To all my Catholic brothers & sisters, try not to reason with those who believe Christianity only started with Luther, they have no knowledge of Church history or the Church Fathers.
They are blind, one of these "people" below states that the early Church "read scripture" little does he know there was no canon, it was preached by the Catholic priests & bishops who also gave him the same Bible his heroes butchered & altered, but they are ignorant of this reality, blind leaders of the blind.
Catholics! Do not be shaken by someone telling you Christ is not present in the Holy Eucharist, it is merely the continuous work of satan to break up Jesus' Church, The Catholic Church.... Protestants, my Church was established by Jesus Christ, who established yours?
God is offended by receiving Him on "dirty" hands(ONLY priest can touch Him) in the Holy Eucharist!
Only accepted by Heaven form of receiving living Heart of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist of the Catholic Church is into our mouth and on our both knees!
As far as the New Testament is concerned, Jesus didn't pluck part of His flesh out to be eaten by His disciples at the Last Supper, which should be the primary example of celebrating the Lord's Supper afterwards. Where does the Bible say that the bread actually turns into Christ's flesh? The Last Supper was also symbolic, the Lord's supper is symbolic. Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross was the one true real thing.
For those who still doubt the presence of Christ at the Eucharist u should try to Google "Eucharistic miracle"... If u're still nt convinced after doing ur own thorough research than Amen... it's like Jesus said "Even if a dead man come alive" you guys still wont believe so arguing is pointless...
Ratranmus wrote: "The bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ in a FIGURATIVE sense" (De corpore et sanguine Christi) Bread and wine are offered, being the FIGURE of the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. They who participate in this visible bread eat, SPIRITUALLY, the flesh of the Lord. (Macarius, Homily xxvii.) Macarius of Egypt (ca. 300-391)
We return to Calvary? Nope. All you are doing is returning to a catholic building every week. It's one thing to be book smart and another to be wise.
during the Mass, time and eternity fold into one and the priest, acting for Jesus speaks his words at the last supper and the bread and wine actually become the body, blood, soul, divinity and humanity of Jesus. So since there was only one sacrifice, we are actually present at that one sacrifice which took place at Calvary. Tell me, did you read the John 6 referance yet?
@cheesemonkey1990 Rome teaches that the Mass is a continual "sacrifice" of Jesus Christ, but God's word states that Jesus made the FINAL sacrifice on Calvary! This is made perfectly clear in Hebrews 10:10-12:"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
@johnthreesixteen316 When the words THIS IS MY BODY are apoken, they are the same words of Jesus, and through the Priest He continues to speak those words again and again to make himself present for our spiritual nourishment.
Christ is not present in the eucharist. He died once and for all 2000 years ago.....Hebrews....."So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. . . ."
I would strongly recommend reading John 6: 24-71 and pay special attention to what Jesus has to say in Verses 51-53 and 71 about Judas. Not believeing in the True prescence was the first crack in his discipleship. Yes, Jesus did die 2000 years ago, which is why at Mass we return to Calvary at the one sacrifice. No one in the Catholic Church has ever said anything about re killing Jesus.
What are you saying that Jesus is not present in the Eucharist? your inasane...
Jesus said that this is my body and blood not a symbol but it is real..... and He said that do this in memory of me..it means we always doinf this in memory of HIM..... everytime we celeberate the Eucharist we remember His sacrifice for US and b'coz of that we saved......and we are always celebrating the victory of God
if you not belive you are in a demonic teaching. satan hates the Eucharist
Jesus said that he is the bread coming from heaven../....... and He command the apostles to do this in memory of HIm...that is clear.....and the teaching of the catholic church is the only teaching that can trace back from the early church fathers and from the apostles " the Ditache"
@goku3882 Hello friend. Christ said He was speaking figuratively. Christ also said we must be born again. Was He speaking literally here too? No He wasn't.
@goku3882 Emperor Constantine was the first to proclaim himself pontius maximum, a title STILL used by popes. He combined Christianity and added his paganism ( hence the candles, prayers for dead people, mary worship, idols, statues, incense, etc. ).
@bigboyburnsy In John chapter 6 Christ is speaking about eating His flesh. Then He goes on to explain what He meant....."63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." He is clearly speaking figuratively when he says to 'eat His body and drink His blood'.
@kiwichristian2009 In verse 6:52 the Jews said "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" Jesus never tried to reason with them or tried to explain to them instead he replies "Verily, verily, i say unto you, except ye EAT the flesh of the Son of man, and DRINK his blood, ye have no life in you.
Verse 55 "For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."
this is more than just figurative speech, this is literal, straight from the mouth of our LORD.
only Catholic church has the authority from Jesus.... and that is proven even the world history had trace back the origin of the church no other religion can do that.b'coz all non-catholic churches are man made.........
No one can give the name of the person who build the catholic b'coz it is Jesus who built the catholic.... but all non catholic has the person founder ryt so who is the cahurch built by man or by Jesus........think about it.
if catholic is man made who is that person found the catholic.......all non catholic has the human founder and we can pinpoint them but the catholic WHOM?
@goku3882 The early church as described in the NT did the following: shared all things in common, relationships, support missionaries/ministers, teaching & preaching, praying, worshiping, reading of scripture, evangelism, fostering spiritual gifts. No where does the NT dictate fancy buildings, robes, repetitive prayer, a priesthood, Mary worship, sectarianism, or any order of service, etc.. all these are MAN-MADE traditions ADDED ON.
@goku3882 The true church of Jesus Christ is a relationship, not a membership. It isn’t any particular protestant denomination or Roman catholic. It doesn't have a roof or an address. We are the Body of Christ, past, present and future from all around the world who have accepted Christ’s work on the cross for our sins 2000 years ago, once and for all. Our names have been written in the Book of Life from the beginning. 1 cross + 3 nails = 4 given.
@goku3882 John 6:63....."It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." Christ was speaking spiritually, not literally.
The Didache (Did-Ah-Key), or teaching of the Apostles, 9:1-5
Let no one eat or drink of the Eucharist with you except those who have
been baptized in the Name of the Lord; for it was in reference to this that
the Lord said, "Do not give that which is Holy to dogs." Matthew 7:6
how about this according to the church fathers.... proven in the world history that catholic church is only church that can trace from Jesus...no doubt
@goku3882 If the bread and wine are literally Jesus, then He didn't need to die on the cross. Roman Catholics have completely missed the meaning here.
@goku3882 Hello friend. The Bible is quite clear. Read John 6. Christ is our spiritual bread. We don't literally eat Him. Christ speaks in parables all through the gospels. Even if Christ was speaking literally, (which He isn't) Roman Catholics aren't actually eating His literal body and drinking His literal blood anyways. They can't. His literal body and literal blood ascended into Heaven 2000 years ago.
@goku3882 My dear friend......the Bible says Christ is the Lamb, the True Vine, the Stone, the True Light, the Gate, the Rock, the Word, the Horn of Salvation, the Bread, the Capstone, the Bridegroom, the Lion etc. etc. These are all firgurative descriptions of Christ. Is Christ literally a stone or a Lion? No. And He isn't literally bread either. He is our spiritual bread which has been brought down from Heaven.
there are several niracle in the eucharist and all miralce has happened to the catholic...... why there is none of the non catholic?that is transbutation He command to do that in memory of him not once but always...
@goku3882 Must Christ be continually sacrificed in the mass, or was His blood sacrifice on the cross 100% sufficient to pay for all our sins for ever? In John19:30 Jesus said, "IT IS FINISHED", which in the Greek is "Tetelestai" meaning "to make an END, to ACCOMPLISH, to COMPLETE something, not mearly to end it, but to bring it to perfection or its intended goal."
@goku3882 The very record of history, (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Cyprian and Hippolytus) which the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches love to quote as authority, proves that before 200 AD, the church viewed the bread and juice as symbols. Conversely, the earliest historical hint of transubstantiation was in the 4th century.
@goku3882 Hello friend. It has been proven scientifically that the little round piece of bread has not changed in form after the transubstantiation 'miracle'. There is no miracle here. The real miracle happened 2000 years ago on the cross.
Jesus Christ is truly present in the Holy Eucharist-body, blood, soul, and divinity! Read the Gospel of John chapter 6, especially verses 54-56. Many of the most essential things in life are unseen- air, heat, love, oxygen, and of course electricity in the modern world. We can't see these things but we know from their effect that they exist. It is the same with the real presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. We know by faith and we know by feeling and seeing the effects it has in one's life.
@nweires Just prior to the consecration of the mass, if someone added arsenic to the elements of bread and wine, would the poison within those elements be changed and made harmless after the consecration was finished, and would the priest and the people now partake of these changed substances, if not why not?
Yes, Jesus the SUN rose on SUNday. It is only symbolic. The Equinox is the time when the sun crossifies the equnox and overcomes darkness (evil) as more hours of daylight are celebrated
you keep changing your story to contradict what I am saying, it doesn't really work that way. The Gospels were ALL based on eye witness accounts, those witnesses were the men who knew Jesus Best: the apostles.
John's gospel was written by him in the year 90 AD. It is the same with any biography ever written, for example George Washington, do you think ANYONE alive remembers him, no. In the case of Our Lord, the Oral Tradition of the apostles.
Jesus is the solar personification of the SUN. The SUN of God gives us wine as photosynthesis turns water with sunlight into the vine that gives us wine. The same with bread, as photosynthesis and Jesus the SUN gives us crops to make bread. That is why wine and bread is symbolic of Jesus THE SUN, THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD, THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MANKIND. WHO COMES IN CLOUDS FOR ALL EYES TO SEE. WHO'S REFLECTION WALKS ON WATER, WHO IS OUR RISEN SAVIOUR EVERY DAY. JESUS IS SIMPLY THE SUN, NOTHING ELSE.
actually, "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world." Jesus is the total fulfillment of the Old testament, as the Isralites ate bread on passover and their mortal lives were spared so we eat the bread that comes down from heaven and our immortal lives are saved and nourished. cf. Jn. 6: 50-55
yes, the old testament is astrotheology as well. Jesus the SUN is the lamb of god in the constellation of Aries, which is at the Spring equinox, the same time as the jewish passover, that means the SUN passes over the Spring equinox. Jesus the SUN takes away our sins as sin means without, thus Jesus the SUN removes the world without light and heat. All religion is symbolism for a more universal meaning, not to be taken literally I'm afraid.
you have forgotten to take into account the fact that they were on a different callander than we are today, therefore what could have been mid April then could have been the dead of winter now, this is even true of Shakespeare's time, depending on which callander you use, he could have been born May 11 (our callander) or April 23 (his callander of the day. Passover takes place AFTER the spring eqanox: it would begin the first thursday after the first monday after the 1st full moon after it.
They celebrated the passover or the crossification of the SUN on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the equinox, this was because Sunday was the day of the SUN and a full moon was needed for light at night. This was the case many many thousands of years ago, and was passed on by literal religion.
actually first Sunday after the first Monday after the equanox. Passover was on a Thursday: hence why Jesus celebrated the last supper Thursday, died Friday and rose on Sunday: it has nothing to do with astrology or astronomy or any other such non sense. Jesus was a true person and was exactly who he claimed to be.
The original festival BEFORE Christianity was the first Sunday after the full moon after the equinox. The version you are citing is the one made up by Rome. Only literal Christianity made up in the 4th century by men with vested interest is total nonsense, the astrotheology makes complete sense. Jesus is a myth.
the version I cited was from Exodus: Passover began before Sabbath (sundown Friday to Midnight Sunday). It was always begun on Thursday. 500 AD: by then The bible had been compiled and the councils of Rome, Nicea and Jerusalem had already taken place, and Christianity was by then the official religion of the Roman Empire. J.C. celebrated passover with his apostles on a Thursday as was the custom. To say otherwise means that they were doing an age old tradition WRONG: highly unlikely.
Not explicitly, but it can VERY easily be implied. The Jewish sabbath began sundown on FRIDAY. The last supper was the previous night. The people wanted the bodies removed because it was unlawful for thier bodies to remain on crosses during that time. That is why the thieves' legs were broken: so they would die quickly. PLUS: Jesus rose on the first day of the week: Sunday, that IS specifically noted.
To all my Catholic brothers & sisters, try not to reason with those who believe Christianity only started with Luther, they have no knowledge of Church history or the Church Fathers.
They are blind, one of these "people" below states that the early Church "read scripture" little does he know there was no canon, it was preached by the Catholic priests & bishops who also gave him the same Bible his heroes butchered & altered, but they are ignorant of this reality, blind leaders of the blind.
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JJJOUTLAW 9 months ago
Catholics! Do not be shaken by someone telling you Christ is not present in the Holy Eucharist, it is merely the continuous work of satan to break up Jesus' Church, The Catholic Church.... Protestants, my Church was established by Jesus Christ, who established yours?
JJJOUTLAW 9 months ago
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God is offended by receiving Him on "dirty" hands(ONLY priest can touch Him) in the Holy Eucharist!
Only accepted by Heaven form of receiving living Heart of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist of the Catholic Church is into our mouth and on our both knees!
God bless you and be brave
JezusSlave 10 months ago
Can someone give me all the verses that back up the Holy Eucharist?
bigboyburnsy 11 months ago
As far as the New Testament is concerned, Jesus didn't pluck part of His flesh out to be eaten by His disciples at the Last Supper, which should be the primary example of celebrating the Lord's Supper afterwards. Where does the Bible say that the bread actually turns into Christ's flesh? The Last Supper was also symbolic, the Lord's supper is symbolic. Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross was the one true real thing.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
For those who still doubt the presence of Christ at the Eucharist u should try to Google "Eucharistic miracle"... If u're still nt convinced after doing ur own thorough research than Amen... it's like Jesus said "Even if a dead man come alive" you guys still wont believe so arguing is pointless...
Quynhtrinh 1 year ago
Ratranmus wrote: "The bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ in a FIGURATIVE sense" (De corpore et sanguine Christi) Bread and wine are offered, being the FIGURE of the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. They who participate in this visible bread eat, SPIRITUALLY, the flesh of the Lord. (Macarius, Homily xxvii.) Macarius of Egypt (ca. 300-391)
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
We return to Calvary? Nope. All you are doing is returning to a catholic building every week. It's one thing to be book smart and another to be wise.
johnthreesixteen316 2 years ago
during the Mass, time and eternity fold into one and the priest, acting for Jesus speaks his words at the last supper and the bread and wine actually become the body, blood, soul, divinity and humanity of Jesus. So since there was only one sacrifice, we are actually present at that one sacrifice which took place at Calvary. Tell me, did you read the John 6 referance yet?
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
@cheesemonkey1990 Rome teaches that the Mass is a continual "sacrifice" of Jesus Christ, but God's word states that Jesus made the FINAL sacrifice on Calvary! This is made perfectly clear in Hebrews 10:10-12:"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago 4
@johnthreesixteen316 When the words THIS IS MY BODY are apoken, they are the same words of Jesus, and through the Priest He continues to speak those words again and again to make himself present for our spiritual nourishment.
cheesemonkey1990 8 months ago
@cheesemonkey1990 Hello friend. You have missed the metaphor. Oh well.
johnthreesixteen316 8 months ago
Christ is not present in the eucharist. He died once and for all 2000 years ago.....Hebrews....."So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. . . ."
johnthreesixteen316 2 years ago
I would strongly recommend reading John 6: 24-71 and pay special attention to what Jesus has to say in Verses 51-53 and 71 about Judas. Not believeing in the True prescence was the first crack in his discipleship. Yes, Jesus did die 2000 years ago, which is why at Mass we return to Calvary at the one sacrifice. No one in the Catholic Church has ever said anything about re killing Jesus.
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
@johnthreesixteen316
What are you saying that Jesus is not present in the Eucharist? your inasane...
Jesus said that this is my body and blood not a symbol but it is real..... and He said that do this in memory of me..it means we always doinf this in memory of HIM..... everytime we celeberate the Eucharist we remember His sacrifice for US and b'coz of that we saved......and we are always celebrating the victory of God
if you not belive you are in a demonic teaching. satan hates the Eucharist
goku3882 1 year ago
@goku3882 Hello friend. Christ was speaking figuratively.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
Jesus said that he is the bread coming from heaven../....... and He command the apostles to do this in memory of HIm...that is clear.....and the teaching of the catholic church is the only teaching that can trace back from the early church fathers and from the apostles " the Ditache"
goku3882 1 year ago
@goku3882 Hello friend. Christ said He was speaking figuratively. Christ also said we must be born again. Was He speaking literally here too? No He wasn't.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@goku3882 Jesus also said He was a door. Was He a literal door, yes or no?
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009
He said " Do this in memory of Me" so wats wrong with that? thats why catholic always doing this just to remember Jesus.
Answer my question if catholic is not for Jesus so who found the catholic? it must be genuine document of proof....I dare you to answer this.
goku3882 1 year ago
@goku3882 Emperor Constantine was the first to proclaim himself pontius maximum, a title STILL used by popes. He combined Christianity and added his paganism ( hence the candles, prayers for dead people, mary worship, idols, statues, incense, etc. ).
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Yes but Christ says clearly "My flesh is REAL food and my blood is REAL drink.."
bigboyburnsy 11 months ago
@bigboyburnsy In John chapter 6 Christ is speaking about eating His flesh. Then He goes on to explain what He meant....."63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." He is clearly speaking figuratively when he says to 'eat His body and drink His blood'.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 In verse 6:52 the Jews said "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" Jesus never tried to reason with them or tried to explain to them instead he replies "Verily, verily, i say unto you, except ye EAT the flesh of the Son of man, and DRINK his blood, ye have no life in you.
Verse 55 "For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."
this is more than just figurative speech, this is literal, straight from the mouth of our LORD.
bigboyburnsy 11 months ago
@johnthreesixteen316
only Catholic church has the authority from Jesus.... and that is proven even the world history had trace back the origin of the church no other religion can do that.b'coz all non-catholic churches are man made.........
No one can give the name of the person who build the catholic b'coz it is Jesus who built the catholic.... but all non catholic has the person founder ryt so who is the cahurch built by man or by Jesus........think about it.
goku3882 1 year ago
@goku3882 The Roman Catholic church is man-made. It rejects the clear teachings of the original Greek manuscripts.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
if catholic is man made who is that person found the catholic.......all non catholic has the human founder and we can pinpoint them but the catholic WHOM?
goku3882 1 year ago
@goku3882 Rubbish. The Bible clearly says that Christ built His church on HIMSELF, NOT on peter or any sinful man.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@goku3882 The early church as described in the NT did the following: shared all things in common, relationships, support missionaries/ministers, teaching & preaching, praying, worshiping, reading of scripture, evangelism, fostering spiritual gifts. No where does the NT dictate fancy buildings, robes, repetitive prayer, a priesthood, Mary worship, sectarianism, or any order of service, etc.. all these are MAN-MADE traditions ADDED ON.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@johnthreesixteen316
the true church ( catholic ) never failed their teaching because the holy spirit always there to guide the doctrine as Jesus promised.
goku3882 1 year ago
@goku3882 The true church of Jesus Christ is a relationship, not a membership. It isn’t any particular protestant denomination or Roman catholic. It doesn't have a roof or an address. We are the Body of Christ, past, present and future from all around the world who have accepted Christ’s work on the cross for our sins 2000 years ago, once and for all. Our names have been written in the Book of Life from the beginning. 1 cross + 3 nails = 4 given.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
St. Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Smyrneans, 6:2, 106AD
They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not
confess that the Eucharist is the Flesh of Our Savior Jesus Christ, Flesh
which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His goodness, raised
up again. THEY WHO DENY THE GIFT OF GOD ARE PERISHING
IN THEIR DISPUTES.
goku3882 1 year ago
@goku3882 John 6:63....."It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." Christ was speaking spiritually, not literally.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
The Didache (Did-Ah-Key), or teaching of the Apostles, 9:1-5
Let no one eat or drink of the Eucharist with you except those who have
been baptized in the Name of the Lord; for it was in reference to this that
the Lord said, "Do not give that which is Holy to dogs." Matthew 7:6
how about this according to the church fathers.... proven in the world history that catholic church is only church that can trace from Jesus...no doubt
goku3882 1 year ago
@goku3882 Hello. I use the Bible, the actual Word of God. I don't concern myself with the Didache or any 'church father' who contradicts scripture.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
The Didache (Did-Ah-Key), or teaching of the Apostles, 9:1-5
Let no one eat or drink of the Eucharist with you except those who have
been baptized in the Name of the Lord; for it was in reference to this that
the Lord said, "Do not give that which is Holy to dogs." Matthew 7:6
goku3882 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
Transubstantiation:
This is the term that the Church uses to describe the changing of bread
and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ.
The substance of bread is turned into the substance of His Body.
The substance of wine is turned into the substance of His Blood.
goku3882 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
The Holy Spirit changes the bread and wine
into the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ.
Thus Jesus Christ in his entirety is made visible upon the altar
under the appearance of bread and wine.
goku3882 1 year ago
@goku3882 If the bread and wine are literally Jesus, then He didn't need to die on the cross. Roman Catholics have completely missed the meaning here.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
you lost your mind....it is the will of God to fulfill what is written.......
where in the bibe that Jesus said that the bread and wine is the symbolic of His Flesh and blood did He say that? where in the bible?
goku3882 1 year ago
@goku3882 Hello friend. The Bible is quite clear. Read John 6. Christ is our spiritual bread. We don't literally eat Him. Christ speaks in parables all through the gospels. Even if Christ was speaking literally, (which He isn't) Roman Catholics aren't actually eating His literal body and drinking His literal blood anyways. They can't. His literal body and literal blood ascended into Heaven 2000 years ago.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@goku3882 My dear friend......the Bible says Christ is the Lamb, the True Vine, the Stone, the True Light, the Gate, the Rock, the Word, the Horn of Salvation, the Bread, the Capstone, the Bridegroom, the Lion etc. etc. These are all firgurative descriptions of Christ. Is Christ literally a stone or a Lion? No. And He isn't literally bread either. He is our spiritual bread which has been brought down from Heaven.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
there are several niracle in the eucharist and all miralce has happened to the catholic...... why there is none of the non catholic?that is transbutation He command to do that in memory of him not once but always...
goku3882 1 year ago
@goku3882 Must Christ be continually sacrificed in the mass, or was His blood sacrifice on the cross 100% sufficient to pay for all our sins for ever? In John19:30 Jesus said, "IT IS FINISHED", which in the Greek is "Tetelestai" meaning "to make an END, to ACCOMPLISH, to COMPLETE something, not mearly to end it, but to bring it to perfection or its intended goal."
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@goku3882 The very record of history, (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Cyprian and Hippolytus) which the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches love to quote as authority, proves that before 200 AD, the church viewed the bread and juice as symbols. Conversely, the earliest historical hint of transubstantiation was in the 4th century.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
St. Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Smyrneans, 6:2, 106AD
They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not
confess that the Eucharist is the Flesh of Our Savior Jesus Christ, Flesh
which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His goodness, raised
up again. THEY WHO DENY THE GIFT OF GOD ARE PERISHING
IN THEIR DISPUTES.
goku3882 1 year ago
@goku3882 Hello friend. It has been proven scientifically that the little round piece of bread has not changed in form after the transubstantiation 'miracle'. There is no miracle here. The real miracle happened 2000 years ago on the cross.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Amen. "But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God."
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
Jesus is Lord!
frenchyo7 2 years ago
Jesus Christ is truly present in the Holy Eucharist-body, blood, soul, and divinity! Read the Gospel of John chapter 6, especially verses 54-56. Many of the most essential things in life are unseen- air, heat, love, oxygen, and of course electricity in the modern world. We can't see these things but we know from their effect that they exist. It is the same with the real presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. We know by faith and we know by feeling and seeing the effects it has in one's life.
nweires 2 years ago 3
@nweires Just prior to the consecration of the mass, if someone added arsenic to the elements of bread and wine, would the poison within those elements be changed and made harmless after the consecration was finished, and would the priest and the people now partake of these changed substances, if not why not?
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
Yes, Jesus the SUN rose on SUNday. It is only symbolic. The Equinox is the time when the sun crossifies the equnox and overcomes darkness (evil) as more hours of daylight are celebrated
2up2u 2 years ago
The Sun rises EVERY day. actuallly, even Biblically speaking, darkness does not ALWAYS mean evil.
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
you keep changing your story to contradict what I am saying, it doesn't really work that way. The Gospels were ALL based on eye witness accounts, those witnesses were the men who knew Jesus Best: the apostles.
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
How can they be eye witness accounts when the gospels were written decades after jesus allegedly lived, total nonsense.
2up2u 2 years ago
John's gospel was written by him in the year 90 AD. It is the same with any biography ever written, for example George Washington, do you think ANYONE alive remembers him, no. In the case of Our Lord, the Oral Tradition of the apostles.
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
Jesus is the solar personification of the SUN. The SUN of God gives us wine as photosynthesis turns water with sunlight into the vine that gives us wine. The same with bread, as photosynthesis and Jesus the SUN gives us crops to make bread. That is why wine and bread is symbolic of Jesus THE SUN, THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD, THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MANKIND. WHO COMES IN CLOUDS FOR ALL EYES TO SEE. WHO'S REFLECTION WALKS ON WATER, WHO IS OUR RISEN SAVIOUR EVERY DAY. JESUS IS SIMPLY THE SUN, NOTHING ELSE.
2up2u 2 years ago
actually, "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world." Jesus is the total fulfillment of the Old testament, as the Isralites ate bread on passover and their mortal lives were spared so we eat the bread that comes down from heaven and our immortal lives are saved and nourished. cf. Jn. 6: 50-55
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
yes, the old testament is astrotheology as well. Jesus the SUN is the lamb of god in the constellation of Aries, which is at the Spring equinox, the same time as the jewish passover, that means the SUN passes over the Spring equinox. Jesus the SUN takes away our sins as sin means without, thus Jesus the SUN removes the world without light and heat. All religion is symbolism for a more universal meaning, not to be taken literally I'm afraid.
2up2u 2 years ago
you have forgotten to take into account the fact that they were on a different callander than we are today, therefore what could have been mid April then could have been the dead of winter now, this is even true of Shakespeare's time, depending on which callander you use, he could have been born May 11 (our callander) or April 23 (his callander of the day. Passover takes place AFTER the spring eqanox: it would begin the first thursday after the first monday after the 1st full moon after it.
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
They celebrated the passover or the crossification of the SUN on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the equinox, this was because Sunday was the day of the SUN and a full moon was needed for light at night. This was the case many many thousands of years ago, and was passed on by literal religion.
2up2u 2 years ago
actually first Sunday after the first Monday after the equanox. Passover was on a Thursday: hence why Jesus celebrated the last supper Thursday, died Friday and rose on Sunday: it has nothing to do with astrology or astronomy or any other such non sense. Jesus was a true person and was exactly who he claimed to be.
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
The original festival BEFORE Christianity was the first Sunday after the full moon after the equinox. The version you are citing is the one made up by Rome. Only literal Christianity made up in the 4th century by men with vested interest is total nonsense, the astrotheology makes complete sense. Jesus is a myth.
2up2u 2 years ago
the version I cited was from Exodus: Passover began before Sabbath (sundown Friday to Midnight Sunday). It was always begun on Thursday. 500 AD: by then The bible had been compiled and the councils of Rome, Nicea and Jerusalem had already taken place, and Christianity was by then the official religion of the Roman Empire. J.C. celebrated passover with his apostles on a Thursday as was the custom. To say otherwise means that they were doing an age old tradition WRONG: highly unlikely.
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
Did it say Thursday in the Bible cheesemonkey?
2up2u 2 years ago
Not explicitly, but it can VERY easily be implied. The Jewish sabbath began sundown on FRIDAY. The last supper was the previous night. The people wanted the bodies removed because it was unlawful for thier bodies to remain on crosses during that time. That is why the thieves' legs were broken: so they would die quickly. PLUS: Jesus rose on the first day of the week: Sunday, that IS specifically noted.
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
This is very beautifully done ty may the Lord bless and keep you in this ministry
catbelieves 2 years ago
thank you so much, God Love you!
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
Beautifully done, Zach.
stephenkingrocks 2 years ago
thank you. I really enjoyed making this one.
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
This is beautiful. I love this version of Tantum Ergo, when we sing during the procession on Holy Thursday, it always brings tears to my eyes.
bender1958 2 years ago
It's the version I am used to, thanks for watching.
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago