The Palestinian Prisoners' Children / Video Educational Film

[MrXiddi]

@mellie559 - There's a psychological terminology for people like fromsuncity1, that's superiority complex with paranoia. @fromsuncity1 - If you had any heart in you you, instead of insulting our religion you would have been feeling bad for these kids. But never mind I don't wanna argue with you!

[rstysmms]

note: at 6:33, the kid says "bus al yahud" which means the Jewish bus, not the Israeli bus as it was translated.

[fromsuncity1]

then they should stop killing innocent old ladies and children in Israel and stop teaching their children to strap on bombs and kill innocent people, but you foolish terrorists will never figure it out.

[mellie559]

@fromsuncity1 ur so ignorant!!! instead of letting the media brainwash u get ur facts straight.

[fromsuncity1]

@mellie559 if anyone needs education, it is the misinformed, lying, innocent killing muslims of the world who worship a false and evil god. get a life, loser. go feed the poor, or help mankind, you worthless slug!

[nicensweet0724]

May God bless and protect the Palestinian people. Especially the little children.

[Quiltinguk]

SHMINISTIM PEACE MOVEMENT

The Shministim are high school graduates who refuse to take part in oppression and military rule in the occupied territories

As a result of their 'conscientious objection' to serve in the occupying army they are imprisoned after being tried by a military court.

Please look them up on You Tube and the internet.

[shayshalom]

@Quiltinguk u r stupid as ur ppl - I don't need 2 explain u nothing - because it doesn't cone in2 ur head

[Quiltinguk]

@shayshalom

I'm sorry you feel that way.

I never trade in personal insults

[Moroccan4lifeone]

اللهم أنتقم من اليهود في الشهر العضيم

[IWILLREPORdaHATER]

إن الله سبحانه وتعالى وضعت في جحيم إلى الأبد!

آمين آمين آمين!

[waselahM]

may every jew who has oppressed-is opressing- will oppress a muslim die the most herendous death! and may there families mourn forever!

[bigjelmapro]

Where's the violation of humanitarian law here? They are allowed access by the Red cross and family, the latter of which is not a requirement of international law (ie Geneva conventions) in relation to prisoners.

Not the first time Btselem and other NGOs have been throwing around terms without justification.

[Dengatube]

What are you talking about

IV. Geneva Conventions, Article 116:

"Every internee shall be allowed to receive visitors, especially near relatives, at regular intervals and as frequently as possible."

I doesn't say that they are only allowed to receive visitors under 16 years and that countries can forbid to allow adult visitors like Isarel does.

[bigjelmapro]

You are quoting from the Geneva conventions regarding 'Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War'. These articles are not interchangeable with those regarding unlawful combatants.

So what are you talking about?

[Dengatube]

They are not unlawful combatants, because they are living under occupation and have a basic right to resist against it.

Read also UNGAR 3103 (XXVIII). Basic principles of the legal status of the combatants struggling against colonial and alien domination and racist régimes.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube That's not the definition of an unlawful combatant. The means is what designates the combatant and doesn't have anything to do with whether they live under occupation or not.

Resolution 3103 doesn't justify the use of any means and doesn't negate the classification of an unlawful combatant.

There's been plenty of chances for self-determination and independence of a Palestinian state from the get-go. No need to erroneously draw a parallel to SA.

[Dengatube]

You got me wrong there. Every palestinian has the right to resist. He can't be an unlawful combatant. But he's not allowed to commit warcrimes (rockets on sderot).

And there's been no chance for self-determination, because since 1922 the territory was either mandated or occupied, in other words not really controlled by them to claim any sovereignty.

Jews keep nonjews expelled (segregated) to uphold dominiation. => Crime of apartheid

[bigjelmapro]

So we throw the concept of an unlawful combatant out the window and make an exception of the plight of the Palestinians to rightfully blow up buses, bomb cafes and commit acts of terrorism just because what? You feel compassion?

Missing a bit of history between 1922 and now, and even a few centuries before that. The mandate offered more than what the PA demands today, which is simply a voided armistice line of a failed campaign of extermination by the Arab countries.

[Dengatube]

People without an army who fight against hostile occupation and for their right to self determination can't be "unlawful combatants". The way they fight can be unlawful. Prolonged occupation itself is unlawul and it's terror in nature is against civilians.

The zionist led a campaign of extemination since April 1948 and allready expelled 300.000 and razed 100s of villages til proclamation. The arab armies tried to prevent worse. And nobody can "offer" what naturally belongs to you.

[bigjelmapro]

Good we don't rely on you what an unlawful combatant is. Has nothing to do if they do or do not have an army.

Belligerency hasn't ended and a final status agreement reached, albeit, the Palestinans have been offered solutions from the original mandate to Taba to Camp David.

The campaign of extermination was led and the stated intention of the Arab invading armies. So no need to flip it around. There is no 'natural' claim of ownership. Another piece of fiction.

[Dengatube]

Palestinians. have a right to resist foreign occupation (ius ad bellum). They can't be "unlawful combatants". The way they resist (ius in bellum) can be unlawfull.

It's only the logic of a criminal that one can offer someone what is basic right. Israel is denying the palestinians their basic rights.

Read their intention in UNDocuments. They wanted to stop Israel from more massacres.

In post-colonial times the Indigenous people people have a natural right to their land.

[bigjelmapro]

UN only stepped in when the tides of war was turning towards Israel's advantage, especially during 1948 and 1973. No calls for cessation of violence occurred during the onset of war.

Arabs aren't indigenous outside of the Arabian peninsula. This all could have been averted with the mandate being agreed to by both sides which designated lands according to demographics during the 1940's. Arabism prevented any agreement with non-Muslims governing their own country deemed Islamic.

[Dengatube]

You got me wrong. Read UN-Documents about the arab armies statements trying to prevent zionist from more massacres, expulsion and conquering.

I'm not talking about "arabs". I'm talking about the people who were LEGALLY living in palestine in 1948. They and their descendents are the indiginous people of palestine whether they are jews, arabs, christians or whatever. The jews then made up 10% of this population.

[bigjelmapro]

So the rioting and massacres attributed to the Arabs (incitement thanks for Al-Husseini and others) between 1947-48 is what you are referring to?

Sorry, I don't usually trust UN documents and requests by the Arab bloc to justify their stated intentions of destroying Israel from May '48 onwards.

Legally owning what? You referring to the legality of the Ottoman or British land reforms? If you're referring to the indigenous population, there was under 400k in all the mandate in the 1860's.

[Dengatube]

No. I'm talking about the more than 30 massacres done by jews, the expulsion of 300.000 nonjews and the conquering of arab cities before proclamation. Zionism needed a war.

You only trust, what you need to justify zionism?

I'm talking about the right of people to selfdetermination in the territory they legally live in. There were 1.300.000 Palestininans living legally in Palestine in 1947. 10% of them were jews and they owned only 6% of the territory. Only a minority of the jews were zionists.

[bigjelmapro]

Whole lot of drivel in one post here. Don't know of rioting where only Arabs were killed. Don't know of any expulsion of Arabs prior to the declaration of war in 1948. I don't want any drivel/CT's regarding some ficitonal plans (ie plan dalet either).

You keep stating legality, but the early 1920's British land reform sold land to Arabs predominantly for gaining favor amongst Arabs countries. Waving around claimants of land ownership done by the British doesn't translate to legal.

[Dengatube]

Never said only arabs were killed. Read Morris about expulsion prior proclamation.

Again! I'm not talking only about private land. I'm talking about selfdetermination of people in the land their living. And I'm talking about the whole population of palestine, not only arabs or jews.

If you have a problem with british landreform then why don't you have a problem with british balfour declaration in the mandate? The only funtion of A Class A Mandate was to develop selfadministration.

[bigjelmapro]

Never said you stated this. But obviously you're insinuating that these so called massacres weren't actually riots where both were killed or battles with ALA and paramilitary. You're simply stating 'done by Jews'

Read Morris, he's never stated this and especially doesn't support the disinformation ploy around plan dalet and so forth.

Balfour declaration states 'a Jewish home', nothing along its entirety, hence along population demographics.

Keep pedalling.

[Dengatube]

I'm not insinuating anything. We wre talking about the reason for arab intervention.

It was Morris who wrote about expulsion before proclamation. He said it wasn't deliberate and in the same time admits that there would have never been a jewish state without expulsion.

The incorporation of the balfour declaration into mandate made the it illegal, because the original function of a class a mandate was only to help people to selfadministration.

[bigjelmapro]

Ephraim Karsh addressed these distortions of Morris's 'The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem' quite adequately (Karsh, Resurrecting the Myth: Benny Morris, the Zionist Movement, and the 'Transfer' Idea). Not going to discuss this here. Pick a neutral forum (ie JREF forum)

Pure fantasy that the Arab league's war on Israel in 1948 was any reaction.

Keep bringing up the Balfour declaration, says nothing about discriminating one side or the other.

Pure fantasies.

[Dengatube]

Read Lustick about Karsh in "Israeli History: Who is Fabricating What?"

About 300.000 expelled arab Palestinians, many massacres, hundreds of destroyed villages, many arab towns and areas occupied before the proclamation and you don't call their internvention a reaction? Zionist history always starts with being the victim, not the aggressor and conquerer, right?

The Balfour Declaration was a discrimination of the indigenous people. Even the jewish palestinians rejected zionism at that time.

[bigjelmapro]

Lustick doesn't argue against what Karsh said about Morris, so this rebuttal above is not pertinent. Morris fabricated quotes, which is a far cry from the allegations by the revisionists, ie Lustick, Pappe, Bulliet (idiot who invited Ahmadinejad to Columbia Uni), etc. who are part of a group called the new historians.

Quote the Balfour declaration that seems so discriminatory. States nothing along the lines of exclusive access to anything. You have no idea what you're spurting out here....

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

Israel keeps nonjewish Palestininans expelled to maintain jewish domination and thats apartheid.

Balfour declaration ITSELF was a discrimination, because natives weren't asked.

The PLO definition of a palestinians is neither an ethnic nor a rascist nor a religious definition and even includes (some) jews. A territory belongs collectively to legal residents and their real descendants and not to some unproven descendants from people who lived there 2000 years ago.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube @Dengatube Try working on your definition of apartheid since what you're explaining is not apartheid. The first ones to associate Israel to apartheid SA were the Russians in post-67, now the leftists and islamists have picked it up, go figure.

Who says the PLO makes up a definition of the most recent regional name and ties it to a group of people? Who claims legal residency?

Still have to explain your position of the Balfour declaration = discrimination.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

Read the international definition of "Crime of apartheid" in the rome statute of the international court.

Read PLO Chapter for definition of Palestinians including jews. Look into palestine passport (british mandate) for legal residency. 2/3 of the jews didn't even have one in 1947.

The balfour declaration was a statement by a party who was never souvereign of palestine to a group of peole most of them even not being palestinians therefore discriminating the true natives.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube I can read, can you? ICC/ ICSPCA definition of the crime of apartheid article II and VII, which one apparently applies to Israel?

Balfour declaration only made the statement that a Jewish home/state was going to be created, nothing discriminatory about it. It was already agreed to in the mandate that there would be 2 states along demographic lines. Nothing more.

British issuing Palestinian permits AFTER their British land reforms in the end 1920's.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

ICC: VII, 1 d+j and 2 h

ISCPA II, c: "the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality,"

If Israel is a rightful successor state than according to int. law all nonjews (stayed, fled or expelled) must be automatically Israelis.

There are no "2 states" in BD or in the mandate. Discriminatory was that the true natives were never asked.

Pal. nationality was installed in 1925 (Pal. Citizenship Order). 2/3 of jews in 1947 weren't palestinians, but illegal.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube VII, ties in with British land reforms as changed from the Ottoman period where there barely was private land ownership. Where's the work exploitation?

II c. Has to be a country to begin with, which there wasn't.

Pal. Citizenship order of 1925 was resoundly rejected by the Arabs. Again, how does British declaration of the voided mandate apply to post 1948? Post mandate?

Balfour declared a Jewish state would exist, which does not negate a Arab state existing.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

VII. The crime of apartheid doesn't necessarily include work exploitation.

II c. Of course there was a COUNTRY and also a STATE in statu nascendi. All the arabs and only 1/3 of the jews had a pal. passport.

The purpose of a mandate was to develope self administration to realize self determination of the natives which had title to this country. It's end was just the end of this help. There's no word like "jewish state" in the declaration or in the mandate.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube

Palestinian passport, rejected by the Arab league representatives, does not designate any official country, simply an official status of those residing within the British mandate. In statu nascendi even confirms this, which again, the Arabs rejected wholeheartedly.

SA apartheid does include work exploitation. There's no prevention of mixed marriages either, only the settling of those within Israel proper since Palestinians, as Syrians, are hostile towards Israel.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

According to The League of Nations Class A Mandates could be regarded as independant nations. The function of this mandates was to build up the state. (Like Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, etc.) A pal. nationality (passport) was one of the steps. Palestina even had int, treaties like other countries.

I'm not talking about SA Apartheid. I'm talking about the crime of apartheid in international law. Btw. mixed marriages are simply NOT possible in Israel. You don't call that prevention?

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube The mandate was voided when it was handed over to the UN. Israel accepted the mandate partition, the Arab league and the Palestinian Arab representatives, and either did the Palestinian form an independent government.

You deal with a lot of hypotheticals here of what could have or should have happened, but simply didn't come to fruition.

Class A mandates (Gaza, WB) were left over and occupied by Jordan and Egypt.

Mixed marriages are permitted.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

Arabs accepted a secular democracy for all of the inhabitants of palestine. UN had no right to partition and didn't let international court decide the case. But Security Council didn't accept partition and demanded a mediator who was assasinated by zionist terrorists.

I deal with international law. You deal with fist law.

Gaza and WB was occupied in accordance with the majority. Rest was captured in a "military putsch" by jewish militia.

A jew can't merry a gentile in Israel.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube \Arabs accepted'? They never accepted anything. Their leaders did anything to bar Jews from immigrating to the mandated period, made death threats to anybody who sold land to kaffirs (which they only managed to own privately due to British land reforms of the mid 1920s).

UN partitioned along demographics, Arabs even rejected this. Its anti-muslim.

Jews can marry anybody they wish, even same sex. Fantasies.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

The arab delegation proposed a secular democracy for all in 1947. UN didn't partition at all along demographics, because even inside the "jewish territory" jews were a minority including the bedouins. UN has no right to partition anything.

"There is no provision for inter-faith marriages and no civil marriage in Israel"

(wikipedia - marriage in israel).

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube I think you're getting the PNC declaration of a single state (not secular) and that of a single Arab state in all the ME under Pan-Arabism. The Arab delegation also included 90% of the Jews under this single Arab state who were deemed invaders, which ignores the Arab immigration from surrounding countries to boot.

Interfaith marriages is possible. You said it wasn't. It can be done, inter-faith marriage overseas are recognized in Israel. No provision does not mean its not possible.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube At some point you're going to have to actually make statements based in reality rather than this near-sighted disinformation ploy.

You've made no statements supported by international laws. You've tried and failed to quote a few, but that's about it.

What you've proposed is a 1 state solution (undemocratic, since no other democracy exists in the ME) which is doomed to failure. There was no initial proposal for an independent Palestinian state until post '63

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

All my statements are based on reality and international law. Ask me for any quote or source and I will give it to you to make you look like someone who is not in reality.

There's allready a one state solution. But it's based on zionist apartheid, maintaining expulsion and denying citizenship, because of not having the "right" religion/ethnic. Same happened in nazi germany with jews.

There was no wish then to propose a state in only 20% of palestine.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube Go quote it on a neutral forum of sorts, not on the comments page of a youtube video.

Not an amateur to this subject matter so no need to pretend to understand international law better than myself. I'm not the one yapping away here on the comments page. Apartheid allegation is from post-67 Soviet propaganda.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

I was not talking about the PNC declaration of a single state. I was talking about the arab delegation and their secular proposal to UN in 47.

I said that a jew cannot marry a nonjew IN Israel! Thats the fact! And you're just twisting words.

So you say that I'm not quoting anything and when I ask you to ask me for sources you just give in?!

Apartheid allegation has nothing to do with any soviet propaganda. but with recent southafrican studies of Israels apartheid system.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube

Not twisting any words, you said it wasn't possible, I said it was. So you lack clarity. Marriages in Israel is a general issue since I support civil marriages in addition to inter-faith and is not an issue only restricted to Muslims, but everyone. Halacha restrictions have to be removed.

Apartheid allegation only came about in post-67 from the Soviets. Look it up. Its not as recent as you suggest it to be.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube The proposals by the Arab league during Pan-arabism would've prevented any sort of independent Palestinian state from existing since it wasn't even on the table at this point. The land would be divvied up to Syria and the Hashemite kingdom of Transjordan. And it wasn't really any proposal, just a bout of rejectionism. Acceptance of Arab migration, rejection of Jewish migration. Acceptance of British land reforms, but rejection of Jewish land purchases.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

I said three days ago: "A jew can't marry a gentile IN Israel."

I didn't say apartheid allegation was ONLY recent. You said it was from soviet propaganda, allthough you know the int. definition.

I wasn't talking about pan-arabism" either. Stop twisting words!

It would have been up to inhibitants of palestine to decide about the future of jewish migration and land purchases. That's called self determination. A foreign concept to zionists when it's not dealing with jews.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube You said it wasn't possible before that. The issue of marriage is difficult for all since religious courts (jewish, muslim, christian) deal with their own cases according to their own standards. A Muslim woman can't marry a Christian man in this case either.

Pan arabism was the trend at the time which served the basis of the absolutist claims of the Arab league and the delegation dealing with the mandate.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

It's is not possible for a jew to marry a nonjew in Israel. And if you're a nonjewish Israeli and you marry a nonjewish Nonisraeli you can't bring her to Israel.

The proposal by the arab delegation was not panarabic. It was a secular democracy for all Palestinians, jewish and nonjewish. But the zionist didn't want democracy, because only 10% jews were legal pal. residents. Instead they chose conquest, massacres and expulsion to get their territory and to become a minority.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube A Palestinian Arab cannot immigrate from the WB or Gaza into Israel if married with an Israeli, that's the only restriction given. Perfectly logical if the PA is belligerent towards Israel.

An independent Palestinian statewasn't on the table until the early 1960's. Its not up to the Arabs to decide who is a legal or illegal immigrant, especially if Arab immigrants are unrestricted, and Jews have massive restrictions due to Oil diplomacy set out by the British.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

"Perfectly logical" in rascist countries, because it is discriminatory, unconstitutional and violates the right to family life.

An indenpendant pal. state was in statu nescendi with the mandate and it was proposed as a solution by the arab delegation in 1947 to the UN.

It was up to the pal. nal. law (1925) who was legal or not and it was up to the majority do decide on immigration.

But zionist have a problem with democracy and self determination for nonjews in palestine.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube So the Palestinians from the WB/Gaza are not belligerent towards Israel? The 26 confirmed cases where Palestinians married to Israelis, whom moved to Israel that were involved in terrorist activities is totally denied. No unconstitutional by any means. Please point out where it is.

Here you go with statu nascendi again. Doesn't play in with Arab rejectionism.

Oslo accords? Camp david? Gloss over those.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

Its Israel who is a belligerent occupier, not the palestinians.

Arab rejectionism? Of what? Zionist conquering of Palestine? It was them who always rejected a single, democratic state for all and prevented any basic democratic development in mand. Palestine. It was them who who reject the pal. right to return and self determination and maintain expulsion.

Oslo ? Modification of occupation and settlements doubled.

Camp David? Google for "The brilliant offer Israel never made"

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube I realize its the fantasy to turn the tables and blame everything on Jews. Arabs started the war, Arab rejectionism, etc. Palestinians partook in the violence and war with the ALA. The Arab league accepted Arab immigration, rejected Jewish migration, accepted British land reform, rejected Jewish land purchases.

Double standard.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

It was actually jews starting to capture areas to get the land for their state. And why should the natives allow emmigration without controlling it? Just because the emmigrants are Jews?

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube Arabs aren't natives, so no need to press this brainfart of a fantasy. Arabs were immigrants, the latter ones to boot, as has been the case in this certain region for centuries. The 1948 war and the subsequent wars initiated by the Arab league/nations for their own land grabs caused what we have today. The belligerence and the threats from Syria, Hezbollah, the PA, Hamas, and Iran continue to this day.

Arabs don't control immigration. End of story. Discuss it on a forum. Afraid?

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

The arabs of Palestine weren't natives? LOL! Still believing in the Joan Peters Hoax?

1948 initiated by arabs? Jews allready started to capture arab cities in April 48 and to expell 250-300.000 Palestinians till proclamation. Who needed war to get a state territory? Who needed to expell others to become a majority in it?

Afraid of discussing it on a forum? LOL! I'm allready disussing it in three.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube Joan Peters had issues with addressing immigration, internal/external, and didn't have to do with addressing Arabs as natives. But nice try at pretending what that book was about and another fail at pretending its a hoax as well.

ALA operations in the mandate already were busy since December 1947, and became more organized in January 1948.

Discuss it in a non-stormfront-esq forum.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

Peters book is a Hoax. See the latest comment in my channel for source.

Expulsions by jews started in December 1947. Without expulsion and war a jewish state was not possible, because jews were a minority that had only 6% land.

Discuss it in a non-judeofascist-esq forum.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube Book is not a hoax.

Oh, now its Dec 47, first Apr 48 Pfft. And you accuse me of peddling.

JREF is a place to start, or you can stick to your CT sites like Rense and stormfront.

Negev comprises of over 50% of Israel's current land mass. British land reform acts of mid 1920's put most of the land into Arab hands. Convenience in omissions.

Try again.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube Don't need to google articles about Camp David and Oslo. The PA and even Arafat at the end hit themselves till this day for not accepting or even offering counter-proposals for this peace initiative.

So reason why you argue this on youtube comments? Can't hold your water otherwise?

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

Lol! When did Israel ever "offered" something which wasn't allready demanded from them by international law? It's like a thief stealing money and offering back 15%. Thats zionist righteousness.

Very hypocritical questions frome someone who argues here himself. And very typical from zionists to get personal, when they can't argue. But I admit that it is easy to argue against supporters of an ideology which can't be implemented and maintained without crimes against humanit.y.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube Love the Arab logic. Ranting more about international law/crimes against humanity when nothing of the sort has been presented.

Oslo accords/Camp David peace initiatives offered 100% of Gaza and 97% of the WB with land swaps on the table plus other incentives. No counter offer was presented by Arafat at the time, and the maximalist demands by the PA continue.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

No international law/crimes against humanity have been presented? LOL! Read the late annual report by amnesty international.

Maximalist demands? LOL! Israel was declared in partition plan borders. What are you talking about?

And Rabin never wanted to give up control on jordan valley or Jerusalem as a capital. He offered something less than a state, not a souvereign state. Same in Camp David. This has nothing to do with a souvereign palestinian state. Israels offers Bantustans.

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube Amnesty international regurgitates old unfounded allegations and uses the Goldstone report as its basis. Funny that you think this and many other NGO's have any relevance these days besides being political forums.

Israel didn't declare anything. Arafat stated bantustans making the old apartheid connection, which again, he learned nicely from the Soviets.

Come back when you read Camp david. Go to a forum like JREF. You're failing repeatedly here. 'Lol'.

[Dengatube]

@bigjelmapro

Yeah right. There have been so many reports in all this years even fromt the UN and the are all unfounded allegations. LOL!

Israels proclamation was within borders of partition plan. Even Sharon used the word Bantustan. Israel was a close friend of apartheid southafrica.

I read Camp David and also the article "The brilliant offer Israel never made".

You're failing repeatedly here and running out of arguments. Thats the reason for your ad hominem attacks. Lol

[bigjelmapro]

@Dengatube Nice that you're trying to turn this ad hominem bit around on me.

The Arab bloc in the UN doesn't really count as a moral compass.

Sharon never used the term. Arafat used it after the Soviets did.

Read that Guardian article, chock full of inconsistencies, ie land swaps, which never got past initial proposals, especially regarding locations. I trust Karsh and Clinton for their accounts rather than some liberal media outlet.

[Dengatube]

Lustick adressed the distoritions of Kars in "Israeli History: Who is Fabricating What?"

You call it fantasy because you can't face the truth of 300.000 expelled Palestinians and hundreds of destroyed villages and many captured arab towns before their intervention.

The Balfour declaration was the discrimination of the natives.

[bigjelmapro]

Read about their statements of their intentions and forcing them to flee villages in the mandate and recently independent Israel. There was no honorable intentions of the ALA and the Arab league other than conquering and cutting up pieces of land for themselves.

There are no indigenous people of Palestine. The PA has tried, at the same time no less, to tie themselves to the Philistines (Greek of origin) to Phoenicians (also European), and the wide group of Canaanites. All failed.

[pulseramallah]

@bigjelmapro Palestinians are indiginious to Palestine

all semite tribes including hebrews originate from Saudi Arabia

however European Jewry is purely European... nothing to do with the middle east

It is a European colonization of Palestine, its hilarious that you even try to talk about arab origins, they even look like the land...

[bigjelmapro]

@pulseramallah Hebrews don't originate from the Arabian peninsula, those are south semitic people.

Indo europeans settled what is now Israel and the territories before the Arabs, aka S. semitic people settled it. There's no dispute about this, well, except in the fantasy Arab street.

How do you wonder the Arabs from the Arabian peninsula now have countries stretching all over the ME and parts of N. Africa? Colonization.

[bigjelmapro]

@pulseramallah Again, difference between semitic north and south. Ethnic Arabs are S. Semitic people, Hebrew N. Semitic.

Again, Indo-Europeans, which includes Phoenicians and Philistines, settled Syria, which includes what is generally referred to as Palestine (not a country), before the ethnic Arabs did.

No need to reinvent history. And I find it entertaining that because one walks around with a camel, one is indigenous. Try again.

[readytowork9]

it's not about camels, nobody mentioned camels other than yourself;

you think Palestinians are riding camels?

Israelis are of european origin even by Israel's state official statistics

European jews are not of semetic origin but jew-converts Arab jews have always existed in the Arabian peninsula and originated as SOUTH semetic peoples

you are making up your own history and i dont want to discuss more with you,

[bigjelmapro]

@readytowork9

"talk about arab origins, they even look like the land", that's where I made the camel assertion.

What you're stating is redundant as I've stated this already.

Indo Europeans resided in the area of Lebanon and Syria (including the Palestine Mandate minus the Transjordan) as Phoenicians, Philistines, etc. whom are NOT semitic people but of European origin.

Ethnic Arabs do not own the entire ME.

[readytowork9]

@bigjelmapro Again your making the same mistake

Arab historians state the arabization of the native population of Palestine

during Arab conquest, as with the rest of the middle east. Indo Europeans is a vast term

that includes many cultures, using it is in this context is shadowy...

they even look like the land, has nothing to do with camels, but with an ancient culture that is preserved by Palestinians, that even European jews attempt to copy such as Palestinian food..

[readytowork9]

@bigjelmapro You're all over the place making wrong historic statements, and not

implying that Palestinians are of European origin? again check Israel's state statistics

most of Israel's population is European immiggrants..

Again when Abraham arrived in Yabous(Jerusalem) it was inhabitted for thousands of years before his arrival, like all cities of Palestine, Jews always were a minority in Palestine even though modern european jewery has nothing to do with those jews

[readytowork9]

@readytowork9 Also what are you doing viewing video on Palestinian prisoners children? are you trying to justify political imprisonment by claiming a semetic origin of European jewery?

[bigjelmapro]

@readytowork9 Polical imprisonment? One doesn't get 18 years imprisonment for political activism. This is an entirely different position and has nothing to do with the other argument. No need to obfuscate the matter further.

[bigjelmapro]

@readytowork9 Retroactively applying the term Palestine when it wasn't used until the end of the Ottoman period doesn't

You do understand the term 'Arabization' do you not? First it occurred towards the end of the 7th century, and as the term implies means the Arab influence of a non-Arab area. Additionally, this area has seen its changing of spheres of influence for millenia.

Indo-Europeans settled the area before the Arabs did. Simple as that.

[bigjelmapro]

Yes, by Indo-Europeans. So before the Southern/Western Semitic people (ie Arabs), existed, before Arabic existed, before Assyrians, and way way way before the term Palestinian was invented, as in after Judaism as well.

Your point?

[Ibnfarouk]

if these people(Zionists) hated John the baptist and Jesus, how the hell can they treat the Palestinians good?

[ballsauce666]

FACTS on Israel, Illegal Military Occupation, Gaza, the West Bank check out:

Noam Chomsky - Norman Finkelstein - Robert Fisk - Jeff Halper - Amira Haas

BTSELEM, Human Rights Watch

The Iron Wall PT 5, - (great vid!)

Peace Propaganda and the Promised Land,

Occupation 101,

The Israel Lobby, The Killing Zone, 911 Missing Links.

All these comments directing hate and violence towards Arabs is all part of the Zionist game.

See: AIPAC US-media/gov, Zionism, JINSA, PNAC, HASBARA, Irgun

./

[SayParallel]

Sickening. This needs to stop.

[mujahid313]

bigjelmapro you are a liar and brainwashed Zionist

only 12%-17% of jews were from Arab countries the rest came from all over the world

So your saying if someone stays in a country for 2 years they can rebel against the rulers and establish a seperate country? Thats just stupid, baseless and illogical

And the Khilafah will soon be re-established all over the Muslim world (including the Zionist entity). How long can you try to stop the inevitable...

[bigjelmapro]

I can see you found a catchphrase and are sticking to it, regardless if you actually know the meaning of the term itself.

The simple case is that the Arab Muslims lost out to the Jews (over 850,000 whom were Jews from Arab countries themselves) in terms of migration. One can claim to be a Palestinian if they have lived at least 2 years in 'Palestine' prior to 1948, this is according to the UN.

The caliphate is dead, but stick to the Arabian peninsula when trying to make it again....

[antineocon4ever]

I am disgusted and ashamed to be an American citizen. I hope the Palestinian people know that most Americans don't agree with the zionists. It is our government who are on the zionists' side, not us. The Palestinian people are being killed every day and no one does anything. May the people who agree with the zionists be eternally cursed.

[bigjelmapro]

What international humanitarian law is broken arresting those who commit acts of violence against Israelis? There isn't one

Don't see an issue here. If you killed or attempt to kill Israelis, then you get jailed. Doesn't matter if you try to disguise it under some misguided 'resistance' pretense

Don't know what the whining is all about. Palestinians are better treated in Israeli prisons that treated by their own brethren

One thing should be changed:If you kill an Israeli, you should be killed

[mujahid313]

reply to bigjelmapro

thats exactly what the Nazis used to say about the Jews who used fight back in their ghettos.

the irony!

Zionism is the bastard child of Nazism.

[bigjelmapro]

The comparison between what the Nazis and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is baseless. Israel doesn't have any final solution to exterminate the Palestinians, don't put them in work camps to work them to death, don't gas them, and don't shut them into ghettos where they starve to death or suffer from typhus and a number of other maladies.

Show the comparison/equating between the two....

Its an utter failure to compare/equate the two.

Hamas/PLO charter state otherwise.

[mujahid313]

If you lot had the oppurtunity then you would.

Gaza is the world largest prison/ghetto. Palestinians are daily humliated by the occupiers. Zionists do regular killing sprees every so often.

And the Zionists final solution is to get them all out of Palestine not as extreme as Nazis but still pure evil.

Your in Israel. Are u a Zionist or native?

If your Zionist then get out and go back home.

Israel will be destroyed eventually just like the crusader state was destroyed (although it took 150 yrs).

[bigjelmapro]

Thanks for admitting that the comparison is pure speculation and nothing more than an empty allegation.

Gaza has been a dump since the Egyptians occupied it from 1948-67. Israel built Gaza up from 67 to 1992 when Arafat made it backwards again.

Jews existed continuously in Gaza since the 11th century BC, and Rafah was founded by Jews. No need to make all lands conquered by Arab Islamists judenfrei.

So enough with the jokes and fantasies. Enjoy your ignorance.

[mujahid313]

Zionism is the bastard child of Nazism. No one can deny that.

Israel only develops Jewish settlements and bombs Palestinian ones.

And Jews do have a right to live in Palestine but not Zionists. Zionists must go back to wherever they came from.

Call it whatever you want but the Khilafah will soon be established then you will see.

[Ibnfarouk]

yeah and Jericho was founded 10,000 years ago. 6,200 before the Jews existed, 6,200 fuckin years !!!!!

[hard2get30]

הלוואי שיבוא היום וכולם יחזרו למשפחותיהם בריאים.

باذن الله سياتي يوم ليعودوا الى عائلاتهم سالمين

inshalla they will return healthy to their families

[ikran2007]

this so sad that grown ppl from the west pay money for the suffering of the palestinian ppl.

[ninyostorm]

pallywood

[CrossDressingNazi]

This video is old it is alot more now!

[Allergikum]

damn you mofo's, how dare u judging the behaviour of palestines being terroristed by jew's and israelis!!! tell me what choice they got?? 2000 years ago the jews were living on this ground and with the power of england and now america they have come back to kill human? what a honor they deserve ur jewish friends! i dont know! and i wont know! the zionic race of jews will be judged by god and no one else!!

may all pro-war jews be cursed!

god bless the freedom fighters!

[AndreXtra]

Do you think that jewish children could travel through palestinians territories without being killed?

[Dangerous120]

That is the stupidest question u could ask.. im not gonna explain to u why.. but ill leave u with this.. everyday.. a palestinian dies inside current palestine and occupied palestine.. tens of thousands of kids were butchered by the zionists.. yet the parents above still have the heart to send out their kids and put their safety in the hands of the murderers.. they dont lack the love one should give a child, they just want to give them an opinion on how their lives will turn out if Israel exists

[AlIslamFiShatr]

Zionism = Nazism, Marxism, apartheid, secularism etc..

[AndreXtra]

ISLAM means submission means slavery means blind followers equals fascism = nazism.

[bibobanderas]

Speak only of what you know boy, and don't you dare talk on behalf of Islam which is something you know nothing of. On what basis do you put your rather ridiculously, absurd argument and logical sequence may i ask?.I will not Insult you for I do not believe that an eye for an eye would make the whole world blind, but i'll saturate myself with mildly addressing with a very intense note of unappreciative criticism. I would also urge you to read more about Islam before you start making false claims

[palestinian4lyf]

andrextra go die

how the f are palestinians livin in a good situatoin

[hajghaith]

Great video how could anyone put children in prison how could the world turn blind to that

[rosaryfilms]

hajghaith, thank you for watching!

[bigjelmapro]

@hajghaith Ever heard of juvenile detention centers?

[sual54]

Free Palestina!!!

[phaedress]

Jesus wept.

[BeyondPrincess]

Asalam Alaikum

it is so humbling to see what our Ummah go thru on a daily basis!! May ALLAH Reward them all & bring them the freedom they are entitled to!!

[BoriChumba]

It is disgusting beyond belief that parents & anyone over the age of 16 is not allowed to visit their loved ones. It speaks volumes about the evil zionist regime who illegally occupies Palestine. If anyone has any doubt as to how barbaric they are please type in Deir Yassin!

[BirdsChirpALLAH]

Keep living in ISLAM, praying, we are made by our only CREATOR, to pray!

[BirdsChirpALLAH]

We love PALESTINA, GAZA! We love you Brothers Sisters in ISLAM! Also we love, Israeli children, they are innocent, keep it in mind! Islam being is not easy! ISLAM way goes only through love, heart!

[btodawg83]

It is fair to criticize Israel for not allowing people over 16 to visit their relatives, but these people are violent criminals. Please, someone prove to me that the Palestinians in prison mentioned in this video are innocent, and there will be no doubt in my mind that Israel is in the wrong.

[ChoofMonster]

Unfortunately, Israel does need to deal with terrorists from "Palestine". I don't know why locking them up is illegal unless they are denied due process (which does exist in Israel).

Naming their child "Jihad" doesn't seem to bode well for his future...

[hajghaith]

Oddly enough you have less chance of claiming Fair when you are occupining others killing them by the thousands you have displaced a whole nation, and please tell me why are all other peoples responsible when they dispalce people but israelis bear no responsiblity and when anyone dares to criticizes you for the crimes that you do you wave that unti semitism bullshit!

[AndreXtra]

ARABS told the palestinians to leave their houses (for safety) cause they said they would kill all the jews.

The palestinians / muslims / christians / arabs that stayed are living in Israel, enjoying more freedoms then anywhere in islamic countrys.

[hajghaith]

Is that why you have Palestinian children in Israeli prisons, and why are Palestinians in Hebron then Jeruselem can't do any maintenance to their properties you stole and still are stealing more of their properties what freedom are you taklking about and the ones who left in the past were forced to leave escaping massacres don't twist the facts that everyone knows!

[qarnain06]

Tell that to Molokai Vanunu

[hajghaith]

Yes, the killings are going on daily, Babies being killed, Old olive groves bulldozed, apartments being built for Israeli settlers,'Deir Yassin' a massacre of Palestinians which happend in '1948' have you heard of it?!

[EkBalam707]

Plaestine should be freed.

Probably the USA won't freed Palestine since Bush supports israel more than the same USA, but probbaly the Messiah " JesusChrist" will freed Palestine when he come again to planet earth.

[ScientologySucksAss]

Only thing more disturbing than Isreal is the USA doing this exact same thing in Guantanamo Bay. Isreal and USA are freaking Nazi's.