I am a "cradle Catholic" born in 1968, so I have wondered how evangelization worked before V-II. I always had the impression that the average Catholic's duty was to "pray (go to Church) pay (collection plate) and shut up."
I got the impression that Catholics were "canon fodder" to Protestant relatives at the family picnic. This leads into why the Mass was converted to the vernacular. Protestants were taking non-believing friends to services. Now we could to. I'm not a "progessive."
@sulkow82 I always had the impression that the average Catholic's duty was to "pray (go to Church) pay (collection plate) and shut up."
They you are wrong - fortunately. Prior to Vatican II Catholics had a good understanding of what their duties were; convert the world to the one true faith.
The Mass in the vernacular is a good thing - but why could people not be taken to the Mass before then? Are we really to think that for 500 years no non-Catholics went to Mass?
I want to evangelize, and i do ,but often find myself hampered by my own parish, my own parish priest, my fellow Catholics and spend much of my time re-catechizing my own people, but I am also comforted by the Lord's words.....Mt 16:18, "You are Peter and upon this Rock, I will build my Church and the Gates of Hell will not overcome it."
I am a convert and I assure you, I may not be a good Catholic (praying, devotions etc.) but I am orthodox however. I am not sure how I was evangelised, but it was very gently over a long period of time and God was doing all the work.
You will be tempted to say, "But what can we do about it? It is a bishop who says this or that. Look, this document comes from the Catechetical Commission or some other official commission."
St. Paul has warned us, "Even if an angel from Heaven came to tell you anything other than what I have taught you, do not listen to him."
Modernism is not a recent invention. In 1907, there appeared the famous Encyclical "Pascendi" of Pope Pius X which expounds and condemns the system of Modernism. How many are aware that the Anti-Modernist Oath is now no longer required before becoming a priest or a bishop?? Why are churchmen no longer bound? The Anti-Modernist Oath was abolished in 1967. Clearly, we can see more ill-effects of Vatican II! Prior to this, no young man infected by Modernism errors entered into Holy Orders!
Evangelization is still very important. I wish I had evangelized more people to the Catholic faith. I prayed for Newt Gingrich to convert to Catholicism and was filled wiht the Holy Spirit when he converted two Easter Sundays ago.
In Chicago under Joeseph cardinal Bernadin the catholic population remained constant at 2.25 million and there were 750k new catholic immigrants that moved here.How was his great progressive evangelization program.
I migrated legally to the USA from Costa Rica at age 3, 1963.
Our first parish was our second home and yet it was Italian parish.
Thank G-D for immigration of peoples to the USA; we are not facing Japan's nor the EU's work force decline & we have a younger population that will better support our Social Security Program.
OK but for immigration we would be at 15%.
Amen, Amen for all those who call themselves Catholic and are within the said 15%! OK 15%, keep coming every Sunday; bring family+
Another excellent analysis. Thank you.
JCassian 1 year ago
My grandmother told me that to get to heaven, one must bring at least one convert with you. I am trying to get at least 2 or more to be sure.
Torchdog 1 year ago
The fault is not Vatican II but the progressivism of which the council itself tried to fight against!
TheEcumenator 1 year ago
@TheEcumenator Exactly right! Thank you for saying it.
ljsedivy 1 year ago
I am a "cradle Catholic" born in 1968, so I have wondered how evangelization worked before V-II. I always had the impression that the average Catholic's duty was to "pray (go to Church) pay (collection plate) and shut up."
I got the impression that Catholics were "canon fodder" to Protestant relatives at the family picnic. This leads into why the Mass was converted to the vernacular. Protestants were taking non-believing friends to services. Now we could to. I'm not a "progessive."
sulkow82 1 year ago
@sulkow82 I always had the impression that the average Catholic's duty was to "pray (go to Church) pay (collection plate) and shut up."
They you are wrong - fortunately. Prior to Vatican II Catholics had a good understanding of what their duties were; convert the world to the one true faith.
The Mass in the vernacular is a good thing - but why could people not be taken to the Mass before then? Are we really to think that for 500 years no non-Catholics went to Mass?
RealCatholicTV 1 year ago
Repent! Repent! For the Kingdom of God is at hand.
Always evangelize, always defend the the Faith.
But, remember prayer is to be before all things.
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Alms, Fasting, Prayer.
ammazzamoro 1 year ago
How very sad...
I want to evangelize, and i do ,but often find myself hampered by my own parish, my own parish priest, my fellow Catholics and spend much of my time re-catechizing my own people, but I am also comforted by the Lord's words.....Mt 16:18, "You are Peter and upon this Rock, I will build my Church and the Gates of Hell will not overcome it."
tmrbeste 1 year ago
I am a convert and I assure you, I may not be a good Catholic (praying, devotions etc.) but I am orthodox however. I am not sure how I was evangelised, but it was very gently over a long period of time and God was doing all the work.
Raffzeee 1 year ago
The Pope, needs to draw a line in the sand.
marketwatch101 1 year ago
Thank you for the messages and please keep them coming. I always forward them on.
ebolingUtube 1 year ago
You will be tempted to say, "But what can we do about it? It is a bishop who says this or that. Look, this document comes from the Catechetical Commission or some other official commission."
St. Paul has warned us, "Even if an angel from Heaven came to tell you anything other than what I have taught you, do not listen to him."
This is the secret of true obedience.
KenoCatholic 1 year ago
Modernism is not a recent invention. In 1907, there appeared the famous Encyclical "Pascendi" of Pope Pius X which expounds and condemns the system of Modernism. How many are aware that the Anti-Modernist Oath is now no longer required before becoming a priest or a bishop?? Why are churchmen no longer bound? The Anti-Modernist Oath was abolished in 1967. Clearly, we can see more ill-effects of Vatican II! Prior to this, no young man infected by Modernism errors entered into Holy Orders!
KenoCatholic 1 year ago
Evangelization is still very important. I wish I had evangelized more people to the Catholic faith. I prayed for Newt Gingrich to convert to Catholicism and was filled wiht the Holy Spirit when he converted two Easter Sundays ago.
C35790 1 year ago
In Chicago under Joeseph cardinal Bernadin the catholic population remained constant at 2.25 million and there were 750k new catholic immigrants that moved here.How was his great progressive evangelization program.
brianinheaven 1 year ago
The One True Church!!! Thanks be to GOD
colemanmd 1 year ago
With regrets, many of those joining our Catholic Church, in the U.S., are going through the 'progressive' R.C.I.A. (as you well know.)
It is 'almost' better, if these, well intentioned converts, did not join. (imo).
rjpancerniCAUSA 1 year ago
I migrated legally to the USA from Costa Rica at age 3, 1963.
Our first parish was our second home and yet it was Italian parish.
Thank G-D for immigration of peoples to the USA; we are not facing Japan's nor the EU's work force decline & we have a younger population that will better support our Social Security Program.
OK but for immigration we would be at 15%.
Amen, Amen for all those who call themselves Catholic and are within the said 15%! OK 15%, keep coming every Sunday; bring family+
Hkepfer 1 year ago