ease of production. You can actually (if you modify the trunion or mag so standard AK mags will fit) fit a standard 7.62x39 mag into a .223 Saiga and it will fit perfectly.
The Promag is designed for the narrower factory .223 AK mag wells which leaves some wiggle room. The good part is that the AK is designed to be loose so this won't matter.
Im sorry but there is no fucking way the 223. is more common than the 7.62x39. It may be AS common but not more common. And I really dont understand the 223. being better because its smaller and lighter so you could carry more ammo. The 7.62 is a short light round I can assure you whatever you are using to carry your ammo in you will be able to carry an equal amount of either. There WILL be a weight difference but bullet for bullet you wont carry more of one than the other.
This only applies if you carrying an extensive amount of ammo.
If someone is only going to carry a "standard" load out of 7 to (maybe) 9 mags total, the 7.62x39 won't be too much heavier. But if you load your vest with 12 to 16 mags, 7.62x39 is way too heavy and will be too much for even a highly conditioned operator. Especially if you want to wear armor.
I prefer the 7.62x39 round over the .223, but I would rather have the lower weight and greater mobility/speed while carrying the same load.
I know my facts you arrogant dumb fuck. 7.62x39 and 7.62x54 for the Mosin Nagant can be bought ANY WHERE in America. I live in California and have NO trouble finding .223 for my AR 15 or 7.62 for my Saiga and SKS rifles. But the FACT is 223. though common here is NOT common else where. While as 7.62 is more common WORLD WIDE and its CHEAPER even here in the States. So get a clue you ignorant liberal shit for brains.
in case you dont remember a while ago there was an ammo shortage maybe not country wide but on my side of the country, .223 ammo could be purchased at 9 out of ten pawnshops or sporting supply stores including walmart and 1 out of ten might of had 7.62x39 plus our military and law enforcement agencies use .223 so the fact is .223 will always be more prevalent in america ... i ordered some 7.62x39 about a year ago it took 6 months to get here.. the .223 arrived promptly same week...
if that was my rifle i'd stick wiht the side mounted scope base and use a soviet pso 8x42dv on it since the 5.56nato has a flatter path than the 7.62russian short.
Nice video. It does sound like you may have mixed up the 7.62x51 (308) version with the 7.62x39...which is the original AK cartridge. I doubt that the 7.62x39 was $200 dollars more than the 223 but the 308 one probably was that much more. All three of these rounds are very common and that should not be a factor in buying, but the 7.62x39 can be had for cheaper in surplus and new production...not trying to nit pick you just clarifying...nice video, nice gun.
Yes do not buy the Promags, they will mis-feed, double feed and jam your gun big time. Relying on Promags in a real gun fight WILL GET YOU KILLED.
Also if you put a quad rail, foregrip, and the works to make it tactical it will make the gun really front heavy, which it already is. It will make the gun unwieldy and it will be hard to do mag changes and racking the slide in emergency situations.
and yes, promags are garbage. I have a couple for my Saiga-12 that literally needed to be filed, boiled, and baked to work right.
To anyone else reading this, buy these guys up ASAP. The 5.56 and the 7.62x39 can be had for 350-400, and the .308 for about 500. And that's for a brand new AK with warranty from the original Izhmash factory that Comrade Kalashnikov himself still works at, not a century or some other questionably reliable gun or basement bent receiver.
SOUPxORxSALAD is a tool! Saigas are more accurate than the Ak47's being imported today. They cost less and are more accurate from 150 yds than the AK variants that cost $500+.
Great vid. Got one of these myself :) Well built and very reliable. You're absolutely right about 922r. I tried to explain this to Saiga owners on YouTube and had people cursing me out and fighting me tooth and nail over the issue. Folks this guy is right A FACTORY SAIGA that has a NON FACTORY hi-cap mag is ILLEAGLE. From the factory there aren't enough American parts on the weapon to use the hi-cap.., and as the reviewer suggested, the trigger assembly is a way to go to be compliant.
@ryanjcus You're both right. However, I think as gun lovers we ought to call standard capacity magazines exactly what they truly are. Not what the commies say they are. In my book a 30rd is standard capacity for an AK.
i got the same mag and it dont shake that much lol.. also im new with the whole gun thing i just bought a advanced technology pistol grip for the ak. would that fit on this????
I got 2 of the surefire mags and I actually had to shave off part of the tab that goes in the magazine release on the rifle. Neither of them would fit in and "clamp" in. Even after, mine to not "click" when you put them in like yours do.
I'm not 100% sure but I thought that the 5.56 version is called AK-74 not AK-47 which is the original 7.62. Doesn't really matter to me. I live in "Banifornia" Will never be able to have hi-cap mags let alone one of those. All I have are some WWII bolt action and one M1 carbine (10 rnd mag lame) Also where can I get a pair of those gloves?!
No the ak-74 fires the 5.45 x 39 which is known as the poison bullet. It is a hollow bullet (not hollow point) that creates one hell of a wound cavity. It was made to out perform the 5.56
not in australia, we need firearms license to get pellet guns and paintball.....it sucks ass. we lost all semi auto rifles as well in 1996 when some fuck nut blew a bunch of people away.
we are still allowed semi auto pistols ( for use strictly on firing range )....for now
it's legal in california, just not in the set up shown here in this video. if you buy it vanilla (without a pistol grip) and standard 10 round magazines, it's legal.
does anybody know if the new H&K 556 is available anywhere in the world for non army people like me at all becaus i live it i have a m4 now but i want to get rid of it so a somment with some info would be nice thnx
Why the hell does a person need an AK anyway? Are you finding yourself in combat on the way to the grocery store. I am not antigun or anything but it's kinda ridiculous.
Why not have an AK??? They are fun to shoot. Obviously, you are either a gun hating liberal or a fool who has bought into the Liberal Agenda of the Media. Oh, you say its because they are Assault Weapons? Well you're wrong!! This rifle in the video and the vast majority of every AK in the US are NOT Assault Weapons. They are semi-auto AK rifles, not assault weapons. Get your facts straight!
why would it matter what type of rifle your shooting? if i was shooting a musket from the 1700 hundreds would you say "do you think your a british fighter?"
I have one too but I preferred the side rail mount better. I want that stock but don't know if it's legal un California.
toxotoxik 1 week ago
My Promags dont wobble and the bolt stays open when empty . Promag updated their mags after a ton of complaint . The tips also do not break as easily
grnknight78 1 week ago
I hear the Promag's for Saiga 12s are no bueno aswell.
louie000007 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
This is not a Kalashnikov-47. Its A Saiga 7.62x39 russian sporting rifle. Kalashnikov rifle design had a shorter stock, a pistol grip and a 30 round magazine and the trigger was moved back a little further then on the Saiga. This Saiga has a 10 round magazine a longer sporting stock, and a pistol grip.
CCWInTraining 1 month ago
What did the surefire mags cost you?
Floridainfidel 1 month ago
Coz I have a Saiga 223 but I have a regular butstock...with no pistol grip...
CrzyDragon25 2 months ago
Where did u get ur butstock?
CrzyDragon25 2 months ago
Its not an AK 47, if it shoots a 223. Thats like putting a Camaro engine in a Mustang.
SeNs3NoEviL 2 months ago
@SeNs3NoEviL you can get a 7.63x39 upper for an ar 15 does that make it not and ar 15 because its not shooting .223?
BITDktmguy450 2 months ago
@BITDktmguy450 Um yeah
SeNs3NoEviL 2 months ago
@SeNs3NoEvil it is not the round that makes an AR an AR or an AK an AK it is the platform and action of the weapon that makes it what it is
BITDktmguy450 2 months ago
@BITDktmguy450 w/e you want to say, Im just saying I wouldnt put a weak fucking round like a 223 in an ak. AK's are known for their stopping power
SeNs3NoEviL 2 months ago
@SeNs3NoEvil so IN YOU OPINION if its not 762x39 its not ak but IN FACT the ak platform and reliability holds true in more than one caliber not trying to argue here trying to inform
BITDktmguy450 2 months ago
You mag warbles because you bought a cheap version with no nickle stamp to secure the sides of the magazine.....
jodopeg 2 months ago
with pro mag get the 5th or 6th Gen no problems with mag wobble they even leave tha bolt open after the last round only on 6th Gen though but the 5th Gen all bugs this guy talkin about are gone with the new ProMags
TrifeThaDon 5 months ago
If you own an AK and you have to force yourself to utter the words, "I FORCED it, and it broke and wasn't any good anymore" then whatever broke does not belong on an AK.
Shalashaska2099 5 months ago
Have you tried the Galil mags yet? The Weigar and some Orlites work too.
sadeyedangel 5 months ago
Promag SUCKS, the worse magazine company out there.
TheMedievalMan 6 months ago
is there any alterations to the gun or mag to make it work or is everything just as original as it gets?.... just trying to decide if this sorta rifle is right to me.
131JOHAN131 6 months ago
your video doesnt make any sence at all. if the guns arnt compliant with the laws thay couldn't be imported in the first place
greygoosevodka1 8 months ago
how many guns do you have? lol
JusticeBird007 8 months ago
PRO MAG IS CRAP.
TheSoundBarrier 9 months ago
@TheSoundBarrier Agreed.
Experience: Got about 10 for my girlfriends Ruger 10/22 they cause consistent jams.
Promag is shit. I hear their mini14 magazines are better than factory mags but than again I also hear mini 14's are crap.
Just passing info and experience.
SoCalTactical 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I don't like not having instant access to the internal parts with your rail.
Not being able to just take the dust cover right off is a minus.
On another note, I've never heard Saiga pronounced the way you say it. You're adding in a vowel.
breakneck14 10 months ago
Comment removed
breakneck14 10 months ago
@samscookie what are you talking about like 95% of the parts are identical, they just moved the tigger back and installed a linkage to the original trigger assembly. All the changes are cosmetic, it can be converted to a standard ak setup in like 30 mins. Its just an ak chambered for .223, which is a bolt and barrel away from being a 5.45 ak 74.
gigalo86 10 months ago
put some electric or duct tape on it , should solve the wiggle and noise
FOXnewsAlien 11 months ago
Do the pro mags on the rifle have a bho? my saiga 12ga came with bho.
geiswiteb 11 months ago
Boring.
snarfnog1 11 months ago
Comment removed
ihoppy 1 year ago
@samscookie
The Saiga is not an "AK-type" or "AK lookalike" or some other idiocy. It's a real AK with the FCG moved rearward for importation purposes. All other internals are identical. Also, the improved accuracy is from the Saiga's chrome-lined bore, not from it being "not an ak". Hell, a lot of the receivers (mostly the ones w/ mag well dimples and Y-pin stamps) on the Saigas were on the military AK assembly line at some point before being put on the civilian line.
unauthorizedentry01 1 year ago
@unauthorizedentry01 agree with you on everything but the chrome lining, it actually degrades accuracy and increases barrel life. From what i read they apply the chrome after the cut the rifling into the barrel which effects how the rifling cuts into the barrel, i think that why alot of companies making compition ar's give you an option.
gigalo86 10 months ago
i am planning on buying a saiga 5.45x39 or a 7.62x39..i also live in CA limited to aonly 10 rounds, but i have access to hi caps, can i just slap some surefire hi caps on without any mods? i really need a straight forward answer before i buy a saiga
kp7100 1 year ago
@kp7100 yes an no, some people have jamming issues because some military hi cap mags need bullet guides, which the saiga doesnt have since their stock non spec mags are designed to work without one. Some people dont have any issues tho, worst case senario you buy one for like 15 bucks from a saiga conversion site, their easy to install.
gigalo86 10 months ago
@kp7100 Buy a 5.45 and then yes.
ThePoisonYouth 6 months ago
Thinking about getting one of these and I have just one question, how does the barrel do when pumping alot of ammo through it in a short time?
tallpaleandugly 1 year ago
get the 308 supposedly its even better gun
ecosby100 1 year ago
My Promags were crap, but your comment about the Surefire mags has me interested in getting those for my Yugo M90A (imported they run for around $40). The 922r law actually dictates that no more than 10 imported parts (and those are specific parts mentioned in the 922r regulations). On average that results in 5-6 US parts on an AK (depending on if it is a stamped or milled receiver). Good video considering though!
USCOMBATDIVER 1 year ago
I bought a Pro Mag and it is junk! Lots of wobble and will not make it through all 30 rounds with out jamming multiple times.
MrShawnc992001 1 year ago
How do you like the dragunov style stock? Comfortable?
Thanks for the mag info!
Omnignosis 1 year ago
Thank you for posting this sir. Awesome post
ChroniclesofPyth 1 year ago
I didn't read all the comments so I don't know if it has been covered.
I know many folks have been going to 20 rd mags on many of these rifles to allow the shooter to "lay low" closer down to the ground when shooting prone.
kuernodechivo 1 year ago
Thanks for posting very Interesting need to know stufff great
Heneryfordrules 1 year ago
YAY I know which mags to buy now when I get my Saiga!
kylecX360 1 year ago
Lmao why do you have those black robber gloves on????
bmanjuice 1 year ago
my reveiw on this weapon is Junk it's a throw away like a bic lighter,
eworldplaza 1 year ago
@eworldplaza Have you ever owned or shot one of these rifles. They are great rifles, you are the one that is a throw away, these are Russian rifles idiot. Let me guess, a wasr fan. Now a wasr-10, that's trash.
crest2598 1 year ago
@crest2598 Yes I have a 223 and a 762x39 sagia and I sold a 410 semi shot gun saiga, maybe i demand alot more, I did have a wasp but sold that also,
I am looking at the sig or HK GERMAN MADE weapons, not farm tractor parts and calling it a quality machine.
eworldplaza 1 year ago
@eworldplaza HK, like a G36, those are overpriced weapons, 900$+ or more for a pistol, I'm guessing German chocolate is way more expensive to right. I'll stick with my arsenal aks, saiga, and berreta 92fs. The extra unnecessary money can be spent on ammo.
crest2598 1 year ago
why do u pronounce "Saiga" with an extra 'A' after the 'i'? u say it like "Saiaga"
venomouseye 1 year ago
what is he doing with live rounds in the weapon for a video?!
MrCitizen28 1 year ago
Thank you for the video!
I have one example why somebody would like to cut their magazine: I use a Saiga M3 EXP-01 .223 Rem as a hunting rifle. In my country (Finland) the _hunting legal_ magazines capacity is 2 (Yes, TWO!) . But we only have 30 rds magazines available here! And I'd rather have my hunting legal magazine made of a smaller mag, I cannot use the full capacity anyway and smaller is handier.
Thank you for the warning about ProMags also. (Mine doesn't wobble though(at leat not yet)
HuimisKiss 1 year ago
I thought on a Saiga 223 the bolt would stay open after every shot on all the rifles? IDK why it would not do it with certain aftermarket clips. With the factory 10 rounds it stays open after the last shot I think.
kylecX360 1 year ago
@kylecX360 I have original factory 30 rd magazines only (+one ProMag I bought 2 days ago and I haven't tested yet) The lock does not stay open after the last shot with the original magazines. It is not supposed to. It is the way the magazine is designed. It says so even in the User's manual.
It is possible to make a magazine that keeps the lock open after the last shot, but only some aftermarket magazines have that feature.
HuimisKiss 1 year ago
i have one like dis for 400 ANY ONE INTERESTED u can reach me at marco _cuzz94@yahoo.com
MrMike1016 1 year ago
Wow...a Saiga in 7.62 is more expensive there than a .223? :O Here .223 Saiga is much more appreciated (because it is more accurate etc) and more expensive.
HuimisKiss 1 year ago
this odd law would explain why alot if not all the europian manufacturers have an american subsidiary/sister company.
whylie74 1 year ago
ive had bad luck with anything promag, they suck
DESERTHAWKIN 1 year ago
Can you somehow attach 2 15 round surefire magazines to make 1 30 round magazine?
vato777 1 year ago
wtf is with the wobble complaint.Anyone that purchases this firearm isn't going on any covert operations.Yea it might be annoying but for shooting on some sunny range in bumphuck california it's good.I swear I've heard more complaints about how better 7.62 over 5.56 and quality of weapons from people that sit at desks all day then cops or military.
screamingspool 1 year ago
7.62x39 has a bigger bullet but smaller in height. The round is just as popular as the .223 maybe even more.
Gunluver1 1 year ago
in my saiga theres a rectangle squeeze at the mag holding spot
anilraj420 1 year ago
mags make it 922 compliant when inserted......lol how funny is that. so if the feds ever kick in the door, make sure you have you mag in.....:)
cool vid, just earned you another sub!
ramtron1775 1 year ago
@ramtron1775
The mag alone is not enough to make it 992r compliant. The mag counts as 3 parts. by law it needs 4 us made parts. The spring does not count.
72twist 1 year ago
1 other thing on federal law 922r...you can not have more than 10 imported compliance parts...and with magazines the spring is not a compliance part....it is the Body, Follower, and Floor Plate.
athleticcombat 1 year ago
If you install a bullet guide you can use steel galil mags. They work wonderful, are cheaper, and are higher capacity.
indoorsoccerfrea 2 years ago
If a bullet guide is installed in the .223 can I still use my promags, and surefires without anything going wrong.
infernil 1 year ago
you may have to file a bit off of the front of the mag so that the bullet guide doesn't prevent the mag from seating properly, but yes, with a little filing you can still use your promags and surefires.
the promags and surefires that are meant for the saiga .223 have what amounts to a bullet guide built into the magazine feed lips, so when you install a bullet guide on the rifle, you need to file those off.
indoorsoccerfrea 1 year ago
Would this make a good yote/defensive option? Like the ak, and I like .223.
Lillredneck 2 years ago
Can these weapons take the same beating as their AK forfathers?
HazMatMedia 2 years ago
Thanks for doing the Video Ryan, I am definately considering getting one of these for my Birthday coming up and it's good to have some info on it. Great Videos as always
CharonXul 2 years ago
the magazine spring is not a compliance part.
the magazine floor plate is the compliant part.
i7q 2 years ago 2
No..... The mag body, the spring, and the follower are each a compliant part. 1 Magazine is 3 parts.
ryanjcus 2 years ago 9
the spring is NOT a compliance part.
body
follower
floor plate
LOOK IT UP!
i7q 2 years ago
@ryanjcus
NO. The Mag body, follower and BASE PLATE are the complaint parts. I believe that the spring is not compliant because it can not be marked with an identifier that states its country of origin.
72twist 1 year ago
@ryanjcus is that a IZ 114?
drewstarr71 1 year ago
@ryanjcus Having built AKs for years I can say the mag spring is not one of the parts recognized for 922r compliance (the parts you need to have that are US). The mag body, follower and plate are the 3 parts that count towards this silly little law.
USCOMBATDIVER 1 year ago
@ryanjcus No..... The mag body, the follower, and the floorplate are the compliant parts. There are even a few guys who fabricate floorplates for foreign mags--just to get that extra compliance part.
dobravery 11 months ago
@ryanjcus your saying it like sigh ay guh, its say guh
joshkkv 7 months ago
@joshkkv Who the hell cares how its pronounced?
MultiAntimony 6 months ago
@MultiAntimony lol i was correcting him. calm yourself.
joshkkv 6 months ago
@joshkkv It's quite apparent that you were correcting him. My question is who the hell cares?
MultiAntimony 6 months ago
@MultiAntimony its quite apparent you have some anger issues. so lemme share with you the first amendment, ill say what i want, and you cant do flying fuck about it.
joshkkv 6 months ago
@joshkkv I'm the one with anger issues? I think not. You were 'just correcting him,' and I'm just pointing out that no one cares.
MultiAntimony 6 months ago
Hey man, I don't feel like going through all the other posts to see if anyone else asked, so where did you get that picitinny rail for $30?
sclark1701 2 years ago
Comment removed
superrhino100 2 years ago
That does not mean 7.62 is less common. Its EVERY WHERE. I can buy it in any gun store and I am in stupid ass California. Its JUST as available as 223.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
Comment removed
superrhino100 2 years ago
Firstly you clearly are not reading my statements. World Wide, 7.62 is more common. There are more Saiga's, SKS and Ak-47 firearms world wide than there are the hunk of shit AR-15 or M16. I know VERY few people who own AR weapons and I know even fewer who do NOT own some weapon that takes a 7.62 round. In THIS country there is no DOUBT that you are right that 223. has a higher production rate. HOWEVER its more expensive and used by our military and police. Not as common with the people.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
Comment removed
superrhino100 2 years ago
Oh holy shit a Cabela's employee! No doubt you are the expert on this conversation. Bet you have a Cabela's diploma on the wall. And yet.... Sportsmans guide has a better deal on some ammunition than you. Damn. Get a grip. You are dead wrong. Welcome to the real world.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
First superrhino, no, not just a handful of nations are using the x39 in their militaries. Most of Africa. Much of South America. Still several Eastern European nations still use it albeit are phasing it out. Most of S.E. Asia. The Chinese are still using it in REMF units. Much of the Middle East.
Second, the AK74 DOES NOT use the 5.56 as you said. It is a 5.45x39.
Nice try. A guy who gets daily(or weekly, make up your mind) ATF stats(? why) working at a gun store would know that.
WurledPeas 1 year ago
Comment removed
superrhino100 1 year ago
Comment removed
superrhino100 1 year ago
@WurledPeas You are absolutely right. AK74 uses 5.45x39. AFAIK only AK-101 uses 5.56 NATO (and of course .223 Rem)
HuimisKiss 1 year ago
@HuimisKiss Yeah, superrhino, a major authority on the firearms of the world(because he is a janitor at an ammo wholesaler or something, he couldn't seem to make up his mind on that), didn't know that. In fact, his knowledge was so deep and concise and his statements so verifiable as fact, he had to remove his (*cough...ignorant lies...cough) comments.
WurledPeas 1 year ago
TAPCO mags are good too. i never had a prob with them.
lccapp 2 years ago
Just an FYI, the Promag Saiga .223 mags are designed after their standard .223 AK mags. The Saiga has the mag well size of a 7.26x39 which I guess is for ease of production. You can actually (if you modify the trunion or mag so standard AK mags will fit) fit a standard 7.62x39 mag into a .223 Saiga and it will fit perfectly.
The Promag is designed for the narrower factory .223 AK mag wells which leaves some wiggle room. The good part is that the AK is designed to be loose so this won't matter.
shawnmlynch 2 years ago
Im sorry but there is no fucking way the 223. is more common than the 7.62x39. It may be AS common but not more common. And I really dont understand the 223. being better because its smaller and lighter so you could carry more ammo. The 7.62 is a short light round I can assure you whatever you are using to carry your ammo in you will be able to carry an equal amount of either. There WILL be a weight difference but bullet for bullet you wont carry more of one than the other.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
This only applies if you carrying an extensive amount of ammo.
If someone is only going to carry a "standard" load out of 7 to (maybe) 9 mags total, the 7.62x39 won't be too much heavier. But if you load your vest with 12 to 16 mags, 7.62x39 is way too heavy and will be too much for even a highly conditioned operator. Especially if you want to wear armor.
I prefer the 7.62x39 round over the .223, but I would rather have the lower weight and greater mobility/speed while carrying the same load.
shawnmlynch 2 years ago
in america .223 is everywhere ,if you live anywhere else in the world 7.62x39 is more prevalent... so calm down and check your facts....jack ass
badas45 2 years ago
I know my facts you arrogant dumb fuck. 7.62x39 and 7.62x54 for the Mosin Nagant can be bought ANY WHERE in America. I live in California and have NO trouble finding .223 for my AR 15 or 7.62 for my Saiga and SKS rifles. But the FACT is 223. though common here is NOT common else where. While as 7.62 is more common WORLD WIDE and its CHEAPER even here in the States. So get a clue you ignorant liberal shit for brains.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
in case you dont remember a while ago there was an ammo shortage maybe not country wide but on my side of the country, .223 ammo could be purchased at 9 out of ten pawnshops or sporting supply stores including walmart and 1 out of ten might of had 7.62x39 plus our military and law enforcement agencies use .223 so the fact is .223 will always be more prevalent in america ... i ordered some 7.62x39 about a year ago it took 6 months to get here.. the .223 arrived promptly same week...
badas45 1 year ago
Is it difficult to swap out the trigger group in these rifles?
slym444 2 years ago
No not really. The hardest part is getting the bolt lock spring back in place
Boostedvw8 2 years ago
i have a rifle just like it and a 7.62 saiga and the .223 is way more accurate i like .223 way better than my 7.62
callmebuba 2 years ago
if that was my rifle i'd stick wiht the side mounted scope base and use a soviet pso 8x42dv on it since the 5.56nato has a flatter path than the 7.62russian short.
adrianrubi 2 years ago
They have an adapter out that will fit AR mags. It's not supposed to wabble either.
Halo2100 2 years ago
Nice video. It does sound like you may have mixed up the 7.62x51 (308) version with the 7.62x39...which is the original AK cartridge. I doubt that the 7.62x39 was $200 dollars more than the 223 but the 308 one probably was that much more. All three of these rounds are very common and that should not be a factor in buying, but the 7.62x39 can be had for cheaper in surplus and new production...not trying to nit pick you just clarifying...nice video, nice gun.
M00nMan01 2 years ago 15
@M00nMan01 Go to Arms of America they have saia for like 300$ 308's are about 600$
maloso1313 1 year ago
nice vid. It is actually pronounced 'sigh-gah'
agurchik 2 years ago 3
nice review I been seeing the 233 for 500 though
FreshNoobDancer 2 years ago
promag is shit
get Bulgarian magazines
Shellshock1918 2 years ago
you can upload the video as HD, just use a converter and change the resolution that ends with either 720 or 1080.
jellofast 2 years ago
is surefire American?
SHTFzombies 2 years ago 2
yes
infernil 1 year ago
i have (and love) surefire 30 round mags for my .223 and i never knew what the ridges were for. thanks
coma8coma1 2 years ago
I think they have a 308 version too.
sukmydikobamaunazi 2 years ago
they do i habe one love it. i dont really see why you would buy the .223 though just get an ar. .223 is not that accurate
cbr6864 2 years ago
@Ryanjcus: Have you considered Arsenal Bulgaria mags?
Briggs1700 2 years ago
Pro Mag sucks!!!!!
NoLongerFooled 2 years ago 5
I echo that oft-repeated sentiment.
Zeitgeist74 2 years ago
i hope u know soons u take the mag out there goes 3 american parts
ETM299 2 years ago
Comment removed
ETM299 2 years ago
thats why you dont buy cheep guns. hear all noise that gun makes
ETM299 2 years ago
we the people :)
Ninja8productions 2 years ago
Yes do not buy the Promags, they will mis-feed, double feed and jam your gun big time. Relying on Promags in a real gun fight WILL GET YOU KILLED.
Also if you put a quad rail, foregrip, and the works to make it tactical it will make the gun really front heavy, which it already is. It will make the gun unwieldy and it will be hard to do mag changes and racking the slide in emergency situations.
subjer0 2 years ago 3
it's pronounced Sigh Guh..
and yes, promags are garbage. I have a couple for my Saiga-12 that literally needed to be filed, boiled, and baked to work right.
To anyone else reading this, buy these guys up ASAP. The 5.56 and the 7.62x39 can be had for 350-400, and the .308 for about 500. And that's for a brand new AK with warranty from the original Izhmash factory that Comrade Kalashnikov himself still works at, not a century or some other questionably reliable gun or basement bent receiver.
aresdesmoulins 2 years ago 3
Where is the best place to buy an AK47 parts kit?
245akolmane 2 years ago
Good video, good gun.
grannman 2 years ago
asshole dont put a full clip if you aren´t going to shoot
55546 2 years ago
Magazine u dumb fuck.
combatwombat98 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
ugh saigas..fucking hate them!
Dammmj 2 years ago
that's great dammmj, you can stand over there with the rest of the isolated losers.
grannman 2 years ago
SOUPxORxSALAD is a tool! Saigas are more accurate than the Ak47's being imported today. They cost less and are more accurate from 150 yds than the AK variants that cost $500+.
brown55061 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Saigas fucking suck.
SOUPxORxSALAD 2 years ago
mmmm why explain why they suck dont be a dumass and just say "Saigas fucking suck"...
clubtc05 2 years ago
wrong
hotvenue 2 years ago
If they suck when they happen to be better than you, then you must be wallowing in a cess pit of suck by comparison.
grannman 2 years ago
he musta bought a overpriced Romanian peice of shit AK and is jealous.
combatwombat98 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Watch over 100,000 movies for free go to comeseemovies(DOT)tk
clockworkorange24 2 years ago
Great vid. Got one of these myself :) Well built and very reliable. You're absolutely right about 922r. I tried to explain this to Saiga owners on YouTube and had people cursing me out and fighting me tooth and nail over the issue. Folks this guy is right A FACTORY SAIGA that has a NON FACTORY hi-cap mag is ILLEAGLE. From the factory there aren't enough American parts on the weapon to use the hi-cap.., and as the reviewer suggested, the trigger assembly is a way to go to be compliant.
squeakD 2 years ago 4
there not high cap mags there '' normal cap'' 30 rounds is normal for this kind of rifle...
combatwombat98 2 years ago
True, but with our screwed up gun laws legally it's considered high cap
ryanjcus 2 years ago
exactly.....
combatwombat98 2 years ago
well fuck legally
mujahedeen1987 2 years ago 23
@mujahedeen1987
Say that again when you got haul in.
and say that again when you are not able to own any fire arm after the Fed done with you.
Stay legal and enjoy the gun
LaksaMedan 1 year ago
@ryanjcus You're both right. However, I think as gun lovers we ought to call standard capacity magazines exactly what they truly are. Not what the commies say they are. In my book a 30rd is standard capacity for an AK.
numba1stunna4269 1 year ago
yea the pro mags do have a problem breaking, bought five of them and all the lips broke off, they were all 30 bucks.
infernil 2 years ago
How is the metal finish for that rifle? Is it just blue or is it more like a parker finish?
SimpleDan76 2 years ago
where did u buy that rail, and how much did it cost? ive been trying to decide whether to buy a ar-15 or a ak-47.
thefinalgamer 2 years ago
do you know how reliable these guns are are they as reliable as a 7.62 AK47 or what?
delzerman 2 years ago
i got the same mag and it dont shake that much lol.. also im new with the whole gun thing i just bought a advanced technology pistol grip for the ak. would that fit on this????
jeremy76888 2 years ago
no, due to the trigger group being in the rearward position for import to the US.
srouxd162 2 years ago
what are your groupings at 100 yards
dp665 2 years ago
I'd rather have the 5.45 round, just buy in bulk when you find em..
drewd1987 2 years ago
I got 2 of the surefire mags and I actually had to shave off part of the tab that goes in the magazine release on the rifle. Neither of them would fit in and "clamp" in. Even after, mine to not "click" when you put them in like yours do.
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
i just bought one yesterday and i was showing my friend outside then in the matter of 5 minutes 5 cop cars were at my house. i was like wtf??? lol
jeremy76888 2 years ago
I'm not 100% sure but I thought that the 5.56 version is called AK-74 not AK-47 which is the original 7.62. Doesn't really matter to me. I live in "Banifornia" Will never be able to have hi-cap mags let alone one of those. All I have are some WWII bolt action and one M1 carbine (10 rnd mag lame) Also where can I get a pair of those gloves?!
StateTheSmash 2 years ago
No the ak-74 fires the 5.45 x 39 which is known as the poison bullet. It is a hollow bullet (not hollow point) that creates one hell of a wound cavity. It was made to out perform the 5.56
drewd1987 2 years ago 2
You need to do more research. Only certain types of 5.45 ammo are hollow. Military ammo is steel core, not hollow.
srouxd162 2 years ago
You are right, my mistake.
IIRC, the early 5.45 was hollow but was later made steel core?
drewd1987 2 years ago
the rattle is a easy fix. where is your screw driver that you keep on the gun to remove that cover?
compliant ? thats funny , i have a GOOD SITE IT CALLED THE CONSTITUTION IT SAYS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
IRSFRAUDEXPOSED 2 years ago 2
Is a pistol grip legal in all states? I wanna get one for mine.
clintonio23 2 years ago
for now but its on the obama gun ban list
IRSFRAUDEXPOSED 2 years ago
Comment removed
infernil 2 years ago
new jersey generally sucks nuts, too, relating to gun stuff.
De908 2 years ago 5
will they let you bring your airsoft gun anywhere in the states?
IPostUDownload 2 years ago 2
I can assure you, this is real, but ya you can have a air soft anywere in the U.S . Hell most places around the world let you use air soft.
infernil 2 years ago 2
not in australia, we need firearms license to get pellet guns and paintball.....it sucks ass. we lost all semi auto rifles as well in 1996 when some fuck nut blew a bunch of people away.
we are still allowed semi auto pistols ( for use strictly on firing range )....for now
cladam81 2 years ago 2
Wrong, "Anywhere in the U.S" Its unfortunatly its illegal in newyork city
SocomElite187 2 years ago
it's legal in california, just not in the set up shown here in this video. if you buy it vanilla (without a pistol grip) and standard 10 round magazines, it's legal.
thishero 2 years ago 2
does anybody know if the new H&K 556 is available anywhere in the world for non army people like me at all becaus i live it i have a m4 now but i want to get rid of it so a somment with some info would be nice thnx
fonkyman 2 years ago
sick. i'll have to get me one. damn old people at the grocery store. i fuckin love aks
BoLovesSkateboarding 2 years ago
Praise The LORD
and Pass The Ammunition!
Russian S.K.S. or High Point Carbines
Are Good! Right Out of The Box!
Less Expensive & Just As Good or Better!
Deo Vindice!
rebelstang 2 years ago 2
Why the hell does a person need an AK anyway? Are you finding yourself in combat on the way to the grocery store. I am not antigun or anything but it's kinda ridiculous.
newmark2020 2 years ago
Why not have an AK??? They are fun to shoot. Obviously, you are either a gun hating liberal or a fool who has bought into the Liberal Agenda of the Media. Oh, you say its because they are Assault Weapons? Well you're wrong!! This rifle in the video and the vast majority of every AK in the US are NOT Assault Weapons. They are semi-auto AK rifles, not assault weapons. Get your facts straight!
TacticalPatriot 2 years ago
why would it matter what type of rifle your shooting? if i was shooting a musket from the 1700 hundreds would you say "do you think your a british fighter?"
listen, heres what you need to do
1 shut up
2 shoot one so you realize how fun they are
3 dont criticize someone for having a great rifle
analmunkey 2 years ago 2
Doe