Same Sex Marriage: The Law

[don77sicily]

DEMON DEVIL to one who is for chaning the way of life!!!!!! not household is okay if its not 2parents or a rightward marriage --(yes i know many will attack my comment) bring it on!!!

[don77sicily]

DEMON DEVIL to one who is for chaning the way of life!!!!!!

[1888junkteam]

excellent work!

[Billete37]

under constituation I believe everyone should have equal rights to the fullest. That includes income distrabution in payment for women vs men. I do not agree with same sex marriage but under the constitution of this countrie it should be allowed as a step to full equal rights. But homosexuality is a sin as for forgiveness and try not to fall in lust and find true love in life not for sex but friendship.

[soapage]

I disagree with you as far as your belief that homosexuality is a sin, but I applaud your civility and opend-mindedness.

[libraStrong]

What happen to "Renewing America's Promise?" I am still waiting for equal protection under the law.  The Postal Service has a clan the is unstopable. If they decide you are not worthy to live the American dream; they have the power to turn your dream to a nightmare. The only hope former and present Postal workers have is for Obama to enforce our human rights. Check out "Postal Rap" video

HOLD USPS ACCOUNTABLE!! PLEASE!!!

How much longer will I have to be oppressed???

[el3m3ntsk8s]

Allan Chambers: "The law saved my life"

Since when does being in a gay marriage end your life?

[AAAMYx3]

woah, youtube allows hour long vids?!?

[braktuun]

25:46 - 31:35 well said and chock-full of common sense.

[summersonset]

Im from the Netherlands. We are bemused, but also concerned how a country that holds itself in the highest of regards when it comes to Freedom and Equality, can discriminate against 30 million of its own people!! It was legalized by parliament here 8 years ago, and thats how it should be. One doesnt go voting as a nation for others rights to equal rights LOL. We think its crazy. Good luck.

[capon33]

The gays should just leave the country

[Nakdimon316]

I'm from the Netherlands too. And I lament the day that gay marriage was legalized here. If to u "freedom and equality" means "no holds bared" then I can understand why u said what u said. But if it means to allow life and standards based on certain moral standards, then I cant agree with u. It is NOT discrimination to point out that something is wrong as long as its not based on discrimination. I find gay unions to be detestable and I just cant support it. I hope the US keeps up the good work.

[summersonset]

Nakdimon, you have a right to what you believe. I dont mind. Holland is a very liberal country and is pro-equal and human rights and is a reflection of our constitution. Thats the way it is. Whether you like it or not. 82% is pro-gay marriage and equality for gay people. Youre a minority, gladly.

[Nakdimon316]

I know that almost all of Holland is pro-gay marriage. Thats because the country is morally bankrupt. Everything gets OK'd and excused, right is wrong and wrong is right. thats why in our justice system the criminal gets protected by the law while the victim gets punished for being the victim. That's justice in Holland nowadays.

[summersonset]

Nakdimon, you see victims here go to prison and the criminal set free? Oh, that's new to me. lol

[summersonset]

Nakdimon, by the way, New Hampshire yesterday is the 6th US state that legalized gay marriage.

[Nakdimon316]

great, next up: Incest and poligamy! there is no reason to ban that, is there?

[summersonset]

Nakdimon, I expect the incest and poligamy argument from Americans, not from Dutch people. What kinda education did you receive in Holland?

[braktuun]

"I expect the incest and poligamy argument from Americans" - proving your ignorance

[summersonset]

braktuun, both those things you mention are predominantly engaged in by heterosexuals. Who's ignorant here? lol

[braktuun]

summersonset, did you notice the quotation marks before and after that statement. i was quoting your ignorant response to Nakdimon316. smoke much?

[summersonset]

Yes I noticed. So?

[braktuun]

so have a nice day

[summersonset]

And Im glad to say, nakdimon, is an exception in Holland when it comes to homosexuality and gay's having equal rights. Even when people are homophobic here, they still feel everyone should be treated equally. I guess that is because we take humanrights issues very seriously. The Dutch in general dont want to take anothers rights away, as opposed to so many Americans.

[summersonset]

I listen to Alan Chambers and conclude he is still gay. I dont get how people can lie to themselves to this extent.

[sep214fun]

Whether we like it or not, the United States Constitution created a secular government. The Constitution gives human rights regardless of personal choices. It states in Article VI, section 3, no test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. This means that ones beliefs cannot be held against him, that beliefs cannot disqualify a person based on personal choices.

[Fidollayoubuy]

I speak for all Christians on this matter for I am a Houston pastor. Being gay is a choice, a sin, and is killing our youth just like MARIJUANA. We all know that gay people are just demons disguised as humans. They are trying to teach our kids to be gay so they have more asses to fuck. They also want our kids to smoke marijuana so they will kill their parents and rape their teachers. Being gay is a crime against humanity because they only bang asses. To all Christians, just say no to being gay.

[sideshowchad]

I'm a christian, you don't speak for me.

[lovingpisces03]

im gay... and honestly, marijuana is unappealing to me.

you call yourself a pastor? look at your diction.

even for just a member of our society... that is not very sophisticated.

if you wish for someone to take you seriously, then act seriously.

[downshift108]

Don't you know a smart-assed kid when you see one? Come on...wise up...that's not a REAL pastor...stop being so gullible.

[downshift108]

Troll much?

[russrjn]

I love how Ihave been attacked,as this is the proven point of being the most fowl and seriously DISGUSTING thing a human can do and keep on going trying to justify and shove this pile of horse shit down America's throat, in the end you will see a back lash like you have never seen politically against the DEMOTERDFUCKS.

[downshift108]

fowl means bird..I think you mean F-O-U-L

your home-schooling is clearly failing you when it comes to basic English.

[zez123]

alan chambers looks as though he doesn't even buy the shit coming from his mouth... priceless

[poolerboy0077]

"what happened to the greek civilization?

what happened to the roman civilization?"

Ancient Greek civilzation came to an end when the Romans took over after the Battle of Corinth.

Ancient Rome came to an end as a result of multiple military actions such as Germanic chief Odoacer forced the last Roman emperor in the west to abdicate and in the east when Mehmed II conquered Constantinople.

Simply because homosexuality was present in their society doesn't mean it was the cause of their fall.

[Clemburke1111]

Alan Chambers will get caught with a man its just a matter of time.

[BALANCE94015]

3...peoples court is as unstable as the ocean. viewpoints are a penny a dozen. children, social security, and the national debt are facts, like rising mountains turning oceans into dry-beds. same sex supporters inherit the bloodbath & madness of Nero vs. the rebirth & repentance of Christ, which would you choose?

[Whytsaber]

She'll trust the people rather than the courts as long as the people support her viewpoint. ;)

[BALANCE94015]

2...civilization requires stability, permenance, and children...will homosexuality alone produce children?...the term "marriage" is reserved for hetro-couples for they have earned the right of that word for they produce children...the real fear is who will pay for social security and the national debt?...can same sex couples replace children in paying these debts.

[DelinquentFaith]

"what happened to the greek civilization?

what happened to the roman civilization?"

Dude, Are you seriously implying that these civilizations ended because of homosexuality lol....homophobia at the max! Don't worry about population growth..allowing them to marry wont make anyone switch preference, if that is what you are afraid of.

[Nettantoo]

cool neat! visit my profile! f

[darthspeaks]

OK, if same sex marriage becomes law, the 'schools' controlled by these deviants, children can be taught this wicked and vile behavior as normal. Any parents with the 'gall' to try to protect their children can actually be taken to jail! These people have the POWER to take your children's minds from you as well as possiblye physically! Fight the clamlicking buttfuckers from teaching our children this vile behavior!

VOTE YES on PROP 8 for your right to teach your children what you wish.

[BrokenHeartedGirl182]

hey i just redid my profile :)

[jennahoe42069]

assholes

[annpetasupporter]

Roger J. Magnuson is an ass hole...

[annpetasupporter]

OK, sorry, but OMG, Alan Chambers needs to seriously STFU...

[lultimanotte315]

ugh.... Being bisexual doesn't mean you feel like you have to be in a relationship with two people at once. It just means there is the possibility of falling in love with someone of either gender. When you do fall in love, you are in love with that one person, and don't need someone else just because you may be attracted to their gender as well or whatever...

[lultimanotte315]

Polygamy is a completely different thing.

[lultimanotte315]

Whoah... wierd.. I didn't know the government ever used to be concerned with whether couples had sexual intercourse or not?

And I didn't know gay and lesbian couples can't engage in sexual intercourse. lol...

[musiclover1x5]

These people scare me and they say we're weird.

[sunnygirl213]

A "marriage license" is not a marriage at all but the formation of a three party general partnership between two people and a private corporation called "The State of ____"

[forresn]

Males dont breast feed but we still have nipples dont we? <--- just made that one up,its kinda good no?

[goodguynow]

no problem man...everyone who doesnt support "fagg" marriage if ur 18 please register and vote for it to be banned..just think about it people...a dude and a dude..a girl and a girl...does that sound normal to you????

[Rohkiani311006]

i agree. If the gods didn't want us to fly, they wouldn't have given us airplanes!

[Corocco1]

goodguynow

it doesn't matter if it's normal or not. If you don't have the capacity to wrap your head around people of the same sex loving eachother then it shows how small-minded you are. I'm not gay, but the love between a man and a man or a woman and a woman are just as genuine and valuble as straight love and should be recognized.

[forresn]

yes, yes it does sound normal.

[Rohkiani311006]

5) fearing national stagnation: 'happy people do not seek to dominate the world'. This may be true... if world domination is seen in that culture as an antagonistic goal!

6) 'GAY LOVE ISN'T REAL LOVE'.. the betrayed, emo point of view.

The lady in purple, Carole Migden, is awesome. It is worth watching the entire two-hour debate just to see what she does. Her initial, long boring speech is deceptive!

[Rohkiani311006]

There is also the 'selfish logical' stance that we should try to limit financial gain to those who are like us, because we are in the majority and democracy is a tyranny, etc etc.

4) general homophobia as a result of insecurity about sexuality and/or attitudes that sex is a weapon or a means for gain or leverage. Carnivores do not like competitors or being preyed on themselves

[Rohkiani311006]

3) perception of loss for society as a result of individual gain for those who take advantage of marriage, aka the 'logical' stance: If marriage is financially beneficial, we should try to limit that gain to those who deserve it from contributing to society by their marriage... the idea that having kids correlates to wanting to improve your community, and those without kids have less reason to be socially responsible. (continued)

[Rohkiani311006]

six reasons for anti-gay-marriage attitudes:

1) perception of gain for the individual inside the 'no gay marriage' meme, more people to have sex with or who want to have sex with you.. (or, as the fourth speaker put it, to pay for your kids and your irresponsible, high-spending lifestyle)

2) perception of loss for the individual, 'if that person rejects the rules of society by having sex with men what's to stop them from having sex with my wife'

[Edgehead178]

i hope same sex marriage gets banned forever. Why? I'll make it short and simple and try not to include God in it. With our human characteristics, behaviors, and physical appearances, our bodies are not built to be gay. A male must stick with a female and a female must stick with a male. If it was ok to be gay, then everyone would have both male and female parts. we'd all be hermafidites and can reproduce with the same sex. But the reality is we only have either male OR female parts. Gay is bad!

[osvaldoe]

It's sad to say that after having watched this whole video with both points intelligently discussed that this is the level of critical discourse that the morons posting comments on here are capable of. haven't any of you learned a thing? I suppose I shouldn't expect too much from the intelligence level of the Youtube audience.

And once again the American educational system has failed us again!

[Edgehead178]

Look man, i'm just voicing my opinion. that's what's Youtube's all about. so if u don't like comments, don't read them and go be an asshole someplace else and stop insulting people. and by the way, you have not posed a strong argument on why gay marriage should be allowed and niether has this video.

And you are absolutely right, the American educational system has failed us.

[osvaldoe]

Sorry, YOU lose! MORON! YOU'RE BAD! And bigoted, homophobic, prejudiced, idiotic, oppressive, ignorant and just plaid STUPID! You're "explanation" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!

But that's OK because your ilk and their opinions are fast becoming extinct while the general population is evolving and finding out the real truth about gays and their families. It's only a matter of time before EVERYONE has the freedom to marry who they want in all 50 states of the good Ole' U.S of A.!

[Edgehead178]

My kind going extinct? I'm sorry, what planet did you say you were from?

[osvaldoe]

I also believe that the onus is on YOU to provide any kind of reason on why gay marriage should NOT be allowed! Just how does that affect YOU in any way? You know very well it DOESN'T so... WHY DON'T MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS!!!

[Edgehead178]

Sorry if I tripped a wire there tough guy. It does matter to me because it's my beliefs. And if you don't like what I have to say, then simply don't say. Stop making me come back to this stupid ass page because i'm sick of it. This is the last comment I'm posting. With that said, i hope America doesn't go too overboard (although they already have) and start having sex with goats cats, dogs, grasshoppers, etc. Me, I'm sticking with women, the way it's supposed to be.

[Rohkiani311006]

poor Edgehead has no imagination :/ most of it is mental anyway... guys just have a simpler picture of what they want so they don't have issues with motivation

[Markau102]

whoever says homosexuality is a sin because of bible, well, guess, what? FUCK THE BIBLE!!! i repeat; FUCK THE BIBLE. yeah! I said it!

[mememe963]

Why would you want to be gay??? whats better a ass hole or a lubricated vagina some toys or a real mans penis why be gay God created Adam and Eve not Eve and Eve or Adam and Adam. AND I DONT GIVE A FAG HOW MANY THUMBS DOWN I GET thats just nasty POINT BLANK.

[taylor0000000000]

Yeah for gays!

[GUALLACOL]

Goodguynow, well said.

The bible says that homosexuality is an abomination!!! So... enough said!

[DuckAttackProduction]

That is enough said. In the UNITED STATES, we have this AMAZING thing called freedom of RELIGION. We cannot base our laws on one religion. I am a Christian, but i know a few gay people. They are just like me, and I feel TERRIBLE that they cannot have the same rights as everybody else....JUST BECAUSE they were born with different feelings than everybody else.

[rparis1022]

My bible says the opposite. So, why is yours law?

[goodguynow]

wait i already said 90 percent of the world is straight..sorry...but anyway we could do this all day u stupid idiotic faggot who deserevs to die because of what u are!!!! that right i said it...theres no fking way im gonna persuade a faggot or a gay person that they should not be allowed to marry..good luck raising yur son or daughter..& having them to tell there friends that they have two daddys!!!!!! f u! u faggot that is how strongly i feel about how faggs should not be married fffaaggott!!!!

[mememe963]

Dont worry about them thumbs down because they're going to look REAL stupid on judgment day but I understand your anger and frustration.

[goodguynow]

u calld me a fag.thats funn-e cuz u r one.anyway.i pray that my son wont be a fggt like u.yes u r a human.its just not ntral u retard.god made adam and eve not adam & steve.man i cnt wait 4 one day when all of our judgment comes & god stands b4 all u fggts & says that being gay is wrong.90 prcent of the wrld is stright.wht the heck does dat tell u? thnk abut wht da fk ur doing b4 u mrry anther fking dude! i swear id like 2 beat ur ass if i we were having this converstation face 2 face faggot!!!

[goodguynow]

what the heCK is that supposed to mean? that has nothing to do with what im talking about...look..the fact is that i fREAKin hate gay people..if god told me to kill all gay people i would do it in a minute!!SCREW ANY GAY PERSON OUT THERE..U FREAKING FAGGOT!!!!

[wwwgoi]

dude i wanna ask u something if u hate every single gay person let me ask u this. u say u want to kill all the gays of the world?wad if your son in the future is 1? would u still do that?tell me that u stupid homophobic fag ? u are scared of difference thats why u are like that gays are still humans too n i am gay we still have feelings n are human we have rights too fker n who gives a shyt weather god really exists anot? n why in the world would god talk to u? your just a homophobic whore

[Rohkiani311006]

thanks for being a great source of drama, keep up the good fight!! :)

[goodguynow]

i fukin hate gay people. and hell no they should not be marriage..i mean most of the world is straight..what the hell does that tell you??

[GaysDominicanos]

Most of the world is poor. What does that tell you?

[don77sicily]

@GaysDominicanos we need a monarch over the world again so marriages can be pick by the parents only

[bbacjm9]

The right of gays to marry is provided and protected by the US Constitution which safeguards basic and fundemental rights for every person. Our rights cannot be voted away as they are sacrosant+unalienable...so the majority cannot vote on the basic rights of the minority.

To me this is same thing as saying brown eyed people can marry but blue eyed people cannot.

Govt and my neighbors have ZERO right to tell me how I can and cannot marry, have sex with, etc if it is with consentual adults.

[dux16]

@bbacjm9 You are absolutely correct on the part where you state that government has no right to tell you how to live your life and who to marry, but you are brutally wrong on a very important premise: MARRIAGE IS NOT A RIGHT. Constitution does not give you a RIGHT to marry. If constitution gave you a right to marry, we would have a situation they have in Middle Eastern countries like Afghanistan.

You have a RIGHT to PURSUE MARRIAGE. This is very different from a RIGHT TO MARRY!

[esj8341]

@dux16

I get your point but actually marriage is a right. Not only that it is a fundamental right. Further, the government absolutely does have the right in certain situations to regulate how you live your life and who you marry. For example, it is against the law to marry your sister or more than one wife, or marry a six year old.

[dux16]

@esj8341 If marriage is a right, then does that mean that I get to pick any beautiful woman and then tell her that I have a right to marry her? What if she does not want to marry me? Does her opinion matter? You have NO RIGHT to force another person to obey you. If you notice all our natural rights talked about in the constitution do not infringe upon other people's rights. A right to life, liberty, and property among others don't violate other people's rights.

[esj8341]

@dux16

To be clear the Supreme Court held that Marriage is a fundamental right. See Loving v. Virginia. Of course, however, having the freedom to marry does not give the freedom to coerce another person into marriage.

[dux16]

@esj8341 Well, that's exactly right. You see, so we will then agree that you HAVE THE RIGHT TO PURSUE marriage, but not TO ACTUALLY GUARANTEE MARRIAGE!!! In other words you may propose to your fiancée (a right to pursue marriage) but not order them to marry you (right to marriage)

P.S. The supreme court held that Dred Scott could not file a lawsuit, because he was not a human being, based on an immutable attribute of birth (black skin). We all know that those guys could be looney sometimes :)

[dux16]

@esj8341 Furthermore, you have no right to other people's services, freedom, free will, neither may you force someone to do something against their will. Marriage is a privilege just like driving, money, house, food, cell phone, health care, and so forth.

[AnthonyMarkT]

I meant to say thet the only person who represented me aside from the left panel in general, was Migdon who refused to allow concessions to people who create the political "maelstron". She endured my pain...Migdon represents!!!

[AnthonyMarkT]

Oh my brothers and my sisters. I am angry! I respect your patience adn i love you for it. But those st8hgt people piss me off.!!! Thank you for representing me thru straight people who are my friends. Oh, why r my emotions so strong??? Why am I wrong for having emotions. The only person...well you know...Migdon...my sister...the only truthful person...emotions...true!!!