I suggest a "flaming chalice" or "Sunburst" would be more illuminating monument for human inspiration for cooperation and peace than this Judeo-Christian-Islamic monstrosity. No offense, but it seems more a devisive symbol of spiritual intolerance, exclusivity and spiritual decay that denys the equally valid spiritual paths taken by Buddhists, Hindus, Sufis, Freethinkers, Pantheists, Diests, Atheists, etc. and those of us who refer to ourselvesas "Brights".
I think that you're missing the point. This monument is not for 'human inspiration for cooperation', but rather a testament to the faith of a people. And obviously it denied the spiritual paths of other religions, because this is not an oecumenical monastery - there's no reason to 'validate' them in this place/
@mishakaz I don't think I missed any point at all, perhaps you are the one who misses the point. My view is that this "faith" you are so enamoured with is nothing more than myth and superstition and that this "higher than Rio's" Tower of Babel driven monument is nothing more than an obsolete icon that symbolizes for a great many millions a dangerous theology, that Christ will return to "this exact spot" is delusion. It is apparent that you cling desparately to that myth. I do not.
I guess you didn't pay well attention. The idea that Christ will return to that mountain is a tradition, not a teaching. I do agree that it is silly for Christians to try to outdo anything, as it falls into covetousness and falls directly in violation of one of the Commandments.
However, what you are failing to realise is that these people consider themselves Christian. This means that they see Jesus Christ as having not only existed but also as their God and Messiah. And since this is the case, where would that leave room for a Buddha or a Mohammed or an Amaterasu? They simply and logically do and can not fit into their theology.
Furthermore, the site of this statue is in one of their spiritual centres. And as such, there is no discernible reason why they would convert it to something vaguely support your aforementioned principles, when they see their faith as the most valid system for it.
@mishakaz That site, and a thousand other sites be they Jewish or Muslim - rock, sand, water, earth, desert or oasis - all myth and magic - the kingdom of God (whatever God means to each individual or no God at all) is in an imaginary edifice like a golden cow or arbitrarily chosen site over which every evil propensity of humankind will argue and even kill to preserve. Hence my original comment.
The Kingdom of God is no edifice, it is all around us. But, if you consider all of existence to be Arbitrary, then I suppose that you are correct. God (in the Abrahamic sense) gave us this world not as some training ground, but as a permanent residence - before as well as after the Second Judgement.
I find it interesting how you consistently criticise Christianity, but attempt to universalise it by afterwards lumping other faiths in to an aforementioned example, as if it is also their dogma.
@mishakaz It is their "dogma" as I said in orig comment. DOGMA IS THE PROBLEM! I do not believe in Second Coming. My life is what I am capable of discerning from day to day within my own space & time. Abrah faiths are no more inclined toward superstition than any other "religions" , but my view is that these 3 ARE more inclined towards murder, terror, intolerance, and myopia. I support evolutionary metaphysics & shattering these "sacred myths" not approving, condoning or enabling.
@mishakaz As I recall, the moslem and yes even the hindu believe that Jesus will return although flavored with their on particular seasonings like any indigenous dish. Amaterasu? Had to look that one up and I have to admit that they would not be impressed with this Crucifix at all, nor I given the power of our sun upon which all life as we know it wholly depends.
Ameratsu would find the whole Crucifix business offensive, I think. I know of no other tradition wherein a god lowers and limits himself by taking on human form and then allows himself to be destroyed by his own creation to help restore them onto the path they faltered from by disobeying him. Gods will stay gods, though they may do things for humanity or even sacrifice for themselves, but never with a purely selfless intention. Other gods would probably look at Christ's undertaking with disdain
@mishakaz Tradition? Teaching? How do you distinguish the two in light of what Christianity of every flavor believes? Call it what you like, the second coming, second advent, whatever, that superstition is dangerous to humanity in and of itself although the narrator states quite clearly that this monstrosity will be erected where Christ will stand...instantaneously or after walking across the Middle East - a dangerous mythic fantasy.
Since the Russians are helping fund this, I would assume they are Syriac Orthodox, as Russia is also Orthodox. There's no reason for them to be dealing with Catholics.
It is very normal in Syria to see a mosque and a church next to each other, and it is very normal for Muslims to celebrate Christians holidays and for Christians to celebrate Muslims holidays
Long live the Islamic and Christian Nation of Syria.
May all the religions love each other forever
syriandruze 1 year ago 2
I suggest a "flaming chalice" or "Sunburst" would be more illuminating monument for human inspiration for cooperation and peace than this Judeo-Christian-Islamic monstrosity. No offense, but it seems more a devisive symbol of spiritual intolerance, exclusivity and spiritual decay that denys the equally valid spiritual paths taken by Buddhists, Hindus, Sufis, Freethinkers, Pantheists, Diests, Atheists, etc. and those of us who refer to ourselvesas "Brights".
jereuter01 2 years ago
I think that you're missing the point. This monument is not for 'human inspiration for cooperation', but rather a testament to the faith of a people. And obviously it denied the spiritual paths of other religions, because this is not an oecumenical monastery - there's no reason to 'validate' them in this place/
mishakaz 2 years ago
@mishakaz I don't think I missed any point at all, perhaps you are the one who misses the point. My view is that this "faith" you are so enamoured with is nothing more than myth and superstition and that this "higher than Rio's" Tower of Babel driven monument is nothing more than an obsolete icon that symbolizes for a great many millions a dangerous theology, that Christ will return to "this exact spot" is delusion. It is apparent that you cling desparately to that myth. I do not.
jereuter01 2 years ago
I guess you didn't pay well attention. The idea that Christ will return to that mountain is a tradition, not a teaching. I do agree that it is silly for Christians to try to outdo anything, as it falls into covetousness and falls directly in violation of one of the Commandments.
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mishakaz 2 years ago
However, what you are failing to realise is that these people consider themselves Christian. This means that they see Jesus Christ as having not only existed but also as their God and Messiah. And since this is the case, where would that leave room for a Buddha or a Mohammed or an Amaterasu? They simply and logically do and can not fit into their theology.
mishakaz 2 years ago
(PART 3)
Furthermore, the site of this statue is in one of their spiritual centres. And as such, there is no discernible reason why they would convert it to something vaguely support your aforementioned principles, when they see their faith as the most valid system for it.
mishakaz 2 years ago
@mishakaz That site, and a thousand other sites be they Jewish or Muslim - rock, sand, water, earth, desert or oasis - all myth and magic - the kingdom of God (whatever God means to each individual or no God at all) is in an imaginary edifice like a golden cow or arbitrarily chosen site over which every evil propensity of humankind will argue and even kill to preserve. Hence my original comment.
jereuter01 2 years ago
The Kingdom of God is no edifice, it is all around us. But, if you consider all of existence to be Arbitrary, then I suppose that you are correct. God (in the Abrahamic sense) gave us this world not as some training ground, but as a permanent residence - before as well as after the Second Judgement.
I find it interesting how you consistently criticise Christianity, but attempt to universalise it by afterwards lumping other faiths in to an aforementioned example, as if it is also their dogma.
mishakaz 2 years ago
@mishakaz It is their "dogma" as I said in orig comment. DOGMA IS THE PROBLEM! I do not believe in Second Coming. My life is what I am capable of discerning from day to day within my own space & time. Abrah faiths are no more inclined toward superstition than any other "religions" , but my view is that these 3 ARE more inclined towards murder, terror, intolerance, and myopia. I support evolutionary metaphysics & shattering these "sacred myths" not approving, condoning or enabling.
jereuter01 2 years ago
@mishakaz As I recall, the moslem and yes even the hindu believe that Jesus will return although flavored with their on particular seasonings like any indigenous dish. Amaterasu? Had to look that one up and I have to admit that they would not be impressed with this Crucifix at all, nor I given the power of our sun upon which all life as we know it wholly depends.
jereuter01 2 years ago
Ameratsu would find the whole Crucifix business offensive, I think. I know of no other tradition wherein a god lowers and limits himself by taking on human form and then allows himself to be destroyed by his own creation to help restore them onto the path they faltered from by disobeying him. Gods will stay gods, though they may do things for humanity or even sacrifice for themselves, but never with a purely selfless intention. Other gods would probably look at Christ's undertaking with disdain
mishakaz 2 years ago
@mishakaz Tradition? Teaching? How do you distinguish the two in light of what Christianity of every flavor believes? Call it what you like, the second coming, second advent, whatever, that superstition is dangerous to humanity in and of itself although the narrator states quite clearly that this monstrosity will be erected where Christ will stand...instantaneously or after walking across the Middle East - a dangerous mythic fantasy.
jereuter01 2 years ago
Who build & fund this? The Maronite Catholics or the Syriac Orthodoxes?
bluesbegedel 2 years ago
Russian Funding this project
johnmiller6868 2 years ago
The russian building and funding
johnmiller6868 2 years ago
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bluesbegedel 2 years ago
Since the Russians are helping fund this, I would assume they are Syriac Orthodox, as Russia is also Orthodox. There's no reason for them to be dealing with Catholics.
mishakaz 2 years ago
Thank you for the answer!
bluesbegedel 2 years ago
'Those who call themself 'Christians' are truly ur friends' --- Qur'an!
AlGhaffar 2 years ago
What and why are muslims celebrating?
lawza3 2 years ago
There are not just muslims, there are cristian syrians too.
Danoneeno 2 years ago
It is very normal in Syria to see a mosque and a church next to each other, and it is very normal for Muslims to celebrate Christians holidays and for Christians to celebrate Muslims holidays
calpolyis 2 years ago
This is really wonderful. I just hope the statue will be well-sculptured.
Webins 2 years ago