I know this isn't going to be a popular comment, but I have to say it. The evolution of consciousness is part of the great deception that is happening all around you. Do not buy into it! Jesus is our only way out of this mess. I am not a dogmatic Christian... I was an atheist for most of my life, and I am obsessed with researching ancient esoteric knowledge, and I've gotten pretty deep into the occult stuff. You consciousness does not evolve. Don't buy into it. Resist this movement with Jesus.
Though I enjoyed the video aesthetically, it is about changes to culture and technology, not consciousness. The only thing that drives us is the survival sense. Our knowledge base has changed but the fundamental way we think has not. If it ever does stop being about survival, then we will no longer exist. The world is not advancing towards something wonderful, it's just constantly changing. Enjoy life for what it is or don't.
Have a good read of - "The Heaven's Declare: Astrological Ages and Evolution of Consciousness" By Alice O. Howell. She explains everything in easy to read detail and examples of history around the world. I couldn't put this book down. Best explainion ever of how all this works.
I hate when people make videos of just text. Why not just write the whole fucking thing down on a blog somewhere so people who can read faster than an 8 year old don't have to waste 5 minutes of their time?
evolution time people!!!!! greatest time in humanitys history,you all should be greatful to live in this period and not have FEAR because everything is changing for the better! i love you all my brothers and sisters we are uniting as one and we are truly going to know what it is to be divine.! its time for us all to take responsibility for our self and to stop the petty "i'm right your wrong" attitudes and to unite as one.
I wonder why music would be considered integral merely based on the text involving some integral stereotypes and the singer vaguely confessing adherence to the church of integralism by association with such stereotypes.
If music would be integral, it would have to show MUSICALLY. This here music is just same old same old "progressive" rock which is popular with greens but MUSCIALLY it is mythical, in the time honored tradition of baroque basso continuo =;)
@LooksAeterna ~ Interesting thoughts. I'm actually delighted to hear this articulation. A few years ago, when this was posted, there were never such insightful reflections. Seems stuff is changing in the noosphere. People come now with their own insights into what integral means. Well put sir. I still like Stu's music. :)
Respond to this video... I wonder, also what do you think an integral MUSIC would sound like? Would it be electronic, a mix-mash of mythic, mental, etc? How would one reverberate with the sound of, to put it in Geber's terms, Origin?
@thepathlesspath I think genius music is by its very genius post-rational. It uses the forms of its time but clearly is using the method as if he could have done that with any other method.
And as far as that goes, you might consider good old Johann Sebastian Bach as the ultimate and unsurpassed enlightened musician in both directions of the Wilber-Combs lattice. I am tempted to think he was God incarnate as musician, much like Y'shua as human.
But you cannot tell integral music by style criteria. In truth, music is probably a good example why simplistically upward models of development to not begin to adress the true unfathomable complexity of life. "G_d" ultimately will have nothing to do with this time-bound thrust into the future. Music foreshadows the ultimate DISintegration of the idea that time could lead to perfection.
Perfection is never IN time. This is why Bach died when he was about to manifest perfection.
" The transition from sensation to reason was one such step; the transition from reason to intuition will be another." - Meher Baba the unknown AVATAR of this age. Don't take my word or it, check him out and use your own discretion. Peace
what this theory says to me is 'middle and upper class' white man and Indian Brahman 'class' thinking themselves ever so evolved and superior than those considered promitive or akin to primitive. So it is just a carry on of social darwinism which believes some of us are more highly evolved than those 'below' us
if SO EXPLAIN THIS! /watch?v=FV9YJm9ECvY
and THIS! /watch?v=VE_qpx5Dxyo
Is this an example of the 'evolving of consciousness'??!
I'm finishing a 300 page book on how a deterministic describing of consciousness (neurobiological and biogeochemical approach) within all ranges of spaces would rely.
Cool and thought-provoking video -- only wish that Rudolf Steiner had been acknowledged as also having contributed significantly to our understanding of the stages/levels of consciousness... his work was extremely extensive and intuitive, and his theories are practiced, through Waldorf education, biodynamic agriculture, and many other consciousness-based practices in our world...
@luxuspeter But what if God only exists in the future, and for now and over the past thousands of years we've merely been working out the kinks in the theory and philosophy of God so that we can get it right when we actually do decide to and have the capability of creating him/her/it so that he/she/it will have the capability of saving our entire genetic history and the history of the world and preserve it in an eternal time bubble we could call "heaven." Just an idea.
Its difficult to see on this video, but the chart at 3:57 has the spiral colors on the developmental line second from the left.
They are almost the same as the spectral colors, substituting amber for the blue meme, and teal for the yellow meme.
SD has a different color code than the human chakra system although they nearly match up. They're just different systems, and being ok with that is a sign of second tier awareness ;)
The ROYGBIV spectra is presented at 3:57 in this clip.
However, Beck and Cowen originally devised the spiral colors having individual "me" memes with warm colors, and the alternating collective "us" memes with cool colors. Often individuals will ascend the spiral with emphasis on the "warm track", or the "cool track".
I'm not quite understanding how you corresponded each color to each level. Since we are talking about rise in human consciousness then I would assume the levels would be related to the human chakra system, in which case those colors are all wrong. ROYGBIV man
The colors are COMPLETELY random, intentionally so. I myself prefer the chakra colors, which remove the polarity between that and other systems of codified wisdom.
Further, the curve of the evolution of consciousness is an asymptote. As such, we are riding on a curved trajectory that is not only changing the sign of it's fundamental constant, it is also approaching an aspect of infinity.
All asymptotes approach infinitely close to the baseline, but never go over. What is needed to traverse that distance?
The ability to take a step into the "void". We do that by being creative in the expression of our spirit through our conscious awareness and intent.
To delve a bit deeper into the nature of this relationship, we see that the manifestation of our existence is vectorial.
Any vector can be described by it's direction (Intelligence), magnitude (will) and location (love). These three fundamental principles serve to establish our consciousness in a frame of reference that allows for the absolute identification of our persons.
We are what we do and what we do needs only depend upon the circumstances of the moment for each and every moment.
Well in those terms, yes, but I'm sure they're doing alot of *Face palms* whilst watching the others.... Still, though, I'm sure trans-dimensional bliss follows...
Excellent choice of music. I have experienced this movie uncountable times already and it has had a significant change on my life. Deep. Thank you @thepathlesspath.
HA! This proves religion is a phase in the development of human conciousness. There will be a fundamental truth that will be unvailed in the near future. Call it God or whatever you want. Our species have always labeled forces greater than our own by calling them Gods or Devils. Open your eyes, there's a whole new world out there people! It's just waiting for you to discover it.
Since everything is energy, all movements are constrained to perform and produce effects that conform to natural and "normal" (not typical) ethereal principles.
Good and evil, as polarities of being, are subjectively inferred preferences and not, per se, goals or objectives.
What is certainly great, is the creativity that must result from the provision of the energy potential that is extant and able to be manipulated by our psyches.
The sharing, intimately, between the sexes is certainly a start
Yes. But both sides of the big picture are primary. No default and no not default. The Whole that is reality, looks as if it is paradoxical, but only in a linear, dualistic translation method. I think there are at least 4 translation methods in a Big Picture Spectrum of Translation Methods of Consciousness -
1. Linear. Gross. Physical.
2. Circular/spherical. Subtle. Energy is matter is energy.
3. Point-like. One-pointed. Causal. Emptiness. Infinitely subtle, to be precise.
That is the mirror-symmetry of reality. It is comprised of the real and the unreal. All that is illusion conveys a sense of reality that has been subtly altered to keep us from realizing that which we are. That part of the plan keeps us forever searching for....ourselves.
The radial nature of existence is much like the synchrotron radiation that exits from partilcle under circular acceleration. As the rate of conscious evolution increases, we develop and emit those aspects of our understanding.
My mother had to eat food made from the Earth to create me in her womb. When I die Ill be buried or else wise returned to Earth. At which point did I stop being Earth? Furthermore If the Earth is a known point in the universe. I can suffice to say I am the Universe walking in and expieriencing the Universe. I refuse to beleive I am "just a human" walking around. A meatbag of sorts. NO! I AM the Universe. I can see the universe in my head. That is, what is REAL. Not "Reality".
Evolution of consciousness is less a force of nature than it is a dynamic of the state of awareness of the individual.
Over time (and time is the active principle because experience is time-dependent) as we become more aware and aware of more, we come to a critical mass of recognition. Our inherent ability to recognize patterns forces us dynamically to bring order out of chaos. This order manifests itself as the intelligence of our actions as they relate to our own well-being in that chaos.
An unfolding, a development, a progression or even an evolution. Our inherent perfection (the unity of the source as far as the undifferentiated energy of being is concerned) has been corrupted by the passage into and the effects of the materialization of our essence. Corruption just means mis-alignment. We are transceivers and as such must resynchronize ourselves with our reality. We achieve this, thru time, by experiencing, realizing and integrating all events that affect us.
No progress whatsoever to a final end state is assumed in this video, however. Intelligence pertains to the unfolding of human consciousness, and by intelligence, a series of 8 or more collective intelligences unfolding as stages of greater appreciation of complexity. This is not darwinian evolution, but developmental psychology on a collective level, of sorts, in this video. No end state, just unfolding, varications of complexity due to relative peace and harmony and regress-causing wars.
People believe lots of things. Are those beliefs warranted is the point.
Earth is NOT like an evolving organism. It doesn't replicate itself. It is not undergoing natural selection. Only the thin layer of biomass on the Earth is subject to the forces of natural selection.
Natural selection is a blind process. Reading anything else into it is magical thinking.
The biosphere appears to have undergone a process of increasingly rapid and complex evolution, blind or not. This in itself is interesting and open for interpretations and are not magical, by definition.
Evolution doesn't necessarily increase complexity. Sharks and other species have remained pretty unchanged for millions of years as they have reached an optimum for their environment. It isn't exponential.
Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations.
As for societies; when man walked on the moon there were still societies that hadn't developed past stone age tech.
Evolution doesn't necessitate an increase in complexity, but overall that is what has happened. There are niches and species which remain unchanging, but overall, the general process has allowed increased complexity and faster rates. Interpreting this, some believe it is an intelligent force guiding evolution, others simply believe it is just a natural law of the universe. Still others believe evolution has an intelligence, or -is- an intelligence itself. IE, earth is like an evolving organism.
I don't think it would be terribly inaccurate to view intelligence as something that is as self accumulating as mass is. Accretion turns small bodies into large ones. Larger intelligences seem to never be satisfied. They get more curious with each new tidbit.
(trippiness follows, read at your own risk) At some point the hunger leads to fattening the young ones to prime the 'new info pump" and this is the dawn of education and communication.
It's is easy to look back on evolution and impose a narrative. This seems to fall into the trap of looking at the nose and saying how well designed it is to hold up spectacles. There is no reason to think that the evolution of consciousness is any less a kludge than the evolution of the body.
Interesting, although the only scientific observation that is peculiar is the tendency for evolution to increase in complexity and rate of evolution over time (faster and faster, coupled with more variation). Evolution is exponential.... SD is just one way to take a look at the evolution of worldviews as they have become more complex.
I think it's kind of crazy that Maslow is pictured and mentioned, but that Clare W Graves is not. I mean, ... The model that is given here (Spiral Dynamics) is directly and literally descendant from his "Emergent Cyclical Levels of Existence Theory" (ECLET). See also: "The Never Ending Quest."
The universal principles of balance and that of refinement are not in conflict. That we choose to polarize their effects and separate them from our existence is a problem associated with our egos and its reliance on the rational intellect.
As we are exposed to more and more stimuli, we do not grow more so much as we avail ourselves of more of what we already have.
The involution allowed us to use the material plane to prepare for our continuing ethereal evolution. It is only a matter of being.
It's all matter of leaps not matter of continuity and both evolution and devolution can be even at the same time at any moment, anyone can see this in everyday life.
Cool, :) wasn't saying it was your opinion, just wanted to make sure no one drew that conclusion, as the term transpersonal states could imply such an understanding, and I know people who would.
Also, most of these stages don't relate to consciousness. Unless you mean something completely different by consciousness such as "belief", but I take consciousness to be that thing which dualists regard as seperate from matter, the realm of experience. That has nothing to do with beliefs in religion or recycling. Its evolution should be about how it evolved from conscious-less bacteria to animals that have experience and hence a consciousness.
Just did some research into Spiral Dynamics which slightly supported my last comment. This is about memes, not consciousness. Memes are "systems of core values", basically a set of beliefs or even practises.
Not memes but a related but different conceot vMemes. Value memes, not behavior memes as distinct from values, but the patter of the whole package, so to speak.
What a pointless question. Almost as pointless as "where does the universe come from". Since place and space is developed within the universe.
To the other guy who sees a cult. YOU see a cult. Everything is a cult, but you just toss around that word to do all the work for you, by stereotyping things based on your interpretation.
It's not a pointless question, I think you have misunderstood it. Place and space is nothing to do with consciousness, at least not in the way that we were talking about it, and that was my point earlier about language, use the word consciousness to talk about conscious experience not memes.
Also, not everything is a cult, that's ridiculous, it's clearly you that is tossing the word about, not me. By the way, your defensive reaction is also quite typical of cult members.
Let me tell you, how it tries to depict, besides the evolution of culture, in a ddition, cosciousness - for example people have consciousness developed and regressed somewhere towards transpersonal states and worldcentric moralities thereby.
Morality, just like any concept, is built out of our base phenomenological experiences, it is created thereof. Culture, I agree, creates and moulds concepts, but it does not create or affect the very elements that create concepts, which are those same elements that constitute consciousness. Not that this implies consciousness = concepts; the elements of consciousness are combined to form concepts, and culture affects that formation. But culture doesn't change the green I see or the pain I feel.
To that I agree. However, transpersonal states of consciousness are somewhat beyond concepts as we usually understand them. Dare I say, some forms of what are referred to as spiritual, mystical or religious experiences are forms of transpersonal states, but not all of them. These experiences are interpreted in accordance to one's worldview and center of gravity of the meme they are at. Culture of course doesn't change our experience itself, but it definitely does guide one's interpretation.
I ended agreeing to you. I agree that culture is a phenomenon that mostly is expressed in the second person, as in, interaction between people. While congnition and consciousness are the space in which we create and are created by culture.
I don't see how consciousness can be created by culture. I could have grown up in complete isolation from any other human and had no involvement with anything that we would recognise as culture, yet still have consciousness. Culture does indeed affect our interpretation of the world, but that is a very different statement from saying it affects how we phenomenologically perceive the world. While culture may cause me to associate green with envy, it doesn't change the "green" that I actually see
Then we agree. I'd retract this of my statements: "congnition and consciousness are the space in which we create and are created by culture." . . . I'll reprhaze that and say, culture is just one arena of the expressions of consciousness and it changes in ways that could be predicted. My previous statement didn't come out right. Indeed consciousness is the space and cognition is guided somewhat importantly by culture... just guided but definitely not determined, as the other side is change.
I'm happy with that, however, the development of culture, I think, is a mathematically chaotic process, and there are wild assumptions being made here. But most importantly, while culture needs consciousness to exist, its development has been independent of the development of consciousness. Culture only began when our consciousness was already well developed. Therefore describing the evolution of culture gives no insight into the evolution of consciousness which is what this clip is called.
I didn't notice the title, BTW. I am also disagreeing with the title - I think more precise would be that consciousness in its pure for just is, but structures that through emergence facilitate consciousness do indeed evolve. Consciousness is a 'result' of evolution. Now we agree completetly LOL.
That previous message was a reply to Silentbud420 and Nwildchild.
Also, I would like to ammend and clarify that post whilst criticising the clip. I'm sure consciousness evolved through stages, but it WAS present prior to the evolution of humankind, with increasing complexity. I disagree with the stages. Ego came before creativity, it's massivley important for survival and in much of creativity. Recognising (mistakenly) that you are an individual drastically increases your chances of survival
I love these video's and the thought's they possess but it is just a bunch of ideas with no evidence:) The 21st century hippies:) I challenge anyone to prove me wrong when I say it is just an idea I want to see your evidence and do not tell me about the pope
Story of your life. Please introspect your thoughts, they describe more about you than the mystery you seek. I am not a pre columbian meso american shaman, so I can not tell you where they got it from to carve it into stone.
There is tons of evidence for Spiral Dynamics. In fact this theory is so practical that it was applied to end Apartheid in South America, or at least it was used by Don Beck to guide the changes needed in attitudes and actions. Spiral Dynamics is not a religious ideal, it is a valid and applicable theory of human development , and you should Google it, before misrepresenting it.
Because most macro perspectives (at grreen, orange and blue level as they are) are actually 'meso' and 'micro' perspectives applied to either micro, macro or meso perspectives, and therefore they don't nail it. :)
Thanks for being forthcoming. No, you didn't offend me. It's just that you misrepresent what is being said in this video. Granted, this video is of not much theoretical detail, when it comes to the presentation of the theory on which it is based, namely Spiral Dynamics. You should check it out on the internetss.. I'm not a hippie who takes everything to heart, apparently. If there is anything unclear about Spiral Dynamics, all you need to do is ask. Collective inquiry is at an all time low. :)
Oh and to be specific - Spiral Dynamics is a psychological and cultural framework based on Clare W. Grave's theories on human development. I don't think the jump to an integral world view is any greater leap than the previous leaps. Though, temporally speaking, there is an exponentiality to the enfolding of the vMEMEs.
Oh, and to be even more specific - Spiral Dynamics is not a theory, but it is a framework/model of psychological development, based on the research of theories of Graves. The same way, Wilber's AQAL is as much a metatheory as it is a map/model/framework. I have a feeling that Wilber doesn't have as good a grasp of Graves' SD theories as Chris Cowan has.
at the highest level, nothing will change as long as duality exists. once everything becomes one again, definition is no longer possible. everyone is holding on to something, the truth is to let go and everything will be as it should. consider that our lives are nothing but an observational system for whatever created everything. you can create everything and still not know what it is.
i don't think evolution will stop after humanity has reached the 7th level. it will go on, cos isn't it true that each time humanity was about to enter a new age of consiousness they thought they were at the end of the line? the line does not end
Nice video. Have you considered that we are still essentially driven by ego and power though? Today, we are driven by profits and economics, which are just a different but still egocentric mindset. In politics and in our culture, the quest for profit tops everything. Also, strictly speaking, everything we can do as humans is controlled by biology & thus evolution. Our physical ability to be spiritual is limited by the evolution of our brain. There isn't really a rigid disconnect between them.
There is emerging and has been emerging transpersonal motivations... For example a profound desire to end the suffering of all beings and to increase the well being of all beings by doing hard work (this is present among religious and nonreligious people of course).
There's a big risk here that people are going to make wild unsupported assumptions. The increase in the desire to end all suffering (which is a meme) is simply due to the increase in global discussions on morality, not because there is some single platonic belief that we are all experiencing due to some unifying consciousness that we are all a part of. In fact everyone has their own distinct and different belief re. suffering, they are similar, but distinct and personal.
The question is, jamesia13, are YOU driven solely by power and economics? I guess not. Though most people like you and me directly depend on the success of power and economics. There has got to be a positive change coming from somewhere. Might as well be from the applications of Spiral Dynamics that are already taking place.
Because our survival is dependent on profit, we must support its growth, regardless of our support of its egocentric model. I mean, we are forced to support it, or die. Capitalism is fairly aggressive, and somewhat fascist in nature.
i'm all for hallucinogenic drug use,but you really don't need to cling on to this shit so tightly. be a nice person.there you go,it's really not that hard.
No, it is not the Timothy Leary eight circuit consciousness model that most scientists disagree with. Though it could be correlated with it. Spiral Dynamics is applied to world problems with largely sucessful results, for example Apartheid was brought to its knees due to the utility of Spiral Dynamics, or at least partially because of it.
2012, suddenly we become genetically aware of the destructive course our leaders have put us on. Those unable to comprehend will perish before their TV-sets while the rest reach enlightement.
yeah, and the change might become recognizable by 2012 (since it's the prophesized end of the world as we know it). My point was that the fact that billions of people are trapped inside the capitalist/consumerism dream world today regarded as reality will be a massive stir up, chaos! anarchy! change! peace! I can't wait.
The fact that the very stuff this world is made of "matter"is temporary in form "always changing" birth, decay, Reflects the reality that even if you get your perfect world it will be temporarily enjoyed as decay death etc.. are reality here. true progress is transcendence, freedom from that which is temporary & illusion namely this world, body, an all its attachments this world is ment to be the way it is those born here are rightly situated if you want perfection go back home to vaikauntha BTG
matter dosent exist....only consiousness which creates our universe..we are consiousness..we create the universe.. ego is an illusion, to make heaven on earth we have to relize that collectivly (since we are all one)
Consciousness existed before the Big Bang, and the big bang is what created the matter in our universe. Consciousness made the big bang happen, something had to. Thought id add on...
I would just like to disagree. Silentbud420 I feel is closer. I totally accept external world scepticism, I only know that myself and my experiences exist but I don't see any reason to give such primacy to consciousness.
I believe an undivided universe with the potential for consciousness evolved to create humans with complex consciousness that created the illusion of a divided universe with "objects". It didn't however create the underlying reality.
I was thinking about it as well, and I take it back. I was talking with Carl Calleman and he made my thoghts differ a bit... I believe the universe purpose is to develop consciousness, Every religion, from norse, buddhism, the chinese dragon, hebrew, they all speak of 9 levels, or 9 stages, or in norse how odin hung himself on the ash tree for 9 days to learn the runes. This is the 9 levels on the mayan pyramid/calendar, each a new consciousness
It could happen, but the most likely scenario is that I will stay up till midnight on Dec 21, 2012 and then fall asleep, wake up the next day and laugh a little. It's good you make predictions (sort of) but a good solid argument won't be found until 2012 (or not). It's still better than listening to young earth creationist, uehhwuuhwehwu, I just felt a cold chill go up my spine! :)
scienceminded - Sadly, while I fully embrace the concept of the "Evolution of Consciousness", I must agree with your inference here. I feel the importance of our evolution is in living NOW, and not waiting for a future date. Awareness/Enlightenment happens NOW. Science & Spirit are eternally entangled in harmony. Evenso, 2012 may well be remarkable. How? I don't know.
what I'm saying is that I find it highly unlikely that we can know these kinds of things without a basic understanding of the forces or reasons behind them. The source off much of the speculation is simple ignorance to the true natural cause of phenomenon, today we have the same ignorance but about different things, the pattern is natural, not a personified reality. I don't believe we have a soul, spirit is a level that is unnecessary to the development of thought, morality and consciousness.
If 2012 is anything like previous Mayan predictions, it will happen much more naturally. For instance, one of the last returns of quetzalcoatl happened on the same day Cortes landed in Mexico. The time after was of course a complete shift in their way of life, and an end of an empire. Just a thought. (See Pinchbeck)
It could be coincidence, but the prophecy was made hundreds of years before about a "White skinned" god. Of course this isn't some scientific hypothesis, didn't say it was either. Just exploring possibilities. At any rate, this video is not about 2012.
Yes that is true, but people tend to glomb the end of a galactic cycle to the entering of your so called universal stage. See the below comment by rainmaker11, it has seemed to me the emphatic belief has always been met with disappointments all but a rare blue moon. To say that culture develops is not a stretch but it seems to employ a lot of pseudo anthropomorphic quality to life and our development or smoke and mirrors guised in quantum physics or meta-physicians that have faded to obscurity.
awsome...the mayans portray the same concept in a 9 step pyramid...we are currently in the galactic stage of consciousness...2012 begins the universal stage...cant wait...dec 21 to be exact...the sun will shine in the darkest place of our galaxy for the first time in 27000 years...same exact day.
Go have and out of body travel and see the light No faith required,seeing is beleiving
illuminatedgirl 1 month ago
I know this isn't going to be a popular comment, but I have to say it. The evolution of consciousness is part of the great deception that is happening all around you. Do not buy into it! Jesus is our only way out of this mess. I am not a dogmatic Christian... I was an atheist for most of my life, and I am obsessed with researching ancient esoteric knowledge, and I've gotten pretty deep into the occult stuff. You consciousness does not evolve. Don't buy into it. Resist this movement with Jesus.
3rdEyeVu 4 months ago
Though I enjoyed the video aesthetically, it is about changes to culture and technology, not consciousness. The only thing that drives us is the survival sense. Our knowledge base has changed but the fundamental way we think has not. If it ever does stop being about survival, then we will no longer exist. The world is not advancing towards something wonderful, it's just constantly changing. Enjoy life for what it is or don't.
muphart 4 months ago
Where can I find a copy of that graph at 3:58?
AutumnKitten 5 months ago
@AutumnKitten nevermind, found it.
AutumnKitten 5 months ago
Have a good read of - "The Heaven's Declare: Astrological Ages and Evolution of Consciousness" By Alice O. Howell. She explains everything in easy to read detail and examples of history around the world. I couldn't put this book down. Best explainion ever of how all this works.
AutumnKitten 5 months ago
goede muziek kun je niet altyd opschrijven !
rinotrip 8 months ago
I thought this video was about how conciousness could have evolved from the gases and energy present in the early universe. I am dissapointed
MythicH31 8 months ago
greatings for this...hehehe
lowrider692 10 months ago
I hate when people make videos of just text. Why not just write the whole fucking thing down on a blog somewhere so people who can read faster than an 8 year old don't have to waste 5 minutes of their time?
hecktate 10 months ago
@hecktate ... need a hug?
thepathlesspath 10 months ago 4
@thepathlesspath No I need some of my time back
hecktate 10 months ago
@thepathlesspath Think you could get the Mayans to magic me up the 5 minutes it took you to go through 30 seconds of text?
hecktate 10 months ago
evolution time people!!!!! greatest time in humanitys history,you all should be greatful to live in this period and not have FEAR because everything is changing for the better! i love you all my brothers and sisters we are uniting as one and we are truly going to know what it is to be divine.! its time for us all to take responsibility for our self and to stop the petty "i'm right your wrong" attitudes and to unite as one.
jaggerofgy 11 months ago
I wonder why music would be considered integral merely based on the text involving some integral stereotypes and the singer vaguely confessing adherence to the church of integralism by association with such stereotypes.
If music would be integral, it would have to show MUSICALLY. This here music is just same old same old "progressive" rock which is popular with greens but MUSCIALLY it is mythical, in the time honored tradition of baroque basso continuo =;)
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
@LooksAeterna ~ Interesting thoughts. I'm actually delighted to hear this articulation. A few years ago, when this was posted, there were never such insightful reflections. Seems stuff is changing in the noosphere. People come now with their own insights into what integral means. Well put sir. I still like Stu's music. :)
thepathlesspath 1 year ago
Respond to this video... I wonder, also what do you think an integral MUSIC would sound like? Would it be electronic, a mix-mash of mythic, mental, etc? How would one reverberate with the sound of, to put it in Geber's terms, Origin?
thepathlesspath 1 year ago
@thepathlesspath I think genius music is by its very genius post-rational. It uses the forms of its time but clearly is using the method as if he could have done that with any other method.
And as far as that goes, you might consider good old Johann Sebastian Bach as the ultimate and unsurpassed enlightened musician in both directions of the Wilber-Combs lattice. I am tempted to think he was God incarnate as musician, much like Y'shua as human.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
(contd.)
But you cannot tell integral music by style criteria. In truth, music is probably a good example why simplistically upward models of development to not begin to adress the true unfathomable complexity of life. "G_d" ultimately will have nothing to do with this time-bound thrust into the future. Music foreshadows the ultimate DISintegration of the idea that time could lead to perfection.
Perfection is never IN time. This is why Bach died when he was about to manifest perfection.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
" The transition from sensation to reason was one such step; the transition from reason to intuition will be another." - Meher Baba the unknown AVATAR of this age. Don't take my word or it, check him out and use your own discretion. Peace
soldatheero 1 year ago
what this theory says to me is 'middle and upper class' white man and Indian Brahman 'class' thinking themselves ever so evolved and superior than those considered promitive or akin to primitive. So it is just a carry on of social darwinism which believes some of us are more highly evolved than those 'below' us
if SO EXPLAIN THIS! /watch?v=FV9YJm9ECvY
and THIS! /watch?v=VE_qpx5Dxyo
Is this an example of the 'evolving of consciousness'??!
zezt 1 year ago
I like this:)
joezjoezjoez1 1 year ago
pico pal q lee
nicolas0100 1 year ago
Consciousness IS biological.
KingMe1220 1 year ago
I'm finishing a 300 page book on how a deterministic describing of consciousness (neurobiological and biogeochemical approach) within all ranges of spaces would rely.
StefanMarkovski 1 year ago
Cool and thought-provoking video -- only wish that Rudolf Steiner had been acknowledged as also having contributed significantly to our understanding of the stages/levels of consciousness... his work was extremely extensive and intuitive, and his theories are practiced, through Waldorf education, biodynamic agriculture, and many other consciousness-based practices in our world...
Prairiewind2Pam 1 year ago
Great videos...
Thanks!
hermesilluminati 1 year ago
@luxuspeter But what if God only exists in the future, and for now and over the past thousands of years we've merely been working out the kinks in the theory and philosophy of God so that we can get it right when we actually do decide to and have the capability of creating him/her/it so that he/she/it will have the capability of saving our entire genetic history and the history of the world and preserve it in an eternal time bubble we could call "heaven." Just an idea.
seanotube85 1 year ago
God and Consciousness
Can a Rational Individual believe in God ?
In other words:
Can God be atheist, governed by scientific laws?
Of course
Because, if God exists, he must work in Absolute
Reference Frame and have a set of Physical/ Mathematical laws to create everything
And if we find this Gods Absolute House then we can understand Cods Physical Laws
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
socratus1 1 year ago
great video. great explanation of spiral dynamics. great song by stuart davis.
cienciadeconciencia 1 year ago
Very good, cool music. Ill try to explore those philosophers. Greetings.
josemanuelsalgado 1 year ago
Follow up to my last post.
Its difficult to see on this video, but the chart at 3:57 has the spiral colors on the developmental line second from the left.
They are almost the same as the spectral colors, substituting amber for the blue meme, and teal for the yellow meme.
SD has a different color code than the human chakra system although they nearly match up. They're just different systems, and being ok with that is a sign of second tier awareness ;)
danielcrosser 2 years ago
ARkatze,
The ROYGBIV spectra is presented at 3:57 in this clip.
However, Beck and Cowen originally devised the spiral colors having individual "me" memes with warm colors, and the alternating collective "us" memes with cool colors. Often individuals will ascend the spiral with emphasis on the "warm track", or the "cool track".
danielcrosser 2 years ago
here comes Life.
wolffenhaus 2 years ago
I'm not quite understanding how you corresponded each color to each level. Since we are talking about rise in human consciousness then I would assume the levels would be related to the human chakra system, in which case those colors are all wrong. ROYGBIV man
ARkatze 2 years ago
Hes referring to Ken Wilber's system. Similar concept.
Glass2007 2 years ago
The colors are COMPLETELY random, intentionally so. I myself prefer the chakra colors, which remove the polarity between that and other systems of codified wisdom.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
For some reason, one can see from one's face, whether or not some one is in integral awareness, ect. Bashar has that same crispness to him.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Watch it.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Bull yAAA.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
thanks for this video
Rsagt 2 years ago
what song is this?
1humanbean1 2 years ago
Smoke by Stuart Davis.
thepathlesspath 2 years ago
excelent video!! , smoke ; deeper music, just great!!
aaafterglow 2 years ago
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I believe in a simplified version:
1) tribal societies- the emergence of mind, imagination, thought (PISCES)
2) vikings, sparta, etc Power drives, conquering attitude (ARIES)
3) 1800 england, etc Reason (TAURUS)
4) from reason comes plenitude of knowledge (GEMINI)
i believe we are at the end of the age of gemini. (levels you mentioned after this stage seemed to lack justification)
nomanea 2 years ago
Integral level is indeed only in the head and sometimes in organizatory paradigms and new takes on education.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
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nomanea 2 years ago
Best Spiral/Evolution Dynamics music video ever!
SlimD11 2 years ago 2
stateless state, this mystery turns us into smoke, weightless weight, this mystery turns us into smoke, gateless gate. . . .
unconsumed 2 years ago
gate gate para gate
MaBu888 2 years ago
Further, the curve of the evolution of consciousness is an asymptote. As such, we are riding on a curved trajectory that is not only changing the sign of it's fundamental constant, it is also approaching an aspect of infinity.
All asymptotes approach infinitely close to the baseline, but never go over. What is needed to traverse that distance?
The ability to take a step into the "void". We do that by being creative in the expression of our spirit through our conscious awareness and intent.
Sueezedtight 2 years ago
To delve a bit deeper into the nature of this relationship, we see that the manifestation of our existence is vectorial.
Any vector can be described by it's direction (Intelligence), magnitude (will) and location (love). These three fundamental principles serve to establish our consciousness in a frame of reference that allows for the absolute identification of our persons.
We are what we do and what we do needs only depend upon the circumstances of the moment for each and every moment.
Sueezedtight 2 years ago
Radial... in all dimensions. 5th and beyond.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Well in those terms, yes, but I'm sure they're doing alot of *Face palms* whilst watching the others.... Still, though, I'm sure trans-dimensional bliss follows...
thepathlesspath 2 years ago
I'm doing facepalms right now. :) Kidding.
MaBu888 2 years ago
Excellent choice of music. I have experienced this movie uncountable times already and it has had a significant change on my life. Deep. Thank you @thepathlesspath.
in lakesh
11hunabku11 2 years ago
:) Deeply grateful that this was so helpful to you! Your welcome!
thepathlesspath 2 years ago
Eeny meme, meany mine emo?
anthrop0phobe 2 years ago
Emaho!
thepathlesspath 2 years ago
HA! This proves religion is a phase in the development of human conciousness. There will be a fundamental truth that will be unvailed in the near future. Call it God or whatever you want. Our species have always labeled forces greater than our own by calling them Gods or Devils. Open your eyes, there's a whole new world out there people! It's just waiting for you to discover it.
SlimD11 2 years ago
Yes, It's just waiting for us to disc over it. :) Or disc cover. I prefer disc over
MaBu888 2 years ago
Since everything is energy, all movements are constrained to perform and produce effects that conform to natural and "normal" (not typical) ethereal principles.
Good and evil, as polarities of being, are subjectively inferred preferences and not, per se, goals or objectives.
What is certainly great, is the creativity that must result from the provision of the energy potential that is extant and able to be manipulated by our psyches.
The sharing, intimately, between the sexes is certainly a start
Sueezedtight 2 years ago
Intimate sharing between the sexes is so damn sexy.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Love is just the cross product of respect/affection/fidelity so even with the messy bits, it is useful as well as enjoyable...
;-)
When we get lost in the details, it is often good to take a step back, refresh our perspective and get a look at the big picture.
That is one of the reasons that we are here, after all.
Sueezedtight 2 years ago
Yes. But both sides of the big picture are primary. No default and no not default. The Whole that is reality, looks as if it is paradoxical, but only in a linear, dualistic translation method. I think there are at least 4 translation methods in a Big Picture Spectrum of Translation Methods of Consciousness -
1. Linear. Gross. Physical.
2. Circular/spherical. Subtle. Energy is matter is energy.
3. Point-like. One-pointed. Causal. Emptiness. Infinitely subtle, to be precise.
4. Nondual.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Nice list... I think we're acting out of 1, learning about 2 and in the fringe, playing with 3...
While the folks from 4 are looking at everybody else, from the corner.
thepathlesspath 2 years ago
In dynamically trans-lated terms, once in the nondual, it gets radial. :)
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
That is the mirror-symmetry of reality. It is comprised of the real and the unreal. All that is illusion conveys a sense of reality that has been subtly altered to keep us from realizing that which we are. That part of the plan keeps us forever searching for....ourselves.
The radial nature of existence is much like the synchrotron radiation that exits from partilcle under circular acceleration. As the rate of conscious evolution increases, we develop and emit those aspects of our understanding.
Sueezedtight 2 years ago
I'm 1PostPoMoMan1. I think you are Absolutely correct.
MaBu888 2 years ago
@1PostPoMoMaN1 Hey my friend... your comments are everywhere haha! Keep running into you. ;) Thanks for all the PM's.. will come back to you later..
11hunabku11 1 year ago
Music is really great.
11hunabku11 2 years ago
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paryan117 2 years ago
This notion itself is not criticized in this video. One can take the perspective of Spirit - that is assumed.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
friedfrawg. Really Well put. I like it.
InbredRengade 2 years ago
amazing song, anybody know the aRTist?
Volv093t 2 years ago
-Stuart Davis.
thepathlesspath 2 years ago
My mother had to eat food made from the Earth to create me in her womb. When I die Ill be buried or else wise returned to Earth. At which point did I stop being Earth? Furthermore If the Earth is a known point in the universe. I can suffice to say I am the Universe walking in and expieriencing the Universe. I refuse to beleive I am "just a human" walking around. A meatbag of sorts. NO! I AM the Universe. I can see the universe in my head. That is, what is REAL. Not "Reality".
E=MC2
friedfrawg 2 years ago 5
Oh, well reality is what we are too. All different ways for the universe to look at itself, wonder, and evolve,
thepathlesspath 2 years ago
Reality is a matrix. Matrix is an illusion. Big mental construct.
11hunabku11 2 years ago
Yes, but with a very definite purpose. Do you remember?
thenewmyth 2 years ago
@friedfrawg I AM the Universe too. So you are me and I am you. Inlakesh!
11hunabku11 1 year ago
powerful music!!!!!!!!! blessings....
marclab1 2 years ago
I'm sorry nice vid, but I can't help but notice the Albanian flag at 1:10-1:14. :P
b2flyxballer 2 years ago
Evolution of consciousness is less a force of nature than it is a dynamic of the state of awareness of the individual.
Over time (and time is the active principle because experience is time-dependent) as we become more aware and aware of more, we come to a critical mass of recognition. Our inherent ability to recognize patterns forces us dynamically to bring order out of chaos. This order manifests itself as the intelligence of our actions as they relate to our own well-being in that chaos.
Sueezedtight 3 years ago
As accurate as this video.
MaBu888 2 years ago
An unfolding, a development, a progression or even an evolution. Our inherent perfection (the unity of the source as far as the undifferentiated energy of being is concerned) has been corrupted by the passage into and the effects of the materialization of our essence. Corruption just means mis-alignment. We are transceivers and as such must resynchronize ourselves with our reality. We achieve this, thru time, by experiencing, realizing and integrating all events that affect us.
We are ourselves.
Sueezedtight 2 years ago
If guided development takes into account the very nature of It, then great good can be manifested and nannyfested.
MaBu888 2 years ago
I can agree with you that evolution is fascinating and an endless source of wonder.
I just don't see any evidence for intelligence in the process itself nor an inexorable march towards progress.
I'll happily reassess that if there is ever any good evidence to the contrary.
Apashiol 3 years ago
No progress whatsoever to a final end state is assumed in this video, however. Intelligence pertains to the unfolding of human consciousness, and by intelligence, a series of 8 or more collective intelligences unfolding as stages of greater appreciation of complexity. This is not darwinian evolution, but developmental psychology on a collective level, of sorts, in this video. No end state, just unfolding, varications of complexity due to relative peace and harmony and regress-causing wars.
MaBu888 2 years ago
People believe lots of things. Are those beliefs warranted is the point.
Earth is NOT like an evolving organism. It doesn't replicate itself. It is not undergoing natural selection. Only the thin layer of biomass on the Earth is subject to the forces of natural selection.
Natural selection is a blind process. Reading anything else into it is magical thinking.
Apashiol 3 years ago
The biosphere appears to have undergone a process of increasingly rapid and complex evolution, blind or not. This in itself is interesting and open for interpretations and are not magical, by definition.
thepathlesspath 3 years ago
Evolution doesn't necessarily increase complexity. Sharks and other species have remained pretty unchanged for millions of years as they have reached an optimum for their environment. It isn't exponential.
Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations.
As for societies; when man walked on the moon there were still societies that hadn't developed past stone age tech.
It is NOT teleological.
There is no intelligent force driving evolution.
Apashiol 3 years ago
Evolution doesn't necessitate an increase in complexity, but overall that is what has happened. There are niches and species which remain unchanging, but overall, the general process has allowed increased complexity and faster rates. Interpreting this, some believe it is an intelligent force guiding evolution, others simply believe it is just a natural law of the universe. Still others believe evolution has an intelligence, or -is- an intelligence itself. IE, earth is like an evolving organism.
thepathlesspath 3 years ago
I don't think it would be terribly inaccurate to view intelligence as something that is as self accumulating as mass is. Accretion turns small bodies into large ones. Larger intelligences seem to never be satisfied. They get more curious with each new tidbit.
(trippiness follows, read at your own risk) At some point the hunger leads to fattening the young ones to prime the 'new info pump" and this is the dawn of education and communication.
Is intelligence self aggregating?
damianpoirier 2 years ago 2
i like the "trippiness". you tripped me way out.
thanks
jhamain
hi journik
jhamain 2 years ago
/me smiles
damianpoirier 2 years ago
It's is easy to look back on evolution and impose a narrative. This seems to fall into the trap of looking at the nose and saying how well designed it is to hold up spectacles. There is no reason to think that the evolution of consciousness is any less a kludge than the evolution of the body.
Apashiol 3 years ago
Interesting, although the only scientific observation that is peculiar is the tendency for evolution to increase in complexity and rate of evolution over time (faster and faster, coupled with more variation). Evolution is exponential.... SD is just one way to take a look at the evolution of worldviews as they have become more complex.
thepathlesspath 3 years ago
I think it's kind of crazy that Maslow is pictured and mentioned, but that Clare W Graves is not. I mean, ... The model that is given here (Spiral Dynamics) is directly and literally descendant from his "Emergent Cyclical Levels of Existence Theory" (ECLET). See also: "The Never Ending Quest."
LionKimbro 3 years ago 2
I noticed that too.
MaBu888 3 years ago
The universal principles of balance and that of refinement are not in conflict. That we choose to polarize their effects and separate them from our existence is a problem associated with our egos and its reliance on the rational intellect.
As we are exposed to more and more stimuli, we do not grow more so much as we avail ourselves of more of what we already have.
The involution allowed us to use the material plane to prepare for our continuing ethereal evolution. It is only a matter of being.
Sueezedtight 3 years ago
It's all matter of leaps not matter of continuity and both evolution and devolution can be even at the same time at any moment, anyone can see this in everyday life.
aryadeva 3 years ago
Cool, :) wasn't saying it was your opinion, just wanted to make sure no one drew that conclusion, as the term transpersonal states could imply such an understanding, and I know people who would.
tjsk8ta 3 years ago
No afraid not, just a lot of this Mayan stuff, which the more I learn seems more and more like a cult. Shame...
tjsk8ta 3 years ago
I too think that the mayan stuff is complete craziness...
MaBu888 3 years ago
Also, most of these stages don't relate to consciousness. Unless you mean something completely different by consciousness such as "belief", but I take consciousness to be that thing which dualists regard as seperate from matter, the realm of experience. That has nothing to do with beliefs in religion or recycling. Its evolution should be about how it evolved from conscious-less bacteria to animals that have experience and hence a consciousness.
Asked another way: Where do colours come from?
tjsk8ta 3 years ago 2
Just did some research into Spiral Dynamics which slightly supported my last comment. This is about memes, not consciousness. Memes are "systems of core values", basically a set of beliefs or even practises.
Examples "include thoughts, ideas, theories, practices, habits, songs, dances and moods".
The evolution of songs and dances is not an evolution of consciousness.
You can use words to mean whatever you want them to mean, but I find the title of this clip misleading.
tjsk8ta 3 years ago 2
Not memes but a related but different conceot vMemes. Value memes, not behavior memes as distinct from values, but the patter of the whole package, so to speak.
MaBu888 2 years ago
yeah that's what I was looking for, had any luck finding something on the, shall we say, origins of consciousness.
mooxim 3 years ago
What a pointless question. Almost as pointless as "where does the universe come from". Since place and space is developed within the universe.
To the other guy who sees a cult. YOU see a cult. Everything is a cult, but you just toss around that word to do all the work for you, by stereotyping things based on your interpretation.
Nwildchild 3 years ago
It's not a pointless question, I think you have misunderstood it. Place and space is nothing to do with consciousness, at least not in the way that we were talking about it, and that was my point earlier about language, use the word consciousness to talk about conscious experience not memes.
Also, not everything is a cult, that's ridiculous, it's clearly you that is tossing the word about, not me. By the way, your defensive reaction is also quite typical of cult members.
tjsk8ta 3 years ago
Let me tell you, how it tries to depict, besides the evolution of culture, in a ddition, cosciousness - for example people have consciousness developed and regressed somewhere towards transpersonal states and worldcentric moralities thereby.
MaBu888 3 years ago
Morality, just like any concept, is built out of our base phenomenological experiences, it is created thereof. Culture, I agree, creates and moulds concepts, but it does not create or affect the very elements that create concepts, which are those same elements that constitute consciousness. Not that this implies consciousness = concepts; the elements of consciousness are combined to form concepts, and culture affects that formation. But culture doesn't change the green I see or the pain I feel.
tjsk8ta 3 years ago
To that I agree. However, transpersonal states of consciousness are somewhat beyond concepts as we usually understand them. Dare I say, some forms of what are referred to as spiritual, mystical or religious experiences are forms of transpersonal states, but not all of them. These experiences are interpreted in accordance to one's worldview and center of gravity of the meme they are at. Culture of course doesn't change our experience itself, but it definitely does guide one's interpretation.
MaBu888 3 years ago
I ended agreeing to you. I agree that culture is a phenomenon that mostly is expressed in the second person, as in, interaction between people. While congnition and consciousness are the space in which we create and are created by culture.
MaBu888 3 years ago
I don't see how consciousness can be created by culture. I could have grown up in complete isolation from any other human and had no involvement with anything that we would recognise as culture, yet still have consciousness. Culture does indeed affect our interpretation of the world, but that is a very different statement from saying it affects how we phenomenologically perceive the world. While culture may cause me to associate green with envy, it doesn't change the "green" that I actually see
tjsk8ta 3 years ago
Then we agree. I'd retract this of my statements: "congnition and consciousness are the space in which we create and are created by culture." . . . I'll reprhaze that and say, culture is just one arena of the expressions of consciousness and it changes in ways that could be predicted. My previous statement didn't come out right. Indeed consciousness is the space and cognition is guided somewhat importantly by culture... just guided but definitely not determined, as the other side is change.
MaBu888 3 years ago
I'm happy with that, however, the development of culture, I think, is a mathematically chaotic process, and there are wild assumptions being made here. But most importantly, while culture needs consciousness to exist, its development has been independent of the development of consciousness. Culture only began when our consciousness was already well developed. Therefore describing the evolution of culture gives no insight into the evolution of consciousness which is what this clip is called.
tjsk8ta 3 years ago
I didn't notice the title, BTW. I am also disagreeing with the title - I think more precise would be that consciousness in its pure for just is, but structures that through emergence facilitate consciousness do indeed evolve. Consciousness is a 'result' of evolution. Now we agree completetly LOL.
MaBu888 3 years ago
That previous message was a reply to Silentbud420 and Nwildchild.
Also, I would like to ammend and clarify that post whilst criticising the clip. I'm sure consciousness evolved through stages, but it WAS present prior to the evolution of humankind, with increasing complexity. I disagree with the stages. Ego came before creativity, it's massivley important for survival and in much of creativity. Recognising (mistakenly) that you are an individual drastically increases your chances of survival
tjsk8ta 3 years ago
I love these video's and the thought's they possess but it is just a bunch of ideas with no evidence:) The 21st century hippies:) I challenge anyone to prove me wrong when I say it is just an idea I want to see your evidence and do not tell me about the pope
Reido2828 3 years ago
Story of your life. Please introspect your thoughts, they describe more about you than the mystery you seek. I am not a pre columbian meso american shaman, so I can not tell you where they got it from to carve it into stone.
Nwildchild 3 years ago
I think you're just burrying all the other methods under your proverbial dirt - introspection is not much at all, even though, it's important.
MaBu888 3 years ago
As for this video being New Age bullshuit, I'm not sure, but a very small part of it is New Age bullshit.
MaBu888 3 years ago
There is tons of evidence for Spiral Dynamics. In fact this theory is so practical that it was applied to end Apartheid in South America, or at least it was used by Don Beck to guide the changes needed in attitudes and actions. Spiral Dynamics is not a religious ideal, it is a valid and applicable theory of human development , and you should Google it, before misrepresenting it.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Well said, sir. Well said. The interesting thing about it is that it is such a "macro" perspective sometimes people overlook its usefulness.
thepathlesspath 2 years ago
Because most macro perspectives (at grreen, orange and blue level as they are) are actually 'meso' and 'micro' perspectives applied to either micro, macro or meso perspectives, and therefore they don't nail it. :)
MaBu888 2 years ago
Forgive me. I do not remember what I said. Did I offend you?
Reido2828 2 years ago
Thanks for being forthcoming. No, you didn't offend me. It's just that you misrepresent what is being said in this video. Granted, this video is of not much theoretical detail, when it comes to the presentation of the theory on which it is based, namely Spiral Dynamics. You should check it out on the internetss.. I'm not a hippie who takes everything to heart, apparently. If there is anything unclear about Spiral Dynamics, all you need to do is ask. Collective inquiry is at an all time low. :)
MaBu888 2 years ago
Oh and to be specific - Spiral Dynamics is a psychological and cultural framework based on Clare W. Grave's theories on human development. I don't think the jump to an integral world view is any greater leap than the previous leaps. Though, temporally speaking, there is an exponentiality to the enfolding of the vMEMEs.
MaBu888 2 years ago
Oh, and to be even more specific - Spiral Dynamics is not a theory, but it is a framework/model of psychological development, based on the research of theories of Graves. The same way, Wilber's AQAL is as much a metatheory as it is a map/model/framework. I have a feeling that Wilber doesn't have as good a grasp of Graves' SD theories as Chris Cowan has.
MaBu888 2 years ago
at the highest level, nothing will change as long as duality exists. once everything becomes one again, definition is no longer possible. everyone is holding on to something, the truth is to let go and everything will be as it should. consider that our lives are nothing but an observational system for whatever created everything. you can create everything and still not know what it is.
wcv1982 3 years ago
i don't think evolution will stop after humanity has reached the 7th level. it will go on, cos isn't it true that each time humanity was about to enter a new age of consiousness they thought they were at the end of the line? the line does not end
znubzz188 3 years ago
beacuse its not a line...its a circle
SilentBud420 3 years ago
Nice video. Have you considered that we are still essentially driven by ego and power though? Today, we are driven by profits and economics, which are just a different but still egocentric mindset. In politics and in our culture, the quest for profit tops everything. Also, strictly speaking, everything we can do as humans is controlled by biology & thus evolution. Our physical ability to be spiritual is limited by the evolution of our brain. There isn't really a rigid disconnect between them.
jamesia13 3 years ago
There is emerging and has been emerging transpersonal motivations... For example a profound desire to end the suffering of all beings and to increase the well being of all beings by doing hard work (this is present among religious and nonreligious people of course).
MaBu888 3 years ago
There's a big risk here that people are going to make wild unsupported assumptions. The increase in the desire to end all suffering (which is a meme) is simply due to the increase in global discussions on morality, not because there is some single platonic belief that we are all experiencing due to some unifying consciousness that we are all a part of. In fact everyone has their own distinct and different belief re. suffering, they are similar, but distinct and personal.
tjsk8ta 3 years ago
Yeah. Duh. :) I agree...
MaBu888 3 years ago
The question is, jamesia13, are YOU driven solely by power and economics? I guess not. Though most people like you and me directly depend on the success of power and economics. There has got to be a positive change coming from somewhere. Might as well be from the applications of Spiral Dynamics that are already taking place.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Because our survival is dependent on profit, we must support its growth, regardless of our support of its egocentric model. I mean, we are forced to support it, or die. Capitalism is fairly aggressive, and somewhat fascist in nature.
jamesia13 2 years ago
I'm very, very, very aware of that. :)
But change is the only certainty. :)
MaBu888 2 years ago
Couldn't have said it better! ( well, could have but then I'd have to rite a book)
Well said secretcheef!
FredeliciousToU 3 years ago
hippy,wish-thinking bullshit,if you don't me saying so,and the music make's me want to rub dog shit in my ears.yo.
blatspanner 3 years ago
i'm all for hallucinogenic drug use,but you really don't need to cling on to this shit so tightly. be a nice person.there you go,it's really not that hard.
blatspanner 3 years ago
The music is good.
journeysolo 3 years ago
this is the timothy leary eight circuit consciousness that most scientists dont agree with
purplebeer22 3 years ago
No, it is not the Timothy Leary eight circuit consciousness model that most scientists disagree with. Though it could be correlated with it. Spiral Dynamics is applied to world problems with largely sucessful results, for example Apartheid was brought to its knees due to the utility of Spiral Dynamics, or at least partially because of it.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
2012, suddenly we become genetically aware of the destructive course our leaders have put us on. Those unable to comprehend will perish before their TV-sets while the rest reach enlightement.
mrScattergood 3 years ago
I'd see it as more natural of a process, like the emergence of a blossom.
thepathlesspath 3 years ago
yeah, and the change might become recognizable by 2012 (since it's the prophesized end of the world as we know it). My point was that the fact that billions of people are trapped inside the capitalist/consumerism dream world today regarded as reality will be a massive stir up, chaos! anarchy! change! peace! I can't wait.
mrScattergood 3 years ago
The fact that the very stuff this world is made of "matter"is temporary in form "always changing" birth, decay, Reflects the reality that even if you get your perfect world it will be temporarily enjoyed as decay death etc.. are reality here. true progress is transcendence, freedom from that which is temporary & illusion namely this world, body, an all its attachments this world is ment to be the way it is those born here are rightly situated if you want perfection go back home to vaikauntha BTG
parasu108 3 years ago
matter dosent exist....only consiousness which creates our universe..we are consiousness..we create the universe.. ego is an illusion, to make heaven on earth we have to relize that collectivly (since we are all one)
SilentBud420 3 years ago
Consciousness existed before the Big Bang, and the big bang is what created the matter in our universe. Consciousness made the big bang happen, something had to. Thought id add on...
Nwildchild 3 years ago
I would just like to disagree. Silentbud420 I feel is closer. I totally accept external world scepticism, I only know that myself and my experiences exist but I don't see any reason to give such primacy to consciousness.
I believe an undivided universe with the potential for consciousness evolved to create humans with complex consciousness that created the illusion of a divided universe with "objects". It didn't however create the underlying reality.
tjsk8ta 3 years ago
I was thinking about it as well, and I take it back. I was talking with Carl Calleman and he made my thoghts differ a bit... I believe the universe purpose is to develop consciousness, Every religion, from norse, buddhism, the chinese dragon, hebrew, they all speak of 9 levels, or 9 stages, or in norse how odin hung himself on the ash tree for 9 days to learn the runes. This is the 9 levels on the mayan pyramid/calendar, each a new consciousness
Nwildchild 3 years ago
i agree with this stuff.
themindfuck 3 years ago
Thanks for this bits of beauty into spiral dynamics.
Luvina07 4 years ago
hello, integral naked member.
postjam 4 years ago
It could happen, but the most likely scenario is that I will stay up till midnight on Dec 21, 2012 and then fall asleep, wake up the next day and laugh a little. It's good you make predictions (sort of) but a good solid argument won't be found until 2012 (or not). It's still better than listening to young earth creationist, uehhwuuhwehwu, I just felt a cold chill go up my spine! :)
scienceminded 4 years ago
scienceminded - Sadly, while I fully embrace the concept of the "Evolution of Consciousness", I must agree with your inference here. I feel the importance of our evolution is in living NOW, and not waiting for a future date. Awareness/Enlightenment happens NOW. Science & Spirit are eternally entangled in harmony. Evenso, 2012 may well be remarkable. How? I don't know.
xephyr1000 4 years ago
what I'm saying is that I find it highly unlikely that we can know these kinds of things without a basic understanding of the forces or reasons behind them. The source off much of the speculation is simple ignorance to the true natural cause of phenomenon, today we have the same ignorance but about different things, the pattern is natural, not a personified reality. I don't believe we have a soul, spirit is a level that is unnecessary to the development of thought, morality and consciousness.
scienceminded 4 years ago
If 2012 is anything like previous Mayan predictions, it will happen much more naturally. For instance, one of the last returns of quetzalcoatl happened on the same day Cortes landed in Mexico. The time after was of course a complete shift in their way of life, and an end of an empire. Just a thought. (See Pinchbeck)
thepathlesspath 4 years ago
They thought Cortez was their God, coincedence? I don't know but if you're going to base it all on that fine.
scienceminded 4 years ago
It could be coincidence, but the prophecy was made hundreds of years before about a "White skinned" god. Of course this isn't some scientific hypothesis, didn't say it was either. Just exploring possibilities. At any rate, this video is not about 2012.
thepathlesspath 4 years ago
Yes that is true, but people tend to glomb the end of a galactic cycle to the entering of your so called universal stage. See the below comment by rainmaker11, it has seemed to me the emphatic belief has always been met with disappointments all but a rare blue moon. To say that culture develops is not a stretch but it seems to employ a lot of pseudo anthropomorphic quality to life and our development or smoke and mirrors guised in quantum physics or meta-physicians that have faded to obscurity.
scienceminded 4 years ago
awsome...the mayans portray the same concept in a 9 step pyramid...we are currently in the galactic stage of consciousness...2012 begins the universal stage...cant wait...dec 21 to be exact...the sun will shine in the darkest place of our galaxy for the first time in 27000 years...same exact day.
rainmaker11 4 years ago 2
The best and most beautiful short video explanation of SD I've seen.
racetoinfinity 4 years ago
Beautiful!
Thank You :o)
jeanjeansl 4 years ago
good job, this video goes a long way - for integral nerds like us...
Do you know the live version of the song that Stu recorded with Eddy K.? It's even cooler. It's in the archives of Integral Naked.
rock on, man...
denniswittrock 4 years ago 2
Beautiful!
chimerakarma 4 years ago 2
Who's playing?
chiefmojorisinx 4 years ago
Stuart Davis and his song "Smoke". Check 'em out :)
thepathlesspath 4 years ago
Dreamy and uplifiting
Guavalight 4 years ago
Good song.
Metatronicus 4 years ago
great vid... many kudos
runin2astndstill 4 years ago