In order to uplift the"prestige"of the church for it is down a "bit" the pests call ex-Pr. GWBush, Hillary Clinton, in Australia ex-PMinisterJohnHoward to speak well about the church,if you as member of the church talk politics they blow you off but they bring politicians in the church to uplift for the church is full of junk, so I left them,I do not wan to see an idiot pastor like : kevin robinson which screams raging in the Sabbath from pulpit other one : kamsai P. say I am dizzy, and got flu.
Why this ex-taxi driver do not go back to drive taxi and want to stay pastor? because he wants to make gangs with more stupids in the church and to control woman act as pimps, official pimps by the church? A fruit-picker elder uneducated is telling me in 1992 :"all7da woman are prostitutes"I knew for I been married with one and her sister in law daughter of pastor, doctor for children paediatric with study over 20 years, two children with good husband she goes to commit adultery with an engineer
Other PIG pastor want to beat me with a baseball bath with his elders,7da church is a junk full of gangs, the junk stupid idiot god, Gods and jesus take the gangs from the world and put them in the church with stupids uneducated pastor and ex-taxi driver his name-tui j rosevear- also known as:-tui.rkish j.unk rottensvearski-which is the stupid god of my ex the prostitute, calling her the apple of his eyes. 7da is mafia corrupting the police against me and calling me paranoid and idiot, I am not.
In mid 2000's a PIG ameriCON junk elder is calling me -jew-, I never been a jew except his mother when was liking crap out of her vagina, the name of the pest is your famous idiot -vic gidely- he experienced the KISS of death so the pig of -allan butler- which die at the age of 49 the age of the crap in the sun with crust.
You come to them humble and interested to know and the pigs mock on me, a junk asian pastor with the name of -john chan- and he say to me on Sabbath day on church grounds : "your teeth from your mouth are yours?" and I answer yes thinking that he think of being false teeth, and he ask me this three times junk PIG 7da pest mocking on me, fuck their nostrils where they received the breath of life to become living PIGS like my neighbour net door at the pub with the name of -adam-, 7da CRAP junk.
pastor -tui j rosevear- from South Pacific is coming in Sabbath at pulpit and say :"you are hypnotised 1st. stage" after few weeks again :"you are hypnotised 2nd stage" what their mother fucker I come to church to be hypnotised because they want to practice of what the black prostitute of -ellen g whitish- did in her time also drugs? this is the reason I was born to come to see her junk doctrine and their stupid god,Gods and jesus of church of stupids black, asians and white zombies animalsPIGS
7th.- day adventists (7da) are a bundle of crocked which are looking for glory and praises yet are proud and arrogant, their delight is to judge yet 99.9 % of pastors and elders are junk animals of any ethnic group on the planet : white, black, or yellow races delight on their stupidity which is beyond comprehension. I been with them for 15 years but being married with one of them prostitutes I been harassed for33years and continue.The god, Gods and jesus of 7da is an animal stupid without glory
I´ve wondered all my life, what is all this bullshit about? I mean, why do we humans need to attribute all we see as something important, so some kinda deity we will never even see, as it doesn´t exist? Can´t people realize that they are predicating nonsense? Really, there´s no difference between greek mythology and roman catholicism, and judaism, and evangelism, other than the believers. The Greek at least were good people. All these pastors and guys predicating nowadays just want money -.-
Distinguish root & fruit. Root = faith, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit = obedience, but obedience is not perfect because we are not, Not Willing we all stumble
Law -mirror that hangs on the wall U shave in, shows were the hair is to cut off, only a idiot takes the mirror off the wall & shave with it. (condemned by law but shaved by grace
We serve in the new way of the Spirit, not in the
old way of the written code" Which was to lead us TO Christ & UNTIL Christ
SDA is mystery Babylon doctrine. They bet up on the Catholic church but they do the same thing. Catholics worship the sun and not the Son of God( some Catholics don't know this) SDA doctrine worship the Sabbath day. If any of you SDA member wants to find answers ask and it shall be given. ex - Adventist 1989 to 2007 strong and I know the doctrines. SDA is far from Protestant or remnant of God.
Yeah they believe in Jesus but not the way the Bible says. They believe that Jesus is Michael the arch angel and not God in the flesh. They don't believe Jesus paid it all on the cross ( they don't believe Jesus fulfilled it all on the cross with his blood) Yes they believe in the bible but not the whole Bible. Coming from an ex- Adventist! Don't get involve with cult doctrines.
@Donking595 Yes, some people quiver when SDAs refer to Michael the archangel as Jesus. But it's misunderstood. They're not saying Jesus is an angel. "Archangel" means 'highest or greatest messenger'. Jesus is not an angel, SDAs believe He is the Son of God. I could give you scores of quotes on that. In Rev. 12:7 it refers to Michael as the leader of the angels and the leader of good versus the leader of evil, the dragon (Satan). Jesus Christ is the leader of the angels and of good.
@Donking595 Also, my name is Michael and the Hebrew meaning for it is "Who is Like God?" or "Who is as God". I'm not saying that I am like God. But the way the Hebrews understood it, Michael was "like God" or the Son of God. Not an angel, but the greatest messenger. The word angel means messenger. Also see Daniel 12:1 and Jude 1:9.
@GamerDude573 I would like to see you show me in scripture. Jesus the archangel or Michael the son of God or Jesus the messenger of michael in the flesh. No were in the bible says these things. SDA dose not look at Jesus as being equal to God the father. Same as the Jews just from a different angle.
@mechs1234 My friend read the bible KJV for your self . Dont read the NIV, Clear Word Bible or any of those other false satanic so called bible versions. If you want to find the truth that is. SDA teachings and doctrines for the most part dont line up with the word of God . If its not the whole word of God then its of that other guy (satan)I was an SDA for almost 20yrs 1989 to 2007 strong and fully got out this year. Their is no true salvation in their doctrine. Jesus Christ is the only way
@Donking595 Amen, you have spoken the truth! I, too, was a SDA and it took a miracle for the Lord to open my eyes to their demonic teachings. i dare call them demonic because they are not gospel and if they are not gospel then they are, as you have suggested, from the devil. That doesn't mean SDA believers are devils. Far from it. They are among the most dedicated believers I know. They are deceived and need our prayers.
@brianhyde63 Yes we must pray that they come out of Mystery Babylon because the road that they are on is the road to destruction. SDA, Mormons, jehovah witness, Catholics, later day saints and some others are on that wide road of many to destruction. They all share the same but different views. They all put a thing between them and Jesus Christ. Teaching things that are not found in the Bible (lies). What is not of God is of the great deciever satan. I hope they listen and read the whole Bible.
@Donking595 The Clear Word Bible's not a version, it's a paraphrase, devotional book. It hasn't ever been intended to be a Bible translation. As for NIV, plenty of denominations use it, so why the fuss? No one should rely on just one translation.
The Sda church is the only protestant christian church that still preaches what the founding protestants thought the people in the dark ages. The pope is the anti christ who changed Gods laws and sabbath day who burned and tortured millions of christians who exhaulted himself as high as God and who controls the satanic secret societies. You who persecute the sda church are jesuits who have infitraded our church like all other protestant churches u are satan worshippers pretending christianity
The Jews as they were known in Bible times went out with the crucifying of the Messiah. That's when the gospel truth went out to the gentiles full and into all the world. The Jews people are still holding onto their old beliefs that were the same during Jesus' time when they rejected Him.
You said: "Yom Kippur wasn't just atonement for sin, but a time of judgment"
Can you show me that from the scriptures?
What were the duties of the high priest aside from his performance on the day of atonement? and did anything else interrupt the day of atonement duties until they were complete? Did the high priest go from the day of atonement duties to his regular duties back to the day of atonement duties again?
I personally do not believe Ellen White was inspired because her teachings often contradicted the bible, and she would have known so if she had understood the bible.
For her to believe that satan was the second goat when there is no biblical evidence that that is so could only have occurred through either an imaginative mind, or satan desiring her to believe so. The same with the believe that the day of atonement isn't complete yet because to keep it still open and change it, takes away from...
Christ and keeps the believer in limbo, not knowing if his sins will be forgiven. Sins still not being forgiven, etc. Christ completed the day of atonement 2000 years ago. He didn't do half of it then wait till 1844 to perform the other half and still performing it to today.
Do you realize Christ already knows who is condemned, and who isn't? He doesn't need 167 years to decide. Ellen taught that you shouldn't say you are saved basically because she believed it wasn't decided yet.
She believed the sin was transferred into the temple by the blood throughout the year, and that the temple through that had become defiled(correct me if I'm wrong) because of it. If I'm correct and this is what you and ellen white believed, can you show me which sacrifices where the blood was taken into the tabernacle, and which scriptures show the blood becoming tainted with sin?
Was anything unholy allowed to enter the tabernacle? Thanks for chatting, I really appreciate it:)
@Myhopeisinhim Um, about "She believed the sin was transferred into the temple by the blood throughout the year..." I'd need to see exactly how it was phrased, because it makes research into it easier. Where'd you get this?
But it's for certain that blood was brought into the tabernacle. You need to give the reference of Ellen White writing that so I understand what you're talking about.
@Myhopeisinhim Yom Kippur wasn't for forgiveness of sin, because that happened with the daily. It was for the cleansing of God's people. It was for them to search their hearts and among themselves to see if they were ready to be vindicated as people who were forgiven of their sins. Forgiveness of sins isn't just status in God's sight - it has deeds consistent with repentance (Acts 26:18,20).
It's the 1st Angel's message of Rev 14:6-7, which is "Do you fear the Lord?"
@iMattCi89 Hi Matt! I see you are still on the wrong side. You say "Forgiveness of sins isn't just status in God's sight - it has deeds consistent with repentance (Acts 26:18,20)" In other words salvation has to be maintained by our good deeds, right? .If you say no, then what exactly do you mean. If you say yes, then you are inconsistent,with the word, eg, Ephesians 2-8ff which says salvation is not of works (and by salvation I understand every aspect of salvation including sanctification).
@brianhyde63 I say no; think of it like there's no midpoint. You can't be forgiven and not bear fruit of repentance. If you truly have faith and repented of sin, you won't entertain the thought of going back. That's what Yom Kippur was for. Even though the daily happened daily :p, Yom Kippur was the time for deep soul-searching to not just confess (as per the daily), but to truly repent.
It's a whole package and it can't be separated. A person can't be justified and still live in sin.
I have a strange question, but I assure you I have a reason. You said: "You can't be forgiven and not bear fruit of repentance."
Why? Do you believe that you must follow the law to prove that you have truly repented. That God is going to judge whether your repentance was true based on your actions? or for some other reason?
@Myhopeisinhim Why does it always come to "must"? Like I said to brother brian, Romans 8:6-9 describes that someone who has the Spirit leading their lives will be subject to the law of God. This isn't the same as being "under the law". The Greek word is different. It isn't about what "must be done", but it's like an observed state. If you have the Spirit, you will be obedient to God's law. If you don't have the Spirit, then you can't be obedient to God's law. Simple as that :)
@brianhyde63 {cont'd} To better understand what I mean by "fruit of repentance", it's summed up in Romans 8, which describes the carnal mind having enmity with God because it's not obedient to the law of God. However, the mind that walks in the Spirit is the opposite. So if someone has the Spirit indwelling, the Spirit would compel that person to be in harmony with the law of God.
@brianhyde63 (sidenote- oops! Seeing your comment here, I just remembered I haven't gotten back to your PMs. Sorry! Been very busy with school work and quizzes and now finals are around the corner!)
@iMattCi89 Dont worry about the PMs I have forgetten them now. Btw every success for your finals brother! Just one question Do you believe that a person must repent before they can be saved?
@brianhyde63 thx! hm, that qn is tricky. It depends on how you mean "saved". If you're referring to by the time Jesus comes, then yes, must repent [Gal 5:19-21]. But if you're referring to "b4 letting Jesus in", that's more like a "it can't not happen if it's genuine faith". Repentance of the heart can only happen by Jesus putting it in you. But this does not prevent you from coming to him even if you don't feel like it. Genuine faith in Him will result in Him putting in the feel of repentance.
As for Christ already knowing who's condemned and who isn't, of course He does. However, this process isn't for His benefit, but for ours. Think carefully about it: was Yom Kippur to settle God's mind about His people? Or was it for His people to search themselves to see if their minds truly were settled on Him, with sin cast aside?
@Myhopeisinhim The reason Satan's the scapegoat is very simple: in the system, the scapegoat wasn't for forgiveness of sin- blame was put on it. Jesus never took the blame for our sins; He took our punishment. And in Revelation, it's so clearly put in Rev 12 and 20 that Satan's blamed for deceiving the nations.
He didn't just take our punishment. Our sin was laid on him, placed in his own body...he became sin for us. Our iniquities were placed in Jesus own body, he took our guilt/blame, as though they were his own.
2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness:....
He took our sin as though it were his own, and took the punishment for them,so that through faith we might receive the righteousness of Christ. He took our sin, and gave his righteousness in it's place. He paid for them, securing a pardon for us.
This is basically the gospel message in a nutshell. We find life through him because he took everything you did wrong into himself, and paid for them, so that you could be made perfect in him by faith.
She wrote in the Great Controversy: "In the typical service only those who had come before God with confession and repentance, and whose sins, through the blood of the sin offering, were transferred to the sanctuary, had a part in the service of the Day of Atonement."
This is only one phrase, but it is evident she believed that sin entered the sanctuary via the blood of the sacrifice.
Gal 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed
Jesus took your blame my friend, took all your sin into his own body, as though they were his own, and was...
nailed to the cross, shedding his blood to pay the price for our sin. In turn, through faith, we have become complete in him, and receive his righteousness through what he did for us. It's because of this that we can receive life everlasting through his works, not ours.
We can now approach the Father with full confidence in his son, having prepared the way and reconciling us to the Father. We can receive forgiveness by coming to him, and be made whole. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ...
This is the gospel...and nothing is more beautiful than what he did for us. I pray that through prayer, you may see all that he has done. He did soo much more than you could possibly imagine, and he did it for you so you could find life in him.
@Myhopeisinhim Oops! Finally saw this. Yom Kippur was the time when God's people were to cleanse themselves of their sins (not about forgiveness of sin) [Lev 16:30]. Think of it like a review period. During the year, they confessed their sins. DoA was to validate if they really repented (soul-searching). As for the judgment bit, it wasn't part of the ceremony, but if someone still held sin in their heart on the DoA, the high priest was killed and the nation's sin not covered. [1 Pet 4:17].
In simple response about the day of atonement: The day of atonement was to atone for the sins of the people. The blood was taken into the most holy Place to show God that atonement had been made so that the peoples sins could be cleansed, removed from them.
@Myhopeisinhim True, it was about atonement. However, this kind of atonement wasn't the same as the daily (Ex 29:36). That one was about confessing sin upon the sacrifice, as a shadow to justification. The DoA was about purifying, as a shadow of sanctification. When the high priest came out, that was the shadow of glorification, because all traces of sin were purged from God's people.
@iMattCi89 Oh, yes, another question. Similar vein. Do you think that it is our work to search our hearts to discover sin there or do you think it is the work of the Holy Spirit to discover sin there? If you say the former then what is the criteria by which we can know that we have discovered all our sin? And, applying this to Israel on the Day of Atenment, how would an Israelite know that he or she had not missed anything in that self examination to avoid being cut off?
@brianhyde63 I think it's both. The reason is, God doesn't force us to search our hearts. But if we do, it's what He wants us to do, so He gives His Spirit to empower that decision.
As for Israel on the DoA, I'm not sure... God at that time didn't say anything about His Spirit's work for anything, so God's involvement in their searching of hearts isn't mentioned in the OT. However, we do know from the NT that whenever we do His will, He sends His Spirit.
@iMattCi89 Thanks for that. For the moment I thought you were teaching that we must repent first before we can come to Christ. That is, of course, impossible since repentance follows rebirth. But, at the same time, when one accepts Christ I do think there is a conviction that one is a sinner. My reason for asking about the D of A was about whether as sinners we can really discern the true condition of our hearts even though we may search them diligently, for the heart is deceiful
@iMattCi89 .... We surely need the Holy Spirit to reveal what is in our hearts but even then I don't think He could not show us everything because the shame and guilt would overwhelm us.
@brianhyde63 I think you've just hit the nail as to why Jesus did not finish this work during the time of the apostles. I think it's because the truth about this hasn't spread around the whole world yet. That's like the 1st Angel's Message of Rev 14:6-7, which is a message of getting our act together and know the fear of the Lord, to the whole world. And once it does spread around the whole world, it'll take time for people to actually know the fear of the Lord and accomplish James 4:8.
@iMattCi89 John 19:30 It is finished. That means the debt has been paid in full. the only thing left is for Jesus to return. His mission is accomplished. In Hebrews 10:12 He "sat down" at the right hand of the father because His work was done.
@JesusIsEnough777 His work as the Sacrifice is done, but not as High Priest. Just because He settled at the Father's right hand, doesn't mean He's done working. If He is done, why hasn't He come back? Revelation 5 shows that He is not done yet even if He's at the right hand. Revelation shows a pretty active temple instead of a silent one to indicate everything's done.
God hasn't said "It is done" yet [Rev 16:17, Rev 21:6], indicating Jesus finished only one role at the cross, with 2 more to go.
@JesusIsEnough777 This Day of Atonement isn't about Jesus paying our debt. The Day of Atonement was to purify His people's thoughts and affections; for deep soul-searching to cast out every sin in their lives. It was to see if they could be vindicated as people who had their sins forgiven. Because if they did have their sins forgiven, they would act as such and not go back under the bondage of sin.
@Myhopeisinhim The high priest's duties aside from the DoA was the same as the priest; he participated in the other rituals. So his duty roster was something like:
Do the daily services like the priests.
On the 10th day of the 7th month, conduct DoA service. If God's pleased, live; If God isn't, die.
Once DoA is over, resume daily services.
The concept about the high priest dying because of the people's sin is also in the NT [Heb 6:6, 10:26], showing that even that bit was a shadow.
@Myhopeisinhim As Aaron was the 1st high priest, you need only look at his duties. Some are here (Ex 27:21, 28:30, 38, Ex 29:44) and there's quite a bit more, mostly describing the functions of a priest. The ones that were different from a priest and made the high priest stand out, was the garment (like Urim&Thummim) and the only one allowed into the sanctuary on the DoA.
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You know, ive recently joined a Seventh day adventist private school and so far im loving it.I have yet to see how adventists are not christain.Im not an adventist myself(being a baptist) but adventsist seem like fellow christains who still follow the old rules of the testament.I only disagree when some of them say that all christains are supposed to follow the old law.Though I do not think EGW is a prophet, but instead just an inspired writer.I do though disagree with what she says
On the surface they appear to be christian, even appear closely to mainstream christianity with the only difference being they go to church on saturday. However when you look deeper you learn that things aren't quite what they seem.
They do not believe that Christ has completed his atonement, and thus works play a part in whether or not they will be seen as having faith. They also believe that the second goat on the day of atonement is satan and that satan will bear our sin.
Friend, sorry but you are the one who on the surface appear to be Christian but upon close inspection are shown to be not quite what you seem.
All Sunday keepers ever talk about is the cross. NOTHING is ever said about Jesus' work AFTER the cross. That is Roman Catholic religion where Jesus is eternally dead & is always on the cross. What about His work after His ressurection?
Romans 5:10 says that His death reconciled us & that HIS LIFE SAVES US.
Where is the gospel AFTER the cross? He did ressurect you know. Saying nothing about what He is doing now, what constitutes His work after the cross, is preching half gospel.
If the atonement is complete then why are we still here & not with God? Why is sin still reigning if He has already removed it from His people?
Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also
He's preparing a place for us. He's also ever present in the presence of God as a mediator between us and God, having reconciled us to God through his blood. He's the...
living and breathing testament that our sins have been atoned for and that we stand complete. He's whose name we come before the Father with, without him we do not have access to the Father.
He's the head of the church, he's helping the church to grow. He's continuously drawing people to him. He is constantly touching our heart with his Spirit teaching us in the ways we must go.
He didn't go to heaven to continue performing the day of atonement. That is complete already. Now he is there mediating for us because that atonement IS complete. There were other aspects, prophecies, things to happen before he can return the second time.
He already purchased us just as the bridegroom does in the jewish wedding. Now he's preparing the place for us. When his father tells him, then it's time to return.
Why the mediation if all is complete? All being complete means you should now be with God & not needing any mediation. Please!
What is He mediating for you for? What is mediation but to speak on behalf of the offender! So if you still offend God with your SINS, how then can you claim to be AT ONE with God?
I think you are misunderstand what is going on. When Christ wasn't there with his blood, we couldn't approach the Father. The way into his presence hadn't yet been made. Now Christ is there, showing our sins having been atoned for, showing that our price had already been paid, as a bridegroom pays for his bride.
It is because he is there that we can approach the Father because he presents us as spotless, which allows us to enter the Father's presence. He is....
mediating for us, having presented his offering on our behalf, and reconciling us to God. His presence is assurance that we can approach the Father boldly.
It's not the case of him performing temple ceremonies each time someone offends as it was with the priests on earth.
If the average adventist beleives that sunday worshippers of god will get the mark of the beast(like EGW claims), then I will be absolutely disgusted.How could any christain say that about fellow followers of Jesus christ?See, I dont think you understand.You know why the other churchs talk alot about the cross?because God came down to this earth and died for our sins.He gave us salvation.Nothing more is more important than that.Absolutely nothing.
A BUNCH OS PEOPLE BELIEVED THE SAME SCRIPTURAL MISINTERPRETATIONS OF SCRIPTURE AND, LIKE HAROLD CAMPING, GOT REALLY "DISAPPOINTED". THEN INSTEAD OF ADMITIING THEIR MISTAKES THE LISTENED TO A PHONY BOLOGNY 'PROPHET' THAT TOLD THEM GOD STARTED AN INVESTIGATION THAT HAS NOW TAKEN HIM 167 YEARS!! AND THE STILL CALL IT THE "DAY OF ATONEMENT". HINT TO ALL SDA CULTMEMBERS: 1 DAY DOES NOT = 167 YEARS! OH YEA, AND GOD IS ALLKNOWING SO A 167 YEAR INVESTIGATION IS A JOKE!
We have a part to play, not striving to have faith, but looking after the faithful one. Faith is Gods gift to all that hear the gospel, if they don't reject it! So salvation becomes a matter of grace. By grace you are saved through faith, not of our selves, it is a gift of God! Free Gift! Were sin abounds grace much more abounds. Religion is grace, ethics is gratitude!
Grace is a free gift. This is not cheap grace! We do have a part to play, to look after the faithful one! Ethics is gratitude! Religion is grace!
Lets say, you bought me gift and said it will cost me two hundred dollars, God know we are stupid, so He says free gift! It is true, it is true for you! To all that believe! To all that receive
When our Lord died as our representative, He took our place. In my place He stood, sealed me with His blood. Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful. It's more then forgiveness, it's acquittal, God says, I will count you as you never sinned. The imputation of the merits of Christ!
He became what He was not, SO I COULD BECOME WHAT I AM NOT. It is not a matter of who you are, but who's you are, the devils or Christ's.
The woman in Revelation 12 is a great wonder. Here is part of the explanation by Pastor Harold E. Metcalf, who is also an evangelist, and Author. Daniel and Revelation are books of prophecy containing many symbols. Most people find these difficul to interpret. Harold Metcalf has read, studied, researched, taught and lectured on these great prophetic books for almost half a century. The great prophecies of Daniel and Revelation are relevant today with theri focal point upon Christ's coming.
@taupoutaleofo And when a phony SDA cult prophet like Ellen White says to people that eating meat is "evil" and that people who eat meat at Yeshua's 2nd coming "will not be translated" (from Counsels on Diet and Foods), I'll have to remind Ellen and the rest of her culty koolaidsipping Adventists that Yehua (JESUS) ate meat.
Thats a no brainer, any fool that buys into ANY SDA doctrine has only to look at the wacky croakings of their prophet and pro EGW ministers like Harold Metcalf and laugh!
@NORCURONMAN Could you quote exactly which page/chapter she wrote meat-eaters won't be translated? And you seem to be stumbling over 19th century English, which is somewhat common. Back then, "evil" was perfectly synonymous with just saying "not good for you". It doesn't mean it's the devil's plot.
@iMattCi89 Counsels on Diet and Food (1938) Pages 63-64, she directly describes that a vegetarian diet will be the "food for the tables for ALL who claim to be preparing for translation to Heaven" What logically follows (unless youre an SDA defending this phony prophet) is that if i am a meat eater, i am not preparing, nor will i be prepared for translation. And by the way it is YOU who are stumbling on EGW's definition of evil, sinced she used it in the context of Websters defenition.
@iMattCi89 And something even MORE ridiculous that EGW claims is that her Health Reform message is PART of the 3rd Angels Message (1Test. p486)! So now after equating mest eating with "evil", i am now also in danger of getting the MarK of the Beast! WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE MY DEAR KOOLAID SIPPING FRIEND?! Here's what IS in the Bible: According to Revelation 22:18 God will add the plagues and the loss of salvation to ole EGW and anyone teaching that crap she taught. Thats IN SCRIPTURE. so sad
@NORCURONMAN You think you know about Seventh Day Adventists. YOU DON'T, plain and simple. You think you know it all you DON'T. You talk like you were there with Jesus back in the day. You weren't! Seventh Day Adventist is not a cult. And also, you have no solid proof of what you are rambling about, and you sound so angry, why?
@taupoutaleofo Actually, I DO know all about the SDA's- plain and simple. I was a 3rd generation, koolaid sipping Adventist, until i studied my way out of it. Its amazing what learning the original language of the Bible will actually teach you. And i know all about their phony false prophet EGW who said that Jerusalem would NEVER be rebuilt. Funny, i was IN "rebuilt" Jerusalem a year ago sipping coffe at a cafe on Ben Yehuda St.
Thank Adonai EGW WAS a phony, that city is AWESOME. cults suk!!
Don't be bothered by that Jew my dearly beloved. Jews of his type hate Adventism because it teaches that the Church is Israel. They say SDA is wrong about the so-called replacement theology & this is what makes their blood boil. They say we say their people the Jews have been replaced.
But they cannot change the Bible. ALL true Christians are Israel, not those Jews who reject the Messiah
We are of the faith of Abraham, but we are not jews, and not Israelites; however, we have been grafted into the vine, but we have not become Israelites. They are a peculiar people. He has told us that he has not forsaken them. They are still mentioned in the new testament as a physical people.
Unfortunately, some verses have been misinterpreted.
To take the cross from the Christian is like blotting the sun out of the ski! We are saved by grace by faith Our Lords blood covers us like a cloud over u all ur days. Long as u keep ur eye on Him u can not be lost. He died for me, He represented for me. Im accepted in the beloved by the grace of God. God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son! By the merits of Christ we are looked upon. If we hold to him by faith we are held as spotless as His Son. Cross = glory of gospel
I have a friend who attends a SDA church. He said that Ellen White is a prophet. I don't know her history. What I know is what the Bible says about prophets in that if they make one false prophecy they are indeed a false prophet. I believe that is pretty straight forward. I will let you be the judge of that.
@Truenorthman100 Well brother I DO know her history and the entire slimy history of the development of that church and their false prophet. Encourage your friend to leave, quickly. it is as much a cult as the Mormon church or the J W's. In fact some of Ellen White's 'angel showed me prophecies" are almost word for word from Joseph Smith. I guess the SAME "angel" (evil angel) was showing both of them similar things, or she just plaigerized Joseph Smith like she did with countless other authors.
If Mrs Ellen White is a false prophetees, who then did God send in 1844? For He did indeed say He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses.
So if didn't happen, then how can we believe that God exists & keeps His word? People who critisize need to realise just what responsibility is theirs.
It is all too easy to critisize. Critics have a responsibilty to provide a tangible alternative. Not just to dismiss & say/do nothing. Not good enough
WHERE in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses." Did you read that in your "Clear Word blasphemic Bible"? It is indeed sad that you would have to quote me ADVENTIST doctrine, guised as the original Scriptures, to make a socalled "biblical argument".
Not good enough for you, because your a brainwashed SDA.
WHERE in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses." Did you read that in your "Clear Word blasphemic Bible"? It is indeed sad that you would have to quote me ADVENTIST doctrine, guised as the original Scriptures, to make a socalled "biblical argument".
Not good enough for you, because your a brainwashed SDA.
WHERE in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses." Did you read that in your "Clear Word blasphemic Bible"? It is indeed sad that you would have to quote me ADVENTIST doctrine, guised as the original Scriptures, to make a socalled "biblical argument".
Not good enough for you, because your a brainwashed SDA.
@PreparetomeetthyGod WHERE in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses." Did you read that in your "Clear Word blasphemic Bible"? It is indeed sad that you would have to quote me ADVENTIST doctrine, guised as the original Scriptures, as a socalled "biblical argument".
Not good enough for you, because youre brainwashed by SDA doctrine.
@PreparetomeetthyGod WHERE in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses." Did you read that in your "Clear Word blasphemic Bible"? It is indeed sad that you would have to quote me ADVENTIST doctrine, guised as the original Scriptures, as a socalled "biblical argument".
Not good enough for you, because youre brainwashed by SDA doctrine.
@PreparetomeetthyGod WHERE in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses." Did you read that in your "Clear Word blasphemic Bible"? It is indeed sad that you would have to quote me ADVENTIST doctrine, guised as the original Scriptures, as a socalled "biblical argument".
Not good enough for you, because youve been brainwashed by SDA doctrine.
@PreparetomeetthyGod Where in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chaddashah (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb".
Is that in your cult Bible "The Clear Word Bible" that adds EGW doctrine directly into the text? It IS all too easy to criticize a denomination that has to have EVEN A PARAPPHRASE, that adds its own doctrine into the original Bible text. Thats why you gave me that sad brainwashed answer.
If you are interested in discussing the sending of the prophet Elijah, we can do that but please be civil friend.
Matthew 17:11 & Malachi 4:5 speaks of the sending of Elijah.
The angel of the Church of Laodicea is this Elijah. Notice this Church is called Laodicea which means the JUDGING of the people & it is also a Church that has the Law but keeps it in its power, illustrated by its need for clothes, robes of righteousness & the charge of nakedness
@PreparetomeetthyGod Wow you completely ignored my question and then quoted Clifford Goldstein's SDA doctrine on Laodicea,and then you just ramdomly assigned 1844 to Revelation 12:17. Youre such a good, brainwashed little Sadventist. Of curse you forgot to mention that the Lord will SPEW Laodicea out of His mouth. Im done writing to zombies who cant stop ADDING to the Bible, dates that ARENT there.
You can be done with swines all you like but you cannot change the brutal truth that 1844 in Revelation 12;17 is a FACT.
Its confirmed by the FACT that the woman in Revelation 12 with 12 stars on her head is Israel AFTER Jesus, not ancient Israel before the appearance of the Moshiach.
If you can accept this FACT, you will be blessed & will understand God's plan for mankind better. If you call that replacement theology then you don't know the God of Israel.
@NORCURONMAN Let me just help you with your prolem. 1844 ended the prophesy of the 2,360 days. This was the year that Christ ascended to the most holy place in the heavenly sanctuary to start the judgement and be our advocate before His Father, using his blood to pay for our sins, if we are worthy. The women in Revelation 12:1-5 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
@taupoutaleofo And let me help you with YOUR problem, a word of advice: Never spew SDA doctine as an argument to someone (me), who knows that Adventism IS a cult. You almost quoted word for word EGW. You may as well quote Pete Pan to me. At least Peter Pan never makes false prophesies or misquotes basic Hebrew to defend what their SDA cult doctrines say. I studied my way out of Adventism. Hebrew and Greek is antecedent to EGW and Adventism, and completely contradicts your Invest Judgement crap.
Actually, Christ already entered the Most Holy Place 2000 years ago when he completed his work. It is because he went in before us that we have been able to enter in. His blood has already been presented to the Father, and because of that we can enter in through his flesh, which was represented by the veil.
His blood was proof that the sins have been paid for by the death of Christ. The date of 1844 is built on false prophecies and has no bearing on scripture.
The understanding that sda's have is based on a vision, and not based on the bible. When Ellen White didn't understand why Christ didn't come, she claimed to have received a vision that explained what happened. She didn't turn to the bible for answers, she turned to visions because she couldn't understand the bible.
We're supposed to test what man or angels say based on what we know in the scriptures, it's how we know that what the man/angel says is true. Not base the bible on what they say.
If she didn't understand the bible did she really have the capability to test the spirits in her visions based on the bible? Instead, she allowed the spirits to guide her, teach her, and since she didn't understand the bible she could not have decided herself whether or not that what they spoke was true.
This is evident in the teachings she received in her visions. Her companions simply accepted them because of the visions, considering she said she didn't understand before them.
@Myhopeisinhim They were having a prayer meeting when the vision happened. She wasn't searching for a vision. In fact, historically, the Millerites had gotten rather wary of visions because they encountered fanaticism in their midst.
They were hammered out as the result of Bible study, discussion, and prayer. Much of the time, Ellen White testified, she could not understand the texts under discussion and the issues involved. Yet she later remembered that when the brethren who were studying "came to the point…where they said, 'We can do nothing more' the Spirit of the Lord would come upon me, I would be taken off in vision, and a clear explain...
...of the passages we had been studying would be given me, with instructions as to how we were to labor and teach effectively." Because the participants "knew that when not in vision, I could not understand these matters,…they accepted as light direct from heaven the revelations given.
This confirms that sda teaching is formulated based on visions, rather than being based on the bible.
@Myhopeisinhim And that proves my point! My point was that she didn't seek for a vision from God to understand. She had very little to do with doctrinal formation; her visions primarily functioned as affirmation when it came to doctrine. Most visions were about Christian conduct and direction in administrative matters. The reason why the doctrinal bits are so pronounced is because the bulk of her visions had to do with individuals and they were private and only gists were recorded.
@Myhopeisinhim Actually, He did and didn't. The High Priest went into the Holiest to inaugurate the tabernacle with blood (Moses & Aaron) and he went in during Yom Kippur. Hebrews has a bit of mistranslation in some translations. The ones with italics show it best.
The first place that the priest went to on the day of atonement 'with the blood' is the most holy place. He didn't perform the work first in the holy place, the holy place came after. For one, the veil which separated the Most Holy place from the Holy place was rent upon the death of Christ showing that the way into the most holy place had been made.
The priest only went in once a year to signify that before christ came, the way in had not yet been prepared. Without her...
visions, you'd never come to the conclusion that adventists have on this matter. There is too much contextual biblical evidence to speak against the adventist teaching of this passage. The bible has to be denied on this matter otherwise the teaching of 1844 flops.
Again, such is the case of ellen white's visions deciding for you what the bible means, instead of using the bible to test her visions.
@Myhopeisinhim "The first place that the priest went to on the day of atonement" Actually, the point about Dan 8:14 is that Yom Kippur hadn't come when Jesus died. Heb 9 references Yom Kippur, but does not say Jesus carried it out. It mentioned Yom Kippur only when talking about the Holiest, because it's when the high priest could enter.
Yom Kippur was indeed when the high priest went straight to the Holiest. But every day he ministered only in the holy. {cont'd}
{cont'd 2} which is what we believe: until 1844, Jesus ministered in the Holy. 1844 was when Yom Kippur started.
"rent upon the death of Christ showing that the way into the most holy place had been made" The Bible doesn't actually say that's what it meant, it's just assumed. The better theory is Heb 10:20, that Christ's flesh is the fulfillment of the type in the veil. ie. the entire sacrificial system was disrupted when He died because it was fulfilled. {cont'd}
{cont'd 2} which is what we believe: until 1844, Jesus ministered in the Holy. 1844 was when Yom Kippur started.
"rent upon the death of Christ showing that the way into the most holy place had been made" The Bible doesn't actually say that's what it meant, it's just assumed. The better theory is Heb 10:20, that Christ's flesh is the fulfillment of the type in the veil. ie. the entire sacrificial system was disrupted when He died because it was fulfilled. {cont'd}
{cont'd 3} "Without her visions, you'd never come to the conclusion..." That actually came from Hiram Edson's realization that they interpreted "sanctuary" wrong, not because of Ellen White's vision. And that preceded before her vision about it.
"The bible has to be denied...otherwise ...1844 flops" No, it's because you misread Heb 9. It doesn't say Jesus ministered Yom Kippur. Yom Kippur had a very different function compared to the daily. It wasn't for forgiveness of sins.
@Myhopeisinhim "Do you deny that Ellen White made prophecies and taught doctrines based on visions?"
I don't know if you've noticed, but a large bulk of prophecies in the Bible were from visions. As for doctrines, that didn't happen in the way you think. While it's true that she didn't always understand all the Bible studies into each doctrinal formation, she sometimes (and I stress it) had a vision that clarified matters by plugging holes in logic (which does happen in Bible study).
Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: the holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing....
But Christ being come a HIGH PRIEST of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building, neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in ONCE into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us
In context, you can't deny it speaks of him being the high priest and entering once as the high priest did into the second compartment. Check this out....
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where the remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh.
Hebrews 9:6-8 spoke of a way that had not yet been manifested, which is why the priest only entered in once a year because it hadn't yet been made manifest....
but hebrews 10 shows that Jesus and his blood is the new and living way, his flesh is the veil which we must pass through to enter into the Most Holy Place, and we can enter in because he did.
For christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us. He didn't enter into offer himself often as the priests did, but offered himself ONCE....check out hebrews 6:19
I'm not mis-reading these passages my friend. They are blunt and to the point. Jesus is the new and living way that opened the way into the Most Holy Place and he entered in before us so that we might through him enter into the presence of the Father through his blood which he offered to the Father for us.
The Most Holy Place represented the dwelling place of God. it was most Holy because it was where God himself is. Christ himself entered the presence of God clearly and presented himself.
This is why you can come before the Father through the name of Jesus. You can enter his presence THROUGH THE VEIL that is to say the flesh of Christ, he is the way by which we must enter, and we can enter because he already secured the way for us through his blood.
My friend, don't let yourself miss out on this truth. He has already offered himself for you, and has prepared the way for you to enter in, but if you don't believe that, I fear desperately for you.
@Myhopeisinhim True, and I believe it! But what you've missed is that the entrance of Jesus into the Holiest in 1844 isn't to do with His sacrifice for us to enter the presence of God. Paul did not allude to the role the high priest on Yom Kippur after sprinkling the blood. Nor did he allude to Jesus' role as high priest in the Holy, with the incense, etc.
The sacrificial system wasn't just about the sacrifice, but what the high priest did for the people.
My apologies, but the bible shows he went in before 1844. No one reading the bible alone would have ever come up with the sda conclusion.
Which is your authority, the authority by which you judge all standards of teaching? The bible? ellen white? or do you by some chance accept both as the same authority?
@Myhopeisinhim "the bible shows he went in before 1844" Yes, He did, and I believe that too. However, He went in as the bridge between God and Man with His sacrifice, not as the facilitator of the Day of Atonement. Look at Hebrews carefully. The only thing it mentions is the sacrifice; but no reflection on Yom Kippur itself. Yom Kippur had a different kind of atonement compared with the daily.
Yom Kippur wasn't just atonement for sin, but a time of judgment.
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd 2} Jesus has already finished His role as the Lamb, fulfilling the sacrificial portions of the tabernacle figure. However, He was not done with His role as High Priest in the Holy. The high priest had more jobs than offering the sacrifice. ie. He finished all sacrificial roles in AD 31, but not ministerial roles.
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd 3} Prophetically, the truth of sola scriptura was obscured, the showbread forgotten. The role of the Spirit in guiding us to truth was neglected, following popes instead; the candlesticks unlit. Jesus as our only Mediator bringing our prayers to God was substituted with veneration of saints and Mary; the incense snuffed. And all were about faith - restored by the Protestant Reformers.
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd 4} My standard of doctrine is the Bible, the 28 Fundamental Beliefs indicate it. Ellen White was the guiding light to prepare for God's work. It did not supersede the Bible, but pointed out the principles in the Bible showing us how it applies to us today. That was how Ellen White viewed herself - not equal/above/below the Bible, but a messenger to the Bible's principles.
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd 5} As for authority... there's no such thing as a degree of authority if the Spirit behind it is God's. Was Elijah more inspired than Daniel? No, they just had different roles. Both had the same authority because they both came in the authority of God.
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd 6} Am I saying Ellen White's work is of the same importance as the Bible? Yes. Am I saying you'll be lost if you don't follow the counsels of Ellen White? No, it's the same as ignoring advice - you're free to do it, but at your own risk. Ellen White's role had little to do with doctrinal formation - when she did as God's messenger, she said "I was shown", which didn't happen as often as you think.
@Myhopeisinhim As an after-thought to parts 4-6 of my response, have you read Patriarchs and Prophets or Steps to Christ? Because I can't help but notice that not a lot of people who listen to the critics have actually read these 2 books. Instead quoting bits here and there where the critics pointed out, never bothering to find out what kind of woman Ellen White was. Her love for Jesus was great, more so than the greats like Billy Graham; if you'd read those 2 books, it would be obvious.
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd 2} Around 1844, the cleansing role of Yom Kippur took place. People became more aware of their sins. William Miller didn't preach about the year so much as the preparation of hearts. He was more concerned with people humbling their hearts to God and laying aside sins; this was the purpose of Yom Kippur.
Yom Kippur was to sift out who were willing to humble their hearts before God and forsake their sins. This isn't about His Sacrifice, but His role as Advocate.
@iMattCi89 Counsels on Diet and Food (1938) Pages 63-64, she directly describes that a vegetarian diet will be the "food for the tables for ALL who claim to be preparing for translation to Heaven" What logically follows (unless youre an SDA defending this phony prophet) is that if i am a meat eater, i am not preparing, nor will i be prepared for translation. And by the way it is YOU who are stumbling on EGW's definition of evil, sinced she used it in the context of Websters definition.
@NORCURONMAN Woah there. Her exact words were "should be the food for the tables" not "will be". There's a gigantic difference in that. In the rest of her works on diet reform, she has written that situation must always be taken into account. And by the way, I don't know why you'd balk at the idea of preparing in diet considering there's no meat-eating in heaven.
And no, it's you who's stumbling over it because, by Webster's definition:
@iMattCi89 And by the way, your lame defence that, " Back then, "evil" was perfectly synonymous with just saying "not good for you", is a load of guano. You are taking her completely out of context with everything else she wrote on the subject. You sound like like a politician. Its understanable though, cult members HAVE to validate and defend their false prophet, or their whole belief system is proven a sham.
@NORCURONMAN "your lame defence that,... is a load of guano"
Did you also know she wrote: "the wicked are gathering together as fagots for the fires of the last day"
To modern ears, she's classifying the wicked as homosexuals. But back then, they still freely used that word to mean sticks bundled together as fire kindle.
Still think it's lame? Vocabulary context must be taken into account.
Rmember the 7 Churches are prophetic as Rev 1:3 says "Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy.
So contrary to what some claim, the 7 Churches are prophetic 7 symbolic, not literal.
Revelation 12 is a reiteration of the 7 Churches. The woman in Revelation 12 represents the Church at different stages in Church history & these are to be found in Rev 2/3
The woman in Rev 12:2 with 12 stars, AD 27
Offspring in Rev 12:17 with testimony of Jesus = 1844
Like I said, give us the answers. Its all too easy to critisize. You need to give us the alternative. What is your answer? If you say that E.G. White is a false prophetees, you've got to show us the way. God says "where there is no vison, the people perish"
You want to tell me that there is so much confusion in Christendom with 34,000 Churches & He hasn't intervened to show us the way? Surely you are not claiming that all is well in Christianity are you?
God says "Where there is no vision, the people perish". What is the alternative? You mean there are 34,00 Churches & God has not intervened to show us the right way? You are not claiming that all is well in Christianity are you?
Its all too easy to critisize. Without providing the alternative, critisizing is aimless & doesn't have weight. SO? What is the alternative/ You can't just dismiss E.G. White as a false prophet & not tell us who the true one is.
God says "Where there is no vision, the people perish". What is the alternative? You mean there are 34,00 Churches & God has not intervened to show us the right way? You are not claiming that all is well in Christianity are you?
Its all too easy to critisize. Without providing the alternative, critisizing is aimless & doesn't have weight. SO? What is the alternative/ You can't just dismiss E.G. White as a false prophet & not tell us who the true one is.
I can dismiss E.G White as a false prophet because her writings contradict the bible.And I, as a christain, uphold the Bible to be the ultimate truth of gods word, not the writings of a 19th century woman who claims to have visions.Guess what, Joseph Smith said he had visions of god too, then started up the mormon church.Many false prophets have claimed to be "the true follower of gods word".EGW is no different.
So you are not offering up a tangible alternative? Just condemning E G White & not offering a solution to the very real problem in Christianity?
Are you saying that there is nothing wrong with the Christian religion today? So to you all these many many Churches are not a bad idea? Not confusing? Claiming to read the same Bible?
Solution please to a very real problem! They can't all have the truth. God must intervene to guide & direct us. SO? No true prophet?
In order to uplift the"prestige"of the church for it is down a "bit" the pests call ex-Pr. GWBush, Hillary Clinton, in Australia ex-PMinisterJohnHoward to speak well about the church,if you as member of the church talk politics they blow you off but they bring politicians in the church to uplift for the church is full of junk, so I left them,I do not wan to see an idiot pastor like : kevin robinson which screams raging in the Sabbath from pulpit other one : kamsai P. say I am dizzy, and got flu.
LimaPeruSouthAmerica 1 week ago
Why this ex-taxi driver do not go back to drive taxi and want to stay pastor? because he wants to make gangs with more stupids in the church and to control woman act as pimps, official pimps by the church? A fruit-picker elder uneducated is telling me in 1992 :"all7da woman are prostitutes"I knew for I been married with one and her sister in law daughter of pastor, doctor for children paediatric with study over 20 years, two children with good husband she goes to commit adultery with an engineer
LimaPeruSouthAmerica 1 week ago
Other PIG pastor want to beat me with a baseball bath with his elders,7da church is a junk full of gangs, the junk stupid idiot god, Gods and jesus take the gangs from the world and put them in the church with stupids uneducated pastor and ex-taxi driver his name-tui j rosevear- also known as:-tui.rkish j.unk rottensvearski-which is the stupid god of my ex the prostitute, calling her the apple of his eyes. 7da is mafia corrupting the police against me and calling me paranoid and idiot, I am not.
LimaPeruSouthAmerica 1 week ago
In mid 2000's a PIG ameriCON junk elder is calling me -jew-, I never been a jew except his mother when was liking crap out of her vagina, the name of the pest is your famous idiot -vic gidely- he experienced the KISS of death so the pig of -allan butler- which die at the age of 49 the age of the crap in the sun with crust.
LimaPeruSouthAmerica 1 week ago
You come to them humble and interested to know and the pigs mock on me, a junk asian pastor with the name of -john chan- and he say to me on Sabbath day on church grounds : "your teeth from your mouth are yours?" and I answer yes thinking that he think of being false teeth, and he ask me this three times junk PIG 7da pest mocking on me, fuck their nostrils where they received the breath of life to become living PIGS like my neighbour net door at the pub with the name of -adam-, 7da CRAP junk.
LimaPeruSouthAmerica 1 week ago
pastor -tui j rosevear- from South Pacific is coming in Sabbath at pulpit and say :"you are hypnotised 1st. stage" after few weeks again :"you are hypnotised 2nd stage" what their mother fucker I come to church to be hypnotised because they want to practice of what the black prostitute of -ellen g whitish- did in her time also drugs? this is the reason I was born to come to see her junk doctrine and their stupid god,Gods and jesus of church of stupids black, asians and white zombies animalsPIGS
LimaPeruSouthAmerica 1 week ago
7th.- day adventists (7da) are a bundle of crocked which are looking for glory and praises yet are proud and arrogant, their delight is to judge yet 99.9 % of pastors and elders are junk animals of any ethnic group on the planet : white, black, or yellow races delight on their stupidity which is beyond comprehension. I been with them for 15 years but being married with one of them prostitutes I been harassed for33years and continue.The god, Gods and jesus of 7da is an animal stupid without glory
LimaPeruSouthAmerica 1 week ago
I´ve wondered all my life, what is all this bullshit about? I mean, why do we humans need to attribute all we see as something important, so some kinda deity we will never even see, as it doesn´t exist? Can´t people realize that they are predicating nonsense? Really, there´s no difference between greek mythology and roman catholicism, and judaism, and evangelism, other than the believers. The Greek at least were good people. All these pastors and guys predicating nowadays just want money -.-
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AWHNNOH 2 months ago
Bunch of fucking radical irrational idiots is what they are
zacheriaj 3 months ago
@zacheriaj Quite strong language. Before judging, are you familiar with all of our 28 Fundamental Beliefs?
iMattCi89 3 months ago
Distinguish root & fruit. Root = faith, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit = obedience, but obedience is not perfect because we are not, Not Willing we all stumble
Law -mirror that hangs on the wall U shave in, shows were the hair is to cut off, only a idiot takes the mirror off the wall & shave with it. (condemned by law but shaved by grace
We serve in the new way of the Spirit, not in the
old way of the written code" Which was to lead us TO Christ & UNTIL Christ
game11221 3 months ago
SDA is mystery Babylon doctrine. They bet up on the Catholic church but they do the same thing. Catholics worship the sun and not the Son of God( some Catholics don't know this) SDA doctrine worship the Sabbath day. If any of you SDA member wants to find answers ask and it shall be given. ex - Adventist 1989 to 2007 strong and I know the doctrines. SDA is far from Protestant or remnant of God.
Donking595 3 months ago
Yeah they believe in Jesus but not the way the Bible says. They believe that Jesus is Michael the arch angel and not God in the flesh. They don't believe Jesus paid it all on the cross ( they don't believe Jesus fulfilled it all on the cross with his blood) Yes they believe in the bible but not the whole Bible. Coming from an ex- Adventist! Don't get involve with cult doctrines.
Donking595 3 months ago
@Donking595 Yes, some people quiver when SDAs refer to Michael the archangel as Jesus. But it's misunderstood. They're not saying Jesus is an angel. "Archangel" means 'highest or greatest messenger'. Jesus is not an angel, SDAs believe He is the Son of God. I could give you scores of quotes on that. In Rev. 12:7 it refers to Michael as the leader of the angels and the leader of good versus the leader of evil, the dragon (Satan). Jesus Christ is the leader of the angels and of good.
GamerDude573 3 months ago
@Donking595 Also, my name is Michael and the Hebrew meaning for it is "Who is Like God?" or "Who is as God". I'm not saying that I am like God. But the way the Hebrews understood it, Michael was "like God" or the Son of God. Not an angel, but the greatest messenger. The word angel means messenger. Also see Daniel 12:1 and Jude 1:9.
GamerDude573 3 months ago
@GamerDude573 I would like to see you show me in scripture. Jesus the archangel or Michael the son of God or Jesus the messenger of michael in the flesh. No were in the bible says these things. SDA dose not look at Jesus as being equal to God the father. Same as the Jews just from a different angle.
Donking595 3 months ago
@Donking595
I am an adventist and I believe that Jesus paid for all peoples sins but I'm a teen, still need to learn when i'm ready
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mechs1234 3 months ago
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Donking595 3 months ago
@mechs1234 My friend read the bible KJV for your self . Dont read the NIV, Clear Word Bible or any of those other false satanic so called bible versions. If you want to find the truth that is. SDA teachings and doctrines for the most part dont line up with the word of God . If its not the whole word of God then its of that other guy (satan)I was an SDA for almost 20yrs 1989 to 2007 strong and fully got out this year. Their is no true salvation in their doctrine. Jesus Christ is the only way
Donking595 3 months ago
@Donking595 Amen, you have spoken the truth! I, too, was a SDA and it took a miracle for the Lord to open my eyes to their demonic teachings. i dare call them demonic because they are not gospel and if they are not gospel then they are, as you have suggested, from the devil. That doesn't mean SDA believers are devils. Far from it. They are among the most dedicated believers I know. They are deceived and need our prayers.
brianhyde63 3 months ago
@brianhyde63 Yes we must pray that they come out of Mystery Babylon because the road that they are on is the road to destruction. SDA, Mormons, jehovah witness, Catholics, later day saints and some others are on that wide road of many to destruction. They all share the same but different views. They all put a thing between them and Jesus Christ. Teaching things that are not found in the Bible (lies). What is not of God is of the great deciever satan. I hope they listen and read the whole Bible.
Donking595 3 months ago
@Donking595 The Clear Word Bible's not a version, it's a paraphrase, devotional book. It hasn't ever been intended to be a Bible translation. As for NIV, plenty of denominations use it, so why the fuss? No one should rely on just one translation.
iMattCi89 3 months ago
The Sda church is the only protestant christian church that still preaches what the founding protestants thought the people in the dark ages. The pope is the anti christ who changed Gods laws and sabbath day who burned and tortured millions of christians who exhaulted himself as high as God and who controls the satanic secret societies. You who persecute the sda church are jesuits who have infitraded our church like all other protestant churches u are satan worshippers pretending christianity
vladimirkovalski 4 months ago
The Jews as they were known in Bible times went out with the crucifying of the Messiah. That's when the gospel truth went out to the gentiles full and into all the world. The Jews people are still holding onto their old beliefs that were the same during Jesus' time when they rejected Him.
taupoutaleofo 4 months ago
@iMattCi89
You said: "Yom Kippur wasn't just atonement for sin, but a time of judgment"
Can you show me that from the scriptures?
What were the duties of the high priest aside from his performance on the day of atonement? and did anything else interrupt the day of atonement duties until they were complete? Did the high priest go from the day of atonement duties to his regular duties back to the day of atonement duties again?
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
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I personally do not believe Ellen White was inspired because her teachings often contradicted the bible, and she would have known so if she had understood the bible.
For her to believe that satan was the second goat when there is no biblical evidence that that is so could only have occurred through either an imaginative mind, or satan desiring her to believe so. The same with the believe that the day of atonement isn't complete yet because to keep it still open and change it, takes away from...
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
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Christ and keeps the believer in limbo, not knowing if his sins will be forgiven. Sins still not being forgiven, etc. Christ completed the day of atonement 2000 years ago. He didn't do half of it then wait till 1844 to perform the other half and still performing it to today.
Do you realize Christ already knows who is condemned, and who isn't? He doesn't need 167 years to decide. Ellen taught that you shouldn't say you are saved basically because she believed it wasn't decided yet.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
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She believed the sin was transferred into the temple by the blood throughout the year, and that the temple through that had become defiled(correct me if I'm wrong) because of it. If I'm correct and this is what you and ellen white believed, can you show me which sacrifices where the blood was taken into the tabernacle, and which scriptures show the blood becoming tainted with sin?
Was anything unholy allowed to enter the tabernacle? Thanks for chatting, I really appreciate it:)
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Um, about "She believed the sin was transferred into the temple by the blood throughout the year..." I'd need to see exactly how it was phrased, because it makes research into it easier. Where'd you get this?
But it's for certain that blood was brought into the tabernacle. You need to give the reference of Ellen White writing that so I understand what you're talking about.
iMattCi89 4 months ago 2
@Myhopeisinhim Yom Kippur wasn't for forgiveness of sin, because that happened with the daily. It was for the cleansing of God's people. It was for them to search their hearts and among themselves to see if they were ready to be vindicated as people who were forgiven of their sins. Forgiveness of sins isn't just status in God's sight - it has deeds consistent with repentance (Acts 26:18,20).
It's the 1st Angel's message of Rev 14:6-7, which is "Do you fear the Lord?"
iMattCi89 4 months ago 5
@iMattCi89 Hi Matt! I see you are still on the wrong side. You say "Forgiveness of sins isn't just status in God's sight - it has deeds consistent with repentance (Acts 26:18,20)" In other words salvation has to be maintained by our good deeds, right? .If you say no, then what exactly do you mean. If you say yes, then you are inconsistent,with the word, eg, Ephesians 2-8ff which says salvation is not of works (and by salvation I understand every aspect of salvation including sanctification).
brianhyde63 3 months ago
@brianhyde63 I say no; think of it like there's no midpoint. You can't be forgiven and not bear fruit of repentance. If you truly have faith and repented of sin, you won't entertain the thought of going back. That's what Yom Kippur was for. Even though the daily happened daily :p, Yom Kippur was the time for deep soul-searching to not just confess (as per the daily), but to truly repent.
It's a whole package and it can't be separated. A person can't be justified and still live in sin.
iMattCi89 3 months ago
@iMattCi89
I have a strange question, but I assure you I have a reason. You said: "You can't be forgiven and not bear fruit of repentance."
Why? Do you believe that you must follow the law to prove that you have truly repented. That God is going to judge whether your repentance was true based on your actions? or for some other reason?
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Why does it always come to "must"? Like I said to brother brian, Romans 8:6-9 describes that someone who has the Spirit leading their lives will be subject to the law of God. This isn't the same as being "under the law". The Greek word is different. It isn't about what "must be done", but it's like an observed state. If you have the Spirit, you will be obedient to God's law. If you don't have the Spirit, then you can't be obedient to God's law. Simple as that :)
iMattCi89 3 months ago
@brianhyde63 {cont'd} To better understand what I mean by "fruit of repentance", it's summed up in Romans 8, which describes the carnal mind having enmity with God because it's not obedient to the law of God. However, the mind that walks in the Spirit is the opposite. So if someone has the Spirit indwelling, the Spirit would compel that person to be in harmony with the law of God.
iMattCi89 3 months ago
@brianhyde63 (sidenote- oops! Seeing your comment here, I just remembered I haven't gotten back to your PMs. Sorry! Been very busy with school work and quizzes and now finals are around the corner!)
iMattCi89 3 months ago
@iMattCi89 Dont worry about the PMs I have forgetten them now. Btw every success for your finals brother! Just one question Do you believe that a person must repent before they can be saved?
brianhyde63 2 months ago
@brianhyde63 thx! hm, that qn is tricky. It depends on how you mean "saved". If you're referring to by the time Jesus comes, then yes, must repent [Gal 5:19-21]. But if you're referring to "b4 letting Jesus in", that's more like a "it can't not happen if it's genuine faith". Repentance of the heart can only happen by Jesus putting it in you. But this does not prevent you from coming to him even if you don't feel like it. Genuine faith in Him will result in Him putting in the feel of repentance.
iMattCi89 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
As for Christ already knowing who's condemned and who isn't, of course He does. However, this process isn't for His benefit, but for ours. Think carefully about it: was Yom Kippur to settle God's mind about His people? Or was it for His people to search themselves to see if their minds truly were settled on Him, with sin cast aside?
iMattCi89 4 months ago 5
@Myhopeisinhim The reason Satan's the scapegoat is very simple: in the system, the scapegoat wasn't for forgiveness of sin- blame was put on it. Jesus never took the blame for our sins; He took our punishment. And in Revelation, it's so clearly put in Rev 12 and 20 that Satan's blamed for deceiving the nations.
iMattCi89 4 months ago 2
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He didn't just take our punishment. Our sin was laid on him, placed in his own body...he became sin for us. Our iniquities were placed in Jesus own body, he took our guilt/blame, as though they were his own.
2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness:....
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
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by whose stripes ye were healed.
He took our sin as though it were his own, and took the punishment for them,so that through faith we might receive the righteousness of Christ. He took our sin, and gave his righteousness in it's place. He paid for them, securing a pardon for us.
This is basically the gospel message in a nutshell. We find life through him because he took everything you did wrong into himself, and paid for them, so that you could be made perfect in him by faith.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
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She wrote in the Great Controversy: "In the typical service only those who had come before God with confession and repentance, and whose sins, through the blood of the sin offering, were transferred to the sanctuary, had a part in the service of the Day of Atonement."
This is only one phrase, but it is evident she believed that sin entered the sanctuary via the blood of the sacrifice.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
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I must say I have to echo Paul:
Gal 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed
Jesus took your blame my friend, took all your sin into his own body, as though they were his own, and was...
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
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nailed to the cross, shedding his blood to pay the price for our sin. In turn, through faith, we have become complete in him, and receive his righteousness through what he did for us. It's because of this that we can receive life everlasting through his works, not ours.
We can now approach the Father with full confidence in his son, having prepared the way and reconciling us to the Father. We can receive forgiveness by coming to him, and be made whole. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ...
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
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and thou shalt be saved.
This is the gospel...and nothing is more beautiful than what he did for us. I pray that through prayer, you may see all that he has done. He did soo much more than you could possibly imagine, and he did it for you so you could find life in him.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Oops! Finally saw this. Yom Kippur was the time when God's people were to cleanse themselves of their sins (not about forgiveness of sin) [Lev 16:30]. Think of it like a review period. During the year, they confessed their sins. DoA was to validate if they really repented (soul-searching). As for the judgment bit, it wasn't part of the ceremony, but if someone still held sin in their heart on the DoA, the high priest was killed and the nation's sin not covered. [1 Pet 4:17].
iMattCi89 3 months ago
@iMattCi89
In simple response about the day of atonement: The day of atonement was to atone for the sins of the people. The blood was taken into the most holy Place to show God that atonement had been made so that the peoples sins could be cleansed, removed from them.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim True, it was about atonement. However, this kind of atonement wasn't the same as the daily (Ex 29:36). That one was about confessing sin upon the sacrifice, as a shadow to justification. The DoA was about purifying, as a shadow of sanctification. When the high priest came out, that was the shadow of glorification, because all traces of sin were purged from God's people.
iMattCi89 3 months ago
@iMattCi89 Oh, yes, another question. Similar vein. Do you think that it is our work to search our hearts to discover sin there or do you think it is the work of the Holy Spirit to discover sin there? If you say the former then what is the criteria by which we can know that we have discovered all our sin? And, applying this to Israel on the Day of Atenment, how would an Israelite know that he or she had not missed anything in that self examination to avoid being cut off?
brianhyde63 2 months ago
@brianhyde63 I think it's both. The reason is, God doesn't force us to search our hearts. But if we do, it's what He wants us to do, so He gives His Spirit to empower that decision.
As for Israel on the DoA, I'm not sure... God at that time didn't say anything about His Spirit's work for anything, so God's involvement in their searching of hearts isn't mentioned in the OT. However, we do know from the NT that whenever we do His will, He sends His Spirit.
iMattCi89 2 months ago
@iMattCi89 Thanks for that. For the moment I thought you were teaching that we must repent first before we can come to Christ. That is, of course, impossible since repentance follows rebirth. But, at the same time, when one accepts Christ I do think there is a conviction that one is a sinner. My reason for asking about the D of A was about whether as sinners we can really discern the true condition of our hearts even though we may search them diligently, for the heart is deceiful
brianhyde63 2 months ago
@iMattCi89 .... We surely need the Holy Spirit to reveal what is in our hearts but even then I don't think He could not show us everything because the shame and guilt would overwhelm us.
brianhyde63 2 months ago
@brianhyde63 I think you've just hit the nail as to why Jesus did not finish this work during the time of the apostles. I think it's because the truth about this hasn't spread around the whole world yet. That's like the 1st Angel's Message of Rev 14:6-7, which is a message of getting our act together and know the fear of the Lord, to the whole world. And once it does spread around the whole world, it'll take time for people to actually know the fear of the Lord and accomplish James 4:8.
iMattCi89 2 months ago
@iMattCi89 John 19:30 It is finished. That means the debt has been paid in full. the only thing left is for Jesus to return. His mission is accomplished. In Hebrews 10:12 He "sat down" at the right hand of the father because His work was done.
JesusIsEnough777 2 months ago
@JesusIsEnough777 His work as the Sacrifice is done, but not as High Priest. Just because He settled at the Father's right hand, doesn't mean He's done working. If He is done, why hasn't He come back? Revelation 5 shows that He is not done yet even if He's at the right hand. Revelation shows a pretty active temple instead of a silent one to indicate everything's done.
God hasn't said "It is done" yet [Rev 16:17, Rev 21:6], indicating Jesus finished only one role at the cross, with 2 more to go.
iMattCi89 2 months ago
@JesusIsEnough777 This Day of Atonement isn't about Jesus paying our debt. The Day of Atonement was to purify His people's thoughts and affections; for deep soul-searching to cast out every sin in their lives. It was to see if they could be vindicated as people who had their sins forgiven. Because if they did have their sins forgiven, they would act as such and not go back under the bondage of sin.
iMattCi89 2 months ago
@iMattCi89
Could the priest take anything defiled into the sanctuary?
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim I don't think so... I haven't read all of the Pentateuch yet.
iMattCi89 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim The high priest's duties aside from the DoA was the same as the priest; he participated in the other rituals. So his duty roster was something like:
Do the daily services like the priests.
On the 10th day of the 7th month, conduct DoA service. If God's pleased, live; If God isn't, die.
Once DoA is over, resume daily services.
The concept about the high priest dying because of the people's sin is also in the NT [Heb 6:6, 10:26], showing that even that bit was a shadow.
iMattCi89 3 months ago
@iMattCi89
Can you show me in the scriptures, in the old testament preferably, that speaks of the high priests duties?
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim As Aaron was the 1st high priest, you need only look at his duties. Some are here (Ex 27:21, 28:30, 38, Ex 29:44) and there's quite a bit more, mostly describing the functions of a priest. The ones that were different from a priest and made the high priest stand out, was the garment (like Urim&Thummim) and the only one allowed into the sanctuary on the DoA.
iMattCi89 3 months ago
@zeratul1356
Definitely, that is the gospel message. That is what we have to believe that leads to salvation.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
Prophecy has been speeding up like labor pains. The time to prepared is now. Become self sustainable as soon as you can. Laws are being passed to hamper the growth and consumption of our own food. Prepare a retreat to not just survive but for your family to thrive in these end times. Biospharms has the info you need.
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biospharms 4 months ago
You know, ive recently joined a Seventh day adventist private school and so far im loving it.I have yet to see how adventists are not christain.Im not an adventist myself(being a baptist) but adventsist seem like fellow christains who still follow the old rules of the testament.I only disagree when some of them say that all christains are supposed to follow the old law.Though I do not think EGW is a prophet, but instead just an inspired writer.I do though disagree with what she says
zeratul1356 4 months ago
@zeratul1356
On the surface they appear to be christian, even appear closely to mainstream christianity with the only difference being they go to church on saturday. However when you look deeper you learn that things aren't quite what they seem.
They do not believe that Christ has completed his atonement, and thus works play a part in whether or not they will be seen as having faith. They also believe that the second goat on the day of atonement is satan and that satan will bear our sin.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Friend, sorry but you are the one who on the surface appear to be Christian but upon close inspection are shown to be not quite what you seem.
All Sunday keepers ever talk about is the cross. NOTHING is ever said about Jesus' work AFTER the cross. That is Roman Catholic religion where Jesus is eternally dead & is always on the cross. What about His work after His ressurection?
Romans 5:10 says that His death reconciled us & that HIS LIFE SAVES US.
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Where is the gospel AFTER the cross? He did ressurect you know. Saying nothing about what He is doing now, what constitutes His work after the cross, is preching half gospel.
If the atonement is complete then why are we still here & not with God? Why is sin still reigning if He has already removed it from His people?
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
He's doing a few things:
Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also
He's preparing a place for us. He's also ever present in the presence of God as a mediator between us and God, having reconciled us to God through his blood. He's the...
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
living and breathing testament that our sins have been atoned for and that we stand complete. He's whose name we come before the Father with, without him we do not have access to the Father.
He's the head of the church, he's helping the church to grow. He's continuously drawing people to him. He is constantly touching our heart with his Spirit teaching us in the ways we must go.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
He's not performing the dailies, he's not offering himself again and again. he offered himself once, and that is it.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Friend, be honest. Did the high priest stay inside the Temple & not come out after entering the Holy of holies?
If he did, then how can the Christ do differently? How can He fail to return if the day of atonement is complete?
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
He didn't go to heaven to continue performing the day of atonement. That is complete already. Now he is there mediating for us because that atonement IS complete. There were other aspects, prophecies, things to happen before he can return the second time.
He already purchased us just as the bridegroom does in the jewish wedding. Now he's preparing the place for us. When his father tells him, then it's time to return.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Why the mediation if all is complete? All being complete means you should now be with God & not needing any mediation. Please!
What is He mediating for you for? What is mediation but to speak on behalf of the offender! So if you still offend God with your SINS, how then can you claim to be AT ONE with God?
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
I think you are misunderstand what is going on. When Christ wasn't there with his blood, we couldn't approach the Father. The way into his presence hadn't yet been made. Now Christ is there, showing our sins having been atoned for, showing that our price had already been paid, as a bridegroom pays for his bride.
It is because he is there that we can approach the Father because he presents us as spotless, which allows us to enter the Father's presence. He is....
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
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Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
mediating for us, having presented his offering on our behalf, and reconciling us to God. His presence is assurance that we can approach the Father boldly.
It's not the case of him performing temple ceremonies each time someone offends as it was with the priests on earth.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
He's there showing the Father, you've been made perfect in him through what he did. Not you.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
If the average adventist beleives that sunday worshippers of god will get the mark of the beast(like EGW claims), then I will be absolutely disgusted.How could any christain say that about fellow followers of Jesus christ?See, I dont think you understand.You know why the other churchs talk alot about the cross?because God came down to this earth and died for our sins.He gave us salvation.Nothing more is more important than that.Absolutely nothing.
zeratul1356 4 months ago
WHAT HAPPENED IN 1844??
A BUNCH OS PEOPLE BELIEVED THE SAME SCRIPTURAL MISINTERPRETATIONS OF SCRIPTURE AND, LIKE HAROLD CAMPING, GOT REALLY "DISAPPOINTED". THEN INSTEAD OF ADMITIING THEIR MISTAKES THE LISTENED TO A PHONY BOLOGNY 'PROPHET' THAT TOLD THEM GOD STARTED AN INVESTIGATION THAT HAS NOW TAKEN HIM 167 YEARS!! AND THE STILL CALL IT THE "DAY OF ATONEMENT". HINT TO ALL SDA CULTMEMBERS: 1 DAY DOES NOT = 167 YEARS! OH YEA, AND GOD IS ALLKNOWING SO A 167 YEAR INVESTIGATION IS A JOKE!
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
We have a part to play, not striving to have faith, but looking after the faithful one. Faith is Gods gift to all that hear the gospel, if they don't reject it! So salvation becomes a matter of grace. By grace you are saved through faith, not of our selves, it is a gift of God! Free Gift! Were sin abounds grace much more abounds. Religion is grace, ethics is gratitude!
game11221 4 months ago
Grace is a free gift. This is not cheap grace! We do have a part to play, to look after the faithful one! Ethics is gratitude! Religion is grace!
Lets say, you bought me gift and said it will cost me two hundred dollars, God know we are stupid, so He says free gift! It is true, it is true for you! To all that believe! To all that receive
game11221 4 months ago
When our Lord died as our representative, He took our place. In my place He stood, sealed me with His blood. Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful. It's more then forgiveness, it's acquittal, God says, I will count you as you never sinned. The imputation of the merits of Christ!
He became what He was not, SO I COULD BECOME WHAT I AM NOT. It is not a matter of who you are, but who's you are, the devils or Christ's.
game11221 4 months ago
The woman in Revelation 12 is a great wonder. Here is part of the explanation by Pastor Harold E. Metcalf, who is also an evangelist, and Author. Daniel and Revelation are books of prophecy containing many symbols. Most people find these difficul to interpret. Harold Metcalf has read, studied, researched, taught and lectured on these great prophetic books for almost half a century. The great prophecies of Daniel and Revelation are relevant today with theri focal point upon Christ's coming.
taupoutaleofo 4 months ago
@taupoutaleofo And when a phony SDA cult prophet like Ellen White says to people that eating meat is "evil" and that people who eat meat at Yeshua's 2nd coming "will not be translated" (from Counsels on Diet and Foods), I'll have to remind Ellen and the rest of her culty koolaidsipping Adventists that Yehua (JESUS) ate meat.
Thats a no brainer, any fool that buys into ANY SDA doctrine has only to look at the wacky croakings of their prophet and pro EGW ministers like Harold Metcalf and laugh!
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@NORCURONMAN Could you quote exactly which page/chapter she wrote meat-eaters won't be translated? And you seem to be stumbling over 19th century English, which is somewhat common. Back then, "evil" was perfectly synonymous with just saying "not good for you". It doesn't mean it's the devil's plot.
iMattCi89 4 months ago
@iMattCi89 Counsels on Diet and Food (1938) Pages 63-64, she directly describes that a vegetarian diet will be the "food for the tables for ALL who claim to be preparing for translation to Heaven" What logically follows (unless youre an SDA defending this phony prophet) is that if i am a meat eater, i am not preparing, nor will i be prepared for translation. And by the way it is YOU who are stumbling on EGW's definition of evil, sinced she used it in the context of Websters defenition.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@iMattCi89 And something even MORE ridiculous that EGW claims is that her Health Reform message is PART of the 3rd Angels Message (1Test. p486)! So now after equating mest eating with "evil", i am now also in danger of getting the MarK of the Beast! WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE MY DEAR KOOLAID SIPPING FRIEND?! Here's what IS in the Bible: According to Revelation 22:18 God will add the plagues and the loss of salvation to ole EGW and anyone teaching that crap she taught. Thats IN SCRIPTURE. so sad
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@NORCURONMAN You think you know about Seventh Day Adventists. YOU DON'T, plain and simple. You think you know it all you DON'T. You talk like you were there with Jesus back in the day. You weren't! Seventh Day Adventist is not a cult. And also, you have no solid proof of what you are rambling about, and you sound so angry, why?
taupoutaleofo 4 months ago
@taupoutaleofo Actually, I DO know all about the SDA's- plain and simple. I was a 3rd generation, koolaid sipping Adventist, until i studied my way out of it. Its amazing what learning the original language of the Bible will actually teach you. And i know all about their phony false prophet EGW who said that Jerusalem would NEVER be rebuilt. Funny, i was IN "rebuilt" Jerusalem a year ago sipping coffe at a cafe on Ben Yehuda St.
Thank Adonai EGW WAS a phony, that city is AWESOME. cults suk!!
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@taupoutaleofo
Don't be bothered by that Jew my dearly beloved. Jews of his type hate Adventism because it teaches that the Church is Israel. They say SDA is wrong about the so-called replacement theology & this is what makes their blood boil. They say we say their people the Jews have been replaced.
But they cannot change the Bible. ALL true Christians are Israel, not those Jews who reject the Messiah
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
We are of the faith of Abraham, but we are not jews, and not Israelites; however, we have been grafted into the vine, but we have not become Israelites. They are a peculiar people. He has told us that he has not forsaken them. They are still mentioned in the new testament as a physical people.
Unfortunately, some verses have been misinterpreted.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
To take the cross from the Christian is like blotting the sun out of the ski! We are saved by grace by faith Our Lords blood covers us like a cloud over u all ur days. Long as u keep ur eye on Him u can not be lost. He died for me, He represented for me. Im accepted in the beloved by the grace of God. God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son! By the merits of Christ we are looked upon. If we hold to him by faith we are held as spotless as His Son. Cross = glory of gospel
game11221 4 months ago
Ellen White was not a fag just a trendy metro queer!
MrTayZonday 4 months ago
I have a friend who attends a SDA church. He said that Ellen White is a prophet. I don't know her history. What I know is what the Bible says about prophets in that if they make one false prophecy they are indeed a false prophet. I believe that is pretty straight forward. I will let you be the judge of that.
Truenorthman100 4 months ago
@Truenorthman100 Well brother I DO know her history and the entire slimy history of the development of that church and their false prophet. Encourage your friend to leave, quickly. it is as much a cult as the Mormon church or the J W's. In fact some of Ellen White's 'angel showed me prophecies" are almost word for word from Joseph Smith. I guess the SAME "angel" (evil angel) was showing both of them similar things, or she just plaigerized Joseph Smith like she did with countless other authors.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@NORCURONMAN
If Mrs Ellen White is a false prophetees, who then did God send in 1844? For He did indeed say He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses.
So if didn't happen, then how can we believe that God exists & keeps His word? People who critisize need to realise just what responsibility is theirs.
It is all too easy to critisize. Critics have a responsibilty to provide a tangible alternative. Not just to dismiss & say/do nothing. Not good enough
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
WHERE in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses." Did you read that in your "Clear Word blasphemic Bible"? It is indeed sad that you would have to quote me ADVENTIST doctrine, guised as the original Scriptures, to make a socalled "biblical argument".
Not good enough for you, because your a brainwashed SDA.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
WHERE in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses." Did you read that in your "Clear Word blasphemic Bible"? It is indeed sad that you would have to quote me ADVENTIST doctrine, guised as the original Scriptures, to make a socalled "biblical argument".
Not good enough for you, because your a brainwashed SDA.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
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@PreparetomeetthyGod
WHERE in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses." Did you read that in your "Clear Word blasphemic Bible"? It is indeed sad that you would have to quote me ADVENTIST doctrine, guised as the original Scriptures, to make a socalled "biblical argument".
Not good enough for you, because your a brainwashed SDA.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod WHERE in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses." Did you read that in your "Clear Word blasphemic Bible"? It is indeed sad that you would have to quote me ADVENTIST doctrine, guised as the original Scriptures, as a socalled "biblical argument".
Not good enough for you, because youre brainwashed by SDA doctrine.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
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@PreparetomeetthyGod WHERE in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses." Did you read that in your "Clear Word blasphemic Bible"? It is indeed sad that you would have to quote me ADVENTIST doctrine, guised as the original Scriptures, as a socalled "biblical argument".
Not good enough for you, because youre brainwashed by SDA doctrine.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod WHERE in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb to Moses." Did you read that in your "Clear Word blasphemic Bible"? It is indeed sad that you would have to quote me ADVENTIST doctrine, guised as the original Scriptures, as a socalled "biblical argument".
Not good enough for you, because youve been brainwashed by SDA doctrine.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod Where in the Torah, the Books of the Prophets, or in the Brit Chaddashah (New Testament), does it EXACTLY say: "He will send a prophet in 1844 who will exalt the Law given at Horeb".
Is that in your cult Bible "The Clear Word Bible" that adds EGW doctrine directly into the text? It IS all too easy to criticize a denomination that has to have EVEN A PARAPPHRASE, that adds its own doctrine into the original Bible text. Thats why you gave me that sad brainwashed answer.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@NORCURONMAN
If you are interested in discussing the sending of the prophet Elijah, we can do that but please be civil friend.
Matthew 17:11 & Malachi 4:5 speaks of the sending of Elijah.
The angel of the Church of Laodicea is this Elijah. Notice this Church is called Laodicea which means the JUDGING of the people & it is also a Church that has the Law but keeps it in its power, illustrated by its need for clothes, robes of righteousness & the charge of nakedness
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod Wow you completely ignored my question and then quoted Clifford Goldstein's SDA doctrine on Laodicea,and then you just ramdomly assigned 1844 to Revelation 12:17. Youre such a good, brainwashed little Sadventist. Of curse you forgot to mention that the Lord will SPEW Laodicea out of His mouth. Im done writing to zombies who cant stop ADDING to the Bible, dates that ARENT there.
I wont give "pearsl to swine" any more.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@NORCURONMAN
You can be done with swines all you like but you cannot change the brutal truth that 1844 in Revelation 12;17 is a FACT.
Its confirmed by the FACT that the woman in Revelation 12 with 12 stars on her head is Israel AFTER Jesus, not ancient Israel before the appearance of the Moshiach.
If you can accept this FACT, you will be blessed & will understand God's plan for mankind better. If you call that replacement theology then you don't know the God of Israel.
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago
@NORCURONMAN Let me just help you with your prolem. 1844 ended the prophesy of the 2,360 days. This was the year that Christ ascended to the most holy place in the heavenly sanctuary to start the judgement and be our advocate before His Father, using his blood to pay for our sins, if we are worthy. The women in Revelation 12:1-5 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
taupoutaleofo 4 months ago
@taupoutaleofo And let me help you with YOUR problem, a word of advice: Never spew SDA doctine as an argument to someone (me), who knows that Adventism IS a cult. You almost quoted word for word EGW. You may as well quote Pete Pan to me. At least Peter Pan never makes false prophesies or misquotes basic Hebrew to defend what their SDA cult doctrines say. I studied my way out of Adventism. Hebrew and Greek is antecedent to EGW and Adventism, and completely contradicts your Invest Judgement crap.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@taupoutaleofo
Actually, Christ already entered the Most Holy Place 2000 years ago when he completed his work. It is because he went in before us that we have been able to enter in. His blood has already been presented to the Father, and because of that we can enter in through his flesh, which was represented by the veil.
His blood was proof that the sins have been paid for by the death of Christ. The date of 1844 is built on false prophecies and has no bearing on scripture.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
The understanding that sda's have is based on a vision, and not based on the bible. When Ellen White didn't understand why Christ didn't come, she claimed to have received a vision that explained what happened. She didn't turn to the bible for answers, she turned to visions because she couldn't understand the bible.
We're supposed to test what man or angels say based on what we know in the scriptures, it's how we know that what the man/angel says is true. Not base the bible on what they say.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
If she didn't understand the bible did she really have the capability to test the spirits in her visions based on the bible? Instead, she allowed the spirits to guide her, teach her, and since she didn't understand the bible she could not have decided herself whether or not that what they spoke was true.
This is evident in the teachings she received in her visions. Her companions simply accepted them because of the visions, considering she said she didn't understand before them.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
The scariest thing is that the men around her didn't know enough about the bible to rightly test either.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim They were having a prayer meeting when the vision happened. She wasn't searching for a vision. In fact, historically, the Millerites had gotten rather wary of visions because they encountered fanaticism in their midst.
iMattCi89 4 months ago
@iMattCi89
The following is a quote from the "Light bearers"
They were hammered out as the result of Bible study, discussion, and prayer. Much of the time, Ellen White testified, she could not understand the texts under discussion and the issues involved. Yet she later remembered that when the brethren who were studying "came to the point…where they said, 'We can do nothing more' the Spirit of the Lord would come upon me, I would be taken off in vision, and a clear explain...
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
...of the passages we had been studying would be given me, with instructions as to how we were to labor and teach effectively." Because the participants "knew that when not in vision, I could not understand these matters,…they accepted as light direct from heaven the revelations given.
This confirms that sda teaching is formulated based on visions, rather than being based on the bible.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim And that proves my point! My point was that she didn't seek for a vision from God to understand. She had very little to do with doctrinal formation; her visions primarily functioned as affirmation when it came to doctrine. Most visions were about Christian conduct and direction in administrative matters. The reason why the doctrinal bits are so pronounced is because the bulk of her visions had to do with individuals and they were private and only gists were recorded.
iMattCi89 4 months ago
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Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Actually, He did and didn't. The High Priest went into the Holiest to inaugurate the tabernacle with blood (Moses & Aaron) and he went in during Yom Kippur. Hebrews has a bit of mistranslation in some translations. The ones with italics show it best.
iMattCi89 4 months ago
@iMattCi89
The first place that the priest went to on the day of atonement 'with the blood' is the most holy place. He didn't perform the work first in the holy place, the holy place came after. For one, the veil which separated the Most Holy place from the Holy place was rent upon the death of Christ showing that the way into the most holy place had been made.
The priest only went in once a year to signify that before christ came, the way in had not yet been prepared. Without her...
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
visions, you'd never come to the conclusion that adventists have on this matter. There is too much contextual biblical evidence to speak against the adventist teaching of this passage. The bible has to be denied on this matter otherwise the teaching of 1844 flops.
Again, such is the case of ellen white's visions deciding for you what the bible means, instead of using the bible to test her visions.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
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@Myhopeisinhim "The first place that the priest went to on the day of atonement" Actually, the point about Dan 8:14 is that Yom Kippur hadn't come when Jesus died. Heb 9 references Yom Kippur, but does not say Jesus carried it out. It mentioned Yom Kippur only when talking about the Holiest, because it's when the high priest could enter.
Yom Kippur was indeed when the high priest went straight to the Holiest. But every day he ministered only in the holy. {cont'd}
iMattCi89 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
{cont'd 2} which is what we believe: until 1844, Jesus ministered in the Holy. 1844 was when Yom Kippur started.
"rent upon the death of Christ showing that the way into the most holy place had been made" The Bible doesn't actually say that's what it meant, it's just assumed. The better theory is Heb 10:20, that Christ's flesh is the fulfillment of the type in the veil. ie. the entire sacrificial system was disrupted when He died because it was fulfilled. {cont'd}
iMattCi89 4 months ago
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@Myhopeisinhim
{cont'd 2} which is what we believe: until 1844, Jesus ministered in the Holy. 1844 was when Yom Kippur started.
"rent upon the death of Christ showing that the way into the most holy place had been made" The Bible doesn't actually say that's what it meant, it's just assumed. The better theory is Heb 10:20, that Christ's flesh is the fulfillment of the type in the veil. ie. the entire sacrificial system was disrupted when He died because it was fulfilled. {cont'd}
iMattCi89 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
{cont'd 3} "Without her visions, you'd never come to the conclusion..." That actually came from Hiram Edson's realization that they interpreted "sanctuary" wrong, not because of Ellen White's vision. And that preceded before her vision about it.
"The bible has to be denied...otherwise ...1844 flops" No, it's because you misread Heb 9. It doesn't say Jesus ministered Yom Kippur. Yom Kippur had a very different function compared to the daily. It wasn't for forgiveness of sins.
iMattCi89 4 months ago
@iMattCi89
Do you deny that Ellen White made prophecies and taught doctrines based on visions?
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim "Do you deny that Ellen White made prophecies and taught doctrines based on visions?"
I don't know if you've noticed, but a large bulk of prophecies in the Bible were from visions. As for doctrines, that didn't happen in the way you think. While it's true that she didn't always understand all the Bible studies into each doctrinal formation, she sometimes (and I stress it) had a vision that clarified matters by plugging holes in logic (which does happen in Bible study).
iMattCi89 4 months ago
iMattCi89
Hebrews 9:6-8
Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: the holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing....
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
It then goes on to speak of Christ...
But Christ being come a HIGH PRIEST of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building, neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in ONCE into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us
In context, you can't deny it speaks of him being the high priest and entering once as the high priest did into the second compartment. Check this out....
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
Hebrews 10:17-20
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where the remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh.
Hebrews 9:6-8 spoke of a way that had not yet been manifested, which is why the priest only entered in once a year because it hadn't yet been made manifest....
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
but hebrews 10 shows that Jesus and his blood is the new and living way, his flesh is the veil which we must pass through to enter into the Most Holy Place, and we can enter in because he did.
For christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us. He didn't enter into offer himself often as the priests did, but offered himself ONCE....check out hebrews 6:19
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
Hbr 6:19 Which [hope] we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
Hbr 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, [even] Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
He entered before us, that is why we can now enter in through his way into the Most Holy Place to appear in the presence of God through faith.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
I'm not mis-reading these passages my friend. They are blunt and to the point. Jesus is the new and living way that opened the way into the Most Holy Place and he entered in before us so that we might through him enter into the presence of the Father through his blood which he offered to the Father for us.
The Most Holy Place represented the dwelling place of God. it was most Holy because it was where God himself is. Christ himself entered the presence of God clearly and presented himself.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
This is why you can come before the Father through the name of Jesus. You can enter his presence THROUGH THE VEIL that is to say the flesh of Christ, he is the way by which we must enter, and we can enter because he already secured the way for us through his blood.
My friend, don't let yourself miss out on this truth. He has already offered himself for you, and has prepared the way for you to enter in, but if you don't believe that, I fear desperately for you.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
This was all secured 2000 years ago for you.
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim True, and I believe it! But what you've missed is that the entrance of Jesus into the Holiest in 1844 isn't to do with His sacrifice for us to enter the presence of God. Paul did not allude to the role the high priest on Yom Kippur after sprinkling the blood. Nor did he allude to Jesus' role as high priest in the Holy, with the incense, etc.
The sacrificial system wasn't just about the sacrifice, but what the high priest did for the people.
iMattCi89 4 months ago
@iMattCi89
My apologies, but the bible shows he went in before 1844. No one reading the bible alone would have ever come up with the sda conclusion.
Which is your authority, the authority by which you judge all standards of teaching? The bible? ellen white? or do you by some chance accept both as the same authority?
Myhopeisinhim 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim "the bible shows he went in before 1844" Yes, He did, and I believe that too. However, He went in as the bridge between God and Man with His sacrifice, not as the facilitator of the Day of Atonement. Look at Hebrews carefully. The only thing it mentions is the sacrifice; but no reflection on Yom Kippur itself. Yom Kippur had a different kind of atonement compared with the daily.
Yom Kippur wasn't just atonement for sin, but a time of judgment.
iMattCi89 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd 2} Jesus has already finished His role as the Lamb, fulfilling the sacrificial portions of the tabernacle figure. However, He was not done with His role as High Priest in the Holy. The high priest had more jobs than offering the sacrifice. ie. He finished all sacrificial roles in AD 31, but not ministerial roles.
iMattCi89 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd 3} Prophetically, the truth of sola scriptura was obscured, the showbread forgotten. The role of the Spirit in guiding us to truth was neglected, following popes instead; the candlesticks unlit. Jesus as our only Mediator bringing our prayers to God was substituted with veneration of saints and Mary; the incense snuffed. And all were about faith - restored by the Protestant Reformers.
iMattCi89 4 months ago 2
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd 4} My standard of doctrine is the Bible, the 28 Fundamental Beliefs indicate it. Ellen White was the guiding light to prepare for God's work. It did not supersede the Bible, but pointed out the principles in the Bible showing us how it applies to us today. That was how Ellen White viewed herself - not equal/above/below the Bible, but a messenger to the Bible's principles.
iMattCi89 4 months ago 2
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd 5} As for authority... there's no such thing as a degree of authority if the Spirit behind it is God's. Was Elijah more inspired than Daniel? No, they just had different roles. Both had the same authority because they both came in the authority of God.
iMattCi89 4 months ago 2
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd 6} Am I saying Ellen White's work is of the same importance as the Bible? Yes. Am I saying you'll be lost if you don't follow the counsels of Ellen White? No, it's the same as ignoring advice - you're free to do it, but at your own risk. Ellen White's role had little to do with doctrinal formation - when she did as God's messenger, she said "I was shown", which didn't happen as often as you think.
iMattCi89 4 months ago 3
@Myhopeisinhim As an after-thought to parts 4-6 of my response, have you read Patriarchs and Prophets or Steps to Christ? Because I can't help but notice that not a lot of people who listen to the critics have actually read these 2 books. Instead quoting bits here and there where the critics pointed out, never bothering to find out what kind of woman Ellen White was. Her love for Jesus was great, more so than the greats like Billy Graham; if you'd read those 2 books, it would be obvious.
iMattCi89 4 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd 2} Around 1844, the cleansing role of Yom Kippur took place. People became more aware of their sins. William Miller didn't preach about the year so much as the preparation of hearts. He was more concerned with people humbling their hearts to God and laying aside sins; this was the purpose of Yom Kippur.
Yom Kippur was to sift out who were willing to humble their hearts before God and forsake their sins. This isn't about His Sacrifice, but His role as Advocate.
iMattCi89 4 months ago
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@iMattCi89 Counsels on Diet and Food (1938) Pages 63-64, she directly describes that a vegetarian diet will be the "food for the tables for ALL who claim to be preparing for translation to Heaven" What logically follows (unless youre an SDA defending this phony prophet) is that if i am a meat eater, i am not preparing, nor will i be prepared for translation. And by the way it is YOU who are stumbling on EGW's definition of evil, sinced she used it in the context of Websters definition.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@NORCURONMAN Woah there. Her exact words were "should be the food for the tables" not "will be". There's a gigantic difference in that. In the rest of her works on diet reform, she has written that situation must always be taken into account. And by the way, I don't know why you'd balk at the idea of preparing in diet considering there's no meat-eating in heaven.
And no, it's you who's stumbling over it because, by Webster's definition:
"3a : causing harm "
iMattCi89 4 months ago
@iMattCi89 And by the way, your lame defence that, " Back then, "evil" was perfectly synonymous with just saying "not good for you", is a load of guano. You are taking her completely out of context with everything else she wrote on the subject. You sound like like a politician. Its understanable though, cult members HAVE to validate and defend their false prophet, or their whole belief system is proven a sham.
NORCURONMAN 4 months ago
@NORCURONMAN "your lame defence that,... is a load of guano"
Did you also know she wrote: "the wicked are gathering together as fagots for the fires of the last day"
To modern ears, she's classifying the wicked as homosexuals. But back then, they still freely used that word to mean sticks bundled together as fire kindle.
Still think it's lame? Vocabulary context must be taken into account.
iMattCi89 4 months ago
@NORCURONMAN
Rmember the 7 Churches are prophetic as Rev 1:3 says "Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy.
So contrary to what some claim, the 7 Churches are prophetic 7 symbolic, not literal.
Revelation 12 is a reiteration of the 7 Churches. The woman in Revelation 12 represents the Church at different stages in Church history & these are to be found in Rev 2/3
The woman in Rev 12:2 with 12 stars, AD 27
Offspring in Rev 12:17 with testimony of Jesus = 1844
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
You do realize EHW's wirting have contradicted bible scripture right?
zeratul1356 4 months ago
EGW* I mean
zeratul1356 4 months ago
@zeratul1356
Like I said, give us the answers. Its all too easy to critisize. You need to give us the alternative. What is your answer? If you say that E.G. White is a false prophetees, you've got to show us the way. God says "where there is no vison, the people perish"
You want to tell me that there is so much confusion in Christendom with 34,000 Churches & He hasn't intervened to show us the way? Surely you are not claiming that all is well in Christianity are you?
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago
@zeratul1356
God says "Where there is no vision, the people perish". What is the alternative? You mean there are 34,00 Churches & God has not intervened to show us the right way? You are not claiming that all is well in Christianity are you?
Its all too easy to critisize. Without providing the alternative, critisizing is aimless & doesn't have weight. SO? What is the alternative/ You can't just dismiss E.G. White as a false prophet & not tell us who the true one is.
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago
@zeratul1356
God says "Where there is no vision, the people perish". What is the alternative? You mean there are 34,00 Churches & God has not intervened to show us the right way? You are not claiming that all is well in Christianity are you?
Its all too easy to critisize. Without providing the alternative, critisizing is aimless & doesn't have weight. SO? What is the alternative/ You can't just dismiss E.G. White as a false prophet & not tell us who the true one is.
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
I can dismiss E.G White as a false prophet because her writings contradict the bible.And I, as a christain, uphold the Bible to be the ultimate truth of gods word, not the writings of a 19th century woman who claims to have visions.Guess what, Joseph Smith said he had visions of god too, then started up the mormon church.Many false prophets have claimed to be "the true follower of gods word".EGW is no different.
zeratul1356 4 months ago
@zeratul1356
So you are not offering up a tangible alternative? Just condemning E G White & not offering a solution to the very real problem in Christianity?
Are you saying that there is nothing wrong with the Christian religion today? So to you all these many many Churches are not a bad idea? Not confusing? Claiming to read the same Bible?
Solution please to a very real problem! They can't all have the truth. God must intervene to guide & direct us. SO? No true prophet?
PreparetomeetthyGod 4 months ago