"No salt water softeners" don't!

[weslingm]

omnienviro

This link is to a company selling magnetic water conditioners to farmers all over the western US. Their list of positive testamonials is exstensive. Crop photos of berfore and after do not lie.

[Desertphile]

@weslingm ; Yes, and the company is full of shit and the crooks should be in prison for robbing people.

[weslingm]

@Desertphile also large manufacturing companies use magnets to clean the water from their processing lines. It is more of a finnishing technique. It seems magnets arranged in a certain way blasts large molecular clusters apart.

[Desertphile]

@weslingm ; No.

[awc222]

There is a very good reason why these are sold on line. You can't go into their office and demand your money back. No local water treatment dealer will touch these if they want to stay in business. So they are sold on line with clever marketing and shady guarantees.

[joyfulnoise123]

Hopefully you live in a state that regulates water treatment, if so talk to your department of commerce to see what's approved. If you can't prove it works you can't get certified. If you don't live in a state that regulates this, talk to a reputable dealer. See who your neighbors and family use. Oh yeah, salt free softeners do not work.

[jmccullah]

He's right, these so called saltless water softeners don't work....it's a gimick.....shame on Sean Hannity for hawking these worthless things on his radio show. Stick with the tried and true....don't use a reverse osmosis to remove hardness.....wastes entirely too much water. As a water service tech who has serviced virtually every make and model commonly in use, I would recommend a Kenmore or Whirlpool softener that Lowes sells. I would recommend Ecowater , but they are way too expensive!

[airconguy1]

Definetely not buying on of those! We have an old softener we are getting back to working-that will do the job quite ok:) Softener aren't harmful to you anyway

[banditboy6666]

you have no idea at all what you are talking about, do some homework before you post a negative review, and try to drink a little less

[Desertphile]

@banditboy6666 ; If you saw anything incorrect in this video, do feel free to point it out. Thank you in advance.

[TheCaptainLulz]

@banditboy6666 what, noone can disagree with your view, what a pompous egotistical ass you are. It may be shocking to you but you are the asshole in the room here.

[chipsseat1]

Wish the video was longer. I didn't quite get his opinion.

Do these softeners work?

[mkstirn1224]

Thank you for saving me money and time. In this day and age you would think the snake oil sells man would not be able to make a living.

[sandoval10]

You're a little weird looking but information is good.

[whfreed1]

this device is not a water softener but a water conditioner. It does not add anything to the water like a softener adds salt. It changes the water molecules so that there is on scale buildup. No slipery salt feeling like a softener, just water that won't stick to your hot water heater elements, ice maker and faucets and shouer heads. I have one in my house on well water and it works!

[Desertphile]

@whfreed1 ; "It changes the water molecules...."

No, it does not. Water is paramagnetic.

[weslingm]

@Desertphile

it changes the material suspended in the water. Some of these materials are magnetic.

[ricksmith623]

did i detect some hiccups? how many beers did this dude drink?

[WILCOX11B]

I have one of the most state-of-the art models that in fact does work according to one source. It has 3 LED flashing lights. Email me if you'd like to buy one. Order this week and get one free bargain bin boonie cap that will enhance your knowledge about most everything as well. Buy 2 and get one free green dragon stuffed animal.

[WILCOX11B]

After seeing this video you have convinced me to buy one of the clip on types that click on the pipe or wrap around the pipe. Where can I buy one?

[Desertphile]

@WILCOX11B ; "Where can I buy one?"

Unfortunately these worthless devices are readily available from many web sites.

[brmorris75]

This has to be one of the STUPIDEST videos I have ever seen and the guy on this video is just IGNORANT...It's kind of sad to think that Youtube allows this kind of stupidity to take up space on their servers. STUPID...STUPID...STUPID...I would guess that he is a Salt Based Water Softener Salesman.and getting hungry....

[tskippen]

The theory is not to seperate it from the water but to cluster it within the water. You have shown that this theory will and does work. It does not soften the water but it will prevent lime from scaling on the equipment by keeping the minerals in the water not allowing them to seperate from the water. It is opposite theory of the traditional salt water softener Thank you for clearing this up and proving that this product using the sin wave is the true solution to the Hard water issues.

[tskippen]

ok if you really look at the priciple it makes a lot of sense. Water if it is pure will not conduct electricity as the current passes through the water by means of the minerals in the water. The theory of the sin wave will attract the minerals to each other would apply. The fact that you seem to be hung up on the water aspect is the concern, the water is only a means of transportation. The principal on the minerals is there as long as you can seperate it from thinking of changing the water

[Desertphile]

@tskippen ; No. The claims made violate the laws of physics. Paramagnetic material such as soluble minerals are not affected by magnetic fields. These devices do nothing to water; they do not "separate" anything from water. It's a scam. Sorry.

[tskippen]

I agree it does not change the water but the water is not the concern! They will have an effect on the minerals in the water which is the cause of the concern in the first place. Simple science when you think about it. I applaude the people that came up with this technology it deals with the hard water concerns without screwing up our enviroment!!!

[Desertphile]

@tskippen ; "They will have an effect on the minerals in the water ...."

No. Water is paramagnetic. These devices are scams. Damn shame, too, but that's just the way it is.

[tskippen]

ok tell me why you want to soften your water? There are a lot of negatives from softened water! It is taking away from our fresh water resourse by adding salt. Salt also causes corrosion causing appliances to fail prematurely causing more strain on the enviroment. Magnets work but only on a closed looped system with constant flow. The unit using am frequency works by suspending the minerals preventing any scaling plus removing the existing scaling and having it come out the end of the pipe

[Desertphile]

@tskippen ; No. Magnets do not change water. No, RF does not change water. It's a scam.

[jeffpicks]

While I applaud your agenda, I think you should work on your credibility by not looking like a freakazoid on acid! Your appearance suggests that you are way out on the fringe of reality... sorry dude, just the way I see it.

[motalot]

Ask them to prove it chemically. Run corrosion coupons on the water. The proof is in the pudding!

[Desertphile]

@motalot ; They will =NEVER= produce evidence for their claims; they know they cannot. If they were given two containers of water, one of which was subjected to their device, they would be unable to tell which was which.

[TheRottybear]

Thank you for making this video. I went to one of the manufacturer's websites before I saw this video to see how their device worked and I was blown away at how obviously deceptive their advertising was to anybody who knows how water is actually softened.

[broman2235]

it's obvious you've been smoking something....

[BlakiepooTube]

I might believe you if you washed your shirt first. Whatever kind of water your washing machine gets is not what I want to be using.

[TheChantoun]

I guess peyote is still legal...

[wolfgange63]

LOL...Try this again not under the influence of alcoholic beverages.

I dont have anything against the consumption of them , but your clarification would be alot better.

[Desertphile]

@wolfgange63 ; What?

[silverbird58]

point taken , one thing that might interst you is , if they find a way to magnatize the water they may get somewhere, but this field they built around thier pipe would have to be USED right out the end of the wire wrap,. also put a compass to the wire and then to the water .. remember they say they CHANGE THE WATERim betting no way...

[StoicKitty]

You appear to be reviewing a product that you have never tested. And, stop drinking or doing drugs, or whatever it is that you are on.

.

[Desertphile]

@StoicKitty ; These devices do not work. If you were defrauded, file a complaint with the FTC.

[verdemanthe1]

I have a no salt water softener that really works,its just any old wine bottle and copper tube and for just 3 easy payments of $55.55 i'll send you plans and a kit...no im just kidding build a still

[917racer]

None of these electronic devices claim to remove any minerals (i.e., "softening water"). What they claim is to prevent scale build-up, which is the most damaging result of hard water. Do you have any evidence that these devices do not prevent scale build-up? At least one of these companies claim to have documented test results that show a reduction in scale build-up....

[Desertphile]

@917racer *FLUNK!* Shifting the burden of proof. Produce evidence these devices perform the way the crooks who sell them claim they do--- be the first on the planet to do that.

[917racer]

I'd love to be the first on the planet to prove it...but unfortunately many researchers beat me to it. As an example, do a Google search for: The Effectiveness of a magnetic physical water treatment device on scaling in domestic hot-water storage tanks. C. Smith, P Coetzee and J. Meyers. Water SA 29(3) 2003

This is one of many well cited reports (with experimental results) that proves magnetic water treatment technology works. Enjoy the read ! Do I at least get a consolation prize??

[Desertphile]

I read it over five years ago: it is bullshit, written and promoted by crooks who sell these worthless devices. Not written by any scientist, not peer-reviewed, not supported by any evidence.

Try again.

[smasters82]

I install/service water softeners for a living...people nowadays are starting to ask alot about the "no salt" water conditioners, and I tell them the truth. The only time I have come across them is when I am ripping them out and putting traditional water softeners in.

[Desertphile]

Unfortunately the USA Department of Justice does not care about people being robbed.

[fricklas]

Basically, this video is just sarcasm and is completely devoid of content. Don't group all "no-salt" water softeners under the same umbrella (though I'm sure many are just what you're talking about, it would stifle innovation to say there's no other way to remove calcium from drinking water than ion exchange). There's no reason cartridge based systems can't work. What would be useful is is ACTUALLY dissecting one of these units to see what makes them tick -- not just blowing hot air.

[Desertphile]

If you spotted anything in error in this video, by all means please take the time to point it out to me so that I don't repeat the error: odd that you somehow forgot to do that, ain't it?

The electromagnetic "no salt" devices do not soften water; they do noting at all except put money in the pockets of criminals.

[fricklas]

actually, the problem is that you group all "no salt" devices in the same category -- electromagnetic. Not all are (some are chemical, precipitative, etc.). I agree anything that claims to be "no-maintenance" is BS. You've got to put the calcium somewhere once you get it out. Ones with a canister that gets replaced every few weeks or months -- well, at least those are possible.

[Desertphile]

No, I clearly demarcated the methods that work, and the fraudulent claims.

[mongrelchild]

@fricklas Are you an idiot? this should be as obvious as water being wet.

[Paul07901]

Did you ever consider becoming a Boiler Operater? Hey, do get flash floods down there?

[Rescueswimmer85]

what about rain water?

[RyuDarragh]

Fortunately, people who have hard water and have experienced the difference with a salt based or ion exchange based (which still has a replaceable bead tank) know the difference. Those who have been there and got caught in the fraud by buying one of these dunsels can testify they are worthless.

[DustyLions]

When I lived in Ca. A friend and myself actually sold bovine fecal matter to people for FIVE BUCKS a pop!,, We sold hundreds of them before they stopped us.. We gathered, we poked pencil holes lacquered and baked them.. Sold them at the swap meet. . I gotta say NO ONE should drink ANY softened water.. it is VERY bad for you. And the body needs the minerals in the water. Quantum biology 101.

[DustyLions]

LOL I used to work for Rainsoft.. I know how water softeners work.  "cli[p on water softener"?! Haven't seen that one yet. What's next Clap on clap off water softeners?..lol.. Jesus you are good for a laugh aren't you.. we should twist up some sticky icky blue berry cush some time and get baked... PT Barnum said it (or didn't) "There's a sucker born every minute".

[myrdale]

It is all a matter of mass balance.

Mass In = Mass Out + Accumulation - Generation

The only way this device COULD work is if the calcium and other minerals in the water stuck to the pipe. Your pipe would be clogged in no time at all.

[fayevski]

Is that a water softener Fredric is working on in the video 'A Day At The Office for Not So Old Hippy'?

[grotrev]

you talk like a smart arse dickhead

[rich0319726]

more rehash vids about how things do not work, LOL.

[rich0319726]

Rainbud or? Or first word? Cheap text 4 comment for hits :(.

[DonHoraldo]

really should have expected them to remove comments. well hopefully youtube will get off there asses and see that this is a fraud and banns them.

[fonna]

How about those high frequency bug repellents, that supposedly let out a high frequency sound so high that only ants and cockaroaches can hear it.......when you plug them in the wall. I have a feeling that that's a crock of sh!t, too.

[DonHoraldo]

I know it's subjective but I installed 3 in my house and haven't seen an ant in 4 years. this isn't proof that they work but given that we used to be overrun with ants and now we have none I'm inclined to believe that they work.

[DonHoraldo]

edit. just did a search on publications. found that there is evidence against cockroaches and mosquito but preliminary evidence for moths. the moth study shows pretty sizable physiological effects when using a similar but larger device. this all tho doesn't prove the efficacy of the devices at least gives a possible mechanism.

[fonna]

Hmmmm.

Well, all I need is sufficient evidence that they work, and I'll get a few.

Consider yourself evidence #1, simply because I believe you in good "faith". lol

This summer, we got an infestation of what I think were crazy ants.

No natural herbal deterent worked, and poisonous bug spray ,( my last resort) worked.

I just don't want to go around affixiating myself and killing all the other beneficial insects because of these annoying things.

[NotSoOldHippy]

Raisebud? Huh? }:-}

[leila344]

why does water need to be softened anyway?

[transferosome]

Helps stop pipes getting blocked up with crud. Especially small pipes in machines like dishwashers and washing machines.

[hobbitsarecool]

taste?

[anmoose]

P.T. Barnum once said, "There's a sucker born every minute." The man knew whereof he spake.

There will always be an endless supply of suckers, and there will always be scammers leaping at the chance to bleed them for all they're worth. This is a perfect example. People ARE actually buying this crap.

[mobiltec]

We always quote P.T. Barnum when DP debunks a fruadulant product on YT. LOL... GMTA...

My question would be why is it so easy to get people to buy crap that doesn't do shit and if you come up with something that makes sense, nobody wants it?

[anmoose]

Cute... I went right into the post comment box while I was looking directly at the reply link. DUH! Reposting where it belongs:

"My question would be why is it so easy to get people to buy crap that doesn't do shit and if you come up with something that makes sense, nobody wants it?"

Simple answer: People are STUPID. I seriously believe that it's time to purge the gene pool, because somewhere along the line it's gotten BADLY polluted.

[xthequestionmarkguyx]

What's the point. They put crap in are water supply and tells us its safe.

[pfarabee]

There's a sucker born every minute, lmao.

[Seccanzz]

IT DOESN'TTT!!!

[NomadSoul76]

Every time I fly somewhere I end up reading the skymall catalog.. and every time there are some gadgets similar to this advertised within it. Sometimes it's an "oxygenating shower head", sometimes it's something that "aligns" the molecules of the water for some purpose or another.

Unfortunately difficult economic times can actually increase the market for stuff like this. Pseudomedical remedies are an especially bad problem in times like this.

[bloodyrediron]

Wait, Thats a water softner?

Who the fuck would thing that would work?

[RyuDarragh]

Any ions, usually mettalic, make water "hard". There are several methods that soften water. DP just explained how salt based ion exchange water softening works. There is also an electrical method, but it involves a tank and consumable materials. Also one that uses hyper osmosis and membranes to filter out minerals. Note that all real methods of softening water have pros and cons, inline tanks, consumable materials that need replacement and cost money to own and operate. None are simple or free.

[lightmobile]

Awesome. You're like the James Randi of Consumer Reports.

[Wesleyfromindy2]

more like James Randi is the Desertphile of supposedly paranormal acts.

[PoetryRocksAlot]

lol what the heck is your problem with water

[crusaderrabbit60]

That DEPRESSING...

[luc59457]

As for the Canadian Shield, it is primarily formed of metamorphic rocks that are not easily altered. Consequently, the waters of the Ottawa River and the north shore tributaries, which are less mineralized, contain lower levels of major ions: 8.3 mg/L of calcium, 2.1 mg/L of magnesium, 3.0 mg/L of sodium, 0.8 mg/L of potassium, etc. Though poor in major elements, these rivers are rich in iron.

[Airave]

Wow... what a bummer!

Now I have a headache,

better strap on my Magnetic

Head Band!!! It is sooo

Amazingly Awesome

and Cures all Ills! ;D

[luc59457]

iron is another hardness mineral

[xtom1973]

sure its NOT! ;P

(if you mean that stick that you put under the battery: mine didnt work, but it only was a present. i was veeeery disappointed ;)

[luc59457]

indeed, excellent video.

[TheStephenation]

I'd never heard of this fraud before. It strikes me as even more pathetic than the HHO scams.

[xtom1973]

well DP, i know this is a bit off topic.

i actually had two devices to soften normal tap water. i used to heat my water with two immersion heaters for period and the result was that i could descale the heaters with a paper towel instead of chemicals! the devices are just build as what you describe and called "vulcan 1000" and "2000". i would never had tried them if i didnt got them both for 12 euros at a second hand market (unused).

and people say that couldnt work, without trying.

[Relyt22]

My dad has one of those water softeners that uses salt particles or whatever it was that it uses. Those actually work, the change is quite noticeable. It's great for car-washing.

However, I don't see how the electromagnetic crap would work :P

[redtortoise76]

I need to invent one of these devices myself

[ThetaOmega]

and I saqw JML selling something like this... it was selling clip-on permanent magnets! Bullshit!

[ThetaOmega]

Not to mention that if it DID work, (and I say IF, as in a hypothetical alternate-reality where the laws of physics are different) then the ions would have to go somewhere, they're probably accumulate on the inside of the pipe and block it.

[IAmDonar]

I think it is a question of faith. If you believe that it wil work, than it will work

[fullmontycarlo]

P.T. Barnum said it all.

[GetMeThere1]

cont:

Sure, you can donate a couple of electrons to either Ca+2 or Mg +2. If you did that by applying an electrical current to the metal pipe, you would essentially be doing electroplating (but you'd need both an anode and cathode in the water).

But if you did that, you would cause your metal pipe to electroplate with Ca or Mg (instead of scale). Same result. Anyhow, it wouldn't work with PVC, as they claim.

Unless they can show some new chemical or physical process, I vote FRAUD.

[GetMeThere1]

Never heard of this. There is a "related videos" link for "EasyWater." I went to their site, and it appears to be what you're talking about.

1) I can't imgaine how this could possibly work. (more)

2) The unit claims to work by producing an electronic "frequency" (i.e., NOT by using a lot of power). I DO know that, if HIGH POWER is not an issue, you can produce ANY frequency or wave shape you please for a few dollars--not the $1000+ prices these things sell for!

[Desertphile]

Yes, the "EasyWater" device is the one "Freije" used to sell before his name became associated with fraud. Freije has a patent on using a magnet to "condition water." He has changed his "explanation" for how he claims it works, but his new explanations are no more convincing than his previous ones.

[GetMeThere1]

Just ONE of the crimes that the patent office facilitates. The far WORSE crime they facilitate are all the GAZILLIONS of extremely broadly described patents being registered by biotech and Itech companies--in the hopes of "lassoing" an area that hasn't even been developed yet.

Again, I can't think of ANY WAY these things actually COULD work. AND, electronically creating almost ANY frequency/wavefore (at low power) is something that costs about $1.

[Zed1967]

If these devices did work it would mean that Mr Jeff and Mr Caroline Yoke-up would be out of a job.

[blackstonewielder19]

my 2nd year science teacher said that he had a guy at his house trying to sell him a product that cleaned electricity :P

[xtom1973]

you can find such products in the high-end-audio-voodoo market for several thousand dollars. they make the sound "clean" and therefore also the sound of your amplifier and speakers. the irony is, that the people believe in that.

i guess the effect is that you will listen to your music with huge attention like never before, and ooops! suddenly the sound is better... :)

[ChrisJMoor]

I have a fat magnet thingy on the water inlet to my combi boiler. I'm told what it does is alter the shape of calcium carbonate crystals so that they do not stick to the insides of the system. I have very hard water in my area and, indeed, the hot water from my taps runs cloudy, presumably the scale stays in suspension.

So, there are applications for a magnetic coil thingy around pipes, although it would be wrong to say they soften water in any sense.

[farvision]

3:14 negative sodium ions???

[hypothetisch]

There are more ways to soften water though you can just distil it a couple of times

[masticina]

So after HHO they needed another product to sell to idiots. Water softeners..yeah fits the bill.

[tonypiecuzpan]

they were selling it as a preventative measure to lime scale build up. still seems like b.s.

[ChrisJMoor]

Actually, those do work as described - the magnetic field changes the shape of the calcium carbonate crystals as they form, which keeps them from sticking to the insides of the system. However, they do not and cannot reduce hardness (they do not reduce the amount of soap you need to use to make a lather, for example).

[GetMeThere1]

Actually, ChrisJMoor....they don't.

[ChrisJMoor]

You know, I've done some digging. I'm not convinced they do work either. The claims about how they work are made by manufacturers, I cannot find any independent studies. Well I'll be damned, I got scammed!

[Desertphile]

Yeah, I don't know of any chemist or physicist who will say electromagnetic fields will "change the shape of the calcium carbonate crystals." One can use electricity to add or remove electrons in the "hard parts" of water, but one must have electrodes in the water. But hell, I could be completely wrong and I am willing to perform tests. One can buy water testing kits for around USA$13.

[kalsolarUK]

you tell 'em!

[Glacies12]

Next time end by saying "GRAVITY!"...please?

[kingbarneyoflondon]

they are sold in mainstream shops in the UK

[8WholeThing]

The brain is 75% water. Those devices soften that water.

[garytheagnostic]

Phuck soft water. We should be accustomed to our surroundings, especially the water.

[tomfrankly]

i have a salty water softener and i find it worthless. i probably just don't know about the benefits, but all i notice is that it makes it harder to wash soap off my body in the shower.

[jmccullah]

@tomfrankly What you don't realize, sir, is that the soap is off your body. You are so used to hard water, that when you rinse with it, what feel like the soap being gone is actually soap scum ( caused by soap binding with water hardness) sticking to your skin! That's the same stuff that make bathtub rings. When you rinse with soft water, the soap gets rinsed completely off your body...your brain equates the slippery feeling as soapy water. It's not.

[tomfrankly]

@jmccullah Bullshit. Soft water literally doesn't wash soap off as effectively as hard water.

[jmccullah]

@tomfrankly Believe what you will....I know what I'm talking about.

[Orsbore]

Water softener? Except for ice, all the water I've ever come across was soft enough for me.

I guess my palate just isn't very sophisticated :(

[Glacies12]

I know how you feel.

My palate must be a hobo, water is always soft enough for me. Those devices are retarded anyways but this one seems especial retarded.

[TickleExpress]

Damn I wish I didn't have a conscience sometimes... I could make millions! How the bloody hell do those pricks sleep at night!?

[lamnaa]

You took the words out of my mouth. Being evil looks so much fun.

[DonHoraldo]

best thing we can do on youtube is flag them as mas-marketing spam, witch they are.

[NatureLegalized]

get the cages freed up asap, we've got some real criminals to put in them

[NowYerTalkin]

They aren't puting anyone in prison anymore. They are letting people out.

[NowYerTalkin]

A lot of my customers have asked me about these and shown me the brochures and the prices... OUCH!

[Desertphile]

"Freije" was the name being used to sell a worthless device for over $1,000. It is now called "EasyWater." The name "Freije" is the last name of the person who actually got a USA patent for using a permanent magnet to "condition water." The guy just made shit up, but that is very profitable in the USA where nobody in government gives a shit about fraud.

[ravenslaves]

Of course you naysayers would deny the benefits of electro-magnetic-blinky-light water softeners. I put a crystal over my pipes and a pyramid over my faucet to soften the water and realign my sink's chakra. I MAKE THE RULES. I then pour the, now softened, karmicly balanced, water into my gas tank. Where it runs my car. My penis also grew 3 inches overnight, and my hair grew back.

I NEVER LIE. You can download the plans for the pyramid for free, or I can install one that I make for $700.

[Desertphile]

ROTFL! You mimic "electrikride" flawlessly! It must be a divine gift. :-)

[AcanLord]

You CAN find RO devices which get close. But they cost like 400 dollars and have a HUGE rejection rate. and waste a massive amount of water in the process. Even then they still don`t quite accomplish the task completely, unless you attach a deionizer to the machine to produce RO-DI water. Its great for Keeping Coral reef aquariums but i can`t think of a use beyond that.

[cori800888]

I was asked by the US DEPT of Energy contracor, westinghousew with a 5b contract to run Handford nuclear site per year to evaluate a device llke that.....unbelievable idiocy is wall to wall prevelant even at the 'highest' levels

[Desertphile]

The pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly apparently also fell for the scam, big time. I found a web page that says they are suing the seller of the worthless system they purchased.

[GetMeThere1]

HA! That's hilarious. I've been looking around. There are LOTS of videos trying to sell this shit. Eli Lilly should CERTAINLY know better.

Actually, there's also a video from a company/yt user WattsWater that actually MAY have an interesting process (or, it could be a scam also--but it APPEARS to offer an explanation of something that could actually work.) watch?v=9X6fuQApi2g

[Desertphile]

I looked at the web site. It claims: "The system does not use any chemicals. It does not require electricity and it does not waste any water."

SCAM!

[GetMeThere1]

Well, at the end of the video he shows an animation that supposedly describes the process: Water goes through an apparatus filled with tiny spheres which strongly PROMOTE scale to FORM on them, THEN (it claims) water movement causes the bits of scale to break off and pass as a particle--which wouldn't scale).

That, at least, DOES sound somewhat plausible (if unproven, as far as I know). The video specifically DISPARAGES magnet and electric methods.

[GetMeThere1]

To me, the website seems legitimate (which doesn't mean they don't sell ONE hokey thing). The sell all kinds of valves, RO units. They seem to be a plumbing supply place.

The method they describe SOUNDS plausible at first glance (I'm fairly good at spotting bullshit).

The main website is "thescalesolution" d o t c o m

They even supply case studies where their process was shown to work: One is the San Bernadino Sheriff's dept!

[mikemikemofo]

i'll stick with my ion exchange resins, i know they work for sure just like RO.

i've been softening water and testing it as well(then buffering it and lowering its ph) since i began keeping discus in my aquarium in the early 90's.

[GetMeThere1]

Yes, you'll have to. The system advertised doesn't claim to soften water--only to inhibit scale from building up in pipes. What DP is talking about ALSO only claims to do that--but THAT's a scam; this other method seems like it may not be.

But, again, neither method is meant to soften or purify water.

I also used to RO my own water for aquariums way back. Never got into discus though--they're cool.

[PoetryRocksAlot]

Just because they sell other stuff.... doesn't mean it's not a scam.

[mikemikemofo]

like i said, 'i'll stick with my ion exchange resins, i know they work for sure just like RO.'

yes they can sell other stuff but i know for sure that ion exchange resins and RO can lower the permanent hardness of water, not just the carbonate hardness-bet you didn't know there were 2 types of water hardness.

been dealing with this shit for over a decade now. i've got discus in the aquarium, they like permanently softened, buffered, and slightly acidic water.

[a300pilotster]

I would love to see the brains behind this crap, Also, the factory

[rba718]

what is the point of softening water? I mean, what would you use that water for?

[Cyrathil]

My grandparents require their water softened, and usually keep several bags of salt for it because my grandmothers skin is apparently too weak to take the water. For me, it just makes me feel slimy.

[TheStephenation]

In some parts of the world, the water is so hard that it can cause minor problems, particularly scaling and interfering with soaps/detergents. It's probably not something worth worrying about in most places, though.

[isegoria1]

Maybe they should just take one wire from the plug and wrap the bare wire around their plumbing and go take a bath and forget the LED box.

[hydroflowcanada123]

Just a little food for thought for everybody

One time it was said that man would never walk on the moon,

Electronic water conditioners prevent limescale associated problems

one side effect due to the fact that the ions are pulled togeather is that the water react better with soaps etc.

So the whole premis should not to be confused with a salt water softener

and shaky people who live in caves are not qualified to pass judgement

[Desertphile]

@hydroflowcanada123 ; "One time it was said that man would never walk on the moon"

Idiot.