@1Alino hah. you can try. fighters train themselves to take a beating, and i dont think you would be able to do anything besides choke till you sleep when he gets that on you.
you notice on every video there some fagget trying to talk shit LOL, always thinkin he knows it all and has to tell you, you did something wrong to feel good in life. What a bitch. Those are the fat losers who cant do none of this shit and would get fucked up in a fight quick.
why are people arguing that this isnt done right? if you are choking someone in a street fight, odds are, they wont be thinking too straight and they prolly wont know how to counter it, but i know where alot of people are coming from. anyone wanna tell me otherwise? please do, i wanna learn more of this stuff so i can fight better. thanks everyone
Nami Juji Jime is stronger with your palm down. Also grab a scrunch of gi either side instead of hunting collar. If your hands or thumb are partly trapped inside the gi and your arms extended you make an armlock counter an easier option. Nice though.
Guys- these techniques were taught to me years ago from Royce Gracie himself. Keep in mind that these are JIU-JITSU techniques, not MMA. These can be adapted to street fight/self defense but it depends on the situation, what the opponent is wearing, etc. My advice is: try a technique in different situations with ur sparring partners, then ull know if the shit works in that particlar situation. Dont take every BJJ move as MMA gospel. -Don Daly
Polo works like a fuckin charm. Everyone is essentially wearing a one or two time use gi on the street man. Unless your scrappin with some jersey shore fucker hahahaha
You could MAYBE pull off this GI CHOKE on someone wearing a thick jacket but I probably wouldnt try it. This is a GI choke for all those posting how this wouldn't work in MMA- it is a choke designed to use your opponents GI, so no GI = no GI CHOKE
what he s teaching is chokes for BJJ-you can adopt it for street if in a position to do so-adding blinding strikes or hitting throat with side of hand first for street-never say something will not work as it can and will-whitewolf
@gurumark agreed...all your opponent needs to do is grab/hold the back of your elbows to prevent them from flairing out and there's no choke...it wouldn't be comfortable, but no nighty-night...it's all in the wrist position during the choke that sends ur opponent to la-la land...
@clavin2007 That's not true. The point of your bent wrist puts pressure on the carotids. If you open your elbows as demonstrated, its very easy to push the elbows back down and defeat the choke. I'm a blue belt, trained by Jean Jacques Machado, himself.
@gurumark right on dude i wasnt trying to come off as rude hope i didnt ...ive been studying for martial arts for over 10 years not Jujitsu but the korean arts Hapkido and taekwondo im looking into jujitsu ... which i no nothing about... it just looked to me that the move worked by the leverage from bending the elbows thanks for the insight jujitsu looks like a very fun art ...
Sorry , dont know much about this but couldn`t the dude on top throw down some big punches while you attempt this? No disrespect intended , I know ju jitsu guys win lots of MMA tournements
nobody taps in a streetfight, but people will sleep in a street fight if you got em in a good choke longer than 14 seconds... if you dont let theyll die .... chokes are more dangerous than punches and should not be known by agressiv ppl or bullys
you and dillonx1x have good points. if they have long sleeve shirts or anything thats good. and if you make them sleep then you stopped the fight without fucking them up too much.
The choke i feel helps instill the idea that its good to keep your opponent broken down in your guard. Most people are wearing clothes when they are fighting. its not like everyone walks around in wrestler shoes, board shorts and no tee.
From my experience, I once got into a fight with some idiot at a Judo dojo a while back. The guy really wanted to kill me, but he wasn't able to get one punch in on me because I was grabbing his gi and controlling his posture from my guard. Think about it, learning this gi stuff might save your life when you use an attacker's jacket or winter coat against him.
@samluke8121 The guy was just a jerk and a very emotional unstable person who got upset over the stupidest things and the guys at the dojo sort of encouraged his dysfunctional behavior. Yes, this dojo was very traditional.
@SakoYo what if he has no shirt dip shit...just go for simple chokes and locks...thats all you need if you start getting to fancy and dont get it that when you look like a fool.
@rotciv2020 Learning the more intricate gi game is not going to make your simpler no-gi game weaker, the same way learning algebra is not going to weaken your arthimetics. If a gi guy can't do the simple chokes or locks, than he does not have a strong foundation to begin with and would probably suffer in gi competition too.
@SakoYo You answered my question. As I was watching the video, I was wondering how this would work on street clothes. Your assessment of a jacket, coat, maybe even a sweat shirt sounds great, but what if the attacker is wearing a T-shirt or NO shirt at all???
@johnny102marvin If you train in jiujitsu or any art for years and seriously commit yourself becoming a true martial artist, you won't be looking for street fights and you'll be so far past most street fighters in skill that the thought of an untrained person beating would be laughable.
@johnny102marvin Just saw your comment and wanted to add. Our system does more "street" focused training. If you are all ready doing jiu jitsu and know how to do any lapel choke, you can modify it to work with a t-shirt. Just grab MORE shirt. Bunch it up and it won't tear. Even if it does tear, you have a scrap of cloth to choke, and tie up. It's really a great technique to know. You can train to take a beating, but you can't train your brain NOT to shut down from blood loss! Awesome.
You do not have to be wearing a gi to do this. A thick jacket or coat will work as well. You can even pull the bottom of someones tshirt up and wrap it. Probably not the best option in a street fight though
I have to agree that there are lots of stupid comments here. Most fail to understtand that they are teaching the basics, and giving you good ideas. Now anyone with experience knows that one never follows any technique blindly. They adapt to a situation, and make things work for them.
Now for all those commenting and complaining about the quality of the technique. Well if you can do better post a vid, simple. Don't talk do.
That is why the guy on the top should always control the arms by placing the hand on the biceps. when the time is right he passes the guard. You can also sneak the x choke in by "attempting the basic sweep" and pulling him back into guard as you slip the other hand in. Just a couple of suggestions
I don't see how someone can pull off this move:for the reason that when you're on your back(bottom)usually the person on top is raining down punches on you
If you on flat on your back and the person on top is continuously punching you,no matter what you call it BJJ,JIu JITSU,WRESTLIG,etc.......,You better be able to some how not take hits or you're going to pass out.
What I'm saying is that this move could work in a competition in Jiu Jitsu. Very small chance of one being able to do this in a real life fight or an MMA fight, in that case you would have many other options to do instead.
Given that the choke involves a gi, it pretty much goes without saying it is for a competition. How many attackers come up to you wearing a gi? Although this choke would also work with a coat, jacket, heavy t-shirt, or a sweater, but you might be dangerously exposed while trying to choke somebody out if you have them in the guard. Better to rely on other submissions that leave you less exposed to punches.
OhioGuy19 First,The Video DIDNOT mention that the demonstration was for COMPETITION ONLY!Secondly;So are you saying that this move will work all the time in Competition?I don't see alot of figthers wearing Gi's like I used to awhile ago.
It's pretty much a given this move is for competition only, as very few people who attack you in the street will be wearing a gi. Likewise, while you are going to cross collar choke somebody (if they are wearing a coat) they are allowed to hit you in the street. There are better submissions for street fights. It pretty much goes without saying that gi chokes are competiton.
Also, this move will always work if it is not defended against. Few people respect the cross-collar choke, it works.
Surely fighting someone who has no experience of submissions would work in your advantage, and considering the amount of times a street fight goes to the ground i'd bet it's worth atleast knowing.
wow, it's a small world.. just been drilling a standing variant of this self same move in the JJ class... obtained from a left hand strike to the face. Very effective (as long as nothing sharp and pointy is being employed.. but that would render pretty much all grappling methods unusable).
they arent the same thing bjj was originated in brazil and made so that you dont need to use as much strength as japanese jj bjj uses more leverage and twisting thats y it is used more than jj because small not as strong people in fihgting can use it
jiu-jitsu originated in japan brazilian jiu jitsu was adapted from this form to become more functional in real life situations rather then competition purposes
To be fair, Jiu-jitsu is usually the Brazilian spelling, so they are the same thing. Ju-jitsu is a lot of extremely varied systems of martial arts, which may incorporate striking, takedowns, and submissions and descend from japanese battle field tactics. BJJ is an offshoot of Judo that focuses on grappling, mainly on the ground w/ and wo/ the gi. No real striking, thoug Gracie Combatives wll try to convince you otherwise.
The most important detail is missing in this video.
When you have the underhand grip, you have to pull not with your arms, but with the wrist. Basically, it's like pointing your hand down from the wrist.
Helio was a master of this choke ...he choked out Kato(japans second best judoka at the time) with this... Too bad he couldnt do the same with Kimura(kjapans number 1 judoka at the time)...
They used to when MMA first started. Thanks to Senator McCain and the Boxing Commission, they have regulated MMA to the level of boxing (hence only shorts are worn).
this isnt good. no one will not use some type of wrist control or w/e. unless u fight a dude on the street and they get u to the floor and they wearin a V neck or some shit u wont get this choke out!
Hahaha, brilliant! I was always a bit skeptical of the actual utility of this gi chokes, lapel grabs, etc. Although, if I had to apply the technique in this video on anybody, I can't think of a better victim than some annoying 1960s reject wearing an open shirt with a butterfly collar.
Since most fights end up in close quater grappling ,I say it's very effective.These guys have so many ways they can put you out,standing up or on the ground.They are quite dangerous to say the least.
Not even trying to say I want to mess with any good grappler on the ground, I just wanted to make someone laugh. As far as arguing about this technique being good or bad, the bottom line is that if you're fighting someone wearing something that lets you use this technique, then perfect. Otherwise, not useful. Using any technique in the wrong situation is not good. It's smart to be able to capitalize on every advantage you can get though. What if you are confronted by someone who is cold?
Actually, I've almost never been put in a cross choke. For one thing you should never have your hands touching the mat like the guy does in the video. Your hands should be placed on his stomach so he can't sit up to start the choke. Also it helps you prevent the guy controlling the head which generally makes any choke or armbar easier. Emphasis on "generally". It's triangle choke and cross arm bar to watch out for from this position though, especially when you're trying to pass the guard.
your advice is really helpful, I appreciate that. But I am still confused about hand placement, because even if you place your hands on your opponents stomach, he could gain wrist control and snap into an arm bar or a triangle quit easily, especially if he can alleviate the pressure being placed against him towards the floor, right? Tell me more about this stuff, its like a science and I love it. When I used to wrestle/grapple, it was like a perpetual game of chess. And whats a cross arm bar?
The choke works just fine with jackets and hoodies. Even T-Shirts unless they're really thin.
And even if you try to control their wrists its actually quite difficult to prevent unless you're quick. And if you use it on someone who's never grappled, they're not going to be that fast when they go "wtf is he doing".
I find that a good finger to the eyeballs is very effective, make sure you sink it deep like you are trying to pull the eyeball out, that ends the show fast.
its all in the wrists. sink it in deep and it works no matter where your elbows are. By the way, u shouldnt dog hapkido. i train in aikido and balance is wut defeats ur opponent not mma.
Elbows are supposed to come BACK not OUT this guy is an idiot. You're supposed to pull BACK to get this choke, this expert village shit always sucks, I watch it just to see what he gets wrong.
Yeah ur right dude , and ur supposed to twist the wrists too. These people on expertvillage should watch Helio's video explaining it , its on you tube...
First; what the fuck are you talking about? You do what you have to do? Like using improper technique?
So it's worked for you huh? A few reasons why it might have:
1. you may have been up against a pussy who taps at the slightest tightness around his neck even if it's not a legit choke.
2. Elbows OUT can work on occation if you pull hard enough. The point is, BJJ is supposed to be easy, the less energy you use the better for you. Elbows out makes you have to pull harder and lower.
this move is bullshit. its called a punch in the face. this doesnt really apply to mma becasue virtually no one wears there martial arts gear anymore.
THat would be a valid statement if everyone who took BJJ was an MMA fighter. THis is great for a person in a street fight, grab the jacket or shirt of a guy who's on top of you and he's out in a few seconds. A punch in the face will rarely knock a guy out, even by an expert striker. THis technique is shit though.
This guy misses a lot of detail. It's funny that most on here don't realize that JJ has a lot of competitions, where things like this are really useful. It's one technique. Some of you are judging an entire MA on 1 technique, that's just ignorant.
so true man, I do hapkido and I know for sure that this is a great martial art for round fighting but could never be used practically in the street because it doesn't consider that people will try to resist EVERY SINGLE MOVE YOU TRY!! hapkido does
Hapkido has a lot of moves that are incredibly impracticle. Hapkido is a martial art that doesn't consider resistance you tard. You probably just haven't ever fought someone who knew jiu Jistu...
sorry but unless its actually a suit i cant think of any other item of clothing that even comes close to being as strong as a gi and wont stratch,how often is it guys in suits fight?
this works really well with sweatshirts, actually. I'm not in jiu jitsu but I watch these vids & practice the stuff, it'll rip t-shirt, but sweatshirts and especially the type of overshirt I wear are perfect to do this technique on, among other things like jackets.
This works really well with any collared shirt or jacket. I've choked a guy out this way in just a standard button up, collared shirt. Hooded sweatshirts are good, too!
Nice demonstration - good info for any BJJ beginner (and for you skeptics out there, collar chokes have applications in self-defense as well - it works with clothing other than Gis.)
Its not often that in cage fights people wear that stuff(cant remember its name,but the actual suit,i should know as i used to do karate and taekwondo is it gie or summit)also in the street most clothing people wear actually can rip pretty easily if grabbed at with force or stretch
but most martial arts are taught as a sport or with sport competitions in mind. thats not to say that they dont offer practical techniques, but alot of the time its up to the learner to decide what they take away from the training and to make it work in the street.
Good point superflyboobby and when your on the ground in a street fight your head is in a perfect place to get kicked like a football actually it has happend to a few people I know.
whoelse see's garden tips in the side bar
TheHumbleHat 1 day ago
i can't do it without t-shirt
Tecktoys 7 months ago
@Tecktoys WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU WANT TO FIGHT A GUY WITH BOTH OF YOU SHIRTLESS!?
KruzeRemix 6 months ago
@KruzeRemix because in mma you cant have clothes only a short and boxing gloves.
Tecktoys 6 months ago
gostei
obuzero1 7 months ago
I just wanted to know how to beat friends in wrestling...
bric1717 7 months ago
pretty simple: you cant learn correct BJJ on youtube
you need a gym with a serious trainer and many bad (strong and bigger) opponents!
sparring sparring and sparring
stay tuned
Beenie0085 10 months ago
this is stupid, if i was on top, i would hit him so much that he would go in his guard, or i would just take away his hands off me.
1Alino 10 months ago
@1Alino hah. you can try. fighters train themselves to take a beating, and i dont think you would be able to do anything besides choke till you sleep when he gets that on you.
whatsmynamear 9 months ago
@1Alino If he has a good grip you cant take his hands off you... you would choke before you got a punch on him
Couragethecowarddog 8 months ago
you notice on every video there some fagget trying to talk shit LOL, always thinkin he knows it all and has to tell you, you did something wrong to feel good in life. What a bitch. Those are the fat losers who cant do none of this shit and would get fucked up in a fight quick.
SurenoR3dRAG 10 months ago
What if he's naked? o.O
TurkeyFats 10 months ago
this move wont' work if his collar rips.
bluecalculators 10 months ago
why are people arguing that this isnt done right? if you are choking someone in a street fight, odds are, they wont be thinking too straight and they prolly wont know how to counter it, but i know where alot of people are coming from. anyone wanna tell me otherwise? please do, i wanna learn more of this stuff so i can fight better. thanks everyone
xXLIVE4THEMOMENTXx1 1 year ago
@xXLIVE4THEMOMENTXx1
Those elbow postures can make diffrence when in competition. BJJ isn't mainly trained for selfdefence. Or atlast no-one trains for it in our gym.
Admiral9911 11 months ago
it gets it done that wat matters
A1A1A1A17 1 year ago
Nami Juji Jime is stronger with your palm down. Also grab a scrunch of gi either side instead of hunting collar. If your hands or thumb are partly trapped inside the gi and your arms extended you make an armlock counter an easier option. Nice though.
MrTerryKay 1 year ago
expertvilllage sucks dick man
funkychickeness 1 year ago
i got choked out by this today....I didn't tap in time....
guitarpwner67 1 year ago
so what happens if the guy has no shirt?
TacoCup 1 year ago
@TacoCup slap their chest really hard
Zanguza 1 year ago
Guys- these techniques were taught to me years ago from Royce Gracie himself. Keep in mind that these are JIU-JITSU techniques, not MMA. These can be adapted to street fight/self defense but it depends on the situation, what the opponent is wearing, etc. My advice is: try a technique in different situations with ur sparring partners, then ull know if the shit works in that particlar situation. Dont take every BJJ move as MMA gospel. -Don Daly
ThorDVD3 1 year ago
would this work on a t-shirt?
bdjordan15 1 year ago
Polo works like a fuckin charm. Everyone is essentially wearing a one or two time use gi on the street man. Unless your scrappin with some jersey shore fucker hahahaha
jyakin 1 year ago
You could MAYBE pull off this GI CHOKE on someone wearing a thick jacket but I probably wouldnt try it. This is a GI choke for all those posting how this wouldn't work in MMA- it is a choke designed to use your opponents GI, so no GI = no GI CHOKE
jakesilv 2 years ago
what he s teaching is chokes for BJJ-you can adopt it for street if in a position to do so-adding blinding strikes or hitting throat with side of hand first for street-never say something will not work as it can and will-whitewolf
oldsgtmajusmc 2 years ago
Big mistake in this video! Elbows DO NOT go out. You pull your elbows down to the mat. If you flair them out, it's very easy to counter.
gurumark 2 years ago 31
Your elbows going out is the "cross" in cross choke?
dillonx1x 1 year ago
@gurumark agreed...all your opponent needs to do is grab/hold the back of your elbows to prevent them from flairing out and there's no choke...it wouldn't be comfortable, but no nighty-night...it's all in the wrist position during the choke that sends ur opponent to la-la land...
ghemminger1 1 year ago
@ghemminger1 true true
tododashi 1 year ago
@gurumark can you do this choke standing up??
imnotokeither 1 year ago
@imnotokeither Yes, it requires more wrist angle, but it can be done.
gurumark 1 year ago
@gurumark if your elbows are in you dont get the leverage you need to do the choke then the move is pointless
clavin2007 10 months ago
@clavin2007 That's not true. The point of your bent wrist puts pressure on the carotids. If you open your elbows as demonstrated, its very easy to push the elbows back down and defeat the choke. I'm a blue belt, trained by Jean Jacques Machado, himself.
gurumark 10 months ago
@gurumark right on dude i wasnt trying to come off as rude hope i didnt ...ive been studying for martial arts for over 10 years not Jujitsu but the korean arts Hapkido and taekwondo im looking into jujitsu ... which i no nothing about... it just looked to me that the move worked by the leverage from bending the elbows thanks for the insight jujitsu looks like a very fun art ...
clavin2007 10 months ago
@gurumark
If you intiate a really good JUJI JIME, elbows will not be important at all. Don't "split hair", this is a GOOD video.
ivicazdravkovic 2 months ago in playlist Beginning Jujitsu Moves
what if your opponent isnt wearing a shirt? wouldnt that negate u being able to execute this choke?
badboy4rmda504 2 years ago
o just grab the loose piece of flesh at the back of his neck
peeweemen1 2 years ago
better get a very tight grip on his skin
wallas10 2 years ago
Sorry , dont know much about this but couldn`t the dude on top throw down some big punches while you attempt this? No disrespect intended , I know ju jitsu guys win lots of MMA tournements
ilikezappa 2 years ago
it's gi choke, so no-one would be attempting it in mma.
Randyz666 2 years ago
that's what we got triangle chokes for
bla7091 2 years ago
yeah, i know. what happens if they are shirtless? just fucking get them in a good shoulder lock or triangle.
Stahlwulf 2 years ago
And arm bars are a lot easier to make too as you can't hold onto your own gi to keep your arms together
bla7091 2 years ago
yeah I don't see much use for the gi grabbing. no gis in the octagon and nobody taps out in a street fight.
Stahlwulf 2 years ago
You can adapt from gi to no gi, Why not take the time to learn it anyways? you dont know when it could help?
dillonx1x 1 year ago
nobody taps in a streetfight, but people will sleep in a street fight if you got em in a good choke longer than 14 seconds... if you dont let theyll die .... chokes are more dangerous than punches and should not be known by agressiv ppl or bullys
yunuscuk 1 year ago
you and dillonx1x have good points. if they have long sleeve shirts or anything thats good. and if you make them sleep then you stopped the fight without fucking them up too much.
Stahlwulf 1 year ago
The choke i feel helps instill the idea that its good to keep your opponent broken down in your guard. Most people are wearing clothes when they are fighting. its not like everyone walks around in wrestler shoes, board shorts and no tee.
jyakin 1 year ago
dont take elbows out, bring elbows together
alderopop 2 years ago
afroceochi, a neck crank can be used from the mount position and is very effectieve and does not require a lot of effort.
actionman2309 2 years ago
afroceochi a good way to joke is to talk about their momma
ilikezappa 2 years ago
whats a good way to joke or submission someone when they r ontop of u like their crotch is on ur stomach can anyone send me a url thanx.?
afrokeochi 2 years ago
won't really work unless theyre wearing the gear haha
aidenonfire 2 years ago
un less the whereing a jacket or some kind of thick clotheing it wont work ya.
irbb07 2 years ago
I know the only way this is getting pulled off is at a bjj comp never in the octagon
VAktmracer 2 years ago 2
love this choke, my first ever submission was due to the cross choke i'll always remeber it so easy and effective in bjj and in the street.
daz45 2 years ago
From my experience, I once got into a fight with some idiot at a Judo dojo a while back. The guy really wanted to kill me, but he wasn't able to get one punch in on me because I was grabbing his gi and controlling his posture from my guard. Think about it, learning this gi stuff might save your life when you use an attacker's jacket or winter coat against him.
SakoYo 2 years ago 20
Indeed!
assface567 1 year ago
@SakoYo Okuri Eri Jime(sliding collar choke) works wonders with gi or no gi(shirts)!
Why did this guy get in a fight in you at a dojo? How traditional is you're Judo dojo?
samluke8121 1 year ago
@samluke8121 The guy was just a jerk and a very emotional unstable person who got upset over the stupidest things and the guys at the dojo sort of encouraged his dysfunctional behavior. Yes, this dojo was very traditional.
SakoYo 1 year ago
@SakoYo
If I'm wearing a jacket. Ah but what if I'm in just in my nylon socks and flat cap?
LOL
MrTerryKay 1 year ago
@MrTerryKay Do something else.
SakoYo 1 year ago
@SakoYo what if he has no shirt dip shit...just go for simple chokes and locks...thats all you need if you start getting to fancy and dont get it that when you look like a fool.
rotciv2020 1 year ago
@rotciv2020 Learning the more intricate gi game is not going to make your simpler no-gi game weaker, the same way learning algebra is not going to weaken your arthimetics. If a gi guy can't do the simple chokes or locks, than he does not have a strong foundation to begin with and would probably suffer in gi competition too.
SakoYo 1 year ago
@SakoYo You answered my question. As I was watching the video, I was wondering how this would work on street clothes. Your assessment of a jacket, coat, maybe even a sweat shirt sounds great, but what if the attacker is wearing a T-shirt or NO shirt at all???
johnny102marvin 9 months ago
@johnny102marvin If you train in jiujitsu or any art for years and seriously commit yourself becoming a true martial artist, you won't be looking for street fights and you'll be so far past most street fighters in skill that the thought of an untrained person beating would be laughable.
SakoYo 9 months ago
@johnny102marvin Just saw your comment and wanted to add. Our system does more "street" focused training. If you are all ready doing jiu jitsu and know how to do any lapel choke, you can modify it to work with a t-shirt. Just grab MORE shirt. Bunch it up and it won't tear. Even if it does tear, you have a scrap of cloth to choke, and tie up. It's really a great technique to know. You can train to take a beating, but you can't train your brain NOT to shut down from blood loss! Awesome.
OnFireFitness317 6 months ago
Do you guys even get that these videos are for competition Jiu Jitsu?
sqrl33 2 years ago 4
Doesn't matter they still can be street smart
Barry52811 2 years ago
ok who cares if it doesnt cover strike if im mounted on u im gonna do some damage
mpgrocker23 2 years ago
you gotta get to mount first chump
mattvarhegyi 2 years ago
BJJ absolutely covers strikes...I teach small circle jiu jitsu.
jgm1234567 2 years ago
That is also called the baseball bat choke very effective.
sk8terdude132 2 years ago
No it is not called the bat choke.
pricklead 2 years ago
You do not have to be wearing a gi to do this. A thick jacket or coat will work as well. You can even pull the bottom of someones tshirt up and wrap it. Probably not the best option in a street fight though
RichieRichAthens 2 years ago
a lot of retarded posts but a good simple vid, props guys
iheartparra 2 years ago 2
I have to agree that there are lots of stupid comments here. Most fail to understtand that they are teaching the basics, and giving you good ideas. Now anyone with experience knows that one never follows any technique blindly. They adapt to a situation, and make things work for them.
Now for all those commenting and complaining about the quality of the technique. Well if you can do better post a vid, simple. Don't talk do.
Good simple video.
littsmed1 2 years ago 3
New guys take note. Save yourself some burnt out arms!
@14 second mark see how he uses his legs to pull the the partner forward?
I wish somebody had shown me that at the start of my training so I wouldn't have relied on my arms so much to break my opponents posture.
That and do not pull on the back of the opponents neck. Pull on the top of the back of their head to break posture.
viewer1a 2 years ago 2
That is why the guy on the top should always control the arms by placing the hand on the biceps. when the time is right he passes the guard. You can also sneak the x choke in by "attempting the basic sweep" and pulling him back into guard as you slip the other hand in. Just a couple of suggestions
LoudEagle 2 years ago
I don't see how someone can pull off this move:for the reason that when you're on your back(bottom)usually the person on top is raining down punches on you
forcethrown 2 years ago
There are no punches in BJJ.
WestCoastLegend90 2 years ago
Don't you see Fighters that claim to be BJJ practioners.And correct me if I am wrong; but,don't they throw punches.
forcethrown 2 years ago
MMA Fighters that practice BJJ maybe?? Besides this is Jiu Jitsu..nothing to do with striking
DEATHxValor 2 years ago
If you on flat on your back and the person on top is continuously punching you,no matter what you call it BJJ,JIu JITSU,WRESTLIG,etc.......,You better be able to some how not take hits or you're going to pass out.
forcethrown 2 years ago
What I'm saying is that this move could work in a competition in Jiu Jitsu. Very small chance of one being able to do this in a real life fight or an MMA fight, in that case you would have many other options to do instead.
DEATHxValor 2 years ago
Agreed.The Instructor on the Video doesnot state that this is only for competition though .
forcethrown 2 years ago
Given that the choke involves a gi, it pretty much goes without saying it is for a competition. How many attackers come up to you wearing a gi? Although this choke would also work with a coat, jacket, heavy t-shirt, or a sweater, but you might be dangerously exposed while trying to choke somebody out if you have them in the guard. Better to rely on other submissions that leave you less exposed to punches.
OhioGuy19 2 years ago
OhioGuy19 First,The Video DIDNOT mention that the demonstration was for COMPETITION ONLY!Secondly;So are you saying that this move will work all the time in Competition?I don't see alot of figthers wearing Gi's like I used to awhile ago.
forcethrown 2 years ago
It's pretty much a given this move is for competition only, as very few people who attack you in the street will be wearing a gi. Likewise, while you are going to cross collar choke somebody (if they are wearing a coat) they are allowed to hit you in the street. There are better submissions for street fights. It pretty much goes without saying that gi chokes are competiton.
Also, this move will always work if it is not defended against. Few people respect the cross-collar choke, it works.
OhioGuy19 2 years ago
Surely fighting someone who has no experience of submissions would work in your advantage, and considering the amount of times a street fight goes to the ground i'd bet it's worth atleast knowing.
Shortpaulio 2 years ago
bjj is ground grappling and ground striking idot.
your dumb.
devinakadc 2 years ago
you're an idiot...bjj has no strikes...
JohnRadamski 2 years ago
brazilian jiu jitsu does not cover striking
JessicaClaire1992 2 years ago
Yeah if i had never been interested in BJJ and some guy did this to me i would like pass out in laughter. But hellz yeah i know it works :D!
Drogba2108 2 years ago
wow, it's a small world.. just been drilling a standing variant of this self same move in the JJ class... obtained from a left hand strike to the face. Very effective (as long as nothing sharp and pointy is being employed.. but that would render pretty much all grappling methods unusable).
scopeophile 2 years ago
hey can somebody explain the difference between jiu-jitsu and brazilian jiu-jitsu, itd really appreciate it
ZPQM001 2 years ago
its the exact same thing lmao.
markymark93 2 years ago
they arent the same thing bjj was originated in brazil and made so that you dont need to use as much strength as japanese jj bjj uses more leverage and twisting thats y it is used more than jj because small not as strong people in fihgting can use it
magepure1131 2 years ago
jiu-jitsu originated in japan brazilian jiu jitsu was adapted from this form to become more functional in real life situations rather then competition purposes
tylerk03 2 years ago
To be fair, Jiu-jitsu is usually the Brazilian spelling, so they are the same thing. Ju-jitsu is a lot of extremely varied systems of martial arts, which may incorporate striking, takedowns, and submissions and descend from japanese battle field tactics. BJJ is an offshoot of Judo that focuses on grappling, mainly on the ground w/ and wo/ the gi. No real striking, thoug Gracie Combatives wll try to convince you otherwise.
viator22 2 years ago
in that 2ns choke. do you have to grab his shirt. what if theyre not wearing a shirt?
scgasque 2 years ago
Then you do something different?
viator22 2 years ago
The most important detail is missing in this video.
When you have the underhand grip, you have to pull not with your arms, but with the wrist. Basically, it's like pointing your hand down from the wrist.
PanKrato 2 years ago
lol i didnt even notice that, yea pretty much like curling ur wrists
faskoooo 2 years ago
Helio was a master of this choke ...he choked out Kato(japans second best judoka at the time) with this... Too bad he couldnt do the same with Kimura(kjapans number 1 judoka at the time)...
AJDevilx 2 years ago
this is a very good move, but only if you can actually get your hand far enough back on the collar
faskoooo 2 years ago
i dont think this choke would work on a MMA fight. ive never seen a MMA fighter wear a Gi in the octagon
deathstr 2 years ago
royce does =p
letsgoskimmin9 2 years ago
They used to when MMA first started. Thanks to Senator McCain and the Boxing Commission, they have regulated MMA to the level of boxing (hence only shorts are worn).
MPA2000 2 years ago
This just in: BJJ isn't just used in MMA. There are actual tournaments in pure gi jiu-jitsu. Amazing!!!!!1!!one!!!
unsupa 2 years ago
they used to or at least the Gracie's did for a while.
batmanfan7 2 years ago
Off to BJJ in 20 mins, so help me I'm gonna do this tonight! (sick of getting it done to me!!)
alittlerock 2 years ago
this isnt good. no one will not use some type of wrist control or w/e. unless u fight a dude on the street and they get u to the floor and they wearin a V neck or some shit u wont get this choke out!
rjishott 3 years ago
Yeah I had to choke out a dude in a cardigan the other day lol. I had to sub my mom while she was in her bathrobe. Gimme that toaster strudel mom.
DeterminedGoat 3 years ago 4
Hahaha, brilliant! I was always a bit skeptical of the actual utility of this gi chokes, lapel grabs, etc. Although, if I had to apply the technique in this video on anybody, I can't think of a better victim than some annoying 1960s reject wearing an open shirt with a butterfly collar.
DuttyDraws 3 years ago
Since most fights end up in close quater grappling ,I say it's very effective.These guys have so many ways they can put you out,standing up or on the ground.They are quite dangerous to say the least.
stai12 3 years ago
Not even trying to say I want to mess with any good grappler on the ground, I just wanted to make someone laugh. As far as arguing about this technique being good or bad, the bottom line is that if you're fighting someone wearing something that lets you use this technique, then perfect. Otherwise, not useful. Using any technique in the wrong situation is not good. It's smart to be able to capitalize on every advantage you can get though. What if you are confronted by someone who is cold?
DeterminedGoat 3 years ago
what does being cold have to do with anything?
SxEshawn 3 years ago
He means that the cross choke will only work on some one in a Gi or heavy jacket
No jacket means that your oppnent gets cold
MrSaroni 2 years ago 2
I think you could still use the cross choke much easier than a kimura or triangle choke, this one looks much easier and more likely to happen
SxEshawn 3 years ago
Actually, I've almost never been put in a cross choke. For one thing you should never have your hands touching the mat like the guy does in the video. Your hands should be placed on his stomach so he can't sit up to start the choke. Also it helps you prevent the guy controlling the head which generally makes any choke or armbar easier. Emphasis on "generally". It's triangle choke and cross arm bar to watch out for from this position though, especially when you're trying to pass the guard.
shincyriades 2 years ago
your advice is really helpful, I appreciate that. But I am still confused about hand placement, because even if you place your hands on your opponents stomach, he could gain wrist control and snap into an arm bar or a triangle quit easily, especially if he can alleviate the pressure being placed against him towards the floor, right? Tell me more about this stuff, its like a science and I love it. When I used to wrestle/grapple, it was like a perpetual game of chess. And whats a cross arm bar?
SxEshawn 2 years ago
The choke works just fine with jackets and hoodies. Even T-Shirts unless they're really thin.
And even if you try to control their wrists its actually quite difficult to prevent unless you're quick. And if you use it on someone who's never grappled, they're not going to be that fast when they go "wtf is he doing".
Robopencil 3 years ago 2
use the choke against someone wearing a backpack! it works!
redblue18700 2 years ago
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very bad jiu jitsu
megamachoman 3 years ago
Aww, gi only.
JimBobJenkins 3 years ago
I find that a good finger to the eyeballs is very effective, make sure you sink it deep like you are trying to pull the eyeball out, that ends the show fast.
Ricksf9ers 3 years ago
Do you guys just argue and bicker? Come on.
semp223 3 years ago
Not the best way to do the classic cross choke
megamachoman 3 years ago
whats the best way to do a cross choke?
SxEshawn 3 years ago
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Key00Kard 3 years ago
hehe k
Talamare 3 years ago
its all in the wrists. sink it in deep and it works no matter where your elbows are. By the way, u shouldnt dog hapkido. i train in aikido and balance is wut defeats ur opponent not mma.
uhotrippa 3 years ago 2
Elbows are supposed to come BACK not OUT this guy is an idiot. You're supposed to pull BACK to get this choke, this expert village shit always sucks, I watch it just to see what he gets wrong.
RightWingCon81 3 years ago
Yeah ur right dude , and ur supposed to twist the wrists too. These people on expertvillage should watch Helio's video explaining it , its on you tube...
htrizzle 3 years ago
you do what you need to, to win a fight.
its worked for me a few times.
steer1990 3 years ago
First; what the fuck are you talking about? You do what you have to do? Like using improper technique?
So it's worked for you huh? A few reasons why it might have:
1. you may have been up against a pussy who taps at the slightest tightness around his neck even if it's not a legit choke.
2. Elbows OUT can work on occation if you pull hard enough. The point is, BJJ is supposed to be easy, the less energy you use the better for you. Elbows out makes you have to pull harder and lower.
RightWingCon81 3 years ago
good point he clearly doesn´t know any jiu jitsu
megamachoman 3 years ago
this move is bullshit. its called a punch in the face. this doesnt really apply to mma becasue virtually no one wears there martial arts gear anymore.
jack11643 3 years ago
THat would be a valid statement if everyone who took BJJ was an MMA fighter. THis is great for a person in a street fight, grab the jacket or shirt of a guy who's on top of you and he's out in a few seconds. A punch in the face will rarely knock a guy out, even by an expert striker. THis technique is shit though.
RightWingCon81 3 years ago
in jiu jitsu u cant punch its about submissions
XxGillespiexX 3 years ago 2
well no fucking shit whe did u figure that out dumbass
dc3xy 3 years ago
"Elbows out" is bad technique.
CPK13 3 years ago
dude, lol this is the shit they teach you in the army.lol lame
bmetstud 3 years ago
Lame? I could find several thousand Army soldiers that could whoop your ass.
wwwNightCrewSports 3 years ago
Bro, I was in the army. Most of those guys doing army combatives suck.
ufis567 3 years ago 4
I could still find several thousand Army soldiers to kick that guys ass.
wwwNightCrewSports 3 years ago
Marines maybe. Soldiers don't stand n fight too terribly well.
Semper Fi
chadofdajungle 3 years ago
This guy misses a lot of detail. It's funny that most on here don't realize that JJ has a lot of competitions, where things like this are really useful. It's one technique. Some of you are judging an entire MA on 1 technique, that's just ignorant.
ryta1203 4 years ago
this dude sucks in every one of his movies hes missing details
in this one he dosent even feed the gi like your supposed to
he dosent pull the head down when choking correctly
and he dosent use the wrists.
i hope nobody else ever watches this
Mrlevinblackbelt 4 years ago
not sure why the guy would be tappinmg if this is completely wrong...i think he can add a few details to make this tighter, but this will work fine
123456jrf 4 years ago
so true man, I do hapkido and I know for sure that this is a great martial art for round fighting but could never be used practically in the street because it doesn't consider that people will try to resist EVERY SINGLE MOVE YOU TRY!! hapkido does
KVblowYouDown 4 years ago
lol
Himura23 4 years ago
Hapkido has a lot of moves that are incredibly impracticle. Hapkido is a martial art that doesn't consider resistance you tard. You probably just haven't ever fought someone who knew jiu Jistu...
Corythepure 4 years ago
actualy, we learn jiu-jitsu at hapkido :D
unholyjapa 3 years ago
BJJ or just JJ?
wwwNightCrewSports 3 years ago
IT works with a T shirt even better...You just need to sink your hands in a bit deeper..
Even a tank top will work...
wombatfredman 4 years ago
sorry but unless its actually a suit i cant think of any other item of clothing that even comes close to being as strong as a gi and wont stratch,how often is it guys in suits fight?
superflybobby1987 4 years ago
this works really well with sweatshirts, actually. I'm not in jiu jitsu but I watch these vids & practice the stuff, it'll rip t-shirt, but sweatshirts and especially the type of overshirt I wear are perfect to do this technique on, among other things like jackets.
kmogusar 4 years ago
This works really well with any collared shirt or jacket. I've choked a guy out this way in just a standard button up, collared shirt. Hooded sweatshirts are good, too!
pikemitt 4 years ago
dude i have personally clock choked someone wearing a zipup hoodie... you just have to know what you are doing
trex0 4 years ago
Nice demonstration - good info for any BJJ beginner (and for you skeptics out there, collar chokes have applications in self-defense as well - it works with clothing other than Gis.)
EpicurusThirteen 4 years ago
u need to be REAL quick and accurate when doing this.
blackhawk777 4 years ago 2
Its not often that in cage fights people wear that stuff(cant remember its name,but the actual suit,i should know as i used to do karate and taekwondo is it gie or summit)also in the street most clothing people wear actually can rip pretty easily if grabbed at with force or stretch
superflybobby1987 4 years ago
The video is titled Beginner Jiu Jitsu, not Self Defense: The Streets, or Cage Fighting 101.
Animahngo 4 years ago
jiu jitsu is self defense isnt it?thats the whole poin tof why martial arts were invented wasnt it,so as to win street fights.
superflybobby1987 4 years ago
yeah, all martial arts were invented to win street fights. not wars, just street fights.
dommyracer 4 years ago
but most martial arts are taught as a sport or with sport competitions in mind. thats not to say that they dont offer practical techniques, but alot of the time its up to the learner to decide what they take away from the training and to make it work in the street.
bsosna 4 years ago
And it's a Gi, btw.
Animahngo 4 years ago
Good point superflyboobby and when your on the ground in a street fight your head is in a perfect place to get kicked like a football actually it has happend to a few people I know.
snakeeyes007 4 years ago
ONLY 1 PROBLEM
superflybobby1987 4 years ago
Just a question from a beginner who's sole source of jiu jitsu/brazilian jiu jitsu konwledge comes from the internet, UFC, Pride, WEC, IFL, etc.
WHY are you supposed to pull you elbows down and never flare them out?
Animahngo 4 years ago
you keep em in and he cant get to armlocks as easily and when he's in the mount, he can't get his knees into your armpits.
SoCCheese 4 years ago
yeah that was pretty bad with the elbows flaring out. also you can do it if he is sitting up by just sitting up yourself
rry6961 4 years ago
Not very good
ShanghaiBJJ 4 years ago
elbows NEVER flare out, turn your wrists in and pull to your chest.
NickC1973 4 years ago
Thank you so much for these :)
dogtown180 4 years ago