Names Removed From The Book shows Calvinism is a Lie - Jacques More

[SalvationTruths]

Amen....excellent video brother Jacques...keep shining the truth so men won't get deceived! Praise God for your excellent work for our wondrous King!

[daboomerang319]

Rev 3:5 never says names can be blotted out? He is saying those who overcome are those who are saved and the saved will NEVER BE BLOTTED OUT. You are reading it wrong my friend.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi daboomerang319,

Since the act of blotting out is mentioned are you suggesting it is impossible for a name to be blotted out?

Are you saying that Jesus says things he does not mean are possible?

"continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off" Romans 11:22

So, Rev 3:5 does indicate that names can be blotted out.

[daboomerang319]

@gracetruthguy . No you are saying that I am saying that Jesus says things he does not mean. I am saying that Jesus DID NOT SAY I WILL BLOT YOUR NAME OUT.  Jesus said I WILL NOT BLOT YOUR NAME OUT. If you want to hold to your position then you have to reconcile the fact that Jesus said "all that the Father gives me will come to me and I will not cast them out" or "this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day."

[gracetruthguy]

Hi daboomerang319,

It appears you are reading John 6 out of context:

Take a peek at this vid "not so Quick Answer to Calvinists John 15:16 (& John 6) - Jacques More"

The fact the A MENTION is made of blotting out means the possiblity of blotting out exists: period. That is all I am claiming.

Have you not read Moses?

"but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written.” Exodus 32:32

[daboomerang319]

@gracetruthguy. Ok you win. Arminians are the champions. Calvinsts are delusional and reading scriptures wrong. Thanks for the insight. Maybe one day in the next life we can break bread. If God does not blot you out of his book that is. Peace!

[gracetruthguy]

Hi daboomerang319,

I'm not an Arminian as not all identified with that I read in Scripture.

e.g. It is explcit God searches to learn some things:

"God withdrew from him, in order to test him, that He might know all that was in his heart"

2 Chronicles 32:31

Did you know Calvinism began with Augustine C my vid:

"Augustine began 'Calvinism' - Jacques More"

Peace to you too.

[daboomerang319]

@gracetruthguy. Anyway i don't really like to get into proff text wars they are a dead end. to take one verse and refute 30 verses that say otherwise is, well ridiculous. So Rev 3:5 cancells out Jesus' other statments that empahticaly claim that all that the Father gives Jesus 1. Will come. 2. Jesus WILL raise them up on the last day. or Paul's statements. He who began a good work WILL, well not really , MIGHT if you continue, complete it till the day of Christ Jesus. I am out. Peace!

[daboomerang319]

@gracetruthguy. Anyway i don't really like to get into proff text wars they are a dead end.  to take one verse and refute 30 verses that say otherwise is, well ridiculous. So Rev 3:5 cancells out Jesus' other statments that empahticaly claim that all that the Father gives Jesus 1. Will come. 2. Jesus WILL raise them up on the last day. or Paul's statements. He who began a good work WILL, well not really , MIGHT if you continue, complete it till the day of Christ Jesus. I am out. Peace!

[gracetruthguy]

Hi daboomerang319,

You don't! (yet you do)???

You're out! (yet you're not as you continue)

Check out my other vids that reply to those texts.

Peace

[apollos6640]

@gracetruthguy... yes you called CBALLEN out on Isaiah 42:8, I've been debating him for over a year... he's notorious for being quick to condemn anyone who disagrees with his "He-chose-me-Centered Theology", completely ignorant and continuesly being guilty of Blasphemy. His latest ERROR was on Luke 7:30 "The Pharisees and Scribes REJECTED Gods purpose/will/decree/plan/couns­il for themselves by not being baptised..." CBALLEN states that they were "FULFILLING His Purpose by not being baptised"!!!

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBallen,

I have asked you a question earlier and you have not answered it.

["I am the LORD, that is My name; and My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."

Isaiah 42:8

Do you believe God planned or decreed

someone other than Himself to receive

worship?]

I'll give you 24 hours* to answer and then I'll respond to all your latest posts.

Failing that all your latest posts and any new ones will be deleted.

*allowing for a response/give or take

[CBALLEN]

"this should help expose calvinism for its false teachings."

In peoples hatred of God's sovereignty,they accept the God of the Bible as an ignoramus.How very telling.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBALLEN,

Please answer this:

If God knows all because He has decreed all, as Calvin asserts in his Institutes, then after this passage answer the question:

"I am the LORD, that is My name; and My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."

Isaiah 42:8

Do you believe God planned or decreed

someone other than Himself to receive

worship?

Yes or no?

Your whole theology rests on that.

[CBALLEN]

God regenerates us into NEW CREATIONS by making us Born Again so we will accept Him and the Gospel,if He didn't then NO ONE would come.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBALLEN,

John wrote:

"As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become chidren of God, even to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" John1:12-13

The birthing out of God occurs AFTER the authority to become a child of God occurs AFTER as many as received Him/to those who believe in His name.

See my vid

"The meaning of born again - Jacques More"

[CBALLEN]

The problem is ,you don't comprehend what you are reading.If you follow what the verse is saying,it say we were born of God,not of blood ,flesh or man's will.This is why we receive Him(Jesus)

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBALLEN,

You've not even looked at the video. Have you?

Please read me carefully.

The birthing out of God - EK (Greek) is what Verse 12 is about it coocurs AFTER the authority to become a child of God is made. Are you suggestgin it is before that?

ANd it is explcit as a cause and effect that it is AFTER and as a consequence of receiving (action on our part) and THAT is = to believing in His name.

As per John 3, but believing in His name is His character

C the vid

[CBALLEN]

I told you that God's perscriptive will calls for all to worship Him,yet His decree allowed that some would worship false or lesser gods,the same way that He intended what happened to Joseph,although sinful,to save many alive.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBALLEN,

God is explicit I will NOT give my praise to another!

Yet your doctrine - in order to work - has to say: O yes He does!

What blasphemy!

Gods use of what is in existence like evil and wickedness is not the same as His planning it or desiring it to happen at all!

That is confusion.

You are saying God wills others to receive His praise.

To what end, greater praise to Him in the long run?

Have you not read Jesus words?

A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand.

[CBALLEN]

gracetruthguy ,all that I can say is I hope that you meet the REAL GOD some day,because what you are trying to sell as the gospel is heretical pure and simple.Can you even find a scripture that confirms man has a free will and that God must work around it?How could Jesus be so sure that the pharasees that he claimed were not His sheep would not escape Hell?Why didn't Jesus just tell them to use their free will and drop to their knees and accept HIM into their little hearts?

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBALLEN,

"how often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!" Luke 13:34

God wants relationships with real free beings who want it too, not robots.

Why shoud he force someone to believe if that relationship then is a sham as it is not wanted?

Do you not believe God has self-control?

[CBALLEN]

Man is the hero of all history when it come right down to it(according to you) Your god must walk around wringing his hands constantly,trying to work out everything in the universe never knowing man's next step.He didn't know what was going on at the tower of babble,Sodom and Gomorrah,He wasn't sure if The Ninevites were going to repent or even if Jonah was finally gonna go there.Your god got lucky when Judas sold Jesus out for 30 pieces of silver and then he found some to even kill Jesus!

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBALLEN,

You are good at distorting things not believed by others. If God knows all that is knowable how can He be like you describe?

[CBALLEN]

It's also gonna be a shame that Hell will be a reminder of just how big a failure your god was,because it will be full of people that your god so desperatly tried to save but he just didn't have the power to do it.Why was Jesus slain from the foundation of the Earth?And how come if everyone has been given the same amount of grace and mercy,everyone is not saved ?Exactly what do you have to boast about,since you accomplished salvation for yourself and others will go to Hell?

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBALLEN,

The bible tells me that God will not force into heaven someone who does not want to be there.

The sovereign God of Calvinism has no self-control yet the bible I read tells me He does. (Gal. 5:23)

It tells me He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.

He desires all men to be saved.

He is not willing that any should perish.

God's gift of free will since it is a gift does not befit me to boast about it if I use it for good. That's illogical.

[CBALLEN]

gracetruthguy ,I take it that God didn't know where Adam and Eve were after they sinned ,maybe He didn't even know they sinned or God was not aware that Able had been killed by Cain,when he was asked where his brother was?

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBALLEN,

There are things told us which are understood as for the sake of the individuals in the narrative. In order to relate with them he asks "where Are you?" not because He does not know since we are told elsewhere his eyes are everywhere for example.

[CBALLEN]

How does your god bring prophecy to pass?He can't.Man has nothing at all to fear from your god,because it is man who controls your god.I'm not trying to be mean at all,I'm just telling you that your god doesn't exist.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi BALLEN,

Prophecy involves God limiting choices and inputting direction or people to do things to bring things about. He does what He declares. And He tells us what He sees and has permitted to happen.

Isaiah 46 is clear that what He declares He makes come about.

[CBALLEN]

At the judgement the BOOKS will be opened.The Lamb's Book of Life is the Book of Christ's perfection that is imputed to the believer.You would have us believe that everytime a Christian sinned he would have his name constantly blotted out and written back in after asking for forgivness.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBALLEN,

I'm not sure where you get the idea from that the Book of life is as you describe.

I would not have you believe that every time you sin your name is blotted out. If you look at Ezekiel 18:24 you see the change required is a complete turnaround with all accompanying fruit.

A step out of God's hand is not a full walk out of His hand.

The prodigal son did not leave the father -and was dead and lost thereon - until a period of time had elapsed to hand over the inheritance.

[CBALLEN]

The book of life or the living is different from the LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE.If a person can have his name blotted out of the Lamb's Book of Life,then Jesus would have to say I once knew you but now I don't.Jesus will say I never knew you!

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBALLEN,

I NEVER KNEW YOU is in context a reference to those who "work iniquity" Matthew 7;23

Just like Judas Iscariot whom John tells us was never one of them in 1 Jn 2:18-19 and was a thief in his regular practise in Jn 12:1-8 and Jesus knew from the start he was not one of His in Jn 6:64

[CBALLEN]

I also have seen that you believe in open theism.You are certainly confused about who God is.God determines the end at the beginning,and if God didn't know this ,He wouldn't be God! All that is,was or will be has been decreed by GOD.Your god is not the god of the Bible,you have a weak god who cannot do as he pleases.He can't save who he wants and some he wants to save end up in Hell,he is at the mercy of a flawed man.The pots control the potter!

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBALLEN,

Yeap, I cannot deny the Scripture that shows me God learns some things.

2 Chron. 32:31 et al

He determines the end which He declares only as per Isa 46

He is the God who reveals Himsefl as He is in the bible. That is my source of belief for doctrine.

We only control what we are given to control. It is only that God occasionally learns about.

[CBALLEN]

How did Jesus know that Judas was a bad guy or that even if he was how did Jesus know that he'd stay that way?Judas could have had a change of heart,since you claim that God can't know what man will ultimatly do with his free will?

[gracetruthguy]

Hi CBALLEN,

Now that is a good question.

He knew men's hearts and he observed Judas for a time. And knowing already that (as per Mat.13:12 and 4 others the same) He saw that 'he had not' therefore He was not in a position to go on to receive more and have abundance (which only those who have can receive).

Knowing that he was picked to the task of being the betrayer from within and to teach the disciples how to recognise wolves in sheep's clothing. He was a thief John tells us...

[jaybramer]

I love you bro, but instead of citing scripture and 'debunking ours,' tell us HOW you're going to get to heaven. What must you DO?

[gracetruthguy]

Hi jaybramer,

Jesus said,

"he who does the truth comes to the light" John 3:21

The light is shared with all John 1:9

So as I receive it, then I have authority to be a Son of God

John 1:12

How, by the means we all have from the start: the unquenched spirit in us from God until we stray

cf. Ecclesiates 7:29; 12:7 et al

[jaybramer]

If I said to you, If you join my team I'll never kick you off of it. But, if you don't join my team I WILL kick you off." Does that make ANY sense?John 6:37 "All who come to me I will never cast out." What of those who don't come? They're NOT THERE TO BE CAST OUT! Similarly Revelation 3:5. Scripture must define scripture. Overcomers are CHRISTIANS 1 John 5:4,5. (not special ones). Their names are in the Lamb's book before the earth. Rev 13/8. Non-overcomers (christians) are NOT there, ever!

[gracetruthguy]

Hi jaybramer,

In regards to John 6 I recommend this video:

"not so Quick Answer to Calvinists John 15:16 (& John 6) - Jacques More"

[jaybramer]

If you don't overcome, you're not there to begin with, and not there from the foundation of the earth. Again, Rev. 3:5 is a blessed promise that Christian's names will NEVER be erased, which means they will always be saved and always be Christians!

[gracetruthguy]

Hi JB,

See my response earlier to this.

[jaybramer]

In Psalm 69:28 - David prayed to GOD to blot his enemies' names out of the BOOK OF THE LIVING. If this book the the Lamb's book, and only the elects names are written there before the foundation of the earth (Rev. 13:8/17:8), then he can't be praying God cast his enemies in hell. Since only the elects names are in the Lamb's book before the foundation of the earth, you're saying that David prays that the ELECT lose their salvation and be cast into hell! Does that make ANY sense?

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jaybramer,

If you look at this video you will find that 'elect' is an incorrect translation:

"Quick Answers to Calvinists The Elect - Jacques More"

There is no group of picked out individuals for salvation in the bible.

[jaybramer]

Brother, come on. In Revelation 13:8 and 17:8, the elects names were written there BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH. The non-elects' were not written there from the foundation of the earth. In Revelation 3:5, God promises overcomers their name will never be erased from the book of life. It's a blessed promise!!!! You've made it into a threat. 1 John 5:4,5 describes overcomers as CHRISTIANS, plain ordinary CHRISTIANS!!. Plus, Moses asked to be killed, not DAMNED. The book is of those alive!

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jaybramer,

The book of Life is from the foundation of the world, not the names written therein.

There is no 'elect' group in the sense of chosen and picked to be in the group. See my video on elect:

"Quick Answers to Calvinists The Elect - Jacques More"

Rev.3:5 is a promise and a threat for therein is contained a clear condition. Just as Paul also did:

"if you continue in goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off" Rom.11:22

1 Jn5:4-5 describes the fruit of someone believing

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jaybramer Pt2,

Moses asked for his name to be blotted out God's book.

If it is the book of those alive, that means being removed from the living does it not?

And indeed those who then live on to erternity? (since it is that book we are told in Rev. as the one made up of those who go on to life in eternity)

[dwaynesweatman1988]

I see the title is "Names removed from the Book..."

Can you provide one scripture of God removing a name from the Book of life?

[Haukman66]

Hah, more open theist garbage!!

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Haukman66,

In this Scripture (below) which Paul tells us clearly is profitable for doctrine (cf. 2 Timothy 3:16), please tell us, WHO WANTS TO KNOW?

"God withdrew from him, in order to test him, that He might know all that was in his heart" 2 Chronicles 32:31

Who wants to know?

What doctrine does that affect?

[Haukman66]

In open theism, God knows the present exhaustively. So, how could it be that God would test Hezekiah to see what was in his heart when God knows all present things and could just look into his heart to see what was there?

God routinely tests people--not so that God will learn what they will actually do, because God knows all things ( 1John 3:20); it is usually for the strengthening /purification of the faith of God's people (or individual) so they might learn and grow through the test.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Haukman66,

The deal with testing the heart is that the will of the person is involved. Until the person is put into that situation to make a choice one way or the other, God does not know the choice that will be made within that type of offered choise.

So that God was not lying when He said,

"NOW I know that you fear God' [to that extent] Genesis 22:12

1 John 3:20 is context specific:

If our heart condemn us: God knows all that is in the heart (relating to self condemnation).

[Haukman66]

Well, here I think you are grabbing at straws. God knows all, and is in control of the affairs of man. Did God have to wait for man, to make his 'freewill' choice to find out what would happen with Jesus? Acts 4:27-28 tells us that the people responsible for Jesus' death, did exactly what God predestined them to do. Isaiah 44:6-8 and Isaiah 46;10 speak of Gods omniscience. Try Ps. 139:1-4.  And what about 1Kings 8:39. God doesnt learn my friend, you are reading your own thoughts into it.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Haukman66,

If you care to look at my video:

"Does God know everything? - Jacques More" and also the comments made, I think you will find answers to your comments.

I trust you are not suggesting God was lying when He said, "NOW I know"?

[Haukman66]

I checked out your video, and watched the other one, on Non Christians getting to heaven. I think, you need to start actually reading your bible, and see what it says, before spreading your open theistic heresies. I am suggesting, you do not know how to read the bible, is what I am suggesting. You havent even addressed the verses I listed. And by the way, I heard you on the Dividing Line with James White, and think he made you look like a fool. Sorry, my opinion.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Haukman66,

If you recall I suggested looking at the video AND the comments. For there you will find answers to your passages of Psalm 139 and Isaiah 46 if I remember properly.

So yes, the passages you listed are covered. 1 Kings 8:39 in context of all the passages about God testing the hearts shows that how He knows involved a testing first.

James White ceased the conversation and did not permit further interaction. Hardly a forum for truth to be uncovered.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Dwayne,

There is no direct reference to a person whose name has been removed from the book. There are plenty of inferred ones since all those who have sinned against the Lord (in the sense meant in Exo.32:33) do have their names removed.

More important there are no Scriptures that tell us of a name in the Book of life that has and always will be there.

The opposite is given us:

God's revelation of Himself to us - His Word- tells us names get removed - period.

[dwaynesweatman1988]

So exegetically, how do you know Exo.32:33 is talking about the book of Life?

Secondly the scripture in Rev. 3 declares that he WILL NOT blot out the name. If you study systematically you will find that everyone who is born of God overcomes.(1 John 5:4)

Do you think the Bible is lying in 1 John 5:4?

You must make a distiction between Law and Gospel in your theology. There is none from what I have seen in your videos.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Dwayne,

Exegetically Exo.32:32-33 ties in with Ps.69:27-28 where the book of the living is explicit there as is the removal possibility.

In Rev. 3 it is conditional on the overcoming that He WILL NOT blot out.

Everyone who remains in their new birth state overcomes: Paul made clear

"If you continue in goodness. Otherwise you ALSO will be cut off' Rom.11:22

What was the gospel preached in Luke 9:6 BEFORE they even understood about the cross and the resurrection as per Lk.18:31-34?

[jaybramer]

Paul is talking (in rom. 11) to GENTILES AS A WHOLE, not individual believing gentiles! Instead of everybody citing passages, brother, maybe you can tell us what you're going to do to STAY SAVED, or stay deseving to get to heaven. Please, if GOD can't keep you saved, nor the intercessory work of Christ Heb. 7:25 (who always has his prayer answered by the way) and the Spirit can't keep you (the Spirit of ALL power), please tell us how you plan to get to heaven? What's you're secret?

[gracetruthguy]

Hi jaybramer,

It makes no sense for Paul to speak of unbelieving Jews being cut off and then say that Israel will be saved after the time of the Gentiles: it is about the believing and the unbelieving Jews.

So it is with the Gentiles believers: they remain in goodness, they are safe; any who does not gets cut off

God will not force into heaven anyone who does not want to be there.

Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. With God's help I remain faithful & I'll be there

[HeSavedMe100]

O' My.. Where to start.. "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book"...

Have you sinned against Him?

Have not ALL sinned against Him?

Why did you fail to mention Rev13:8 & 17:8? I will tell you why, because it ruins your theology.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi HeSavedMe100,

There's only 33 comments, and you appear not to have checked them before posting.

You'll find a full reply to Rev. there.

Do you really think the Lord was thinking of any old sin when He said that in Exodus? Have you not read there is only 1 unforgivable sin?

By that hermeneutics - as you display - no one will ever be saved since no names will be in the Book whatsoever.

[JimQualls]

There is NOT one person who can produce ONE Scripture that state a person HAS BEEN removed for the Book of Life. This would certainly seem to indicate you are adding something to the Scripture that is NOT there.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim,

Paul wrote that all Scripture is profitable for doctrine - 2 Timothy 3:16

Some people say they hold to sola scriptura, but in practise hold more to what they have chosen to believe above that.

You appear to not consider the 3 mentions that names can be blotted out of the Book of Life as if they were Scripture

And likely the same about the passages that show us God learning

2 Chronicles 32:31

Jeremiah 19:5

et al

[JimQualls]

Dear gracetruthguy, There is still NOT one place in Scripture that says a name WAS removed. Does this not suggest that you are missing the understanding of these passages?

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim,

More important for you is there is NOT one Scripture that says all names are put in the Book from the beginning.

But it is clear some folk do return to the Lord as seen by:

...also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Romans 11:23

In other words written back in the Book!

The Book of Life:

Is not a permanent holder of a set of names: i.e. As per NO scripture is it like that.

[JimQualls]

Eph 1:4-5

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

KJV

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim,

I recommend my video:

"Quick Answers to Calvinists Ephesians 1 - Jacques More"

[JimQualls]

Dear Gracetruth, This verse is why I say that those who claim they have a God given ability to remove their blood bought salvation belong to the church of the "Leaky Seals."

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

KJV

 Blessings,

Through HIs Blood,

Jim

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim,

Yes, the KJV has 'ye are sealed' when the Greek is 'ye were sealed' as it correctly translates itself in Ephesians 1:13

It is known for its bias towards Calvinism in such bad translation, let alone added words not in the Greek: e.g. "His" added in Romans 8:28 & 11:22

And R11:22 is clearcut that if you do not remain in goodness you also will be cut off.

As Paul said in R8:1

There is no condemnation" if you do "not walk after the flesh"

So, if you do, you will be.

[JimQualls]

Rev 17:8

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

KJV

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim,

GEGRAPTAI = It stands written

At the point in time that the Antichrist rules it stands written (those not in the Book) that is the context. The Book has been around since the foundation of the world.

Now please answer this:

God left him, to try him, that he might know all that was in his heart.

2 Chronicles 32:31 KJV

Who wants to know Jim?

Paul said all Scripture is profitable for doctrine, which one does this affect Jim?

Let's C if U are into sola scriptura?

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim.

Have I not replied to this comment?

There is NOT one person who can produce ONE Scripture that states a person HAS been placed in the Book of Life before their lifetime. This would certainly seem to indicate you are adding something to the Scripture that is NOT there.

"continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off" Romans 11:22

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim.

Have I not replied to this comment?

There is NOT one person who can produce ONE Scripture that states a person HAS been placed in the Book of Life before their lifetime. This would certainly seem to indicate you are adding something to the Scripture that is NOT there.

"continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off" Romans 11:22

[JimQualls]

John 10:28-30 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.

KJV

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim,

Yes, it gives great security to know that all the time we are believing (thus remaining in goodness) we are safe because God is greater than all: no one can snatch us.

But, He also has self-control (Gal.5:22-23) and will not hinder us to walk out of His hand in man's deliberate conscious turn to sin and wickedness: we can be deceived out of His hand, not snatched.

[JimQualls]

John 6:39

 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

KJV

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim,

It is not the Father's will that any sin.

Or for the man He speaks to turn from sin not to do other than He is asking, yet as they do, He releases them to the outcome:

"God works all these things, twice, in fact three times with a man, to bring back his soul from the pit, that he may be enlightened with the light of life."

Job 33:29-30

It is explicit the righteous can turn in Ezekiel 18:24

[JimQualls]

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

KJV

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim,

And him that departs from Him, He will not hinder as per Romans 11:22

[JimQualls]

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

KJV

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim,

I trust you had a good weekend.

"Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in goodness.

Otherwise you also will be cut off."

Romans 11:22

See, IF you do not continue in goodness then you would do evil (your fruit) and Jesus also said in John 5 of these who hear his voice:

"those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation" they will go - Verse 29

[JimQualls]

To the gentiles:

Acts 15:28-29

For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

KJV

[JimQualls]

2 Tim 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

KJV

Through His Blood,

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim,

My answer to this is the same as per Ephesians 1

See my video:

"Quick Answers to Calvinists Ephesians 1 - Jacques More"

The pronouns:

"us, us, our, us" in 2 Timothy 1:9 all point to the group in view and not to the individuals who will or will not be in the group.

[JimQualls]

Ps 119:89

For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.

KJV

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Jim,

If your view is that God has picked those saved, then "thy word" is indeed fixed.

If the bible does not show us that there is a fixed set of names (it doesn't), then it is not God's "word" in view as described by the names written in the Book of Life.

A point of interest:

forever here is OWLAM (Strong's 5769) and not (5703): for a good comparison look at Psalm 45:6

"You throne, O God, is forever (5769) and ever (5703)"

(check out my articles on Israel @ jarom (dot) net)

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Doug,

I understand your thought.

And thank you for the compliment.

However, in many cases it is not quite so.

There are many sincere believers - who love the truth - but because of deception hold to the doctrine of demons, whilst believing these things are the truth of God. For that is a definition of deception.

This is why it is important to supply the context to every passage they have been given to uphold their belief system: which are only texts out of contexts strung together

[raggedy80]

Sorry, GTG you have failed to prove one name has been blotted out, simply because it has never happened. Not one time has God said He has blotted anyone out, but could He? Of course He could, but He never has and never will because His grace is unfailing. God Bless.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Brandon,

So, am I to understand you want to believe God says things happen that do not?

The Bible also indicates God has self-control remember? (Galatians 5:22-23) But can you mention one act of His self-control?

(Since Calvis deny God ever practises this)

Nevertheless, since God said 'Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My Book' (Exodus 32:33), I offer you Achan (Joshua 7:20) and/or Zimri (Numbers 25:14).

Take your pick.

[raggedy80]

"So, am I to understand you want to ..."

Hi GTG, point is you can't show where one name has been removed/blotted out, until you have you have absolutely no argument. And God never said "it" happen. Like I said God could remove anyone from His book simply because He can do whatever He wants but He never had to remove one name, as scripture is so very clear that no one as been removed. No where does it say Achan and Zimri were ever in the book to start or that they had been removed. God Bless

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Brandon,

God says it is the one who sins against Him that has their name blotted out of the Book (Exo.32:33) and also that all souls are Gods (Ezekiel 18:4), let alone all are born innocent and upright (Ecclesiastes 7:29), then it is indicated that all have their names in the Book = the default position in the bible until they deliberately sin.

Nowhere does it say Achan and Zimri were NOT in the Book; that they were is indicated.

There is no 'elect' group: cf my video on 'elect'

[raggedy80]

"then it is indicated that all have their names in the Book = the default position in."

You are adding to holy scripture by making such a claim. Ps 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

If one is blotted out for sinning against God like you are assuming, are you then implying that your name is blotted out everyday, for the sins you will commit daily? I would like you to show me in scripture where one can be added back into the book of life. Thanks

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Brandon,

I recommend my video:

"Quick Answers to Calvinists Psalm 51:5 - Jacques More"

If you read Ezekiel 18 you will note that God is into a practise of wickedness as the gauge: a full fruit as the recognitive factor to being accounted fit for death.

So that your question is blind to the truth of how God judges as per Ezekiel 18 et al.

Inference and indications from Scripture is not adding to Scripture but a sound exegetical pratice: hence the trinity is sound doctrine

[raggedy80]

Could you please show me in scripture where one can be added back into the book of life? If not thank you for your time.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Brandon,

I think you misread me, if God is clear in who to remove from the Book, then they do not get back on. So there will not be any Scripture for that.

What you need to answer:

Please show me in Scripture where no names are written in the 1st place: for all souls?

(since the opposite is inferred/indicated)

[raggedy80]

Ask and you shall receive.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

"I think you misread me, if God is clear in who to remove from the Book, then they do not get back on. So there will not be any Scripture for that."

Have you sinned against God. GTG? Yes or No?

[raggedy80]

Must not forget. Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Brandon,

Have you forgotten our previous exchanges on these passages?

(Crazypills2 's video "Does God love everyone")

You stopped commenting, remember?

[raggedy80]

Hi GTG. Yes, I remember how you turned scripture into what it doesn't say. You are good at doing that.

You ignored my question. Have you sinned against God?

"and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,"

it doesn't say whose names were "removed", it says "were not written" in the book of life from the foundations of the world.

Pretty clear. Your argument fails.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Brandon,

Actually no, the Greek is explicit: gegraptai = it stands written

At that moment in time they are not in that book - that book that was there from the foundation of the world.

God says names are removed.

Yes, I have sinned, but the unforgiveable sin and the sin in view in Exo.32:33 is like that in Ezek18.

Do you know why God tests the reins and the hearts Brandon?

Rev.2:23, Jere.11:20, Ps.7:9 et al

Answer:

So His judgment is fair as to who He removes from the Book

[raggedy80]

"At that moment in time they are not in that book - that book that was there from the foundation of the world."

It does not say "at that moment in time, GTG. But it must mean that to fit your interpretation, right?...

[raggedy80]

It does say so clearly in black and white, whose names" WERE" (look up this word) not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,"

"Yes, I have sinned, but the unforgiveable sin and the sin in view in Exo.32:33 is like that in Ezek18."

(continued) So you are claiming all those who God is speaking of in Exo.32:33 are in Hell? Why did Moses think this sin could be forgiven then, Exo 32:32? Again your argument fails.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Brandon,

"Were" is an interpretation of - it stands written - i.e. At that point in time they were not there

I am glad you mention what Moses asked for in Exo.32:32 because in God saying No, THAT will never happen! gives you the context for God later saying: I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy:

i.e. those who have NOT sinned against Me I will have mercy on these, not whom you will Moses, not those who run as if Mine, but whom I will (those who have not sinned against Me).

[raggedy80]

Can you give a straight answer just one time? Are those in Exodus 32:33 in hell or not? If they are not, your argument of the sin they committed is unforgivable, fails with flying colors.

"Were" is an interpretation of - it stands written"

Okay fine lets go with this if it makes you happy. "It stands written" in the book of life from the foundations of the world. What stands written, GTG? The names that are in and the names that are not in the book of life. Your argument fails.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Brandon,

If you are asking whether those whose names are blotted out of the Book (Exo.32:33) are in hell or will end up there, the answer has to be yes because of Rev.20:15

And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire

[raggedy80]

Hi GTG, as much as I would like to continue this conversation, I am seeing more and more how pointless it would be. Thank you for your time as always.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Brandon, GEGRAPTAI IT STANDS WRITTEN Rev. 13:8, Context gives you all you need What stands written? Names Where? In the Book of Life Whose are not? Those on earth who worship the beast When? At that time So, at that time those seen worshipping the beast are those whose names do not stand written in the book of life To whom does the Book belong? To the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world - Rev.13:8 When did the Book begin? From the foundation of the world Rev.17:8

[crazypills2]

A well presented argument. However, dogma rarely receives arguments which refute its belief.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Steve,

I only have to read our exchange on the Isaac Newton and Creation video to agree.

;0)

Until someone decides to hold what they currently believe aloof and not their prime consideration like the Bereans of Acts 17, then that dogma will have pre-eminence: that is part of the core truth with deception.

Even Lazarus raised from the dead did not persuade the Pharisees.

Some, however needed just that last bit of demonstration to give them the healthy doubt they needed...

[RPM11111]

Very interesting. Thank you.

[simplydannygirl]

It's good. We always need people to speak out agaisnt Calvinism.

Danny

[ProphecyChannel]

Nice refutation using the "blotted out" passages. I am beside myself in that I never saw this argument to be used. Thank you for bringing this to light.

Grace and peace

[gracetruthguy]

Hi PC,

Thank you.

Looking at the related videos on the side it appears mine is not the 1st video on YouTube with the argument.

[solarisgalrocks]

this should help expose calvinism for its false teachings.