Some foreigners wrote the Japanese rape stories in documents during the war. However, these cases were what these Westerners heard about from the Chinese. After Minnie Vautrin wrote it, Chinese officers were caught by police for rape crimes. This story was written in an article of the New York Times on January 4, 1938. After they were caught, conspicuous cases of rape, looting and other atrocities did not take place. Therefore, these crimes were definitely caused by the Chinese.
China has no right to accuse Japan of crimes such as the Nanking Massacre because the massacre was made up story using fabricated evidence. Obviously what China says is pure fiction! Demonstration of this story by the Chinese government is libel and slander. It is natural that Japanese raising an objection.
)More than 1,200,000 people were massacred since being unfairly annexed to Communist China in 1955. The very Communist China declared that the problem of Tibet is a problem relating to domestic affairs and refused the interference of the foreign nations. On the other hand, the CCP is loudly denouncing the 'Nanking Massacre' which had been insisted on its happening more than seventy years ago, but not even clearly defined.
China has no right to accuse Japan of crimes such as the Nanking Massacre because the massacre was made up story using fabricated evidence. Obviously what China says is pure fiction! Demonstration of this story by the Chinese government is libel and slander. It is natural that Japanese raising an objection.
One of the pictures shows "The Chinese citizens did not fear the Japanese and willingly cooperated with me for photo-taking," testified the press photographer Shinju Sato. The photo was taken in Nanking Safety Zone on December 15, 1937, two days after the occupation of Nanking.
@ec97531 (Part1)But you can't show any conclusive evidence for us. You wish the Japanese commited many crimes during the war in China. On the other hand, we always show conclusive evidence like this. Chinese government has fabricated many pictures about the Nanking Massacre because they created a false story about that.
A photo has displayed at the Nanking Massacre Museum. The caption said, "The Japanese rounded up thousands of women.
@undertakerRach conclusive evidence? You are telling me your stupid logic is conclusive evidence? pffff...You are silly. You can only fool yourself and other Japanese.
@ec97531 (Part2)Most of them were gang raped or forced into military prostitution. But this photo appeared in the Asahi Graph, a weekly photo journal, published in Japan on Nov 10, 1937, about one month before Nanking battle. The explanation says, "A group of women and children from the Rising Sun Village returning from the fields, guarded by our soldiers."
■“China's Textbooks Twist and Omit History by Howard W. French. New York Times on December 5, 2004.
Most Chinese students finish high school convinced that their country has fought wars only in self-defense, never aggressively or in conquest, despite the People's Liberation Army's invasion of Tibet in 1950 and the ill-fated war with Vietnam in 1979, to take two examples. Similarly, many believe that Japan was defeated largely as a result of Chinese resistance, not by the United States.
The Nanking Massacre was a false story which was created by KMT. We can't any conclusive evidence of that. Moreover, most of the pictures of the Nanking Massacre were created by Chinese government. High computer technology has already revealed their lies.
@undertakerRach1 You want to do the same "copy paste spam shit" technique like undertakerRach, didn't you? LOL, will there be undertakerRach2, undertakerRach3, and so on?
Typical Japanese cannot face the atrocities their ancestor did.
In Tibet in 1950, CIA of US engaged in Tibet affairs already , if China didn't do anything, Tibet would be lost permanently.
Don't people remember, in WW2 U.S. official propaganda film recognised Chinese sovereignty in Outer, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, Tibet and Chinese Turkistan as Chinese Empire. That time China was ruled by KMT not CCP of course.
In 1950 in Tibet , China was to solidify the unification of China once again before Britain, US, Russian laid hands in the area anxiously.
1979 the war with Vietnam was a pre-empitve action against Vietnam aggressions on Chinese borders and a punitive action for Vietnam aggression in Laos and Cambodia.
Is it what US is doing to Iraq, Iran, Afganistan or maybe N. Korea ?
And now British and French military actions in Libaya under the great name of UN ?
■“China's Textbooks Twist and Omit History by Howard W. French. New York Times on December 5, 2004.
Most Chinese students finish high school convinced that their country has fought wars only in self-defense, never aggressively or in conquest, despite the People's Liberation Army's invasion of Tibet in 1950 and the ill-fated war with Vietnam in 1979, to take two examples. Similarly, many believe that Japan was defeated largely as a result of Chinese resistance, not by the United States.
Wow so the lying mexican bitch is copy & pasting here too, well well well guess it is time to remove the dirt! If you are tired of reading Japanese rightwing comments, join in, in the growing number of people who are not putting up with that, but marking this garbage as SPAM so that one is not forced to read this Japanese propaganda. These people have nothing to say, they just copy & paste, as they are just out to spam and piss people off. STOP RIGHTWING IDIOTS! All help welcome!
(Part2)If there had been slaughter in Nanking of a magnitude so great (300,000 civilian victims) as to prompt the description “holocaust of the century,” there is not the slightest chance that he would have been silent on the matter.
(Part1)Chinese Communist Party Chairman Mao Zedong never referred to a massacre in Nanking. He made exactly one mention of the Battle of Nanking during a lecture delivered at Yan’an six months after the conflict, reproduced in On Protracted War. Chairman Mao criticized the Japanese for failing to annihilate Chinese troops after having surrounded them.
There were no foreign reporters in Nanking since 16th December, 1937 if North China Daily News published those peaceful photos eleven days later those must be photos taken by Japanese reporters for propaganda purpose relayed to them.
North China Daily News was published in Shanghai it was already occupied by Japanese army in full control a month earlier and under censorship by Japan army authority. You wouldn't find anything published that spoil Japanese army image in Shanghai.
One of the pictures shows that Japanese soldiers gave gifts to Chinese citizens in Nanking. Photo from the British newspaper North China Daily News, published in China in English on December 24, 1937, eleven days after the Japanese occupation of Nanking.
(Part2)If there had been slaughter in Nanking of a magnitude so great (300,000 civilian victims) as to prompt the description “holocaust of the century,” there is not the slightest chance that he would have been silent on the matter.
The Nanking Masacre was a false story. Not only this reason I can't find any conclusive evidence over the Nanking Massacre.
(Part1)Chinese Communist Party Chairman Mao Zedong never referred to a massacre in Nanking. He made exactly one mention of the Battle of Nanking during a lecture delivered at Yan’an six months after the conflict, reproduced in On Protracted War. Chairman Mao criticized the Japanese for failing to annihilate Chinese troops after having surrounded them.
According the NYT, a teacher said a blistering pace, during a lecture on China's relations with the world from 1929 to 1939 in one of this country's, Japan decided to pursue its own longtime desire for a continental empire, and attacked China. I heard teachers have used 1937 pictures which showed the fake of Nanking Massacre.
That’s why what Chinese people in youtube said were so one-sided.
@undertakerRach Yes, I did. So you should stop your copy paste spam shit. btw, who's paying you and how much do you get to whitewashing Japanese military history on youtube?
@undertakerRach Again, you are not writing any comments. You are copy paste your spam shit again and again.
So you are trying to lie 100 times in order to make your lie comes true, huh? LOL!!! Good luck, you can only fool yourself and some Japanese, but not another people.
(Part2)Between two countries at war there was always a danger that one or other of the combatants would seek to turn public opinion in his favors by resort to a propaganda in which incidents, inseparable alas - from all hostilities, were magnified and distorted for the express purpose of inflaming prejudice and passion and obscuring the real issues of the conflict.
(Part1)In the U.K., the Nanking battle became public criticism, too. Referring it, Sir Charles Addis mentioned at Chatham House on November 10, 1938, as follows:
Japanese rightists see but not apprehend and twist interpretation of facts and say otherwise. Their intention is a downright denial of massacre facts.
The Japanese killed many Chinese people? I don’t think so. John Rabe sent a letter of appreciation to the commander of Japanese army on Dec. 14 1937. This is the letter.
「Dear Sirs. We express our appreciation to your artillery’s praiseworthy act of having not attacked the safety zone and for becoming able to communicate with you (commander Matsui) about the future plan for supporting Chinese citizens in the same area. 」 (Stenography No.210).
@undertakerRach You are clearly commenting based on one piece of information. Have you considered that letter may be politically biased. Are you saying all those victims and those japanese soldiers are lying? They are just saying it for fun. How dare you. There are thousands of evidence proving Nanking massacre are true. Please be considerate of the victims before you have some solid evidences. BTW, I was wondering do you even understand the dialogues from these videos?
@rhs003300 (Part1)Chinese victims couldn’t receive any medical treatment for they had no money. The Chinese government said, “You can get free medical treatment in hospitals if you said Japanese injured you.” That’s why; poor Chinese claimed “we were hurt by Japanese.” That’s why there are only verbal declarations in China. On the other hand, the Chinese government can’t hand in any conclusive evidence to the academic research investigation now.
@rhs003300 (Part2)According to the ejcjs articles, the majority of academic research on the Nanjing Incident has been opened, some the Japanese, the Chinese and people who are speaking English have been attended the conference. Of the three language groups, Japanese has produced the most sophisticated research, with the debate in English lagging decades behind.
@rhs003300 (Part3) The Chinese language materials are the collections of various primary sources, including the recollections of many of the Chinese military personnel. However, these Chinese collections show no evidence of any vigorous critical attempt to distinguish between valid primary materials and other materials: photographs, for instance, which are known to be fabricated, or from different areas and different times, (Continue to Part4)
@undertakerRach You are a false story! Who is paying you to spam wholesale so many videos? There are so many that have been spammed by you that, it must be a full time job. Also stop lying that YOU write anything, as it is obvious that you only copy & paste, people do know the differance, and your so called "comments" are repeated too often in the exact same wording that even the blindest see it is copy & paste. But don´t worry "Team Anti Jap-Spam" will see to it that your crap is removed!
@rhs003300 (Part4)continue to be used to "prove" Japanese guilt in the winter of 1937-38 at Nanjing.
If you have conclusive evidence about the Nanking Massacre, you should give it to Chinese governmnet because they are in trouble! They can't show any conclusive evidence about that.
@undertakerRach We have survivor testimony, independent testimony, Japanese testimony, dead bodies, photographic evidence and written evidence, distorting the truth of Nanking Massacre is absurd.
All these Germen must followed Nazi Party line in alliance with Japan so they wouldn't talk anything bad about Japan (even Japan committed crimes in atrocity).
This is just common sense.
Now today's Japanese Rightists want to twist the fact of atrocity and say Chinese the victims are liars because those Japanese war criminals and their descendents are still in power in Japan politics untill today.
@Thak11 ■(Part1)John Rabe was a member of international Safety Zone Committee in Nanking. Many Chinese people said he was a witness of the Nanking Massacre with confidence. However, he had never witnessed even one case of murder. In spite of that, he sent many reports to Hitler and wrote the stories to his diary. In fact, his diary and reports to Germany were written different number of victims. Why?
@Thak11 (Part2)For Fear of counter objections, he reported to the Japanese authorities in Nanking city the number of casualties to be 49 based on some extent of reliable information. But on the other hand, to journalists, German diplomats and A. Hitler who were all absent in Nanking, he reported figures with an enormous difference, as if no less than tens of thousands civilians had been killed by Japanese troops. Why did Rabe make a false report of the massacre to Hitler?
@T (Part3)According to German historian Gerhard Krebs, the reason was based on power politics in his German homeland. “Defeated and depressed in World War I, Germany knew that china was a significant trade partner. Particularly Chiang Kai-shek, who was fighting against the CCP, needed a large number of weapons, while Germany was able to import raw materials that were indispensable for the postwar reconstruction.” The Sino-Japanese War forced Germany to reconsider its foreign policy toward China.
@Thak11 (Part4)The Japanese government repeatedly demanded that Germany stop the export of weapons to Japan's enemy Chiang Kai-shek. As the result, Hitler decided to take advantage of containment against the Soviet Union by promoting strong relationship with Japan. Germany refrained from exporting weapons to the Chiang Kai-shek. (In fact, it was in l940 when Germany reached an agreement with Japan.)There were someone strongly resisted the change of policy taken by Hitler.
@Thak11 (Part5)They were Von Falkenhausen, the head of the military advisory group in China, and Rabe, who represented an interest of Siemens in the Chinese munitions industry as a pro-Chinese group. Rabe exaggerated the Japanese Army’s atrocities and requested Hitler to reconsider the alliance with Japan. Rabe's anti-Japanese reports had been thought suspicious since then.
@Thak11 (Part6)Moreover, P. Scharfienberg, the secretary general of the German Embassy to China, who returned to Nanking city on January 9, tried to investigate the fact about 'Japanese Army's atrocities Rabe reported' by himself, and wrote to the German Embassy at Hankow on February 10: “He [Rabe] is still actively trying to counter the bloody excesses of Japanese looters, which have unfortunately increased of late.
@Thak11 (Part7)To my mind, this should not concern us Germans, particularly since one can clearly see that the Chinese, once left to depend solely on the Japanese, immediately fraternize. And as for all these excesses, one hears only one side of it, after all.”
That report is called untrustworthy story after people defined the fact.
There were many victims died before Rabae's own eyes and talked to him before his death while he was roaming around in the city and he sent them to Nanking hospitals. So are these just hearsays as you said.
Rabae's report of Japanese atrocities in Nanking was in contradiction to Germany's alliance with Japan in the war, so even he himself was arrested for interrogation in his return to Germany. However that did not mean that his report was not valuable or was not genuine .
@Thak11 (Part1)John Rabe was a member of international Safety Zone Committee in Nanking. Many Chinese people said he was a witness of the Nanking Massacre with confidence. However, he had never witnessed even one case of murder. In spite of that, he sent many reports to Hitler and wrote the stories to his diary. In fact, his diary and reports to Germany were written different number of victims. Why?
@Thak11 (Part2)For Fear of counter objections, he reported to the Japanese authorities in Nanking city the number of casualties to be 49 based on some extent of reliable information. But on the other hand, to journalists, German diplomats and A. Hitler who were all absent in Nanking, he reported figures with an enormous difference, as if no less than tens of thousands civilians had been killed by Japanese troops. Why did Rabe make a false report of the massacre to Hitler?
@T (Part3)According to German historian Gerhard Krebs, the reason was based on power politics in his German homeland. “Defeated and depressed in World War I, Germany knew that china was a significant trade partner. Particularly Chiang Kai-shek, who was fighting against the CCP, needed a large number of weapons, while Germany was able to import raw materials that were indispensable for the postwar reconstruction.” The Sino-Japanese War forced Germany to reconsider its foreign policy toward China.
@Thak11 (Part4)The Japanese government repeatedly demanded that Germany stop the export of weapons to Japan's enemy Chiang Kai-shek. As the result, Hitler decided to take advantage of containment against the Soviet Union by promoting strong relationship with Japan. Germany refrained from exporting weapons to the Chiang Kai-shek. (In fact, it was in l940 when Germany reached an agreement with Japan.)There were someone strongly resisted the change of policy taken by Hitler.
@Thak11 (Part5)They were Von Falkenhausen, the head of the military advisory group in China, and Rabe, who represented an interest of Siemens in the Chinese munitions industry as a pro-Chinese group. Rabe exaggerated the Japanese Army’s atrocities and requested Hitler to reconsider the alliance with Japan. Rabe's anti-Japanese reports had been thought suspicious since then.
@Thak11 (Part6)Moreover, P. Scharfienberg, the secretary general of the German Embassy to China, who returned to Nanking city on January 9, tried to investigate the fact about 'Japanese Army's atrocities Rabe reported' by himself, and wrote to the German Embassy at Hankow on February 10: “He [Rabe] is still actively trying to counter the bloody excesses of Japanese looters, which have unfortunately increased of late.
@Thak11 (Part7)To my mind, this should not concern us Germans, particularly since one can clearly see that the Chinese, once left to depend solely on the Japanese, immediately fraternize. And as for all these excesses, one hears only one side of it, after all.”
That report is called untrustworthy story after people defined the fact.
Rabe accepted thousands of Chinese soldiers into Safety Zone at first after consultation with Japanese army officers who promised these people would not be executed as long as they gave up their uniforms and weaponry. The fact was Japanese betrayed their promise but took thousands of men away for execution. Rabe regreted a lot on that.
@Thak11 ■(Part1)It was clearly proved by their testimonies at the IMTFE that no committee members had witnessed 'illegal murders by Japanese soldiers at all. O. Wilson, who made many testimonies as to atrocities, did admit that all of his testimonies were hearsay. Magee, who lived with Bates and worked for the Safety Zone Committee, testified that he had just eye-witnessed only one case.
@Thak11 (Part2)As a matter of fact, neither Rabe nor other westerners of the Safety Zone Committee members, who might have been able to walk around freely in the city with Nazi Swastika armband on, had ever witnessed illegal murders by Japanese soldiers during six weeks.
(Part3)In February, as the Osaka Asahi Shinbun reported, the Japanese military arrested eleven hiding Chinese soldiers who had committed numerous atrocities in Nanking, speaking Japanese and wearing counterfeit of Japanese translator's armband to pose as Japanese. After they were caught, conspicuous cases of rape, looting and other atrocities did not take place. The Chinese have accused Japan about the rape crimes during the war. However, these crimes were definitely caused by the Chinese.
(Part2)About two weeks later, as mentioned in the New York Times on January 4, 1938, Vautrin and other Ginling College professors got to know that the Chinese officers harbored by them had repeatedly raped in the Nanking Safety Zone and then blamed Japanese soldiers for their attacks. The New York Times reported, “(the) American professors…were seriously embarrassed to discover (it).” So would Rabe and McCallum have been.
(Part1)Minnie Vautrin, a professor at the college, wrote 100 girls were raped by Japanese soldiers in her diary on Dec 16, 1937. Also, John Rabe, the leader of the Nanking Safety Zone, wrote in 17th that 1,000 women and girls are said to have been raped last night. James McCallum, a medical doctor in Nanking, wrote about rape crimes in his diary in 19th. However, these cases of rape were what these Westerners heard about from Chinese people.
Iris Chang provided concrete evidences and reliable sources in writing her book "The Rape of Nanking". She spent whole lot of effort in her research for her book. In her book you can find numerous references other people and scholars can dig into. She introduced John Rabe's diaries which recorded Japanese war crimes and his adminstration of Safety Zone.
I support free speech, but some of these films and books about Nanking Massacre are not allowed (or not taken ) to release in Japan completely. Some of these are not permitted in Japan unless excerpts not preferrable to Japan are eliminated or edited.
Releasers of these films and books normally would be intimidated by Rightist Japaneses.
I support free speech, but some of these films and books about Nanking Massacre are not allowed (or not taken ) to release in Japan completely. Some of these are not permitted in Japan unless excerpts not preferrable to Japan are eliminated or edited.
Releasers of these films and books normally would be intimidated by Rightist Japaneses.
(Part2)It has been pointed out that what she wrote and the photos in her book were not related to the so-called Nanking Massacre. She shot herself by pistol and died in 2004. The London Economist magazine commented that she had committed suicide perhaps because her book was much criticized and she was deeply depressed about it.
■(Part1)Recently, a Chinese American named Iris Chang wrote a book entitled, The Rape of Nanking. It tells about the brutal massacre by the Japanese in Nanking. It became a bestseller in the USA and other countries, and spread the lie of the Nanking Massacre. Later, Chang’s book was much criticized by many other authors.
@ec97531 In the U.K., the Nanking battle became public criticism, too. Referring it, Charles Addis mentioned on Nov 10, 1938, as follows: Between two countries at war there was always a danger that one or other of the combatants would seek to turn public opinion in his favors by resort to a propaganda in which incidents, inseparable alas - from all hostilities, were magnified and distorted for the express purpose of inflaming prejudice and passion and obscuring the real issues of the conflict.
@ec97531 (Part1)”Conflict Prevention and Confidence Building Measures between Japan and China” by Vice Admiral (Ret.) Fumio Ota, Ph.D. Published on January 5th, 2009 ARTICLES
Chinese leaders always say to Japanese leaders that Japan should look at history as a mirror. It means that Japan should not forget her brutal actions against China during the Sino-Japanese conflict in the late 1930s and the beginning of the 1940s. However, since this period Japan and China have changed considerably.
@ec97531 (Part2)Today, the China is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party and the Japan is democracy. While history should not be forgotten, we must also judge a country by its current actions. A recent survey of world public opinion from 2005 to 2007 found that Japan is the country most widely viewed as having a positive influence, which is helped by the fact that Japan has never used military power as a means for settling international conflicts after 1945.
@ec97531 (Part3)Since the People's Republic of China was established in 1949, the frequency of its use of military forces reaches the double digits. On average, China has used military power every several years. In all cases, except for its support of North Vietnam war against South Vietnam, China has used force preemptively. China attacked the opponent first after careful preparation, whereas the opponent suffered from a surprise attack.
@ec97531 Why don't you point out which issues show Japanese government has tried whitewashing people?
You are accusing Japan with "whitewashing, th Nanking Massacre was happened by Japanese solders and LOL and so on. However you have not showed any conclusive evidence to us.
@ec97531 (Part1)Mao who was a leader of CPC finally caught Chiang Kai-shek who was a leader of KMT. They struggled jointly against Japan. This is called the Second United Front, which means the alliance between KMT and CCP during the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. Therefore, China shelled into the Japanese camp 4 times in July 7, 1937 10:40 PM. The Marco Polo Bridge Incident often used as the marker for the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War.
@ec97531 (Part2)Definitely, Chinese military shot first! The Chinese Guangdong Province newspaper which name is 羊城晩報said, ”There was an article in戦士政治読本, which were war pamphlets. These pamphlets were delivered in area of Chinese Communist in China. The Pamphlets said Liu Shaoqi (劉少奇), he was Chinese guy, started the Marco Polo Incident.
@ec97531 (Part3)Moreover, New York Times, July 8, 1937, (Page1 and 15) said, “300 of Chinese instigators and plain soldiers were trying to do political maneuvering around the Japanese camp.” After the Chinese first attack, Japanese Army adopted a policy of localizing. They kept a no-expansion policy. However, Chinese attacked Japanese again at 3:25 AM.
@ec97531 (Part4)Therefore, Japanese troops finally launched a counterattack against China in July 8, 5:30 AM. In short, Japanese troops launched a counterattack which was started 7 hours later from the first attack. Japan’s enemy was the KMT, not China. In fact, there were three Chinese governments in China. Chinese society was chaotic. Don’t forget that the U.S and England attacked the Nanking city in China as the same reason as Japan in 1927.
@ec97531 (Part5)Why don't answer my questions? Show me your conclusive evidence of the Nanking Massacre was caused by the Japanese.
Chinese victims couldn’t receive any medical treatment for they had no money. The Chinese government said, “You can get free medical treatment in hospitals if you said Japanese injured you.” That’s why; poor Chinese claimed “we were hurt by Japanese.” That’s why there are only verbal declarations in China.
虹橋空港事件, Cap.Ohyama Incident, happened on Aug 9, 1937. He was killed by Chinese military near the Shanghai Air Port. After he was killed, Chinese military reported that a Japanese military car entered into the airport, and Cap Ohyama and his driver shot a Chinese soldier. However, according to the book which is called "Mao: The Unknown Story", General 張治中(Zhāng Zhìzhōng)in KMT committed well- organized laid trap.
@ec97531 (Part2)Zhāng put his troops out of the airport and a Chinese death-row convict who was worn a Chinese military uniform. In short, Chinese made a show Japanese kill Chinese first. In addition, Japanese Cap. Ohyama and his driver's shoes, watches and wallets were stolen by Chinese. Then, Aug 13, Chinese shot machineguns to Japanese living area.
@ec97531 (Part3)New York Times on Aug 30, 1937 said, any Japanese soldiers had not gone to outside from barracks when they were under the greatest Chinese provocation.
Moreover, In Sep 16, New York Herald Tribune newspaper said Chinese military provoke the war against Japanese was a fact about which there was no room for doubt. This was the trigger of the Battle of Shanghai.
3 Chinese inhabitants in the film are in shirts with half sleeves in the cold wintertime. A piece of paper which says 'Three People's Principles' is on the chest of a woman who is being buried alive, but Japanese do not have such a way of thinking. On the other hand, this custom was still observed in the 1930s in China. The whole things are forged pictures!
1 An officer is taking a woman by force. His epaulet is different from that of the Japanese officer. The medal he wears on the breast is not of the Japanese Army in terms of design.
2 A man wears a revolver belt. But, the then Japanese soldiers don't wear it, since they didn't use a revolver. Also, he doesn't wear a saber but a parade sword. But, in war, a parade sword has never been used.
(Part1)People should be careful to watch Chinese propaganda which has been shown Japanese atrocity. I’d like to show a film which is called The Battle of China. This wartime propaganda film is directed by Frank Capra, American famous director of 1930's, and comes out in l944. In the film, there are ten-second scenes of the description of Nanking Massacre. However, these can hardly be the true description, because of the following reasons.
(Part3)”No happened so called the Nanking massacre. I hope Gen. Matsui will forgive me for that in heaven. Mr. He Yingqin is here, he must have written the fact in military reports. I didn’t hear any massacre story at that time. Gen Matsui was executed by a false charge.” Mr. Tanaka wrote this story in 2001.
(Part2)Of course Chiang was the Kuomintang (KMT) troop commander in China, so in other words, relations between the two persons, Mr. Tanaka and Chiang, were hostile in the Nanking battle. When Chaing heard the name Matui Iwane, he suddenly turned pale, shake his hands, have tears well in his red eyes, and he said,
(Part1)Mr. Tanaka was one of the members of Japanese Mission to the Taiwan in Sep 1966. He had opportunity of interview with Chiang Kai-shek. At the interview, Mr. Tanaka said he had met Chiang when he was a secretary of Matsui Iwane. As you know Matsui Iwane was a Japanese troop commander of the Nanking battle in 1937.
The Chinese should never forget what the Japanese had done to them in China. Chinese were targeted - women raped, children tossed and bayonet publicly. The Japanese believed that by sure brutality will the Chinese or the "cina" people be subdued. But they were wrong, dead wrong. By failing to admit their mistakes in China like the German did to the Jews, history will definitely going to repeat itself. And this time round, I am pretty sure the Jap will be extinct from the surface of the earth.
@AHHUAT2 Timperley was paid by the Ministry of Information in China for writing the book "What War Means". The book was written about the Japanese atrocity. Zeng Xubai, then chief of the international propaganda division, said in his autobiography (vol. I, p. 201) that the central propaganda bureau funded the publication of Timperly’s What War Means and Lewis S. C. Smythe’s War Damages in the Nanking Area. Both of these books must have Chinese propaganda books.
Uniquely, the Japanese hopes to change the fact of history with little detailed changes to evidences and facts, in the hope to alter the genuine of the event. Just like the rest of the world never apologised to Japan for the 2 punishing atomic bombs thrown to Hiro and Naka (when there was in fact no need for the American to do so). So by not admitting the crime of history, I fear that the Japanese people would finally suffer again in their own hand.
Maybe this time, Japan will let Russian and the Korean have the final opportunity to finish them off what they didn't manage to have the time and weapons to wipe Japan from the surface of the earth the last time. So do continue to deny the atrocities the Japanese imperialism did to North Asia and South East Asia.
Asian don't hate the Japanese, neither fear them. But hope the Jap know what they are doing to themselves. But with the aging population, Japan is wiping themselves.
@AHHUAT2 The Nanking Massacre was a false story. Why Chinese government could not prove the murder of 340,000 when the IMTFE was opened?
Most of comments which are written by Chinese does not have any logical (historical) points. They have just piled up scornful language against Japanese here. This is the China.
@undertakerRach "...doesn't have any logical historical points"? LOL!!! Do you know the difference between REAL and LOGICAL? We only care about the real history, not the logical history. hahaha... You are learning from me again.
(Part2)"Shortly before eight o'clock Colonels Lung and Chow arrive (Ling has marched off by now) and ask if they can take shelter in my house. I agree. Before Han and I left for home, these two gentlemen deposited 30,000 dollars in the committee's safe." (The Good Man of Nanking, p.64.)Is this a illegal act or not?
@undertakerRach LOL!!! Why don't you answer my question, dude? The book that says Timperley "spread out many false Japanese rumors as a member", What page that is in?
You are liar, you are fabricating story again. pffff...
■(Part1)According to Rabe's diary, at that time those Chinese in the Safety Zone, were limited to persons who could communicate with Rabe in the Safety Zone. Only those who could speak in either English or German were the Chinese staff that helped work in the Safety Zone Committee and Chinese officers, Colonel Lung and Chow. Rabe was recording about Chinese officers in his diary as follows:
@Thak11 Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (中國社會科學院) edited a book which was called a Modern Foreigners Biographical Dictionary (近代来華外国人名辞典) in 1981. The dictionary said Timparly joined a member of the Chinese propaganda section in KMT after the Marco Polo Incident occurred on July 7, 1937. And then he backed to in Europe and North America, and spread out many false Japanese rumors as a member. Then he was promoted to be an adviser of the Chinese propaganda section. You didn't know this fact?
Timperley was paid by the Ministry of Information in China for writing the book "What War Means". The book was written about the Japanese atrocity. Zeng Xubai, then chief of the international propaganda division, said in his autobiography (vol. I, p. 201) that the central propaganda bureau funded the publication of Timperly’s What War Means and Lewis S. C. Smythe’s War Damages in the Nanking Area. Both of these books must have Chinese propaganda books.
Japanese textbooks deny the sort of atrocities in Nanjiang, just consider how many Chinese POW s Japanese had taken custody in record, almost none because all Chinese of young and mature age in Nanjiang caught would be executed outside Nanjiang city if they were soldiers or not. About 90,000 Chinese soldiers defended Nanjiang with about 500,000 civilians before the fall of the city. After the fall if 200,000 people were kept inside the Safety Zone, then 300,000 people got killed was right.
■“China's Textbooks Twist and Omit History by Howard W. French. New York Times on December 5, 2004.
Most Chinese students finish high school convinced that their country has fought wars only in self-defense, never aggressively or in conquest, despite the People's Liberation Army's invasion of Tibet in 1950 and the ill-fated war with Vietnam in 1979, to take two examples. Similarly, many believe that Japan was defeated largely as a result of Chinese resistance, not by the United States.
147 pictures in question are much less in number against "Not Permitted" photos / videos recorded by Japanese reporters hold up by Japanese army authority amounted to thousands.
A photo has displayed at the Nanking Massacre Museum. The caption said, "The Japanese rounded up thousands of women. Most of them were gang raped or forced into military prostitution. But this photo appeared in the Asahi Graph, a weekly photo journal, published in Japan on Nov 10, 1937, about one month before Nanking battle. The explanation says, "A group of women and children from the Rising Sun Village returning from the fields, guarded by our soldiers."
Some foreigners wrote the Japanese rape stories in documents during the war. However, these cases were what these Westerners heard about from the Chinese. After Minnie Vautrin wrote it, Chinese officers were caught by police for rape crimes. This story was written in an article of the New York Times on January 4, 1938. After they were caught, conspicuous cases of rape, looting and other atrocities did not take place. Therefore, these crimes were definitely caused by the Chinese.
undertakerRach 1 month ago
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China has no right to accuse Japan of crimes such as the Nanking Massacre because the massacre was made up story using fabricated evidence. Obviously what China says is pure fiction! Demonstration of this story by the Chinese government is libel and slander. It is natural that Japanese raising an objection.
undertakerRach 3 months ago
本人是台灣人但就算在討厭中國人還是比不上對日本人的恨!看了真讓人心痛
ZERO35046 4 months ago
)More than 1,200,000 people were massacred since being unfairly annexed to Communist China in 1955. The very Communist China declared that the problem of Tibet is a problem relating to domestic affairs and refused the interference of the foreign nations. On the other hand, the CCP is loudly denouncing the 'Nanking Massacre' which had been insisted on its happening more than seventy years ago, but not even clearly defined.
undertakerrach02 5 months ago
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China has no right to accuse Japan of crimes such as the Nanking Massacre because the massacre was made up story using fabricated evidence. Obviously what China says is pure fiction! Demonstration of this story by the Chinese government is libel and slander. It is natural that Japanese raising an objection.
undertakerRach 5 months ago
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Why Chinese government paid money to Harold Timperley for writing book What War Means which was written about so-called the Nanking Massacre?
Why Mao didn't announce about the massacre in the international mass media conferences from 1937 to 1938?
Chinese people can't tell a lie.
undertakerRach 7 months ago
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One of the pictures shows "The Chinese citizens did not fear the Japanese and willingly cooperated with me for photo-taking," testified the press photographer Shinju Sato. The photo was taken in Nanking Safety Zone on December 15, 1937, two days after the occupation of Nanking.
undertakerRach 8 months ago
@undertakerRach Japanese edited those pictures.
LOL!!! I see an Idiot trying to whitewashes Japanese bloody militarism history.
ec97531 8 months ago
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@ec97531 (Part1)But you can't show any conclusive evidence for us. You wish the Japanese commited many crimes during the war in China. On the other hand, we always show conclusive evidence like this. Chinese government has fabricated many pictures about the Nanking Massacre because they created a false story about that.
A photo has displayed at the Nanking Massacre Museum. The caption said, "The Japanese rounded up thousands of women.
undertakerRach 8 months ago
@undertakerRach conclusive evidence? You are telling me your stupid logic is conclusive evidence? pffff...You are silly. You can only fool yourself and other Japanese.
Japan is a war crimes nation, a defeated nation.
ec97531 8 months ago
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@ec97531 Give me conclusive evidence about the Nanking Massacre. You don't need to write other words.
undertakerRach 8 months ago
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@ec97531 (Part2)Most of them were gang raped or forced into military prostitution. But this photo appeared in the Asahi Graph, a weekly photo journal, published in Japan on Nov 10, 1937, about one month before Nanking battle. The explanation says, "A group of women and children from the Rising Sun Village returning from the fields, guarded by our soldiers."
Chinese government is a liar!
undertakerRach 8 months ago
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■“China's Textbooks Twist and Omit History by Howard W. French. New York Times on December 5, 2004.
Most Chinese students finish high school convinced that their country has fought wars only in self-defense, never aggressively or in conquest, despite the People's Liberation Army's invasion of Tibet in 1950 and the ill-fated war with Vietnam in 1979, to take two examples. Similarly, many believe that Japan was defeated largely as a result of Chinese resistance, not by the United States.
undertakerRach 10 months ago
@undertakerRach Japan is a defeated nation.
ec97531 8 months ago
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The Nanking Massacre was a false story which was created by KMT. We can't any conclusive evidence of that. Moreover, most of the pictures of the Nanking Massacre were created by Chinese government. High computer technology has already revealed their lies.
undertakerRach1 11 months ago
@undertakerRach1 You want to do the same "copy paste spam shit" technique like undertakerRach, didn't you? LOL, will there be undertakerRach2, undertakerRach3, and so on?
Typical Japanese cannot face the atrocities their ancestor did.
ec97531 11 months ago
Even these days CIA may bribe writers on the net for propaganda purposes for the Tibet cause.
Thak11 11 months ago
Also this one :
CIA FILE DECLASSIFIED: Keep China annoyed by Tibet
Thak11 11 months ago
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see this youtube video : CIA & Tibet: irresponsible, selfish, dirty !
Thak11 11 months ago
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誰能告訴我:二次大戰後...為何政府沒有為人民向日本侵略者索取應有的賠償?
兩岸執政黨口口聲聲"為人民服務"...這方面真令人失望!!
民進黨對"臺灣慰安婦...釣魚台領土主權問題..."的軟弱態度.也是差勁的!!!
日本說"終戰"..."祭拜神社的戰犯"...."向台海兩岸爭權"....也許是有道理的?!
歷史課本為何也隻字不提???
是誰出賣了人民???
mrshyushyu 11 months ago
In Tibet in 1950, CIA of US engaged in Tibet affairs already , if China didn't do anything, Tibet would be lost permanently.
Don't people remember, in WW2 U.S. official propaganda film recognised Chinese sovereignty in Outer, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, Tibet and Chinese Turkistan as Chinese Empire. That time China was ruled by KMT not CCP of course.
Thak11 11 months ago
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@Thak11 Show me evidence the U.S engaged in Tibet affairs story.
undertakerRach 11 months ago
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In 1950 in Tibet , China was to solidify the unification of China once again before Britain, US, Russian laid hands in the area anxiously.
1979 the war with Vietnam was a pre-empitve action against Vietnam aggressions on Chinese borders and a punitive action for Vietnam aggression in Laos and Cambodia.
Is it what US is doing to Iraq, Iran, Afganistan or maybe N. Korea ?
And now British and French military actions in Libaya under the great name of UN ?
Thak11 11 months ago
undertakerRach is getting paid to whitewash Japanese militarism history.
Japan is a defeated nation.
ec97531 11 months ago
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■“China's Textbooks Twist and Omit History by Howard W. French. New York Times on December 5, 2004.
Most Chinese students finish high school convinced that their country has fought wars only in self-defense, never aggressively or in conquest, despite the People's Liberation Army's invasion of Tibet in 1950 and the ill-fated war with Vietnam in 1979, to take two examples. Similarly, many believe that Japan was defeated largely as a result of Chinese resistance, not by the United States.
undertakerRach 11 months ago
bitch are bitch mexican shit
we will get japan someday fuck
skystarlord 11 months ago 2
Wow so the lying mexican bitch is copy & pasting here too, well well well guess it is time to remove the dirt! If you are tired of reading Japanese rightwing comments, join in, in the growing number of people who are not putting up with that, but marking this garbage as SPAM so that one is not forced to read this Japanese propaganda. These people have nothing to say, they just copy & paste, as they are just out to spam and piss people off. STOP RIGHTWING IDIOTS! All help welcome!
Spuknapf2 11 months ago
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(Part2)If there had been slaughter in Nanking of a magnitude so great (300,000 civilian victims) as to prompt the description “holocaust of the century,” there is not the slightest chance that he would have been silent on the matter.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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(Part1)Chinese Communist Party Chairman Mao Zedong never referred to a massacre in Nanking. He made exactly one mention of the Battle of Nanking during a lecture delivered at Yan’an six months after the conflict, reproduced in On Protracted War. Chairman Mao criticized the Japanese for failing to annihilate Chinese troops after having surrounded them.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
There were no foreign reporters in Nanking since 16th December, 1937 if North China Daily News published those peaceful photos eleven days later those must be photos taken by Japanese reporters for propaganda purpose relayed to them.
North China Daily News was published in Shanghai it was already occupied by Japanese army in full control a month earlier and under censorship by Japan army authority. You wouldn't find anything published that spoil Japanese army image in Shanghai.
Thak11 1 year ago
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【Evaluation from every country in the world】
Japan: affirmative 57% negative20%
China: affirmative 44% negative38%
(BBC 2011)
jazztarou 1 year ago
@jazztarou Tell me why Japan doesn't have any friendly neighbor country.
ec97531 1 year ago
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One of the pictures shows that Japanese soldiers gave gifts to Chinese citizens in Nanking. Photo from the British newspaper North China Daily News, published in China in English on December 24, 1937, eleven days after the Japanese occupation of Nanking.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
中国∶明天用集会召开的活动网络第3次的号召 6日打算召开的寻求【北京·成泽健一】中国的政治改革的「中国茉莉花革命」集会号召在因特网上被写入。成为第3次的号召的此次,是全国人民代表大会的期间中。当局成为集会的召开和海外媒体采访的压住发急。 在海外的交流网站复数的号召被写入,由于最多东西中国本土的38城市的集合地方被表明了。只是北京有10处的号召。
0921yamato 1 year ago
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China is a maverick of the international society that do control of free speech.
jazztarou 1 year ago
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Chinese government(CCP) was taking part attack to Google server after all.
The attack to Google was an instruction of politburo(CCP).
(The New York Times November, 2010)
This is the actual condition of the Chinese government(CCP).
Chinese government (CCP) is good at operation of information.
jazztarou 1 year ago
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(Part2)If there had been slaughter in Nanking of a magnitude so great (300,000 civilian victims) as to prompt the description “holocaust of the century,” there is not the slightest chance that he would have been silent on the matter.
The Nanking Masacre was a false story. Not only this reason I can't find any conclusive evidence over the Nanking Massacre.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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(Part1)Chinese Communist Party Chairman Mao Zedong never referred to a massacre in Nanking. He made exactly one mention of the Battle of Nanking during a lecture delivered at Yan’an six months after the conflict, reproduced in On Protracted War. Chairman Mao criticized the Japanese for failing to annihilate Chinese troops after having surrounded them.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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According the NYT, a teacher said a blistering pace, during a lecture on China's relations with the world from 1929 to 1939 in one of this country's, Japan decided to pursue its own longtime desire for a continental empire, and attacked China. I heard teachers have used 1937 pictures which showed the fake of Nanking Massacre.
That’s why what Chinese people in youtube said were so one-sided.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach These two videos from US Discovery Channel indicating Nanking Massacre did happened.
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You can only fool yourself and some other Japanese, but not any other people.
Japan is a defeated nation.
ec97531 1 year ago
@ec97531 You told me before.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach Yes, I did. So you should stop your copy paste spam shit. btw, who's paying you and how much do you get to whitewashing Japanese military history on youtube?
ec97531 1 year ago
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@ec97531 I will stop writing my comments after China stop demonstarating the fake of Nanking.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach Again, you are not writing any comments. You are copy paste your spam shit again and again.
So you are trying to lie 100 times in order to make your lie comes true, huh? LOL!!! Good luck, you can only fool yourself and some Japanese, but not another people.
ec97531 1 year ago
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(Part2)Between two countries at war there was always a danger that one or other of the combatants would seek to turn public opinion in his favors by resort to a propaganda in which incidents, inseparable alas - from all hostilities, were magnified and distorted for the express purpose of inflaming prejudice and passion and obscuring the real issues of the conflict.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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(Part1)In the U.K., the Nanking battle became public criticism, too. Referring it, Sir Charles Addis mentioned at Chatham House on November 10, 1938, as follows:
undertakerRach 1 year ago
Japanese rightists see but not apprehend and twist interpretation of facts and say otherwise. Their intention is a downright denial of massacre facts.
Thak11 1 year ago
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Go ! 茉, 莉, 花, 革, 命!!
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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The Japanese killed many Chinese people? I don’t think so. John Rabe sent a letter of appreciation to the commander of Japanese army on Dec. 14 1937. This is the letter.
「Dear Sirs. We express our appreciation to your artillery’s praiseworthy act of having not attacked the safety zone and for becoming able to communicate with you (commander Matsui) about the future plan for supporting Chinese citizens in the same area. 」 (Stenography No.210).
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach You are clearly commenting based on one piece of information. Have you considered that letter may be politically biased. Are you saying all those victims and those japanese soldiers are lying? They are just saying it for fun. How dare you. There are thousands of evidence proving Nanking massacre are true. Please be considerate of the victims before you have some solid evidences. BTW, I was wondering do you even understand the dialogues from these videos?
rhs003300 1 year ago
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@rhs003300 (Part1)Chinese victims couldn’t receive any medical treatment for they had no money. The Chinese government said, “You can get free medical treatment in hospitals if you said Japanese injured you.” That’s why; poor Chinese claimed “we were hurt by Japanese.” That’s why there are only verbal declarations in China. On the other hand, the Chinese government can’t hand in any conclusive evidence to the academic research investigation now.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@rhs003300 (Part2)According to the ejcjs articles, the majority of academic research on the Nanjing Incident has been opened, some the Japanese, the Chinese and people who are speaking English have been attended the conference. Of the three language groups, Japanese has produced the most sophisticated research, with the debate in English lagging decades behind.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@rhs003300 (Part3) The Chinese language materials are the collections of various primary sources, including the recollections of many of the Chinese military personnel. However, these Chinese collections show no evidence of any vigorous critical attempt to distinguish between valid primary materials and other materials: photographs, for instance, which are known to be fabricated, or from different areas and different times, (Continue to Part4)
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach You are a false story! Who is paying you to spam wholesale so many videos? There are so many that have been spammed by you that, it must be a full time job. Also stop lying that YOU write anything, as it is obvious that you only copy & paste, people do know the differance, and your so called "comments" are repeated too often in the exact same wording that even the blindest see it is copy & paste. But don´t worry "Team Anti Jap-Spam" will see to it that your crap is removed!
Schlabberchen1 1 year ago
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@rhs003300 (Part4)continue to be used to "prove" Japanese guilt in the winter of 1937-38 at Nanjing.
If you have conclusive evidence about the Nanking Massacre, you should give it to Chinese governmnet because they are in trouble! They can't show any conclusive evidence about that.
The Nanking Massacre was a false story!
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach We have survivor testimony, independent testimony, Japanese testimony, dead bodies, photographic evidence and written evidence, distorting the truth of Nanking Massacre is absurd.
ec97531 1 year ago 2
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@ec97531 I have already told you all of your evidence does not work!
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach "You told me..."? LOL!!! didn't I told you that you are brainwashed by Japanese government?
ec97531 1 year ago 2
All these Germen must followed Nazi Party line in alliance with Japan so they wouldn't talk anything bad about Japan (even Japan committed crimes in atrocity).
This is just common sense.
Now today's Japanese Rightists want to twist the fact of atrocity and say Chinese the victims are liars because those Japanese war criminals and their descendents are still in power in Japan politics untill today.
No wonder.
Thak11 1 year ago
Rabae was even de-Nazinised after the war by his own German people for his job done for Nanking people during the war.
Who is more creditable, Hilter's policy towards Japan or Rabae's contribution to Nanking people ?
The answer is clear to everybody except Japanese Rightists.
Thak11 1 year ago
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@Thak11 ■(Part1)John Rabe was a member of international Safety Zone Committee in Nanking. Many Chinese people said he was a witness of the Nanking Massacre with confidence. However, he had never witnessed even one case of murder. In spite of that, he sent many reports to Hitler and wrote the stories to his diary. In fact, his diary and reports to Germany were written different number of victims. Why?
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@Thak11 (Part2)For Fear of counter objections, he reported to the Japanese authorities in Nanking city the number of casualties to be 49 based on some extent of reliable information. But on the other hand, to journalists, German diplomats and A. Hitler who were all absent in Nanking, he reported figures with an enormous difference, as if no less than tens of thousands civilians had been killed by Japanese troops. Why did Rabe make a false report of the massacre to Hitler?
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@T (Part3)According to German historian Gerhard Krebs, the reason was based on power politics in his German homeland. “Defeated and depressed in World War I, Germany knew that china was a significant trade partner. Particularly Chiang Kai-shek, who was fighting against the CCP, needed a large number of weapons, while Germany was able to import raw materials that were indispensable for the postwar reconstruction.” The Sino-Japanese War forced Germany to reconsider its foreign policy toward China.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@Thak11 (Part4)The Japanese government repeatedly demanded that Germany stop the export of weapons to Japan's enemy Chiang Kai-shek. As the result, Hitler decided to take advantage of containment against the Soviet Union by promoting strong relationship with Japan. Germany refrained from exporting weapons to the Chiang Kai-shek. (In fact, it was in l940 when Germany reached an agreement with Japan.)There were someone strongly resisted the change of policy taken by Hitler.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@Thak11 (Part5)They were Von Falkenhausen, the head of the military advisory group in China, and Rabe, who represented an interest of Siemens in the Chinese munitions industry as a pro-Chinese group. Rabe exaggerated the Japanese Army’s atrocities and requested Hitler to reconsider the alliance with Japan. Rabe's anti-Japanese reports had been thought suspicious since then.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@Thak11 (Part6)Moreover, P. Scharfienberg, the secretary general of the German Embassy to China, who returned to Nanking city on January 9, tried to investigate the fact about 'Japanese Army's atrocities Rabe reported' by himself, and wrote to the German Embassy at Hankow on February 10: “He [Rabe] is still actively trying to counter the bloody excesses of Japanese looters, which have unfortunately increased of late.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@Thak11 (Part7)To my mind, this should not concern us Germans, particularly since one can clearly see that the Chinese, once left to depend solely on the Japanese, immediately fraternize. And as for all these excesses, one hears only one side of it, after all.”
That report is called untrustworthy story after people defined the fact.
The Nanking Massacre was a false story.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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There were many victims died before Rabae's own eyes and talked to him before his death while he was roaming around in the city and he sent them to Nanking hospitals. So are these just hearsays as you said.
Rabae's report of Japanese atrocities in Nanking was in contradiction to Germany's alliance with Japan in the war, so even he himself was arrested for interrogation in his return to Germany. However that did not mean that his report was not valuable or was not genuine .
Thak11 1 year ago
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Pls tell me where all those POWs went? Provide me figures or records of all those people taken away if any but they all disappeared.
Rabe said all those people taken away by Japanese soldiers never returned or to be seen again.
Those people disappeared in the air of Nanking , but how ?
Think about that guys.
Thak11 1 year ago
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@Thak11 (Part1)John Rabe was a member of international Safety Zone Committee in Nanking. Many Chinese people said he was a witness of the Nanking Massacre with confidence. However, he had never witnessed even one case of murder. In spite of that, he sent many reports to Hitler and wrote the stories to his diary. In fact, his diary and reports to Germany were written different number of victims. Why?
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@Thak11 (Part2)For Fear of counter objections, he reported to the Japanese authorities in Nanking city the number of casualties to be 49 based on some extent of reliable information. But on the other hand, to journalists, German diplomats and A. Hitler who were all absent in Nanking, he reported figures with an enormous difference, as if no less than tens of thousands civilians had been killed by Japanese troops. Why did Rabe make a false report of the massacre to Hitler?
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@T (Part3)According to German historian Gerhard Krebs, the reason was based on power politics in his German homeland. “Defeated and depressed in World War I, Germany knew that china was a significant trade partner. Particularly Chiang Kai-shek, who was fighting against the CCP, needed a large number of weapons, while Germany was able to import raw materials that were indispensable for the postwar reconstruction.” The Sino-Japanese War forced Germany to reconsider its foreign policy toward China.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@Thak11 (Part4)The Japanese government repeatedly demanded that Germany stop the export of weapons to Japan's enemy Chiang Kai-shek. As the result, Hitler decided to take advantage of containment against the Soviet Union by promoting strong relationship with Japan. Germany refrained from exporting weapons to the Chiang Kai-shek. (In fact, it was in l940 when Germany reached an agreement with Japan.)There were someone strongly resisted the change of policy taken by Hitler.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@Thak11 (Part5)They were Von Falkenhausen, the head of the military advisory group in China, and Rabe, who represented an interest of Siemens in the Chinese munitions industry as a pro-Chinese group. Rabe exaggerated the Japanese Army’s atrocities and requested Hitler to reconsider the alliance with Japan. Rabe's anti-Japanese reports had been thought suspicious since then.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@Thak11 (Part6)Moreover, P. Scharfienberg, the secretary general of the German Embassy to China, who returned to Nanking city on January 9, tried to investigate the fact about 'Japanese Army's atrocities Rabe reported' by himself, and wrote to the German Embassy at Hankow on February 10: “He [Rabe] is still actively trying to counter the bloody excesses of Japanese looters, which have unfortunately increased of late.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@Thak11 (Part7)To my mind, this should not concern us Germans, particularly since one can clearly see that the Chinese, once left to depend solely on the Japanese, immediately fraternize. And as for all these excesses, one hears only one side of it, after all.”
That report is called untrustworthy story after people defined the fact.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
在外國大家都知道,就只有日本新一代傻傻,被政府矇蔽了事實!!太過份了
clkduo 1 year ago
估5到有兩只鬼~~~fuck u!!
ae23710 1 year ago
Rabe accepted thousands of Chinese soldiers into Safety Zone at first after consultation with Japanese army officers who promised these people would not be executed as long as they gave up their uniforms and weaponry. The fact was Japanese betrayed their promise but took thousands of men away for execution. Rabe regreted a lot on that.
Thak11 1 year ago
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@Thak11 ■(Part1)It was clearly proved by their testimonies at the IMTFE that no committee members had witnessed 'illegal murders by Japanese soldiers at all. O. Wilson, who made many testimonies as to atrocities, did admit that all of his testimonies were hearsay. Magee, who lived with Bates and worked for the Safety Zone Committee, testified that he had just eye-witnessed only one case.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@Thak11 (Part2)As a matter of fact, neither Rabe nor other westerners of the Safety Zone Committee members, who might have been able to walk around freely in the city with Nazi Swastika armband on, had ever witnessed illegal murders by Japanese soldiers during six weeks.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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(Part3)In February, as the Osaka Asahi Shinbun reported, the Japanese military arrested eleven hiding Chinese soldiers who had committed numerous atrocities in Nanking, speaking Japanese and wearing counterfeit of Japanese translator's armband to pose as Japanese. After they were caught, conspicuous cases of rape, looting and other atrocities did not take place. The Chinese have accused Japan about the rape crimes during the war. However, these crimes were definitely caused by the Chinese.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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(Part2)About two weeks later, as mentioned in the New York Times on January 4, 1938, Vautrin and other Ginling College professors got to know that the Chinese officers harbored by them had repeatedly raped in the Nanking Safety Zone and then blamed Japanese soldiers for their attacks. The New York Times reported, “(the) American professors…were seriously embarrassed to discover (it).” So would Rabe and McCallum have been.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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(Part1)Minnie Vautrin, a professor at the college, wrote 100 girls were raped by Japanese soldiers in her diary on Dec 16, 1937. Also, John Rabe, the leader of the Nanking Safety Zone, wrote in 17th that 1,000 women and girls are said to have been raped last night. James McCallum, a medical doctor in Nanking, wrote about rape crimes in his diary in 19th. However, these cases of rape were what these Westerners heard about from Chinese people.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
Iris's book is much critized by Rightist Japaneses and some inviting foreign scholars who's been paid by Japan only.
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Thak11 1 year ago
Of course nobody is perfect, a few of her evidences may be faulty but that doesn't mean her book was worthless.
The book arouses American and other people's attention in the world about Nanking Massacre.
Good job.
Thak11 1 year ago
Iris Chang provided concrete evidences and reliable sources in writing her book "The Rape of Nanking". She spent whole lot of effort in her research for her book. In her book you can find numerous references other people and scholars can dig into. She introduced John Rabe's diaries which recorded Japanese war crimes and his adminstration of Safety Zone.
Thak11 1 year ago
I support free speech, but some of these films and books about Nanking Massacre are not allowed (or not taken ) to release in Japan completely. Some of these are not permitted in Japan unless excerpts not preferrable to Japan are eliminated or edited.
Releasers of these films and books normally would be intimidated by Rightist Japaneses.
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Thak11 1 year ago
I support free speech, but some of these films and books about Nanking Massacre are not allowed (or not taken ) to release in Japan completely. Some of these are not permitted in Japan unless excerpts not preferrable to Japan are eliminated or edited.
Releasers of these films and books normally would be intimidated by Rightist Japaneses.
Thak11 1 year ago
Japanese government should not whitewashes their bloody militarist history.
ec97531 1 year ago
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Chinese government should not suppress free speech in China!
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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(Part2)It has been pointed out that what she wrote and the photos in her book were not related to the so-called Nanking Massacre. She shot herself by pistol and died in 2004. The London Economist magazine commented that she had committed suicide perhaps because her book was much criticized and she was deeply depressed about it.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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■(Part1)Recently, a Chinese American named Iris Chang wrote a book entitled, The Rape of Nanking. It tells about the brutal massacre by the Japanese in Nanking. It became a bestseller in the USA and other countries, and spread the lie of the Nanking Massacre. Later, Chang’s book was much criticized by many other authors.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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The U.S was also cheated by Chinese government.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach You are cheated by Japanese government.
ec97531 1 year ago
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@ec97531 In the U.K., the Nanking battle became public criticism, too. Referring it, Charles Addis mentioned on Nov 10, 1938, as follows: Between two countries at war there was always a danger that one or other of the combatants would seek to turn public opinion in his favors by resort to a propaganda in which incidents, inseparable alas - from all hostilities, were magnified and distorted for the express purpose of inflaming prejudice and passion and obscuring the real issues of the conflict.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach Anyway, what are you trying to say? LOL!!! you sound like mercury poisoning badly.
ec97531 1 year ago
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@ec97531 (Part1)”Conflict Prevention and Confidence Building Measures between Japan and China” by Vice Admiral (Ret.) Fumio Ota, Ph.D. Published on January 5th, 2009 ARTICLES
Chinese leaders always say to Japanese leaders that Japan should look at history as a mirror. It means that Japan should not forget her brutal actions against China during the Sino-Japanese conflict in the late 1930s and the beginning of the 1940s. However, since this period Japan and China have changed considerably.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@ec97531 (Part2)Today, the China is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party and the Japan is democracy. While history should not be forgotten, we must also judge a country by its current actions. A recent survey of world public opinion from 2005 to 2007 found that Japan is the country most widely viewed as having a positive influence, which is helped by the fact that Japan has never used military power as a means for settling international conflicts after 1945.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@ec97531 (Part3)Since the People's Republic of China was established in 1949, the frequency of its use of military forces reaches the double digits. On average, China has used military power every several years. In all cases, except for its support of North Vietnam war against South Vietnam, China has used force preemptively. China attacked the opponent first after careful preparation, whereas the opponent suffered from a surprise attack.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach Really? Show me the wars that China has used military force preemptively.
ec97531 1 year ago
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@ec97531 Why don't you point out which issues show Japanese government has tried whitewashing people?
You are accusing Japan with "whitewashing, th Nanking Massacre was happened by Japanese solders and LOL and so on. However you have not showed any conclusive evidence to us.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach Why don't answer my question? Show me the wars that China has used military force preemptively?
ec97531 1 year ago
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@ec97531 (Part1)Mao who was a leader of CPC finally caught Chiang Kai-shek who was a leader of KMT. They struggled jointly against Japan. This is called the Second United Front, which means the alliance between KMT and CCP during the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. Therefore, China shelled into the Japanese camp 4 times in July 7, 1937 10:40 PM. The Marco Polo Bridge Incident often used as the marker for the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@ec97531 (Part2)Definitely, Chinese military shot first! The Chinese Guangdong Province newspaper which name is 羊城晩報said, ”There was an article in戦士政治読本, which were war pamphlets. These pamphlets were delivered in area of Chinese Communist in China. The Pamphlets said Liu Shaoqi (劉少奇), he was Chinese guy, started the Marco Polo Incident.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@ec97531 (Part3)Moreover, New York Times, July 8, 1937, (Page1 and 15) said, “300 of Chinese instigators and plain soldiers were trying to do political maneuvering around the Japanese camp.” After the Chinese first attack, Japanese Army adopted a policy of localizing. They kept a no-expansion policy. However, Chinese attacked Japanese again at 3:25 AM.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@ec97531 (Part4)Therefore, Japanese troops finally launched a counterattack against China in July 8, 5:30 AM. In short, Japanese troops launched a counterattack which was started 7 hours later from the first attack. Japan’s enemy was the KMT, not China. In fact, there were three Chinese governments in China. Chinese society was chaotic. Don’t forget that the U.S and England attacked the Nanking city in China as the same reason as Japan in 1927.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@ec97531 (Part5)Why don't answer my questions? Show me your conclusive evidence of the Nanking Massacre was caused by the Japanese.
Chinese victims couldn’t receive any medical treatment for they had no money. The Chinese government said, “You can get free medical treatment in hospitals if you said Japanese injured you.” That’s why; poor Chinese claimed “we were hurt by Japanese.” That’s why there are only verbal declarations in China.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@ec97531 On the other hand, the Chinese government can’t hand in any conclusive evidence to the academic research investigation now.
ec97531 This is the time for answer my questions.
Why Chinese government edited at least 143 pictures in the Nanking Massacre Museum?
Why Chinese government could not prove the murder of 340,000 when the IMTFE was opened?
Why Chinese government paid money to Timperley for writing book What War Means which was written about so-called the Nanking Massacre?
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach Pfff...Same shitty questions you have asked for zillion times. You have never answer my questions.
ec97531 1 year ago
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@ec97531 I answered your question.
What so you mean I have never answer your question. You are extremly a coword man!
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@ec97531 (Part1)I can answer another way.
虹橋空港事件, Cap.Ohyama Incident, happened on Aug 9, 1937. He was killed by Chinese military near the Shanghai Air Port. After he was killed, Chinese military reported that a Japanese military car entered into the airport, and Cap Ohyama and his driver shot a Chinese soldier. However, according to the book which is called "Mao: The Unknown Story", General 張治中(Zhāng Zhìzhōng)in KMT committed well- organized laid trap.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@ec97531 (Part2)Zhāng put his troops out of the airport and a Chinese death-row convict who was worn a Chinese military uniform. In short, Chinese made a show Japanese kill Chinese first. In addition, Japanese Cap. Ohyama and his driver's shoes, watches and wallets were stolen by Chinese. Then, Aug 13, Chinese shot machineguns to Japanese living area.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@ec97531 (Part3)New York Times on Aug 30, 1937 said, any Japanese soldiers had not gone to outside from barracks when they were under the greatest Chinese provocation.
Moreover, In Sep 16, New York Herald Tribune newspaper said Chinese military provoke the war against Japanese was a fact about which there was no room for doubt. This was the trigger of the Battle of Shanghai.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@ec97531 (Part4)Always, China touched off major catastrophes.
KMT escaped to Nanking City from Shanghai. That’s why Japan chased them to Nanking.
So, do you want to repeat your comments "You have not answer my question"? Many Chinese people think you are a coward and a stupid man.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach Scroll down and see what I question is.
ec97531 1 year ago
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(Part3)
3 Chinese inhabitants in the film are in shirts with half sleeves in the cold wintertime. A piece of paper which says 'Three People's Principles' is on the chest of a woman who is being buried alive, but Japanese do not have such a way of thinking. On the other hand, this custom was still observed in the 1930s in China. The whole things are forged pictures!
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach 日本仔, You are fooling yourself. These two videos from U.S. discovery channel could prove Nanjing Massacre did happened.
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ec97531 1 year ago
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(Part2)
1 An officer is taking a woman by force. His epaulet is different from that of the Japanese officer. The medal he wears on the breast is not of the Japanese Army in terms of design.
2 A man wears a revolver belt. But, the then Japanese soldiers don't wear it, since they didn't use a revolver. Also, he doesn't wear a saber but a parade sword. But, in war, a parade sword has never been used.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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(Part1)People should be careful to watch Chinese propaganda which has been shown Japanese atrocity. I’d like to show a film which is called The Battle of China. This wartime propaganda film is directed by Frank Capra, American famous director of 1930's, and comes out in l944. In the film, there are ten-second scenes of the description of Nanking Massacre. However, these can hardly be the true description, because of the following reasons.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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(Part3)”No happened so called the Nanking massacre. I hope Gen. Matsui will forgive me for that in heaven. Mr. He Yingqin is here, he must have written the fact in military reports. I didn’t hear any massacre story at that time. Gen Matsui was executed by a false charge.” Mr. Tanaka wrote this story in 2001.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach Those war crimes scumbags will go to heaven? pfff... Ignorant.
ec97531 1 year ago
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(Part2)Of course Chiang was the Kuomintang (KMT) troop commander in China, so in other words, relations between the two persons, Mr. Tanaka and Chiang, were hostile in the Nanking battle. When Chaing heard the name Matui Iwane, he suddenly turned pale, shake his hands, have tears well in his red eyes, and he said,
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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(Part1)Mr. Tanaka was one of the members of Japanese Mission to the Taiwan in Sep 1966. He had opportunity of interview with Chiang Kai-shek. At the interview, Mr. Tanaka said he had met Chiang when he was a secretary of Matsui Iwane. As you know Matsui Iwane was a Japanese troop commander of the Nanking battle in 1937.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
The Chinese should never forget what the Japanese had done to them in China. Chinese were targeted - women raped, children tossed and bayonet publicly. The Japanese believed that by sure brutality will the Chinese or the "cina" people be subdued. But they were wrong, dead wrong. By failing to admit their mistakes in China like the German did to the Jews, history will definitely going to repeat itself. And this time round, I am pretty sure the Jap will be extinct from the surface of the earth.
AHHUAT2 1 year ago
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@AHHUAT2 Timperley was paid by the Ministry of Information in China for writing the book "What War Means". The book was written about the Japanese atrocity. Zeng Xubai, then chief of the international propaganda division, said in his autobiography (vol. I, p. 201) that the central propaganda bureau funded the publication of Timperly’s What War Means and Lewis S. C. Smythe’s War Damages in the Nanking Area. Both of these books must have Chinese propaganda books.
Why they needed to do this?
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach
Uniquely, the Japanese hopes to change the fact of history with little detailed changes to evidences and facts, in the hope to alter the genuine of the event. Just like the rest of the world never apologised to Japan for the 2 punishing atomic bombs thrown to Hiro and Naka (when there was in fact no need for the American to do so). So by not admitting the crime of history, I fear that the Japanese people would finally suffer again in their own hand.
AHHUAT2 1 year ago
@undertakerRach
Maybe this time, Japan will let Russian and the Korean have the final opportunity to finish them off what they didn't manage to have the time and weapons to wipe Japan from the surface of the earth the last time. So do continue to deny the atrocities the Japanese imperialism did to North Asia and South East Asia.
Asian don't hate the Japanese, neither fear them. But hope the Jap know what they are doing to themselves. But with the aging population, Japan is wiping themselves.
AHHUAT2 1 year ago
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@AHHUAT2 The Nanking Massacre was a false story. Why Chinese government could not prove the murder of 340,000 when the IMTFE was opened?
Most of comments which are written by Chinese does not have any logical (historical) points. They have just piled up scornful language against Japanese here. This is the China.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach "...doesn't have any logical historical points"? LOL!!! Do you know the difference between REAL and LOGICAL? We only care about the real history, not the logical history. hahaha... You are learning from me again.
ec97531 1 year ago
The Colonels were making donations to thnat NGO at Nanking to help out Chinese refugees , and what's wrong with that ?
If I were there, I would contribute my money too to help those miserable Chinese.
nankingatrocities net
Thak11 1 year ago
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(Part2)"Shortly before eight o'clock Colonels Lung and Chow arrive (Ling has marched off by now) and ask if they can take shelter in my house. I agree. Before Han and I left for home, these two gentlemen deposited 30,000 dollars in the committee's safe." (The Good Man of Nanking, p.64.)Is this a illegal act or not?
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@undertakerRach LOL!!! Why don't you answer my question, dude? The book that says Timperley "spread out many false Japanese rumors as a member", What page that is in?
You are liar, you are fabricating story again. pffff...
ec97531 1 year ago
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■(Part1)According to Rabe's diary, at that time those Chinese in the Safety Zone, were limited to persons who could communicate with Rabe in the Safety Zone. Only those who could speak in either English or German were the Chinese staff that helped work in the Safety Zone Committee and Chinese officers, Colonel Lung and Chow. Rabe was recording about Chinese officers in his diary as follows:
undertakerRach 1 year ago
Timperley was paid by Manchester Guardian a newspaper of UK as reporter in China,
he was paid by the Chinese govt working in information office for about 4 yrs, he was paid by UN as an official, he was paid by Indonesia govt. too.
The book "What the war means : the Japanese Terrror in China" was published before he joined the Chinese govt.
He was not a secret agent of China or the sort like Townsend a convicted American being a spy for Japan.
Timperley got the first hand knowlege of Massacre.
Thak11 1 year ago
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@Thak11 Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (中國社會科學院) edited a book which was called a Modern Foreigners Biographical Dictionary (近代来華外国人名辞典) in 1981. The dictionary said Timparly joined a member of the Chinese propaganda section in KMT after the Marco Polo Incident occurred on July 7, 1937. And then he backed to in Europe and North America, and spread out many false Japanese rumors as a member. Then he was promoted to be an adviser of the Chinese propaganda section. You didn't know this fact?
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach Oh yeah? The book says Timperley "spread out many false Japanese rumors as a member"? Can you tell me what page that is in?
ec97531 1 year ago
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Timperley was paid by the Ministry of Information in China for writing the book "What War Means". The book was written about the Japanese atrocity. Zeng Xubai, then chief of the international propaganda division, said in his autobiography (vol. I, p. 201) that the central propaganda bureau funded the publication of Timperly’s What War Means and Lewis S. C. Smythe’s War Damages in the Nanking Area. Both of these books must have Chinese propaganda books.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
The truth of Nanking Masscre is here.
See nankingatrocities net
Thak11 1 year ago
Japanese textbooks deny the sort of atrocities in Nanjiang, just consider how many Chinese POW s Japanese had taken custody in record, almost none because all Chinese of young and mature age in Nanjiang caught would be executed outside Nanjiang city if they were soldiers or not. About 90,000 Chinese soldiers defended Nanjiang with about 500,000 civilians before the fall of the city. After the fall if 200,000 people were kept inside the Safety Zone, then 300,000 people got killed was right.
Thak11 1 year ago
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■“China's Textbooks Twist and Omit History by Howard W. French. New York Times on December 5, 2004.
Most Chinese students finish high school convinced that their country has fought wars only in self-defense, never aggressively or in conquest, despite the People's Liberation Army's invasion of Tibet in 1950 and the ill-fated war with Vietnam in 1979, to take two examples. Similarly, many believe that Japan was defeated largely as a result of Chinese resistance, not by the United States.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
かまってちゃん!ec97531
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach Ostrich spirit 鴕鳥精神
ec97531 1 year ago
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あははは!ec97531,またツマンナイ質問だなあ。。。私のお父さんは何筋自県でどれだけの中国人を殺したの?だって!!あはは!こいつきっと何筋自県がいつ起きたかも知らないんだ?だっていくら何でも私の父親の時代じゃないじゃんね?? うふお菓子♡
そう思いません?
undertakerRach 1 year ago
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@undertakerRach LOL!!! You are proving to me that you are a coward. HAHAHA...
ec97531 1 year ago
@undertakerRach LOL!!! Shame on you Japanese coward. Ostrich spirit 鴕鳥精神.
ec97531 1 year ago
147 pictures in question are much less in number against "Not Permitted" photos / videos recorded by Japanese reporters hold up by Japanese army authority amounted to thousands.
@undertakerRach
Thak11 1 year ago 5
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ec97531は真るで、中極の委ぬだな。みんな掘っておこうぜ。虫策船だ。
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach How many Chinese people your father killed during Nanjing Massacre?
ec97531 1 year ago
@undertakerRach
One photo in question does not disapprove the war crimes committed in general.
Thak11 1 year ago
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@Thak11 147pictures are edited by Chinese governmnet.
undertakerRach 1 year ago
@undertakerRach No, Chinese government didn't edit any pictures. You are liar.
ec97531 1 year ago
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A photo has displayed at the Nanking Massacre Museum. The caption said, "The Japanese rounded up thousands of women. Most of them were gang raped or forced into military prostitution. But this photo appeared in the Asahi Graph, a weekly photo journal, published in Japan on Nov 10, 1937, about one month before Nanking battle. The explanation says, "A group of women and children from the Rising Sun Village returning from the fields, guarded by our soldiers."
Chinese governmnet is a liar!
undertakerRach 1 year ago
各位中国朋友,一起為中国民主努力!
grebf 1 year ago