WINDOWS 7 RC1 vs Linux Ubuntu 9.04

[DeathMechanism88]

Id rather learn the Linux terminal Than deal with a virus or defragging my drives or paying 1500.00 for an outdated computer with osx

[xyz98741]

Ubuntu is a gay piece of shit, used by no life losers!

[Iamsdrich]

When it comes to Linux, there will always be nay-sayers. Some of them will be people who have never used (or seen) Linux before.

My argument would go as follows: a $3 burger better taste 3 times better than a $1 burger. If this is true, then Windows costing $200 better be INFINITELY better than $0 (free) Linux. I can guarantee, it's not.

[Galaron28]

lmfao did i just hear a floppy drive power up? hahaha

[bondavi]

@Galaron28

yes, here it in use yet :]

[lorddresefer]

They ALL have advantages/disadvantages! none of them are the best. windows 7 is really nice best one so far in my opinion, the newest ubuntu is hard to configure my graphics card but Linux Mint works it fine ;P and Mac is for simplicity (basically everything is click and go) and the best looking mac in my opinion was the imac g4 (swivel screen and looked like the pixar lamp) they were really onto something there and Id buy the design even just as a monitor for a pc!

[zxyzxyaaa]

win_7 yay mac boo!!!!!! mac get viruses too so hahahaahaha!!!!!!

[zxyzxyaaa]

mac os x is okay win_7 is by far the easiest linux never gave it a chance...

[MrMakeman]

Linux is free.

Windows is awesome.

Mac is simple.

We all have different ideas of "better".

[BasilI1]

@MrMakeman lol, windows is not awesome and you can get a fully functioning unix terminal in mac

[MrMakeman]

@BasilI1

I mean, playing Mw2 and being able to customize your computer isn't cool then you must find a brick downright amazing.

[BasilI1]

@MrMakeman You probably think I use a mac, I don't, i hate them.

Windows plays games

Linux is awsome

Mac is linux with a simple ui but locked down

[MrMakeman]

@BasilI1

/agree

[Helfershelfer1991]

@ShadoLegend: You never used Linux else you would know, that you can use many programms such as Open Office/Microsoft Office, Opera, Firefox, and so on. But with Linux you'll never get infected. So why use Windows?

[WWIIOLgeorgh]

@Helfershelfer1991 If Linux had the market share that Windows has, it would have the same problems with viruses and exploits.

[Rifalltoo]

@WWIIOLgeorgh fuck no it wouldn't. The difference is in permission handling, and kernel architecture. Not fucking marketshare. Fuckers who believe the marketshare virus myth are too fucking gullible.

[OWNENxNxPWN3N]

linux and mac are the best

microsoft your are DONE SO SHUTDOWN

[ShadoLegend]

first thing: linux can barely run any programs but windows can run pretty much all

second thing: mac is a overpriced piece of shit os that is overrated in every possible way so shutup u piece of shit

[tarzie84]

you're wrong about linux but right for the mac

[xleo21]

@ShadoLegend

1: you can run alot of apps with wine

2: you never had a mac , i use linux and windows but ever since using it im sure its the best fuckin os in the world , snow leopard FTW

[mariokid2115]

@OWNENxNxPWN3N Though I agree with you mac and linux are the best. I would not say windows is that bad.

[chingano]

i hate MAC die MAC

[MMACIELL]

a mac shutdown in 5 seconds....i love mac,,,and ubuntu...die windows!!!!!!!

[hendrixski]

There are so many videos now comparing boot times, and general speed. Many are better than this video. Still, I can't help but wonder, will people see this and finally upgrade their computer to Ubuntu? or will they keep avoiding it because someone who didn't know what they were talking about told them that Linux is hard?

[mrzack87]

I doubt people will switch to any of the *nixes just because of their familiarity with Windows. I've tried pushing Ubuntu 9.04 on a few friends, and as simple as it is, they insist Windows is easier. The biggest problem I've heard is their disdain for Synaptic.

[valerakukatov]

linux has a bunch of crap. It's a great OS but you have to work with commands and everything to make a simple video game run. Windows 7 on the other hand is very simple and very great looking OS it's fast and runs everything.

[MrLoveloaf]

but when someone thinks something looks great they put aesthetics before performance then wonder why their computers are slow.

[valerakukatov]

well you must have a 20 year old computer if you wondering why your computer runs slow, my computer runs great with 7.

[MrLoveloaf]

well i havent even had mine for 7 months yet and i'm running ubuntu 9.04 which arguably blows vista away in my opinion but i guess win 7 was made to rectify vista's..."problems"...

but really it just depends on what ya do with your computer and of course the age of it.

[papagamias]

Well Ubuntu has popularised Linux to a greater mass of not so well-informed people like myself. Common users have no idea of so many things knowledgeable people take for granted. You talk about drivers and they think you changed discussion to F1 (not the button!) for example!

Ubuntu is getting there, making it all much easier but still there is a little bit of work to do (ms office, printers, other hardware etc.). The good thing is that Ubuntu makes common people learning which is positive.

[pwnednubs1]

LOL, trust me on this part. Some people can't use Linux. I have people that strugle with using google and youtube.

[grasdubids]

Another dumb and fake test made by a linux fan boys.

I know a OS as worthless as unbuntu and boot 10 times faster : its called DOS.

[Jarige2]

If you really think this is a fake test, why are you watching it?

And btw, every modern OS out there is far more usefull then DOS, but I guess you know that yourself.

If Ubuntu doesn't do it for you, then don't use it! If you like paying your bugs to MS, then freaking do it! But don't go point at every Linux user saying 'linux fan boy'. Thats just a freaking prejudgement. Its like saying every Windows user is a freaking dumbass, who doesn't know shit about computers. Thats just not true!

[der1mit2den3haaren]

If you´d had the GRUB Bootloader , you´d have judgable results...

[shadowcnidarian]

Suckdows 7 LOL

[HackMastery007]

skilo837 is right you cant judge a os from its boot time

[skilo837]

i seriously hope you people are not judging how good a o/s is by how fast it boots up.

that's just silly.

[Spaceisneat]

Windows 7 took 35 seconds. Still a few seconds slower than Ubuntu.

[Spaceisneat]

Ubuntu was less than 35 seconds. I clocked it at about 32 seconds to load the desktop.

[M4gIsA]

Windows 7 boot up in 34 seconds

And windows 7 has antivirus on it

and in boot procces it running some services.

So if ubuntu has compiz windows has aero.Shit me.WIndows 7 is way faster i was in group of unix about 2 years i quit cuz i saw windows proccess.Get a life take windows..

[HawkFest]

LOL!! Linux DON'T NEED an antivirus, it's core irself IS security! Much more secure than Windoze (for which any serious company has to spend time and money just to provide some "critical update strategy" an security crap guyzmo path, DOH!)... And btw, you're juging performance over the time it takes to boot (even though it's faster under Ubuntu)? I guess that most Windows users have to "REBOOT" their machines so many times that it's important for'em... LOL, dude, evolve, get LINUX! ;-P

[TravvyG]

Can anyone fill me in on why Windows needs to have big inovations I don't really know what you mean cept boot time that's it really hmm be nice if their was a quick boot option just for like getting a file or something then for normal use all you have to do is do a full boot. =)

[TravvyG]

Luv windows I really don't mind them cause I haven't had one problem at all but Apple Macs not so much cause with Apple I always have bad luck not really software wise but def hardware I always seem to have a problem with Apple and hey I got Vista not one problem haha pretty sweet ay arrr Windows just luvs me lol =).

[pumaile]

Windows 7 booted for 34 sec check it if you want

[uuu64]

rofl. My 1,7GHz P4 Tweaked XP boot in 16s.

No way i'm downgrading my boot time :O

Wake me again when Win7sp3 is out...

[maroon5rule]

Your mouse clicks sound like bombs

[StickManSR]

Myself i have tryed all 3 win,linux,mac.

The best would have to be windows then mac, has they work right out the box.

Linux is good but i seem to have many hardware problems with them.

i got a new webcam i plug it in to linux and i got to look for driver on the web that i have not found. if i plug into a win or mac i just pop in the cd and it works.

boot time does not matter, its how well you can install apps,games etc.

linux is ok but to much work and most off us can't wait around.

[rachelrose86]

But you can't really blame that on Linux. If those proprietary companies don't easily provide the drivers to Linux, then how can you expect the peripherals to work out of the box?

[StickManSR]

the companies don't develop for linux because many people are scared of cmd and installing there programs, alot of people dont want to read the manual so if linux create a way like windows to install programs with out the need of a keyboard then it would be easy.

If its easy more people would use it and developers would would release a linux version.

I would like to see linux take over the market, but first it needs to be easier so companies don't worrie about having usless phone calls.

[rachelrose86]

I somewhat agree with this, but I personally like Linux the way it is . Linux presents a challenge and when set up correctly, can be one of the most stable systems out there. Yes granted Linux isn't for everyone, but that's why you have other operating systems like Windows. I personally don't care if Linux wins huge market shares, but that doesn't mean that companies shouldn't release their drivers to Linux.

[aramchek]

no one is scared of command lines,it just sucks to have to do everything by command line..it's not like it's difficult,it's just a nuisance. I love the elitist bullshit that linux adherants cling to,"zomfg teh masses just is scairt!1".

When in reality it comes down to the fact that linux is a pain in the ass for very little actual gain,ie:not worth it for most people who actually want to do things besides wade through command line interface and,er,surf the web? ,imagine they're better?

[cfkcfk500]

check the PCBSD pbi installesrs for 3 click installs and alot of companies are developing linux, *BSD's, and OpenSolaris cuz them are more reliable for what them want to do and youtube it's not hosted on windows machines, google developers don't use windows for developing that nice search engine and it's technologies

[basilf191]

Windows 7 is just a cut up version of VISTA. Once again people are going to have issues with it, MS$ cares little it still hold the illegal monopoly and can turn out shit and many will just lap it up. OS-X with Linux will one day knock it off its high horse or scare it to actually come up with something really innovative Like Apple and all the family of Linux's. This is MS$ last chance with Windows 7 else people will flock to Apple, me included. I am a Linux and OS-X fan.

[aramchek]

How fun is it playing all the latest and greatest games in linux...oh,that's right,ouch.

[aramchek]

Linux is more nerdy than being a gamer. You're probably the one stuck in the basement,while you endlessly nerd out over how much it rocks to have to jump through so many hoops just to get basic functionality from your uber linux box.

[Nekroalex]

You 're right. It is better to go with the herd, and make rich people take your hard earned savings.

And if it wasn't for some nerds, you woudn't be sitting on your desktop posting comments on youtube. Ever thought who developed your hardware, operating system, browser and youtube? Nah, i don't think so.

[aramchek]

I see you're avoiding the real point,linux is completely incapable of doing what I want it to do,the things it can do are more than a bit of a hassle to actually accomplish,and when it comes right down to it it's not better anyway.

We all know if more people used linux any of the "it's safer" claims would go straight out the window.

Sorry,but linux doesn't make sense for me,nor for most people..

Enjoy imagining you're better than everyone else though,for not "following the herd".

[GordonFreeman1975]

Yaeh! That's what Windows is just for... The latest and greatest game. For all serious work, get Unix.

[drinkbudyXD]

i got 29 seconds on windows 7...,tested this out cause of all the crappy coments and everybody just testing boot time... i mean wtf...,u know how much u need to customize ubuntu or any linux distro just to get a nice feel to it,lots of day to day things suck on linux..,video and music players... u want something with more features,that u care about,and messengers,pidgin sucks..,digsby well..i hate that fucking green logo they use,songbird is kinda cool,but still has things missing

[p1703]

P.S. One week after Win7 final release Ubuntu 9.10 will be released - that will be even quicker... 6 months later, Ubuntu 10.04 will appear, targeting a booting time of about 10sec. Maybe, then M$ releases Win7 SP1 with a booting time of less than 60sec!

Hahahahaaaaa!

[p1703]

1. win7 is rc, not beta

2. win7 has not finished booting when the desktop appears!!!

3. win7 final will not be much quicker, even if m$ will optimize it...

so: Win7 takes much more time for booting. I have both systems installed: Win7RC1 and Kubuntu 9.04 (Kubuntu is even a bit slower in booting because starting KDE4 takes more time than starting Gnome). My booting times are 44sec for Kubuntu and 71sec for Win7 - both from boot menu until ready desktop, cpu <10% and hdd led stopped flickering.

[joejoex321]

the onli reason 7 takes time 2 boot is because it it rhe BETA version so there are still a few bugs but i have ubuntu and its boot time is still very impressive

[pmf026]

Bullshit fairy tales.

[ar15expert]

Want access to the largest catalog of applications and games? Run Windows. This thread is now closed.

[tf2exe]

Or you could just use bleeding edge version of virtualbox.

/thread

[zelix5]

heard of pirating.

[eyeofthestorm67]

just because windows is one second slower it has more software to prosses like linux doesnt have shit

[hiphopapotomas]

linux actually has alot of software, even though windows may have all of the games and stuff, if i could play all my games on ubuntu i would stop using vista

[eyeofthestorm67]

windows 7 is better aliot better

[pmf026]

Better than what? Vista?

[j0v3m]

I think 39s is a good mark for a Redmond system. However, I've heard today Fedora 11 is around 20s yet. Even better, Ubuntu engineers are working hard to reduce the boot up time to around 10 seconds for the 10.04 (2010 April) version.

[bestamerica]

linux and windows are american own design computers

[Darkimmort4l]

I heard a floppy drive just before you booted Windows 7 and lol'd.

[Davidkevin]

As we don't know how the systems are configured -- how much ram, what processor and processor speed, the hard drive seek time, whether the drive is optimized, etc. -- and what and how much over the system minimum (if anything) is being pre-loaded at boot time for either OS, the 38 and 39 seconds figures are essentially meaningless.

[SeikoPsycho]

Linux is for losers who have too much time on their hands to be able to configure shit to make it work. Don't tell me that Linux works "out-of-the-box," because even today, it simply just doesn't!

People with real lives whose time is valuable to them use Windows. Shi-shi-foo-foo, pretentious, and stuck-up trend-followers use OS X.

There's the simple truth, folks! We can stop these nonsensical OS wars now!!!

You're welcome for opening your eyes. =)

[thepentaxianmkii]

While I will admit that sadly, this is mostly true (regarding OS X), for users who understand the difference between monolithic and hybrid kernel architecture, a *nix based system is much more desirable. Another thing many Windows users fail to recognize is that OS X and Linux offer a much more robust command line experience, appealing again to the advanced user. Also, Apple holds their hardware to much higher standards, which is the only reason I didn't just build my first two OS X machines.

[yellowknifeandfork]

If Apple were as widely used as PC you can bet that they would have to produce hardware quicker, thus leading to having hardware failure. Given the fact that the Gates empire has such a stranglehold in the OS market, and that the average user could give a shit less about kernel architecture, or command line experience, Windows will always be the most widely accepted.

[Jarige2]

Hmm, I do think thats changing. There are more and more Linux users every day. And Ubuntu and Windows get better every release. There are more and more features stolen from Linux and Apple and put in Windows. So we'll see what happens. Canonical plans to lower Ubuntu's boot time to about 10 seconds as of 10.04 (april 2010). I do find that very convenient :) Sounds promising :)

And btw, Gates is no longer the CEO of the company. Its that FUD machine Steve Ballmer I think.

[Rifalltoo]

@yellowknifeandfork that's retarded. Apple assembles the parts. Intel still makes the processors, and AMD makes the graphics cards. So by your logic, since their parts (intel's and AMD's) should be experiencing failure all around, which mean Mac should be experiencing hardware failure already.

Here's the difference. If you get a Mac with a bad processor, just get it replaced under 9 month warentee.

[Molo9000]

"People with real lives whose time is valuable"

That's the exact description of OS X users.

OS X isn't just very efficient to work with (Expose FTW!), it also causes much less trouble. (very stable, no viruses, no driver problems, easier trouble shooting, etc.)

If you want to save time, get a mac!

(and don't post comments on utube :P)

All Windows is good for these days is gaming.

[Jarige2]

I really agree with this :)

But did you know there's also an expose look-a-like in Linux? Ubuntu has Compiz Fusion installed by default. It has the Scale effect, which looks and acts a lot like expose.

I really really love it :)

[Jarige2]

My Linux worked out-of-the-box and so did my brothers' Linux.

Shut up and get facts.

[CyB3Rmx]

ubuntu Sucks!! Use real linux.. like Fedora..

[KiarFuZzy]

Pointless .... so what if ubuntu starts with 5 seconds faster ?

Try to change the refresh rate to 85 hz in ubuntu , takes about half an hour to find the documentation and if you ar lucky it will work if not you probly mess up the xorg config an it will take an other half hour to find what is going wrong ...

In windows with 4-5 clicks is done ...

This is just an example of many things that are breaking very often in linux , and most of the time you fix different things in linux .

Sry for bad eng

[0xdwabece]

OMG, linux is not for idiots.. that's the main thing. It's {also} for pepole who WANT TO PLAY with their computer, who want to discover and aren't afraid of reading.

[KiarFuZzy]

I-am not an idiot... Ihad it instaled for about 2 months, because of the desktop effects, but in time i seen that the effects are not worting. I can see what you find so cool on reading 10 pagees op crap to find a solution to a litle problem , and most of the time you rede like 10 20 pages to solve an issue and find out that it can't be fixed.....

So i don't see whai ubuntu claims that is an user frendly os..., maby it is untill you want to change somting ...

[SeikoPsycho]

KiarFuZzy:

SO TRUE!!!!!

[dasniper89]

still an idiot as you just don't know how to use it and yet u QQ omg it sux cuz idk what im doing

[str33nz]

"Ihad it instaled for about 2 months, because of the desktop effects"

Thats hilarious. No one gives what you think about linux, because if you switched your OS solely because of DESKTOP EFFECTS, then that makes you look like a complete idiot.

Yea Linux isnt for a noob such as yourself, but for someone actually willing and able to learn their way around it, once its configured to your specifications it works fine, and doesnt lock up like XP seemed to do to me at least once a week

Fucking noob

[KiarFuZzy]

Whay would i stay that long cfg linux when in win i can do that with a few clicks and no need to read 10 pages to do a little thing . I don't understeand what you "linux guys" do in windows that screw up the pc ? i admit i had some errors in xp in 5 ears but not nearly half the errors i got in linux in 2 months. Now i have windows 7 for 2-3 months and i haven't got any errors, just some little bugs. so if you don't have a server to use linux with it i don't see the point of instaling linux.

[Jarige2]

Just get your computer/laptop preinstalled with Ubuntu. You won't need to configure anything this way. Research shows that Ubuntu is far more easier to learn then Windows for people who have never learned how to use computers.

But heck, I've wasted a lot of time reconfiguring Windows computers to pick up my hardware too. I don't really see any difference in hardware compatibility there.

[fishcomputer33]

you got ubuntu cause of visual effects? There's a better reason to get it than that. Yes ubuntu is user friendly... compared to other Linux distros :]

[KiarFuZzy]

I am 100% sure that the newest linux users installed linux because of the visual effects ...and most of the after a couple of months realise that they will be board of them and swich back to windows. I don't say linux is not a good os, maybe is more stable than win, but the lack of software being developt by the major companis is why is so darn hard to use. Maby if all the people who make diferent distro's will unite and make just one distro, it will result in a fine os.

[nlvg6585]

it would be a great OS.

[UDOWN4SUMREALTALK]

no 1 uses linux u fuckin dolt go get a real OS like xbox360

[fishcomputer33]

Wow you shouldn't post on this video if you dont even know what a OS is -_-. Xbox 360 is a game console not a operating system.

[ToxeCryz]

You are compering 2 operation systems with the

BOOT TIME ? WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE !

[lazydonovan]

I'm not sure what the point of a boot time test would be. If your life is so harried that 20-30 seconds difference between boot times (note: according to bondavi, they boot about 1 second apart) is make or break, you seriously need to re-evaluate everything.

[huhokay]

I'm more worried about how long it takes for all apps to initialize.

[mfraz74]

With Windows you've got no idea how much longer you have to wait for it to boot, with the progress bar in Ubuntu you've got a pretty good idea how it is progressing.

[rsvamri]

I wonder how Mac OS X would do on your machine... ;P

[NaltyBlade]

he might enjoy playing games ;)

[hastouki]

OS X boots awesome fast

[dubendorfy]

thats about all it does

[Luky1Jay]

you would pick 1 OS over another because it has a nicer bootup screen? You sir, are an idiot.

[Uresu]

Plymouth is what creates the fancy booting on Fedora, it's available for any linux kernel, you just have to configure it

[KelwingTheDruid]

was ubuntu using the ext 3 or 4 filesystem? I've seen huge improvements in boot time with ext4 from ext3.

[bondavi]

ext4

[binolar]

what time they did?

[bondavi]

Ubuntu 38 sec, windows 39 sec

+1 sec

(Ubuntu load compiz and windows load avira and weather gadget)