It's too bad that a guy as talented as Hoff ended up with Louie. He got very strong at Westside. But, he also learned to do sloppy competition lifts and expect to get away with them. Plus, he had somebody to back him up when he cheated.
What Louie has done with Hoff is a great example of what he's done to powerlifting in the last 10 years. Everybody considers this guy a godsend to the sport. I consider it a curse.
Im a RAW lifter but I respect the SHIT out of any man that can put 1000lbs on his back, or 600 for that matter, suited or not, we all train hard... well most of us.
haha yeah i know. a lot of people are blinded by how much the gear actually gives on the squats and benches. he's definitely strong no doubt, but i'd be surprised if he could total 1900 in belt and wraps.. he'd have to squat around 700 belt and wraps, bench mid 400's raw and pull mid 700's raw.......the only way to find out is ask him or someone who knows him personally. i'd like to know too
@EricLilliebridge He's only 19 mate. How many people totally 1900 raw at 19? Give him a few years and it wouldn't surprise me if he could. I agree, though, alot of people don't see how much equipment can add if used properly and tuned well. But, really, even then, you're only as strong as you are raw. A guy benching 200 may only bench 300 in a shirt, and 300 is a pretty common raw lift these days. I would love to know what he does raw, though, too.
Actually the guy you are responding too, eric Lilliebridge, is over 2000 raw which is why he is checking the credibility of this guy. Eric is a freak.
With the way multi-ply powerlifting is, asking about someone's raw total is like asking what their best hammer throw is: it's a completely different sport at this point. Nothing wrong with that, but that's the way it is. I doubt Hoff or anyone at Westside has squatted anything over 500 raw in a long time just because they spend a lot of time in some amount of gear, even if it's only briefs.
@ptarleton If you watch their videos, they do alot of their training raw. The truth is, gear does, if used right, give you alot of carryover, but you're still only as strong as you are raw. If you can bench 600 in a shirt that you have perfectly tuned, you're probably benching 500 or so raw, maybe 450. I agree with you its a different sport, though. Thats why powerlifting only lets raw compete against raw, single ply against single, multi against multi.
I've seen the Westside Videos. I won't pretend to know exactly what their doing, but from everything I've read now adays they always squat in at least briefs. I remember seeing Wendler asked what his Raw Squat was when he Squatted 1000 at Westside and he said he had absolutly no idea but that he squatted 700X2 in briefs in training.
I'm not saying these guys aren't strong. And they do a lot of raw benching. Doesn't matter what you wear when you train as long as you win.
I think I've also read that back when Jim was at Westside, Squatted 1000, and did 700X2 in briefs he said that during training he only squatted in the mid 800s in a suit and didn't really go all out except at meets.
So that 700X2 in briefs probably wasn't done all out, and was probably done at the end of a DE Squat workout after doing 10 sets of speed squats.
I can see where you're coming from with the bench press.. but it wasn't as dramatic as you make it out to be. "Technically" it may appear that he "scooped" it.. but I think it just stopped, as opposed to going down and coming back up.
I don't agree about the deadlift. Maybe I'm missing something...?
Now you do. It's quite common for guys to deadlift in their squats suits- especially if it corresponds to the way they pull. Otherwise, they'll buy a deadlift suit.
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Really, I guess you do not understand the legitimacy of "raw" lifting vs. "enhancement"
lifitng. I do not know your background or athletic endeavors-but, "enhancement" lifting for me as a "raw" lifter, football player, sumo wrestler, is cheating.
You claim I am stupid-you are ignorant, untrained, inexperienced and lack sagacity.
You obviously are a typical internet lifter who has never lifted in gear. If you had, like I have, you'd know that neither raw nor geared lifting is more "legitimate" than the other. REAL raw competitors do not insult people who wear gear because they are too worried about training hard. Internet warriors like you who have never and will never compete are the ones who obsess about gear.
You're exactly right.. those who lift in gear don't bash those who don't- and those who don't lift in gear don't bash those that do. It's the turn that the sport has taken. You can choose which path to follow, neither being wrong- just a personal preference. Some even follow both- Hell, the fucking best ever follows both... Donnie Thompson can squat 900 out of a suit, and 1150 in one- but he does it for the love of the sport.
Exactly. He doesn't have the "need" that we do. The need to be as strong as we can be; geared or raw. Since using gear is "cheating" how about those of you that criticize it put some gear on and total what other geared lifters (like Hoff) do? Because you can't. Most raw lifters that complain about gear aren't that strong and are looking for an excuse to not be strong. Do you think that geared lifters don't realize that gear puts more weight on? That's why they do it; to push as hard as they can.
his lifts will still be very high. you dont simply put on a suit and are automatically strong. you have to train with them. some suits add maybe 100-200 pounds maybe even more if you know how to use them well
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curt2398 1 year ago
It's too bad that a guy as talented as Hoff ended up with Louie. He got very strong at Westside. But, he also learned to do sloppy competition lifts and expect to get away with them. Plus, he had somebody to back him up when he cheated.
What Louie has done with Hoff is a great example of what he's done to powerlifting in the last 10 years. Everybody considers this guy a godsend to the sport. I consider it a curse.
curt2398 1 year ago
Don't get your feeling hurt ,but from here it was high not real high ,but high, Great lift extreme weight,but high Sorry!!!!
powerful1677 1 year ago
Geared vs. RAW is apples and oranges.
Im a RAW lifter but I respect the SHIT out of any man that can put 1000lbs on his back, or 600 for that matter, suited or not, we all train hard... well most of us.
Russaldo13 1 year ago
so much controversy in powerlifting, not good
spartan1893 1 year ago
i wonder what his raw total is
vikingpower392 2 years ago
haha yeah i know. a lot of people are blinded by how much the gear actually gives on the squats and benches. he's definitely strong no doubt, but i'd be surprised if he could total 1900 in belt and wraps.. he'd have to squat around 700 belt and wraps, bench mid 400's raw and pull mid 700's raw.......the only way to find out is ask him or someone who knows him personally. i'd like to know too
EricLilliebridge 2 years ago
I think you're definitely stronger raw!
abbcccxyyzzz 2 years ago
@EricLilliebridge He's only 19 mate. How many people totally 1900 raw at 19? Give him a few years and it wouldn't surprise me if he could. I agree, though, alot of people don't see how much equipment can add if used properly and tuned well. But, really, even then, you're only as strong as you are raw. A guy benching 200 may only bench 300 in a shirt, and 300 is a pretty common raw lift these days. I would love to know what he does raw, though, too.
omfgapolarbear 2 years ago
Actually the guy you are responding too, eric Lilliebridge, is over 2000 raw which is why he is checking the credibility of this guy. Eric is a freak.
jlinteris 2 years ago
With the way multi-ply powerlifting is, asking about someone's raw total is like asking what their best hammer throw is: it's a completely different sport at this point. Nothing wrong with that, but that's the way it is. I doubt Hoff or anyone at Westside has squatted anything over 500 raw in a long time just because they spend a lot of time in some amount of gear, even if it's only briefs.
ptarleton 2 years ago
@ptarleton If you watch their videos, they do alot of their training raw. The truth is, gear does, if used right, give you alot of carryover, but you're still only as strong as you are raw. If you can bench 600 in a shirt that you have perfectly tuned, you're probably benching 500 or so raw, maybe 450. I agree with you its a different sport, though. Thats why powerlifting only lets raw compete against raw, single ply against single, multi against multi.
omfgapolarbear 2 years ago
I've seen the Westside Videos. I won't pretend to know exactly what their doing, but from everything I've read now adays they always squat in at least briefs. I remember seeing Wendler asked what his Raw Squat was when he Squatted 1000 at Westside and he said he had absolutly no idea but that he squatted 700X2 in briefs in training.
I'm not saying these guys aren't strong. And they do a lot of raw benching. Doesn't matter what you wear when you train as long as you win.
ptarleton 2 years ago
@ptarleton Damn straight man.
Truth be told, I'm betting Wendler could squat 700 raw if he trained up to it for a few months.
omfgapolarbear 2 years ago
I think I've also read that back when Jim was at Westside, Squatted 1000, and did 700X2 in briefs he said that during training he only squatted in the mid 800s in a suit and didn't really go all out except at meets.
So that 700X2 in briefs probably wasn't done all out, and was probably done at the end of a DE Squat workout after doing 10 sets of speed squats.
ptarleton 2 years ago
What a fucking ass clown.
diesel7777777 2 years ago
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resistance156 2 years ago
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diesel7777777, I hope you're not referring to David.
resistance156 2 years ago
No. No, I'm referring to that OTHER guy who tried to pass a 3-board press off as a legitimate bench press.
diesel7777777 2 years ago
I dont care if this kid is on a hundred needles a day or what federation hes in or any bull like that.
That is STRONG as hell!
muscleturtle 2 years ago
fuck that.. that is rediculous... wow
Chaoutzu 2 years ago
MONSTERERR HOLY DAMNN speechless for a 19 yr old
TheXterminator357 3 years ago
SHOWING GROVETUCKY STILL IS THE BEST
suburbankilla 3 years ago
yes tru westside has its perks but lexens the way to go.DAN DA SEXY MAN
suburbankilla 3 years ago
damn ur 19 year old man...u can catch up to where kennly is at
datricanboul 3 years ago
Don't kid yourself.
ElPorteroBestia 3 years ago
AWESOME
WHG4661 3 years ago
his support gear is umconfortable and restricting, if ya know what i'm talking about
marchtenors4life 3 years ago
how much does he weigh
raider75alljesus 3 years ago
I can see where you're coming from with the bench press.. but it wasn't as dramatic as you make it out to be. "Technically" it may appear that he "scooped" it.. but I think it just stopped, as opposed to going down and coming back up.
I don't agree about the deadlift. Maybe I'm missing something...?
ElPorteroBestia 4 years ago
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To much Equipment, only 1cm way down...
RAW RULEZ
runnerbaba 4 years ago
fucking greAt, you are an example that westside rules!
alideutscher 4 years ago
id really like to know if hes natural just to know
peacemaker2110 4 years ago
he's not
interman2 4 years ago
far out those are some decent lifts hahaha.
kwgriff78 4 years ago
I never saw anyone dl in a squat suit
raider75alljesus 4 years ago
Then you've never seen a powerlifting meet.
ElPorteroBestia 4 years ago
im a bencher ive never been to an unlimeted full meet i do raw full meets
raider75alljesus 4 years ago
Well, then seeing you didn't know-
Now you do. It's quite common for guys to deadlift in their squats suits- especially if it corresponds to the way they pull. Otherwise, they'll buy a deadlift suit.
ElPorteroBestia 4 years ago
Strong SOB for sure. LOL at 1:45. "BUTT FUCK!"
samw4488 4 years ago
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If the lifter is natural-congratulations
Observation: He wears knee wraps, a bench shirt, a super suit, should he not wear those "enhancers" what will his lifts be?
thew47 4 years ago
Observation: you are stupid.
PublickStews 4 years ago
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Really, I guess you do not understand the legitimacy of "raw" lifting vs. "enhancement"
lifitng. I do not know your background or athletic endeavors-but, "enhancement" lifting for me as a "raw" lifter, football player, sumo wrestler, is cheating.
You claim I am stupid-you are ignorant, untrained, inexperienced and lack sagacity.
thew47 4 years ago
You obviously are a typical internet lifter who has never lifted in gear. If you had, like I have, you'd know that neither raw nor geared lifting is more "legitimate" than the other. REAL raw competitors do not insult people who wear gear because they are too worried about training hard. Internet warriors like you who have never and will never compete are the ones who obsess about gear.
PublickStews 4 years ago 13
Great comment. That guy is a fucking idiot.
You're exactly right.. those who lift in gear don't bash those who don't- and those who don't lift in gear don't bash those that do. It's the turn that the sport has taken. You can choose which path to follow, neither being wrong- just a personal preference. Some even follow both- Hell, the fucking best ever follows both... Donnie Thompson can squat 900 out of a suit, and 1150 in one- but he does it for the love of the sport.
ElPorteroBestia 4 years ago
Exactly. He doesn't have the "need" that we do. The need to be as strong as we can be; geared or raw. Since using gear is "cheating" how about those of you that criticize it put some gear on and total what other geared lifters (like Hoff) do? Because you can't. Most raw lifters that complain about gear aren't that strong and are looking for an excuse to not be strong. Do you think that geared lifters don't realize that gear puts more weight on? That's why they do it; to push as hard as they can.
JobforaQuinnBoy1 1 year ago
his lifts will still be very high. you dont simply put on a suit and are automatically strong. you have to train with them. some suits add maybe 100-200 pounds maybe even more if you know how to use them well
mugen45 4 years ago
great job. On secont attempt on bench pres, welkro on wrist band pop and that wasn't ruin your concentration. WOW!
Thumbs up!
powerm500 4 years ago
shit you even look like a mini andy bolton :)
Seb3k 4 years ago 6
you are a fucking freak
pbaquicky 4 years ago