I'm just learning about fencing from watching these videos and following up with some othe web research. Let me share a few things: Epee is derived from *legal* dueling during the 19th century which required that the duel stop after "first blood". That's why epee fencers don't seem to worry about being counterattacked, apparently. The person who gets the first touch, anywhere on the body gets the point. So it may not be realistic as a *fight* because it's realistic as a *legal duel*.
Fencing is a sport derived from classical sword fighting. However, in sport fencing, specifically epee, is simply to hit your opponent before they hit you. In a real sword fight, yes you would be dead, but in this game, that doesn't matter and as a result to win the "touch" you preform moves that nobody in a real sword fight would ever dream of doing.
If it's the insulated metal piste you're looking in the video for I think that the fencers are relying on one another's honesty, which if you think about it is more in keeping with the more sportsman-like conventions of the sport.
in practice yes. however even in practice a piste is useful because you are reliably able to determine if your foot attacks are as accurate as you think they are. i usually attack feet and hands. and in all fairness sometimes you aren't sure if it just brushed a foot then hit the floor.
jbonner01, you seem to have a better understanding than most that post replies concerning epee fencing. This was intended in its origins to approximate a duel, nothing more. Just try and imagine next time you fence that if you get hit, you could die. You may start to fence differently.
I totally agree, but right now I'm trying to find a balance between complete lunacy and cautious preparation fencing, I would recommend that on top of the mortal fear.
What you must remeber when starting out fencing is that a beginner can often defeat a veteran becuase he/she (the beginner) is reacting in the way that the veteran isn't expecting, so don't think that fencing is impossible. That said it is a very good idea to learn the skills, because this beginner's luck only works up until a certain point. It really depends how far you want to go with it.
I agree with this one. when i first started fencing i didnt really know the rules i would do things that a regular fencer wouldn't normally do. once you know the theories people tend to lean on those and become more predictable. the trick is to know enough to know when you are breaking the rules. :-)
Hmm, well the truth is beginner fencers have a harder time parrying than more experienced fencers. Also, épée is the heaviest fencing weapon so maybe beginners at foil or sabre have a better chance beating "veterans" with less control. I fence épée and have seen many fencers who are new to this sport and that also use this weapon. I have previously fenced foil and have fenced a few friends with a sabre.
Isn't this supposed to approximate a duel with "sharp points"? If so, these fencers have no clue. Why on earth would you run full speed at someone with a dangerous weapon? I know that they are in masks and protective gear, but one must remember and try to imagine "what would I do if these were sharp"?
How do you prefect the offence / defense to a fleche/lunge if not with practice and repetition. This isn't competition fencing.
These fencers eat many lesser fencers for breakfast as they explode on opportunities that seem subtle and insignificant. You have to teach yourself to have confidence in the smallest details and positions, allot of it is muscle memory and a sense of distance only gained through this kind of practice.
I perfect the offense and defense by first learning the basics of fencing, the technique, timing and distance required, coupled with point control. These attributes cannot be passed over, and then simply jump onto a piste and hope to "explode" on your opponent. What does it matter if it is competition fencing or not?
Is "eating many lesser fencers for breakfast" an positive attribute? They are LESSER, you should defeat them. As far as teaching myself things, I leave that to my very capable and far more knowladgeable Maestro. His 35 years of experience supercedes any insights I may have.
Continuing my thoughts...I am speaking from a classical fencing background,that is the difference I think. We don't talk about "eating lesser fencers for breakfast", which is an oxymoron, because you should always defeat a lesser opponent. We also don't "teach ourselves". I let my Maestro who is far more knowladgeable do that for me.
Dude, I fenced against my Maitre in our club's winter tournament and won. I admit that his insights are generally better, but if you're not inventive you won't win anything. And its not guaranteed you'll win against a lesser opponent. If you have an attitude like that, you'll get trouble. Trust me.
I totally agree. It's anybody's game. It's about attitude, hunger, creativity and powers of observation. I've fenced for a little under 3 years in france and beaten champions in competitions some who have spent their whole lives fencing. I gave a former olympic champion a run for his money. You should see the reactions to THOSE matches. Part of it is they are cocky at first. I don't let anyone intimidate me. EVERYONE is fair game. Watch you distance and timing and that's half the battle.
A fleche isn't 'running at your opponent', It is a short precise dive at your opponent to cover a distance that a basic lunge can't cover in the same time. If you just run at your opponent in fencing and swordfighting, you will find yourself on the end of their point quite quickly.
I'm just learning about fencing from watching these videos and following up with some othe web research. Let me share a few things: Epee is derived from *legal* dueling during the 19th century which required that the duel stop after "first blood". That's why epee fencers don't seem to worry about being counterattacked, apparently. The person who gets the first touch, anywhere on the body gets the point. So it may not be realistic as a *fight* because it's realistic as a *legal duel*.
shaggybreeks 4 years ago
If you want to know a little history about fencing then check out the Mangiarotti videos that I uploaded on my channel. Enjoy!
amenote 4 years ago
may anyone please do download more epee tournament please..i like this sport.
mslean 5 years ago
Fencing is a sport derived from classical sword fighting. However, in sport fencing, specifically epee, is simply to hit your opponent before they hit you. In a real sword fight, yes you would be dead, but in this game, that doesn't matter and as a result to win the "touch" you preform moves that nobody in a real sword fight would ever dream of doing.
WALDO1000 5 years ago
Where's your strip so if attack a foot and miss it doesn't illuminate?
larueprod 5 years ago
If it's the insulated metal piste you're looking in the video for I think that the fencers are relying on one another's honesty, which if you think about it is more in keeping with the more sportsman-like conventions of the sport.
jbonner01 5 years ago
in practice yes. however even in practice a piste is useful because you are reliably able to determine if your foot attacks are as accurate as you think they are. i usually attack feet and hands. and in all fairness sometimes you aren't sure if it just brushed a foot then hit the floor.
larueprod 5 years ago
jbonner01, you seem to have a better understanding than most that post replies concerning epee fencing. This was intended in its origins to approximate a duel, nothing more. Just try and imagine next time you fence that if you get hit, you could die. You may start to fence differently.
jasonjmj 5 years ago
I totally agree, but right now I'm trying to find a balance between complete lunacy and cautious preparation fencing, I would recommend that on top of the mortal fear.
jbonner01 5 years ago
What you must remeber when starting out fencing is that a beginner can often defeat a veteran becuase he/she (the beginner) is reacting in the way that the veteran isn't expecting, so don't think that fencing is impossible. That said it is a very good idea to learn the skills, because this beginner's luck only works up until a certain point. It really depends how far you want to go with it.
jbonner01 5 years ago
I agree with this one. when i first started fencing i didnt really know the rules i would do things that a regular fencer wouldn't normally do. once you know the theories people tend to lean on those and become more predictable. the trick is to know enough to know when you are breaking the rules. :-)
larueprod 5 years ago
Hmm, well the truth is beginner fencers have a harder time parrying than more experienced fencers. Also, épée is the heaviest fencing weapon so maybe beginners at foil or sabre have a better chance beating "veterans" with less control. I fence épée and have seen many fencers who are new to this sport and that also use this weapon. I have previously fenced foil and have fenced a few friends with a sabre.
SmashingSquash 5 years ago
Is epee fencing generally reserved for more skilled people? I dont knwo much about it but I am joining a club soon :)
youbecame 5 years ago
Isn't this supposed to approximate a duel with "sharp points"? If so, these fencers have no clue. Why on earth would you run full speed at someone with a dangerous weapon? I know that they are in masks and protective gear, but one must remember and try to imagine "what would I do if these were sharp"?
jasonjmj 5 years ago
How do you prefect the offence / defense to a fleche/lunge if not with practice and repetition. This isn't competition fencing.
These fencers eat many lesser fencers for breakfast as they explode on opportunities that seem subtle and insignificant. You have to teach yourself to have confidence in the smallest details and positions, allot of it is muscle memory and a sense of distance only gained through this kind of practice.
zanzorander 5 years ago
I perfect the offense and defense by first learning the basics of fencing, the technique, timing and distance required, coupled with point control. These attributes cannot be passed over, and then simply jump onto a piste and hope to "explode" on your opponent. What does it matter if it is competition fencing or not?
jasonjmj 5 years ago
Is "eating many lesser fencers for breakfast" an positive attribute? They are LESSER, you should defeat them. As far as teaching myself things, I leave that to my very capable and far more knowladgeable Maestro. His 35 years of experience supercedes any insights I may have.
jasonjmj 5 years ago
Continuing my thoughts...I am speaking from a classical fencing background,that is the difference I think. We don't talk about "eating lesser fencers for breakfast", which is an oxymoron, because you should always defeat a lesser opponent. We also don't "teach ourselves". I let my Maestro who is far more knowladgeable do that for me.
jasonjmj 5 years ago
Dude, I fenced against my Maitre in our club's winter tournament and won. I admit that his insights are generally better, but if you're not inventive you won't win anything. And its not guaranteed you'll win against a lesser opponent. If you have an attitude like that, you'll get trouble. Trust me.
KatonRyu 5 years ago
I totally agree. It's anybody's game. It's about attitude, hunger, creativity and powers of observation. I've fenced for a little under 3 years in france and beaten champions in competitions some who have spent their whole lives fencing. I gave a former olympic champion a run for his money. You should see the reactions to THOSE matches. Part of it is they are cocky at first. I don't let anyone intimidate me. EVERYONE is fair game. Watch you distance and timing and that's half the battle.
larueprod 5 years ago
A fleche isn't 'running at your opponent', It is a short precise dive at your opponent to cover a distance that a basic lunge can't cover in the same time. If you just run at your opponent in fencing and swordfighting, you will find yourself on the end of their point quite quickly.
jbonner01 5 years ago
nice fencing
dykenerd 5 years ago
Cool intro video to epee.
CoolestDragon 5 years ago