I roared like a loin once...and was propelled into 2 years of street ministery, with run away kids. People got saved, and I was transformed. Please, lets stop arguing about things that we do not understand and press into the love of God. Cheers.
I was with the Vinyard CF in Hawaii and in Colorado. It took almost 10 years to have God heal me of the psycological babble that I experienced. It was all fake and I believed it all and taught others the same. I am so ashamed of myself. May Christ forgive me..
@markforquer That's horrible and clearly not what Vineyard intended to be in the beginning. John created it as a radical middle between sensational pentecostalism (with "psychological babble") and structural evangelicalism (with anticharismatic teaching). Vineyard wanted to be a church were one could be a charismatic without being a fanatic, where the gifts of the Spirit were mixed with sound, Biblical doctrine. Toronto got away from that, and if you've been hurt by Vineyard, I'm very sorry.
@markforquer Mark I'm sorry to hear of your experience and I hope you are doing well now. I have seen and believe there is certainly a danger in any movement - church, network marketing, cult etc that people with susceptible personalities will 'take on' behaviors and beliefs' to fit in. This is the fine line the church walks - do they go 100% conservative and keep people 'safe' or do they give some room for God to move as he did in the Bible? There is more going on than science can explain.
A few years before John Wimber died he did an interview about the vineyard church & the work of the Holy Spirit..I heard him say that he didn't know what to think of "barking or laughing in the vineyards", he said that a few years before, the church would have cast out demons of someone laughing or barking like that..John was confused because he would try to find scripture to back up the experience..instead of simply following the Word..the signs follow AFTER the Word..Mark 16
yes but with this "barking or laughing" they attrac people, and with the people a lot, a lot of money, look a tourist agencies send u a package to see the Holy Spirit manifestation, this is a sing of the ends of the times,
@gareof That sound unlike John. In 1994, the AVC produced a board report called "Summary of the Current Renewal and the Phenomena Surrounding It", which stated "While we are aware that people's unique responses to the touch of God either look bizarre or remind us of things we have seen before as lions or oxen, we should avoid a this-and-that explanation. We should definitely not try to explain a non-biblical manifestation with a biblical allussion or a proof-text."
I don't know what I've been told haha, I hear the Vineyard started as a group who was angry at Chuck for not agreeing that EVERY thing that happens in the church is ok, because its of the church, so it was an allowance of sin in the church without any kind of repurcussion.
The Vineyard church really did split off from Calvary Chapel. But the reason I understand has more to do with the Holy Spirit and allowing the Spirit to work in churches and use of the "gifts" of the Holy Spirit as described in the book of Acts (in the Bible).
I roared like a loin once...and was propelled into 2 years of street ministery, with run away kids. People got saved, and I was transformed. Please, lets stop arguing about things that we do not understand and press into the love of God. Cheers.
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Chuck Smith, the guy who single handedly turned thousands of Christ followers into church people. No these kingdom builders are not heros!
Pfsif 1 year ago
I was with the Vinyard CF in Hawaii and in Colorado. It took almost 10 years to have God heal me of the psycological babble that I experienced. It was all fake and I believed it all and taught others the same. I am so ashamed of myself. May Christ forgive me..
markforquer 1 year ago 2
@markforquer That's horrible and clearly not what Vineyard intended to be in the beginning. John created it as a radical middle between sensational pentecostalism (with "psychological babble") and structural evangelicalism (with anticharismatic teaching). Vineyard wanted to be a church were one could be a charismatic without being a fanatic, where the gifts of the Spirit were mixed with sound, Biblical doctrine. Toronto got away from that, and if you've been hurt by Vineyard, I'm very sorry.
helapingsten 1 year ago
@markforquer Mark I'm sorry to hear of your experience and I hope you are doing well now. I have seen and believe there is certainly a danger in any movement - church, network marketing, cult etc that people with susceptible personalities will 'take on' behaviors and beliefs' to fit in. This is the fine line the church walks - do they go 100% conservative and keep people 'safe' or do they give some room for God to move as he did in the Bible? There is more going on than science can explain.
chucksnothereman 9 months ago
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utubeisthetruth 3 years ago
A few years before John Wimber died he did an interview about the vineyard church & the work of the Holy Spirit..I heard him say that he didn't know what to think of "barking or laughing in the vineyards", he said that a few years before, the church would have cast out demons of someone laughing or barking like that..John was confused because he would try to find scripture to back up the experience..instead of simply following the Word..the signs follow AFTER the Word..Mark 16
gareof 3 years ago 3
yes but with this "barking or laughing" they attrac people, and with the people a lot, a lot of money, look a tourist agencies send u a package to see the Holy Spirit manifestation, this is a sing of the ends of the times,
ncoaAAAA 2 years ago
@gareof That sound unlike John. In 1994, the AVC produced a board report called "Summary of the Current Renewal and the Phenomena Surrounding It", which stated "While we are aware that people's unique responses to the touch of God either look bizarre or remind us of things we have seen before as lions or oxen, we should avoid a this-and-that explanation. We should definitely not try to explain a non-biblical manifestation with a biblical allussion or a proof-text."
helapingsten 1 year ago
I don't know what I've been told haha, I hear the Vineyard started as a group who was angry at Chuck for not agreeing that EVERY thing that happens in the church is ok, because its of the church, so it was an allowance of sin in the church without any kind of repurcussion.
It's probably wrong though, only what I heard.
sonic13 3 years ago
The Vineyard church really did split off from Calvary Chapel. But the reason I understand has more to do with the Holy Spirit and allowing the Spirit to work in churches and use of the "gifts" of the Holy Spirit as described in the book of Acts (in the Bible).
I don't know for sure if that's correct though.
Kriankay 3 years ago
I wish I could have been around back on Mother's Day 1980 to see the events that happened that evening.
Kriankay 3 years ago
Lonnie, I miss you so much. I hope you and God are having a great time!
ValkyrieVoice 3 years ago