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  • so many lies on the internet and very convincing too now..

    im a christian and thought alex jones was an actual christian yesterday

    no wonder this age of deception is getting so many people trapped into complete nonsense.

    but i felt something wrong and the holy spirit led me here... that i'm very grateful for.

  • Alex Jones is repeatedly on mainstream tv. If the nwo owns all mainstream media, do you really think they would let Jones on "The View" if he wasn't with them? Or David Icke who had a special on the history channel?

  • I have been listening to Alex Jones for awhile and a lot of what he says seems true but I have always wondered why is he still alive if he is blowing the whistle on them? Can someone please tell me what they think about him and if he is to be fully trusted. My gut tells me something may not be right about where his loyalty lies after all he is still alive and has been doing this for a long time. God I don't know what or who the hell to believe any more. Someone help!!!!!!!

  • @EddiefbutlerIII bud many people are in the same boat, my gut also brought me here and i think that these guys are actually here to deceive us and distract us while something else bigger is going on... this is mind rape...

  • Doesn't this video contradict itself...if this video was such a big deal...how the fuck can it be up for so long?

  • please help me understand what you mean when you say "stay balanced"...everything seems to be at it's best when there is a perfect level of balance, but this leads me to worry about good vs evil, is there meant to be a perfect balance between good & evil because honestly i don't think i want there to be a balance there, i would prefer only good but would that unbalance of good over evil in turn have a negative effect?

  • BULLZEYE

    YOU FUCKING NAILED IT.

    One of the ONLY videos on the entire youtube database that speaks the truth.

    This is what i resonate with because i am fully aware of the ultimate truth and THIS has that vibration.

    This kind of information is a threat to them because there are no half truths here, they are almost complete.

  • If a religion promotes DECENCY, KINDNESS, and the true SPIRIT of GIVING that IS what it means to be human--THEN IT IS A GOOD RELIGION...to all you Christians willing to throw all your Pagan, Jewish, VooDoo--and ALL other controversial religions UNDER THE BUS...don't do it. That's what the NWO wants...the truth is that Pagans were THE BEST DOCTORS ON THE PLANET. The good ones. There are good pagans and bad, just like there are good Christians & bad. Judge people by their actions--not words.

  • interesting video, somewhat agreed

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  • David Icke talks about humanity coming together... and stoping wars... Alex Jones talks more about current events... the problem is... you still watch TV... so your constantly being brainwashed to think the oposite...

    "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he didnt exist"

    BUT hes doing even better this time around... hes getting people to work, pay for, and want their own slavery lol... PS David Icke dosent Judge... YOU DO... thats how violence gets started

  • you dont make much of an argument with this video... and the fact that many comments have been REMOVED... id say its pretty clear there is sensoring of opinions on this vid... try harder...

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  • Every video that's on the side bar will be addressed soon!!!

  • We will respond to ever video you posted!!! & then some!!!

  • You fall right into the category, & will prove it in a few moments!!!

  • So the question is: Did the CIA/gov't lie about 9/11 to get us into iraq and now pakistan, or are they lying now by trying to convince us they are lying about 9/11? ......

  • Manly P.. Hall taught a class on Mars with Bob Lazar in 1982. We remote viewed Ed Dames, who was working for Ron Jeremy selling gold to Alex Jones. It's all related. Charlie Sheen is from the moon.

  • @zoetropez76 & were the hell do you think I'm from, huh!!!

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  • @zoetropez76 I'll prove anything I talk about, & YOU WILL SEE THAT SOON!!!

  • @lifeendsoon Have we not all eaten the jinn? Do not procede to explain to me jinn, but do tell where it is they come from.

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  • Yeah maybe the elite's new world order agenda of secularism may work on Jews, Christians and Hindus but their lies, deception and trickery won't work with Muslims. The Bible has clearly been infiltrated and corrupted, so to further deceive Christians into thinking Jesus was just a symbol wouldn't be hard. Besides Paul did most of the work anyway, it's not like Christians actually practice their religion, they are very secular anyway, However the Quran is free from corruption.

  • dude people like alex jones is everything Bill Hicks stood up against ...dude I don't think Bill Hicks went backwards ...and yes I know that is hard for some to understand when their mind is locked ... good luck dear

  • Anytime I see these sort of posts I think, "Wow! How the religions are failing." We are not simple sheep anymore, we have a deeper understanding of not only faith, spirituality and religion but of how they are used to control and manipulate the masses for the ZIONIST agenda. Keep swinging though!

  • Yes, I somewhat agree, I already thought about what you are saying in this video. Perhaps you could list the DISINFORMATION, or give a few examples. Like Icke and the Lizard shapeshifters for example, pure bullshit! Can you name some of Alex Jones lies? Perhaps some lies from Jordan Maxwell? Why is Jordan Maxwell not on major TV networks? Why is not David Icke or Alex for that matter? I found some things wrong with Jordan's teachings, but he was close, mistake or intentional? Peace! Truthiracy

  • the second i found out this was promoting jesus i fkn clicked out what a fkn waste of time.... i cant even believe people who try to keep it alive..

  • @PeaceLoveMeth Rev 17 is being played out now though.

  • Very good vid! Guys read the Bible, there's the truth that you are seeking.

  • Triplexity, that was poor. Way before I discovered any kind of of conspiracy theory and take it with a pinch of salt, I ha

    d already realised that the bible is the most vile, disgusting, anti-human, insidious, twisted, evil collection of utter lies ever to be conceived.

  • gr8 vid bro

  • Cooper was talking for many years, even a long time after he was warned before he was killed so Alex Jones could go the same way.

  • @NearDark87

    Cooper was/is as fake as Jones is/was; Cooper = now Jordan Maxwell, Jones = formerly Bill Hicks

  • @icke11234 ..alex jones is NOT bill hicks you imbecile !!

  • @914light

    Calling me imbecile doesn't make it any better LOOOOL

  • @icke11234 ..ok I,m sorry I called you a name ...: (

    but I love Bill Hicks ...and I felt you disrespected him by comparing him to jones ...

    Bill Hicks was the man

    jones is NOT !!

  • @914light

    I know it is hurtful to see cherished certainties unravel before your very eyes. We are all of us going through this process in one way or another.

  • All the bullshit from this video is slowing down my computer

  • What is the name of the fucking idiot that said that the 911 truth movement was created by "the same people that attacked us on 911"??? God people get so fucking retarded with conspiracy theories...morons should not look into things that they are physically incapable of understanding due to not having an I.Q. higher than 85

  • @UnshackledMind86 Dumb american kid get off the TV and hamburgers and use your fucking brain!(If you still have one)

  • @UnshackledMind86 lol i agree haha

  • Yawn. This info is disinfo. Nobody needs the teachings of christ to realize that hurting people is wrong. I'm not saying that the teachings of christ must be stopped but I will say that this kind of religious fundamentalism (fear of the secular) is some of the most destructive dogmatic superstitious propaganda out there.

  • @morbly You hit the nail directly on the head.

  • @morbly I concur

  • Anyone know what the audio/video at 8:00 is from?

  • @TSMultimediaTS Not sure, but the guy talking @ 8:00 is a fucking retard

  • This whole thing is getting tiresome. Roll on death.

  • @grimscarpious it is getting tiresome but its going to heat up very soon hang in there people are going to need you!!

  • It's so interesting that my laptop disconnected itself completely from my WiFi network less than 2 minutes into this video. That's NEVER happened before lol!

  • The Zeitgeist movement is guided by Freemasonry either spiritually and thus we have the Vatican connected in to this since The Society of [the false] Jesus [Horus] or simply the Jesuit Order (Jesuit means deceptive) revived Freemasonry in 1717 and wrote the first twenty-five degrees of freemasonry in the College of Claremont. Later when they were protected by Frederick the Great during their suppression,they wrote the last eight degrees ,set up the supreme council of thirty-third degree

  • all youv said so far is that they are trying to stop people from being religeous, so s this another bbullshit thing totry and make people join religeons cos i dont need religeon i know what love is and i challenge you to proove that any different cos i know you cant its all opinion you havent given any answers as to what to do so as far as i can see your just as bad as these dissinfo agents and could possible be one

  • Right one thing is though i believe in love i believe in that there could of possibly been someone called jesus that was a nice guy but the thing is they could well of made or highgly influenced religeon i mean its a matter of opinion i get told i should know that prophet muhammed is the only truth but i also get told that jesus is the truth so your really mixing things up now by saying all this and i don't understand what your answe3r is so far all youv said is that they turning people secular

  • @mattsk89 ALL religion is mind control - it is all for a purpose to divide, cause wars and to make you feel like a God is judging your every move ,so u remain a good compliant slave..

  • Right one thing is though i believe in love i believe in that there could of possibly been someone called jesus that was a nice guy but the thing is they could well of made or highgly influenced religeon i mean its a matter of opinion i get told i should know that prophet muhammed is the only truth but i also get told that jesus is the truth so your really mixing things up now by saying all this and i don't understand what your answe3r is so far all youv said is that they turning people secular

  • How can anyone proove that Jesus chose to call his ways a religeon?

  • @lazaros001 Thanks for your reply. There are many things which must be considered before killing someone. If your own position is secure then its a moot point, but if not, it could bring a host of problems upon you. Perhaps you are right. I don't agree with Alex on every issue but he certainly knows what's going on around him. Yes, what he offers can be checked and verified because he does give his sources. I've lived a long life and I know how far America has fallen. He speaks the truth.

  • I believe in God. The Bible is untrustworthy to me for I do not know if all the Teachings of Christ are in it and failed to see him point out that the God and the LORD God are different beings entirely. (I expect flack from the Religious that believe in the Holy Trinity but for even that to hold up you have to show me consistency & I can show you the Diff. in the Book itself.) Sumer and DNA Tampering shows only more proof of Manipulation but then Who is their Creator!

  • it had the oppisite effect on me .it led me to the teachings of jesus or what ever hes called and i live my life to the values he tuaght ,,but it all traps in traps in traps within traps no one knows whats the truth anymore we know some truth but not thee truth even the initiated have lost track so were doomed to this revolution that keeps us going in circles ,history is reapeating its self cos humans arent learning from our mistakes ,its just all about power and control not commpassion and love

  • Icke abd alex jones are illuminati agents.great video Trip

  • Rubbish! Talk about disinformation, mixing fact with fiction. And I think that ridding the world of religion (including Satanism) is the only way that humanity will ever have a chance to live together in love and peace.

    Alex Jones is still alive because killing him would be foolish. Millions of armed Americans would unite in revolt and the NWO's plans to dominate this country through stealth and deception would be ruined.

  • So then - why are you and this channel still alive? ^__~

  • more disinfo on disinfo haha classic disinfo but you shpould all watch the 4 hour rik clay interview they talk about its pretty cool stuff.

  • Jesuits control the Zionists

  • When i saw this i just lost alot of trust for david icke, but i still dont know who to trust, its not alex, or peter, but who?

  • "I am the way, the truth and the life"- Jesus

  • hamza yusuf is the MAN

  • Video is paranoid crap.

  • there is a true church on the earth,,, Heavenly Father has a "Duty of Care" to provide a way out of this deception the devil created

  • Freemasons, Jesuits, Bavarian Illuminati, Communism,CFR, Zionism, Central Banking, Government, Media, Industry, International Drug Trade, ADL, Feminism, Multiculturalism, Military Industrial Complex, Militant Atheism, False Flag Terror, Shill groups like We Are Change, Bilderberg, Trilaterals, New Age, Globalism...on ....and at the Heart, is the Jew. I've been down so many dead ends with this shit, and finally i have to state what really we all know and won't admit, It has always been the Jews.

  • I love what you have done here. I love Rick Clay and Jonathan Adampants.  Absolutely brilliant upload! <3

  • oops.....if too much ergot.....how much is is too much?

  • Here is is the rational. If to much makes one absolutly mad, then small amounts will make you slightly mad. That small amounts of ergot will have no effect on the brain is is completely illogical.

  • And they (TPTB) attempt to control our minds by putting us in an alternate, or false, reality, while they play their little games. And they do this by making sure we consume clavaceps purpurea, aka ergot fungi. It's in your sacred bread. But they keep it low dosage, to prevent full blown ignis sacer, or "St. Anthony's Fire."

  • This has been a favorite vid for about a year. The reason TPTB think so many moves ahead in the chess game of life is simple. They travel back through time to manipulate the future. But, you say, "No one can travel back in time!" And I say, "No, not yet." or "How do you know?"

  • noone has ever been able to post one lie alex jones has ever told however i am skeptical when it comes to jones because I know the illuminati killed cooper and then jones got big thats the ritual of the replacement of the kings,,,just like jayz and tupac,,,dont ever commit violence,,,dont ever let them rile you up

  • @candiceevans1 My favourite Alex Jones lie is that "Arabs control Hollywood"...check that one out. Jones is a shill for the Jews, he is there to make sure 9/11 truthers are whipped into a frenzy, portrayed as ranting and raving lunatics, whilst never allowing the American people to see who is pulling the strings. It is, and always has been the Jews. Watch 9/11 Missing Links for irrefutable proof Mossad perpetrated the attacks on the World Trade Centre.

  • Yes I think this video is only creating more confusion.

  • Truthers believe we have a spirit. How do u think reincarnation happens? We are eternal beings! Truthers are against the NWO. Truthers are always seeking truth and of all people I know, are the most reluctant to commit to believing anything. Yes confusion is everywhere but to say Alex Jones and David Icke are intentionally trying to lead anyone astray is preposterous. They admit to making mistakes and certainly I have seen them correct themselves

  • This video is disinformation.

  • Good vid ! I do believe there are some 'disinformation agent's'......I also believe it wise to be careful about judging some of our sources because they haven't been killed. Yes, historically that's been done, but the illuminati is realizing that we're waking up more and more.......they know if they kill all loud mouth sources, it'll be too obvious. They're adapting.  As Jesus said, "careful, all men could be liars". (paraphrased)

  • Excuse me you are from satan too. Vatican II is satanic. Inquisition was defending the civilization.

  • WHAT IF THIS VIDEO IS A DISINFORMANT?? WHO CAN WE TRUST?? :(

  • @Rainbowtardiful YA I KNOW... WTF?

    

  • @Rainbowtardiful

    You can't trust anyone. Just take care of yourself and enjoy your life the best way you can. Who gives a fuck about 'humanity', most of them are assholes anyway. You don't need to do anything. Polar bears aren't doing anything to stop their habitat from melting away. None of us give a shit about the polar bears and the polar bears don't give a shit about us.

  • @ocarina2boy I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

  • Anyone who fails to mention that the VATICAN is behind these atrocities are clearly JESUIT DISINFO AGENTS

  • @slicvic2012 Amen

  • These videos are a waste of time. If people fall for the false info that is brought out by the leaders of the truth movement then they need to learn to discern better and employ their feelings. And just because the info is false doesn't mean it is purposefully so. The best thing to do is not to try and expose people causing rifts but to come up with a plan of action to better our lives. Working on ourselves in all facets is the best way to fight the nwo. Look in the mirror and tackle the shadow.

  • @wthf5 Well put!

  • bullshit get a live

  • if you knew who was behind Icke and the ICKE forums you wouldnt be suprised. Cooper warned us about these shills like Icke

  • who is the guy talking in this video? whats his name? about chess ect...

  • youtube.com/watch?v=9a8J_uPLHX­A

  • @saintanarchy3,

    You brought it up my friend. I read things that are fascinating also, but I don't use them as counterpoints to try and disprove something that has already been historically verified. There is an unlimited amount of disinformation and misinformation in the world. The key is finding the truth among so much refuse. I'm not against freedom of speech, I'm against propaganda in all its many forms. The current attack on the Messiah is just a rehashing of failed arguments used...

  • ...a century ago. Instead of reading the works of failed scholars why not research the work of people who are actually competent in their fields of study? There is plenty of solid scholarship available on the subject so it shouldn't be too difficult for you to find it. I tend to check out both sides of an argument before making up my mind in regards to what is true or not. The Scriptures have been verified many times over through archaeology and other scientific means of study.

  • @saintanarchy3,

    If you really want to believe that mushrooms are behind the Gospel then that's your business. But there is no proof of that being the case at all. You're bringing up a video to support this book? I admit I haven't read the book but you don't have to read or research everything to know whether it is bullshit or not.

  • @Greyswyndir Greyswyndir....? Have YOU had psychedelic experience with magic mushrooms?

  • @saintanarchy3 Yes true, ESPECIALLY the actual experiences!

  • @saintanarchy3,

    It's all about context. You also have to have a deep understanding of what you're reading. You can't just flip open the Bible and read it without understanding specific theological concepts. You can't understand it if you don't understand the customs and the way people thought back then either. It takes many years just to begin to understand the Scriptures. The people who unjustly criticize the Bible are usually the people who know the least about it.

  • ...It's a collection of writings dating back to almost 5000 years ago. You can't expect to understand all of its complexities and mysteries simply by reading it. It must be studied and researched and critically examined. What seem like contradictions on the surface are usually paradoxes and can be solved. I don't claim to understand all of the complexities myself. I've come to realize that what I may not understand today I will eventually understand at some point the future. It's not let me down

  • @saintanarchy3,

    First off, don't believe people who tell you what Christianity says or means, read and study the Scriptures to find out for yourself. Secondly, study the concept of hell and you'll find it is much different then what is taught in mainstream Christianity. Thirdly, the same is true concerning judgment. Why did God love Abraham? There are different degrees of judgment. The Creator will judge people fairly. People know the difference between right and wrong instinctively.

  • Makes alot of sense I think the fake Osama shit was a warmup ! Millions believed it !

  • so.... why should you not be disinfo-dudes? whos talking 2:13 ??

  • 2PAC was killed too.

  • @piraat6666 2Pac was a gang-banging punk and member of the nation of Islam who reaped the fruit of what he sowed.

  • well this video got me 4 fights , i wonder how many more ...

  • what a load

  • I DONT BELEAVE IN ANY GOD, BUT I DONT BELEAVE IN HATE EATHER I THINK ALL MANKIND SHOULD COME TOGETHER TO MAKE IT A CLEAN WORLD WHERE NO MAN WOMAN OR CHILD GOES HUNGRY. A WORLD WITH OUT DIRTY AIR,WATER,FOOD,ECT,ECT. A WORLD THAT IS COLOR BLIND, WE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF EARTH. I JUST WANT A FREE WORLD WITH OUT HATE, WHAT DO I KNOW JUST A DUMB CRACKER WHO CANT SPELL. LOL. PEACE TOO ALL.

  • I agree with some of what you say, especially the David Icke bit, but I think you miss a CRUCIAL point which it seems most of the conspiracy theorists do. it is not your 'God' or his 'God' the occultist elite are against. It is against the Goddess and nature!!

    An example---Icke who is either a shill or a usefull-idiot (for the elite) completely triwes to undermine the essence of ancient Goddess lunar mythos by trying to make out the very moon is some kind of alien hide out mindcontrolling us!

  • @zezt 2--so there we can see an attack on Goddess religion. Who else attacks Goddess religion? Why, the very Bible, and the Koran, and ALl the patriarchal religions and philosophies, and science (which denies spiritual matter) and 'education' AND of course the 'hidden' occultist elite who seem to take great sadistic pleasure in dividing community, harming and killing animals, causing massive extinction, torture, genocide, and polluting the whole of MOTHER Earth!! C L U E S!!!

  • @zezt No their attack is against God. The one and only God, Lord of all the Worlds. They willingly chose to side with Satan and his minions against God. Satan defiantly proclaimed to God when he is cast down, that he will devote his time to corrupting the souls of humans especially through sorcery. How could one willingly side with the devil and follow his orders? The same way one can willingly stab the stomach of a pregnant woman, or throw puppies from a cliff, or orders the bombing of villages

  • @amilitarymind oh. Is this the same 'God' who 'himself' was a warmonger and told his 'chosen people' to go and kill whole villages, etc as it is writ in your Bible? So whats difference between him and what your against?

  • @zezt,

    Research the topic for yourself. You'll find out the people inhabiting the land were not your normal, average, everyday human beings. What was the report brought back by Joshua and Caleb? That the people inhabiting the land were of Nephilim blood. Cannibals, evil creatures.

  • @Greyswyndir oh right and you believe the Bible literally dont you?

  • @zezt,

    It depends on the context. Some verses are literal, others are allegory, and others symbolic. The context is what dictates the correct interpretation. Overall, yes, I do take it literally. When dealing with eschatology and interpretation context is always the deciding factor.

  • @Greyswyndir Have you read The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross?

  • @zezt,

    I've heard of it but no, I haven't read it. I imagine it's the normal fair of propaganda used to fool people into believing Christianity is a fairy tale. I watched a BBC show concerning John the Apostle. The shoe posited that John was eating mushrooms and that's how he came up with the book of Revelation. The problem is it was based on pure speculation. But go ahead, I'm willing to listen to what you have to say.

  • @Greyswyndir There is no evidence of a real Jesus of Nazareth who is the actual Son of God, it IS mythology pretending to be history. When mythos tries to be history it totally misses the point.

  • @zezt,

    Yes, there is plenty of real evidence. If you accept that Alexander the great was historical figure then you cannot deny that Jesus Christ was also. We have independent historians accounts that back up the gospels. We have a historically accurate account through the gospels themselves that withstood extreme scientific scrutiny. If you want to deny the historicity of the Gospels personally that's your business, going around refuting historical fact without evidence is another.

  • @Greyswyndir all you have just done friend is spout a series of words that mean nothing. They are NOT evidence. And look, you are missing the essential point. It goes like this--REAL mythos is NOT history. Real mythos is about YOU and your experience in relationship with nature, not about some super hero of the past. That is to absurd. This is why i cannot STAND Christians. The trouble this cult has caused doesn't bear fukin thinking about!

  • @zezt,

    I haven't "spouted" anything nor have I offered proof, only my understanding of the issue. You continue to act like a fanatic and make foolish assumptions and statements that have no relation to the truth. Calling the Scriptures "Myth" is incorrect considering their veracity has been verified over and over using science. You cannot stand Christians because you have been brainwashed to hate them. Christianity is not responsible for all of the world's ills...

  • ...Learn how to differentiate between what is spiritual and what is controlled by the temporal powers of this earth. We have a verified death count of 50 million people murdered under Stalin's "Atheistic" rule, mostly Christian people. The Catholic Church killed millions of Christians in the name of Christ, try and figure that one out. Evil men have used everything from religion to science to control and dominate people. It doesn't falsify the Scriptures it just establishes that evil men rule.

  • @Greyswyndir Inherent in the Christian message is exactly what you are here trying to 'prove' to me is science--their absolute historical truth. And from there contradict yourself by pretending that assertion is somehow different from the Catholic or Protestant assertion which caused the death of Christians. YES because your very 'myth' is divisive and based on demonizing an 'other'

    As for atheism, it is the flipside of thesis. like two peas in a pod.

  • @Greyswyndir you keep saying there is proof but dont say what it is. WHAT science verifies them?? The Gospels weren't even written by who it is claimed.

    But like I say this is besides the point actually, becase EVN if by some whim you proved them historical, that aint the real meaning of myth. When indigenous people told tales round the fire which were full of wisdom they weren't meant to be actual history in linear time.

    IO haven't been 'brainwashed' I see the danger of you with your 'rightness

  • @zezt,

    Read the book of Joshua, The New Testament account of the crucifixion, events that happened that we can confirm through the science of astronomy. Your argument on myth is a red herring, it has nothing to do with what we were discussing. The events of the New Testament are historical, not mythical. By some whim? I think not, you really need to read something other then the tripe you have been reading. People like Jordan Maxwell and Zeitgeist producer Peter Joseph are pseudo intellectuals

  • ...and pseudo scholars, basing their beliefs on the unhistorical and twisted accounts of Helena Blavatsky. You mistake Catholicism with Christianity, one of the many errors you've already made. I have no idea why you would bring up Protestantism when you don't even understand it, historically or theologically. There is no contradiction, only your refusal to research real history. Atheism is not the flip side of thesis you ignorant ass, antithesis is! Please, crack open a book and learn something

  • @Greyswyndir Like I said, I QUESTIOn New Age and Blavatsky is big freakin mama of the new age. so your preachin to the wrong dude--makin more of a fool of yerself (bitchslap ;)) Now answer me this: DO you believe like CATHOLICS beinve that Jesus was the Son of God who was Crucified and Resurrected? Yes or No? If Yes, what difference are you pretending...? and errrrm "you ignorant ass"...???..Oh right, so your one of the turn the other cheek original christians huh? autograph please? WOW!

  • @zezt,

    If I assumed too much then I apologize, but your rhetoric is woven from the same thread so I'm not very far off from the truth. Your assessment of the Catholic hierarchy is incorrect. They do not in fact believe that at all. Their exoteric teachings even confirm this by elevating Mary to the status of redemtrix, replacing the Messiah's role as Savoir of the world. The differences are legion and it surprises me that you are unfamiliar with them...

  • ...As for your hypocritical and twisted use of "turn the other cheek", why should I even respond to it? Only to show that you have no understanding of the Scriptures or the teachings of the Messiah? I'm not a smart-ass nor am I fool in the grain in which you used the term, another borrowing of the Christianity you hate so much, very revealing. Many like yourself use verses they do not understand to discredit their Christian adversaries but it is a pathetic attempt to strengthen an otherwise...

  • ...weak apologist attitude against Christianity. Maybe you should use your time wisely and research the Catholic church? A good place to start would be the vestments the Pope wears. Why does he sport an iron cross, why all of the sun symbology and Dagon fish metre? Why did the Catholic church chose the 25th of December to celebrate the Messiah's birth? None of these things can be found in the Scriptures so why does the Church use them? Everything the Catholic church stands for is in opposition..

  • ...to the Scriptures and the true Gospel of Yahushua. They are usurpers and liars, they co-opted the Messiah's teachings and the sacred writings and turned everything on its head. Any and all dissenters were murdered, especially those who believed in Solo Scriptura, the Bible as the only true authority, and the Bible alone. Look at all of the many pagan rituals, celebrations, and "holy" rites the church practices, study those and it becomes clear what Catholicism truly represents...

  • ...As for me, yes, I completely know that Yahushua Messiah is the Son of YHWH, was crucified by the Sanhedrin, spent three days in the bowls of the earth and rose by the hand of YHWH, as prove that our redemption draws nigh. I both believe it and know it. Some Catholics believe the same thing, good for them, I'm glad. I never condemned the Catholic laity, only the hierarchy, and not all of the hierarchy, only those working for evil and deceiving millions. I wouldn't call myself a Protestant...

  • ...either. In order to be a Protestant there would have to be a Protestant movement and true Protestantism died long ago. I'm one of those heretics that believes the church is in apostasy and that the perfect Gospel will be preached to all the earth during the Tribulation. I'm specifically talking about the 144,000 prophets, the elect of YHWH, that will be made up of every tribe, nation, creed, and tongue. Some of them will be Muslim, others will be Jews, some New Agers, etc. I could be wrong.

  • @Greyswyndir so you consider yourself a heretic--which means 'one who chooses'. Now where did you get that info you mention from. Surely the Bible, no?

  • @Greyswyndir HOW can you 'completely know that'? You are not a protestant you say? What ARE you. there--thers two questions.

  • @Greyswyndir SDo you nhate paganism and put 'paganism' all into one category? is that it. Where are you getting your 'real christian belief' from? What book. You claim it is not chrictian to accept the bible as the sole authority. so where are you going for your 'true authority''---whose the AUTHOR you believe IN?

  • @Greyswyndir well errr where pray are YOU gettin the real deal ABOUT your faith, because it is apparent you are a total literalist and thus DEPEND ON the Bible--the same one the catilks read right? So where you got all this 'real deal' on what the belief' really means' then? Name me the book you rely on. wheres you getting your info from that tells you all the other christians are wrong? Hey smart ass?

  • @Greyswyndir Oh nooo only great YOU knows what you belief system means, everuyone else is wrong. even sholars like Allergro who could read ancient languages and was a philologist and was chosen to be a team to study the Dead Sea Scrolls. But youuu know it all dont you? yeahhh riiiight. weee beliiieve you, dont we folks??

  • @Greyswyndir Again you pre-sume. I am not interested in the catholic chruch's 'extoria'--I am asking what is the accepted faith. Is it not that Jesus is the son of god who is crucified and then ressurected? Isn't this what its mass of catholic believers believe? It is right. So ...what are you trying to claim?

    As for your begrduging Mary. Oh my god, how TYPICAL you--A christian--would begrudge a sacred feminine. EVEN your hated catholics at LEAST do a little of that, though cast out

  • @zezt 2--other aspects of the Great Goddess their belief system suppresses.

    But man, you are just the same as the ones you point the finger at. lol it is the pot callin the kettle black!

  • @Greyswyndir I dont read them smartarse. In fact I distrust much of the New Age also. My personal thing is gettin real, and man you are makin me suffer fools badly. READ John Allegro The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross and you will find what connects 'Jesus' with 'Dionysos' and other 'god men' in other MYTHS is not ONE of em goin history on us, but the deeper meaning that they represented mind-altering vegetation!! yeahhh

  • @zezt,

    Also, myths tend to be rooted in reality, over time they develop and morph into fantastic tales. There have been studies done specifically on the development of Christianity as it pertains to myth and legends and the results proved that the Gospels did not develop in such a way. The Gnostic writings which came later, adhere to the formula of how myths and legends form, the original gospels have nothing in common with these writings and have been verified in many different ways.

  • @Greyswyndir Oh they have a lot in common. Actually Orphism influenced Christianity--Google From Orphism to Gnosticism.

    All these beliefs Orphism, Christianity, Gnosticism all view nature as a trap. For Christians it is the realm of the 'Prince of Darkness' and 'his' 'demons'. Hence they persecuted Wise Women who knew the plants, including sacred enthogenic plants, and other mind-altering plants which would help the spiritual interelating with sacred nature. But YOUR boys demonize that!!

  • @zezt,

    The Gnostic cults were just an extension of the mystery religions and have nothing to do with historical first century Christianity. Christianity does not teach asceticism, the Gnostics do. Again, true Christians who adhere to no man-made religions do not persecute anyone. If you were familiar with the teachings of Yahushua you would know that but you aren't. I have no "boys" nor do I belong to any organized branch of people who call themselves Christians, when in reality they teach...

  • ...the traditions of men, not the natural laws of the Creator. In your hatred of Christianity you've stopped yourself from thinking critically, especially concerning Christianity. You demonize what you do not understand. I wonder how much experience you have with mushrooms and peyote and other related organics? I've hung around Indian people, participated in their ceremonies, eaten their sacred organics. I know more then you will ever know on the topic because I've lived it. Your ignorance...

  • ...is astounding.

  • @Greyswyndir Oh so now I am demonizing the demon-izers am i because i challenge your beliefs. But your wrong, i do not share your worldview of heaven hell angels and demons good versus evil in same way you do, so it is different. OK here i see you claim to HAVE eat 'sacred organics' and YET cannot seem to connect the dots that 'Jesus' WAS a sacred organic? How so. what is preventing you thiis insight?

  • @Greyswyndir HAHAHAH, everyone listen to this dude! "The Christians do not persecute anyone" Oh fuck this is too funny.

    I see, is that so. So you rewrite history. all you have to claim is 'dud they aren't real christians' --right so see what you done oh 'real christian' you just do what your NOW 'enemy christians did/do' you DEOMINIZE them. that is your belief systems middle name-demonization. you DOING it. why cant you see this? because you are typcial hypocrite. that belief breeds this!

  • @zezt,

    Research the topic for yourself. You'll find out the people inhabiting the land were not your normal, average, everyday human beings. What was the report brought back by Joshua and Caleb? That the people inhabiting the land were of Nephilim blood. Cannibals, evil creatures, sacrificing their own children to Moloch.

  • @amilitarymind

    its not an attack on god u fucking retard there is no god