Kenneth Haggin Jr. Stood up in a pool pit and made racist statements against Blacks and Interracial marriages. I love God and his Word, but if I ever see K. Haggin Jr. in person, Im gonna beat his Lilly White ass. and that's on "God.
Do you people see how satan deceives many? Kenneth hagin was not saying that the saying was not in the bible but if one knows Gods word they know His will because his word and his will are one in the same. He said people say it not Jesus. and Jesus did go to hell it is in the word read it if you dont know where the scripture is write me ill show you.
Rhema and Logos are used interchangeably in the Bible. But Kenneth Hagin did not know this basic truth. He also believed in the lie of New Testament tithing.
As those who know the Word of God will recognise, eIe12957 does not know how to rightly divide it.
eIe12957 is a Word of Faith minister, an Open Theist, a proponent of Pelagius, Charles Finney, Joel Osteen, a variety of wolves in the Word of Faith movement including Rodney Howard-Brown ("holy laughter") mysticm and the Emergent/Emerging church. There are many other heretical teachings he holds to and since he has proven to be wholly unrepentant, I prefer not to associate myself with him.
hey was watching an unbiassedly satanic Sermon of paul washer "god hates the sinner""
not the sin quite sad how people can believe this man and his ungodly mockery of Gods unbiased gift of grace and mercy we call salvation i almost feel like going and whack him upside his head with the word of God.
@Ipreachfromscripts sorry, but isnt God angry with the wicked everyday???seriously if exposing sins offends you then you should consider to test yourself if you really are in the faith, in the faith that if you'd be tormented with whatever ways possible you'd still stand for Christ.In other words, ready to die for your words and faith in Christ in no time, in season or out of season, get to know church history also. When God moved on the Great Awakening times, there was no preacher of prosperity
@Ipreachfromscripts havent read any of his books and wasnt even refering, rather I was addressing Paul The Apostle and quoting Psalm 7. Its not just a thin-air preaching its from the bible and contextual message and if you dont like it - then really the problem isn't "do you like Paul Washer" Or "do you like John MacArthur" it would rather be "do you like The Triune God?" - The messanger is just a messanger nothing more, remember, that Isaiah and all other prohpets of Israel were rejected also.
Kenneth Hagin "I am fully convinced - I would die saying it is so - that it is the plan of Our Father God, in His great love and in His great mercy, that no believer should ever be sick; that every believer should live his full life span down here on this earth; and that every believer should finally just fall asleep in Jesus" (Kenneth E. Hagin, Seven Things You Should Know about Divine Healing, p. 21).
Hagin died of a cardiac arrest after years of heart trouble and several heart attacks.
Kenneth Hagin asserts, "Manwas created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in Gods presence without any consciousness of inferiorityGod has made us as much like Himself as possibleHe made us the same class of being that He is HimselfMan lived in the realm of God. He lived on terms equal with GodThe believer is called ChristThats who we are; were Christ!" (Kenneth M. Hagin, Zoe: The God-Kind of Life (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Inc., 1989), 35-36, 41.)
Kenneth Hagin also claimed that Jesus Christ took on the nature of Satan, "Spiritual death means something more than separation from God. Spiritual death also means having Satans nature... Jesus tasted death - spiritual death - for every man." (Kenneth E. Hagin, The Name of Jesus (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, 1981) 31.
Hagin stated, "Every man who has been born again is an incarnation and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth." (Kenneth E. Hagin, The Incarnation, The Word of Faith 13, 12 (December 1980):14.
"...[Jesus] tasted spiritual death for every man. And His spirit and inner men went to hell in my place. Can't you see that? Physical death wouldn't remove your sins. He's tasted death for every man. He's talking about tasting spiritual death. Jesus is the first person that was ever born again. Why did His spirit need to be born again? Because it was estranged from God." (Kenneth Hagin, "How Jesus obtained His Name" (Kenneth Hagin Ministries, audio tape #44-H01)
There are countless quotes from Hagin which demonstrate his utter rejection of the true doctrine of Christ and his embracing of doctrines of demons which have damned many a soul. Those who stand by His defense of E.W. Kenyon's heretical teachings and his corruption of the gospel are counted guilty with Hagin. I would rejoice if those men and women repented and came to saving grace in Christ. Please feel free to visit this website:
Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and WAS NUMBERED WITH THE TRANSGRESSORS.For he bore the sin of many,and made intercession for the transgressors.
The Bible says Christ went to hell so again we see Utopiang disagreeing with Gods word. It is becoming very plan that Utopiang does not know her bible and has created a strange unrecognizable theology that she promotes.
" If you get his newsletter you know he spent two months in Laos dodging the authorities to preach the gospel. I was hear posting everyday. LOL! You folks are so hilarious I have been entertained immensely by all of this.
Then he/she (Laurie--Ed's wife)would accuse people of being deceitful
" If you get his newsletter you know he spent two months in Laos dodging the authorities to preach the gospel. I was hear posting everyday. LOL! You folks are so hilarious I have been entertained immensely by all of this."
Then he/she (Laurie--Ed's wife)would accuse people of being deceitful
John Calvin was a killer he killed other believers b/c they did not agree with his doctrine. Calvin was influenced by Augustine who also had believers put to death b/c they disagreed with his theology. Jesus taught that true believers would forgive their enemies, Calvin and Augustine didn't. Jesus also taught that the person who kills a believer does not know God or him aka Jesus. The reformed faith is built on men who did not know God according to Christ.
Calvinist today practice character assignation b/c it is the same murderous spirit Calvin & Augustine yielded to. Christians that know Jesus & what he taught about his father & his fathers love recognize those that masquerade as believers but harbor hate and vengeance in their heart, it always comes out when they are challenged that their beliefs do not line up with scripture, they begin to slander and practice character assignation on those they disagree with, the devil did the same to Jesus.
if you are making reference to the death of Servetus
have you ever read the monument of expiation that was erected at the place where Servetus was executed.
and do you know why it was put there?
not to mention that Calvin was not even given citizenship until six years after the death of Servetus and Calvin had no authority to have him executed.
Servetus was executed by the civil courts and sentenced by the Catholic church
@ScottDaMoose ever heard about Corrie Ten Boom? She helped hide Jews from the Nazi's in WW2, she was a Christian protecting Jews or as you would know them the non-elect. Ur excusing Calvin of protecting MS form certain death so he wouldn't be arrested is more revealing then you even know. Calvin was more concerned about his own skin then he was about a brother in the Lord. Turning over a brother in the Lord to a wicked demonic cult so they can kill him is even more troubling.
@ScottDaMoose The fact that you are unable to see what Calvin did by turning over MS to be killed is tragic and again shows why most reformers lack compassion and understanding Gods love.
@ScottDaMoose how many people did Hagin kill? The man you follow killed true believers and Jesus said such a man does not know him or God. Hagin didn't kill anyone he prayed for the sick as Jesus commanded and the bible teaches and you in ur warped theology believe that is evil. Why is it that reformers always criticize those who obey Christ? Only the anti- Christ would do such a thing! Think about it!
@ScottDaMoose faith comes from hearing the word of God Rom 10:17 when the gospel is preached faith is there to save, it isn't a spiritual lottery as you believe. Heb 4:2 explains it clearly. Jesus marvels at peoples lack of faith and also commended people for THEIR faith, so according to Jesus you are 100% wrong. We are saved by grace but it is faith that allows us to receive that saving grace.
@ScottDaMoose faith in Gods word is never mis-placed that is where faith needs to be placed. The people who were cast out did not know God, the Bible teaches he that loves knows God and he that loves not does not know God and faith "works by love". Try keeping ur comments in context with Gods word.
Btw, James taught faith can be dead as well and this was written to believers.
@ScottDaMoose, my words do not produce faith but Gods word does. So I do not have faith in my faith, my faith comes from hearing God's word Rom 10:17 and I trust Gods word not my word or ur opinion of Gods word but what God says alone. Abraham was the father of faith and in Rom 4 Paul tells us about Abraham's faith as does Heb 11. I know this is above ur head b/c ur camp never teaches this but it is biblical.
@ScottDaMoose yes people will claim all sorts of things and be lost. But ur a Calvinists so why does that even concern you if they are lost it is b/c God has ordained them to hell. So what does it matter what they believe or don't?
Do you disagree with Gods word when it says faith comes from hearing Gods word, Rom 10:17? Why did Jesus commend people for using THEIR faith if they had nothing to do with it? Why was Jesus amazed at the lack of faith some had if it was not their fault? Please answer
I really would love to atrtemt to explain this to you but then you would just turn around and comeup with a man cenetered argument then twit things around and make accusations. i am done here.
@ScottDaMoose at least be honest you are unable to answer my questions b/c the truth is they contradict ur faith and Jesus shows ur view of "faith" is inconsistent to what he taught and said.
Why can't you at least provide proof of ur outlandish lies you claim I said? Looks like Satan is still using you. How sad!
@ScottDaMoose what a cop-out, you lie and then claim you cannot post the proof. LOL!
Where did I say I was Lauria? Another lie from you looks like Satan has a good grip on you, how many lies have you been caught in today.
I love it when people claim to have the only true doctrine and lie like the devil to prove it. LOL! I guess the same god who gave you the gift of faith gave you the gift of lying as well.
@ScottDaMoose good for you, you should go over there and tell them all you have leaned here today you have my permission to use all my posts. Feel free to have them contact me so we can all talk. LOL! You Calvinist are one goofy group of people.
PS. you need to know the truth to be able to share it, so far all you shown is you know Calvinism not the truth. Have fun in Peachtree City. LOL! Say hi to PBTarget he might be there too. Har!
@ScottDaMoose you spent weeks defending Calvinism and the past few days you even defended the man personally. Every time I back up my assessment of his unchristian behavior with scripture and point out what Christ said about men that do what Calvin did you start back peddling. The truth is you embraced a theology that isn't biblical and was founded by men who did not know God and put to death those that did.
come on Ed, Ed's wife, or whoever you say you are today.
You can't do any better then that?
Just the other day you are telling me how you have been a minister for years and how you went to MacArthur"s church when you were younger and how you use to be a calvinist.
and yesterday out of nowhere you are now Ed's wife and not really Ed.
then you start calling Calvin a murder and you clearly don't know the whole story.
@ScottDaMoose ur reading and comprehension is woefully lacking where did I say I was "Ed's wife"? Please provide proof if you can or is this just another slanderous comment?
well it doesn't matter there leader needs to be overlooked for his faults, yet if you notice very carefully they will attack someone else violently and use a half sentence articulation for proof.
@Ipreachfromscripts Do you have a point to make? do you have a problem with William Bradford? how about John Knox? maybe Francis Eaton or John Bunyon, William Trevor, Myles Standish, how about John Huss, OR --one of my favorite-William Tyndale here is a big one- do you have a problem with John Wycliffe? Maybe you should stop reading that bible (and write your own) because it came into english at the hand of a reformer. But God doesn't really use reformers does he (Rofl)
@ipreachfromscripts You have put in your childish comment now lets see if you can answer Like a man of God would. this info may help point you the right direction to the truth.
John Wycliffe (mid-1320s 31 December 1384) was an English theologian, lay preacher,[1] translator, reformist and university teacher. He is considered the founder of the Lollard movement,[1] a precursor to the Protestant Reformation (for this reason, he is sometimes called "The Morning Star of the Reformation").
@Ipreachfromscripts, your accusations against Paul Washer are false. Since you are violating the 9th commandment I exhort you to repent in the name of Jesus Christ.
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight!" (Isaiah 5:20-21 NASB)
@Ipreachfromscripts, Paul Washer spoke the truth: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" (Jeremiah 17:9?)
Did you listen to the man's reasons for warning people about misusing Facebook accounts? He is exhorting and instructing young men in the wisdom of God's ways as is His duty to Christ.
I pray the you will one day be granted the knowledge that leads to true repentance in Christ Jesus. May the divine and sovereign will of God be done. Amen.
@Ipreachfromscripts, a man who works hard for the Kingdom of God is entitled to a period of rest. I do not know where you got your figure from but condemning a man for taking a sojourn to enjoy his favourite recreation is the sin, not the well-earned time away.
@Ipreachfromscripts, you are not holding Paul Washer to his words verbatim, you are manipulating statements and taking sound instructions out of context to incriminate a godly man who has spoken wisely for the glory of Christ. Clearly you do not value integrity which is why you ARE playing "silly games" with Washer's good reputation.
If, as you say, you have more important things to do than disparage a godly man then please, by all means, go and do them.
@Ipreachfromscripts, there are millions of false converts in the world who will be rejected by Christ on the day of judgment. They're certain that they believe with saving faith but they are not truly regenerated which is why professing Christians are commanded by God to examine themselves.
What have you exposed exactly? The Sermon Jam proves that Paul Washer rightfully warns people that they can be deceived by their own wickedness into believing that a false man-made god is the one true God.
Your false accusations and obvious venom towards a godly man who preaches the Truth to the lost reveals the condition of your heart:
"But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. These are the things which defile the man;" (Matthew 15:18-20)
The good news is that Christ died even for these sins. Seek Him.
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
thats the other Paul
romans 10
and as far as my heart is concerned that is between me and God not some jack boot Nazi who is trying to run up the salvation score . I am saved it is just the hypocrisy of people astounds me sometimes.
so like I said practice what you preach washer.
I still believe with my heart! not your works based salvation.
@Ipreachfromscripts, the question is how do you KNOW that you believe with a new spiritual heart (Ezekiel 11:19)?
Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' (Matthew 7:21-23)
Calvinists/Reformers believe in salvation by grace alone, faith alone, through Christ alone and that all the glory is belongs to God alone (Isaiah 42:8). We also believe in Scripture alone which means the WHOLE counsel of God unsullied by man's traditions or works based salvation which is a false doctrine.
Please educate yourself (i.e. Synod of Dort) before you attack godly men who are doing the work of the Lord with the earnest devotion the comes from the conforming power of Christ.
Ipreachfromscripts, if it were not for the Reformers who were raised up by God you would presently be a superstitious Catholic without a Bible paying for the privilege of being forgiven or saved from an indefinite period of suffering in purgatory, practicing necromancy and Marion worship and being burned at the stake for daring to question the perfection and authority of the all holy See.
How can you in good conscience point me to the Word when you do not acknowledge the whole counsel of God?
@Ipreachfromscripts, God RAISED UP the Reformers to do HIS will. How is that powerless? It appears that you are being deliberately contrary at he expense of common sense.
Please don't attack Paul Washer with unproven and untested accusations, quote him verbatim and offer a resource that can be checked.
If you do not, then you are willfully sinning by breaking the 9th commandment. God does not look lightly upon willful sin.
Ipreachfromscripts, I agree Paul Washer is very dangerous and preaches a false gospel of works. Sadly those that disagree with you are worshipers of Washer and they believe the man can do no wrong.
Also some of the people here are Utopiangs other aliases I know b/c I have caught her using them. She has dozens and tries to manipulate the channel with her aliases and wacky reformed friends most who are biblicaly illiterate and do nothing but follow her around and cause trouble.
@ScottDaMoose are you going to ignore Augustine crimes as well? He was a major influence of Calvin and many reformers. How can you ignore what Christ said? Pick and chose what you like I guess.
Btw, I never said all reformers were murderers, I pointed out who was responsible & how that same spirit manifests today in their followers. U for example unable to debate a subject decided to listen to gossip & lies and spread it around without investigating the facts. The bible calls that a tailbearer.
it includes many many many more men and women of God then Calvin. He is just one of many.
say to yourself slow
R-E-F-O-R-M-E-D
but of course you probably will call William Bradford a coward for leading a group of believers to get on a ship named the Mayflower and fleeing Europe to find a land were he could follow God as God leads.
then you would move down the list with many false accusations again-REFOROMED
@Ipreachfromscripts, all your comments exhibit your willful mischaracterization of Paul Washer and Ray Comfort and I and my brothers have corrected you on them. I have no intention of repeating myself (Matthew 7:6). Readers need only scroll down the page to view these comments in context.
@Ipreachfromscripts, it is clear that there is no good reason to continue this discussion with you. You do not have a love for the truth and are intent on falsely accusing faithful men of God. Therefore, I shall end our conversation and shake the dust off my feet.
It is my earnest prayer that you will repent and seek forgiveness in Christ Jesus.
well just make sure you dust them outside i would hate for you to get sand in the floor of my clean house here good luck with your misadventures and foolish idol worship. good day!
u said--"it seems as if instead of sounding off on sound bites you need to get out on unfriendly ground?"
not that I care what you think but I will have you know I just came home from spending 60 days in Afghanistan sharing the Gospel. Is that ground unfriendly enough for ya?
and
I agree with the posting on sound bites.
Yes you are a wast of time.
I hate that I got board, and got on youtube, as I wait to see what God wants me to do next.
why is it i am the devil? because I dont agree with you?
it seems to me you got the wrong enemy son. 1st of all you contacted me. 2nd you need to get saved and repent of your sin. 3rd tell me what I said wrong?
why do these guys tell us one thing get a paycheck and then turn around and say "oh I preached the gospel"" and then people say oh then it is perfectly OK then preach there again.
@ScottDaMoose the truth is da truth. ray goes on niteline I will no6t use the bible in the debate.... first chance he gets uses the bible. ray goes to prosperity conference. ray sells tracts, origin of species, etc.... everyones excuse "he is preaching the Gospel oh yeah not only has todd and kirk been on tbn. what channels does way of the master come on??? oh yeah tbn. but that is perfectly ok ... I am a man son. and I am not back peddling. it is the same for all as it to the one.
While you sit on this site and harden your hearts against Kenneth E. Hagin millions of people are dying in their sins following jehovah's witness, mormon and muslim doctrines. And satan thumbs his nose at you. Get off your blessed assurance, quit railing on a man you don't agree with, go do something for God...like go get someone saved...
You would say go stand against JWs, or Mormans that claim Christ with false teachings and yet not to stand against others that claim christ with false teachings?
It is very clear Hagin is teachings are false. and very clear this is just as dangerous if not more dangerous then the others. at least it is clear the others change the bible or push a book other then the bible. Hagin keeps the bible and twist it. for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. (2Co 11:14)
@TheGloriaaDeus I agree with Bro. Hagin when he said, "I'm at peace with everybody, they may not be at peace with me..but I'm at peace with them."
I am at peace with you too...if you don't want to know, God is a gentleman and He won't bother you with it. Enjoy your heresy hunting and witch burning. God Bless You!!
As for healing you do have to look at the cross and "call the things that be not(your healing) as though it already has happened" knowing Jesus healed you 2000 years ago ...knowing and holding to the fact that God can not lie and not giving up to double-mindedness!
Read that verse please. It's Romans 4:17. Who calls those things which do not exist as though they did? God! Not you, or Benny Hinn, or any prosperity, or health and wealth teacher. Please, dear sir, search the scriptures yourself and do not be decieved by poor teaching and false prophets!
Faith is... calling the things that be not as though they were....so your saying you don't have faith???...when you are sick (God forbid) but if... you are then to confess that by His stripes you are healed or Jesus Christ healed(past tense/already)at the cross 2000 years ago.THAT IS CALLING THE THINGS THAT BE NOT AS THOUGH THEY WERE!
Faith is...the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. I have faith, but I don't call things that aren't, that's His job. This comes from the word of faith teaching and is poor doctrine. You may think it's splitting hairs. I don't know. God Bless!
Jesus went to sheol which had two parts abraham's blossom as Jesus call it or paradise...that's the part He went to and preached salvation to the older righteous generation...not hades or gehenna were the wicked are! Jesus GOD'S Son was not born again,it's his spirit (Jesus in you or the words of Jesus) you must have in you to be saved so hagin is wrong on this point!
The Word Faith Movement in my opinion has the wrong view of God as it places trust in metaphysics as opposed to trust in God. It relies on a Universal Faith-Force that is in obedience to certain cosmic laws that God also must obey. God becomes something that can be manipulated through Positive Affirmation. Word Faith techniques such as Positive Confession and faith are not one in the same as it promotes ones own selfish desires.
The belief that one is able to wield a metaphysical force with infinite potential is not only an attempt to deny reality but an attempt to alter reality itself through the use of cosmic incantation.
"One cannot succeed in conceiving how much cruelty, ignominy and falsehood the intrusion of Christianity has spelt for this world of ours." - Adolf Hitler
Adolf Hitler, there's a great Role model, you can trust what ever he says right did you know that he also said "if you tell a lie long enough and loud enough people start to believe it", I guess it worked on you didn't it???
The word of faith movement uses Romans 10:9 to "lead" unsaved persons into salvation. By doing this they testify a Justified Christian can still remain UNSAVED?!?!?!?! and can go to hell because of non-confession. What a theological non-sense. Salvation in Romans 10:9 is the salvation over the power of sin and it is not about receiving eternal life.
Beach, the "WOF" teaches a different Gospel! At least the Baptists don't think we are in "God's class" as Mr. Hagin did! The Baptists don't believe that Jesus was "born again" as Hagin also did. You're comparing apples to oranges. Mr. Hagin should've stayed with the Baptists back in the 1930's! As it turned out he embraced the heretical doctrines of E. W. Kenyon,William Branham, Smith Wigglesworth,and John Alexander Dowie!
look, we're called to test all spirits, for not all is from God. any other Gospel than the one preached in the Bible is unaccepted, unauthorised and rejected. that's not judging, that's discerning to judge is to decide someone's fate based on their actions but this is analysing what's been for the Ppl of God. understand???
Only God can reveal who Jesus is to man ! Jesus asked who do men say I am ? Peter said' The Christ. Jesus said flesh and blood has not revealed this to you' But the father has ! This is what the TRUE CHURCH is founded on! Knowing who Jesus is ! For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; The real Jesus said' Blessed are the poor. These men are False prophets. Who is your mediator ?
Paul was the one who got the salvation by faith revelation in the Arabian desert. He was well qualified to know who didn't understand him and to point it out. Its in the book of acts so look it up before you call me a liar.
Thank GOD for I stand firm to what I believe.. whatever things I will see that oppose the teachings of Jesus Christ, I will not be moved.. So Genuine Christians, don't be shaken by these.. "Jesus Christ is the same today, yesterday and forever!"
When a man or woman is not really called by God to preach, but they really, really, really want to preach, they make up lies and bring a "new gospel" to make a name for themselves. One lie begets another, and there you go - a lifetime of lies...
the evidence is right there on the video, heresy, heresy, heresy. if it can't be backed by the scripture, it's not scriptural. these men were not led by the Spirit of God. let them be accursed!
Mat 24:3-5 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ', and will deceive many.
I am not sure if these guys believe in the Gospel of Christ's death and resurrection but they seem to be rather presumptuous on everything else. Just because an idea pops into their head doesn't mean its the Holy Spirit. Remember these people have to answer to their respective denomination and have to uphold their claims no matter how absurd they are.
so what? They are leading people away from scripture. But to answer about preaching salvation.. Kenneth Hagin who claimed to walk in divine healing died a few years after a heart attack and a coma isn't preaching much of anything these days. and EW Kenyon who made up this doctrine died of cancer. Ironic eh? I guess their tongues couldn't save them afterall.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in THE HEART OF THE EARTH.
Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into ABRAHAM'S BOSOM: the rich man also died, and was buried;
KJV-R (Webster) 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
fiftynine is right...please leave this movement...it is a different gospel and will totally lead you away from truth of the Jesus and the cross. This video is right on. The word-faith movement is about MAN
melaniejoy, I have a relative who is a Rhema grad. They no longer subscribe to word of faith teaching. This video is only one of many anti-"WOF" media out there. Take my advice look deeper into this movement and then leave for the sake of your spiritual welfare.
Kenneth Haggin Jr. Stood up in a pool pit and made racist statements against Blacks and Interracial marriages. I love God and his Word, but if I ever see K. Haggin Jr. in person, Im gonna beat his Lilly White ass. and that's on "God.
Blacksmurf313 8 months ago
obviously this person does not know his bible very well even satan uses scripture to deceive
jesusinspiration 9 months ago
Do you people see how satan deceives many? Kenneth hagin was not saying that the saying was not in the bible but if one knows Gods word they know His will because his word and his will are one in the same. He said people say it not Jesus. and Jesus did go to hell it is in the word read it if you dont know where the scripture is write me ill show you.
jesusinspiration 9 months ago
Rhema and Logos are used interchangeably in the Bible. But Kenneth Hagin did not know this basic truth. He also believed in the lie of New Testament tithing.
TithingStudy 1 year ago
His healing ministery was not a farce many who used their faith got healed, you are faithless.
memesteve 1 year ago
You cant please God without Faith, Gods word works by faith, we live by faith. Get a real life. You guys have no faith and satan has fooled you
memesteve 1 year ago
how many of these fools do ye have in america claiming tax free status???. fuck me!...the most powerful nation in the world????....naw!!!
euroman32589 1 year ago
C'mon people, use your Bible, Concordance and Lexicons.......and go figure.......
camelhawk 1 year ago
As those who know the Word of God will recognise, eIe12957 does not know how to rightly divide it.
eIe12957 is a Word of Faith minister, an Open Theist, a proponent of Pelagius, Charles Finney, Joel Osteen, a variety of wolves in the Word of Faith movement including Rodney Howard-Brown ("holy laughter") mysticm and the Emergent/Emerging church. There are many other heretical teachings he holds to and since he has proven to be wholly unrepentant, I prefer not to associate myself with him.
Utopiang 2 years ago
Correction: "mysticism"
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
hey was watching an unbiassedly satanic Sermon of paul washer "god hates the sinner""
not the sin quite sad how people can believe this man and his ungodly mockery of Gods unbiased gift of grace and mercy we call salvation i almost feel like going and whack him upside his head with the word of God.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, I see no good reason to have a conversation with you.
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts sorry, but isnt God angry with the wicked everyday???seriously if exposing sins offends you then you should consider to test yourself if you really are in the faith, in the faith that if you'd be tormented with whatever ways possible you'd still stand for Christ.In other words, ready to die for your words and faith in Christ in no time, in season or out of season, get to know church history also. When God moved on the Great Awakening times, there was no preacher of prosperity
Estzenify 9 months ago
@Estzenify well better tell john macarthur to quit selling his books.
Ipreachfromscripts 9 months ago
@Ipreachfromscripts havent read any of his books and wasnt even refering, rather I was addressing Paul The Apostle and quoting Psalm 7. Its not just a thin-air preaching its from the bible and contextual message and if you dont like it - then really the problem isn't "do you like Paul Washer" Or "do you like John MacArthur" it would rather be "do you like The Triune God?" - The messanger is just a messanger nothing more, remember, that Isaiah and all other prohpets of Israel were rejected also.
Estzenify 9 months ago
The following heretical quotes by Kenneth Hagin expose the man's theology and his dangerous false gospel:
"We (the church) are Christ." (As Christ is -- So are we, Tape #44H06)
"Christ's physical death on the cross was not enough to save us." (How Jesus obtained His Name, Tape 44H01")
"Jesus tasted spiritual death." (How Jesus obtained His Name, Tape 44H01"
Utopiang 2 years ago
Kenneth Hagin "I am fully convinced - I would die saying it is so - that it is the plan of Our Father God, in His great love and in His great mercy, that no believer should ever be sick; that every believer should live his full life span down here on this earth; and that every believer should finally just fall asleep in Jesus" (Kenneth E. Hagin, Seven Things You Should Know about Divine Healing, p. 21).
Hagin died of a cardiac arrest after years of heart trouble and several heart attacks.
Utopiang 2 years ago
Kenneth Hagin asserts, "Manwas created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in Gods presence without any consciousness of inferiorityGod has made us as much like Himself as possibleHe made us the same class of being that He is HimselfMan lived in the realm of God. He lived on terms equal with GodThe believer is called ChristThats who we are; were Christ!" (Kenneth M. Hagin, Zoe: The God-Kind of Life (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Inc., 1989), 35-36, 41.)
Utopiang 2 years ago
Kenneth Hagin also claimed that Jesus Christ took on the nature of Satan, "Spiritual death means something more than separation from God. Spiritual death also means having Satans nature... Jesus tasted death - spiritual death - for every man." (Kenneth E. Hagin, The Name of Jesus (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, 1981) 31.
Utopiang 2 years ago
Hagin stated, "Every man who has been born again is an incarnation and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth." (Kenneth E. Hagin, The Incarnation, The Word of Faith 13, 12 (December 1980):14.
Utopiang 2 years ago
"...[Jesus] tasted spiritual death for every man. And His spirit and inner men went to hell in my place. Can't you see that? Physical death wouldn't remove your sins. He's tasted death for every man. He's talking about tasting spiritual death. Jesus is the first person that was ever born again. Why did His spirit need to be born again? Because it was estranged from God." (Kenneth Hagin, "How Jesus obtained His Name" (Kenneth Hagin Ministries, audio tape #44-H01)
Utopiang 2 years ago
There are countless quotes from Hagin which demonstrate his utter rejection of the true doctrine of Christ and his embracing of doctrines of demons which have damned many a soul. Those who stand by His defense of E.W. Kenyon's heretical teachings and his corruption of the gospel are counted guilty with Hagin. I would rejoice if those men and women repented and came to saving grace in Christ. Please feel free to visit this website:
w w w (.)letusreason(.)org/wf25(.)htm
Remove brackets.
Utopiang 2 years ago
Correction: "Those who stand by [h]is defense..."
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
so Jesus was beaten for nothing then.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, what do you mean?
Utopiang 2 years ago
Utopiang, you prove again you do not know the bible no wonder people all over YT are calling you a heretic.
Lest see if Hagin statements are biblicaly accurate.
"We (the church) are Christ." (As Christ is -- So are we, Tape #44H06)
Here is what the Bible says,
As He is, so are we in this world. (1 John 4:17)
Looks like Hagin agrees with God and Utopiang doesn't!
eIe12957 2 years ago
"Jesus tasted spiritual death." (How Jesus obtained His Name, Tape 44H01"
Lets quote from something many Calvinist churches read almost every Sunday, since Utopaing claims to be a Calvinist, lets see what they believe.
Apostles Creed,...,was crucified, dead, and buried;
He descended into hell.The third day He arose again from the dead;
Looks like the "Reformed Church" believes he tasted spiritual death.
eIe12957 2 years ago
Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and WAS NUMBERED WITH THE TRANSGRESSORS.For he bore the sin of many,and made intercession for the transgressors.
Is 53:12
The Bible says Christ went to hell so again we see Utopiang disagreeing with Gods word. It is becoming very plan that Utopiang does not know her bible and has created a strange unrecognizable theology that she promotes.
eIe12957 2 years ago
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" If you get his newsletter you know he spent two months in Laos dodging the authorities to preach the gospel. I was hear posting everyday. LOL! You folks are so hilarious I have been entertained immensely by all of this.
Then he/she (Laurie--Ed's wife)would accuse people of being deceitful
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
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" If you get his newsletter you know he spent two months in Laos dodging the authorities to preach the gospel. I was hear posting everyday. LOL! You folks are so hilarious I have been entertained immensely by all of this."
Then he/she (Laurie--Ed's wife)would accuse people of being deceitful
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
John Calvin was a killer he killed other believers b/c they did not agree with his doctrine. Calvin was influenced by Augustine who also had believers put to death b/c they disagreed with his theology. Jesus taught that true believers would forgive their enemies, Calvin and Augustine didn't. Jesus also taught that the person who kills a believer does not know God or him aka Jesus. The reformed faith is built on men who did not know God according to Christ.
eIe12957 2 years ago
Calvinist today practice character assignation b/c it is the same murderous spirit Calvin & Augustine yielded to. Christians that know Jesus & what he taught about his father & his fathers love recognize those that masquerade as believers but harbor hate and vengeance in their heart, it always comes out when they are challenged that their beliefs do not line up with scripture, they begin to slander and practice character assignation on those they disagree with, the devil did the same to Jesus.
eIe12957 2 years ago
if you are making reference to the death of Servetus
have you ever read the monument of expiation that was erected at the place where Servetus was executed.
and do you know why it was put there?
not to mention that Calvin was not even given citizenship until six years after the death of Servetus and Calvin had no authority to have him executed.
Servetus was executed by the civil courts and sentenced by the Catholic church
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago 2
@ScottDaMoose ever heard about Corrie Ten Boom? She helped hide Jews from the Nazi's in WW2, she was a Christian protecting Jews or as you would know them the non-elect. Ur excusing Calvin of protecting MS form certain death so he wouldn't be arrested is more revealing then you even know. Calvin was more concerned about his own skin then he was about a brother in the Lord. Turning over a brother in the Lord to a wicked demonic cult so they can kill him is even more troubling.
eIe12957 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose The fact that you are unable to see what Calvin did by turning over MS to be killed is tragic and again shows why most reformers lack compassion and understanding Gods love.
eIe12957 2 years ago
The fact you cannot see how twisted you are shows your lack of knowing Christ.
get off of Calvin
What about the thousands of others that were not following Calvin. But following God.
Calvin wasn't at Plymouth Mass.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose
yeah get off Calvin he is 2 busy peeing on stuff anymore and poor Hobbes anyone ever give him any respect? nope. he is just as important.
much like this comment you are a joke. you claim to know persons hearts you sir are anti-Christ.
you look to men for your understanding and condemn those who disagree with you.
you have no real knowledge or understanding. fight for your false profits! let the freedom of Christ reign to those who understand forgiveness.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose how many people did Hagin kill? The man you follow killed true believers and Jesus said such a man does not know him or God. Hagin didn't kill anyone he prayed for the sick as Jesus commanded and the bible teaches and you in ur warped theology believe that is evil. Why is it that reformers always criticize those who obey Christ? Only the anti- Christ would do such a thing! Think about it!
eIe12957 2 years ago
You really do not pay attention do you.
i do not follow Calvin.
I follow God!!!
And if you must put me in a catagory
I am more of a Separtist or a Sperfeonist then a Calvinist.
Try looking at men like William Bradford. If you must look at men.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose
Try looking at men like
your not one of those types of churches are you?
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
men have faith in many things and their faith will lead them to destruction.
Are you sure your faith is in the right place?
It is not your faith that can save you.
It is God that does it.
It was not Abraham and his faith that passed between the dead animals that had been split.
It was God that did it. It is not man's faith that hung on the cross it was God that did it.
Would you be so proud as to say "I am saved because I have faith"
no no!
If you are saved it is because God did it.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose
nope , I am saved because I accepted his invitation.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose faith comes from hearing the word of God Rom 10:17 when the gospel is preached faith is there to save, it isn't a spiritual lottery as you believe. Heb 4:2 explains it clearly. Jesus marvels at peoples lack of faith and also commended people for THEIR faith, so according to Jesus you are 100% wrong. We are saved by grace but it is faith that allows us to receive that saving grace.
eIe12957 2 years ago
men have faith in many things. and that faith can be wrong.
That is why Jesus taught about false believers.
They are people that had faith but their faith was misplaced.
That even goes for people that would say "I am saved because I have faith"
only to be cast out (Mat 7)
Your faith cannot save you because it can be misplaced. your faith can be in a false christ or in yourself (your own ability to have faith):
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose faith in Gods word is never mis-placed that is where faith needs to be placed. The people who were cast out did not know God, the Bible teaches he that loves knows God and he that loves not does not know God and faith "works by love". Try keeping ur comments in context with Gods word.
Btw, James taught faith can be dead as well and this was written to believers.
eIe12957 2 years ago
To stop trusting in your own faith and start trusting that God Will do all the work is proper placed faith.
I know this is over your head so I will stop here.
and just pray that if you are indeed one of his children he will help you understand this.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose, my words do not produce faith but Gods word does. So I do not have faith in my faith, my faith comes from hearing God's word Rom 10:17 and I trust Gods word not my word or ur opinion of Gods word but what God says alone. Abraham was the father of faith and in Rom 4 Paul tells us about Abraham's faith as does Heb 11. I know this is above ur head b/c ur camp never teaches this but it is biblical.
eIe12957 2 years ago
Yes and the bible makes it clear that there will be those that claim to have faith in God's word and yet still perish.
Your doctrin teach faith in man's ability to choose God and have faith.
WRONG!!!!!
faith is a gift. It is a gift of God's grace to give us faith that we will not have on our own ability.
For Sarah was saved by faith- Sarah Laughed and the faith came later
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose yes people will claim all sorts of things and be lost. But ur a Calvinists so why does that even concern you if they are lost it is b/c God has ordained them to hell. So what does it matter what they believe or don't?
Do you disagree with Gods word when it says faith comes from hearing Gods word, Rom 10:17? Why did Jesus commend people for using THEIR faith if they had nothing to do with it? Why was Jesus amazed at the lack of faith some had if it was not their fault? Please answer
eIe12957 2 years ago
I really would love to atrtemt to explain this to you but then you would just turn around and comeup with a man cenetered argument then twit things around and make accusations. i am done here.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose at least be honest you are unable to answer my questions b/c the truth is they contradict ur faith and Jesus shows ur view of "faith" is inconsistent to what he taught and said.
Why can't you at least provide proof of ur outlandish lies you claim I said? Looks like Satan is still using you. How sad!
eIe12957 2 years ago
I tried to post the proof but some reason youtube will not let me post it. it blocks the link.
Sorry,
I cannot control what is blocked on this site.Lauria or is it Ed today
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose what a cop-out, you lie and then claim you cannot post the proof. LOL!
Where did I say I was Lauria? Another lie from you looks like Satan has a good grip on you, how many lies have you been caught in today.
I love it when people claim to have the only true doctrine and lie like the devil to prove it. LOL! I guess the same god who gave you the gift of faith gave you the gift of lying as well.
eIe12957 2 years ago
I have figured out that you are a waist of time.
My efforts would be better spent sharing the truth with those that believe you.
Peachtree City is just short little drive.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose good for you, you should go over there and tell them all you have leaned here today you have my permission to use all my posts. Feel free to have them contact me so we can all talk. LOL! You Calvinist are one goofy group of people.
PS. you need to know the truth to be able to share it, so far all you shown is you know Calvinism not the truth. Have fun in Peachtree City. LOL! Say hi to PBTarget he might be there too. Har!
eIe12957 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose you spent weeks defending Calvinism and the past few days you even defended the man personally. Every time I back up my assessment of his unchristian behavior with scripture and point out what Christ said about men that do what Calvin did you start back peddling. The truth is you embraced a theology that isn't biblical and was founded by men who did not know God and put to death those that did.
eIe12957 2 years ago
Calvin had little choice. but to ask authority to see if there was any truth to Servetus being a criminal that had broken the civil law of that time.
If he had not done so, Calvin also could have been arrested for helping a criminal.
It was the Catholic church that ordered the death sentence to Servetus (for denying that Christ is the son of God)
Calvin tried to help Servetus the only way he could. Also Calvin is the only one that asked for a lesser sentence for Servetus.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
come on Ed, Ed's wife, or whoever you say you are today.
You can't do any better then that?
Just the other day you are telling me how you have been a minister for years and how you went to MacArthur"s church when you were younger and how you use to be a calvinist.
and yesterday out of nowhere you are now Ed's wife and not really Ed.
then you start calling Calvin a murder and you clearly don't know the whole story.
You are, very truly, a twisted person
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose ur reading and comprehension is woefully lacking where did I say I was "Ed's wife"? Please provide proof if you can or is this just another slanderous comment?
eIe12957 2 years ago
ED
Like I said I am probably more of a Separatist then a Calvinist.
But Reformed none the less
(a reformed historian would see the humor in this)
So now I am waiting to see what sort of bad things you have to say about William Bradford and those that followed him.
Did you take part in thanksgiving ED?
can you say thank you William Bradford?
how about thank God for William Bradford?
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@eIe12957
well it doesn't matter there leader needs to be overlooked for his faults, yet if you notice very carefully they will attack someone else violently and use a half sentence articulation for proof.
great example is rob bell.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ IPreach and Ed, (or Laurie)
say what you wish about Calvin.
I agree with these (many many) other men.
would you slander them as well?
you picked this fight!!!! lets go.
bring it on
start slandering
let us start with Wycliffe.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose
i like Wycliffe his beats are pretty fly.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@ipreachfromscripts You have put in your childish comment now lets see if you can answer Like a man of God would. this info may help point you the right direction to the truth.
John Wycliffe (mid-1320s 31 December 1384) was an English theologian, lay preacher,[1] translator, reformist and university teacher. He is considered the founder of the Lollard movement,[1] a precursor to the Protestant Reformation (for this reason, he is sometimes called "The Morning Star of the Reformation").
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose
oh that Wycliffe, i thought you meant wyclff jean
you should be more specific next time,
look toward God and be guided by the holy spirit . wycliff is still just a man . i like J Vernon McGee but i don't think he is a superstar.
I don't subscribe my whole doctrine around men or doctrines of others.
so whos next on your list of Wikipedia list?
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
No life is wasted. Somebody had to be a bad example for the rest of us.
RMCDisciple 2 years ago
Amen, RMCDisciple.
"...for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized." (1 Cor. 11:19)
Utopiang 2 years ago
others to watch out for from the tbn group
paul washer and way of the master ray comfort and crew. ray even spoke at a prosperity group!
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts
Can you povide more info please. I would like to see a video of what was preached.
I do believe that Ray would go and preach at a prosperity group. I do not believe he would preach "prosperity"
even the "prosperity group" needs to hear the truth. It may be a good thing if he preached to this group.
I have never seen any evidence of Ray supporting "the prosperity group"
So please provide more info. I would like to see what was preached and to whom.
TheGloriaaDeus 2 years ago
@TheGloriaaDeus
he was here at a strip club asking if they had ever looked in lust figured he had them red handed.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
good for Ray
I wish he would have been there when I was lost and going places like that.
Actually I did run into a man on the streets of Norwich England while I was "bar hopping" back when I was a young soldier.
I have never forgotten that young man that shared the Gospel with my buddies that night.
TheGloriaaDeus 2 years ago
@TheGloriaaDeus
the only problem was he was shoving the gospel tracts in the g-strings.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
really can you give proof
or
are you just bearing fasle witness?
and attempting slander him
TheGloriaaDeus 2 years ago
where you in the strip club too?
and
What were you doing there?
TheGloriaaDeus 2 years ago
@TheGloriaaDeus
I was ""preaching""
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts
Maybe instead of strip clubs you should try comedy clubs.
I don't think you are all that funny but at least you try.
The salvation of men is not a laughing matter.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose
no just making a point . it seems as if anyone can do anything they want under the guise of ""preaching the Gospel""
now i am sure brother comfort is a good man and means well, but it just seems as if a lot of things HE says aren't exactly in the bible.
it seems as if he quotes more Spurgeon than Jesus. well still better than kill the Jews Luther.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts
though I got to admit ray is not as bad as that washer guy,
sinner this and sinner that and oh your not saved this and that get off of facebook yet hes on twitter lol.
now you want to talk about hagin and company washer says not to believe with your heart, in order to be saved. that is a lie straight from hell.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, your accusations against Paul Washer are false. Since you are violating the 9th commandment I exhort you to repent in the name of Jesus Christ.
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight!" (Isaiah 5:20-21 NASB)
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
why would you want to believe with a heart that is wicked? - paul washer.
and he says stay off face book be a man yet he is on twitter?
if a blind leadeth the blind do they not both fall in the ditch?
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, Paul Washer spoke the truth: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" (Jeremiah 17:9?)
Did you listen to the man's reasons for warning people about misusing Facebook accounts? He is exhorting and instructing young men in the wisdom of God's ways as is His duty to Christ.
I pray the you will one day be granted the knowledge that leads to true repentance in Christ Jesus. May the divine and sovereign will of God be done. Amen.
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
and then he said ...
do you want to believe with a heart that is so wicked?
yeah and how about his tweets?
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, the heart of man IS wicked. The heart of the soul is not.
If Tweets are used wisely, they are a blessing. The Gospel is often presented this way.
Utopiang 2 years ago
To clarify: "The heart of the [saved] soul is not."
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings
well how is going on a $10000 hunting trip spreading the gospel be a man stay home and hunt.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, a man who works hard for the Kingdom of God is entitled to a period of rest. I do not know where you got your figure from but condemning a man for taking a sojourn to enjoy his favourite recreation is the sin, not the well-earned time away.
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
well just holding him to his own words there is more important things in life than silly games etc....
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, you are not holding Paul Washer to his words verbatim, you are manipulating statements and taking sound instructions out of context to incriminate a godly man who has spoken wisely for the glory of Christ. Clearly you do not value integrity which is why you ARE playing "silly games" with Washer's good reputation.
If, as you say, you have more important things to do than disparage a godly man then please, by all means, go and do them.
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
watch paul washer sermon jam.
if he doesn't say why would you believe with a heart so evil?
I just don't think you like when your guy gets exposed and knocked off your tower of babel.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, there are millions of false converts in the world who will be rejected by Christ on the day of judgment. They're certain that they believe with saving faith but they are not truly regenerated which is why professing Christians are commanded by God to examine themselves.
What have you exposed exactly? The Sermon Jam proves that Paul Washer rightfully warns people that they can be deceived by their own wickedness into believing that a false man-made god is the one true God.
Utopiang 2 years ago
Your false accusations and obvious venom towards a godly man who preaches the Truth to the lost reveals the condition of your heart:
"But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. These are the things which defile the man;" (Matthew 15:18-20)
The good news is that Christ died even for these sins. Seek Him.
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
thats the other Paul
romans 10
and as far as my heart is concerned that is between me and God not some jack boot Nazi who is trying to run up the salvation score . I am saved it is just the hypocrisy of people astounds me sometimes.
so like I said practice what you preach washer.
I still believe with my heart! not your works based salvation.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, the question is how do you KNOW that you believe with a new spiritual heart (Ezekiel 11:19)?
Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' (Matthew 7:21-23)
Utopiang 2 years ago
Calvinists/Reformers believe in salvation by grace alone, faith alone, through Christ alone and that all the glory is belongs to God alone (Isaiah 42:8). We also believe in Scripture alone which means the WHOLE counsel of God unsullied by man's traditions or works based salvation which is a false doctrine.
Please educate yourself (i.e. Synod of Dort) before you attack godly men who are doing the work of the Lord with the earnest devotion the comes from the conforming power of Christ.
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
it is kind of funny how those who are so sola are so quick to use history books.
anyway i stand by what I said , you need to actually read the new testament especially the book of john
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
Ipreachfromscripts, if it were not for the Reformers who were raised up by God you would presently be a superstitious Catholic without a Bible paying for the privilege of being forgiven or saved from an indefinite period of suffering in purgatory, practicing necromancy and Marion worship and being burned at the stake for daring to question the perfection and authority of the all holy See.
How can you in good conscience point me to the Word when you do not acknowledge the whole counsel of God?
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
so God was powerless if it were not for the reformers?
and yet again declaring me ignorant and slander me for exposing what THEY HAD SAID AND OR done!
they said it i only repeated it.
washer is a a narcissist . I is is his favorite
word
and your the one who said by scripture alone! not me.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, God RAISED UP the Reformers to do HIS will. How is that powerless? It appears that you are being deliberately contrary at he expense of common sense.
Please don't attack Paul Washer with unproven and untested accusations, quote him verbatim and offer a resource that can be checked.
If you do not, then you are willfully sinning by breaking the 9th commandment. God does not look lightly upon willful sin.
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
like i have said read his twitter washer sermon jam. it is there quit crying and look it up yourself.
i have quoted him word for word so prove me wrong.
otherwise knock it off..
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
Ipreachfromscripts, I agree Paul Washer is very dangerous and preaches a false gospel of works. Sadly those that disagree with you are worshipers of Washer and they believe the man can do no wrong.
Also some of the people here are Utopiangs other aliases I know b/c I have caught her using them. She has dozens and tries to manipulate the channel with her aliases and wacky reformed friends most who are biblicaly illiterate and do nothing but follow her around and cause trouble.
eIe12957 2 years ago
@ele12957
I would like to see some solid proof of Calvin doing these things.
NEXT. You must also understand I am REFORMED this is--- as a whole I agree with William Bradford, John Knox,
John Bunyon, C.Spurgeon, and many many others. Calvin was just one of these and his name was taged on to their belief.
If you must associate me with someone:
know this-----I am probably more of a spurgeonist then a Calvinist.
Even if Cavin did do something of that level it does not mean I agree with it
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose are you going to ignore Augustine crimes as well? He was a major influence of Calvin and many reformers. How can you ignore what Christ said? Pick and chose what you like I guess.
Btw, I never said all reformers were murderers, I pointed out who was responsible & how that same spirit manifests today in their followers. U for example unable to debate a subject decided to listen to gossip & lies and spread it around without investigating the facts. The bible calls that a tailbearer.
eIe12957 2 years ago
@ele
let me give you a word.
REFORMED!!!!!!!!!!!
learn this word
it includes many many many more men and women of God then Calvin. He is just one of many.
say to yourself slow
R-E-F-O-R-M-E-D
but of course you probably will call William Bradford a coward for leading a group of believers to get on a ship named the Mayflower and fleeing Europe to find a land were he could follow God as God leads.
then you would move down the list with many false accusations again-REFOROMED
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
As a matter of fact you would probably be more correct as to put me in the catagory of being a Separatist-
You do know who the Separatist were dont you?
I give you a hint ---They were the first men and women lead by God to put foot on the American soil in a place called Plymouth.
and I am sure you will come up with something to say about them as well.
say it again
REFORMED-----
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, you willfully misquoted Paul Washer as your comments plainly show.
Perhaps you prefer the commandment, "Do as thou will is the whole of the law." ala Alistair Crowley.
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
when where and how?
seems you need to give an example.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, all your comments exhibit your willful mischaracterization of Paul Washer and Ray Comfort and I and my brothers have corrected you on them. I have no intention of repeating myself (Matthew 7:6). Readers need only scroll down the page to view these comments in context.
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
all i seen was useless jibber jabber all any one needs to do is watch paul washer on tbn. or watch washer sermon jam.
the man is corrupt in a lot of things he does.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, yes, sadly, the truth is "useless jibber jabber" to the natural man.
More accusations without evidence? Shame on you.
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
yeah that's the tactics most folks on here like to use, seems to me you are a window washer yourself.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts, it is clear that there is no good reason to continue this discussion with you. You do not have a love for the truth and are intent on falsely accusing faithful men of God. Therefore, I shall end our conversation and shake the dust off my feet.
It is my earnest prayer that you will repent and seek forgiveness in Christ Jesus.
Utopiang 2 years ago
@Utopiang
well just make sure you dust them outside i would hate for you to get sand in the floor of my clean house here good luck with your misadventures and foolish idol worship. good day!
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreach...
you really are throwing darts I see.
u said--"it seems as if instead of sounding off on sound bites you need to get out on unfriendly ground?"
not that I care what you think but I will have you know I just came home from spending 60 days in Afghanistan sharing the Gospel. Is that ground unfriendly enough for ya?
and
I agree with the posting on sound bites.
Yes you are a wast of time.
I hate that I got board, and got on youtube, as I wait to see what God wants me to do next.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose
why is it i am the devil? because I dont agree with you?
it seems to me you got the wrong enemy son. 1st of all you contacted me. 2nd you need to get saved and repent of your sin. 3rd tell me what I said wrong?
why do these guys tell us one thing get a paycheck and then turn around and say "oh I preached the gospel"" and then people say oh then it is perfectly OK then preach there again.
it is sickening to me.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
I don't get a pay check to preach the Gospel.
I share it for free.
I am not a "preacher"
I am an average American that has a small income from the hard work I do in construction and when God gives me something to do---- I do it.
I never called you the "devil"
But I have found some of your comments unbecoming and talking with you is like talking to a child: Only,as a "Christian", you should know better.
go back and look at your comments about the strip bar.
Very unbecoming
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose
tbn , strip club origin of species same difference.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
either way;
the way you said it is still unbecoming.
Stop back peddling
You were wrong in what you said and how you said it.
and
I didn't find it amusing.
are you here to glorify God or
just to make wisecracks?
gird up yourself like a man and stop being a boy
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose
oh yeah who was on there with kirk ?
oh yeah paul washer.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts
Wonderful!!!!! I have a love for both of those men.
I have met them and they are wonderful to be around.
How great God is that he would choose to take a wretch like me and make me a child of his and give me brothers like these men.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose
wow way to go double standards.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose, amen, brother. God bless you.
Utopiang 2 years ago
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Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
While you sit on this site and harden your hearts against Kenneth E. Hagin millions of people are dying in their sins following jehovah's witness, mormon and muslim doctrines. And satan thumbs his nose at you. Get off your blessed assurance, quit railing on a man you don't agree with, go do something for God...like go get someone saved...
wumsley222 2 years ago
@wumsely222--
You would say go stand against JWs, or Mormans that claim Christ with false teachings and yet not to stand against others that claim christ with false teachings?
It is very clear Hagin is teachings are false. and very clear this is just as dangerous if not more dangerous then the others. at least it is clear the others change the bible or push a book other then the bible. Hagin keeps the bible and twist it. for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. (2Co 11:14)
TheGloriaaDeus 2 years ago
@TheGloriaaDeus I agree with Bro. Hagin when he said, "I'm at peace with everybody, they may not be at peace with me..but I'm at peace with them."
I am at peace with you too...if you don't want to know, God is a gentleman and He won't bother you with it. Enjoy your heresy hunting and witch burning. God Bless You!!
wumsley222 2 years ago
@wumsely
The thing about people like you is: I once felt sorry for you
Today I understand you are getting exactly what you want.
You are not a victim of false teaching you are the reason false teachers get so popular.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
@ScottDaMoose
i think wumsley makes a valid point what are we really doing for Christ here?
how many posts have you put on "false religions or anti -Christians " videos have you posted on?
it seems as if instead of sounding off on sound bites you need to get out on unfriendly ground? or is it easier to stay in with friends?
i mean you have a very poor attitude but like most works based religious nuts you cant see the Savior for the law
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
Another false teacher
joseph82069 2 years ago
As for healing you do have to look at the cross and "call the things that be not(your healing) as though it already has happened" knowing Jesus healed you 2000 years ago ...knowing and holding to the fact that God can not lie and not giving up to double-mindedness!
christophorM 2 years ago
Read that verse please. It's Romans 4:17. Who calls those things which do not exist as though they did? God! Not you, or Benny Hinn, or any prosperity, or health and wealth teacher. Please, dear sir, search the scriptures yourself and do not be decieved by poor teaching and false prophets!
ultrapilot12 2 years ago
Faith is... calling the things that be not as though they were....so your saying you don't have faith???...when you are sick (God forbid) but if... you are then to confess that by His stripes you are healed or Jesus Christ healed(past tense/already)at the cross 2000 years ago.THAT IS CALLING THE THINGS THAT BE NOT AS THOUGH THEY WERE!
christophorM 2 years ago
Faith is...the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. I have faith, but I don't call things that aren't, that's His job. This comes from the word of faith teaching and is poor doctrine. You may think it's splitting hairs. I don't know. God Bless!
ultrapilot12 2 years ago
Jesus went to sheol which had two parts abraham's blossom as Jesus call it or paradise...that's the part He went to and preached salvation to the older righteous generation...not hades or gehenna were the wicked are! Jesus GOD'S Son was not born again,it's his spirit (Jesus in you or the words of Jesus) you must have in you to be saved so hagin is wrong on this point!
christophorM 2 years ago
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The Word Faith Movement in my opinion has the wrong view of God as it places trust in metaphysics as opposed to trust in God. It relies on a Universal Faith-Force that is in obedience to certain cosmic laws that God also must obey. God becomes something that can be manipulated through Positive Affirmation. Word Faith techniques such as Positive Confession and faith are not one in the same as it promotes ones own selfish desires.
Rylucero 2 years ago
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The belief that one is able to wield a metaphysical force with infinite potential is not only an attempt to deny reality but an attempt to alter reality itself through the use of cosmic incantation.
Rylucero 2 years ago
This sort or criticism in the church makes me very sad.
duopastorale 2 years ago
Wow, jealousy makes you nasty.
I have seen miracles including healing.
The people that put this up should read their Bible openly.
Their kind of legalism is the real poison!
Shame on them.
May God move in your mean divisive hearts to change you and give you understanding.
henwilv51 2 years ago
Love the "Count Chocula" muzic
frankconjr 3 years ago
"One cannot succeed in conceiving how much cruelty, ignominy and falsehood the intrusion of Christianity has spelt for this world of ours." - Adolf Hitler
SelfDampening 3 years ago
Adolf Hitler, there's a great Role model, you can trust what ever he says right did you know that he also said "if you tell a lie long enough and loud enough people start to believe it", I guess it worked on you didn't it???
kc4ril 2 years ago 2
The word of faith movement uses Romans 10:9 to "lead" unsaved persons into salvation. By doing this they testify a Justified Christian can still remain UNSAVED?!?!?!?! and can go to hell because of non-confession. What a theological non-sense. Salvation in Romans 10:9 is the salvation over the power of sin and it is not about receiving eternal life.
TruthAboutMessiah 3 years ago
Beach, the "WOF" teaches a different Gospel! At least the Baptists don't think we are in "God's class" as Mr. Hagin did! The Baptists don't believe that Jesus was "born again" as Hagin also did. You're comparing apples to oranges. Mr. Hagin should've stayed with the Baptists back in the 1930's! As it turned out he embraced the heretical doctrines of E. W. Kenyon,William Branham, Smith Wigglesworth,and John Alexander Dowie!
fiftyninecase 3 years ago
look, we're called to test all spirits, for not all is from God. any other Gospel than the one preached in the Bible is unaccepted, unauthorised and rejected. that's not judging, that's discerning to judge is to decide someone's fate based on their actions but this is analysing what's been for the Ppl of God. understand???
joculee 3 years ago
Only God can reveal who Jesus is to man ! Jesus asked who do men say I am ? Peter said' The Christ. Jesus said flesh and blood has not revealed this to you' But the father has ! This is what the TRUE CHURCH is founded on! Knowing who Jesus is ! For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; The real Jesus said' Blessed are the poor. These men are False prophets. Who is your mediator ?
voiceof1cryin 3 years ago
Didn't the Apostle Paul make harsh statements about heresies in his day? Was he wrong to do so?
gmandofgod 3 years ago 3
Paul was the one who got the salvation by faith revelation in the Arabian desert. He was well qualified to know who didn't understand him and to point it out. Its in the book of acts so look it up before you call me a liar.
Beachangel1221 3 years ago
Hunh?? When did I call you a liar??
gmandofgod 3 years ago
Thank GOD for I stand firm to what I believe.. whatever things I will see that oppose the teachings of Jesus Christ, I will not be moved.. So Genuine Christians, don't be shaken by these.. "Jesus Christ is the same today, yesterday and forever!"
Amen!!!
JwarriorC 3 years ago
When a man or woman is not really called by God to preach, but they really, really, really want to preach, they make up lies and bring a "new gospel" to make a name for themselves. One lie begets another, and there you go - a lifetime of lies...
BearBarton53 4 years ago 3
Very possible. Honestly I do believe that goes on. I'd also like to commend you for having an opinion without damning folks you don't know to hell.
Beachangel1221 3 years ago
the evidence is right there on the video, heresy, heresy, heresy. if it can't be backed by the scripture, it's not scriptural. these men were not led by the Spirit of God. let them be accursed!
joculee 4 years ago
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Mat 24:3-5 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ', and will deceive many.
savdbygrce 4 years ago 3
Is darth vader reading this ?
1mantle 4 years ago 5
Kenneth Hagin DOES NOT have the Prayer Gift of Healing . It's that simple .
misermeanies 4 years ago
I am not sure if these guys believe in the Gospel of Christ's death and resurrection but they seem to be rather presumptuous on everything else. Just because an idea pops into their head doesn't mean its the Holy Spirit. Remember these people have to answer to their respective denomination and have to uphold their claims no matter how absurd they are.
bc191 4 years ago
so what? They are leading people away from scripture. But to answer about preaching salvation.. Kenneth Hagin who claimed to walk in divine healing died a few years after a heart attack and a coma isn't preaching much of anything these days. and EW Kenyon who made up this doctrine died of cancer. Ironic eh? I guess their tongues couldn't save them afterall.
heavensclown 4 years ago
That does not mean anything. Everyone has to die at some point.
esquireyes 4 years ago
Where DID Jesus go after he left the earth for three days?
Cmarvmellow 4 years ago
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in THE HEART OF THE EARTH.
Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into ABRAHAM'S BOSOM: the rich man also died, and was buried;
blueblue1891 4 years ago
KJV-R (Webster) 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
lex316church 4 years ago
masonic movement to drive people away from real spirituality. thats all the christian movement has EVER been :)
veltpak6 4 years ago
fiftynine is right...please leave this movement...it is a different gospel and will totally lead you away from truth of the Jesus and the cross. This video is right on. The word-faith movement is about MAN
fireflyzip 4 years ago
melaniejoy, I have a relative who is a Rhema grad. They no longer subscribe to word of faith teaching. This video is only one of many anti-"WOF" media out there. Take my advice look deeper into this movement and then leave for the sake of your spiritual welfare.
fiftyninecase 4 years ago
Hi, are you saying Hagen did not teach these things ? Was it not his voice I heard ?
John
ironjohnlad 4 years ago