@irishgodfatherchris yes, but they didn't get ALL the seats which means that the remaining 55% still got represented and were able to take part in debates on behalf of their constituencies.
@irishgodfatherchris can I also add that you are AUSTRALIAN. You're on the other side of the world and you celebrate Christmas in the sun. It's up to the British people to decide how they vote and they have chosen.
@mryoheylol question when was the last time a party got a majority of the votes and a majority of the seats, the UK is the only country that I know where 40% of the overall vote can translate into 70% of the seats, here in Australia (which by the way we want to keep Preferential voting) if a party got 40% of the vote they'd probably lose horribly.
@irishgodfatherchris I'll answer your question. Not the last election, but the one before. Which is only 2 or 3 years ago. And the Labour party got a majority of the seats. Tho only reason we have a coalition government now is because the Liberal Democrats lied in their election manifesto and so got many votes because of promises they didn't keep, student fees is the most used example. So I predict that for the next election. The conservatives will most definitely win.
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Either way the BNP & all that Blarney have been denied (resoundedly by the British People's own [abet rarely seen] overwhelming decisiveness) the only chance [of any size] they had to get anywere at all, thank god i say as the BNP give us Brit's a really Bad Name (just like the "NF" of the 1970's & Oswald Mosley's "BUF" before WWII).
@irishgodfatherchris Well i don't see how the BNP etc could ever get anywere under FPTP myself (as the Tories / Labourites / Liberal Democrats & UKIP [in order of 1st to 4th] hold an effective Monopoly in votes under that system).
What WOULD be more usefull than P.V. is a system of "Compulsary Voting"
(every member of the Public has to vote [by Law] for one of the candidates in elections, or mark a "None of the Above" option on their Ballot Paper).
@TSR1989FF look at some of your local councils, the BNP has Councillors, under Preferential voting that would not happen although I must say Compulsory voting is a good idea, but no system will prevent hung parliaments take my country for example here in Australia we have a hung parliament
@irishgodfatherchris There's a handfull, but most were expunged in the 2009 & subsiquent Elections (in fact if i remember right those where the only major Labourite success of late ; )
Apart from Luton, Greater-Bedfordshire (my home County) has (in all aspects) no Labourites in power, & to my knowlege the BNP haven't ever won seats (of any kind) here at all!.
I'm not so sure PV would do, but it's good we agree on CV.
@TSR1989FF federally we've had compulsory voting since 1922, but each state and territory (if they had a government) made it compulsory earlier, but we've used preferential voting even earlier (federally 1919 but in most states earlier) although some state and territories have or had different systems. Queensland had the supplementary vote, the ACT and Tasmania now have Hare-Clark PR, and all the states who have an upper house except Tasmania use STV-PR to elect multiple members
@irishgodfatherchris I have to admit i didn't know that, Kudos to Down Under is all i can say.
I admit CV wouldn't completely erase the problem of "Hung Parliaments" or "No Control" situations in GB, but it would certainly solve the problem of low turnouts & give as such more accurate/conclusive results.
Out of curiousity, what is the penalty for not Voting down under?
(as the CV system does require by definition a penalty [Legal / Monetary or otherwise] for those who do not participate).
@TSR1989FF I think its a $50 fine but seldom is is actually issued, but in NSW if you have a valid reason for not voting you can avoid the fine, but seeing as how we have pre-polling and the Electoral Commission even go to hospitals to get the patients to vote.
Ah i see, that's about £28-£32 (not sure of the exact exchange rate for UK-Aus Currency).
Well we already have the "Postal Vote", although i'd also be in favour of making all Polling Days (for National & Local Elections) National Holidays (although with Local Elections the day off would only be specific to the reigon for which the Election was being conducted naturally).
After all in the 1945 Election even Soldiers serving Abroard got to vote, so it's definitely possible.
@TSR1989FF well it would help turnout if voting was on a weekend like it has to be here, no matter what day the election is called, it must be held on a Saturday
@irishgodfatherchris There's an idea, after all almost all the elections i've participated in (as a Voter & beforehand as a observer) have been on a Thursday or towards the end of the Working Week (not sure why though).
It would be very good if it was soley on Weekends here in my home county, as my local Polling Station is based in the local State School Building (which given it's one of the worst schools in the entire reigon makes Voting a rather unsavoury experiance, if before 17:00pm).
@TSR1989FF its tradition more than anything, also here the votes for the upper and lower house are counted at the booths, in my electorate (Labor heartland and that fine with me as I am a member) we have certain areas that are much like Cheltenham not a pleasant place to be and indeed I was the booth captain and official scrutineer at one of the booths, and the people that went in to vote I'm surprised with their lack of education and so forth that they even knew the election was on at all.
@irishgodfatherchris I have to admit i do not know very much about Australian Politics (as is probably blatently obvious already ; ), but the various similaritys & differences are quite fascinating.
I thought for a minute you ment Cheltenham (in "Gloucestershire"), although when i looked it up i found quite a few places have that name, from North-America to even New Zealand!.
Well at least it's not just our Country that needs it's Education System Beaten back into shape (litterally up here).
@irishgodfatherchris I didn't know there was a place down under called Soho (here that name immediately brings to mind what was a notoriously naff & run down area of London, rather like "Spittalfields" [which still is]).
(after all 99% of those from Bedford know what it means to refer to somewhere as being like "Ford End Road" [somewhere / something rather questionable], wereas i doubt anyone from elsewhere or abroard would understand the meaning thereof).
@TSR1989FF localised slang, fair enough, what would you also say for the creation of about 100 more seats to make the electorates smaller and more localised, like here with the exception of Durack and O'Connor the former being 6 times the size of the UK and both electorates prior to 2010 formed part of a single electorate (Kalgoorlie) which was larger than Western Europe including the UK and Ireland
@irishgodfatherchris If you mean the subdivision of existing Counties in GB ("Bedfordshire" for example) into smaller ones, I'm fiercely Against that
(after all one reason i dislike my Country's Labour Party is that in 99 they Spun off Luton from the rest of our County (without us getting a say in it i might add!), so whenever you hear the term "Greater-Bedfordshire", it's the term we use to refer to pre-1999 Borders / or to refer to Luton as well.
@irishgodfatherchris Ah, i take it you mean "Constituency's" (Electoral District's) then.
Well while i can't say for Australia (although it does seem rather ineffcient to have a single Electorate as big as Europe) in Bedfordshire i'm not sure it would be of benefit, some of the districts around where i live (Woodside / Putnoe & Goldington for example) are so small you can walk from one into another in a matter of a few minutes walk), however it might be effective in other parts of the Country.
(well i knew that in Australia the Outback is largely uninhabited in proportion to it's size, Jeremy Clarkson once said that although you can Drive as fast as you like in most parts of the Outback (either due to no speed limits or the simple lack of Police cars for miles ; ) the thrill wears off after a few minutes, that & a lot of Australian Farmer's i beleive use Helicopters &/or Light Aircraft to get around their real estate due to the sheer Distances involved).
@TSR1989FF yeah normally Helicopter's some use ultra-lights and some still drive cattle and so forth on horseback. And the lack of police in these areas is the reason why you can get away with speeding and prior to about 2008 NT (Northern Territory) Highways had no limit but now they are limited 140kph. But I think we're going off on a bit of a tangent here on what we should be discussing which is how can the UK population properly reform politically their own country.
Many British Motorists would kill for a speed limit that high
70mph is the National Limit over here, & has been ever since a Racing Driver took a AC Cobra down the M1 in the 1970's at about 180mph!!
Except for a (clandestine) run by Jaguar of their XJ220 down it at the start of the 1990's (which is still denied), no-one knows how fast they managed to go ; )
Still, your right we have been sidetracking ~just a little bit~ off topic for a while ; )
@irishgodfatherchris Well probably (it's rather strange to think we don't actually have one), but i suspect that (like the "Fourth Plinth" in London) it's an aspect that will go undecided for some time to come.
This helps the "Dodgy Dave" idea that The Mirror loves to portray by using the song that was the opening scene of Lock, Stock.
Sadly, the brainwashed sheeple that are the electorate missed a golden oppurtunity to have a more democratic voting system with MP's that would be forced to be more accountable.
The electorate have thus forfeited the right to ever complain about their MP's being unaccountable or doing nothing because they can carry on doing the same old thing.
Frankly i can't see what all the Stramash & Nit Picking on here is about.
Especially as AV was resoundedly Defeated (thankfully as i wouldn't want the likes of the NF / BNP & other minoritys getting in without any actual majority).
This Vid is simple/ to the point / original & imaginitive (& i can't say that of a lot of Voting campaigns anymore), not to mention it's "Metaforical" not "litteral" (something that most of it's viewers don't seem to have cottoned onto yet).
@TSR1989FF AV forces the candidate to get an actual majority, the BNP can only get seats in the Commons by FPTP (vote splitting and so forth) and most forms of PR.
This ad treats the electorate like fools. We all know that the real reason you didn't want AV was because you hate democracy. You don't want people's votes to be truely represented in a proportional system. Instead you want to preserve your cushy jobs in the offices of Whitehall and the EU.
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you got to watch this, you may not think it is relevent, but,, it surley makes you think who makes the rules, and remember Cameron has links to these people.
and the question I put to you all, Why did the government give the control of the National Lottery to the Americans, when Richard branson said he would run it and give the profits back to the people of Great Britain,,,Cameron the supporter of the BIG SOCIETY we are fk'd
Ok Cameronuk, just tell us all again how much money the country has to raise over the next four years? was it 4 billion?, and who are you taking it from to pay the bill? the pensioners, disabled, people that cant work because of ill heath, and children, Now I dont profess to know that much about politcs, but why attack the people that you are supposed to represent. Before you people try to come with your one upmanship comments, we spend 18 billion per year on the global warming dept. scabs
this has absolutely *nothing to do with anything*. This race is based on ability, not popularity. Get your analogies right please, before you make bigger fools of yourself.... if that's even possible.
Cameron, you and your traitorous government are going to pay for what you are doing to us. Now they are pushing the green tax lark. This government all want us to end up like a third world shit hole. Time for a revolution and everyone of you corrupt scumbags, are going to be hung. Destroy the LibLabCon.
@FightForYourFreedom2 They take their orders from the Bildeberg criminal banksters meeting in the swiss alps. All parties are part of this criminal cartel..........................even Osbourn was getting his orders
@FightForYourFreedom2 you can't spend money you haven't got douche. gordon brown and his shitty minions give you everything they haven't got like you fucking animals. we have to pay back and fix labours mistakes. people are way to greedy like you you fat baby asshole. get a life.
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this metaphor fails. you know is does (i hope) and yet you guys still peddle it. this is not comparable to an election race. i'm sure nobody is stupid enough to think it is.
by the way 'kids pick up the bill'? our kids are protesting in the streets becuase of high hike in student fees,,, how long have you been a member of the BNP?
Why is the conservative goverment turning on the it's people?....
unemployed. pensioners. disabled and people of ill health...
These people cant suffer more!... and dont come with any 'I'm better than them'
comments.... If they take support away from them...who are they giving it to?
You?...wheres the money going?... You people that voted them in should be ASHAMED, all of you....have you not learned anything? ... you have been CONNED
@CS79N thank you for your comments, My dear, the government is short changing these people, They are afraid of upseting the banks, ( the poeple that put us in the mire to begin with), , The 'I'm alright Jack' attitude is a bane of todays society....and it's not going help,,,,Great Britain has always been a 'cash cow', dont you think , Maybe the people should come first,,,just for once...... Learned? my dear I learned the hard way, try standing back from you conviction and look again, bless
What a poor argument against AV. A general election is not a race. We need change.
In 2010, 64% of those who voted, voted against the conservatives. Despite this, they get a wopping 47% of the seats in the house of commons and now we have a convervative lead government - (which 64% of people did not want.)
More people want someone other than the conservatives. AV lets people express that, keeping out who they definately don't want. search for this video for more info: HiHuiDD_oTk
What a poor argument against AV. A general election is not a race. We need change.
In 2010, 64% of those who voted, voted against the conservatives. Despite this, they get a wopping 47% of the seats in the house of commons and now we have a convervative lead government - (which 64% of people did not want.)
More people want someone other than the conservatives. AV lets people express that, keeping out who they definately don't want.
What this country needs is a massive change of government. It just gets worse and worse and if some other party had a chance I can only see it improving for the average Britain.
People that wanted this not to go through are the ones wishing to keep a firm grasp on their power, oppulent lifestyle and upper class rank.
"where the person who finishes third can end up winning." well, we have plenty (ALL) of politicians who win their role but fail in it
looking at the kids running and the parents, was i the only one to notice all of them were white families from middle england, none from ethnic minorities what-so-ever!!!
Shows a lot about tory voters and the mad land they all believe they live in..
It's a shame these kids had no idea what they were being filmed for. When they're old enough to vote I'm sure that they'll be upset that their vote doesn't count unless they live in a marginal constituency, and that they unknowingly played a part in this.
A race is a bit of a weird analogy for gathering people's different preferences on the government (and finding an option that everyone likes, even if it wasn't the first choice for all of them)
Hmmm wtf am i doing here?What is this AV thing?All i wanted was some greek subtitles for a movie and this was a wrong thumbnail in the website with the subs..
This is indeed a retarted campaign fow what ever is it lol
That's hilarious. And utterly nonsensical. What has this got to do with AV? No-one was voting for who should win the race. And how much did it cost to make?
isnt what happened at the last elections lib dems came third nd now they are in power so av is what we have now then lol then this referendum is pointless!
This is nonsense. AV gives the majority their preference - it's more about making sure the people you DON'T want to win don't get in, rather than watching someone you can't stand becoming your MP. Nice video though - shame it's bunkum.
This is nonsense. AV gives the majority their preference - it's more about making sure the people you DON'T want to win don't get in, rather than watching someone you can't stand becoming your MP. Nice video though - shame it's bunkum.
This is ridiculous analogy if the person who would be first under FPTP came first under AV it would mean the other two parties would be unpopular with the majority but have the most supports. Under AV a distorted result would require a distorted situation.
This doesn't explain anything, there's no reason for the person in third place to win. At least explain in what situations this would be the case, this is just misleading. It funny how its possible with AV for third place to win, yet with the current system its possible for 1st place to come third -.-
I look forward to AV being soundly defeated by the ever -sensible British voters tomorrow. It is way worse than our present system,and nothing like the PR systems used in other developed countries, which at least have some merit. The only shot in the 'Yes' locker has been the promise that it would end sleaze. How? Once elected, an M.P .elected under AV could resort to sleaze just as easily as now!
pathetic, voting in elections has nothing to do with speed or fitness, it is the people's preference, the 2 are not comparable. AV is designed so that the majority of people are happy, or get some say, this advert seems to be about fairness- is it really fair that with the FPTP system, if i don't want to put one of the three main parties as my first choice, i get no say?!
The one thing i will say for this no to av campaign, unlike the others, at least it has had the guts to allow comments.
Wow. Worst analogy ever. Glad to see that the majority of people in the comments see it as such.
AV isn't about 'letting the loser win' or some other nonsense. It's about electing the candidate that most people can agree on, even if it's not their first preference.
As humorous as this is, it's misleading. An election is not a contest of talent but of popularity. If this same metaphor being used in the video were applied to a beauty pagent, for example, the reason for considering AV becomes clear. If the winner is the favourite of a minority but the least favourite of everyone else, whereas second place is everyone's second or first favourite, surely second being chosen as the winner would result in a happier set of voters? In short, this metaphor is wank
@ToaJoe You're right with AV there will be no coalitions as a party needs to pass the 50% line, and there will be no hung parliament as a party have to reach that line, the bad thing however is that people are compulsory to vote, so it doesn't become a right but a compulsion.
@NLWK110710 What? That's not true! You've got that completely wrong! Compulsory voting has nothing to do with ANY voting system. You're thinking of Australia, where there is seperate legislation that makes it compulsory to vote. With AV, you don't need to vote if you don't want to.
@ToaJoe This system as well is beneficial for the BNP, for example if you vote Conservatives but if they haven't won, and you put BNP as your second favourite they might end up winning.
For the BNP to get elected, 50% of a constituency's voters would need to agree on the BNP candidate. That doesn't seem likely for a fringe party like the BNP. I'd say AV actually hurts the chances of the BNP to get in power.
@NLWK110710 BULLSHIT. You need 50% of the vote to win under AV. Please tell me who would put BNP as their second or third preferences. That's right, nobody. You are NOT going to get Labour/Tory/Liberal voters who put BNP as their 2nd or 3rd preference. AV will have absoloutely no impact on BNP performance.
@ToaJoe You're right. Financial fraudsters go to jail. Political fraudsters, like the "No" campaign, mostly just win.
Most of Britain has simply been defrauded by the originators of No campaign's talking points. Those who formulated them KNEW they were untrue (they had to, they had to do just enough research in the first place). So it's simple, outright fraud, nothing more, nothing less.
At least 318 people have been mislead by our current Prime minister and his shameful campaign of lies... Who knows when there could be another chance to move in the right direction.
So I understand that the kids running in the race are the political parties, but why isn't the electorate represented in this analogy? The electorate are the most important people in an election and they have been completely disregarded, making this (all be it poor anyway) scenario invalid.
Look at all these sore losers who still can't get over a conservative government - the conservatives are all liars - did you fools not witness the last government under brown and blair or were you in a dark cave for that time cave men.
The dishonesty of the conservative party over this issue is a disgrace. I've posted a video response so we'll see if that gets through. So much for democracy when the party in power feels it can lie to the public and get away with it. It is a shocking tactic which I shall remember for a very very long time.
This is porbably the best way of explainng the AV system and why it would be unfair and absurd to change from our existing and perfectly fair voting system.
The cost of implementing such a AV system is unjustified and missapointed.
if you think it wont cost, u must be crazy. And it will cost at the expense of hospitals, schools and social development and welfare. Thats why I am annoyed.
@RusAuk All you're doing is repeating what the leaflet and politicans are telling you. PLEASE look up the things they 'No' campaign have written, even just put it in Google, before you vote,
I'm not being condescending, I'm actually pleading with you to research these things. Remember, these are politicians. Before today they were thieves and liars, now all of a sudden you're hanging on every word they say.
PLEASE Google their claims right now or at least before you cast your vote.
@RusAuk You "understand the debate"? You didn't even look up the claims did you?
You're actually voting no becuse someone told you something, when the fact is the opposite. This isn't subjective, it is FACT that AV won't cost as much money, BNP back FPTP, AV is a logical system of 'one person; one vote', & counters everything the leaflet/No says.
Yet you are voting 'no' because you trust propaganda over facts. Such a sheep. So sad that people give up free will so willingly, yet unwittingly
This is absolutely ridiculous, they shouldn't be allowed to advertise absolute bollocks like this. When he says 'the person in 3rd can end up winning', that's entirely true but only if you assume that the election is run in the current flawed system. The reason the Conservatives are so scared of AV is that they know that many Lib Dem voters would lean towards Labour rather than them. The country's centrist voters are split between Lib Dem and Labour and this needs to stop.
Horribly flawed analogy and a blatant appeal to emotion.
If you want to use this analogy correctly, under AV the purple kid would have won, under FPTP the race would have finished about half-way towards the finish line and yellow would have won, if you consider the finish line to be 50% support of the electorate, which you would if the No Campaign (and David Cameron) gave two hoots about accuracy, but they don't because accurately they don't have a case.
Bad argument from the Tories; "under AV, the person who finishes third can end up winning." But "winning" is defined against the ballots cast by the rules of the election, so that's either contradictory, or they're using some other definition of "winning" - like, "who would have won under first past the post?", so it just means "FPTP and AV sometimes give different results" - which, Tory muppets, is the *point*.
It's very rare that I'm driven to swearing in a public forum, but what a load of absolute {swear word} rubbish this video is. FPTP was only relevant when there were two parties and two candidates. Many organisations, unions, school boards, government bodies etc. use AV to select representatives.
Representation is not about having a race, it's about having the representative that *most people agree on*, even when their first choice is unavailable. We must vote YES 2 AV!
lmao - what a pile of rubbish! As if anyone votes in a race? If this were a true analogy, the child who won would have had his parents paying for a top sports coach, spent time shouting abuse at the other runners, made promises that once the boy had won he would share his trophy with everyone and then renege on the promise and finally told everyone that his lane was shorter because of geography and it was proportional to his height. Idiot Conservatives!
What wasn't shown was that this was a decathlon and unfortunately while the child in purple exceeded in this one event, when the final scores were totalled he just didn't perform well enough overall.
I love how the conservative are portraying themselves as the hard-working underdog here... I am also unsure that using kids in a political campaign that they obviously don't understand or have an opinion on is entirely moral. But whatever.
Alan Mabbutt clearly thinks the electorate are stupid if he thinks this stupid analogy is worth wasting anybody's time with. Or perhaps, as seems more likely, Alan Mabbutt is stupid and doesn't understand AV.
um, no. Wrong. Sorry, this is a completely false analogy, and I suspect whoever came up with this drivel is smart enough to realise this - in which case he is just barefaced lying to the public.
Either that or he is merely incompetent.
If you're going to argue against AV, is it too much to ask that you use arguments that are actually relevent?
Not such a good metaphor; under AV, the purple kid should have won (he was in the lead at the end), whereas FPTP would give the trophy to the one in yellow (because he was quickest off the mark).
Which system is better? Well, it depends what you're voting on.
And another thing you can train an athlete (or a horse) to be first past the post on a given day when all the conditions are in his favour (ie non-marginal constituencies) but what we need to run the country have to be good all year round in all conditions (and, to torture the metaphor, not just course specialists)
well...this promo WOULD make sense if the 100 metre sprint was determined by asking the spectators who ran the best race... unfortunately, it's not - the 100 metres is a race based on personal physical effort... An election, on the other hand, is about asking the country who they would like (or in the case of AV..not like) to run the country... I'm surprised that the Conservative party have become so confused... they seem to mistaken the Olympics with the Election!... D'oh!
So at the Olympics next year are they going to give the Gold medal to whoever happens to win the first Heat?
FPTP (so-called) is fine when there's only two runners. AV is a small step in the right direction because it eliminates the also-rans to leave a contest among the strongest. Ultimately that might be just two candidates but if someone has more than 50% in any given round then they win early and fair enough.
Av doesn't let the loser win, it just moves the 'post from the arbitrary and variable minority of first votes to the more concrete and representative 50%
The only other argument I've heard for the no campain is 'it'll let the bnp in' which is a bare faced lie, as the bnp themselves are asking for a no vote - they're nobody's second preference...
Hey - at least the Conservatives have allowed comments - their front campaign over at No to AV disable them completely so that no-one can point out what a load of old claptrap they are! Top work Dave!
I think it is disgusting that someone who is the Prime Minister of this country has lied through his teeth about AV - he is a man who is not to be trusted (along with his sidekick Gideon)
not this analogy, if a sports analogy has to be used then AV is like a triathlon, just because you have won the first leg, it doesn't mean you have won the triathlon
you need to win all the other rounds too to win the whole event
Hahaha this makes me laugh. The No 2 AV campaign are treating the British people like idiots. They think that if they confuse the issue, people will vote no - and they don't have any good reasons for people to vote no, so they confuse the issue.
A child's running race is not the same as an election race, and people should have the right to express a preference if they want.
Without AV, Tory MPs get in with less than 30% of the popular vote. That's why they want you to vote no.
Yes. Labour got a Majority of the seats in Parliament election before last.
mryoheylol 1 month ago
@mryoheylol I said a majority of the votes and a majority of the seats (Labour in 2005 got less that 45% of the vote)
irishgodfatherchris 1 month ago
@irishgodfatherchris yes, but they didn't get ALL the seats which means that the remaining 55% still got represented and were able to take part in debates on behalf of their constituencies.
mryoheylol 3 weeks ago
@irishgodfatherchris can I also add that you are AUSTRALIAN. You're on the other side of the world and you celebrate Christmas in the sun. It's up to the British people to decide how they vote and they have chosen.
mryoheylol 3 weeks ago
@mryoheylol purely because of ads like this which are not only misleading they are a flat out lie
irishgodfatherchris 3 weeks ago
AV is wrong. I 100% agree with Cameron.
mryoheylol 1 month ago
@mryoheylol question when was the last time a party got a majority of the votes and a majority of the seats, the UK is the only country that I know where 40% of the overall vote can translate into 70% of the seats, here in Australia (which by the way we want to keep Preferential voting) if a party got 40% of the vote they'd probably lose horribly.
irishgodfatherchris 1 month ago
@irishgodfatherchris I'll answer your question. Not the last election, but the one before. Which is only 2 or 3 years ago. And the Labour party got a majority of the seats. Tho only reason we have a coalition government now is because the Liberal Democrats lied in their election manifesto and so got many votes because of promises they didn't keep, student fees is the most used example. So I predict that for the next election. The conservatives will most definitely win.
mryoheylol 1 month ago
@mryoheylol that didn't answer my question
irishgodfatherchris 1 month ago
Lock, stock and two smoking barrels.
Shadeofnight51 5 months ago
Interesting!!!
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bhutanlhayul 5 months ago
This is the best propaganda they could come up with, this? Wow this was more cheesy and stupid rather than passionate and blood boiling
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wtf is this?
Waterfall714 8 months ago
un fair politics are already unfair nopt able to speck freely with out geting done fordiscrimnation if we whant cut way not cut imrgration not give them benfit and free housing the not paid there to sisty so they should get it and all thos that come in illgley should not even be alowed to stay and if they whant to live here they should pay way were no charty no mopre wake up briten
screammac 8 months ago
Why doesn't that Shipley Tory volunteer to work for less than the legal minimum wage?...or resign altogether? shameless ****!!
MarkB1ngham 8 months ago
Light hearted and illustrates what can happen.....
123farringdon 8 months ago
@123farringdon how can it show what can happen, a sprint is not an election.
irishgodfatherchris 7 months ago
hey dave, how about a 'referendum' asking us what we think about your generosity in overseas aid with our hard earned money..?
wolf2jon 8 months ago
The tories are still thinking this is the 1970's.
OSChrome 8 months ago
All nonsence, should be focusing on why Osborne is at Bilderberg meeting in the Swiss alps. ....taking his orders from the criminal banksters which are ruining the world economy by design. ..................................Why were you their??????
RICHLES01 8 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris I think you've got "AV" & "FPTP" backwards there.
Either way the BNP & all that Blarney have been denied (resoundedly by the British People's own [abet rarely seen] overwhelming decisiveness) the only chance [of any size] they had to get anywere at all, thank god i say as the BNP give us Brit's a really Bad Name (just like the "NF" of the 1970's & Oswald Mosley's "BUF" before WWII).
TSR1989FF 9 months ago
@TSR1989FF under Preferential voting there is no way that the BNP will get the support that it needs
irishgodfatherchris 9 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris Well i don't see how the BNP etc could ever get anywere under FPTP myself (as the Tories / Labourites / Liberal Democrats & UKIP [in order of 1st to 4th] hold an effective Monopoly in votes under that system).
What WOULD be more usefull than P.V. is a system of "Compulsary Voting"
(every member of the Public has to vote [by Law] for one of the candidates in elections, or mark a "None of the Above" option on their Ballot Paper).
Everyone Voting = no more hung Parlements'.
TSR1989FF 9 months ago
@TSR1989FF look at some of your local councils, the BNP has Councillors, under Preferential voting that would not happen although I must say Compulsory voting is a good idea, but no system will prevent hung parliaments take my country for example here in Australia we have a hung parliament
irishgodfatherchris 9 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris There's a handfull, but most were expunged in the 2009 & subsiquent Elections (in fact if i remember right those where the only major Labourite success of late ; )
Apart from Luton, Greater-Bedfordshire (my home County) has (in all aspects) no Labourites in power, & to my knowlege the BNP haven't ever won seats (of any kind) here at all!.
I'm not so sure PV would do, but it's good we agree on CV.
Your from down under? interesting.
Do you mean you have CV down there??
TSR1989FF 9 months ago
@TSR1989FF federally we've had compulsory voting since 1922, but each state and territory (if they had a government) made it compulsory earlier, but we've used preferential voting even earlier (federally 1919 but in most states earlier) although some state and territories have or had different systems. Queensland had the supplementary vote, the ACT and Tasmania now have Hare-Clark PR, and all the states who have an upper house except Tasmania use STV-PR to elect multiple members
irishgodfatherchris 9 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris I have to admit i didn't know that, Kudos to Down Under is all i can say.
I admit CV wouldn't completely erase the problem of "Hung Parliaments" or "No Control" situations in GB, but it would certainly solve the problem of low turnouts & give as such more accurate/conclusive results.
Out of curiousity, what is the penalty for not Voting down under?
(as the CV system does require by definition a penalty [Legal / Monetary or otherwise] for those who do not participate).
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@TSR1989FF I think its a $50 fine but seldom is is actually issued, but in NSW if you have a valid reason for not voting you can avoid the fine, but seeing as how we have pre-polling and the Electoral Commission even go to hospitals to get the patients to vote.
irishgodfatherchris 8 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris
Ah i see, that's about £28-£32 (not sure of the exact exchange rate for UK-Aus Currency).
Well we already have the "Postal Vote", although i'd also be in favour of making all Polling Days (for National & Local Elections) National Holidays (although with Local Elections the day off would only be specific to the reigon for which the Election was being conducted naturally).
After all in the 1945 Election even Soldiers serving Abroard got to vote, so it's definitely possible.
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@TSR1989FF well it would help turnout if voting was on a weekend like it has to be here, no matter what day the election is called, it must be held on a Saturday
irishgodfatherchris 8 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris There's an idea, after all almost all the elections i've participated in (as a Voter & beforehand as a observer) have been on a Thursday or towards the end of the Working Week (not sure why though).
It would be very good if it was soley on Weekends here in my home county, as my local Polling Station is based in the local State School Building (which given it's one of the worst schools in the entire reigon makes Voting a rather unsavoury experiance, if before 17:00pm).
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@TSR1989FF its tradition more than anything, also here the votes for the upper and lower house are counted at the booths, in my electorate (Labor heartland and that fine with me as I am a member) we have certain areas that are much like Cheltenham not a pleasant place to be and indeed I was the booth captain and official scrutineer at one of the booths, and the people that went in to vote I'm surprised with their lack of education and so forth that they even knew the election was on at all.
irishgodfatherchris 8 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris I have to admit i do not know very much about Australian Politics (as is probably blatently obvious already ; ), but the various similaritys & differences are quite fascinating.
I thought for a minute you ment Cheltenham (in "Gloucestershire"), although when i looked it up i found quite a few places have that name, from North-America to even New Zealand!.
Well at least it's not just our Country that needs it's Education System Beaten back into shape (litterally up here).
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@TSR1989FF I actually meant to say Soho, I don't know why I said Cheltenham.
irishgodfatherchris 8 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris I didn't know there was a place down under called Soho (here that name immediately brings to mind what was a notoriously naff & run down area of London, rather like "Spittalfields" [which still is]).
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@TSR1989FF I'm referring to Soho UK as an example of a rough area which is similar to areas in my Federal and State Electorate
irishgodfatherchris 8 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris Ah i see, makes sense
(after all 99% of those from Bedford know what it means to refer to somewhere as being like "Ford End Road" [somewhere / something rather questionable], wereas i doubt anyone from elsewhere or abroard would understand the meaning thereof).
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@TSR1989FF localised slang, fair enough, what would you also say for the creation of about 100 more seats to make the electorates smaller and more localised, like here with the exception of Durack and O'Connor the former being 6 times the size of the UK and both electorates prior to 2010 formed part of a single electorate (Kalgoorlie) which was larger than Western Europe including the UK and Ireland
irishgodfatherchris 8 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris If you mean the subdivision of existing Counties in GB ("Bedfordshire" for example) into smaller ones, I'm fiercely Against that
(after all one reason i dislike my Country's Labour Party is that in 99 they Spun off Luton from the rest of our County (without us getting a say in it i might add!), so whenever you hear the term "Greater-Bedfordshire", it's the term we use to refer to pre-1999 Borders / or to refer to Luton as well.
But yes Australia is MASSIVE compared to GB.
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@TSR1989FF no the I mean the sub-division of existing electorates in order to make them more localised.
irishgodfatherchris 8 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris Ah, i take it you mean "Constituency's" (Electoral District's) then.
Well while i can't say for Australia (although it does seem rather ineffcient to have a single Electorate as big as Europe) in Bedfordshire i'm not sure it would be of benefit, some of the districts around where i live (Woodside / Putnoe & Goldington for example) are so small you can walk from one into another in a matter of a few minutes walk), however it might be effective in other parts of the Country.
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@TSR1989FF Kalgoorile was as big as it was because it was so sparsely populated
irishgodfatherchris 8 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris I know
(well i knew that in Australia the Outback is largely uninhabited in proportion to it's size, Jeremy Clarkson once said that although you can Drive as fast as you like in most parts of the Outback (either due to no speed limits or the simple lack of Police cars for miles ; ) the thrill wears off after a few minutes, that & a lot of Australian Farmer's i beleive use Helicopters &/or Light Aircraft to get around their real estate due to the sheer Distances involved).
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@TSR1989FF yeah normally Helicopter's some use ultra-lights and some still drive cattle and so forth on horseback. And the lack of police in these areas is the reason why you can get away with speeding and prior to about 2008 NT (Northern Territory) Highways had no limit but now they are limited 140kph. But I think we're going off on a bit of a tangent here on what we should be discussing which is how can the UK population properly reform politically their own country.
irishgodfatherchris 8 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris
Many British Motorists would kill for a speed limit that high
70mph is the National Limit over here, & has been ever since a Racing Driver took a AC Cobra down the M1 in the 1970's at about 180mph!!
Except for a (clandestine) run by Jaguar of their XJ220 down it at the start of the 1990's (which is still denied), no-one knows how fast they managed to go ; )
Still, your right we have been sidetracking ~just a little bit~ off topic for a while ; )
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@TSR1989FF well continue then its your country so you have the call
irishgodfatherchris 8 months ago
@TSR1989FF I'm also of the opinion that the UK needs a written Constitution rather that a verbal one that exists only be gentlemanly agreements
irishgodfatherchris 8 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris Well probably (it's rather strange to think we don't actually have one), but i suspect that (like the "Fourth Plinth" in London) it's an aspect that will go undecided for some time to come.
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@skeletorphd Advice on ""Democracy"" from Skeletor?
What Next?? perental advice from Darth Vader???
(laugh).
TSR1989FF 9 months ago
This helps the "Dodgy Dave" idea that The Mirror loves to portray by using the song that was the opening scene of Lock, Stock.
Sadly, the brainwashed sheeple that are the electorate missed a golden oppurtunity to have a more democratic voting system with MP's that would be forced to be more accountable.
The electorate have thus forfeited the right to ever complain about their MP's being unaccountable or doing nothing because they can carry on doing the same old thing.
Sad shame.
skeletorphd 9 months ago
Frankly i can't see what all the Stramash & Nit Picking on here is about.
Especially as AV was resoundedly Defeated (thankfully as i wouldn't want the likes of the NF / BNP & other minoritys getting in without any actual majority).
This Vid is simple/ to the point / original & imaginitive (& i can't say that of a lot of Voting campaigns anymore), not to mention it's "Metaforical" not "litteral" (something that most of it's viewers don't seem to have cottoned onto yet).
TSR1989FF 9 months ago
@TSR1989FF AV forces the candidate to get an actual majority, the BNP can only get seats in the Commons by FPTP (vote splitting and so forth) and most forms of PR.
irishgodfatherchris 9 months ago
This ad treats the electorate like fools. We all know that the real reason you didn't want AV was because you hate democracy. You don't want people's votes to be truely represented in a proportional system. Instead you want to preserve your cushy jobs in the offices of Whitehall and the EU.
nottinghamization 9 months ago
David Icke ☼ They Dare Not Speak Its Name ... ROTHSCHILD ZIONISM
you got to watch this, you may not think it is relevent, but,, it surley makes you think who makes the rules, and remember Cameron has links to these people.
and the question I put to you all, Why did the government give the control of the National Lottery to the Americans, when Richard branson said he would run it and give the profits back to the people of Great Britain,,,Cameron the supporter of the BIG SOCIETY we are fk'd
gotmihandstuck 9 months ago
HEIL CMAERON! LOL JK, IM NOT A FAGGOT! (WHO IS CAMERON?)
twankism 9 months ago
Proof, if needed, the Tories are fairly paedophillic.
northwestrallying 9 months ago
Completely inaccurate and disingenuous comparison.
spackhollogay 9 months ago
Ok Cameronuk, just tell us all again how much money the country has to raise over the next four years? was it 4 billion?, and who are you taking it from to pay the bill? the pensioners, disabled, people that cant work because of ill heath, and children, Now I dont profess to know that much about politcs, but why attack the people that you are supposed to represent. Before you people try to come with your one upmanship comments, we spend 18 billion per year on the global warming dept. scabs
gotmihandstuck 9 months ago
this has absolutely *nothing to do with anything*. This race is based on ability, not popularity. Get your analogies right please, before you make bigger fools of yourself.... if that's even possible.
hamburgerlollipop 9 months ago
I said NO to unfair votes.
By voting YES to AV! :-)
SnappyPenguins 9 months ago
Cameron is owned by the Sun Newspaper
cheeckybutnice 9 months ago
Cameron, you and your traitorous government are going to pay for what you are doing to us. Now they are pushing the green tax lark. This government all want us to end up like a third world shit hole. Time for a revolution and everyone of you corrupt scumbags, are going to be hung. Destroy the LibLabCon.
FightForYourFreedom2 9 months ago 12
@FightForYourFreedom2 They take their orders from the Bildeberg criminal banksters meeting in the swiss alps. All parties are part of this criminal cartel..........................even Osbourn was getting his orders
RICHLES01 8 months ago
@FightForYourFreedom2 you can't spend money you haven't got douche. gordon brown and his shitty minions give you everything they haven't got like you fucking animals. we have to pay back and fix labours mistakes. people are way to greedy like you you fat baby asshole. get a life.
FUCK YOU AND PAY THE PRICE OF YOUR MISTAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
alexgets98 7 months ago
this metaphor fails. you know is does (i hope) and yet you guys still peddle it. this is not comparable to an election race. i'm sure nobody is stupid enough to think it is.
Tomid 9 months ago
by the way 'kids pick up the bill'? our kids are protesting in the streets becuase of high hike in student fees,,, how long have you been a member of the BNP?
gotmihandstuck 9 months ago
Why is the conservative goverment turning on the it's people?....
unemployed. pensioners. disabled and people of ill health...
These people cant suffer more!... and dont come with any 'I'm better than them'
comments.... If they take support away from them...who are they giving it to?
You?...wheres the money going?... You people that voted them in should be ASHAMED, all of you....have you not learned anything? ... you have been CONNED
gotmihandstuck 9 months ago
@gotmihandstuck What do you expect them to do? Hand out more money they don't have and leave your kids to pick up the bill?
I'd argue that it's you, sir, who have not learned anything. I'd gladly vote Conservative tomorrow with as much conviction as I did at the election.
CS79N 9 months ago
@CS79N thank you for your comments, My dear, the government is short changing these people, They are afraid of upseting the banks, ( the poeple that put us in the mire to begin with), , The 'I'm alright Jack' attitude is a bane of todays society....and it's not going help,,,,Great Britain has always been a 'cash cow', dont you think , Maybe the people should come first,,,just for once...... Learned? my dear I learned the hard way, try standing back from you conviction and look again, bless
gotmihandstuck 9 months ago
"M.E. is to fatigue, what a nuclear bomb is to a match." Laura Hillenbrand
Happy M.E. Awareness week from the people you are robbing, discrediting and persecuting.
BritishSnail 9 months ago
Would you go to Africa and tell the Africans, their continued existence is irrelevant?
Would you go to China and tell the Chinese, their continued existence is irrelevant?
Would you go to Japan and tell the Japanese, their continued existence is irrelevant?
Oh course not. That would be "racist"!
But the anti-whites say that the continued existence of my race,the white race,is irrelevant!
PROOF that:
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white
dungeoncrawler55 9 months ago
What a poor argument against AV. A general election is not a race. We need change.
In 2010, 64% of those who voted, voted against the conservatives. Despite this, they get a wopping 47% of the seats in the house of commons and now we have a convervative lead government - (which 64% of people did not want.)
More people want someone other than the conservatives. AV lets people express that, keeping out who they definately don't want. search for this video for more info: HiHuiDD_oTk
frognsausage 10 months ago 2
What a poor argument against AV. A general election is not a race. We need change.
In 2010, 64% of those who voted, voted against the conservatives. Despite this, they get a wopping 47% of the seats in the house of commons and now we have a convervative lead government - (which 64% of people did not want.)
More people want someone other than the conservatives. AV lets people express that, keeping out who they definately don't want.
frognsausage 10 months ago
I think it was a mistake the vote said "NO"
What this country needs is a massive change of government. It just gets worse and worse and if some other party had a chance I can only see it improving for the average Britain.
People that wanted this not to go through are the ones wishing to keep a firm grasp on their power, oppulent lifestyle and upper class rank.
"where the person who finishes third can end up winning." well, we have plenty (ALL) of politicians who win their role but fail in it
sweetypie000 10 months ago
call me old fashioned but as I recall Cameron himself didn't even fully win with a majority vote yet still takes the job
sweetypie000 10 months ago
looking at the kids running and the parents, was i the only one to notice all of them were white families from middle england, none from ethnic minorities what-so-ever!!!
Shows a lot about tory voters and the mad land they all believe they live in..
TheRacketBoss 10 months ago
@TheRacketBoss "were white families from middle england," makes a change from the usual african and indian adverts
sweetypie000 10 months ago
It's a shame these kids had no idea what they were being filmed for. When they're old enough to vote I'm sure that they'll be upset that their vote doesn't count unless they live in a marginal constituency, and that they unknowingly played a part in this.
alexdude1991 10 months ago
I love the Rocky reference, thats great.
dmhiggs 10 months ago
Haha, yeah, suck it... purple?
LonelyVirgin 10 months ago
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HEY CAMERON YOU FAT UGLY CUNT , I HOPE YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY GET MURDERED YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT. YOU DESERVE A FUCKING SHITTY DEATH.
MonsterMunchAreAce 10 months ago
1:54 - 2:05 depicts the only goal of the Conservatives. :-)
SnappyPenguins 10 months ago
A race is a bit of a weird analogy for gathering people's different preferences on the government (and finding an option that everyone likes, even if it wasn't the first choice for all of them)
flegolas 10 months ago
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ciftehankasabasi 10 months ago
Hmmm wtf am i doing here?What is this AV thing?All i wanted was some greek subtitles for a movie and this was a wrong thumbnail in the website with the subs..
This is indeed a retarted campaign fow what ever is it lol
ROTARYBIZNESS 10 months ago
Funny how no's leading with 68% of the vote. Aww, poor regressives supporting AV.
ToManyPhones 10 months ago
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Are elections a race or a popularity contest?
surely the latter?
patrickjohncarroll 10 months ago
Are elections a race or a popularity contest?
surely the latter?
patrickjohncarroll 10 months ago
That's hilarious. And utterly nonsensical. What has this got to do with AV? No-one was voting for who should win the race. And how much did it cost to make?
WITM7 10 months ago 14
@WITM7 Fiver.
Vwoop 10 months ago
They used kids and preppy music so they're the good guys!
littleradge 10 months ago
isnt what happened at the last elections lib dems came third nd now they are in power so av is what we have now then lol then this referendum is pointless!
mijic207 10 months ago
This is nonsense. AV gives the majority their preference - it's more about making sure the people you DON'T want to win don't get in, rather than watching someone you can't stand becoming your MP. Nice video though - shame it's bunkum.
dcthurgood 10 months ago 2
This is nonsense. AV gives the majority their preference - it's more about making sure the people you DON'T want to win don't get in, rather than watching someone you can't stand becoming your MP. Nice video though - shame it's bunkum.
dcthurgood 10 months ago 2
This is ridiculous analogy if the person who would be first under FPTP came first under AV it would mean the other two parties would be unpopular with the majority but have the most supports. Under AV a distorted result would require a distorted situation.
amissot 10 months ago
This doesn't explain anything, there's no reason for the person in third place to win. At least explain in what situations this would be the case, this is just misleading. It funny how its possible with AV for third place to win, yet with the current system its possible for 1st place to come third -.-
RachyI3oo 10 months ago 2
I look forward to AV being soundly defeated by the ever -sensible British voters tomorrow. It is way worse than our present system,and nothing like the PR systems used in other developed countries, which at least have some merit. The only shot in the 'Yes' locker has been the promise that it would end sleaze. How? Once elected, an M.P .elected under AV could resort to sleaze just as easily as now!
xhoneyhannah 10 months ago
pathetic, voting in elections has nothing to do with speed or fitness, it is the people's preference, the 2 are not comparable. AV is designed so that the majority of people are happy, or get some say, this advert seems to be about fairness- is it really fair that with the FPTP system, if i don't want to put one of the three main parties as my first choice, i get no say?!
The one thing i will say for this no to av campaign, unlike the others, at least it has had the guts to allow comments.
anon1234ify 10 months ago 2
I'm going to be voting 'No' but this is still a piss poor effort of convincing people to do likewise.
justspiffing 10 months ago
The person that comes 3rd doesn't win! It'll still be the person who comes first, just the way they calculate who is first is different (and better).
mint301 10 months ago
Wow. Worst analogy ever. Glad to see that the majority of people in the comments see it as such.
AV isn't about 'letting the loser win' or some other nonsense. It's about electing the candidate that most people can agree on, even if it's not their first preference.
wight1984 10 months ago 2
AV will put a stick in the spokes of the Tory wheel. Problem, Cameron?
humanxrocket 10 months ago
As humorous as this is, it's misleading. An election is not a contest of talent but of popularity. If this same metaphor being used in the video were applied to a beauty pagent, for example, the reason for considering AV becomes clear. If the winner is the favourite of a minority but the least favourite of everyone else, whereas second place is everyone's second or first favourite, surely second being chosen as the winner would result in a happier set of voters? In short, this metaphor is wank
Xy1O1 10 months ago 2
I like AV because you don't need to vote tactically, so you can actually choose a smaller party.
NLWK110710 10 months ago
err "finishes" third is misleading, there is no "finish" until all the votes are transferred.
Nate1481 10 months ago
AV WILL NOT COST 250 MILLION.
AV WILL NOT LEAD TO COALITIONS AND HUNG PARLIAMENTS.
NO TO AV IS FUNDED BY FAR RIGHT CONSERVATIVES WHO KNOW THEY WILL LOSE OUT.
VOTE NO TO KICK CAMERON AND THE COALITION.
ToaJoe 10 months ago
@ToaJoe You're right with AV there will be no coalitions as a party needs to pass the 50% line, and there will be no hung parliament as a party have to reach that line, the bad thing however is that people are compulsory to vote, so it doesn't become a right but a compulsion.
NLWK110710 10 months ago
@NLWK110710 What? That's not true! You've got that completely wrong! Compulsory voting has nothing to do with ANY voting system. You're thinking of Australia, where there is seperate legislation that makes it compulsory to vote. With AV, you don't need to vote if you don't want to.
ToaJoe 10 months ago
@ToaJoe This system as well is beneficial for the BNP, for example if you vote Conservatives but if they haven't won, and you put BNP as your second favourite they might end up winning.
NLWK110710 10 months ago
@NLWK110710
For the BNP to get elected, 50% of a constituency's voters would need to agree on the BNP candidate. That doesn't seem likely for a fringe party like the BNP. I'd say AV actually hurts the chances of the BNP to get in power.
wight1984 10 months ago
@NLWK110710 BULLSHIT. You need 50% of the vote to win under AV. Please tell me who would put BNP as their second or third preferences. That's right, nobody. You are NOT going to get Labour/Tory/Liberal voters who put BNP as their 2nd or 3rd preference. AV will have absoloutely no impact on BNP performance.
ToaJoe 10 months ago
@ToaJoe You'd be surprised on how many people would vote BNP or UKIP.
NLWK110710 10 months ago
@NLWK110710 Please don't put us in the same category as BNP. You clearly haven't bothered to take the time to learn the distinction.
TakunaNuva 10 months ago
@TakunaNuva You'd be surprise how many people in Britain like UKIP or the BNP.
NLWK110710 10 months ago
@NLWK110710 I'd like to congratulate every single FUCKTARD like you who voted no.
Thanks to you CUNTS, we are now condemened to another 50-100 years of life ruled by dictators like Rupert Murdoch and Ashcroft. Fuck you all!
ToaJoe 10 months ago
@ToaJoe I know how you feel
velocityeleven 10 months ago
@ToaJoe You're talking to the wrong guy because I voted YES
NLWK110710 10 months ago
@ToaJoe You're right. Financial fraudsters go to jail. Political fraudsters, like the "No" campaign, mostly just win.
Most of Britain has simply been defrauded by the originators of No campaign's talking points. Those who formulated them KNEW they were untrue (they had to, they had to do just enough research in the first place). So it's simple, outright fraud, nothing more, nothing less.
TheNavigateur 10 months ago 2
@ToaJoe Rupert Murdoch is an Australian you fucktard, he's a product of the AV system.
cookdave 10 months ago
At least 318 people have been mislead by our current Prime minister and his shameful campaign of lies... Who knows when there could be another chance to move in the right direction.
MrUltra999 10 months ago 2
So I understand that the kids running in the race are the political parties, but why isn't the electorate represented in this analogy? The electorate are the most important people in an election and they have been completely disregarded, making this (all be it poor anyway) scenario invalid.
duncanreynolds 10 months ago 7
Look at all these sore losers who still can't get over a conservative government - the conservatives are all liars - did you fools not witness the last government under brown and blair or were you in a dark cave for that time cave men.
jonty50 10 months ago
The dishonesty of the conservative party over this issue is a disgrace. I've posted a video response so we'll see if that gets through. So much for democracy when the party in power feels it can lie to the public and get away with it. It is a shocking tactic which I shall remember for a very very long time.
toppledgod 10 months ago 2
NOtoAV are doing a sterling job convincing people to vote yes.
Alas, there are actually people who spout lines from the leaflet actually believing they exist and are true.
If the 'yes' campaign just did a rebuttal leaflet that broke down every single claim with facts, 'yes' would surely win by a landslide.
Both systems are flawd though: They both still elect politicians.
Oscy 10 months ago
This is porbably the best way of explainng the AV system and why it would be unfair and absurd to change from our existing and perfectly fair voting system.
The cost of implementing such a AV system is unjustified and missapointed.
VOTE NO to AV.
I'm Employed
I'm 28,
I'm from Manchester.
RusAuk 10 months ago
@RusAuk What cost?
Oscy 10 months ago
@Oscy
if you think it wont cost, u must be crazy. And it will cost at the expense of hospitals, schools and social development and welfare. Thats why I am annoyed.
RusAuk 10 months ago
@RusAuk All you're doing is repeating what the leaflet and politicans are telling you. PLEASE look up the things they 'No' campaign have written, even just put it in Google, before you vote,
I'm not being condescending, I'm actually pleading with you to research these things. Remember, these are politicians. Before today they were thieves and liars, now all of a sudden you're hanging on every word they say.
PLEASE Google their claims right now or at least before you cast your vote.
Oscy 10 months ago
Oscy, Vote However you Wish, I'll be voting NO THANKS.
I understand the debate.
1 Vote 1 Party 1 Winner.
RusAuk 10 months ago
@RusAuk You "understand the debate"? You didn't even look up the claims did you?
You're actually voting no becuse someone told you something, when the fact is the opposite. This isn't subjective, it is FACT that AV won't cost as much money, BNP back FPTP, AV is a logical system of 'one person; one vote', & counters everything the leaflet/No says.
Yet you are voting 'no' because you trust propaganda over facts. Such a sheep. So sad that people give up free will so willingly, yet unwittingly
Oscy 10 months ago 2
@RusAuk "1 Vote 1 Party 1 Winner" Lol, that's very rich considering the current coalition government.
TakunaNuva 10 months ago
@TakunaNuv
@Oscy
FPTP is best option for electing in a democratic and fair way, you can have your own opinion.
That how it works.
U are realy trying to convince people it's a good idea when its not in my opinion.
RusAuk 10 months ago
Now if he knew the system works like that, - why didn't he come in third!!!
aidders 10 months ago
NO THEY CAN'T!!!
joethfc 10 months ago
This is incredibly dishonest and proves that they don't have any real arguments against AV other than false analogies and appeals to emotion.
Toml420 10 months ago
This is absolutely ridiculous, they shouldn't be allowed to advertise absolute bollocks like this. When he says 'the person in 3rd can end up winning', that's entirely true but only if you assume that the election is run in the current flawed system. The reason the Conservatives are so scared of AV is that they know that many Lib Dem voters would lean towards Labour rather than them. The country's centrist voters are split between Lib Dem and Labour and this needs to stop.
RinRanRyan 10 months ago
Horribly flawed analogy and a blatant appeal to emotion.
If you want to use this analogy correctly, under AV the purple kid would have won, under FPTP the race would have finished about half-way towards the finish line and yellow would have won, if you consider the finish line to be 50% support of the electorate, which you would if the No Campaign (and David Cameron) gave two hoots about accuracy, but they don't because accurately they don't have a case.
ThetaOmega 10 months ago
Bad argument from the Tories; "under AV, the person who finishes third can end up winning." But "winning" is defined against the ballots cast by the rules of the election, so that's either contradictory, or they're using some other definition of "winning" - like, "who would have won under first past the post?", so it just means "FPTP and AV sometimes give different results" - which, Tory muppets, is the *point*.
talkymeat 10 months ago
It's very rare that I'm driven to swearing in a public forum, but what a load of absolute {swear word} rubbish this video is. FPTP was only relevant when there were two parties and two candidates. Many organisations, unions, school boards, government bodies etc. use AV to select representatives.
Representation is not about having a race, it's about having the representative that *most people agree on*, even when their first choice is unavailable. We must vote YES 2 AV!
nickinsydney 10 months ago
lmao - what a pile of rubbish! As if anyone votes in a race? If this were a true analogy, the child who won would have had his parents paying for a top sports coach, spent time shouting abuse at the other runners, made promises that once the boy had won he would share his trophy with everyone and then renege on the promise and finally told everyone that his lane was shorter because of geography and it was proportional to his height. Idiot Conservatives!
delphinius2 10 months ago 3
Another disgusting slur at AV. Why is the level of debate around this so primordial?
nzbozza 10 months ago
What wasn't shown was that this was a decathlon and unfortunately while the child in purple exceeded in this one event, when the final scores were totalled he just didn't perform well enough overall.
RockRedShooter 10 months ago
I love how the conservative are portraying themselves as the hard-working underdog here... I am also unsure that using kids in a political campaign that they obviously don't understand or have an opinion on is entirely moral. But whatever.
elh666 10 months ago
Alan Mabbutt clearly thinks the electorate are stupid if he thinks this stupid analogy is worth wasting anybody's time with. Or perhaps, as seems more likely, Alan Mabbutt is stupid and doesn't understand AV.
Sadly, I think he will get his way.
HiltonBenchley 10 months ago
FPtP a great way to decide the winner of a race, unfortunately an election isn't a race.
ajuk1 10 months ago
um, no. Wrong. Sorry, this is a completely false analogy, and I suspect whoever came up with this drivel is smart enough to realise this - in which case he is just barefaced lying to the public.
Either that or he is merely incompetent.
If you're going to argue against AV, is it too much to ask that you use arguments that are actually relevent?
Calliclesiastes 10 months ago 2
Not such a good metaphor; under AV, the purple kid should have won (he was in the lead at the end), whereas FPTP would give the trophy to the one in yellow (because he was quickest off the mark).
Which system is better? Well, it depends what you're voting on.
slainangel 10 months ago
Marathons are one of the unfairest races around; you could cross the start line in 100th place, and still win the race.
slainangel 10 months ago
NO 2 AV propaganda has made my mind up... YES2AV!
phadzzy 10 months ago 4
Flagged as Abusive :P To those of low intelligence.
hobbesandgiles 10 months ago 2
Thumbs up if you have 'flagged this video as inappropriate' for misleading text.
Let's get this video removed before it convinces enough total idiots to vote no to AV.
996o0o966 10 months ago
And another thing you can train an athlete (or a horse) to be first past the post on a given day when all the conditions are in his favour (ie non-marginal constituencies) but what we need to run the country have to be good all year round in all conditions (and, to torture the metaphor, not just course specialists)
MoonrakerXI 10 months ago
well...this promo WOULD make sense if the 100 metre sprint was determined by asking the spectators who ran the best race... unfortunately, it's not - the 100 metres is a race based on personal physical effort... An election, on the other hand, is about asking the country who they would like (or in the case of AV..not like) to run the country... I'm surprised that the Conservative party have become so confused... they seem to mistaken the Olympics with the Election!... D'oh!
abmcwilliams 10 months ago
Everton beat Chelsea in an early round of this year's FA Cup but were not strong enough to win it. Either Man City or Stoke will deserve that honour.
MoonrakerXI 10 months ago
So at the Olympics next year are they going to give the Gold medal to whoever happens to win the first Heat?
FPTP (so-called) is fine when there's only two runners. AV is a small step in the right direction because it eliminates the also-rans to leave a contest among the strongest. Ultimately that might be just two candidates but if someone has more than 50% in any given round then they win early and fair enough.
MoonrakerXI 10 months ago
70% of the spectators were not cheering on smarmy purple kid!
teachingmum 10 months ago
This is retarded. You guys are retarded,
Av doesn't let the loser win, it just moves the 'post from the arbitrary and variable minority of first votes to the more concrete and representative 50%
The only other argument I've heard for the no campain is 'it'll let the bnp in' which is a bare faced lie, as the bnp themselves are asking for a no vote - they're nobody's second preference...
TheBlroargh 10 months ago 2
Great argument.
dan4boi 10 months ago
Hey - at least the Conservatives have allowed comments - their front campaign over at No to AV disable them completely so that no-one can point out what a load of old claptrap they are! Top work Dave!
I think it is disgusting that someone who is the Prime Minister of this country has lied through his teeth about AV - he is a man who is not to be trusted (along with his sidekick Gideon)
SouthseaG1 10 months ago 2
not this analogy, if a sports analogy has to be used then AV is like a triathlon, just because you have won the first leg, it doesn't mean you have won the triathlon
you need to win all the other rounds too to win the whole event
jgilb100 10 months ago 2
This is the most retarded No to AV campaign I've seen.
Jurgen133 10 months ago 50
Hahaha this makes me laugh. The No 2 AV campaign are treating the British people like idiots. They think that if they confuse the issue, people will vote no - and they don't have any good reasons for people to vote no, so they confuse the issue.
A child's running race is not the same as an election race, and people should have the right to express a preference if they want.
Without AV, Tory MPs get in with less than 30% of the popular vote. That's why they want you to vote no.
robbelluk 10 months ago 2
using children as propaganda for adults running the country... nice.
07Patty 10 months ago 24