It's a shame so many people write such cruel and callous things when examining Derek's guitar playing. From the age of fourteen I have been in completely overwhelmed by how wonderful his playing is. His rhythmic density, attack and unparalleled comping. I am a guitar player myself studying a jazz degree in Leeds and I am still terrified of attempting to play like Bailey. I will defend him to my grave and I hope some people will reserve their judgement and endevour further into understanding him.
@freejazzandcheese1 I really want to understand how Bailey's music makes sense from a theoretical POV. I neither like nor dislike his stuff, but I'm intrigued by it. I know a fair bit if music theory, but I'm not at a level high enough to analyse/understand the workings of Bailey's music just by listening to his stuff. Can you give me some link whereby I can understand how his music 'works'? (not being sarcastic here)
@akrotirifry9 Being intrigued is a good place to start. I certainly don't recommend you analyse it from a theoretical POV, at least not harmonically. Try and see rhythm as a non metronomic concept. You have to see Bailey's music as very rhythmic. If you can understand this then you may start to see what makes him so good. Free improvisation is strictly about rhythm and tone. In a way jazz is too and harmony counts as just a mathematical rule book. It is not specifically what note..
@freejazzandcheese1 ..is played but how it is played. This is not a "free for all" "play what you like" music. It is a language and should be treated as such. I suggest to keep a wide open view of what you hear and look at how players interact and how ideas are developed in group improv. In solo just listen to Bailey (Lot 74 is a good one) with the lights off alone and concentrate. I can of course tell you much more but I think it only needs time and patience. Also...
@freejazzandcheese1 ...Domonic Lash (musician) did a PHD on Derek Bailey and uncovered Bailey's huge private study of the guitar. It certainly holds a good defence of Bailey when you see how he conceived the instrument in such a different way. Most people who play guitar are extremely backward and self concious to have such courage and ingenuity. Its a shame really. Go on the INCUS RECORDS site and search writings section. It is the second one down. Fascinating stuff!
Call him improvisator, call him transgressor, call him whatever you want, this man was the author of the most tedious album in guitar history: "Aida". People who call this "music" are the same that consider Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music" as a work of art. Snobs that intend to cheat us, pretending they have a supreme knowledge in music. Suck my balls, I'm not deaf.
@totalinformation I'd call Metal Machine Music a work of art. Further, I think it's a damn good work of art. As for Aida, that one is a contender for my top 10 albums.
I'm opposed to all snobbery, and I sure wouldn't say I have "supreme knowledge in music". I'm just a fan of free improv and avant-garde. There's nothing wrong being a fan of that stuff, and there's nothing wrong with hating it, either.
He is my go-to musician to accompany a (re)reading of Sokal's 'Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermenuetics of Quantum Gravity' and eating a sandwiche du merde.
Amazing... how can people hear noise and chaos when its a solo and its very clear very structured and not noisy at all? No he cannnot play the same thing again and again... but hello!! thats the point, he doesnt want to...
The human mind is conditioned through culture to rythm harmony and melody... so its actually more dificult to play out of the rythm the harmony and the melody (But hey, I think this is actually very rythmic and melodic!)
@NiggerAnus a very rewarding comment darling brah. your adherence to the cult of very fast pentatonic scales is evident in your last endorsement. Perhaps this proclivity for (dare I say) shit music has precluded any appreciation on your part for the slightly more interesting musical forays of our friend mr bailey. May lord vai keep your dreams brief, to the point and private.
I love more or less every style of music under the sun, even some experimental stuff. This, however, is some moron playing whatever the hell he wants with his guitar and a bunch of idiots supporting him in order to appear original and cultured.
On the one hand, there's discordant music that works; this certainly doesn't.
To be fair, I've experienced and perceived my oversoul in the fifth dimension, and I still consider to be complete toss. To me it is utterly rubbish randomness masquerading as art, but I'm aware that my opinion doesn't make me definitively correct on any level. I know to other people this is enjoyable and meaningful, so fair play to you, listen with your heart and not your mind. I'll be listening to something else while being thankful that I encountered this, so I know what I don't like.
You should watch the "Transmutations" video in the related area, with Bill Laswell... Derek Bailey being Derek Bailey, while an amazing funk/dub/jazz thing is going on... made me appreciate him a lot more. He's not easy listening, that's for sure... it is pretentious snob music, I suppose, but I genuinely appreciate what he does... it evokes moods not possible in tonal music. There is music there, if you broaden your definition of music.
@SpaceRitual I don't think that Bailey is 'pretentious snob music'. If there is such a thing as 'pretentious snob music', I think it's things like so-called 'smooth jazz', where players play totally banalities and the audience thinks it's great because there are no words, or something. Or else it's stuff like Allan Holdsworth, flashy emulation of pretentious early 20th century tonal music. Bailey is doing something much more down-to-earth.
@lexo30 I do think the overview of people who like/create atonal music from an outsider point of view, is of pretentiousness. I remember reading an overall description of the band Throbbing Gristle as "not even their fans appreciate their 'music.'" Not sure if I phrased it right, but that was the gist. Like, you can't possibly appreciate how that sounds, you are just pretending to like it so that you think it makes you look smart. People don't believe anyone could possibly like anything abnormal
@SpaceRitual Well, I can't speak about Throbbing Gristle fans, not being one myself. I know enough about Bailey to know that he was trained as a totally conventional musician, and he thought of himself as one; if you've listened to much Anton Webern, for example, his playing seems well within the boundaries of 20th century music. I am aware of the 'You can't possibly enjoy that music, you're just pretending' claim, and I consider it arrogant, ignorant and insulting.
@SpaceRitual I'm not accusing you of being arrogant, etc. But I do think it extremely arrogant of some people to think that others can't possibly like the music that they claim to like. I know people like music for lots of different reasons, but I enjoy listening to Bailey's music. It's not like I belong to some snobbish clique of Bailey lovers; nobody else I know likes his work. It's different with pop, where people identify themselves as 'fans' in a way that involves lifestyle choices, etc.
@SpaceRitual Steven Pinker, who I usually admire, says something similar to what you're saying in one of his books: he says that since studies have shown that babies prefer tonal music, anyone who claims to love, say, Schoenberg, doesn't really love the music but loves the elitism of being a Schoenberg fan. All I can say is, bullshit. I don't know anyone else who loves Schoenberg and I wish I did, because then I could share the pleasure with someone. I just like the sound of his music.
@lexo30 I'm in a similar situation, truthfully, I wouldn't say I dig someone like Derek Bailey for the elitist reasons, it's not something I brag about. In fact, I would say that I'm often mildly embarrassed of my experimental music listening. Like, if I'm not playing it through headphones, someone might hear it and think I'm a weirdo. I guess I'm too self conscious, don't want attention drawn on me... that's why I'm a bass player, ha.
@SpaceRitual I've spent my life as a music lover learning to have no taste. 'Taste', by which I mean identifying with one particular class of music lover as opposed to another, interferes with my ability to appreciate music for itself. So one day it'll be Derek Bailey, another day Deep Purple, or Brad Mehldau or Ani Di Franco, or Albanian folk music or Charlie Parker or Talking Heads or Rammstein or William Byrd or whoever. I refuse to feel embarrassed about liking any kind of music.
It's a shame that if music doesn't contain melody, rhythm or tempo, it must be crap. This is interesting for the simple fact that it's music without a specific direction, and so creates an entirely different mood than that of "normal" guitar music. Of course, you can just sit there and watch the lack of rhythm and ignorantly assume he doesn't know what he's doing.
one of the better bailey pieces I have seen. not really into this bloke's style, but he does know what he's doing. i'm just too spoiled with fred frith and the like
95% of teens these days listen to the same formulaic, crappy pop over and over! you're one of the 5% who still listens to real music, thumb this up, then copy and paste it to at least five videos. Don't let the spirit of rock and roll die!
"95% of teens these days listen to the same formulaic, crappy pop over and over! you're one of the 5% who still listens to real music, thumb this up, then copy and paste it"
Hahahaha
Too many people are copying and pasting useless messages on youtube, if you agree copy and paste this message to 17.4 videos.
@frankryte This isn't real music. This is somone who never learned to play the guitar. I could hand a guitar to a 4 year old, teach them how to fret it and get the same result. Ridiculous.
@WildWillys how do people like you even figure out who derek bailey is? the same folk scoff at stan brakhage, try to urinate on the work of jackson pollock.... if you think a four year old could get the same result, why dont you try to make a video simulating the same sound found in this video? I bet you can't... really.
@frankryte Derek Baily, Henry Kaiser, all of these "improvisational" guitarists are just tasteless, talentless hacks who couldn't be bothered to take the time & energy necessary to practice and become a real musician. Kaiser's grandaddy was a bazilionaire so little Henry has plenty of money and zero talent. Why on earth would I ever want to duplicate this shite? I've spent years working on learning to play guitar licks that are pleasant to the ear, that make people want to sing & dance.
@WildWillys If you tried to freely improvise, with a serious intent at discovering something new... as a musician, as a listener, as a person... you might be able to open up a whole door you didn't even know existed. I like boogie-woogie as much as the next guy, but this sort of music, the stuff derek, henry, etc typically do is tied a lot more to traditional Eastern music than Rock... though they use similar instruments
@WildWillys you don't even have to record yourself doing it--- but i really want you to try... just to know how it feels. You probably like people like Hendrix, Pink Floyd... maybe you don't but, hey... those guys were surely influenced by noisy and freely improvised music.... maybe you can be too :D
@WildWillys I like Derek Bailey and the whole Incus Records scene. The musicians aren't talentless. Derek Bailey used to teach guitar. They could play just as good as any musician but they chose to oppose conventions of music. Free improvisation is about pure expression, it's not about having a sing and dance.
@WildWillys Do some research and then we will talk. I have played bass and guitar for over 25 years, have recorded and performed with major label artists, and play many other instruments beyond 6 strings. Which really doesn't mean anything anyway if you don't know how to listen anyway. Lets see some of your videos. Oh that's right, you don't have any. Be a man and send me a PM when you are sober and we will talk about your inadequacies.
@scopaz Evidently I struck a nerve there Scotty but let's not forget you were the one who started taking shots at me. I guess I'm supposed to be impressed with your resume but franky I'm not...sorry but to me you're just another wannabe that I've never heard of and honestly if you think what Derek Bailey does passes for music then I could care less about your opinion anyway.
@HipHopkins09 it seems like what they try to do is take what sounds good in music and do the opposite. although its difficult to play off rhythm and off key, it still sounds bad.
Everybody is improvising all the time, every child, animal. Artists can improvise and have radical works in major art gallery's, why can't innovative original musicians be rewarded. There wouldn't be music without originality, notes didn't just appear, they were made up, a great invention, but now new music is created that's not predictable and you can go places, with the musicians (who ablsolutely enjoy the sounds).
You want to know why we listen to it...I'll tell you...because some of us we try to understand when somebody is trying to fool us or not...I got my opinion about this "piece" of "music"....
i can't believe i'm getting to see this - he was this mystery to me for years, wondering what he would be like live - i just had his records, which i was introduced to because of fred frith and henry cow - love his playing - he never toured where i was living
Nice one Derek, I love the way an Englishman makes utter shit and still finds a load dumb yanks to make money from. my cats arse makes a better tune when has a crap.
@Sirbeefyness It's a small world, I just happen to have bought a ticket for the concert in Madison Square Garden...where your cat's arse is doing the opening number for a Cher concert!
i can understand the rhythmic and hartmonic freedom thing (well, no, i can't actually, but that's not the point...), but i could even partly appreciate this stuff if it wasn't pure noise. i mean, if he had the slightest touch and expressivity and didn't just make fake scales, fret and dull string noise i could call it music, even if it hadn't a structure. but that' sounds too similar to the random bullshit i played when i was 6 to mimick i was a guitar hero... so i guess it's nothing different.
Also, Jimmy Page's violin bow solos and Jimi Hendrix's experiments with feedback were far more powerful and effective (and concise) explorations of sound than this. Of course, however, the typical supporter of Derek B would rather die than listen to those guys as they never sat down and learnt how to blow round the usual lame collection of standards which confers 'jazzness' on artists and gives them carte blanche to bore the arse off everyone.
What gets me about Bailey is the nonsense often spouted that a more 'sophisticated' musical ear will appreciate or 'understand' him. I'm willing to listen to anything, and have, but this doesn't work for me. And as for his jazz chops - well being able to blow round the old II-V-Is is no guarantee of being creative in any other sense. Maybe a single piece on these lines would have said something, but for a whole evening there are not enough possibilities in what he does.
I'll explain what this is... This is a guy trying to convince people that this is music. It's like painting some colored lines and convince people that´s a woman suffering. This is pure shit and this guy can't play the same thing again. This is improvisation... Now, i wonder if i can improvise some shit like this and earn some money with it...
if he can play the exact same thing every time again and again at every show then ill be amazed. but i honestly think he is just fooling around. if this is improvised then this is just crap cuz i can play those stupid harmonics and string scrapes too.
@guitar7901 DB was a very acomplished jazz guitar player and earned his life playing clubs and dancehalls since since the late forties i think. So he probably knew a lot of music theory, harmony, chords and stuff. Then, one day in 1965 he just decided to play free improvisation.
this is just noise with no observable meaning just cause some one does something different does not mean that it should be considered good with that being said it is still good that he tried to do something different
Woulda sounded better if he'd hacksawn the strings. The applause is because he fucked off... Derek Bailey simply couldn't be arsed to learn how to play. Too many twats out there pretending to like the 'textures'. I would bet that less than 1% of Derek Bailey fans actually sit and listen to the noise he produces. They just like to harp on about the man, rather than listen to the unholy scraping. It makes them feel 'above' the rest of us... You all know I'm right. Sorry Degs.
The thing is.... if he would be at least consonant and rhythmic sometimes, I could see this as deliberate. If he was not able to play conventional music, then this to me is just fucking bullshit. Playing randomly implies that you don't have enough skill to make music happen on purpose. Anybody can play randomly.
@ubustang Actually, not everyone can play randomly. The average person off the street would not have the creativity to go this random. It would sound like someone who doesn't know what they are doing. This actually sounds like he knows what he's doing.
@fryBASS How can you know how do something randomly. Randomly implies explicitly that you have zero control; like a roll of the dice. There is no skill in that, only luck, BY DEFINITION.
@fryBASS Which makes it merely a lack of control or skill. And regardless of the note choice there is a decided rhythmic continuity, which means its not random. Even flamenco music has more rhythmic uncertain than this; its just a mess. I mean is there free art where people randomly scribble on a page and put it on a pedestal to?
@ubustang Well, I still find it interesting to listen to either way. I still get a feeling out of it, which is a feeling of confusion and uncertainty. Now, I can't say I know a lot of about Derek Bailey, but I do enjoy this style of playing thrown into the mix of everything else.
@fryBASS I actually don't have a problem with it as sound; its just pushing it as music. If this is music, then why can't spoken word be music to? I think there has to be some degree of organization, otherwise the classification doesn't even make sense. I actually think this is kind of cool, sort of as a refresher from our structured music.
If this is music then the term has become meaningless. It may be unique or individual, but that does not imbue it with any intrinsic artistic merit. Detuning a guitar and strumming atonal chords and harmonics does not contribute anything to the sum total of human intellectual accomplishment. It simply sits on the fringes as a pointless exercise in unlistenable, avant-garde hokum.
@DremDC It is literally mental that you actually believe that, although you sound american(so it is not unexplained how you could have come to be this ignorant). Just the choice of words alone you have used to describe prove that everything you have ever learnt is either from a television programme or slang you have seen used in blogs on the internet. Not only that, but besides the comment being barely understandable, there is simply no grammatical structure to how you have phrased it.You Moron.
Thanks for posting this clip of my teacher Derek from 1983. He was an inspiration for those who are trying to play good but they can't and get "beyond style".
Gooddammit. It's just beautiful. There's nothing to understand, just listen. And if you hate it so much, then don't listen. What's the problem with those people?
I don't care if people find this all "artsy" and "mind-expanding" and crap, and I also don't care about these people who are saying that this is an "epic fail." He's obviously doing what he's doing on purpose.
But, simply, it's not pleasing to the ear. The point of music is to please the ear, is it not? I can't find any value in listening to this other than letting some guy wax weird-as-can-be.
@oeddawg No, the point in music isn't just to please the ear. It extends to more than just the 'pleasure' factor. Moreover, someone may value this 'artsy crap' as equally as you value 'consonant, pleasurable' music, no opinion trumps the other.
@oeddawg Hahaha fair enough. It isn't the nature of experience to just find everything that appears 'beautiful', it's to find everything and SEE the beauty in it (even if it looks bland, ugly etc). If you listen to a late piece by Schoenberg or Boulez (or even Ornette Coleman) it might sound bad as hell, but their pieces are so heavily ruled by guidelines it's unbelievable, they have their own order. Idk, if all you experienced was 'nice' things in the world it might be a bit unfulfilling.
Derek Bailey "got nowhere else to go"? He's already been there... if you want to listen to blues rock or whatever for the rest of your life then fine, but don't knock people who experiment... he didn't just convince "a couple pseudo-intellectual monkeys that his attempt at playing guitar is art"... is Pat Metheny a monkey? Is Thurston Moore?
I can get any white liberal, parasite Jew, or dirty nigger on Youtube to rant for days. They are very easy to degrade and can't control themselves even on the internet. Every see us protest? All the anti protestors get arrested while we all go back to the meeting hall and have a party.
Well, considering that he played in dance bands / jazz bands throughout the fifties and until the mid-sixties, yes, he can play in the conventional way too.
Thanks for posting this clip of my teacher Derek from 1983. He was an inspiration for those of us who are trying to get beyond style and get further into sound. If anyone doesn't enjoy or understand this stuff, why are you listening to it?
@booksteve ANYBODY can make sound, its about how sound if crafted that makes something special, not hitting random notes and hoping to capture something you never meant to do on purpose, totally up its own ass bullshit
He's great and people just don't get it, but that doesn't mean the emperor's new suit of clothes isn't in there. It's everywhere. Doesn't matter about theory, style, sound - what we are hearing is Bailey's confidence to do it. Explore the guitar in front of people or on your own. I think this is about him, his guitar and his ability to convey this to others. You going to tell me you listen to full albums of his stuff? It's him and his being. Try it at home. It's unique and everyday. Like, life!
When Steve Irwin, the millionaire television star / bestiality fan, got poked in the ticker by a stingray and they frantically hauled his limp Aussie carcass up to the surface and onto the luxury yacht / research vessel and then hightailed it to the marina in a futile though valiant effort to save that golden-egg-laying goose, THIS was the sound collectively uttered by the Animal Planet executives as they watched their Xmas bonuses dissolve in a pool of stingray poison.
Watching this video makes me more than ever convinced that Bailey's approach to improvised guitar is so much more valid than Keith Rowe's. I quite like the sound of some of Rowe's music, but his reasons for playing the way he does are to me incoherent. Whereas Bailey thought of himself as a conventional player, and watching this, you can see just how conventional he is - the only unconventional thing about his style is his choice of notes. Everything else in his music could come from Webern.
I remember when all my pals were learning Knopflers 'Sultans' solos note-for-note, and then they heard Knopfler doing it live, and he just played whatever the fuck he liked, (brilliantly) and DIDN'T stick religiously (anally?) to the single version.
It's really liberating to listen to Bailey, ...So come on you borin' blues/metallers, detune, touch some open-string harmonics, and freak the fuck out..., Who knows, you might actually enjoy yourselves. Oh, I forgot... guitar playing is a dull repetitious macho competition isn't it...Fun is furthest from your grunt-like fucking minds...
It's a shame so many people write such cruel and callous things when examining Derek's guitar playing. From the age of fourteen I have been in completely overwhelmed by how wonderful his playing is. His rhythmic density, attack and unparalleled comping. I am a guitar player myself studying a jazz degree in Leeds and I am still terrified of attempting to play like Bailey. I will defend him to my grave and I hope some people will reserve their judgement and endevour further into understanding him.
freejazzandcheese1 2 weeks ago
@freejazzandcheese1 I really want to understand how Bailey's music makes sense from a theoretical POV. I neither like nor dislike his stuff, but I'm intrigued by it. I know a fair bit if music theory, but I'm not at a level high enough to analyse/understand the workings of Bailey's music just by listening to his stuff. Can you give me some link whereby I can understand how his music 'works'? (not being sarcastic here)
akrotirifry9 2 weeks ago
@akrotirifry9 Being intrigued is a good place to start. I certainly don't recommend you analyse it from a theoretical POV, at least not harmonically. Try and see rhythm as a non metronomic concept. You have to see Bailey's music as very rhythmic. If you can understand this then you may start to see what makes him so good. Free improvisation is strictly about rhythm and tone. In a way jazz is too and harmony counts as just a mathematical rule book. It is not specifically what note..
freejazzandcheese1 1 week ago
@freejazzandcheese1 ..is played but how it is played. This is not a "free for all" "play what you like" music. It is a language and should be treated as such. I suggest to keep a wide open view of what you hear and look at how players interact and how ideas are developed in group improv. In solo just listen to Bailey (Lot 74 is a good one) with the lights off alone and concentrate. I can of course tell you much more but I think it only needs time and patience. Also...
freejazzandcheese1 1 week ago
@freejazzandcheese1 ...Domonic Lash (musician) did a PHD on Derek Bailey and uncovered Bailey's huge private study of the guitar. It certainly holds a good defence of Bailey when you see how he conceived the instrument in such a different way. Most people who play guitar are extremely backward and self concious to have such courage and ingenuity. Its a shame really. Go on the INCUS RECORDS site and search writings section. It is the second one down. Fascinating stuff!
freejazzandcheese1 1 week ago
@freejazzandcheese1 Reading it now. Thanks!
akrotirifry9 1 week ago
1:07 is it me or does that sound like a mastodon lick? haha
CGW420 4 weeks ago
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Call him improvisator, call him transgressor, call him whatever you want, this man was the author of the most tedious album in guitar history: "Aida". People who call this "music" are the same that consider Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music" as a work of art. Snobs that intend to cheat us, pretending they have a supreme knowledge in music. Suck my balls, I'm not deaf.
totalinformation 1 month ago
@totalinformation I'd call Metal Machine Music a work of art. Further, I think it's a damn good work of art. As for Aida, that one is a contender for my top 10 albums.
I'm opposed to all snobbery, and I sure wouldn't say I have "supreme knowledge in music". I'm just a fan of free improv and avant-garde. There's nothing wrong being a fan of that stuff, and there's nothing wrong with hating it, either.
kingzoot00 3 weeks ago
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totalinformation 1 month ago
Hehe! I love these "shreds" parodies :) ..... seriously though where can I check out this guys playing??
JudgeShred84 1 month ago 2
He is my go-to musician to accompany a (re)reading of Sokal's 'Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermenuetics of Quantum Gravity' and eating a sandwiche du merde.
spaarky13 2 months ago 2
Amazing... how can people hear noise and chaos when its a solo and its very clear very structured and not noisy at all? No he cannnot play the same thing again and again... but hello!! thats the point, he doesnt want to...
The human mind is conditioned through culture to rythm harmony and melody... so its actually more dificult to play out of the rythm the harmony and the melody (But hey, I think this is actually very rythmic and melodic!)
CrimsonZsexy 2 months ago
@HipHopkins09 Take chances on sounding like a pile of shit br0wski
comprehend what? that it sounds like a pile of fucking DOG SHIT... there ain't shit to comprehend right here..
You know what's more fucking sad than this pile of shit derek bailey manages to shit is his followers who think he's a fucking "genius"
YEAH BRAH I'M A PICK UP MY GUITAR AND JUST HIT RANDOM ASS HARMONICS AND OPEN STRINGS AND TUNE MY GUITAR OUT OF TUNE CUZ IM GENIUSSSSSSS GENIUSSS
^_^ Steve Vai is a genius
NiggerAnus 3 months ago
@NiggerAnus steve vai is a showman
nepalnt2121 2 months ago
@NiggerAnus a very rewarding comment darling brah. your adherence to the cult of very fast pentatonic scales is evident in your last endorsement. Perhaps this proclivity for (dare I say) shit music has precluded any appreciation on your part for the slightly more interesting musical forays of our friend mr bailey. May lord vai keep your dreams brief, to the point and private.
JamesPopaloaf 3 weeks ago
@NiggerAnus "Steve Vai is a genius" - absolutely. Steve Vai is one of my favourite guitarists.
Derek Bailey is a genius too.
kingzoot00 3 weeks ago
espectacular ,gran video
TheGuitarswing 3 months ago
i never really "got" derek bailey... most of the time he's just tedious.
saying that, fred frith is my hero
Osthropek 4 months ago
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I love more or less every style of music under the sun, even some experimental stuff. This, however, is some moron playing whatever the hell he wants with his guitar and a bunch of idiots supporting him in order to appear original and cultured.
On the one hand, there's discordant music that works; this certainly doesn't.
jimmyjimbo72 4 months ago
touché
sbejelkane 4 months ago
Why would a talented guitar play practice playing bad?
soulofshiver 4 months ago
And it's amusing how many people won't say something is nonsense because they're afraid of not being hip to new stuff.
sbejelkane 5 months ago
@sbejelkane Do you know what actually is even more amusing... is that you think "liking" this is being hip and new.
InFlightDrive 4 months ago
To be fair, I've experienced and perceived my oversoul in the fifth dimension, and I still consider to be complete toss. To me it is utterly rubbish randomness masquerading as art, but I'm aware that my opinion doesn't make me definitively correct on any level. I know to other people this is enjoyable and meaningful, so fair play to you, listen with your heart and not your mind. I'll be listening to something else while being thankful that I encountered this, so I know what I don't like.
twenkmcwanzer 5 months ago
@twenkmcwanzer That's the best YouTube comment I've ever read. You took the words right out of my mouth; rubbish masquerading as art.
jimmyjimbo72 4 months ago
isnt this part of the derek bailey shreds parodies?
ZupraVisor 5 months ago
You should watch the "Transmutations" video in the related area, with Bill Laswell... Derek Bailey being Derek Bailey, while an amazing funk/dub/jazz thing is going on... made me appreciate him a lot more. He's not easy listening, that's for sure... it is pretentious snob music, I suppose, but I genuinely appreciate what he does... it evokes moods not possible in tonal music. There is music there, if you broaden your definition of music.
SpaceRitual 5 months ago
@SpaceRitual I don't think that Bailey is 'pretentious snob music'. If there is such a thing as 'pretentious snob music', I think it's things like so-called 'smooth jazz', where players play totally banalities and the audience thinks it's great because there are no words, or something. Or else it's stuff like Allan Holdsworth, flashy emulation of pretentious early 20th century tonal music. Bailey is doing something much more down-to-earth.
lexo30 5 months ago
@lexo30 I do think the overview of people who like/create atonal music from an outsider point of view, is of pretentiousness. I remember reading an overall description of the band Throbbing Gristle as "not even their fans appreciate their 'music.'" Not sure if I phrased it right, but that was the gist. Like, you can't possibly appreciate how that sounds, you are just pretending to like it so that you think it makes you look smart. People don't believe anyone could possibly like anything abnormal
SpaceRitual 5 months ago
@SpaceRitual Well, I can't speak about Throbbing Gristle fans, not being one myself. I know enough about Bailey to know that he was trained as a totally conventional musician, and he thought of himself as one; if you've listened to much Anton Webern, for example, his playing seems well within the boundaries of 20th century music. I am aware of the 'You can't possibly enjoy that music, you're just pretending' claim, and I consider it arrogant, ignorant and insulting.
lexo30 5 months ago
@SpaceRitual I'm not accusing you of being arrogant, etc. But I do think it extremely arrogant of some people to think that others can't possibly like the music that they claim to like. I know people like music for lots of different reasons, but I enjoy listening to Bailey's music. It's not like I belong to some snobbish clique of Bailey lovers; nobody else I know likes his work. It's different with pop, where people identify themselves as 'fans' in a way that involves lifestyle choices, etc.
lexo30 5 months ago
@SpaceRitual Steven Pinker, who I usually admire, says something similar to what you're saying in one of his books: he says that since studies have shown that babies prefer tonal music, anyone who claims to love, say, Schoenberg, doesn't really love the music but loves the elitism of being a Schoenberg fan. All I can say is, bullshit. I don't know anyone else who loves Schoenberg and I wish I did, because then I could share the pleasure with someone. I just like the sound of his music.
lexo30 5 months ago
@lexo30 I'm in a similar situation, truthfully, I wouldn't say I dig someone like Derek Bailey for the elitist reasons, it's not something I brag about. In fact, I would say that I'm often mildly embarrassed of my experimental music listening. Like, if I'm not playing it through headphones, someone might hear it and think I'm a weirdo. I guess I'm too self conscious, don't want attention drawn on me... that's why I'm a bass player, ha.
SpaceRitual 5 months ago
@SpaceRitual I've spent my life as a music lover learning to have no taste. 'Taste', by which I mean identifying with one particular class of music lover as opposed to another, interferes with my ability to appreciate music for itself. So one day it'll be Derek Bailey, another day Deep Purple, or Brad Mehldau or Ani Di Franco, or Albanian folk music or Charlie Parker or Talking Heads or Rammstein or William Byrd or whoever. I refuse to feel embarrassed about liking any kind of music.
lexo30 5 months ago 2
It's a shame that if music doesn't contain melody, rhythm or tempo, it must be crap. This is interesting for the simple fact that it's music without a specific direction, and so creates an entirely different mood than that of "normal" guitar music. Of course, you can just sit there and watch the lack of rhythm and ignorantly assume he doesn't know what he's doing.
CodyRicheson 5 months ago 2
Nice to see StSanders back on youtube, always hilarious.
zonqor 5 months ago
hahahaa has this been overdubbed with some shit music?
astroboirap 5 months ago
one of the better bailey pieces I have seen. not really into this bloke's style, but he does know what he's doing. i'm just too spoiled with fred frith and the like
wordupassholes 6 months ago
Well, it takes talent to keep on going, I guess...
hendrixkixas 6 months ago
What's this one called? "Rabid Mongoose in a China Shoppe"?
mypalsatan 7 months ago
You say Bruno Mars, I say Derek Bailey
You say Hannah Montana, I say Eugene Chadbourne
You say Owl City, I say Henry Kaiser
You say Jonas Brothers, I say Fred Frith
You say Taylor Swift, I say Keith Rowe
You say Justin Bieber, I say Keji Haino
95% of teens these days listen to the same formulaic, crappy pop over and over! you're one of the 5% who still listens to real music, thumb this up, then copy and paste it to at least five videos. Don't let the spirit of rock and roll die!
frankryte 7 months ago
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@frankryte
"95% of teens these days listen to the same formulaic, crappy pop over and over! you're one of the 5% who still listens to real music, thumb this up, then copy and paste it"
Hahahaha
Too many people are copying and pasting useless messages on youtube, if you agree copy and paste this message to 17.4 videos.
Schizopantheist 6 months ago
@frankryte You sir should really listen to propagating tree fungus at the arena of ainsley harriet
OfNmW1 6 months ago
@frankryte This isn't real music. This is somone who never learned to play the guitar. I could hand a guitar to a 4 year old, teach them how to fret it and get the same result. Ridiculous.
WildWillys 6 months ago
@WildWillys how do people like you even figure out who derek bailey is? the same folk scoff at stan brakhage, try to urinate on the work of jackson pollock.... if you think a four year old could get the same result, why dont you try to make a video simulating the same sound found in this video? I bet you can't... really.
frankryte 6 months ago
@frankryte Derek Baily, Henry Kaiser, all of these "improvisational" guitarists are just tasteless, talentless hacks who couldn't be bothered to take the time & energy necessary to practice and become a real musician. Kaiser's grandaddy was a bazilionaire so little Henry has plenty of money and zero talent. Why on earth would I ever want to duplicate this shite? I've spent years working on learning to play guitar licks that are pleasant to the ear, that make people want to sing & dance.
WildWillys 6 months ago
@WildWillys If you tried to freely improvise, with a serious intent at discovering something new... as a musician, as a listener, as a person... you might be able to open up a whole door you didn't even know existed. I like boogie-woogie as much as the next guy, but this sort of music, the stuff derek, henry, etc typically do is tied a lot more to traditional Eastern music than Rock... though they use similar instruments
frankryte 6 months ago
@WildWillys you don't even have to record yourself doing it--- but i really want you to try... just to know how it feels. You probably like people like Hendrix, Pink Floyd... maybe you don't but, hey... those guys were surely influenced by noisy and freely improvised music.... maybe you can be too :D
frankryte 6 months ago
@WildWillys I like Derek Bailey and the whole Incus Records scene. The musicians aren't talentless. Derek Bailey used to teach guitar. They could play just as good as any musician but they chose to oppose conventions of music. Free improvisation is about pure expression, it's not about having a sing and dance.
OldManRiverz 6 months ago
A 4 year old could never do this. As for this not being real music........we have learned all we need to know about you from that statement.
scopaz 6 months ago
@scopaz Exactly the kind of thing I'd expect to hear from a bass player.
WildWillys 6 months ago
@WildWillys Proudly.
scopaz 6 months ago
@scopaz I know...6 strings is a little complicated sometimes. It's OK...man's got to know his limitations.
WildWillys 6 months ago
@WildWillys Do some research and then we will talk. I have played bass and guitar for over 25 years, have recorded and performed with major label artists, and play many other instruments beyond 6 strings. Which really doesn't mean anything anyway if you don't know how to listen anyway. Lets see some of your videos. Oh that's right, you don't have any. Be a man and send me a PM when you are sober and we will talk about your inadequacies.
scopaz 6 months ago
@scopaz Evidently I struck a nerve there Scotty but let's not forget you were the one who started taking shots at me. I guess I'm supposed to be impressed with your resume but franky I'm not...sorry but to me you're just another wannabe that I've never heard of and honestly if you think what Derek Bailey does passes for music then I could care less about your opinion anyway.
WildWillys 6 months ago
@WildWillys Best of luck to you Willy....
scopaz 6 months ago
@HipHopkins09 it seems like what they try to do is take what sounds good in music and do the opposite. although its difficult to play off rhythm and off key, it still sounds bad.
grevejp44 7 months ago
This is music, music was first created through improvisation, not notes... This is about sound, the colour of it
MusicisTheUniversal 7 months ago
This is music, music was first created through improvisation, not notes... This is about sound, the colour of it
MusicisTheUniversal 7 months ago
Everybody is improvising all the time, every child, animal. Artists can improvise and have radical works in major art gallery's, why can't innovative original musicians be rewarded. There wouldn't be music without originality, notes didn't just appear, they were made up, a great invention, but now new music is created that's not predictable and you can go places, with the musicians (who ablsolutely enjoy the sounds).
MusicisTheUniversal 7 months ago
@HipHopkins09 no i comprehend it, its just not my type(or most people's type) of music.
grevejp44 7 months ago
idiot
ilmasticatore999 7 months ago
You want to know why we listen to it...I'll tell you...because some of us we try to understand when somebody is trying to fool us or not...I got my opinion about this "piece" of "music"....
gargantua 7 months ago
i can't believe i'm getting to see this - he was this mystery to me for years, wondering what he would be like live - i just had his records, which i was introduced to because of fred frith and henry cow - love his playing - he never toured where i was living
drmJB23 8 months ago
I want tabs for 0:55
nashvilleraidersfan 9 months ago
Nice one Derek, I love the way an Englishman makes utter shit and still finds a load dumb yanks to make money from. my cats arse makes a better tune when has a crap.
Sirbeefyness 9 months ago
@Sirbeefyness It's a small world, I just happen to have bought a ticket for the concert in Madison Square Garden...where your cat's arse is doing the opening number for a Cher concert!
comanchio1976 7 months ago
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Sirbeefyness 9 months ago
I'm gonna be honest: this is freakin' awesome! I can see Fred Frith drooling!
sdshurtleff 9 months ago
A man who could teach Sonic Youth a few tricks. Bravo.
Lieu3C4 9 months ago
Clearly a man who wants to be self directed
Without regard to the instrument he selected
Needs only to be internally corrected without
Kneading to be internally corrected without.
Lieu3C4 9 months ago
i can understand the rhythmic and hartmonic freedom thing (well, no, i can't actually, but that's not the point...), but i could even partly appreciate this stuff if it wasn't pure noise. i mean, if he had the slightest touch and expressivity and didn't just make fake scales, fret and dull string noise i could call it music, even if it hadn't a structure. but that' sounds too similar to the random bullshit i played when i was 6 to mimick i was a guitar hero... so i guess it's nothing different.
dh3im 9 months ago
@dh3im It may sound the same, but the whole point is different.
fragatahugo 8 months ago
@dh3im "i can understand the rhythmic and hartmonic freedom thing (well, no, i can't actually, but that's not the point...)"
...maybe that IS the point!? Either way, I'm not into it. Reminds me of how I sound when I try to play stoned.
comanchio1976 7 months ago
i don't know why, but i like what i'm hearing
piafounet 10 months ago
Also, Jimmy Page's violin bow solos and Jimi Hendrix's experiments with feedback were far more powerful and effective (and concise) explorations of sound than this. Of course, however, the typical supporter of Derek B would rather die than listen to those guys as they never sat down and learnt how to blow round the usual lame collection of standards which confers 'jazzness' on artists and gives them carte blanche to bore the arse off everyone.
sludgefingers 10 months ago
What gets me about Bailey is the nonsense often spouted that a more 'sophisticated' musical ear will appreciate or 'understand' him. I'm willing to listen to anything, and have, but this doesn't work for me. And as for his jazz chops - well being able to blow round the old II-V-Is is no guarantee of being creative in any other sense. Maybe a single piece on these lines would have said something, but for a whole evening there are not enough possibilities in what he does.
sludgefingers 10 months ago
this is abit silly really.
Mattelliott1234 10 months ago
I'll explain what this is... This is a guy trying to convince people that this is music. It's like painting some colored lines and convince people that´s a woman suffering. This is pure shit and this guy can't play the same thing again. This is improvisation... Now, i wonder if i can improvise some shit like this and earn some money with it...
xalalalala 10 months ago
is he trying to learn how to play guitar???
CMEJ1463 10 months ago
if he can play the exact same thing every time again and again at every show then ill be amazed. but i honestly think he is just fooling around. if this is improvised then this is just crap cuz i can play those stupid harmonics and string scrapes too.
t0psecretshit 10 months ago
It takes real courage and imagination to play this kind of music.
jing479 10 months ago
lets just hand him a theory book and see how much he really knows
guitar7901 11 months ago
@guitar7901 DB was a very acomplished jazz guitar player and earned his life playing clubs and dancehalls since since the late forties i think. So he probably knew a lot of music theory, harmony, chords and stuff. Then, one day in 1965 he just decided to play free improvisation.
blefusku 10 months ago
@blefusku honestly he does not know theory at all
guitar7901 10 months ago
this is just noise with no observable meaning just cause some one does something different does not mean that it should be considered good with that being said it is still good that he tried to do something different
stateofeuphoria12 11 months ago
so...this is the guitarist that blew Thurston Moore's mind...
jm31563 1 year ago
I think perhaps that people are intrigued by difference, yet do not always know how to overcome their conditioning when they first encounter it.
loudoutsound 1 year ago
lol deaf person playing guitar.
SuPeRHeRoZaQ 1 year ago
i dont hear music god damn hipsters
personcalledray 1 year ago
Everyone who likes this, go watch the video "Interior Semiotics". It's right up your alley.
Someone really should tune this poor man's guitar, it seems he cannot tell that it doesn't work correctly.
MakWasayne 1 year ago
This is the musical equivalent of Tracey Emin's 'My Bed'. It's technically art, but it's just fucking shit.
GhandiTown 1 year ago
What we have here, ladies and gentlemen, is some top-notch comedy. This is the kind of stuff that makes me glad to be alive.
koreankayagum 1 year ago
Exordium by Harry Partch*
JaackPat 1 year ago
It's avant-garde... Check out Exordium if you don't like this and then come post back on this video. I want to see more stupid comments.
JaackPat 1 year ago
Modern Art became too intellectual for it's own damn good. These aren't artists they are politicians.
Danman917 1 year ago
@Danman917
Or argueably they merely worked in creative advertising, marketting, etc etc etc
antmartainexperience 1 year ago
how did all the haters even find their way to this video?
earinsound 1 year ago 2
lightgun105 etc.. loosen up man... think Picasso (he could paint as well as Michelangelo).
BOBZOWNER 1 year ago
Anyone who thinks that sounds good must be insane! That's not music!
lightgun105 1 year ago
@lightgun105 That's your opinion, not everyone is one person.
Craiglend 1 year ago
Anyone who thinks that sounds good must be insane! That's not music!
lightgun105 1 year ago
Im gonna be honest, I just don't get this...
4Polfag 1 year ago 27
@4Polfag At least you're nice about it.
JaackPat 1 year ago
@4Polfag
Then it's probably either art, jazz ... or both :)
beerbu 7 months ago
hole wrote this
veverzay 1 year ago
I'm sorry.but this is terrible
greyreview 1 year ago
@greyreview
You're a fucking moron
billhicksisdead 1 year ago
@billhicksisdead what because I don't buy into this pretentious rubbish? yeah I'm the moron..... ha
greyreview 1 year ago
crap
abbaabb 1 year ago
Woulda sounded better if he'd hacksawn the strings. The applause is because he fucked off... Derek Bailey simply couldn't be arsed to learn how to play. Too many twats out there pretending to like the 'textures'. I would bet that less than 1% of Derek Bailey fans actually sit and listen to the noise he produces. They just like to harp on about the man, rather than listen to the unholy scraping. It makes them feel 'above' the rest of us... You all know I'm right. Sorry Degs.
drcatuk 1 year ago
@drcatuk Far too often, people who diss avant-garde music go as far as to say those who listen don't actually like it. How pathetic.
Megajosh2 1 year ago 2
@drcatuk He actually could play very well traditionally. He was a session player back in the '60s.
HolyKatana 1 year ago
RIFFEROLA!
peanutworm 1 year ago
The thing is.... if he would be at least consonant and rhythmic sometimes, I could see this as deliberate. If he was not able to play conventional music, then this to me is just fucking bullshit. Playing randomly implies that you don't have enough skill to make music happen on purpose. Anybody can play randomly.
ubustang 1 year ago
@ubustang Actually, not everyone can play randomly. The average person off the street would not have the creativity to go this random. It would sound like someone who doesn't know what they are doing. This actually sounds like he knows what he's doing.
fryBASS 1 year ago
@fryBASS How can you know how do something randomly. Randomly implies explicitly that you have zero control; like a roll of the dice. There is no skill in that, only luck, BY DEFINITION.
ubustang 1 year ago
@ubustang True. Which is probably why it's not as random as it appears to be.
fryBASS 1 year ago
@fryBASS Which makes it merely a lack of control or skill. And regardless of the note choice there is a decided rhythmic continuity, which means its not random. Even flamenco music has more rhythmic uncertain than this; its just a mess. I mean is there free art where people randomly scribble on a page and put it on a pedestal to?
ubustang 1 year ago
@ubustang Well, I still find it interesting to listen to either way. I still get a feeling out of it, which is a feeling of confusion and uncertainty. Now, I can't say I know a lot of about Derek Bailey, but I do enjoy this style of playing thrown into the mix of everything else.
fryBASS 1 year ago
@fryBASS I actually don't have a problem with it as sound; its just pushing it as music. If this is music, then why can't spoken word be music to? I think there has to be some degree of organization, otherwise the classification doesn't even make sense. I actually think this is kind of cool, sort of as a refresher from our structured music.
ubustang 1 year ago
@ubustang Maybe spoken word is a form of music? If it is sound presented as art, is it not music?
fryBASS 1 year ago
@ubustang there is a lot of organization it's just in a different way from popular music.
edcerc 1 year ago
@ubustang Spoken word IS music, as far as I'm concerned.
HolyKatana 1 year ago
If this is music then the term has become meaningless. It may be unique or individual, but that does not imbue it with any intrinsic artistic merit. Detuning a guitar and strumming atonal chords and harmonics does not contribute anything to the sum total of human intellectual accomplishment. It simply sits on the fringes as a pointless exercise in unlistenable, avant-garde hokum.
shanthundergod 1 year ago
Most epic troll in the music world ever.
EJRocky 1 year ago
I see some old crazy faggot making a money and stupid people that finds godlike things in shit.
Such guys can eat a crap and call it an "art"
DremDC 1 year ago
@DremDC It is literally mental that you actually believe that, although you sound american(so it is not unexplained how you could have come to be this ignorant). Just the choice of words alone you have used to describe prove that everything you have ever learnt is either from a television programme or slang you have seen used in blogs on the internet. Not only that, but besides the comment being barely understandable, there is simply no grammatical structure to how you have phrased it.You Moron.
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booksteve
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Thanks for posting this clip of my teacher Derek from 1983. He was an inspiration for those who are trying to play good but they can't and get "beyond style".
I see some faggot making a money
DremDC 1 year ago
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It's got a good beat and you can dance to it.
dcs5678 1 year ago
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It has a good beat and you can dance to it.
dcs5678 1 year ago
Gooddammit. It's just beautiful. There's nothing to understand, just listen. And if you hate it so much, then don't listen. What's the problem with those people?
TheWatsche 1 year ago 2
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Sounds like shit .........
CanadianChronic2121 1 year ago
I don't care if people find this all "artsy" and "mind-expanding" and crap, and I also don't care about these people who are saying that this is an "epic fail." He's obviously doing what he's doing on purpose.
But, simply, it's not pleasing to the ear. The point of music is to please the ear, is it not? I can't find any value in listening to this other than letting some guy wax weird-as-can-be.
oeddawg 1 year ago
@oeddawg No, the point in music isn't just to please the ear. It extends to more than just the 'pleasure' factor. Moreover, someone may value this 'artsy crap' as equally as you value 'consonant, pleasurable' music, no opinion trumps the other.
danohrly 1 year ago
@danohrly What does it extend to beyond the basic idea of hearing something pleasing to the ear? It appears we use music for different things...
oeddawg 1 year ago
@oeddawg Hahaha fair enough. It isn't the nature of experience to just find everything that appears 'beautiful', it's to find everything and SEE the beauty in it (even if it looks bland, ugly etc). If you listen to a late piece by Schoenberg or Boulez (or even Ornette Coleman) it might sound bad as hell, but their pieces are so heavily ruled by guidelines it's unbelievable, they have their own order. Idk, if all you experienced was 'nice' things in the world it might be a bit unfulfilling.
danohrly 1 year ago
I can play that song by plucking my pubes.
CanineFaeces 1 year ago
because its hilarious
TruNikkaz 1 year ago
epic fail!!!
thefletchishere 1 year ago
Yes, he could "play the guitar well" as it happens....
diskochimp 1 year ago
beautiful...
scionhive 1 year ago
hahaaahahhaahhaahahaahahhaahah
ilmasticatore999 1 year ago
Rockrules4ever1 you can just go and die this is music and it is great music
asslove1212 1 year ago
@asslove1212 hilarious!
TheMustachioed 1 year ago
Derek Bailey "got nowhere else to go"? He's already been there... if you want to listen to blues rock or whatever for the rest of your life then fine, but don't knock people who experiment... he didn't just convince "a couple pseudo-intellectual monkeys that his attempt at playing guitar is art"... is Pat Metheny a monkey? Is Thurston Moore?
SteveAstronaut 1 year ago 2
guitars were made to make music not this shit this sounds like somebody is trying to kill a guitar...so sad
Rockrules4ever1 1 year ago
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davestone41 1 year ago
would be interesting to know if this guy can actually play guitar well.
Deliberately going outside to push sonic limits is one thing. Doing it because you've got nowhere else to go is lame.
arp1978 1 year ago
Well, considering that he played in dance bands / jazz bands throughout the fifties and until the mid-sixties, yes, he can play in the conventional way too.
kallepellereino 1 year ago
Did they clap for the song, or the fact that it ended so quickly?
mazsenior 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this clip of my teacher Derek from 1983. He was an inspiration for those of us who are trying to get beyond style and get further into sound. If anyone doesn't enjoy or understand this stuff, why are you listening to it?
booksteve 1 year ago 17
@booksteve ANYBODY can make sound, its about how sound if crafted that makes something special, not hitting random notes and hoping to capture something you never meant to do on purpose, totally up its own ass bullshit
TheLydianRocks 1 year ago
@booksteve
Derek Bailey was your teacher?
I think DB was a god - but I can't imagine being taught by him.
Please tell more.
geoffnicholson999 1 year ago
@booksteve because its very funny
unclegusyo 1 year ago
He's great and people just don't get it, but that doesn't mean the emperor's new suit of clothes isn't in there. It's everywhere. Doesn't matter about theory, style, sound - what we are hearing is Bailey's confidence to do it. Explore the guitar in front of people or on your own. I think this is about him, his guitar and his ability to convey this to others. You going to tell me you listen to full albums of his stuff? It's him and his being. Try it at home. It's unique and everyday. Like, life!
rigmarole55 8 months ago
This Bailey guy is a genius. He convinced a couple pseudo-intellectual monkeys that his attempt at playing guitar is art. Genius!
LustForHate 1 year ago
What drug does one have to be on to understand this?
treetoptop 1 year ago
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COMPLETE FAIL ON GUITAR!!!!
DontTazerMeBro 2 years ago
When Steve Irwin, the millionaire television star / bestiality fan, got poked in the ticker by a stingray and they frantically hauled his limp Aussie carcass up to the surface and onto the luxury yacht / research vessel and then hightailed it to the marina in a futile though valiant effort to save that golden-egg-laying goose, THIS was the sound collectively uttered by the Animal Planet executives as they watched their Xmas bonuses dissolve in a pool of stingray poison.
elevencharles 2 years ago
lol listen to all you artsy farsty knobs debating politics on a derek bailey video. i bet you think you're really progressive.
BillBuchananFtw 2 years ago
Yeah sure pal, and you just ended up here by accident.
dwemmy 2 years ago
lol fair youve done me there. pretty ironic cz i was actually into proper pretentious prog when i was 16. haha safe
BillBuchananFtw 1 year ago
I love a bit of avant garde but this is whack!
adamsp8 2 years ago
@adamsp8 It´s spelled Wack, you freak!
Johnning 2 years ago
Watching this video makes me more than ever convinced that Bailey's approach to improvised guitar is so much more valid than Keith Rowe's. I quite like the sound of some of Rowe's music, but his reasons for playing the way he does are to me incoherent. Whereas Bailey thought of himself as a conventional player, and watching this, you can see just how conventional he is - the only unconventional thing about his style is his choice of notes. Everything else in his music could come from Webern.
lexo30 2 years ago
...Well, not everything. But we know that a good bit of it did.
lexo30 2 years ago
Agree...I think Rowe's playing and everything about AMM is a sham.
dwemmy 2 years ago
I wouldn't go as far as that, but I don't like listening to them.
lexo30 2 years ago
that was horrible
gowplayer2 2 years ago
You can tell he used to play backup for Morecambe and Wise.
masterofringo 2 years ago 2
Love the way this stuff STILL winds-up the conservative guitarists who ALL practice & practice and ALL end up sounding just like someone else.
Nigey 2 years ago 2
I remember when all my pals were learning Knopflers 'Sultans' solos note-for-note, and then they heard Knopfler doing it live, and he just played whatever the fuck he liked, (brilliantly) and DIDN'T stick religiously (anally?) to the single version.
Nigey 2 years ago
It's really liberating to listen to Bailey, ...So come on you borin' blues/metallers, detune, touch some open-string harmonics, and freak the fuck out..., Who knows, you might actually enjoy yourselves. Oh, I forgot... guitar playing is a dull repetitious macho competition isn't it...Fun is furthest from your grunt-like fucking minds...
Nigey 2 years ago