Trinity Doctrine: Why All the Excuse Making?

[MrTruth111]

People this man tells truth, abandon the trinity, repent of it, reject it, stand with Jesus, the man Our God exalted. This is the deal when we leave church and trinity our road with Jesus starts, and we can only cling to jesus, and learn from Him and not from men. He guides in all truth, pray for the gift of wisdom and the gift of truth, the truth will set you free, The Spirit guides in all truth. In dogma is no truth, no life

[Mencel89]

I love the "Assumed Unitarianism" argument.. When they start randomly turning the word God into one of their three persons. I point out that they are ASSUMING Unitarianism TO PROVE Trinitarianism.

[TruthAtlas]

@Mencel89 That is so true! Like at John 1:1 they have to first assume Unitarianism to establish with whom the Word is! I love how they make all these assertions to explain their doctrine such as how the other members are included when one is mentioned in the old testament, but I ask you why do they get to do that? If they can do that why don't they just buy alternate understandings of their "prooftexts?

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@TruthAtlas

Trinitarians believe they can identify God however they like. That is the root of their problem. One moment the one God is the Father, the next it is Jesus, the next it is the Spirit, the next it is the Triune being, and they will even identity the "divine nature", which is supposed to be a "what", as Yahweh the Lord. They lead people to believe that their definition of the one God is fixed when it isn't. Their God changes to suit the occasion.

[TruthAtlas]

@TheTrinityDelusion I think that is the key to understanding how they make their arguments. That should be the first thing to teach someone who is learning about the trinity. I have never received an answer as to what their definition of "God" is because they must change it! Do you know what their best apologetic answer is?

[TruthAtlas]

@TheTrinityDelusion Trinitarians say the Word can't be God if it's only an aspect of Him (therefore they make up another definition, i.e. divine nature), but they do the same thing a thousand times! Jesus is just an aspect of the triune god, but they say he is God. Only Jesus' body died, but they say he died. The fact is that language like this may be rare, but it is still valid.

[seaneire]

You're right the trinity is a false pagan doctrine and has nothing to do with the true Elohim.....furthermore Yahshua is the Almighty Elohim known as Yahweh who manifested in the flesh. Elohim is our Saviour! HalleluYah....

believeing Yahshua was just a man is delusional.

[vassilischr]

Monogenes means only-begottern, only, it does not mean unique.

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@vassilischr

If it means "only begotten" then yes it does necessarily mean unique.

[vassilischr]

@TheTrinityDelusion Being unique is a much broader idea. Some theologians read unique to avoid the birth issue.

[MrTruth111]

Hello, have you found a community that holds your beliefs, I'm looking for one,

the only one I found (in The Netherlands) are the immanuels, Messianic Jews, but I found no other

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@MrTruth111 No, the people of the world have gone after traditions of men.

[BlaqNebula1]

I watched a show called “false gods of our time,” This man is on there proving that God does exist and that's good, but he then talks about the many gods of the Egyptians and other religions not realizing believing God is three in one is no different from the Egyptians Polytheism belief 3 gods in one. Then he makes this out rages claim that Jesus said, I am god, and he proved it by bringing back the dead. What a load of crap. Jesus is who he said he was: The SON of GOD.

[seaneire]

@BlaqNebula1 Yes Elohym manifested in the flesh.

[PaulieRR]

Wow! Amazing video. I stopped believing in the trinity 14 years ago and am still frustrated by the dodges and excuses I see during professional debates, on online forums, and in my one-to-one interaction with trinitarians.... and for exactly the same reasons which you state.

On a side note: I followed the link to your site and I'm familiar with it from a long time ago. I used to be a debater on CARM and I think you might have been a poster there, too. Have I got this right?

[2boddah]

trinitaryian? wow there r so may lables in this day n age

[seaneire]

@2boddah it's not really a label, it just represents people who believe in the polytheistic view that Elohym is 3 persons - which is laughable.