this video recorded in 2006. I assumed at this stage you can count the GOOD player by your hand fingers.. Poker was way way way hella different back then I guess..
I don't understand why the other guy made such a big raise preflop, as he won't like most flops if he gets called. On the flop Mike runs into the only hand he's drawing dead to. I don't understand why he pushes his whole stack into the preflop raiser, instead of checking and then reevaluating the situation after the other guy bets. The guy would propably have checked his quads and then Mike had had a opportunety to get away from his hand on the turn. He was propably already tilted or something.
@Dimage25! the other guy didnt make it 400 preflop; if you u like at the guy right to matusow(the small blind) u can see he had put in 80 already which means that the guy with quads had limped in preflop, the guy right to matusow(the small blind) had also limped , and then matusow pumped it up to 5x big blinds 400 chips... u see? :)
@Benji17170 You are right, i missed that. With two limpers in front of him, Mike was propably just trying to win the dead money preflop. The flop is pretty much perfect for Mike's play, yes he does not have a made hand, but he has overcards and a flush draw and most flops like this are not going to connect with the other guys's hand range. I believe, that Mike just wanted to win the pot on the flop and ran in the nuts. Whether his play was necessary at that point in the turnament is questionable
I think a lot of people are forgetting mike's style of play. He tries to seems extremely unpredictable and loose for a reason, I mean who is going to try and bluff a player who has shoved numerous times over the course of the game? This move was not only intended to win the pot, it was to send a shockwave to the other players telling them not to mess with him. It's a perfect play since nothing below FH can call and Mike obviously knew the other guy would not call with less than that.
I probably would still have gone broke here but I would have went broke when I hit my flush. I would have priced East into the hand...that way I can still get away if my spider sense started tingling 77 or I dont hit my flush...you have to at least give the guy a chance to give away the strength of his hand. Make them Earn it Mike dont just give it away!!!
it would have been mathematically impossible for the villian to call with anything less than 44 ,47 or 77.
you can do the math yourself but you will figure out that the move was 100% correct against a good tournament-player.
if he had history of the villian and knew the villian was a fish then the move would have been bad because a fish would not have been able to fold hands like aces or kings in that spot
if you think mike missplayed his hand u just suck at tournamentpoker
@SmokeYourGanjaRaw Just because it isn't correct, doesn't mean they'll fold.. have you seen some of the things that happen online? and lol at a fish not being able to fold AA or KK, Would you fold? because if you would then it is you who sucks. what would you think matusow had? you would fold an overpair on that board after MM overbets allin thinking it was some tricky play with a boat himself? because that is retarded..
I really don't understand this play. I've seen mike over betting the pot several times in many seasons of high stakes poker. Now, the opponent is very likely to have a pocket pair here. The best situation here for mike is a coin flip and it is an early stage of the tournament. Why risk it? Why not just bet 50-70 % of the pot?
i think he was indeed a favourite. He had a 4 flush and he had 2 hits to get to it. Approximately 35 percent. Only the 44 would have rly been a problem for him. He would have 2 overcards on mostly everything else and even if the other guy had aces he still had a flush draw. Not sure what the figures would be if the guy had ace king or 2 queens or kings but he would have had a reasonable chance with that and yea indeed dominate any other pair. The underdog calculation didn't include the draw.
yea putting all chips in at this spot is too risky its just ace high and the only hand calling was probaly the best hand, i think the best move was to mid raise ya know just to see where u stand mike will b fine
i don't like matusow. in HSP he plays tight as shit, and once he stacks daniel negreanu- he leaves. he played KK, folded the rest, complains about not getting hands, complains about others playing tight, and leaves once he's up. but it's a common move to leave while ahead when you're outclassed and don't have an edge. he's just the mouth; trying to use it as much as his two ears.
Not the worst play, mike loses alot of equity by possibly check calling and obviously he was willing to gamble with 2 overs and a flush draw on a most likely freeroll for him. To be honest I think he might of played a big pair in a similar way against internet players. I also don't like the call with 44. You have to hit a set to continue or quads in this case and he commited a daring amount of chips preflop. Not the worst play by mike nor the best either. He woulda got stacked either way.
mike did nothing wrong....i mean who puts anyone on quads.....i would jump on that as well....besides it was a bad call preflop with the 4's to begin with in my opinion
I wouldn't mind Mike's play on a Sit n Go because you need to take some risks to build your stack. However, in an MTT, I don't like it. I see a lot of bad players make this sort of play and get lucky (Joe Cada shoves all in with open enders on MTT's, which is a horrible play IMO). MTT is all about pot control and keeping pots small.
''Against the amateur eastsideslim'', sorry but that is untrue and a bit funny. Eastsideslim = Neverwin on PS = Dusin Woolf with just under a million of live tournament winnings.
not a bad play i competley disagree. 2 over cards and a nut flush draw. Very unlucky the other guy had quad 4's i wouldn't be reluctant to make the same move.
this is all pointless because if he makes a standard raise the money gets in on the turn one way or the other. if the dude reraises him on the flop the money is going in anyway. no matter how u look at this the money is getting in period, hes not folding aqsuited on this board. he makes it really hard however for someone to call with 88-JJ, 7-x, or 5-6. 77 and 4x are the only hands calling besides big pairs which he can eliminate.
dude u're such a nerd...if matusow says he's not an underdog against eights,then he's not.he has many outs against a pair below queens(without sevens and fours of course) and another thing-shove your odds calculator in ur ass,judging mike's move.
lol.. pretty easy to bash matusow when you know what both players have.. we have no idea how eastsideslim had been playing this tourney and what mike might have put eastsideslim on with a $400 raise. not too far fetched to imagine that matusow would think he had the nuts imo.
Terrible analysis. He has two over cards with flush draw if has him on over pair he has 15 outs. That person could have raised with 2 overcards in that position. You seem to limit him to a PP which is a small part of the players range. The all in adds 25% or so to his stack and that play would take the pot more often than not. I believe what Mike did is a standard play there.
turtleknife, your a fucking idiot. seriously. you just analyzed a hand between a nut flush draw w/ overs against a guy that drilled not just one 4, but 2 4's for quads. seriously, he doesnt hit HIS MIRACLE. which is a 4 on that flop then matusow takes it down. If he had 55 or 66 matusow takes it down. stfu and get off your high horse. considerin the size of that flop pre flop. the fact that online poker is rigged etc. etc. this was just a hate speech by you (a homo) for 5 min. for no reason.
Ummm SB has to act before Mike calls, ala it was a limped pot to mike and he made it 400 to go. STD hand other than he should probably bet/call rather then jammin but w/e nothin out of the ordinary here
Yup, you are right. Preflop was pretty standard, but the shove on the flop was plain gambling, I have seen him doing that other times pushing in situations where he is to play a coin flip at best.
oh and to all the dumbasses talking about how stupid the bet was in relation to the pot, I'm sure you wouldn't be talking if it was a pot sized bet. wtf is the difference? if he bets the pot he has 25% of his stack in anyway, fuck it. yeah it's still an overbet, no it's not dumb enough to point out or argue over.
whoever made this vid is a dumbass, in most cases NO ONE hit that flop. even if matusow was behind he had 15 outs, that's a pretty good chance to win and with the enormous bet his chances of winning were increased. how do you waste your time making this stupid vid to argue about someone's play? it's far from the worst play in the world, it can barely be considered bad. maybe you can argue he overbet but it did increase his chances of winning. who really cares though. so dumb.
Unless this tournament is dealing counter clockwise, Mike is the preflop raiser, and the other dude is calling with 44. And if mike indeed did have him on a middle pair, he is flipping if he does get called. You have no background info either. This other dude could have shown down some funky sh1t, in like the previous 10 hands he played.
This announcer is a moron... that is a long run + ev bc of the fold equity + drawing power... maybe a snap shove was dumb, but getting the $ in is not ever bad on a 7,4,4 flop with 2 big overs and a FD
If the guy had 9s Mike was a favorite... very unlikely he had a 4 let alone two of them... 77 was possible but unlikely with that flop so why worry about it. I think the move was okay, because he was a favorite against most hands yet did not have anything so playing it strong was the right idea.
lol what does this voyeur actually know? calling out mike for pushing with 2 sick overs and the nut flush draw... he didnt expect the guy to flop quads lol what are the odds? Redo the odds with 33s instead of 44s and Mike is the clear favourite 58% to 41%. Maybe mike was watching the donk go all in with low pockets the entire game and decided to take his stab... MIKE FTW byatch
yea i agree with osefkincaid, it shows that action is on the SB so its obvious that the the guy with 44 limped then called matusows raise, not that the 44 raised and matusow called...
sounds like you're good at reading hands after the cards are turned over...why don't you post some hands you play online, and we will see if you should criticize other players
he might have flopped a boat? he might have flopped quads? and what are the chances of that? it wasnt as bad a move as this guy is making out, a massive overbet which looks weak, i give you that, but he was unlucky to run into what he did. And even if he'd just bet and been smooth called his ace hit the turn so he was def moving in then. Just another sick online cooler!
i love full tilt...but ive seen that happen to me twice,someones pockets hit quads off the flop when i've got a playable hand...on a draw..its just a shock to see him flip over those cards.I woulda done the same thing as mike.
play bankroll managment, play2 procent of your stack, so for now play 1 and 2 dollar sit and go's untill 250 then play 5,. i was 50 now i am 1000 with this management. play good have fun!
If you are playing at the micro stakes it is not so much about bankroll management to secure and build upon your roll. instead, you ought to be playing good, solid consistent poker.
come on he ran into quads. Who EVER sees that?? Mike had 2 over cards with a flush draw, a lot of players wouldve done the same thing, and only few of them would've ran into quads...
he's right mike did play that hand bad.. most of the time that works tho because ur opponent doesnt have much of a hand.. but in cases like these, u have no idea where u r in that hand so its not a great idea to push all ur chips in.. mike is a good player but like daniel negraneu (cant spell it :P) says he's eventually gonna make a stupid move n give all is chips away..
Sry to say, but in this hand i would almost have done just the same as mike. Only i would have put 3/ 5 of my stake in it, so not the allin. If you get called or get reraised, you have sense trouble. Still 2 overcards and a nuts flush draw is a pretty strong hand up to 7 h4 4 h on flop. Even if Mike's oponent had a 99 10 10, i would still support his move. There is a very slim chance of running against 7 7 full, or quad 44's.
I think the only way all his chips don't go all in here are if he reraises preflop. Calling down is an option, but there are so many possible turns that could come in which he will pot commits himself anyway, he decided to put the pressure on the raiser. If he check/raises the flop, he's just more likely to get called by a middle pair. This is the best way he can get the raiser to fold.
I think he made a great move if i would have played i would have check raised or went all in like Mike did, incase the other guy would have pokcet 8 like this moron said it would be more then hard for him to make the call and if he does it's still 50/50.
I mean mike hard a monster in my eyes, big flush draw and 2 over cards to hit.
very true i dont know about the all in move i think a c raise all in is a better move to get anything from 88-JJ to fold even. he did flop a monster hand especially if he thought the other player had JJ-88 or big cards. i like a c raise all in better with his stack there, on a s stack or a super short stack the push in first is better play.
lol you are funny.... "if i would have played i would have check raised or went all in" so what now ? There are no options left anymore... lmao
And second he played it stupid... its a tournament and after flop he had nothing!! He was lucky to hit the Ace on the Turn but you cant play with a Flush draw and 2 Over Cards All In against a simmilar staked guy... in my opinion bad play
the odds are actually different but it's only 0.1 % more likely to win with 88 because it's possible for a runner runner to make a 8 high straight.. not really a difference to care about...
Why do people talk like he knew he was going to get called. He thought "Hey, he will fold 95% of the time and if he calls I will have a coin flip 95% of the time."
I disagree. A standard 3x preflop raise would probably fold 90-95% of the time. a 5x preflop raise nearly almost ALWAYS means a pair online. People realize they're more vunerable and assume betting more preflop will help better protect their hand. It's very common online.
IMO fold percentages for the hand is about 25% fold. 25% of the time he raised AK, mike is still behind and MAY be able to steal the flop. As dude said, forcing a fold of 8s+ online == nearly impossible on 7 high flop.
The only reason Mike did this is because Full Tilt paid for his tournament. If he'd paid with his own money he might have given it a bit more thought.
blinds are 40/80 as we can clearly see, pot is around 900, mike has 4000 behind. Mike has around FIFTY big blinds remaining.
This may be a standard outcome (chips go all in with overs and nut flush draw), but mike's shove was absolutely pathetic. this is not a pro move by any means. The ONLY reason mike's chips should have gone all in here is if his opponent pushed all in on this flop. Even then, I'm not sure it's a good idea to risk your tourney life on a draw with 50 BB's remaining.
Mikes play there could only be described in one word (DONKEY)!!!!!!!! It was horrible so what he had a flush draw and 2 overs check call a small bet there was no reason for him to shove thats just horrible donkish play. It was still early in the tournament no reason to gamble with your tournament life.
That is an absolutely correct shove period. He's only dead against 77 and 44, which is pretty rare, and in decent 3/2 shape against KK and QQ. The rest of the hands he is a favourite over.
i dont get what the big deal is here. its standard play. watch the hand with greg raymer and mike at the wsop 2004 where greg goes all in with a flush draw and two over cards and it pays off and leads to greg winning the tournement.
That was a good call. A bit of risky but mike can afford it certainly. That guy obviously had a pair so mike had 2 overcards and a flush draw!!! Finally that was an ace on the turn!!! He could lose only to pocket sevens or fours!
I totally agree, although I'm not a big fan of going all in with all of my chips, mike definitely had a good hand to raise big, but he was extremely unlucky and the other guy was extremely lucky.
His play was obv he had flush draw with 2 overs,I see players do that move all the time online.I think best play was to either bet 3 quarter pot to see where hes at or to check raise flop,movin all in on flop gave his hand away.(even if the player wasnt folding anyway with quads)But basically the BIGGEST mistake of all that got him into this bad situation was playing SHITTY AQ out of position to a massive raise with so much play left.shud either be re raise or fold preflop,hands such as AA KK QQ
He had to only worry about kings, aces, queens, 7s, and 4s. The queens, sevens, and fours are much less likely because 2 fours are out, 1 seven is out, and he has a queen and an ace. The oversized bet probably made Mike discount Kings and Aces, and he anticipated a call from 10s-Js, a slight possibility of a call from 9s or 8s, and a fold from 6s on down (and any unpaired 2 cards that missed). Against 8s-Js, Mike would have had 15 outs and been a favorite.
AND he got his chips in first. But still, i don't like this play in a tournament. Even if you're a favorite, your still drawing. It's comparable to a tournament where, most of the times, you COULD push it with AK preflop, but you don't do that, even if you know you're probably a 45 percent underdog at worst. Pushing on big draws in a tournament is a very questionable play, especially out of position.
Mike just doesnt give a **** about this tourney , he probably put him on a mid pair up to jacks and decided to gamble and maximize his chances to get a huge payout. He didnt want to grind the whole tourney just to make a little money.
If he bet pot and got raised on the flop, he would have had to put it all in anyway. So, he decided to just take control of the hand and put his opponent to the test.
I don't mind this move for tournament play. You need to gather chips any which way you can, including putting in a big all-in bluff. It is usually best to put the other player to the test. If eastside slim had AK, AQ, AJs, he would have folded and he might have folded a hand like 6s, 8s, or 9s. That would have given Mike a nice chunk of chips to sling around later and pick up more little to medium pots or possibly double up for a larger amount, etc.
Or, maybe he's multitabling tourneys, like I do. When you're playing ten tourneys at a time, it's all in or fold most of the time. Maybe it's not quite optimal in all cases, but it puts a lot of pressure on your opponents. Of course it looks bad when the guy turned over quads, but most of the time he's not going to have the nuts or anything near it. And he's going to have outs when called about 98% of the time in this situation.
its not the best but its not as horrible as your making it sound. Mike can shove AA,KK their for value, He's not in that bad a shape with a hand like AQ with a flush draw. Everytime that guy is going to HAVE his bs small pocket pair unless he flops a set or quads. 88,99,10,10 CANNOT call that massive overbet.
mike wants to double up now to try and win it not to cash.
mike is awesome! its not a bad play. he wanted to gamble, and he thought he was with ace queen of diamonds, against pocket tens / jacks! he cnt put that donkey on pocket fours!
matusow isnt an idiot. And he doesnt care enough to either go out at that point out of the tournament or later on. He wanted to build his stack to play with it later and push people around, that's what you gotta do.
I would make the same move, or at least reraise all in. But with his all-in move on the flop EVERY HAND folds except AA/KK/QQ and the boat or quads of course.
Matusow put him on jacks, tens, something that a 5bb raise would make sense with, so he shoved with a 15-outer, hoping to scare the opponent off his hand but not dead by any stretch. I REALLY like the play, given the read, just a bad read, but with a 5bb raise, I don't put someone on 4s either.
Mattusow makes a lot of bad calls, sometimes he can read people right and go all in with nothing and win the pot, but most of the time he plays quite bad... Not to mention the guy is one of the most irritating poker players on earth, he talks so much shit and makes a complete idiot of himself on TV (Watch High stakes poker series)...
mike smove is just ecessive.....he's got 15 outs and he cant belive that his opponent hit the board...does he have a pair?? thats the only thing he's worried about...QUADS...thats full tilt....407 to 1 ....thanks to full tilt
Matusow is a good player...i dont agree with all of your commentary here Marty...and Matusow raised pre flop...anyways....i think you have it out for Mike
he could beat anything but 77, 44, A4, AA, KK, QQ.... cuz the caller was folding anything but those hands probably and mike could get a diamond against a pocket pair a pretty good semibluff
What I might have folded AQ suited because the raise was so many times the big blind that pre-flop, the best thing I could hope for was being in a 50/50- situation. Post-flop I would call that all-in even with AK, bacuse I would guess he would check and let me do the betting if he had 77 or 44. If Mike had a big pair, he would probably re-raise pre-flop, because I raised 6 times the big blind, and that indicates I will call all-in pre-flop. Very unlucky flop for Mike, but bad play!
I agree mike did overplay that hand, but with two diamonds on board, he is a favorite to any pair below QQ.
if the opponent had 33 Mike would be a great favorite. with maybe 9 diamonds to catch and 3 sevens and an Ace or a queen. he has a total of 18 outs, and as you can see his opponent did have a low pocket pair, in my suggesting that player really overplayed his little pair preflop. doesn`t matter what rule the books says, it depends of what the player has there and then.
@TurtleKnife lol that is a cooler, y would that kid raise x5bb with 44 in middle position? I would of never put him on 44 or an unlikely 77, mike matusow was getting equity for his hand because of the chance of his opponent laying their hand down also mike matusow would of been ahead versus ak if the opponent didnt have the king of diamonds
I have to say Mike Matusow plays to aggresively many times, but in this scene, If I had AQ suited of diamonds, and the flop came. 7-4-4 with two diamonds, if your opponent has an overpair say 66-88, over even jacks, you are still! a favorite to win, you could catch a Ace high flush or hit one of your pairs. 16 outs that`s 64%! better than a coinflip
I understand what you are saying and most internet players would jump on this hand the way Mike did. However your math is not right here. If opponent has 88 then Mikes outs are 9 diamonds less the 8d and he also has to avoid the other 8 and the other 2 4s. This puts his odds slightly under even. You just wont see a player like Daniel Negreanu doing something like this and then saying he WAS the fav. Its not correct.
To all though respect, I am certain you are wrong, when a player has a pocketpair, it`s almost impossible to hit his other card after the flop. In this scene if your opponent has 88 with one diamond, yes you have 9 outs, but you still have 6 other outs, in catching an Ace or a queen. The same goes with the two 4 almost impossible to hit another four. with two cards to come, take 15*4 = 60%
Your out calculations are right I guess, but in this case do not translate to win odds which is what you are implying as there are a handfull of cards to avoid, including 8,8,4,4 and running 77! Add to this conundrum the fact that is Mike's BEST case scenario and throw in a good possibility Mike is drawing dead. He threw 4300 at a 900 pot with 40/80 blind, where at best he is a 49% fav after the flop.
That's correct, but Mike is the kind of player who wants to take chances, to build a massive stack that he can bully people with. It actually is pretty efficient. Either he wins the hand and adds a lot to his stack, or he busts out and can buy into another tourney immediately. So the pot odds don't tell the whole story here. Also, a 49% win rate is +EV considering the money that's already in the pot.
Full Tilt Poker has a great calculator where yu can plug in these cards. Put 88 vs AdQd on that flop, and you will see it come out at 49%. That reflects the redraws, and the possibility (which was actually) Mike drawing dead to a boat or quads.
I understand what you're saying, but Mike is such an aggressive player that he would have bet a lot on the turn even if he didn't on the flop. Plus, we've seen this move a lot before from Mike. If you look at High Stakes Poker, he's done it and gotten the best hand to fold (Daniel Alihei comes to mind. Mispelt, but you know what I'm saying). One thing is for sure, Mike plays much worse online than in real life.
its not often when mike plays at his best but when he does, he is an excellent player. He has his blowups, such as this hand, but he is one of the best players around when he has his head in the game.
By the way...matusow was the one that made that insane raise preflop after everyone limped in. eastsideslim made the call and flopped quads. matusow would have lost money on this hand however he played it.
everyone who knows how to play poker knows that mike matusow is a joke. any kind of basic cold deck and he is toast. he says when he's hot, he's the best player. when anyone with a decent game is hot, they are often unbeatable. however, you dont judge your skills on only when youre running good. that would be stupid and mike matusow is stupid.
misclick def
ComputerGeekoo 1 month ago
this video recorded in 2006. I assumed at this stage you can count the GOOD player by your hand fingers.. Poker was way way way hella different back then I guess..
fouzman 1 month ago
3 people limped preflop and Mike made it 400, got one caller.
that's how it went
fabio05cannavaro 7 months ago
48 people were gay, and 79 people smoke peanuts, peanuts that were giving birth
b112895 8 months ago
I don't understand why the other guy made such a big raise preflop, as he won't like most flops if he gets called. On the flop Mike runs into the only hand he's drawing dead to. I don't understand why he pushes his whole stack into the preflop raiser, instead of checking and then reevaluating the situation after the other guy bets. The guy would propably have checked his quads and then Mike had had a opportunety to get away from his hand on the turn. He was propably already tilted or something.
Dimage25 9 months ago
@Dimage25! the other guy didnt make it 400 preflop; if you u like at the guy right to matusow(the small blind) u can see he had put in 80 already which means that the guy with quads had limped in preflop, the guy right to matusow(the small blind) had also limped , and then matusow pumped it up to 5x big blinds 400 chips... u see? :)
Benji17170 9 months ago
@Benji17170 You are right, i missed that. With two limpers in front of him, Mike was propably just trying to win the dead money preflop. The flop is pretty much perfect for Mike's play, yes he does not have a made hand, but he has overcards and a flush draw and most flops like this are not going to connect with the other guys's hand range. I believe, that Mike just wanted to win the pot on the flop and ran in the nuts. Whether his play was necessary at that point in the turnament is questionable
Dimage25 8 months ago
The commentator is forgetting a really big factor, with AK the opponent will always fold here so why are you still checking out the percentages...
JasKem 10 months ago 2
I think a lot of people are forgetting mike's style of play. He tries to seems extremely unpredictable and loose for a reason, I mean who is going to try and bluff a player who has shoved numerous times over the course of the game? This move was not only intended to win the pot, it was to send a shockwave to the other players telling them not to mess with him. It's a perfect play since nothing below FH can call and Mike obviously knew the other guy would not call with less than that.
colderplasma 10 months ago
Mike could've EASILY gotten the same amount of information without betting all his chips.
JeeRaph 10 months ago
I probably would still have gone broke here but I would have went broke when I hit my flush. I would have priced East into the hand...that way I can still get away if my spider sense started tingling 77 or I dont hit my flush...you have to at least give the guy a chance to give away the strength of his hand. Make them Earn it Mike dont just give it away!!!
MegaPokerMon 11 months ago
it would have been mathematically impossible for the villian to call with anything less than 44 ,47 or 77.
you can do the math yourself but you will figure out that the move was 100% correct against a good tournament-player.
if he had history of the villian and knew the villian was a fish then the move would have been bad because a fish would not have been able to fold hands like aces or kings in that spot
if you think mike missplayed his hand u just suck at tournamentpoker
simple as that
SmokeYourGanjaRaw 1 year ago
@SmokeYourGanjaRaw Just because it isn't correct, doesn't mean they'll fold.. have you seen some of the things that happen online? and lol at a fish not being able to fold AA or KK, Would you fold? because if you would then it is you who sucks. what would you think matusow had? you would fold an overpair on that board after MM overbets allin thinking it was some tricky play with a boat himself? because that is retarded..
TheKScott89 2 months ago
LMAO WHAT AN IDIOT, WHO GOES ALL IN, RETARD
fuzzuz 1 year ago
i am a poker player and love it, but really online commentary really get a life wow
kbt86 1 year ago
I really don't understand this play. I've seen mike over betting the pot several times in many seasons of high stakes poker. Now, the opponent is very likely to have a pocket pair here. The best situation here for mike is a coin flip and it is an early stage of the tournament. Why risk it? Why not just bet 50-70 % of the pot?
moctezuma2008 1 year ago
couldn't Matusow just make a pot size bet? Why the hell did he overbet the pot by like 3,000? That was obviously a dangerous bonehead move.
sports1140 1 year ago
i think he was indeed a favourite. He had a 4 flush and he had 2 hits to get to it. Approximately 35 percent. Only the 44 would have rly been a problem for him. He would have 2 overcards on mostly everything else and even if the other guy had aces he still had a flush draw. Not sure what the figures would be if the guy had ace king or 2 queens or kings but he would have had a reasonable chance with that and yea indeed dominate any other pair. The underdog calculation didn't include the draw.
jayhead91 1 year ago
Guys be honest... this is a lame all in...
Well it is an embarassment...
ensayofr 1 year ago
yea putting all chips in at this spot is too risky its just ace high and the only hand calling was probaly the best hand, i think the best move was to mid raise ya know just to see where u stand mike will b fine
plutobrain1 1 year ago
"You are probably going to only get called in this hand if.....your opponent has something better." --- no shit!
BRGBud2001 1 year ago
Mike was the initial raiser preflop.
stretchlimo1 1 year ago
i don't like matusow. in HSP he plays tight as shit, and once he stacks daniel negreanu- he leaves. he played KK, folded the rest, complains about not getting hands, complains about others playing tight, and leaves once he's up. but it's a common move to leave while ahead when you're outclassed and don't have an edge. he's just the mouth; trying to use it as much as his two ears.
hillsonger 1 year ago
Not the worst play, mike loses alot of equity by possibly check calling and obviously he was willing to gamble with 2 overs and a flush draw on a most likely freeroll for him. To be honest I think he might of played a big pair in a similar way against internet players. I also don't like the call with 44. You have to hit a set to continue or quads in this case and he commited a daring amount of chips preflop. Not the worst play by mike nor the best either. He woulda got stacked either way.
the3bigreddevils 1 year ago
mike did nothing wrong....i mean who puts anyone on quads.....i would jump on that as well....besides it was a bad call preflop with the 4's to begin with in my opinion
Alucard20039 1 year ago
@Alucard20039 Lol at "nothing" wrong...
ensayofr 1 year ago
Donation
Misterseiting 1 year ago
Matusow is a very small favourite against any single pair less than Queens there.
xkoenigseggx 1 year ago
just show the video i dont need your stupid commentary
smokebogie 1 year ago
irritating....
vicprobey 1 year ago
I wouldn't mind Mike's play on a Sit n Go because you need to take some risks to build your stack. However, in an MTT, I don't like it. I see a lot of bad players make this sort of play and get lucky (Joe Cada shoves all in with open enders on MTT's, which is a horrible play IMO). MTT is all about pot control and keeping pots small.
lollerz16 1 year ago
''Against the amateur eastsideslim'', sorry but that is untrue and a bit funny. Eastsideslim = Neverwin on PS = Dusin Woolf with just under a million of live tournament winnings.
JuicyTe 1 year ago
''against the amateur eastsideslim'' , sorry but that's kinda funny. Eastsideslim is NOT an amateur. eastsideslim = neverwin = Dustin Woolf.
grtz
JuicyTe 1 year ago
You have no idea what you're talking about. You're just copying what you've heard from other poker commontators
bamboo 1 year ago
not a bad play i competley disagree. 2 over cards and a nut flush draw. Very unlucky the other guy had quad 4's i wouldn't be reluctant to make the same move.
secondtogod 1 year ago
this is all pointless because if he makes a standard raise the money gets in on the turn one way or the other. if the dude reraises him on the flop the money is going in anyway. no matter how u look at this the money is getting in period, hes not folding aqsuited on this board. he makes it really hard however for someone to call with 88-JJ, 7-x, or 5-6. 77 and 4x are the only hands calling besides big pairs which he can eliminate.
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
worst commertary I´ve heard. you have no idé what you are talking about
paltadase 1 year ago
He wasn't going to bet 500 get called miss the flush then have to give it up so he just pushed all of his chips in
scoobyj2002 1 year ago
dude u're such a nerd...if matusow says he's not an underdog against eights,then he's not.he has many outs against a pair below queens(without sevens and fours of course) and another thing-shove your odds calculator in ur ass,judging mike's move.
SuperIns0mnia 1 year ago
HOF
eastsideslim "an amateur"
jiveturkeysuckafool 1 year ago
lol.. pretty easy to bash matusow when you know what both players have.. we have no idea how eastsideslim had been playing this tourney and what mike might have put eastsideslim on with a $400 raise. not too far fetched to imagine that matusow would think he had the nuts imo.
sportsfever420 1 year ago
Terrible analysis. He has two over cards with flush draw if has him on over pair he has 15 outs. That person could have raised with 2 overcards in that position. You seem to limit him to a PP which is a small part of the players range. The all in adds 25% or so to his stack and that play would take the pot more often than not. I believe what Mike did is a standard play there.
burnsalot420 1 year ago
mike was trying to represent over pair .....kind of un timed bluff..i would have called mike anyhow even with jacks or tens.....no need for quards
If over bet occurs... it is likely condition that...person is not having a hand either...
because if u have a hand... why will u over bet and spoil it... may be other person runs away from the hand..lol..
richestuser1 1 year ago
turtleknife, your a fucking idiot. seriously. you just analyzed a hand between a nut flush draw w/ overs against a guy that drilled not just one 4, but 2 4's for quads. seriously, he doesnt hit HIS MIRACLE. which is a 4 on that flop then matusow takes it down. If he had 55 or 66 matusow takes it down. stfu and get off your high horse. considerin the size of that flop pre flop. the fact that online poker is rigged etc. etc. this was just a hate speech by you (a homo) for 5 min. for no reason.
boilerupyouh0m0 1 year ago
Lol commentator, the nut fd and 2 overs is a favourite against 99, not speaking of the great fold eq Mike gets here.
palfyy123 1 year ago
minus equitity to pretty much any hand and slightly + equitity to a fold
i guess a call by a weaker hand was unpropapaly
deutschbecks 1 year ago
matusow obviously just wanted to double up quickly, since he is just interested in huge payout, not to be itm
in other words, he does not care to get a coin flip in these lower stages of the tournament
fazsentido 1 year ago
Useless commentary!
r0thhhh 1 year ago
Ummm SB has to act before Mike calls, ala it was a limped pot to mike and he made it 400 to go. STD hand other than he should probably bet/call rather then jammin but w/e nothin out of the ordinary here
rungoodmuch 1 year ago
@rungoodmuch
Yup, you are right. Preflop was pretty standard, but the shove on the flop was plain gambling, I have seen him doing that other times pushing in situations where he is to play a coin flip at best.
mourantell 1 year ago
either way mike woulda lost alot in that hand shoving on the flop or not
757Roy757 1 year ago
what a lucky fish, called a reraise whit fours.....
about every tenth time whit a poker pair u hit a set,
to hit quads is more improbable...
but anyway it was a mistake by fatusow to push allin at the flop,
a pot size bet would be better.
FakeAssKilla 1 year ago
This guy is such a fish!!!
WillhelmLerHoyt 1 year ago
oh and to all the dumbasses talking about how stupid the bet was in relation to the pot, I'm sure you wouldn't be talking if it was a pot sized bet. wtf is the difference? if he bets the pot he has 25% of his stack in anyway, fuck it. yeah it's still an overbet, no it's not dumb enough to point out or argue over.
mun090 1 year ago
25% of his stack is easy to get away from
GGRSC 1 year ago
whoever made this vid is a dumbass, in most cases NO ONE hit that flop. even if matusow was behind he had 15 outs, that's a pretty good chance to win and with the enormous bet his chances of winning were increased. how do you waste your time making this stupid vid to argue about someone's play? it's far from the worst play in the world, it can barely be considered bad. maybe you can argue he overbet but it did increase his chances of winning. who really cares though. so dumb.
mun090 1 year ago
petking007: maybe look were the dealer button is!?
77relbot 2 years ago
LOL, am i the only person here who have eyes???
Unless this tournament is dealing counter clockwise, Mike is the preflop raiser, and the other dude is calling with 44. And if mike indeed did have him on a middle pair, he is flipping if he does get called. You have no background info either. This other dude could have shown down some funky sh1t, in like the previous 10 hands he played.
petking007 2 years ago
This announcer is a moron... that is a long run + ev bc of the fold equity + drawing power... maybe a snap shove was dumb, but getting the $ in is not ever bad on a 7,4,4 flop with 2 big overs and a FD
LNXlover 2 years ago
I love that play by Mike Matusow based on advanced math over the LONG RUN!
endlessmountain 2 years ago
He could have just bet the pot for about the same effect and not put his stack at risk.
DejectedPanda 2 years ago 2
Bad preflop raise with 4 4...
outrightrocker 2 years ago
If the guy had 9s Mike was a favorite... very unlikely he had a 4 let alone two of them... 77 was possible but unlikely with that flop so why worry about it. I think the move was okay, because he was a favorite against most hands yet did not have anything so playing it strong was the right idea.
Nemesis000000 2 years ago
unlikely? not that unlikely ......he had quads...lol
MaDFuRiT86 2 years ago
it was stupid to put 4k into 960
MaDFuRiT86 2 years ago 5
you made this whole video just to prove one of mike's rants wrong lol he totally owned you
johnmrrs 2 years ago
lol what does this voyeur actually know? calling out mike for pushing with 2 sick overs and the nut flush draw... he didnt expect the guy to flop quads lol what are the odds? Redo the odds with 33s instead of 44s and Mike is the clear favourite 58% to 41%. Maybe mike was watching the donk go all in with low pockets the entire game and decided to take his stab... MIKE FTW byatch
dbpestilence 2 years ago
yea i agree with osefkincaid, it shows that action is on the SB so its obvious that the the guy with 44 limped then called matusows raise, not that the 44 raised and matusow called...
TheY0ungace 2 years ago
sounds like you're good at reading hands after the cards are turned over...why don't you post some hands you play online, and we will see if you should criticize other players
moedanglez 2 years ago
he might have flopped a boat? he might have flopped quads? and what are the chances of that? it wasnt as bad a move as this guy is making out, a massive overbet which looks weak, i give you that, but he was unlucky to run into what he did. And even if he'd just bet and been smooth called his ace hit the turn so he was def moving in then. Just another sick online cooler!
fkucnts 2 years ago 17
what's you problem? It's a good donkbet. He's not getting away from that hand anyway.
Mockni 2 years ago
i love full tilt...but ive seen that happen to me twice,someones pockets hit quads off the flop when i've got a playable hand...on a draw..its just a shock to see him flip over those cards.I woulda done the same thing as mike.
georgino7 2 years ago
sb completed the bet to 80... So obv Matusow raised the limpers preflop and this guy called. Nice read by commentator.
OsefKincaid 2 years ago
marty i need some advice on bankroll management ,,,
i had 23dollars .. went down to 2 dollar over 2 weeks... now im back at 26 dollars! got any advice how to stay at this and add to it?
killapokerpro 2 years ago
are you serious?
mrbankalot 2 years ago
looks like you don't follow any rules,
set yourself some rules and follow them
take the same Jesus uses and play more freerolls
patience bro patience (something I don't have :s)
Private145SSMW 2 years ago
play bankroll managment, play2 procent of your stack, so for now play 1 and 2 dollar sit and go's untill 250 then play 5,. i was 50 now i am 1000 with this management. play good have fun!
vvthomasvv007 2 years ago
If you are playing at the micro stakes it is not so much about bankroll management to secure and build upon your roll. instead, you ought to be playing good, solid consistent poker.
thefarmer01 2 years ago
play less hands (#1 cause of losing money)
Tayl012 2 years ago 3
crap
hobogoblin55 2 years ago
pocket diamonds with an ace and 2 diamonds come up with 2 4's a 7? i wouldve done the same thing i dont blame im thats REALLY bad luck
stfusmdub 2 years ago
come on he ran into quads. Who EVER sees that?? Mike had 2 over cards with a flush draw, a lot of players wouldve done the same thing, and only few of them would've ran into quads...
innerJAG 2 years ago 24
he's right mike did play that hand bad.. most of the time that works tho because ur opponent doesnt have much of a hand.. but in cases like these, u have no idea where u r in that hand so its not a great idea to push all ur chips in.. mike is a good player but like daniel negraneu (cant spell it :P) says he's eventually gonna make a stupid move n give all is chips away..
geniusjas87 2 years ago
"BING!!!" hahahaaa good 1 ba
mammothsoulja 2 years ago
If the other guy had pockt 2s, 3s, 5s 6s, 8's, 9s, 10's, Jacks, then matusow would be ahead with two overs and a flush draw......
josearellano1987 2 years ago 5
Sry to say, but in this hand i would almost have done just the same as mike. Only i would have put 3/ 5 of my stake in it, so not the allin. If you get called or get reraised, you have sense trouble. Still 2 overcards and a nuts flush draw is a pretty strong hand up to 7 h4 4 h on flop. Even if Mike's oponent had a 99 10 10, i would still support his move. There is a very slim chance of running against 7 7 full, or quad 44's.
Ceeda7 2 years ago
Mike got eliminaed by Tony G ..tony had AQ and he got A4 the river kicke his ass with tony G getting a pair of QQ
swordsman360 3 years ago
he would have been forced in on the turn if he would have stayed till then anyway...
he should have checked then the guy would have probably bet and matusow could have folded...
stupid play by matusow.
OSHUNLIDE 3 years ago
videos with this shitty introduction and shitty verbal advertisement makes me not wanna watch these kind of videos!
whoshotya7 3 years ago
I think the only way all his chips don't go all in here are if he reraises preflop. Calling down is an option, but there are so many possible turns that could come in which he will pot commits himself anyway, he decided to put the pressure on the raiser. If he check/raises the flop, he's just more likely to get called by a middle pair. This is the best way he can get the raiser to fold.
Dadge42 3 years ago
I think he made a great move if i would have played i would have check raised or went all in like Mike did, incase the other guy would have pokcet 8 like this moron said it would be more then hard for him to make the call and if he does it's still 50/50.
I mean mike hard a monster in my eyes, big flush draw and 2 over cards to hit.
Great play by Mike.
Cabolts3 3 years ago
very true i dont know about the all in move i think a c raise all in is a better move to get anything from 88-JJ to fold even. he did flop a monster hand especially if he thought the other player had JJ-88 or big cards. i like a c raise all in better with his stack there, on a s stack or a super short stack the push in first is better play.
amandakvqt 3 years ago
lol you are funny.... "if i would have played i would have check raised or went all in" so what now ? There are no options left anymore... lmao
And second he played it stupid... its a tournament and after flop he had nothing!! He was lucky to hit the Ace on the Turn but you cant play with a Flush draw and 2 Over Cards All In against a simmilar staked guy... in my opinion bad play
SeyTheDJ 3 years ago
i support your opinion Cabolts.
Ceeda7 2 years ago
Yes, he could have played better this hand, but no one here can beat him in a live tournament.
jjneto409 3 years ago
I think he made the right move...
95% of the times the opponent wouldve folded a pair except a real high one or 4's of course
mickderkskouta 3 years ago
why did the retard think the odds for 99 would be different for 88?
tartanarmy1989 3 years ago 7
the odds are actually different but it's only 0.1 % more likely to win with 88 because it's possible for a runner runner to make a 8 high straight.. not really a difference to care about...
tarjumba 2 years ago
Why do people talk like he knew he was going to get called. He thought "Hey, he will fold 95% of the time and if he calls I will have a coin flip 95% of the time."
aptand 3 years ago 6
exactly...he will fold 95% of the time...i completely agree..
PhilIvey40 3 years ago 2
I disagree. A standard 3x preflop raise would probably fold 90-95% of the time. a 5x preflop raise nearly almost ALWAYS means a pair online. People realize they're more vunerable and assume betting more preflop will help better protect their hand. It's very common online.
IMO fold percentages for the hand is about 25% fold. 25% of the time he raised AK, mike is still behind and MAY be able to steal the flop. As dude said, forcing a fold of 8s+ online == nearly impossible on 7 high flop.
pokerslut530 3 years ago 3
hahaha thats ftp for ya 4 4's
TrueToonKilla 3 years ago 2
The only reason Mike did this is because Full Tilt paid for his tournament. If he'd paid with his own money he might have given it a bit more thought.
OnTilt710 3 years ago
blinds are 40/80 as we can clearly see, pot is around 900, mike has 4000 behind. Mike has around FIFTY big blinds remaining.
This may be a standard outcome (chips go all in with overs and nut flush draw), but mike's shove was absolutely pathetic. this is not a pro move by any means. The ONLY reason mike's chips should have gone all in here is if his opponent pushed all in on this flop. Even then, I'm not sure it's a good idea to risk your tourney life on a draw with 50 BB's remaining.
EnvyMyIgnorance 3 years ago
Mikes play there could only be described in one word (DONKEY)!!!!!!!! It was horrible so what he had a flush draw and 2 overs check call a small bet there was no reason for him to shove thats just horrible donkish play. It was still early in the tournament no reason to gamble with your tournament life.
metalrules16 3 years ago 2
That is an absolutely correct shove period. He's only dead against 77 and 44, which is pretty rare, and in decent 3/2 shape against KK and QQ. The rest of the hands he is a favourite over.
12spanku 3 years ago 2
it was the right move !!!!!!!!
he had a flush draw to crummy cards who would think that the guy had 4 4 ? seriously it was the right move matusow had 4 diamonds plus 2 overs
iveyfan101 3 years ago
i dont get what the big deal is here. its standard play. watch the hand with greg raymer and mike at the wsop 2004 where greg goes all in with a flush draw and two over cards and it pays off and leads to greg winning the tournement.
tartanarmy1989 3 years ago
thats not bad.....whast the deal with the slow play.
iambt21 3 years ago
That was a good call. A bit of risky but mike can afford it certainly. That guy obviously had a pair so mike had 2 overcards and a flush draw!!! Finally that was an ace on the turn!!! He could lose only to pocket sevens or fours!
123vuk123 3 years ago
I totally agree, although I'm not a big fan of going all in with all of my chips, mike definitely had a good hand to raise big, but he was extremely unlucky and the other guy was extremely lucky.
JUAMPITILLO 3 years ago
this was too funny
pumapaulwaul 3 years ago
ahahaha pwned
MeisterJedah 4 years ago
His play was obv he had flush draw with 2 overs,I see players do that move all the time online.I think best play was to either bet 3 quarter pot to see where hes at or to check raise flop,movin all in on flop gave his hand away.(even if the player wasnt folding anyway with quads)But basically the BIGGEST mistake of all that got him into this bad situation was playing SHITTY AQ out of position to a massive raise with so much play left.shud either be re raise or fold preflop,hands such as AA KK QQ
sherby888 4 years ago
He had to only worry about kings, aces, queens, 7s, and 4s. The queens, sevens, and fours are much less likely because 2 fours are out, 1 seven is out, and he has a queen and an ace. The oversized bet probably made Mike discount Kings and Aces, and he anticipated a call from 10s-Js, a slight possibility of a call from 9s or 8s, and a fold from 6s on down (and any unpaired 2 cards that missed). Against 8s-Js, Mike would have had 15 outs and been a favorite.
AndyKawai 4 years ago
AND he got his chips in first. But still, i don't like this play in a tournament. Even if you're a favorite, your still drawing. It's comparable to a tournament where, most of the times, you COULD push it with AK preflop, but you don't do that, even if you know you're probably a 45 percent underdog at worst. Pushing on big draws in a tournament is a very questionable play, especially out of position.
zwamman 4 years ago
He should have just made a pot sized bet.
MachineManX51 4 years ago 2
Mike just doesnt give a **** about this tourney , he probably put him on a mid pair up to jacks and decided to gamble and maximize his chances to get a huge payout. He didnt want to grind the whole tourney just to make a little money.
BPMa14n 4 years ago 4
If he bet pot and got raised on the flop, he would have had to put it all in anyway. So, he decided to just take control of the hand and put his opponent to the test.
monkybizzness 4 years ago 2
I don't mind this move for tournament play. You need to gather chips any which way you can, including putting in a big all-in bluff. It is usually best to put the other player to the test. If eastside slim had AK, AQ, AJs, he would have folded and he might have folded a hand like 6s, 8s, or 9s. That would have given Mike a nice chunk of chips to sling around later and pick up more little to medium pots or possibly double up for a larger amount, etc.
monkybizzness 4 years ago
Or, maybe he's multitabling tourneys, like I do. When you're playing ten tourneys at a time, it's all in or fold most of the time. Maybe it's not quite optimal in all cases, but it puts a lot of pressure on your opponents. Of course it looks bad when the guy turned over quads, but most of the time he's not going to have the nuts or anything near it. And he's going to have outs when called about 98% of the time in this situation.
jeffw1267 4 years ago
geez stop groning about his play..
its not the best but its not as horrible as your making it sound. Mike can shove AA,KK their for value, He's not in that bad a shape with a hand like AQ with a flush draw. Everytime that guy is going to HAVE his bs small pocket pair unless he flops a set or quads. 88,99,10,10 CANNOT call that massive overbet.
mike wants to double up now to try and win it not to cash.
OMFGTHISNAMEISTAKEN1 4 years ago
It was the correct move because it is correct for the villain to fold anything but a boat, quads or trips.
surGeonGG 4 years ago
Friggin bad move - it was a 960 pot.
Many amateurs could do better.
The best excuse he could have had was if they went all in after the turn A.
Pastevin242 4 years ago
HOW COULD HE PUT HIM ON 44?
gawfstix 4 years ago 8
mike is awesome! its not a bad play. he wanted to gamble, and he thought he was with ace queen of diamonds, against pocket tens / jacks! he cnt put that donkey on pocket fours!
marcsdbest87 4 years ago 4
matusow isnt an idiot. And he doesnt care enough to either go out at that point out of the tournament or later on. He wanted to build his stack to play with it later and push people around, that's what you gotta do.
I would make the same move, or at least reraise all in. But with his all-in move on the flop EVERY HAND folds except AA/KK/QQ and the boat or quads of course.
insyder19 4 years ago
Matusow put him on jacks, tens, something that a 5bb raise would make sense with, so he shoved with a 15-outer, hoping to scare the opponent off his hand but not dead by any stretch. I REALLY like the play, given the read, just a bad read, but with a 5bb raise, I don't put someone on 4s either.
nitzwalsh86 4 years ago 2
Mike did have a straight draw.. not like he didn't have squat
GoNoles444 4 years ago
flush draw
osaMABUSh 4 years ago
Mattusow makes a lot of bad calls, sometimes he can read people right and go all in with nothing and win the pot, but most of the time he plays quite bad... Not to mention the guy is one of the most irritating poker players on earth, he talks so much shit and makes a complete idiot of himself on TV (Watch High stakes poker series)...
stealthy06 4 years ago
mike smove is just ecessive.....he's got 15 outs and he cant belive that his opponent hit the board...does he have a pair?? thats the only thing he's worried about...QUADS...thats full tilt....407 to 1 ....thanks to full tilt
dkouts7 4 years ago
f***in tool pushin on the draw no need 4 tht massive over raise!! a cd c y if he hit!!! man is full o sh*t!!!!
madmickey1986 4 years ago
gotta love ya marty...great commentary and i love your little videos...does FTP pay you to do this??
hockeyboy76 4 years ago
Matusow is a good player...i dont agree with all of your commentary here Marty...and Matusow raised pre flop...anyways....i think you have it out for Mike
demco84 4 years ago 5
Yes, I was corrected about the initial raise thanks. I love Mike - he is great for poker and creates a lot of interest!
TurtleKnife 4 years ago
SO u r saying mike was right to move in with ACC high lol okey good going
iioal 1 year ago
omg i paid any to see mikes faces at the moment he see the quads
kkk7hh 4 years ago
Mike was an underdog to alot more hands than 44, but after that flop guess he decided he prolly had 2 overs and and the flush draw and went with it.
rippa9 4 years ago
yet another bad play by the mouth...this guy makes way too many amateur mistakes...he plays somewhere in between a pro & an amateur....crazy shit
LEECH44 4 years ago
he could beat anything but 77, 44, A4, AA, KK, QQ.... cuz the caller was folding anything but those hands probably and mike could get a diamond against a pocket pair a pretty good semibluff
Agasajo 4 years ago
fair play the mouth is 1 unlucky bastard
mlythgoe1983 4 years ago
lol what a tool
StevenAG 4 years ago
What I might have folded AQ suited because the raise was so many times the big blind that pre-flop, the best thing I could hope for was being in a 50/50- situation. Post-flop I would call that all-in even with AK, bacuse I would guess he would check and let me do the betting if he had 77 or 44. If Mike had a big pair, he would probably re-raise pre-flop, because I raised 6 times the big blind, and that indicates I will call all-in pre-flop. Very unlucky flop for Mike, but bad play!
Krabbabel 4 years ago
I agree mike did overplay that hand, but with two diamonds on board, he is a favorite to any pair below QQ.
if the opponent had 33 Mike would be a great favorite. with maybe 9 diamonds to catch and 3 sevens and an Ace or a queen. he has a total of 18 outs, and as you can see his opponent did have a low pocket pair, in my suggesting that player really overplayed his little pair preflop. doesn`t matter what rule the books says, it depends of what the player has there and then.
Assassin546 4 years ago
what a fuckin cooler. Nobody gets away from that, even if they both check the flop like they're supposed to with their hands respectively.
IvanXDurham 4 years ago
ummm... No. A cooler is KKK over QQQ, or a straight flush over ace high flush, or maybe even boat over boat. It is def NOT quads over Ace high.
TurtleKnife 4 years ago
@TurtleKnife lol that is a cooler, y would that kid raise x5bb with 44 in middle position? I would of never put him on 44 or an unlikely 77, mike matusow was getting equity for his hand because of the chance of his opponent laying their hand down also mike matusow would of been ahead versus ak if the opponent didnt have the king of diamonds
TacoMaster07 1 year ago
I have to say Mike Matusow plays to aggresively many times, but in this scene, If I had AQ suited of diamonds, and the flop came. 7-4-4 with two diamonds, if your opponent has an overpair say 66-88, over even jacks, you are still! a favorite to win, you could catch a Ace high flush or hit one of your pairs. 16 outs that`s 64%! better than a coinflip
Assassin546 4 years ago
I understand what you are saying and most internet players would jump on this hand the way Mike did. However your math is not right here. If opponent has 88 then Mikes outs are 9 diamonds less the 8d and he also has to avoid the other 8 and the other 2 4s. This puts his odds slightly under even. You just wont see a player like Daniel Negreanu doing something like this and then saying he WAS the fav. Its not correct.
TurtleKnife 4 years ago
To all though respect, I am certain you are wrong, when a player has a pocketpair, it`s almost impossible to hit his other card after the flop. In this scene if your opponent has 88 with one diamond, yes you have 9 outs, but you still have 6 other outs, in catching an Ace or a queen. The same goes with the two 4 almost impossible to hit another four. with two cards to come, take 15*4 = 60%
Assassin546 4 years ago
Your out calculations are right I guess, but in this case do not translate to win odds which is what you are implying as there are a handfull of cards to avoid, including 8,8,4,4 and running 77! Add to this conundrum the fact that is Mike's BEST case scenario and throw in a good possibility Mike is drawing dead. He threw 4300 at a 900 pot with 40/80 blind, where at best he is a 49% fav after the flop.
TurtleKnife 4 years ago
That's correct, but Mike is the kind of player who wants to take chances, to build a massive stack that he can bully people with. It actually is pretty efficient. Either he wins the hand and adds a lot to his stack, or he busts out and can buy into another tourney immediately. So the pot odds don't tell the whole story here. Also, a 49% win rate is +EV considering the money that's already in the pot.
jeffw1267 4 years ago
Full Tilt Poker has a great calculator where yu can plug in these cards. Put 88 vs AdQd on that flop, and you will see it come out at 49%. That reflects the redraws, and the possibility (which was actually) Mike drawing dead to a boat or quads.
TurtleKnife 4 years ago
Hey Turtle!
I realize you posted this a year ago, but let me ask you something because I think your analysis of this hand is actually the best!
The key point that Mike has 15 outs but this is offset by his opp making a boat even if he hits a flush.(assuming he has 88)
So my question is Is there a way of calculating who is ahead?
(I tried 15 outs - 4 outs = 11 outs - so mike has 11 outs or a 44% chance but that doesn't work.)
Thanks Gordon (Toronto)
btw- Nice website maybe I'll subscribe...
gordml 3 years ago
He was pretty much screwed. He wouldn't have been able to get away from the turn, just about no one would.
cyborgsnakes 4 years ago
Blinds were 40/80. Mike bet 4300 into a 900 pot, strongly disagree with being able to get away from that!
TurtleKnife 4 years ago
I understand what you're saying, but Mike is such an aggressive player that he would have bet a lot on the turn even if he didn't on the flop. Plus, we've seen this move a lot before from Mike. If you look at High Stakes Poker, he's done it and gotten the best hand to fold (Daniel Alihei comes to mind. Mispelt, but you know what I'm saying). One thing is for sure, Mike plays much worse online than in real life.
cyborgsnakes 4 years ago
You are right. By his own admission he has lost 2.5 million inline.
TurtleKnife 4 years ago
you missed the fact that he also had a flush draw...but it doesnt matter, he still had no chance.
spekpoker 5 years ago
its not often when mike plays at his best but when he does, he is an excellent player. He has his blowups, such as this hand, but he is one of the best players around when he has his head in the game.
By the way...matusow was the one that made that insane raise preflop after everyone limped in. eastsideslim made the call and flopped quads. matusow would have lost money on this hand however he played it.
theotherrobert 5 years ago
I was under the impression Mike was in the big blind, and that the dude in middle position made the raise.
crazychigga 5 years ago
everyone who knows how to play poker knows that mike matusow is a joke. any kind of basic cold deck and he is toast. he says when he's hot, he's the best player. when anyone with a decent game is hot, they are often unbeatable. however, you dont judge your skills on only when youre running good. that would be stupid and mike matusow is stupid.
Smokey1424 5 years ago