An "athletic" performance with smaller orchestra. It's a bit too fast at times for my taste, slower Tempo add more gravitas to this piece. But it May be nearer to what could be heard at Beethoven's times.
Max Reger dirigierte seinerzeit auch die Eroica mit den Meiningern...genauer gesagt: er hat genau einen Schlag zu Beginn des Stückes gegeben,,,,,,,,,,,danach hat er sich ins Publikum gesetzt UND ZUGEHÖRT!!! Sowas würde ich heute mal von einem Dirigenten sehen wollen!!!!
The most beautiful thing is that it takes so many people to do this and they all have to be perfect together. So many very different forms of music are wonderful but the orchestra is something else.
can never understand halls that have patrons sitting in back of the orchestra; must be distracting for orchstra---and does the sound suffer by not having a wall to thrust it ou???
This is the shittiest performance of this piece I have ever heard. It's like they are racing to get to the end and the dynamics of the individual instruments is much too loud when they have a main theme.
i have to force myself to reach for the toscanini record because to me weingartner is GOD when it come to brahms, beethoven and mozart (in a tie with beecham on the mozart) for some strange reason toscanini the italian gets me most doing the germanic wagner stuff...and pictures at an exhibition. and he is untouchable with verdi and rossini
i'm mighty picky about how i want to hear this performed. This is very good, doesn't make me want to go running for my weingartner or tosconini records....sound quality is superb !
His interpretation of this piece is probably the best out there. His conducting itself explains what the piece is in it's self. And no finer orchestra setup or recording of this piece out there
His interpretation of this piece is probably the best out there. His conducting itself explains what the piece is in it's self. And no finer orchestra setup or recording of this piece out there
A high school viola player finds a genie in the bottle. He gets 3 wishes. First he wishes to be a better violist. The genie makes him good enough to play in the New York Philharmonic. His second wish, he wants to be an EVEN BETTER violist. He becomes a world renowned soloist and is accepted as the best viola player to ever live. His last wish, he wants to be even BETTER. Now he plays second violin in his high school orchestra.
After reading about Napoleon I can see why Beethoven would dedicate this symphony to him. A quote I see attributed to Napoleon about absolute power corrupts absolutely is ironic. Still, considering all of the progress that he made in Europe it is sad that the way he became towards the end has lead to the negative judgement that people hav of him today.
@cakoley controversial characters are the most fascinating, not good not bad, everybody is like Beethoven, wondering what kind of being is Bonaparte...
This symphony reflects Beethoven's life and inner being. This is happy at the beegginging, but falls into a dark state, as in life, you start out cheerful, but you have a point in which you fall into a dark place. Like the music, you recover, but the experience and memory of that down point still stay.
This is the best classical work ever made. Beethovens 1st movement 3 sympony is outstandig. I have listened to this work more than 100 times, but never get tired. This is not the best version I have heard, but still its wonderfulll to listen to.
The conductor is probably the single most important figure in the orchestra. He keeps the tempo and rhythm, cues different members to play their part, brings out the colour and life to the piece. Of course, in a small ensemble, like a string quartet, a conductor is not needed, but for music of such great proportions, the conductor is absolutely essential in the orchestral performance.
I am so glad I belong to the group of people who like classical music. Think of what the rest are missing ! I have a son that is 14 and I am so proud that I have learnt him to like the classical stuff. And this music that is here is about as good as classical music can get, even thought there are some better performances of this movement.
Mr. Järvi seems to be fierce guy ;-) But he keeps everything energetic and ... in a flow despite Beethoven's sharp changes in tempo. This ability is more important than chosing the "right" tempo (which doesn't exist anyway). Great performance!
Personally I like Karajan better, even though this also is pretty good. Anywhay, this is the best symhony and movement Beethoven ever made. Number 2 is the second movement of this symphony.
@rkj1963 The best record of this 1st movement is Erich Kleiber with the Vienna Philharmonic. This version has no power, no passion, only speed, but is still astonishingly accurate. Compare at 5'30" to 8'50". Kleiber combines everything you can dream on.
Long time voyeur of youtube...finally created an account and I am glad that my first comment is to this masterpiece. Beethoven was a beast. Such a powerful and emotional symphony.
This is dumb, but when I was in college, my roommate and I baked a cake for Beethoven on his birthday and swore that by the next morning, there was a bite taken out of it (lol).
@batesisbeast the conductor dictates the tempo and also interprets the piece how he would like it such as how fast some sections of the piece are. He also helps the players keep up and be in time with each other. Though in some smaller chamber groups a conductor is not present and the players conduct themselves.
@batesisbeast Additionally, the conductor also chooses who plays the leading voices and how loud stuff has to be. If you want to compare it, the conductor of an orchestra or a big band is similar to the director in movies and the players are the actors.
@batesisbeast Additionally, the conductor also chooses who plays the leading voices and how loud stuff has to be. If you want to compare it, the conductor of an orchestra or a big band is similar to the director in movies and the players are the actors.
@MrYarost I think the 7th is his greatest too. Then it's the 5th, then I'm undecided (the 4th, 8th, 9th, 3rd especially although the 1st, 2nd and 6th are great as well).
The Great Karajan is great too, but there is a grooviness in Beethoven he hardly ever realizes. Even worse is Bernstein who makes every bar into its own little piece.
Especially this movement with it's many syncopations lives from a clear metrum.
When played right, it is incredibly approachable and direct, without any pretension.
The moment I hear this symphony, I hear Beethoven's greatness. Almost no orchestra can make a mess of this. It is difficult to prevent Beethoven's power from seeping in...no matter what Tchaikovsky, Brahms, Mahler, Schoenberg or Bernstein wrote, this symphony is clearly a masterpiece and will compare to any one of them...surpass them even...it is just greatness. Not merely genius or cleverness, but greatness.
@Jitpring You do understand that it takes great performers and conductors to breath life into this music, don't you? Without them, the music is of no use to anyone.
@Jitpring I'm curious as to why you listen to music. To me, the worth of this music IS determined by its utility in providing happiness, pleasure, and intellectual/emotional fulfillment, and the actual sonic element is essential to that. You go ahead and have fun playing the music in your own head, the rest of us would like to actually HEAR the score. By the way, the only reason you CAN engage in this mental masturbation is because someone got an orchestra together and played the damn piece.
@Jitpring "You really need to evolve." You really need to suck my fat, hairy cock. If your not going to elaborate, I'll just assume you don't have anything intelligent or constructive to say. I'd say that's a safe assumption. By the way, I don't believe for a second you have the ability to play a score in your own head, certainly not one you've never heard before. Have fun being a condescending blowhard. And what the fuck is this "wrongo bongo" shit? You sound like a retarded 4 year old.
the good thing about this recording is jaarvi takes a chamber music approach to the piece, if you lesten to it you can hear the difference between the different instruments and even the difference between one group of instruments, rather than everyone just going for it and just hearing a mass of sound
When I came into the room and heard this I thought: "Oh, that must be Herbie conducting". Wow, was I wrong, or was I? Jarvi is great, too! Between shaping the air with energy and pacing the orchestral tempo like an undistracted buddhist monk I see can acutually "see" Janvi and Karajan cracking the ever so slight and knowing smile. Nice.
he looks like he's shaping the music with his hands, half the time he's only vaguely waving his hands, but you can see him curving his hands like he's trying to grab the music as if it were tangible. it's a brilliant way to conduct in my opinion, but it must be desperately tricky to read for the symphony or anyone who's not used to his unique style.
23danb - Music is open to interpretation so I can't tell you you're wrong but I have to disagree. Karajan's symphonies have magic and so much attention to the details that no one else has had over the years.
Speechless,, If I were to listen to this piece without knowing who was conducting it, I would have guessed Herbert von karajan,,, Paavo's tempos are so down right, its spooky. I must confess that when it comes to Beethoven, I'm a Karajan fan through and through, but his guy won my truly admiration.
say anyone whatever they might, but i have heard many many interpretations of this piece, and i personally i can argue with anyone that this is a much better interpretation and performance that any of Karajan's.
It's not like Karajan's interpretations were highly personal, throughout his life he demanded everything be played exactly as it was written, tempo was always constant within the phrases, no rubato, no 'talking' articulation. From the 60s on he began smoothing out the sound, letting all notes ring out longer than they should, until everything blurred into a single orchestral melody. He got faster and mushier as he aged, people mistake that for 'personality'. Anyways, this is a great reading.
@23danb ...agree with you as this is a far superior performance of the Eroica than any of Karajan's, although L Bernstein's with The Vienna Phil. is equally good. sd goh (malaysia)
With respect, can you not see when Karajan conducts that he makes it all about himself. His body language is saying "Look at me (ME) conducting this marvellous music"?
Yes he was good, but it became worse as he got older, he allowed his ego to get in the way. A very un-pretty sight.
Any conductor should be transparent and as invisible as possible when performing great works. It's the music we want to hear and not the reverberations of their character / personality.
He didn't do that, he smothered himself over the performances. Have you not heard it said that in the later years, it was all about Karajan, reflect on this if you would understand. I'm not miserly about what he contributed, he was very good, very very good. But , well, BUT!
Beethoven's music is too special to be drowned in 'Personality'.
i see your point, but were so many others not the same way? others whom people would never speak of like that. it seems like karajan gets the short end of the stick.
Yes you are right. I think the psychology behind it is: Karajan was probably the best interpreter/performer/conductor to come along for a long time. Then when he 'went to seed' so to speak, everyone felt let down and dissapointed. So they/we/ me included began to bark at his heels for not keeping up to scratch. And when other conductors came along with a cleaner style we magnified our dislike of the poor bloke.
i only really ever actually listen to it, unless i'm at a concert or something or other i'm not going to watch the performance. maybe that has something to do with it...
Of course, Karajan was (and is) the BEST, but ins't the only maestro in the world, Järvi know how lead the orchestra! and Järvi is the best to lead 5th of Beethoven, in my opinion³
I belive that the next Karajan is Paavo. Have you seen the complete interpretation of Beethoven´s nine symphonys by Paavo. He leads very good the orchestra.
@GhuToB Karajan was kinda a jerk though. I mean, every instance of him conducting in the films produced by the Berlin Phil has the camera trained on him, when the musicians are the one doing the work. He has even had esteemed soloists play incredible works, and still, the cameras were focused on him, from what I understand, by his demand. I don't deny his prowess as a conductor, but I believe it pays to be a good person first, and an excellent musician second.
The Eroica, next to the Choral, is truly the GREATEST symphony ever composed and to think that that egomaniac Napolean was its original inspiration. sd goh (malaysia)
molto bella questa interpretazione, ha un'area più leggera(a parte il fatto della velocità) pero è molto chiara e non si lascia portare dalle solite registrazioni
I personally like the version with Barenboim and Staatskapelle Berlin. This is the first time when I listen to Deutsche Kammerphilharmonie but I don't think that this orchestra is one of the best in Germany. The Beethoven symphonies are great with Abbado and Berliner to. All the best
This performance is in stark contrast to the one by Otto Klemperer (here on youtube). While Klemperer's is terribly slow, this one is a bit too up-tempo, IMO.
I think a very important thing they have in common is care over accented notes, sforzandos, etc. In spite of slow tempos, this is why Klemperer's reading comes alive.
A great interpretation of a revolutionary work (my favourite Beethoven symp)to rank alongside those of Toscanini's, Klemperer's and Bernstein's. The only snag here is the booming resonance of the hall. sd goh (malaysia)
It's definitely not as good as Karajan's recording, although it isn't at all bad. It's good, but not great. Listen to Furtwangler. You'll appreciate him a lot more.
The music just flys off the page
Huddiethegreat 2 weeks ago
An "athletic" performance with smaller orchestra. It's a bit too fast at times for my taste, slower Tempo add more gravitas to this piece. But it May be nearer to what could be heard at Beethoven's times.
flippert0 4 weeks ago
@flippert0 Good comment. I agree totally.
sakkiemekok 3 weeks ago
Does anyone know where I can find this on DVD? It's extraordinary.
GeetarTennis 1 month ago in playlist Classical
Max Reger dirigierte seinerzeit auch die Eroica mit den Meiningern...genauer gesagt: er hat genau einen Schlag zu Beginn des Stückes gegeben,,,,,,,,,,,danach hat er sich ins Publikum gesetzt UND ZUGEHÖRT!!! Sowas würde ich heute mal von einem Dirigenten sehen wollen!!!!
hgw0601 1 month ago
Now that's what I call a conductor!
koyunbaba73 1 month ago
I watch this every day...
CrogBear 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos 3
The most beautiful thing is that it takes so many people to do this and they all have to be perfect together. So many very different forms of music are wonderful but the orchestra is something else.
shaunfortune 2 months ago 3
the conductor is a TROLL
arlongan 2 months ago
@arlongan lol
kevinqa 2 months ago
@arlongan Paavo Jarvi is a beast.
goostmaster 1 month ago
I didn't know Putin was so good at conducting Beethoven!
Sgtpeterenis 2 months ago 3
can never understand halls that have patrons sitting in back of the orchestra; must be distracting for orchstra---and does the sound suffer by not having a wall to thrust it ou???
windstorm1000 3 months ago
@windstorm1000
Walls are the cause of noise (echo). Many layers of soft curtains made of thin woven wools is better, that eliminates echo.
CT6Flags 2 months ago
WoW Vladimer Putin can conduct ! :)
rawautube 3 months ago 2
This is the shittiest performance of this piece I have ever heard. It's like they are racing to get to the end and the dynamics of the individual instruments is much too loud when they have a main theme.
Tom David
Minneapolis
TomDavid88 3 months ago
seriously though - beautiful obviously :)
habana999 3 months ago 2
is this guy a vicar?
habana999 3 months ago 2
I'll let you 9 dislikes off the hook if your reason is because the brass is too loud.
Mdzzl5 3 months ago
this was written for napoleon.
pkendall19 4 months ago
Very modern interpretation of this symphony. The tempo is brisk; the sound of each part is clear and articulate.
notaire2 4 months ago
the mighty EROICA!!!!!
ferox965 5 months ago
that's a fair bit faster than my orchestra played it! Awesome 1.53 :O
Screenager9211 5 months ago
@Screenager9211 I prefer my Eroica slower than this performance...still it's nice, but too fast
jscott1000 4 months ago
i have to force myself to reach for the toscanini record because to me weingartner is GOD when it come to brahms, beethoven and mozart (in a tie with beecham on the mozart) for some strange reason toscanini the italian gets me most doing the germanic wagner stuff...and pictures at an exhibition. and he is untouchable with verdi and rossini
LanceHelmut 5 months ago
me encanta el juego de vientos en el 1:30
Ja31416 5 months ago
my dad thought this was the "erotica" symphony -___-
Mizzles240 5 months ago 6
Vladimir Putin is conducting Beethoven's third symphony; your argument is invalid.
parodycreator25 5 months ago 3
I didn't appreciate most of this symphony until I heard this video.
lawrencemccreery 5 months ago
@lawrencemccreery You realy can hear videos?!
AlmosBoros 5 months ago
@AlmosBoros Well, I think I can. Perception is subjective, but try clicking the "Play" button and see what happens. Maybe you'll hear it too!
lawrencemccreery 5 months ago
@AlmosBoros lame attempt at wit
zarganoth87 3 months ago
Hot damn, do I love this piece of music. :-)
janiscortese 5 months ago
The sound is amazingly pure and the tempo is ideally precise. I wish I could listen to the whole performance of the 1st. movement.
notaire2 5 months ago
i'm mighty picky about how i want to hear this performed. This is very good, doesn't make me want to go running for my weingartner or tosconini records....sound quality is superb !
LanceHelmut 5 months ago
@LanceHelmut Even the cough heard at Toscanini's 0:04 performance is beautiful.
supraludwick83 5 months ago
This is how it was interpreted in Beethoven's day.
pointreyes6 6 months ago 3
He won already for the first two chords.
koushirou 6 months ago 18
oh man ... if I could ever conduct this, this is how I would do it!!! What great stickwork! I love his face, too; he's loving it! Just perfect tempo.
Arch5280 7 months ago
I just love this symphony!
cgjr91 7 months ago
Certainement beaucoup plus "fin" que son père (Neeme) !
nelassov 7 months ago
I find instrumental orchestra members to be geniuses How do you:
1.Play the instrument?
2. Keep your eye on the conductor?
3. Check if you have the correct volume?
4.and Check to see if your tempo is correct?
All at the same Time!
MelanTheCholeric 7 months ago 4
Like I;M SOME KINDA meggah, GENIUS or sumppin'...
MrDirtyratmiller 8 months ago
This is breath takingly beutiful......... I'm hooked..... I NEED to listen to it one m0:00re time
=)
DudeGasim101 8 months ago 23
Absolutely wonderful interpretation of such a great piece. Awe inspiring.
JonathanFBock 8 months ago
y does someone have to cough
mayflower285 8 months ago
His interpretation of this piece is probably the best out there. His conducting itself explains what the piece is in it's self. And no finer orchestra setup or recording of this piece out there
cap2semperfi 8 months ago
His interpretation of this piece is probably the best out there. His conducting itself explains what the piece is in it's self. And no finer orchestra setup or recording of this piece out there
cap2semperfi 8 months ago
I swear to god you could simply watch Jarvi's conducting here without audio and hear the music
Drewb18c1 8 months ago 3
imo the greatest symphony by Beethoven...after the 9th...but I like how it's not over 1 hr.
dalecampbl8 8 months ago
love the finger thing at 3:15
metstudioversions 8 months ago
A high school viola player finds a genie in the bottle. He gets 3 wishes. First he wishes to be a better violist. The genie makes him good enough to play in the New York Philharmonic. His second wish, he wants to be an EVEN BETTER violist. He becomes a world renowned soloist and is accepted as the best viola player to ever live. His last wish, he wants to be even BETTER. Now he plays second violin in his high school orchestra.
thumbs up
Mizzles240 9 months ago
great music !!!
knazbagrat 9 months ago
HYVÄ PAAVO!
EliasJordan3 9 months ago
Go Karajan
paramorerandomness 9 months ago
After reading about Napoleon I can see why Beethoven would dedicate this symphony to him. A quote I see attributed to Napoleon about absolute power corrupts absolutely is ironic. Still, considering all of the progress that he made in Europe it is sad that the way he became towards the end has lead to the negative judgement that people hav of him today.
cakoley 9 months ago
@cakoley controversial characters are the most fascinating, not good not bad, everybody is like Beethoven, wondering what kind of being is Bonaparte...
lightnessss 9 months ago
Having to do an analysis on this thing jus ruins the music, its supposed to be an amazing piece of music
alonsokate 9 months ago
This symphony reflects Beethoven's life and inner being. This is happy at the beegginging, but falls into a dark state, as in life, you start out cheerful, but you have a point in which you fall into a dark place. Like the music, you recover, but the experience and memory of that down point still stay.
rudynotthemovie 10 months ago
This is the best classical work ever made. Beethovens 1st movement 3 sympony is outstandig. I have listened to this work more than 100 times, but never get tired. This is not the best version I have heard, but still its wonderfulll to listen to.
rkj1963 10 months ago
what is the purpose of conducting ? they are all looking at their paper...
lightnessss 10 months ago
@lightnessss
The conductor is probably the single most important figure in the orchestra. He keeps the tempo and rhythm, cues different members to play their part, brings out the colour and life to the piece. Of course, in a small ensemble, like a string quartet, a conductor is not needed, but for music of such great proportions, the conductor is absolutely essential in the orchestral performance.
SirSebastianWang 9 months ago
@SirSebastianWang ok thank you sir
lightnessss 9 months ago
:42 skip the applause
bumblebeesrulebzzz12 10 months ago 3
I am so glad I belong to the group of people who like classical music. Think of what the rest are missing ! I have a son that is 14 and I am so proud that I have learnt him to like the classical stuff. And this music that is here is about as good as classical music can get, even thought there are some better performances of this movement.
rkj1963 10 months ago 2
@rkj1963 i'm young but i love classical music! good thing u influenced ur son ^^
murrue02 10 months ago
Mr. Järvi seems to be fierce guy ;-) But he keeps everything energetic and ... in a flow despite Beethoven's sharp changes in tempo. This ability is more important than chosing the "right" tempo (which doesn't exist anyway). Great performance!
flippert0 11 months ago
When did Vladimir Putin begin conducting?
galt987 11 months ago 3
Personally I like Karajan better, even though this also is pretty good. Anywhay, this is the best symhony and movement Beethoven ever made. Number 2 is the second movement of this symphony.
rkj1963 11 months ago
@rkj1963 The best record of this 1st movement is Erich Kleiber with the Vienna Philharmonic. This version has no power, no passion, only speed, but is still astonishingly accurate. Compare at 5'30" to 8'50". Kleiber combines everything you can dream on.
cantkeepitin 11 months ago
Talk about getting into the music :)
duff1018 11 months ago
Long time voyeur of youtube...finally created an account and I am glad that my first comment is to this masterpiece. Beethoven was a beast. Such a powerful and emotional symphony.
DoctorStefano 11 months ago
Paavo Järvi and the orchestra are amazing!!!!....thank you very much!!!. So favourite. Cheers!!!, Sergio.
profesorsergio 11 months ago
8.43.... just amazing
willgriff888 11 months ago
You know you're a good musician when they practically have to glue you to your chair for fear of getting up and dancing while you play! ;)
JWrightA2Z 11 months ago
better than reason
rollingcube 11 months ago
Devo dizer... senti exactamente o que o Beethoven quis transmitir só com esta parte: a exaltação do herói romântico
Fantástico!
mattieliza 11 months ago
Compare with v=Q8LVbNqPFu8&t=0m55s (Mozart's Bastien und Bastienne overture). Interesting!
bmh4d0k3n 11 months ago
Que belleza alucinante, me transporta instantáneamente...
AyahuaskaPop 1 year ago
This is dumb, but when I was in college, my roommate and I baked a cake for Beethoven on his birthday and swore that by the next morning, there was a bite taken out of it (lol).
Elainelps0421 1 year ago
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Huddiethegreat 1 year ago 47
@Huddiethegreat I guess 13 people did ;)
LOTRzagorath 9 months ago
Too fast.
DoubleGauss 1 year ago
as someone who is not familiar with the interworkings of symphony will someone please explain the importance of the conductor
batesisbeast 1 year ago
@batesisbeast the conductor dictates the tempo and also interprets the piece how he would like it such as how fast some sections of the piece are. He also helps the players keep up and be in time with each other. Though in some smaller chamber groups a conductor is not present and the players conduct themselves.
bullrage74 1 year ago
@bullrage74 thank you, that was enlightening
batesisbeast 1 year ago
@batesisbeast He keeps us together...tempi, ensemble, phrasing, rubato, entrances, cutoffs....someone has to lead the group.
Elainelps0421 1 year ago
@batesisbeast Additionally, the conductor also chooses who plays the leading voices and how loud stuff has to be. If you want to compare it, the conductor of an orchestra or a big band is similar to the director in movies and the players are the actors.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
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@batesisbeast Additionally, the conductor also chooses who plays the leading voices and how loud stuff has to be. If you want to compare it, the conductor of an orchestra or a big band is similar to the director in movies and the players are the actors.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
Fantastic!
MrTenoriocavalcanti 1 year ago
@MrYarost I think the 7th is his greatest too. Then it's the 5th, then I'm undecided (the 4th, 8th, 9th, 3rd especially although the 1st, 2nd and 6th are great as well).
Nuker1337 1 year ago
@Nuker1337 I've played them all...they are all great in their own way.
Elainelps0421 1 year ago
ear orgasms 1:52 2:42 3:18
metstudioversions 1 year ago
Horrible interpretation
jonaestrada 1 year ago
OMG this is an awesome version of this piece. My personal favourite.
jocelynnn94 1 year ago
how could this get 4 thumbs down...? thanks for the upload, wonderful piece.
MQ1PredatorMC 1 year ago
The Great Karajan is great too, but there is a grooviness in Beethoven he hardly ever realizes. Even worse is Bernstein who makes every bar into its own little piece.
Especially this movement with it's many syncopations lives from a clear metrum.
When played right, it is incredibly approachable and direct, without any pretension.
I love this piece.
therealcubiksrube 1 year ago
I was actually watching this to practice for my conducting exam this Monday. (!)
I'm nervous enough as it is, but this conductor is truly amazing... He knows this music like the back of his hand.
IsThisSumBattleToads 1 year ago
Amazing!
kalsikum 1 year ago
there are soo many interpretations to this piece thats why its my favorite beethoven symphony movement
380371 1 year ago
Excellent interpretation!! though its a little fast for my taste.
In my opinion this is one of the greatest works Beethoven ever wrote.
pianoking53 1 year ago
The moment I hear this symphony, I hear Beethoven's greatness. Almost no orchestra can make a mess of this. It is difficult to prevent Beethoven's power from seeping in...no matter what Tchaikovsky, Brahms, Mahler, Schoenberg or Bernstein wrote, this symphony is clearly a masterpiece and will compare to any one of them...surpass them even...it is just greatness. Not merely genius or cleverness, but greatness.
physphilmusic 1 year ago 3
Very exquisite. Delicate and strict at the same time.
kaetanaa 1 year ago
Yes! Yes! A thousand times, Yes!!! This is the best I've ever witnessed in my 51 years on this earth!!! I can die a happy man now......
SordidGuy 1 year ago
@MrYarost Agreed! A thousand times, agreed!! Beethoven is infinitely cooler than any of these damned conductors!!!
Jitpring 1 year ago
@Jitpring You do understand that it takes great performers and conductors to breath life into this music, don't you? Without them, the music is of no use to anyone.
evolve749 1 year ago
@evolve749 Wrongo bongo. It's of great "use" (note your rank utilitarianism) to those of use who can read scores and play the music in our heads.
Jitpring 1 year ago
@Jitpring I'm curious as to why you listen to music. To me, the worth of this music IS determined by its utility in providing happiness, pleasure, and intellectual/emotional fulfillment, and the actual sonic element is essential to that. You go ahead and have fun playing the music in your own head, the rest of us would like to actually HEAR the score. By the way, the only reason you CAN engage in this mental masturbation is because someone got an orchestra together and played the damn piece.
evolve749 1 year ago
@evolve749 Wrongo bongo once again. You really need to evolve.
Jitpring 1 year ago
@Jitpring "You really need to evolve." You really need to suck my fat, hairy cock. If your not going to elaborate, I'll just assume you don't have anything intelligent or constructive to say. I'd say that's a safe assumption. By the way, I don't believe for a second you have the ability to play a score in your own head, certainly not one you've never heard before. Have fun being a condescending blowhard. And what the fuck is this "wrongo bongo" shit? You sound like a retarded 4 year old.
evolve749 1 year ago
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@evolve749 On all counts, wrongo bongo once again! By the way, out of the mouth comes the heart.
I bid you adieu.
Jitpring 1 year ago
@evolve749 Yet once again I must tell you: Wrongo bongo on all counts!
By the way, out of the mouth comes the heart.
I bid you adieu.
Jitpring 1 year ago
the good thing about this recording is jaarvi takes a chamber music approach to the piece, if you lesten to it you can hear the difference between the different instruments and even the difference between one group of instruments, rather than everyone just going for it and just hearing a mass of sound
jamesch230 1 year ago
When I came into the room and heard this I thought: "Oh, that must be Herbie conducting". Wow, was I wrong, or was I? Jarvi is great, too! Between shaping the air with energy and pacing the orchestral tempo like an undistracted buddhist monk I see can acutually "see" Janvi and Karajan cracking the ever so slight and knowing smile. Nice.
cieobt2 1 year ago
he looks like he's shaping the music with his hands, half the time he's only vaguely waving his hands, but you can see him curving his hands like he's trying to grab the music as if it were tangible. it's a brilliant way to conduct in my opinion, but it must be desperately tricky to read for the symphony or anyone who's not used to his unique style.
GREAT STUFF!!!
TheMyoozikMan 1 year ago
lovin me some 8:44... i only wish we could put the whole movement up in one take
yoseewails 1 year ago
23danb - Music is open to interpretation so I can't tell you you're wrong but I have to disagree. Karajan's symphonies have magic and so much attention to the details that no one else has had over the years.
sockmaister 1 year ago
Anyone but that fool Georg Solti
gimpternet 1 year ago
Speechless,, If I were to listen to this piece without knowing who was conducting it, I would have guessed Herbert von karajan,,, Paavo's tempos are so down right, its spooky. I must confess that when it comes to Beethoven, I'm a Karajan fan through and through, but his guy won my truly admiration.
oneradical 1 year ago
not sound, only colors... crazy!
jhonwica 1 year ago
Karajan was just... Karajan. He wasn't the worst. He wasn't the best... Wasn't he too... agressive, perhaps?
LBanchio 1 year ago 3
@LBanchio Greatest conductor of the century according to most people.
Nuker1337 1 year ago
I personally think that Karanjan's interpretation is the better of the two but this comes very close.
goodcommentguy 1 year ago
authenticity again..
Norrington....Zinman....Gardiner....and Paavo Järvi ..
yenhoho 2 years ago
hola bethoven
32389072 2 years ago
3:17 My favorite amazing that is class in the highest level
eastcoasterdeniro 2 years ago
simply amazing
goodrum04 3 years ago
paavo is king!
vitor54 3 years ago
the concertmaster is my prof,the guy sitting next to him is my orchester-stellen teaCHER )))) they r both amazing people !!!!
rachatlu 3 years ago
@rachatlu
lucky you! Excellent Eroica!
megjonaslove333 1 year ago
say anyone whatever they might, but i have heard many many interpretations of this piece, and i personally i can argue with anyone that this is a much better interpretation and performance that any of Karajan's.
23danb 3 years ago 37
I agree with that, Karajan was good but his ego-cloying interpretations were embarrassing.
Jaarvi is a clearer interpreter of the music without getting his own ego in the way.
Very very good.
A lot of people won't get this because they still enjoy personality.
Get the ego out of the way for a clearer vision of anything.
I'm waiting for Jaarvis recording of Ludwigs 9th.
It'll be interesting to see what he shows us that we haven't already seen.
bertubus 3 years ago
It's not like Karajan's interpretations were highly personal, throughout his life he demanded everything be played exactly as it was written, tempo was always constant within the phrases, no rubato, no 'talking' articulation. From the 60s on he began smoothing out the sound, letting all notes ring out longer than they should, until everything blurred into a single orchestral melody. He got faster and mushier as he aged, people mistake that for 'personality'. Anyways, this is a great reading.
Nachtmarchen 3 years ago
Make sure you check out Leibowitz', Scherchen's and Gielen's recordings of the Eroica as well if you dig Järvi's reading.
Nachtmarchen 3 years ago
heard it in live, the 9th. amazng, brilliant and perfect =)
Parsslider 2 years ago
@23danb ...agree with you as this is a far superior performance of the Eroica than any of Karajan's, although L Bernstein's with The Vienna Phil. is equally good. sd goh (malaysia)
301250 1 year ago
@23danb
I'm not disagreeing with you, but what would your argument be?
AstrumObtutus 1 year ago
they're really good :D
jaico11 3 years ago
beethoven is so good that he sucks. I don't know if that makes any sense.AMAZING
vargas4l 3 years ago 2
I can agree with that, I think you have something there! That comment really made me laugh
Beethoven is so good he deflects all criticism with a joke.
Who can touch him? Anyone who can't resonate to his vibration is a troll.
Effing marvellous!
And Jaarvi's expression is thunderously beautiful, He knocks Karajan and his sickly ego overcoat off his podium.
bertubus 3 years ago
why is everyone so against karajan? his recordings are soem of the best i've heard!
MillyProductions 2 years ago
With respect, can you not see when Karajan conducts that he makes it all about himself. His body language is saying "Look at me (ME) conducting this marvellous music"?
Yes he was good, but it became worse as he got older, he allowed his ego to get in the way. A very un-pretty sight.
Any conductor should be transparent and as invisible as possible when performing great works. It's the music we want to hear and not the reverberations of their character / personality.
No offense meant.
bertubus 2 years ago
i kind of always thought of that as him expressing his love for what he does, rather then trying so hard to grab everyone's attention.
MillyProductions 2 years ago
He didn't do that, he smothered himself over the performances. Have you not heard it said that in the later years, it was all about Karajan, reflect on this if you would understand. I'm not miserly about what he contributed, he was very good, very very good. But , well, BUT!
Beethoven's music is too special to be drowned in 'Personality'.
Perhaps no-one can emulate the composer.
bertubus 2 years ago
i see your point, but were so many others not the same way? others whom people would never speak of like that. it seems like karajan gets the short end of the stick.
MillyProductions 2 years ago
Yes you are right. I think the psychology behind it is: Karajan was probably the best interpreter/performer/conductor to come along for a long time. Then when he 'went to seed' so to speak, everyone felt let down and dissapointed. So they/we/ me included began to bark at his heels for not keeping up to scratch. And when other conductors came along with a cleaner style we magnified our dislike of the poor bloke.
Human nature I guess, very un-Beethovian.
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bertubus 2 years ago
I still like his performances and the Ninth symphony is brilliant, but unfortunately I hate to 'watch' it, it's best listened to.
Thanks for your comments.
bertubus 2 years ago
i only really ever actually listen to it, unless i'm at a concert or something or other i'm not going to watch the performance. maybe that has something to do with it...
MillyProductions 2 years ago
I agree, very powerful performances of Beethoven.
CSteveOboe88 2 years ago 3
I agree.
This performance's wonderful!
GhuToB 2 years ago 3
karajan had a way with the orchestra, that's certain.
MillyProductions 2 years ago
Of course, Karajan was (and is) the BEST, but ins't the only maestro in the world, Järvi know how lead the orchestra! and Järvi is the best to lead 5th of Beethoven, in my opinion³
HAHA
;)
GhuToB 2 years ago 18
I belive that the next Karajan is Paavo. Have you seen the complete interpretation of Beethoven´s nine symphonys by Paavo. He leads very good the orchestra.
mathiasalex69 1 year ago
@GhuToB Karajan was kinda a jerk though. I mean, every instance of him conducting in the films produced by the Berlin Phil has the camera trained on him, when the musicians are the one doing the work. He has even had esteemed soloists play incredible works, and still, the cameras were focused on him, from what I understand, by his demand. I don't deny his prowess as a conductor, but I believe it pays to be a good person first, and an excellent musician second.
cellotuba 8 months ago 4
This performance is as good as it gets!
logenisti 3 years ago 3
The Eroica, next to the Choral, is truly the GREATEST symphony ever composed and to think that that egomaniac Napolean was its original inspiration. sd goh (malaysia)
301250 3 years ago 2
great things for great people
motrilde 3 years ago 2
molto bella questa interpretazione, ha un'area più leggera(a parte il fatto della velocità) pero è molto chiara e non si lascia portare dalle solite registrazioni
jhonwica 3 years ago
God bless you tube
eastcoasterdeniro 4 years ago
I personally like the version with Barenboim and Staatskapelle Berlin. This is the first time when I listen to Deutsche Kammerphilharmonie but I don't think that this orchestra is one of the best in Germany. The Beethoven symphonies are great with Abbado and Berliner to. All the best
vladviolin 4 years ago
เยี่ยม.. excellently!!!!!!!
Rchybn1987 4 years ago
This performance is in stark contrast to the one by Otto Klemperer (here on youtube). While Klemperer's is terribly slow, this one is a bit too up-tempo, IMO.
yohannbiimu 4 years ago
I think a very important thing they have in common is care over accented notes, sforzandos, etc. In spite of slow tempos, this is why Klemperer's reading comes alive.
dyslexius 3 years ago
I've never heard such perfect sforzandos
thethikboy 4 years ago
A great interpretation of a revolutionary work (my favourite Beethoven symp)to rank alongside those of Toscanini's, Klemperer's and Bernstein's. The only snag here is the booming resonance of the hall. sd goh (malaysia)
301250 4 years ago
I think this is even better than the Karajan's recording of the 3rd, also on uTube.
superflumia 4 years ago
It's definitely not as good as Karajan's recording, although it isn't at all bad. It's good, but not great. Listen to Furtwangler. You'll appreciate him a lot more.
sab3156 4 years ago
I really, REALLY do not think the conductor will have anything to do with how good an orchestra sounds.
ThaSchwab 4 years ago
Then you, my friend, have no idea what you're talking about. Get educated in music and THEN feel to make all the theories you can think of.
sab3156 4 years ago
By sound ... I meant sound they produce, not overall sound.
I'm not an idiot.
ThaSchwab 4 years ago