hello and love to all i just wanted to say that no matter what style of education you want for your kids, it the unspoken lessons of here do what i say,be like the rest of the sheep,and fear authroity that comes with traditinal schooling and home disapline for that matter. so please do your reasearch on how school was desighned 4 obedence to form ss army and is part of the new world order,lumminatie plan for ignorance. wake up you tube bashar nameste.
why can't these kids do this after school and at the weekend? My parents found time to get me to do that stuff and British kids spend more time at school than Americans!
Hey everyone! I'm not going to ever go to school! I'm never going to learn to read and write or do math or understand photosynthesis. I'm never going to take an art class, theatre class or music class. I'm not going to have any friends or socialize. I'm going to be 12 years behind everyone else my age. And then I'm not going to go to college and I'm going to work at McDonalds my whole life.
@hannabthemd I'm not asking you to be congenial towards me, but why would you write an overly sarcastic message to intentionally hurt of all the unschoolers who read it?
@jazzmatik The United States Education Program spends more time on relationships then it does on hard core EDUCATION. Kids learn more about how to be nice to one another rather than what the Quadratic Formula is. (not saying there's anything wrong with that.) But maybe an Unschooler should attend a real school so they understand both. Then they'll be smart and know how to take criticism.
@hannabthemd Thank you for clarifying! I'm not sure if unschooling is ubiquitous in Canada, but I agree, as I do believe hybrid approaches regarding learning to be done inside and outside of the classroom is vital. University is an odd one though. I spent most of my time learning biochemical and signal transduction pathways outside of the classroom on my own, but I guess the applied understanding came from lab work and exams. p.s. I'm a med student too ;)
If you have no education, how do you work? Do you work, or do you live on the welfare, supplied by the taxmoney of people who work. You wont "force" your children to learn? You prefer them to be uneducated morons, living in a city park somewhere, getting their needles and drugs free from a local "do-gooder" who doens't want them to get Aids as they waste their lives away?
I am unschooled,going on 15 and I feel i know a lot about history and how things work,such as politics and such from watching a lot of news and things like that but I know I lack a lot on math. what happens to people like me that lack a "formal" education? Don't get me wrong I love my lifestyle but I am afraid of a real "wake up call" once I get older.
@CDeanWatcher Of course I won't force them. What kind of fucking impression do you have about the lower economic class anyways? Force and Coercion is fucking slavery bullshit. I assume you want to put a gun to your child and force him to learn? Why don't you try slavery, asshole? Whoever said I wanted to give my child no education? I'd rather stimulate thoughts on the world, instead of shoving it down his throat. You're a moron.
>>>Whoever said I wanted to give my child no education? I'd rather stimulate thoughts on the world, instead of shoving it down his throat. You're a moron.
You're the one who said it. If you don't want to give people the wrong impression, you need to write more clearly.
>>>P.S: Fuck your god
Your language is crass, and you are coarse. I feel sorry for your kids.
I hope you felt offended just as much as I did when you came out with those fallacious straw man appeals. I wrote clearly enough, and I could not find a single reference to me lashing out education for my children.
By the way, I'm pretty sure my kids could give less of a damn about something as arbitrary as profanity.
"I'd rather stimulate thoughts on the world, instead of shoving it down his throat."
But if your kids would rather rub dogshit on a wall, how can you stimulate them for anything? Direct them into it and let them ask questions & venture off the initial subject.
EX: Who wants to play kickball?
Kickball, originally called "Kick Baseball", was invented around 1917 by Nicholas C Seuss; Supervisor of Cincinnati Park Playgrounds. *Never knew that 'til now.*
Why can't...(or shouldn't?)...a child both go to school and then receive all that unschooling has to offer while at home? So, why can't a child go to school and then have "unschooling" activities: after school, on weekends, or during the summer? They are only at school 5-6 hours of the day. That is, why must a child not go to a public school, which seems to be the main issue here?
@BuBBaGump014 The issue is freedom. It's kind of hard to arrange something like that, and have your own schedule. It doesn't work that way with all the stuff school has to offer. School is a prison-like hell hole, and it's pretty damn obvious to any kid going there. That is... unless they voluntarily want to go to school.
@sticksquash Right, freedom. But obviously the kids don't have freedom to ANYTHING they want. I find it hard that they aren't guided in some way or another. I mean, YOU seem to have presuppositions about school, which is fine, we all have bad experiences with all sorts of things, but how does your child choose school if they don't go? And if they go till grade 1, high school is way different! If the child had freedom, it seems they should have freedom from even you. Seems hypocritical, no?
@BuBBaGump014 Well tell me... how is putting a "gun" to my head, and forcing me to go, not enslaving/imprisoning me? I'd discuss and engage some educational stuff with my children, but never in my life will I force them to learn.
If I want my kid to have freedom, I have to give him his choice. Yeah, I don't know, maybe they will. Since in America's public education, we're taught to how to prepare for our jobs, not education. It's horrible.
@sticksquash Really? Going to school is like learning while having a gun to your head? Hmm...sort of a bad analogy / red herring there. I guess I just had a different experience at school? Sorry, just can't relate to that. And I didn't really get any of my questions answered :/ oh well, thanks anyways.
@BuBBaGump014 Well I did answer them... indirectly though. When I say "having a gun put to my head", it means I'm forced, I'm coerced. Education is compulsory, you are forced to go. We have truancy police now. They're just like taxes. Pay up, or pay the fine, or even go to heights of imprisonment. That's what it means. Nobody should be able to force anything on you, but the government does anyways.
@sticksquash But weren't you equally as forced to acquire English as your first language, both to speak and to write? Weren't you equally as forced to learn base 10 mathematics? Weren't you equally as forced to learn empirical system? You did not *choose* any of those, but they were essential for you to function in the society you happen to live (which is also imposed on you). Americans have so much freedom they don't even know how good they have it! How much freedom does a third-world child get
@BuBBaGump014 Well... no. I started speaking later on... well, at least to my parents. My initial learning was all based off of unschooling principles. Every parent wants children to learn freely and properly. That is, opening a book and reading about it. Researching it on the internet. Schools kind of take away this incentive. I guess unschooling can minimize "freedoms" because of the government just makes these restraints.
@sticksquash And you can't even say that formal education is the problem. I highly doubt that any parent would stand by and literally let their child not do anything. Every parent wants their child to learn as much as possible so that they can function in their sociocultural epoch. Even unschooled children who go to university have to give in to a curriculum sooner or later. I guess I don't see how this has anything to do with freedom. Unschooling minimizes freedoms in the long run.
@sticksquash I mean, the real problem here is money, isn't it? You can choose not to work, but then it's hard to get food and stay alive. We all would like money and a safe future. Normally this means getting a nice paying job. But a nice paying job requires a formal education. So why fight the inevitable? We're all trying to get to the same place. And it seems to me that if someone goes to school but harbours the *attitude* of an unschooler, it will do *more* good: i.e., maximize freedoms.
How dare you compare Obama to Hitler! I don't like Obama either (he's lied and doesn't actually do his work), but I would never, EVER compare him to a man who killed over 6 million minority people and tried to corrupt governments worldwide by imposing a regime. Your statement is offensive and deserves to be removed.
@sticksquash I mean, a child's freedom to choose is only as good as what they can choose from. Would you agree that keeping them from the formal education system hinders them? I'm not saying hinder in a bad way, but you cannot deny that they won't meet the standards that do exist (e.g., SATs) to become a doctor, an astronaut, a zoologists, etc. etc. If you want your kid to have freedom shouldn't you maximize their choices? And doesn't that mean doing BOTH is better? Unschooling minimizes choice.
I like this video although we use a more "eclectic" approach to homeschooling. Some of the comments are ridiculous- all Republicans support mandatory public school? All unschoolers are left-wing? A true conservative believes in limited govt and people's choice. The unschooling families we interact with are quite conservative in their political and social beliefs. Of course there are others who lean the other way. Homeschooling is not about politics, but doing the best for children.
We have decided to homeshool our daughter. Linda has a number of exceptionaities, one being music-she is well above average in reading music and playing a variety of instruemnts. Unfortunately, she has other exceptionalities which tend to be the entire focus of her schooling experience. We have concluded that on balance she learns best from us and on her own schedule, The Institution simply isn't able to meet her needs.
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i like unschooling. unfortunatly i think most parents that pursue it keep their kids sheltered. they dont take them on enough trips to different places, and they keep them inside. i think if your gonna pursue unschooling u should have the free time to take ur kids places, or a large amount of land for them to play on.
Yes, home schoolers get real world learning. Kids learn well outside of the school experience. Un-schoolers on average are excellent readers, thinkers, speakers and so on. However, College is a lot like public school and not at all like being home schooled. Higher level math and science requires an expertise few parents possess. College is still essential as graduates will on average make a million dollars more over a lifetime. Public schools are still needed. Why turn our backs?
I am not an unschooler, I'm more eclectic in my approach, but I did attend an unschooling conference. I was VERY impressed with the teens I met there. VERY.
@skullaria I'm not surprised...think about what public school is all about...training kids how to become commodoties in a flawed system of greed. That's it! Public school doesn't value the well-being of the students, it doesn't value teaching them how to become self-empowered and creative, it values discipline and conformity and the criteria is very limited...it just trains kids to become a slaves to the system. If I had kids, there's no way in hell they would be in public school.
@skullaria ...and discipline was the wrong choice of words...discipline is a good thing. SELF-discipline is a good thing..and public schools don't teach that either. The word I was looking for is subservience...that's what they teach. And none of this is intended to be negative, I respect all sides of life. Just saying...public school? MY kids? Uh, no
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Yeah that's a REAL intelligent response from a person unable to articulate a cogent counter argument influenced by "UN schooling". Thanks for proving my point!!!!
hey 'less-xotic'....tell us how you phucked Raquel Welch with your masters....we know how you love to brag...and lie...what a hopeless pathetic excuse for a person...
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PT III
The only way to get an adeqaute education is too use vouchers which will indoctrinate students to a point of conservative religiosity that is blatantly promoted.
So unless you have the resources to like the self indulgent adults in these videos you're up shit's creek. Did I explain it in simple enough terms?
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Republicans are a breed that is NONE Too Bright.
I rather use a conflict analysis 2 examine why these children run the risk of becoming intolerant conservatives as a result of a lack of exposure.
It's referred to as "structural violence" that means that on an institutional level social ,stratification is established through lack of funding, disporopartion resources in one area & nnot the other. Compound this with the only out of such dismal circumstantces conservatives want... (see PT III)
Not forcing your kids to go to school means allowing them to pursue their interests. School tells you that you have to do this a certain way and that's it... and life, as we know, is far more variable than that. I think we need to listen to children more.
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"Not forcing your kids to go to school means allowing them to pursue their interests. "
It also prevents one from developing discipline. You KNOW that in the REAL world life often necessitates that we cannot always do ONLY what we are interested in as we develop more and more responsibilities.
Anyway there are schools for developing those creative interests. The LAST thing we need are MORE closed minded dimwitted American morons.
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"Except that most dim witted Americans went to public schools... "
Well since I went to Private elementary school and since I attended a private college and since I have attained a Master's degree I can write that if the public school system is flawed it's because the government keeps reducing available resources yet demands thry meets the same standards as their affluent counterparts.
Just Great ANOTHER generation of myopic closed minded morons on the way.
Reducing funding to the public schools certainly doesn't help, but that would hardly make people stupid; the problem is that people have different interests (we're not talking about "do anything you want", some people gravitate to different things, it's just that obvious), so by requiring everybody to go under the same standard makes people lose interest in the work, and this perfectly natural behavior is seen as "defiant" which couldn't be further from the truth.
I ran out of space in my last post so I'm continuing it here
But yeah, reducing the funding would result in general lack of opportunity, but it would hardly transform you into a stupid person instantly. I also hasten to mention that there are other ways of learning outside of school. Was the world perfect before school, and was there unlawfulness and disorder the school system tries to fix? Undoubtedly, but it still exists today, so what's the point?
"I also hasten to mention that there are other ways of learning outside of school. :
I possess a Master's degree in Knowledge Management/Social and Organizational Learning. I don't need your input as ro the various learning styles that exist as I employ them in my work.
What learning method did I use 2 attain my degree? Double Loop Learning, How? Let's see: Hmmm I ATTENDED SCHOOL!
There arev several learning styles that can be employed: Double Loop, Experiential, Single Loop, Distance Learning etc. You don't know the pluses or minuses of each style and erroneously refer to the method you use as "un schooling" that's either idiotic of amazingly arrogant to behave as if "you" (in the collective sense) actually invented this tyope of learning.
First off, I didn't delete your posts, as I didn't post the video.
Second, using your education to be elitist and try to be better than everybody else = fail.
Nobody said anything about not giving your kid GUIDANCE. Requiring them by law to go to school isn't the same thing, and in fact it's giving even less guidance. All you're told to do is to shut up and do the work. I know very well about the "real world", but making the fallacy that no school = no discipline is pretty ridiculous.
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"making the fallacy that no school = no discipline is pretty ridiculous."
Not as ridiculous as this non sense. Think about this: Why is it that it's primarily European Americans who are ALWAYS doing this? Why? It boarders on the pathological.
In 30 to m40 years it will be YOUR children who will mature into those intolerant close minded bigoted uninformed Republicans who engage in substance less Jingoist chants.
Aren't most Republicans in favor of keeping the mandatory schooling thing? Sorry, but you're having a hard time convincing me you're not full of shit.
"Aren't most Republicans in favor of keeping the mandatory schooling thing? Sorry, but you're having a hard time convincing me you're not full of shit."
I don't have to convince you that I am not full of shit. I have successfully convinced George Mason University of that in 2006 when I received my MASTER"s Degree. I donm't know you, you're credentials mand I really don't care what you think of me (See Part II).
@lezxotic You seem very unhappy, insulting, bigoted and closed minded. Youve made unfounded claims galore with no supporting evidence and claimed that is proved something. I hope you know that you made your opponents arguments for them by being so obviously an unapologetically clueless and rude. You claim to have received a very fine, expensive and structured education and just look what it produced.
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"Not forcing your kids to go to school means allowing them to pursue their interests. "
It also prevents one from developing discipline. You KNOW that in the REAL world life often necessitates that we cannot always do ONLY what we are interested in as we develop more and more responsibilities.
How absurd is it to NOT provide your children with guidance anyway? YES children should be listened to but they are children, they are children lacking the judgment to make significant life choices.
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I don't appreciate you deleting my comments because I successfully disproved your theories so I will repost.
Unlike yourself I hold a Master's Degree in Knowledge Management/Social and Organizational Learning.
There are various learning styles: Double Loop, Experiential, Single Loop Distance etc & it is arrogant and self serving to believe that "Un Schooling" is "your" (collective sense) invention.
Real Adult of you to delete comments instead of asking questions and "learning".
I'm currently doing very poorly in school, not because of my intelligence, but by how it's not interesting enough to me to see a point in doing the work. I agree 100% that this is a better way to learn. Now to convince my parents... x.x
shiny edge, Don't blame yourself. Part of permanently detaching one's education from one's schooling is learning that your instincts about the system might not be wrong. Somehow a student of schooling convinces himself it is he who is doing poorly, and not the school. The system itself schools the student in the assumption that the school is free of critique, and that assumption remains a reality for 12 years and infractions are awarded with detentions and F's.
The book, The Teenage Liberation Handbook, by Grace Llewellyn is a great resource, and there is a section in the book I believe on "convincing parents" - it's a great book nonetheless.
Congratulations on making the decision to leave school! Had I had to make the decision, and not my parents when I was young, I don't think I would have been brave enough to leave school. I'm very happy that I am unschooled, and I'm enjoying life! I agree that the Teenage Liberation Handbook is an awesome book. Whenever I feel insecure about unschooling, I read that and it always makes me feel much better!
I mean, its so stress free! Its so natural! Why wouldn't we?
Failing that, I'm sending them to a Sudbury School. Pretty much unschooling (or as I say-Free-Learning) in a multi-child/age environment and some professionally trained staff as guides.
We've raised a houseful this way!! Now well adjusted, very loving, fantastic and intelligent adults and young adults! You have the right idea so keep with it! :o)
hello and love to all i just wanted to say that no matter what style of education you want for your kids, it the unspoken lessons of here do what i say,be like the rest of the sheep,and fear authroity that comes with traditinal schooling and home disapline for that matter. so please do your reasearch on how school was desighned 4 obedence to form ss army and is part of the new world order,lumminatie plan for ignorance. wake up you tube bashar nameste.
mrsmelloopy 4 days ago
We have forgotten. But, we are remembering.
kozychik 3 months ago
the beginning music was hell dramatic lol
littleseamstress 10 months ago
what a hippie
amyyyamy 1 year ago
why can't these kids do this after school and at the weekend? My parents found time to get me to do that stuff and British kids spend more time at school than Americans!
schmeeling 1 year ago
For more information about unschooling, autonomous or self directed learning visit
radiofreeschool.blogspot.com. Comments are welcome!
Radio Free School gang.
radiofreeschool 1 year ago
Hey everyone! I'm not going to ever go to school! I'm never going to learn to read and write or do math or understand photosynthesis. I'm never going to take an art class, theatre class or music class. I'm not going to have any friends or socialize. I'm going to be 12 years behind everyone else my age. And then I'm not going to go to college and I'm going to work at McDonalds my whole life.
YEAH! Unschooling is definitely great!
hannabthemd 1 year ago
@hannabthemd For an MD you certainly are not very congenial.
jazzmatik 1 year ago
@jazzmatik I'm not congenial to you or your needs. There's a difference.
hannabthemd 1 year ago
@hannabthemd I'm not asking you to be congenial towards me, but why would you write an overly sarcastic message to intentionally hurt of all the unschoolers who read it?
jazzmatik 1 year ago
@jazzmatik The United States Education Program spends more time on relationships then it does on hard core EDUCATION. Kids learn more about how to be nice to one another rather than what the Quadratic Formula is. (not saying there's anything wrong with that.) But maybe an Unschooler should attend a real school so they understand both. Then they'll be smart and know how to take criticism.
hannabthemd 1 year ago
@hannabthemd Thank you for clarifying! I'm not sure if unschooling is ubiquitous in Canada, but I agree, as I do believe hybrid approaches regarding learning to be done inside and outside of the classroom is vital. University is an odd one though. I spent most of my time learning biochemical and signal transduction pathways outside of the classroom on my own, but I guess the applied understanding came from lab work and exams. p.s. I'm a med student too ;)
jazzmatik 1 year ago
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@CDeanWatcher: I WANT TO BUY YOU A BEER!
Well said:..........
If you have no education, how do you work? Do you work, or do you live on the welfare, supplied by the taxmoney of people who work. You wont "force" your children to learn? You prefer them to be uneducated morons, living in a city park somewhere, getting their needles and drugs free from a local "do-gooder" who doens't want them to get Aids as they waste their lives away?
PavePaws 1 year ago
I am unschooled,going on 15 and I feel i know a lot about history and how things work,such as politics and such from watching a lot of news and things like that but I know I lack a lot on math. what happens to people like me that lack a "formal" education? Don't get me wrong I love my lifestyle but I am afraid of a real "wake up call" once I get older.
kingmanted 1 year ago
@CDeanWatcher Of course I won't force them. What kind of fucking impression do you have about the lower economic class anyways? Force and Coercion is fucking slavery bullshit. I assume you want to put a gun to your child and force him to learn? Why don't you try slavery, asshole? Whoever said I wanted to give my child no education? I'd rather stimulate thoughts on the world, instead of shoving it down his throat. You're a moron.
P.S: Fuck your god.
sticksquash 1 year ago
@sticksquash
>>>Whoever said I wanted to give my child no education? I'd rather stimulate thoughts on the world, instead of shoving it down his throat. You're a moron.
You're the one who said it. If you don't want to give people the wrong impression, you need to write more clearly.
>>>P.S: Fuck your god
Your language is crass, and you are coarse. I feel sorry for your kids.
CDeanWatcher 1 year ago
@CDeanWatcher
I hope you felt offended just as much as I did when you came out with those fallacious straw man appeals. I wrote clearly enough, and I could not find a single reference to me lashing out education for my children.
By the way, I'm pretty sure my kids could give less of a damn about something as arbitrary as profanity.
sticksquash 1 year ago
@sticksquash:
"I'd rather stimulate thoughts on the world, instead of shoving it down his throat."
But if your kids would rather rub dogshit on a wall, how can you stimulate them for anything? Direct them into it and let them ask questions & venture off the initial subject.
EX: Who wants to play kickball?
Kickball, originally called "Kick Baseball", was invented around 1917 by Nicholas C Seuss; Supervisor of Cincinnati Park Playgrounds. *Never knew that 'til now.*
Learn+fun.
PavePaws 1 year ago
@PavePaws Wow... your comment was just dumb.
hannabthemd 1 year ago
@hannabthemd: Insert MAMA joke here.
PavePaws 1 year ago
@hannabthemd
Why yes, I would like another cup of coffee. And bring the bill when you get a chance please...thanks
PavePaws 1 year ago
Question:
Why can't...(or shouldn't?)...a child both go to school and then receive all that unschooling has to offer while at home? So, why can't a child go to school and then have "unschooling" activities: after school, on weekends, or during the summer? They are only at school 5-6 hours of the day. That is, why must a child not go to a public school, which seems to be the main issue here?
BuBBaGump014 1 year ago
@BuBBaGump014 The issue is freedom. It's kind of hard to arrange something like that, and have your own schedule. It doesn't work that way with all the stuff school has to offer. School is a prison-like hell hole, and it's pretty damn obvious to any kid going there. That is... unless they voluntarily want to go to school.
sticksquash 1 year ago
@sticksquash Right, freedom. But obviously the kids don't have freedom to ANYTHING they want. I find it hard that they aren't guided in some way or another. I mean, YOU seem to have presuppositions about school, which is fine, we all have bad experiences with all sorts of things, but how does your child choose school if they don't go? And if they go till grade 1, high school is way different! If the child had freedom, it seems they should have freedom from even you. Seems hypocritical, no?
BuBBaGump014 1 year ago
@BuBBaGump014 Well tell me... how is putting a "gun" to my head, and forcing me to go, not enslaving/imprisoning me? I'd discuss and engage some educational stuff with my children, but never in my life will I force them to learn.
If I want my kid to have freedom, I have to give him his choice. Yeah, I don't know, maybe they will. Since in America's public education, we're taught to how to prepare for our jobs, not education. It's horrible.
sticksquash 1 year ago
@sticksquash Really? Going to school is like learning while having a gun to your head? Hmm...sort of a bad analogy / red herring there. I guess I just had a different experience at school? Sorry, just can't relate to that. And I didn't really get any of my questions answered :/ oh well, thanks anyways.
BuBBaGump014 1 year ago
@BuBBaGump014 Well I did answer them... indirectly though. When I say "having a gun put to my head", it means I'm forced, I'm coerced. Education is compulsory, you are forced to go. We have truancy police now. They're just like taxes. Pay up, or pay the fine, or even go to heights of imprisonment. That's what it means. Nobody should be able to force anything on you, but the government does anyways.
sticksquash 1 year ago
@sticksquash But weren't you equally as forced to acquire English as your first language, both to speak and to write? Weren't you equally as forced to learn base 10 mathematics? Weren't you equally as forced to learn empirical system? You did not *choose* any of those, but they were essential for you to function in the society you happen to live (which is also imposed on you). Americans have so much freedom they don't even know how good they have it! How much freedom does a third-world child get
BuBBaGump014 1 year ago
@BuBBaGump014 Well... no. I started speaking later on... well, at least to my parents. My initial learning was all based off of unschooling principles. Every parent wants children to learn freely and properly. That is, opening a book and reading about it. Researching it on the internet. Schools kind of take away this incentive. I guess unschooling can minimize "freedoms" because of the government just makes these restraints.
sticksquash 1 year ago
@sticksquash And you can't even say that formal education is the problem. I highly doubt that any parent would stand by and literally let their child not do anything. Every parent wants their child to learn as much as possible so that they can function in their sociocultural epoch. Even unschooled children who go to university have to give in to a curriculum sooner or later. I guess I don't see how this has anything to do with freedom. Unschooling minimizes freedoms in the long run.
BuBBaGump014 1 year ago
@BuBBaGump014: "Unschooling minimizes freedoms in the long run."
*High five* Exactly.
Ignorance is the lack of information.
Unschooling is eventual Ignorance.
Who wants an ignorant employee?
PavePaws 1 year ago
@sticksquash I mean, the real problem here is money, isn't it? You can choose not to work, but then it's hard to get food and stay alive. We all would like money and a safe future. Normally this means getting a nice paying job. But a nice paying job requires a formal education. So why fight the inevitable? We're all trying to get to the same place. And it seems to me that if someone goes to school but harbours the *attitude* of an unschooler, it will do *more* good: i.e., maximize freedoms.
BuBBaGump014 1 year ago
@BuBBaGump014: Unschooled will be on assistance programs since they won't have the basic skill set taught in Home or formal classes.
But that's okay, OBAMA will be in office for "400" years and his SHARE THE WEALTH (communist) agenda will feed, clothe and house everyone!
Heil mein Führer OBAMA!
PavePaws 1 year ago
@PavePaws-
How dare you compare Obama to Hitler! I don't like Obama either (he's lied and doesn't actually do his work), but I would never, EVER compare him to a man who killed over 6 million minority people and tried to corrupt governments worldwide by imposing a regime. Your statement is offensive and deserves to be removed.
Jpmadore1 1 year ago
@Jpmadore1 Obama is a killer just like Bush and Hitler
and all the rest. Human life and human rights mean nothing
to him. He regularly drops bombs on weddings and funerals.
He's in at least three or four countries openly now, and many
more covertly. He is also imposing his regime on us.
The only difference is that he doesn't kill for racial reasons
but reason of class, money, status, power. The dead are
still dead though. They die by his hands.
Don't defend murderers and thieves.
OgeronimonominoregO 1 year ago
@Jpmadore1
1) YOU wouldn't compare him, but *I* would.
2) You want to remove my comments because they offend? If that was possible, then there would be no ugly lesbians...I'd have "removed" them all.
PavePaws 1 year ago
@sticksquash I mean, a child's freedom to choose is only as good as what they can choose from. Would you agree that keeping them from the formal education system hinders them? I'm not saying hinder in a bad way, but you cannot deny that they won't meet the standards that do exist (e.g., SATs) to become a doctor, an astronaut, a zoologists, etc. etc. If you want your kid to have freedom shouldn't you maximize their choices? And doesn't that mean doing BOTH is better? Unschooling minimizes choice.
BuBBaGump014 1 year ago
Thank you for posting this video.
leavesof3 1 year ago
I like this video although we use a more "eclectic" approach to homeschooling. Some of the comments are ridiculous- all Republicans support mandatory public school? All unschoolers are left-wing? A true conservative believes in limited govt and people's choice. The unschooling families we interact with are quite conservative in their political and social beliefs. Of course there are others who lean the other way. Homeschooling is not about politics, but doing the best for children.
sarajeen 2 years ago 2
@sarajeen Absolutely!
leavesof3 1 year ago
We have decided to homeshool our daughter. Linda has a number of exceptionaities, one being music-she is well above average in reading music and playing a variety of instruemnts. Unfortunately, she has other exceptionalities which tend to be the entire focus of her schooling experience. We have concluded that on balance she learns best from us and on her own schedule, The Institution simply isn't able to meet her needs.
Bluehart007 2 years ago 4
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i like unschooling. unfortunatly i think most parents that pursue it keep their kids sheltered. they dont take them on enough trips to different places, and they keep them inside. i think if your gonna pursue unschooling u should have the free time to take ur kids places, or a large amount of land for them to play on.
bigajosep 2 years ago
Yes, home schoolers get real world learning. Kids learn well outside of the school experience. Un-schoolers on average are excellent readers, thinkers, speakers and so on. However, College is a lot like public school and not at all like being home schooled. Higher level math and science requires an expertise few parents possess. College is still essential as graduates will on average make a million dollars more over a lifetime. Public schools are still needed. Why turn our backs?
ohsnap31 3 years ago
I know of lots of unschoolers who either went or are going to college or university. That's not really an issue at all...
catzie690 3 years ago 17
I am not an unschooler, I'm more eclectic in my approach, but I did attend an unschooling conference. I was VERY impressed with the teens I met there. VERY.
skullaria 3 years ago 18
@skullaria I'm not surprised...think about what public school is all about...training kids how to become commodoties in a flawed system of greed. That's it! Public school doesn't value the well-being of the students, it doesn't value teaching them how to become self-empowered and creative, it values discipline and conformity and the criteria is very limited...it just trains kids to become a slaves to the system. If I had kids, there's no way in hell they would be in public school.
ObiWanGinobiliTopFan 1 month ago
@skullaria ...and discipline was the wrong choice of words...discipline is a good thing. SELF-discipline is a good thing..and public schools don't teach that either. The word I was looking for is subservience...that's what they teach. And none of this is intended to be negative, I respect all sides of life. Just saying...public school? MY kids? Uh, no
ObiWanGinobiliTopFan 1 month ago
as long as u got the cash, there's plenty of universities thatll take anyone
bigajosep 2 years ago
Genius, every word you say.
Love it.
anne0203 3 years ago 2
I've tired of this topic. I am no longer interested in any further discourse with this thread.
Have a good evevning.
Further comments will be ignored.
lezxotic 3 years ago
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Bye then.
You're the stupidest motherfucker I've met in a long time.
youvebeenthunderstru 3 years ago
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Yeah that's a REAL intelligent response from a person unable to articulate a cogent counter argument influenced by "UN schooling". Thanks for proving my point!!!!
Your response it Priceless!
Get ready America! More Morons Coming Your Way!
lezxotic 3 years ago
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hey 'less-xotic'....tell us how you phucked Raquel Welch with your masters....we know how you love to brag...and lie...what a hopeless pathetic excuse for a person...
saywhat321 2 years ago
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PT III
The only way to get an adeqaute education is too use vouchers which will indoctrinate students to a point of conservative religiosity that is blatantly promoted.
So unless you have the resources to like the self indulgent adults in these videos you're up shit's creek. Did I explain it in simple enough terms?
lezxotic 3 years ago
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Republicans are a breed that is NONE Too Bright.
I rather use a conflict analysis 2 examine why these children run the risk of becoming intolerant conservatives as a result of a lack of exposure.
It's referred to as "structural violence" that means that on an institutional level social ,stratification is established through lack of funding, disporopartion resources in one area & nnot the other. Compound this with the only out of such dismal circumstantces conservatives want... (see PT III)
lezxotic 3 years ago
WTF? Erm, virtually all of the unschoolers I've met are decidedly left wing. What's this crap about unschoolers somehow morphing into republicans?
catzie690 3 years ago
i never met an unschooler
bigajosep 2 years ago
@bigajosep Yes you have met an unschooler, that is if you are a Christian.
researchologist 2 years ago
Not forcing your kids to go to school means allowing them to pursue their interests. School tells you that you have to do this a certain way and that's it... and life, as we know, is far more variable than that. I think we need to listen to children more.
youvebeenthunderstru 3 years ago 2
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"Not forcing your kids to go to school means allowing them to pursue their interests. "
It also prevents one from developing discipline. You KNOW that in the REAL world life often necessitates that we cannot always do ONLY what we are interested in as we develop more and more responsibilities.
Anyway there are schools for developing those creative interests. The LAST thing we need are MORE closed minded dimwitted American morons.
GO TO SCHOOL IDIOTS!
lezxotic 3 years ago
Except that most dim witted Americans went to public schools...
youvebeenthunderstru 3 years ago 5
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"Except that most dim witted Americans went to public schools... "
Well since I went to Private elementary school and since I attended a private college and since I have attained a Master's degree I can write that if the public school system is flawed it's because the government keeps reducing available resources yet demands thry meets the same standards as their affluent counterparts.
Just Great ANOTHER generation of myopic closed minded morons on the way.
lezxotic 3 years ago
Reducing funding to the public schools certainly doesn't help, but that would hardly make people stupid; the problem is that people have different interests (we're not talking about "do anything you want", some people gravitate to different things, it's just that obvious), so by requiring everybody to go under the same standard makes people lose interest in the work, and this perfectly natural behavior is seen as "defiant" which couldn't be further from the truth.
youvebeenthunderstru 3 years ago 3
I ran out of space in my last post so I'm continuing it here
But yeah, reducing the funding would result in general lack of opportunity, but it would hardly transform you into a stupid person instantly. I also hasten to mention that there are other ways of learning outside of school. Was the world perfect before school, and was there unlawfulness and disorder the school system tries to fix? Undoubtedly, but it still exists today, so what's the point?
And don't ever call us "idiots".
youvebeenthunderstru 3 years ago 3
"I also hasten to mention that there are other ways of learning outside of school. :
I possess a Master's degree in Knowledge Management/Social and Organizational Learning. I don't need your input as ro the various learning styles that exist as I employ them in my work.
What learning method did I use 2 attain my degree? Double Loop Learning, How? Let's see: Hmmm I ATTENDED SCHOOL!
lezxotic 3 years ago
"And don't ever call us "idiots".
Or what? Please spare me your hollow threats (?)
There arev several learning styles that can be employed: Double Loop, Experiential, Single Loop, Distance Learning etc. You don't know the pluses or minuses of each style and erroneously refer to the method you use as "un schooling" that's either idiotic of amazingly arrogant to behave as if "you" (in the collective sense) actually invented this tyope of learning.
lezxotic 3 years ago
First off, I didn't delete your posts, as I didn't post the video.
Second, using your education to be elitist and try to be better than everybody else = fail.
Nobody said anything about not giving your kid GUIDANCE. Requiring them by law to go to school isn't the same thing, and in fact it's giving even less guidance. All you're told to do is to shut up and do the work. I know very well about the "real world", but making the fallacy that no school = no discipline is pretty ridiculous.
youvebeenthunderstru 3 years ago 4
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"making the fallacy that no school = no discipline is pretty ridiculous."
Not as ridiculous as this non sense. Think about this: Why is it that it's primarily European Americans who are ALWAYS doing this? Why? It boarders on the pathological.
In 30 to m40 years it will be YOUR children who will mature into those intolerant close minded bigoted uninformed Republicans who engage in substance less Jingoist chants.
Maybe that's the plan eh?
lezxotic 3 years ago
Aren't most Republicans in favor of keeping the mandatory schooling thing? Sorry, but you're having a hard time convincing me you're not full of shit.
youvebeenthunderstru 3 years ago 5
Part I of II
"Aren't most Republicans in favor of keeping the mandatory schooling thing? Sorry, but you're having a hard time convincing me you're not full of shit."
I don't have to convince you that I am not full of shit. I have successfully convinced George Mason University of that in 2006 when I received my MASTER"s Degree. I donm't know you, you're credentials mand I really don't care what you think of me (See Part II).
lezxotic 3 years ago
Oh, so you're an EXPERT. Now I understand. *Rolls eyes*
catzie690 3 years ago
@lezxotic You seem very unhappy, insulting, bigoted and closed minded. Youve made unfounded claims galore with no supporting evidence and claimed that is proved something. I hope you know that you made your opponents arguments for them by being so obviously an unapologetically clueless and rude. You claim to have received a very fine, expensive and structured education and just look what it produced.
leavesof3 1 year ago
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"Not forcing your kids to go to school means allowing them to pursue their interests. "
It also prevents one from developing discipline. You KNOW that in the REAL world life often necessitates that we cannot always do ONLY what we are interested in as we develop more and more responsibilities.
How absurd is it to NOT provide your children with guidance anyway? YES children should be listened to but they are children, they are children lacking the judgment to make significant life choices.
lezxotic 3 years ago
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I don't appreciate you deleting my comments because I successfully disproved your theories so I will repost.
Unlike yourself I hold a Master's Degree in Knowledge Management/Social and Organizational Learning.
There are various learning styles: Double Loop, Experiential, Single Loop Distance etc & it is arrogant and self serving to believe that "Un Schooling" is "your" (collective sense) invention.
Real Adult of you to delete comments instead of asking questions and "learning".
Oh yeah smart.
lezxotic 3 years ago
yes to life
anne0203 3 years ago
iv'e taken my 12yr old out of school before any more damage is done.
Now she can start learning about real life.
xXstarheartsXx 3 years ago 5
I'm currently doing very poorly in school, not because of my intelligence, but by how it's not interesting enough to me to see a point in doing the work. I agree 100% that this is a better way to learn. Now to convince my parents... x.x
shinyedgestudios 4 years ago 5
shiny edge, Don't blame yourself. Part of permanently detaching one's education from one's schooling is learning that your instincts about the system might not be wrong. Somehow a student of schooling convinces himself it is he who is doing poorly, and not the school. The system itself schools the student in the assumption that the school is free of critique, and that assumption remains a reality for 12 years and infractions are awarded with detentions and F's.
SirMildredPierce 4 years ago 2
The book, The Teenage Liberation Handbook, by Grace Llewellyn is a great resource, and there is a section in the book I believe on "convincing parents" - it's a great book nonetheless.
holisticgeek 3 years ago 3
Congratulations on making the decision to leave school! Had I had to make the decision, and not my parents when I was young, I don't think I would have been brave enough to leave school. I'm very happy that I am unschooled, and I'm enjoying life! I agree that the Teenage Liberation Handbook is an awesome book. Whenever I feel insecure about unschooling, I read that and it always makes me feel much better!
catzie690 3 years ago
I knwo how I'm raising my kids!
I mean, its so stress free! Its so natural! Why wouldn't we?
Failing that, I'm sending them to a Sudbury School. Pretty much unschooling (or as I say-Free-Learning) in a multi-child/age environment and some professionally trained staff as guides.
Treemeadow 4 years ago 2
We've raised a houseful this way!! Now well adjusted, very loving, fantastic and intelligent adults and young adults! You have the right idea so keep with it! :o)
kastnmagic 4 years ago
KIDS: 8 hours at school, ADULT 8+ hours at work.
public/private schoolers such as me were trained literally to be obedient good workers. I agree with you man.
Draxius 4 years ago 4
amen
yonirules 4 years ago