The democrats will bankrupt the country. Last time I checked health insurance was about $700 a month. If I can buy health insurance at any time, without penalty, then I'll just wait till I'm really sick before buying health insurance. Till then, I'll just spend that $700 a month on pizza and beer.
And of course our highly efficient government bureaucracies, who never squander tax dollars, can be trusted to run health care as efficiently and as compassionately as they run the IRS.
Where in the bill does it say you can buy HC insurance & have the benefits retro-active?
You won't wait, because under the Bill everyone is required to have insurance. The principle is that everyone should have access to the HC system, so everyone should contribute. This video is nothing but a regurgitation of Republican anti-reform lies.
@megarational Schultz argued that no one would be denied insurance because of a pre existing condition. And in a 2,000 page bill that no one has read in full, how can you say with any credibility that the devil is not in the details?
And; If as you say;
"everyone is required to have insurance"
then it is not a public "option" and we are ALL condemned to the same Socialized health care that is a plague to the British and Canadians.
Preventing unfair discrimination in health care coverage, including disc. for gender or preexisting conditions - section 152 of the bill.
"Optional" means the option of public or private (though under the present bill too many people are excluded from being able to choose the public option).
I'm American but have also lived for decades in Canada. Nothing in the bill, no matter what you hear on the anti-reform propaganda videos, will give you a Cn'd or British system.
@megarational If you are arguing that we can still keep our private insurance then who is going to pay for insurance for the poor?
It will be paid for by confiscatory taxation (legalised robbery). How many people will be able to pay for private insurance for themselves AND a bloated, inefficient "public option" for the poor? Eventually, except for Bill Gates and Oprah, no one be able to afford private insurance.
Who is paying for the HC of the poor right now? YOU are. If they don't have insur. they have to use the most expensive form of HC delivery - the emergency room. If HC insur. can be made more affordable & then fewer people use the emergency room and more people buy a plan. If they buy a p[an, public or private, they are contributing something. Right now you pay the whole shot.
@megarational One reason health care is so expensive is the unfunded mandate that requires hospitals to provide health care for dead beats.
The cost is added to the bills of everyone dumb enough to actually pay for their health care. This raises the cost even more, tempting more people to be dead beats (this is a hospital killer).
Doctors now practice "Defensive Medicine" (ordering more tests than they really need) to avoid lawsuits which drives up premiums even more.
So if a person comes into the emergency ward mangled from an accident, check to ensue he has insurance b4 saving his life? I think you are finally really showing your true colors. Frankly if HC reform means sucking a few dollars from the pockets of a selfish self-centered slug like you, Im even more in favor of it.
So you are in endorse stealing. Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, Who would consent to indentured servitude to serve someone else's lusts?
The liberals who demand free health care are extremely selfish and self centred parasites, demanding that the world be handed to them on a platter and if they don't get it, they scream vile obscenities. Yet, these same people would never think of serving their country and earning their keep.
Regarding an accident victim being rejected by the emergency ward. Is it somehow better If hospitals are driven to extinction by dead beats? Has envy reached that level of brashness that we demand without shame that if I can't have it, then nobody can have it?
If YOU want dead beats accepted at hospitals then YOU should pay for it, and not force hospitals to drown in debt because of unfunded mandates.
Fewer people will be able to afford the skyrocketing premiums as it is. Premiums continue to rise average of $1500/yr, & will be $30,000 within a decade. There are measures in the bill to bend that curve downward, including focus on preventative care, advisory board to study efficiency of HC delivery methods, electronic records to eliminate duplicate procedures & tests, and a public option to put real competition into the HC insur. industry. Only GOP & insurance co. instilled fears delay it.
@megarational A public option will kill all competition in the insurance industry. Who can pay for both public and private health care.
Consider the terrible health care the Canadians and British have. waiting for months to see a specialist. If you have anything more serious than a cold, socialised medicine is death care.
I will fight the naked envy that promotes legalised robbery to make health care a right.
If a pub. option would drive private co.s out of business why hasnt it done so in any other nation? Every other advanced nation has gone to some form of public option (or UHC) AND private insurance options. Even Canada, with i UHC financing since the 1950s, has a healthy HC insurance industry. (Nothing in the bill would make the US system like that of Canadas). Why would anyone be so gullible as to believe that the US is the only country where the public option would kill private co.s?
$1,500 is over inflated. Unless you are suggesting hyper inflation reminiscent of the Weimar Republic, a $30,000 premium would never happen without absurd, and extremely artificial government manipulation.
The liberals are dogging very obvious and simple solutions such as tort reform and allowing health insurance companies to compete across state lines.
Pelosi and Reid can pretend they didn't lose last Tuesday but 2010 will hit them like a freight train.
Wow, isn't she just smug and pompous like any other liberal. Do these liberals truely believe in their marxist beliefs, or are they so brainwashed from being raised on gov't television and gov't schools that they actually think their insane marxist beliefs as anything but (and even pro-american)?
The democrats will bankrupt the country. Last time I checked health insurance was about $700 a month. If I can buy health insurance at any time, without penalty, then I'll just wait till I'm really sick before buying health insurance. Till then, I'll just spend that $700 a month on pizza and beer.
And of course our highly efficient government bureaucracies, who never squander tax dollars, can be trusted to run health care as efficiently and as compassionately as they run the IRS.
penguinistas 2 years ago
Where in the bill does it say you can buy HC insurance & have the benefits retro-active?
You won't wait, because under the Bill everyone is required to have insurance. The principle is that everyone should have access to the HC system, so everyone should contribute. This video is nothing but a regurgitation of Republican anti-reform lies.
megarational 2 years ago
@megarational Schultz argued that no one would be denied insurance because of a pre existing condition. And in a 2,000 page bill that no one has read in full, how can you say with any credibility that the devil is not in the details?
And; If as you say;
"everyone is required to have insurance"
then it is not a public "option" and we are ALL condemned to the same Socialized health care that is a plague to the British and Canadians.
penguinistas 2 years ago
Preventing unfair discrimination in health care coverage, including disc. for gender or preexisting conditions - section 152 of the bill.
"Optional" means the option of public or private (though under the present bill too many people are excluded from being able to choose the public option).
I'm American but have also lived for decades in Canada. Nothing in the bill, no matter what you hear on the anti-reform propaganda videos, will give you a Cn'd or British system.
megarational 2 years ago
@megarational If you are arguing that we can still keep our private insurance then who is going to pay for insurance for the poor?
It will be paid for by confiscatory taxation (legalised robbery). How many people will be able to pay for private insurance for themselves AND a bloated, inefficient "public option" for the poor? Eventually, except for Bill Gates and Oprah, no one be able to afford private insurance.
penguinistas 2 years ago
Who is paying for the HC of the poor right now? YOU are. If they don't have insur. they have to use the most expensive form of HC delivery - the emergency room. If HC insur. can be made more affordable & then fewer people use the emergency room and more people buy a plan. If they buy a p[an, public or private, they are contributing something. Right now you pay the whole shot.
megarational 2 years ago
@megarational One reason health care is so expensive is the unfunded mandate that requires hospitals to provide health care for dead beats.
The cost is added to the bills of everyone dumb enough to actually pay for their health care. This raises the cost even more, tempting more people to be dead beats (this is a hospital killer).
Doctors now practice "Defensive Medicine" (ordering more tests than they really need) to avoid lawsuits which drives up premiums even more.
penguinistas 2 years ago 2
So if a person comes into the emergency ward mangled from an accident, check to ensue he has insurance b4 saving his life? I think you are finally really showing your true colors. Frankly if HC reform means sucking a few dollars from the pockets of a selfish self-centered slug like you, Im even more in favor of it.
megarational 2 years ago
So you are in endorse stealing. Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, Who would consent to indentured servitude to serve someone else's lusts?
The liberals who demand free health care are extremely selfish and self centred parasites, demanding that the world be handed to them on a platter and if they don't get it, they scream vile obscenities. Yet, these same people would never think of serving their country and earning their keep.
penguinistas 2 years ago
Regarding an accident victim being rejected by the emergency ward. Is it somehow better If hospitals are driven to extinction by dead beats? Has envy reached that level of brashness that we demand without shame that if I can't have it, then nobody can have it?
If YOU want dead beats accepted at hospitals then YOU should pay for it, and not force hospitals to drown in debt because of unfunded mandates.
penguinistas 2 years ago
Fewer people will be able to afford the skyrocketing premiums as it is. Premiums continue to rise average of $1500/yr, & will be $30,000 within a decade. There are measures in the bill to bend that curve downward, including focus on preventative care, advisory board to study efficiency of HC delivery methods, electronic records to eliminate duplicate procedures & tests, and a public option to put real competition into the HC insur. industry. Only GOP & insurance co. instilled fears delay it.
megarational 2 years ago
@megarational A public option will kill all competition in the insurance industry. Who can pay for both public and private health care.
Consider the terrible health care the Canadians and British have. waiting for months to see a specialist. If you have anything more serious than a cold, socialised medicine is death care.
I will fight the naked envy that promotes legalised robbery to make health care a right.
penguinistas 2 years ago
If a pub. option would drive private co.s out of business why hasnt it done so in any other nation? Every other advanced nation has gone to some form of public option (or UHC) AND private insurance options. Even Canada, with i UHC financing since the 1950s, has a healthy HC insurance industry. (Nothing in the bill would make the US system like that of Canadas). Why would anyone be so gullible as to believe that the US is the only country where the public option would kill private co.s?
megarational 2 years ago
$1,500 is over inflated. Unless you are suggesting hyper inflation reminiscent of the Weimar Republic, a $30,000 premium would never happen without absurd, and extremely artificial government manipulation.
The liberals are dogging very obvious and simple solutions such as tort reform and allowing health insurance companies to compete across state lines.
Pelosi and Reid can pretend they didn't lose last Tuesday but 2010 will hit them like a freight train.
Hey Obama, Keep the change.
penguinistas 2 years ago
Another plan:
operationhealthfreedom. com
cmstyz 2 years ago
Wow, isn't she just smug and pompous like any other liberal. Do these liberals truely believe in their marxist beliefs, or are they so brainwashed from being raised on gov't television and gov't schools that they actually think their insane marxist beliefs as anything but (and even pro-american)?
ArchetypeX 2 years ago