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Ravindra Svarupa said it best, the only thing you have to be satisfied with is your little mind. "How's the slut wife Linda and the bastard little kids"? lol He got you that time, or was that some other fringie devotee. Also Iskcon B'luru is the one who blocked the entire road in B'luru not Iskcon Mum. You made another "mistake" there as well, twisting the meanings around as always. You are one twisted sister! I wonder if Prabhupada has rejected you? Seriously! You rejected him didn't you?
@blooped1 Ravindra is another person who got sick and had to have a blood transfusion, and idiots in ISKCON said to me that he got sick from taking too many sins (like Jesus takes sins). Sorry, Ravindra is not Lord Jesus re-incarnated who can absorb sins, I hate to tell yout this, he only thinks he is absorbing sins because he is the second coming of Jesus of Nazarteth, but he cannot even absorb the sins of a flea. Linda is not my wife either, get your facts straight. ys pd
And blooped1 is also complaining about the child molesting lawsuit because he wanted these victim children to go on commiting suicide. He wants children to die, told ya! ys pd
Is JESUS the only guru example you can think of? Because there are so many more. No one is using Jesus as an example of a guru except for you that I can see. Not one devotee is comparing themself to Christ or saying it is necessary to be on His level except for you. Therefore you are misleading people. On purpose. For that you will go to hell? And you rejected Srila Prabhupada otherwise why would you sue his movement for hundreds of millions of dollars that you can never pay back? You are fallen
@blooped1 No, all gurus accept sins, I am using the example of Jesus because THEY have used it. I am citing them, I am citing their documents where they said their gurus are like Jesus. If you support them then you are supporting their documents. They say they are getting sick from absorbing sins, so they are saying they are acting in the capacity of Jesus. They say they are getting sick from accepting sins, and only a person like Jesus can take sins, so they are saying they are another Jesus.
Similarly show me ANY QUOTE from anyone besides yourself that states gurus can be gay, child molestors, etc . Don't tell me because so and so supported a particular guru who fell down therefore they said to support gay and child molestor gurus, etc. This is all your flowery language, and it isn't that flowery. You have been twisting the meanings of what devotees say for so long you that you seem to think you can fool others but the only person you are fooling is yourself. Why reject Prabhupada?
@blooped1 Jayadvaita swami says that the GBC gurus have been engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, I did nto say that, THEIR spokeman said that. I did not say they can absorb sins (and act like Jesus), they said that. I did not reinstated bogus deviants over and over as acharyas, they did. You seem to think i am them and they are me? No, THEY do these things and I merely REPORT what THEY do, you are blaming the messenger. You also have provided no quotes, told ya! ys pd
@pada1008 That's because there ARE no quotes from anyone saying you need to be Jesus except for YOU! YOU are the only one who ever said that. You are twisted.
@blooped1 They said they are diksha gurus, i.e. people who absorb sins, their followers said their gurus are getting sick from taking too many sins, so they think they are Jesus and taking sins, they said that? They still say that they are diksha gurus (absorbing sins like Jesus). They say that, I never said anything. ys pd
You have fifth class intelligence. You said in 1984 you challenged Tripurari that he didn't need to be voted in as Jesus if he was Jesus. But why does he need to be Jesus? Why not Muhammad? Lord Buddha? Ganesh? Meerabhai? Who are you to set the standard of guru in Iskcon as Jesus Christ for guru? There are so many gurus, why do we all have to be seen as Jesus Christ to please you? Do you even think Srila Prabhupada is equal to Jesus? Because you sued his movement for $400 million. What is that?
@blooped1 Because Tripurariclaims to be a diksha guru, a person who absorbs sins like Jesus. He thought he can become Jesus because he wanted to be voted in by child molesters, so this means he is attacking the real Jesus. Yes Tripurari claims to be a diksha guru, another Jesus, a person who absorbs sins, so I had to sue his operation for mass molesting because he was saying these molesters are gurus. ys pd
@pada1008 Muhammad was the guru for the Muhammadans. Guru Nanak is the guru for the Seiks. Why do you insist that Iskcon gurus be equal to Christ, why not Muhammad or Guru Nanak? How will you ever pay back the four hundred million you took away from your guru's movement? Prabhupada said to punish the child molestor he had in the gurukula in the seventies, he didn't say to sell all the temples and give away everything to some blooped kulis. You have sued your own guru's movement! Is he your Xguru
@blooped1 I am not insisting on anything, THEY are saying THEY are absorbing sins, which means THEY are saying THEY are able to do the job of Jesus. THEY are saying THEY are like Jesus, I am simply reporting what THEY are saying. You keep saying I am making these claims, yet THEY are making these claims, I am reporting THEIR claims, THEY say they are absorbing sins, THEY say they are this like Jesus. I never said THEY had to be like Jesus, THEY said they are like Jesus, can't you read? ys pd
@pada1008 You said,"I never said THEY had to be like Jesus". Then will you stop saying it please? I never heard anyone say it but you. Show me one quote in the history of Iskcon where it is directly stated by any so called guru, presently in Iskcon or not, that they are equal to Jesus and then I will concede. Too bad you rejected Srila Prabhupada and sued his movement instead of cooperating with your godbrothers as Srila Prabhupada wanted you to. We don't all come from a Christian background.
I know personally people they are reinitiated by Narayana Maharaja although their Gurus are still alive and initiated Gurus. How is this possible in the vaisnavatradition? Is this bonafide?
Those who are attached to fruitive activities, who are foolish and who proudly consider themselves learned become overwhelmed by the word jugglery of karma kanda. Being puffed up by those flowery words,
they become greatly attached to the mode of passion, lusty, angry as
a snake, proud and sinful. Thus they dare to blaspheme the pure devotees of Lord Sri Krsna.
@nandanugent I fully agree, for Narayana Maharaja to promote illicit sex as acharyas is beyond word jugglery, its downright sinful. And for him to promote child molesters as acharyas is worse than Putana, because his victims lived and suffered their whole lives. I agree fully. Those who promote child molesters as messiahs are worse than the ordinary materialistic man, says shastra, and they go to a far worse destination than the ordinary man, says shastra. Agreed. ys pd
LOL! It wasnt NM that gave the Iskcon leaders sannyasa. It wasnt him that made them GBC. It was the "fault" of your acarya Prabhupad. Didnt he make them the GBC and gave them Sannyasa. Are you telling us that he was too ignorant and didnt know this would take place??
@sadhubeast Dear Sadhubeast. N Mj thought that GBC who were falling down left, right and center, were messiahs. Srila Prabhupada suspended sannyasa in Jan 1977, saying they were too lusty. N Mj said, oh they are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, they must be messiahs. So you worship illicit sex with men, women and children as messiahs, and we do not, its that simply, as for you name, beast, even beasts do not engage in illicit sex with men, women and children. ys pd
Well Pada, I have read his Guru tattva book and I know for sure he never says what you are claiming. What is your proof and where is it located?? If you say that Prabhupad suspended sannysa in Jan 1977, its a bit late cause he left this world in 1977 November 14 so that 10 months wasnt gonna change the "mistake" he did with the first batches now does it? So please tell me what did your Prabhupad do when he got to know that some of his disciples were raping kids??
@sadhubeast There are tons of taped lectures of NM supporting Tamal, SDG, and the whole GBC as gurus, and he said they are not ritviks, they are gurus, because he thinks child molesters are gurus, its all on tape, he was giving them rasika classes because he thinks worship of sex with behinds is rasika. ys pd
No, I have piles of documents, for example in 1990 when the GBC gurus were getting ghost busted by Chitesvara, Narayana Maharaja then went to bat for the GBC gurus as documented in their ISKCON Journal. I said at the time, ghostly haunted people are not gurus or messiahs, and you say that my idea is concoction? I say messiahs are not full of ghosts and you say that is concoction? Well you are wrong, people who are full of ghosts are not God's successors, this is not concotion. ys pd
pada1008. Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja is not a ''fake''guru...why do we have all of this hostialty between us gaudiya math and you guys iskon....are we not all devotees
Narayana Mj supported Tamal and his post-1978 child molester messiahs project, and he incited his followers to say those of us protesting were "ritvik poison." The result was: thousands of children were molested, and us dissenters were banned, beaten with basball bats, and assassinated. So now you are telling us that support of a violent child molester guru cult is the behavior of "devotees"? And NM's Guru Tattva book says there was nothing wrong with their 1936 homosexual guru, same problems.
NM has been a big part of the molester messiah's regime. He was saying the big leaders of the molesters messiahs project are bona fide, and he tried to suppress us, and his followers called us "poison." Thus worship of child molester messiahs continued because of supporters like Narayana Maharaja. Then NM said the kids "got their karma." !!! NM is helping "give children their karma"? Who authorized him to give children karma?
Yes, supporters of Kamsa are responsible for their actions. Right.
@sadhubeast Narayana Maharaja was giving the GBC gurus rasika classes when they were reinstating homosexual child molesters as their acharyas. Why does NM want children to worship homosexual pedophiles as their messiahs? ys pd
Hmmmm, why did Prabhupad give them sannyasa in the first place?? Why make them leaders?? To me it boils down to what he first did and not his other god brothers. As I said, go into his samadhi and ask him. I think the grave is the best place for you.
NM never supported Tamal rather gave him siksa and answered queries from the iskcon Gurus who had trouble understanding siddhanta. I think even prabhupad knew what was going on when children getting molested in Iskcon. Why dont you go and ask him? Maybe he from his samadhi will tell you how his disciples were enjoying such "rasa".
@sadhubeast Srila Prabhupada said that when there are crimes, call the police, NM said when there are crimes, worship the criminals as acharyas. Big difference. NM said you need to worship the living bodies of the GBC, in other words, he worships living pedophiles. I am glad you admit that samadhi is worship of homosexuals as acharyas for you, some samadhi you got there pal! ys pd
No I dont believe he ever said anything like that. As I said, you should ask prabhupad why he formed the GBC and where you guys got confused about them being Guru's. YTous hould also ask the ISkcon leaders why they raped kids and not blame it on NM as he wouldnt have said its opk to worship any of them as Guru's. If Srila Prabhupad is a great acarya and non different from god then he would have known this was going on in Iskcon. So why didnt he stop it??
@sadhubeast You thing that even Prabhupad knew what was going on wehen children getting moested.everyone can thinking this or that..Thats only your Demon thinking rascal Mind..you speek without Proof about the gratest Man ..Please be carefull..otherwise you will go to Hell ..Yamaraj waiting for you..
@kartikeya1966 Like wise people can say all sorts of things about Other Acaryas and they to will have to meet Yamaraj. Yamaraj is not the person to sit idle and watch aparadh Kartikeya. Grow Up!! The same rules applies to all and not only 1. First make sure Iskcon wallas clean up yur own messes before thinking you people can clean someone elses. The fact is, there is very little dirst to clean up at another Org when you have greater filth in yours. Man up and face it.
@krsnaananda108 Well apparently thats what this Offender to saints who calls himself Pada1008 is trying to do. His offences will be dealt with in time by Krishna himself. Its as simple as that.
Leader sent message to meet in his upstairs office In passing he made fay hints that I ignored When they increased I objected.He became very happy,good-fellow,and then sketched basic theological overview.He was really decent,only checking if I was,and also he was really a monotheist,just using polytheism as social control.But external appearance of control by feigning polytheo reduces open declaration of God's unity
So your method is, to find a fault, round up those you want to abuse, mix them up in it and tell the world that you know how to save everybody.. Going for guru are we??. That may work with donkeys, there are plenty of them out there. If you want to be cheated krsna will send you to someone like you , then you can drink all the donkey urine you like.
When children were being mass molested by NM's molester messiah club, NM folks said I was "finding fault" and "being offensive" by criticizing NM's molester messiah club. Mass molesting is wrong and needs to be criticized, NM clan defended the molester messiah project. You do not need to be a guru to know that deviants are not messiahs? Every ten year old Christian child knows that already. You think I am trying to be guru, no I am trying to come up to the ten year old
Ghandi showed us that changing injustice does not come by being silent. Anyone who is still in ISKCON and blindly following has no true Krishna consciousness. To allow ones self to defend actions like child molestation, murder,
peversion and selfish greed is not devotion to Lord Krishna but idolizing false gurus with big egos.Surrending your will to a man with no integrity is not making spiritual progress. If every true Krishna devotee rose up and proclaimed injustice then change would come.
Thanks. Yes Sridhara and Narayana are very expert at saying "no one should criticize the great souls," like their bogus Vasudeva or their bogus post 1977 child molester guru cult, but these cults arent "great" except in their imaginations. Even the karmis have more sense to worship a nice devotee like Jesus, and immediately SM and NM are angry as fire that the "bogus ritviks" are worshiping Jesus and not their molester messiahs. If someone hates the worship of Jesus, he is attacking great souls.
Very nicely put realyogi1008 Prabhuji, you are totally correct.
In kali yuga everything is topsy turvey, the swindlers are seen as saints and vice versa. Pada1008 who is just telling it as it is is branded the 'offender' however the real cheaters, the ones taking them to hell in fact are being worshiped.
Prabhu I ask you please do not criticize your fellow Jivas, for it is the SIN we should hate and not the sinner. There is demonic behavior happing through out the world but we devotees try to focus on Krishna and purify our hearts, it can only be detremental to our progress in Bhakti point out ones faults regaurdless of who they are.
Thanks very much, you are correct, for Narayana Maharaja to criticize us as bogus ritviks (Prabhupada worshipers) because we failed to worship his molester messiah's project is very sinful. NM has no authority to promote the worship of deviants who are banning, beating, molesting and assassinating the devotees of God. You said it not me, Narayan Maharaja's promotion of the bogus Jesus club is demoniac. Yes, very detrimental to love of God. NM and SM should not criticize devotees, right!
like you have been criticizing and condemning for many years now and without much effect at all, should you not consider to change tactics? If something has not worked well in the past, why continue in the same way? It is well known if you attack people in the front of the public you never get the desired effect,in fact the opposite is true.Not that i havesuggestions for this, but i think its fruitless,better to get absorbed in chanting and seva, time to think about yourself baba
Thanks very much. Yes were making a few more lawsuits and we see these cases are already going very well. You are right, the best way to tackle bogus gurus is not to simply yabber, but to take them to court, and we are doing that. Other than that, we get favorable mails every day thanking us for exposing all this rubbish in the name of God. Yes, we need to make this public since the devotees who tried to protest secretly, like Taru, Chatur bahu and others, they were assassinated. Public is best.
Srila Prabhupada himself "approved" of many of these people, gave them sanjas & manager status,like bhavananda for example. So "approvement" can also mean total mercy and real Compassion. "not evil complicity" as Pada tries to brainwash everyone with. Read Bhagavad Gita 9.30, mercy to help someone fallen from hell. Unfortunate for him Pada does not consider this in the case of anyone else exept Prabhupada,He would surely help them as well even it make Him look bad in the eyes of the ignorantNO?
Srila Prabhupada said in early 1977 that none of his followers are fit for sannnyasa and that "everyone should get married." How does this mean they are fit to be worshipped as gurus? BG 9:30 says we need to be merciful to a fallen aspirant, fine, but the GBC/ SM guru cult are not claiming to be aspirants, they are claiming to be full fledged guru / messiahs? Shastra says false gurus are "narakaha sah" -- residents of hell, they do not get any mercy from God. A manager is not a messiah! Duh!
you misunderstood me...that is why the sanjas names of the gurus are none of the 108 proper sanjas names normally given. He "approved of them being worthy of help and mercy, not that the training was complete,not that He approved "as in You are gurus, no" still Srila Prabhupadas was so mercyful he tried to help them, total mercy means just that, look at us without His mercy, where would we be now? thats why we should follow Him, criticizing & condemning has the opposite effect psychologically.
3) davegarrett says: "Saying Pada1008 is mad does not disprove what he is saying, does it. Therefore it is beside the point."
But pada1008's aparadhically induced madness cannot be ignored in terms of us giving credence (or not) to what he says about his own Spiritual Master's senior and beloved Godbrother, SSM
2) davegarrett says: "No personal attacks should be used, no name calling, no personal insinuations"
Err...HELLO! Pada1008 is saying (based on his misunderstanding or ignorance of dozens of facts) that SSM was a knowing accessory to child molestation! Excuse me Dave, but that sounds like all the above three rolled into one in the most hideous way imaginable!
this is of course padas nonsense allegation. SSM was never ever engaged/connected in such a disgusting thing nor did he support child molestation in any way openly or hidden.For example If you see a devotee in a liquor shop, does it mean he is a drunkard,or is it maybe because he may want to help whoever runs the shopto goback to Krishna?If he got books with him and japa mala tilak on his head and preaches,should we think like pada,oh he supports drinking alcohol,hes fallen?aweful aparad pada
1) davegarret says: "You see all these guys simply say he is 'mad' 'pagal' etc"
I once posted 47 deeply considered comments to pada1008 (which took me a day to write) That's a bit more than just calling someone 'pagal'.
davegarrett says: "They dont even seem to understand the etiquette of civilised debate"
And I suppose that spreading blatant misinformation, omission, distortion, wild sensationalism and downright lies about SSM is Pada1008 demonstrating the art of 'civilized debate' is it?
wilfreed1 please, you dont even know what you are talking about.
When pada said 'Jesus' he meant Bhavananda who was saying he was as good as Jesus. Bhavananda had a falldown with a taxidriver. Bhavanadna said he was Jesus NOT Pada1008.
Please get your facts straight.
Pada1008 is not mad, he is just telling it as it is, and you should be ashamed of yourself for attacking an innocent man
How can you say one who spends his time making offence to Vaishnavas is innocent. According to Saptam Goswami the reaction for one who makes apparadha is millions and trillions of times more than one who commits the mahapapa unlimitedly. I can only conclude by the way he talks that he is a deeply disturbed soul. He needs help , the first thing is to stop making offense and get on with becoming Krsna conscious. To make apparadha is like trying to swim the ocean with a rock tied around the neck.
1).I've heard all the talks between SSM and the GBC/ISKCON 11, which is hundreds (how many have you heard?) And I know for a fact that you are wrong in dozens of the things you say. And to be honest, knowing how wrong you are and still seeing you do what you do, Infuriates me....cont in comment 2...
Youre not reading Sridhara Maharaja's books, that is for sure. In his book Sri Guru he says that acharyas/ Krishna's pure devotee guru successors/ aka Jesus, are prone to become "mad after money, women and followers." Jesus is prone to be a mad fool and drunken womanizer? Vedas says it is a severe offense to say that Krishna's successors are prone to be drunken womanizers guruv-aparadha. Youre not reading SMs books, he says Krishna's gurus may become mad fools. Ive read his books. Madman gurus!
2)...but the main reason for you often going 'unchallenged' is because challenging you (or even trying to reasonably point out your errors) only perpetuates your spewing out of offensive misinformation, which is undesirable. You will no doubt spew out some more after reading this comment. But you should at least no this much: Please don't flatter yourself by thinking that the reason you go unchallenged is because you are right!
I've publicly challenged the Sridhara folks to debate for years. Yes, Ive read hundreds of SSM's items, including his support for Jayatirtha, Ramesvara, Tamal, Hansadutta and others. Example: when Hansadutta told Sridhara he was taking drugs and having sex with followers, Sridhara told him to continue as guru i.e. drug addicts and sex mongers are Sridhara's messiahs, which does not infuriate you, rather our exposing it is what infuriates you. Sridhara supported them, its on record. Thanks pd
Narayana Mj supported the child molester guru regime, the GBC accepted his advice. Recently he hugged Kirtanananda because he still supports molester guru regime leaders. The GBC didnt reject his advice, he said they are to be worshiped as rati keli gurus - they agreed. Whereas I said child molesters are not gurus and NM said I was a deviant. So NM likes to waste his life promoting deviants as gurus and I do not. NM also later on accepted the poison issue thanks to me. He accepted my advice.
So you also want to be Guru? Like Madhu pandit wants to be worshipped as Prabhupad.
You should immediately apologise to any Vaisnava of any level that you have offended and stop this poisoning of the whole Hare Krsna movement. You have nothing to offer, no sadhu sanga, no Hari katha, nothing positive.
You are a member of an apasampradaya.
SNM has cut all of your arguments in Bangalore last year.
Flooding the Internet with disinformation is all you know.
Obviously those who molest children etc are avaisnava - not vaisnavas,they are not on any level.
Someone asked SNM 'how can you forgive the unforgivable?'(refering to kirtanananda).
He said that you cannot (kanishta) but we can (sadhu). A saint is known by his ability to forgive.
I was never in iskcon, I have no sympathy either for bogus child molesting so-called vaisnava gurus. BUT I will defend those righteous and pure devotees who uphold the vani of SP and our guru parampara.
"BUT I will defend those righteous and pure devotees who uphold the vani of SP and our guru parampara."
Well, I will do the same and defend the righteous and pure devotees who's sole aim is to restore Prabhupada's great movement free from corruption and bogus guru's.
Thankyou, so I will not tolerate your blaspheming of them.
Deviants arent gurus, thats what bona fide sat sishyas say. Scriptures: gurusuh narah matih naraka sah, anyone like NM who promotes fallen people as gurus are residents of hell, narakah. The sat, the eternal, has nothing at all to do with NMs asat molester messiah project. NM made disciples (sisyas) of the child molester gurus, and the result was mass molesting. Now NM saying his molester pooja sisyas are sat, eternal? When are you guys going to wake up? NMs molester pooja is bogus. Period
Good, then for your sake I hope you are not trying to lump His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja in that or any other mundane category. You may not have the adhikar for understanding who is a devotee and who is not so do not spoil your life by making the mad elephant offence. Best to learn some humility which is the backbone for advancement.
Sridhara Maharaja writes that "acharyas (people like Jesus) go mad after money, women and follwers." SM in essence says that people like Jesus are equal to the town drunkard. Worse, SM says we cannot worship persons like Jesus becuase that is the bogus ritvik idea, rather we need to worship his "living (molester) guru" cult. Thanks but we will worship the pure, not the living town drunkards. And yes, supporting the worship of molesters as messiahs -- caused the molesting: Aiding and abetting.
I have understood from reading all of your comments that you are a greatly advanced scholar of atma tattva, but don't you think there may be just the slightest chance that you may be misunderstanding what He is saying. I mean you almost appear to be telling the reader what to think by adding your own conception. Or maybe you believe that you are guru yourself.
sorry pada but the living "Guru Cult" is The Lords personal creation,not molester so,or by vote,butgenuine self illuminated yes.Parampara,disciplic succession is well documented and fully promoted by Prabhupada in His books, whereas ritvik as disciplic succession isnt,full stop.Neither has he written in any of his books that ritvik is to be practiced after his passing,no mentioning of ritvik in his will,"the system as it is" does not automatically mean ritvik replacing parampara
Molesters gurus, the founder fathers of molester gurus, the reinstators of molester gurus, people voted in by molester gurus, are not in the parampara? Yes, self illunimated guru is possible, but so far the GBC has only auhtorized their post 1977 molester cult. So yes, show us the self illuminated guru? You forgot his name? Show us who is the self illuminated guru you are talking about, and quit all your bluffing for the past 35 years. No more bluff, tell us who he is, quit prevaricating.
Then I suppose you also understand the ettiquite of law that one is innocent until proven guilty?
There is not one iota of evidence to any of padas madness.
Here is a prrofound point. Srila Prabhupada would criticize his own godbrothers. He grew up with them, served with them, and argued much philosophy with them so it is natural that He has a close relationship with them and by the strength of their affection can ,so called ,criticize them for His own reasons. But tell me who gave Pada. cont
Cont, the right to step up and criticize those great personalities who are Srila Prabhupadas own life and soul? What a puffed up offender he must be to think he is even capable of looking any of them in the eye what to speak of understanding those persons relationships with Krsna. That is why I can understand he(pada) has been drinking donkey urine and thinking he is drinking cow milk. What an unfortunate soul...
Srila Prabhupada never said deviants are God's successor gurus / acharyas. This is the Gaudiya Matha deviation he doesnt agree with. I support SP, I also do not think that people who are "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" are as pure as Jesus and diksha gurus. I think this is correct and that most SANE people will agree, deviants are not God's successor messiahs. So on this point SP never agreed with his God brothers, SP says the messiah must be pure, not deviant. thanks pd
Fine but the point is you are labellimg great saintly personalities as deviants. You don't seem to understand that they are only giving the jiva souls an opportunity to serve Krsna. They have mercy while you only have words. And foul ones to boot. You are an exact replica of the 11 regional gurus. You only seem to hanker after pratista have no idea what real bhakti is and endevour to mislead others to satisfy your depravity. And the strangest thing is you think you are pleasing Srila Prabhupada.
First of all, its SM and NM who promoted deviants as great persons and gurus? Not me? They are the ones who juxtaposed great saints and deviants, thuis insulting the great souls. If I say that Rasputin is "pure as God guru," that is an insult to God and guru. I do not say this type of thing, I said the guru must be pure. And as soon as I said that SM and NM attacked me and defended the deviants posing as saints. Gita says deviants posing as saints are going down, and so are their supporters.
You mean the 11 are / were pure devotees, as the SM and NM cult supported in 78? Molesters, drunkards, womanizers, criminals, this is their idea of a pure successor to God? Well it is not mine! I objected to their idea that the 11 are pure, and most people think: I am right. At the moment a follower of the SM cult is saying he wants to sue me in court, apparently because I was the one who said molesters are not God's Jesus-like messiah successors. I am blaspheming to say that? Are you nutters?
No, SP said he was being poisoned, then SM and NM started a cult of supporting the prime culprits of the poisoning as "gurus." They are to blame for support of bogus gurus, look what happened to Romaharsana, we cannot support bogus gurus. Prabhupada said they are not fit for sannyasa, and then NM and SM supported these fools as gurus, just like 1936 Gaudiya Matha deviants became gurus. Deviants are not gurus, hate to have to tell you that! SM's 1936 Guru cult also had murders.
exactly,a spiritual master may protect his disciples from going elsewhere,because it is better in general to learn the basics and advance properly first,so he may say things about others for his disciples protection,but this does not mean that those other gurus are really useless,that would make Prabhupada an offender himself.When Prabhupada said something he would stick to it always,not apologize for it ever but he did apologize and thats why he never meant it at all the way it sounded.
Great. Narayana Maharaja supported the avaishnavas as Krishna's guru successors. That means he is a fool. And he never forgives us, he lets us sit outside his room and he does nto talk to us, because he is still holding a grudge that we rejected his pedophile guru process. He never forgives us. He only hugs the pedophiles, not us, we worship the pure and he hates that. He has room in his heart only for pedophile pooja, that is correct. Agreed. thanks pd
Frankly I wouldn't waste my time with you either. You seem to be pagal. Quite incoherant and lacking in substance. It's no wonder SNM wouldn't see you . You are such a great offender to Srila Prabhupada and our whole Guru Parampara. Do you actually want to surrender or just become guru?
Thanks, yes this is exactly how Narayana Maharaja policy got thousands of children molested and dissenters murdered. As soon as we said that child molesters are not gurus, and children are being molested under the GBC/ Nm regime, THEN NM's followers said that our idea of defending children is pagal, and so the molesting went on under NM's ideology, and dissenters were murdered. thanks for admitting, NM clan said our idea: molesters are not messiahs is pagal. They still do, good point. YS pd
I dont need to be guru? I said that NM should not support the worship of homosexual pedophiles as Krishna's guru successors, even Bruger King folk know that I'm right! NM attacked us as bogus and he supported Tamal's regime, and he is still hugging Kirtanananda, while he refuses to talk to us who do not worship pedophile messiahs. Now NM says Bangalore food distribution is bogus, he left his OWN teen wife with baby, now wants to starve the widows that he makes? He hates feeding the poor? OK!
NM refused to talk to me - after he invited me to his house, since he cannot answer our first question, why has he supported the child molester guru program, and he still hugs them? I have offended no one, I did not promote this "poison," NM did.
NM promotes molester messiahs, they molest kids and kill my friends, and I have to apologize for not accepting NM's molester murder guru program? I am sorry, I apologize, NM's regime got our blood its shoes, I have to wash off the shoes and apologize?
I though this was a video of MY GURUDEVA...SRILA NARAYANA MAHARAJA SPEAKING...where by it is impossible for him to tell a lie or make a mistake being PERFECT AND UNCONDITIONED.
But when I saw this was just some guy speaking I was reminded of how ISKCON TELL US PRABHUDAD SAID THIS...
"BLACK MEN ARE SUDRAS & CANNOT BE KRSNA CONSCIOUS"
&
"WOMEN CANNOT LIBERATE. THEY HAVE TO TAKE MALE BODY"
LOLOLOLOL!!!
If you believe THESE MEN WHO SAID PRABHUPADA SAID THIS - YOU WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING!
vedicSastra you are a well known deviant, you portray ISKCON as a dogmatic, religious intollerant organisation with you hate filled anti muslim propaganda. Prabhupada never said we should do like that.
And lets get the record straight.
Prabhupada says many times, women are of lower birth and that black men are sudras. But we are all sudra anyway.
Butas for women and blacks not being able to have bhakti, this is never found anywhere in Prabhupada's books. This is never said anywhere.
Yes NM believes these fools who said the above and that theyre gurus, youre right. And now you are laughing at NM's support of a violent child molester's guru regime and NM supported the regime that was molesting them? NM folks think victimized children are a funny hah, hah LOL item? No wonder, NM folks laughed at me when I said children are getting molested in the 1980s, and they still are. By the way NM is still a fool, he hugs the homosexual anti-woman pooja Kirtanananda even today, not us.
"There were so many mistakes in Prabhupads' original Gita."
Prabhupada read from every verse and gave class on those very verses from the original gita for years. He was happy with it and did not feel that anything was 'wrong' with it.
Prabhupada never authorised any changes in the bogus 'new Revised' Gita, nor did he say anything was wrong with verse 32 chapter 9.
I'm travelling at the moment so do not have acess to All of Srila Prabhupads lectures but you are welcome to find his lecture on that verse and see what he says.
Read the transliteration . It says those of lower birth, women, vaishas, sudras etc..Not lower birth- women, sudras etc. Subtle but thats the difference.
That's exactly my point. Prabhupada's Gita has hyphen NOT comma. Thats in original Mcmillan Gita. Hyphen. Prabhupada approved of the first edition, he authorised it.
Now Narayana Maharaja disproves of this, says its 'wrong', his disciples also think that. Thats fine, you are entitled to your opinion.
But that is challenging the authority of Prabhupada. Please remember Prabhupada authorised that Gita, that verse with hyphen, he did not say anything was wrong with it.
There were so many mistakes in Prabhupads' original Gita. Srila Prabhupada had an enormous mission and athough He is certainly perfect he has left some work for his disciples,clarifying certain philosophical points .Just like the origin of the jiva.Does he fall or has he always been in illusion? If you take the GBC voted tattva you will believe that he has fallen and will again return. But that is not the Sampradayas tattva.Jiva G say "cid eka rasanam apyanadi paratattva jnan sansagabav maya.
Srila Prabhupada says: "we were all originally in Krishna's lila or sport," and "we became envious of Krishna and fell down." Narayana Maharaja says "no vaishnava would ever say that." Apparently NM is from the Catholic church, he believes the jivas just landed here somehow or other. Problem is that NM's is not truly a Catholic because he mixes up messiahs and pedophiles whereas the church knows the priest is failing, not the messiah. So in the future NM might be advanced enough to be Catholic.
Srila Prabhupada says we ALL saw Krishna face to face, in a letter; says were ALL in Lila in an Austalian lecture, says everywhere we need to return home BACK to Godhead, not back to NM's brahman and so on an so forth. NM is a mayavadi. Meanwhile NM says pure devotees never fall down, except his pure devotees are homosexuals, pedophiles, monkeys etc! Sridhara says acharyas are sometimes mad criminals. And NM did not allow us into his room, he forgets we are part of Krishna too. Youre correct.
The answer might be found in that: Narayana Maharaja maybe should get out there and hug some woman, any woman at all will do actually, and he should quit hugging homosexual pedophiles posing as Krishna's messiahs; while saying we are poison because we don't hug his pedophile messiahs. That is the real issue, NM is the best friend of the anti-woman and pro-pedophile messiah's project and he still is, still hugging Kirtanananda while avoiding those of us who worship the pure devotees Prabhupada.
An Uttam adhikari has no distinction who is fit and who is not. He sees everyone as the perfect servitor of Sri Krsna and everyone is serving nicely in his own mood.
How can you be so foolish to assume you know better what is to be done. You make a mistake and you go to hell , He gives his mercy to someone and they become purified. I suggest that you again try and see NM and see if you can cure those festering sores in your heart.
Scripture say Guru narah matih narakah sah, anyone who (NM) says that gurus are monkeys, they are residents of hell. Monkeys arent "one" with pure devotees, this is sahajiya. Prabhupada says juxtposing impure with pure leads one to hell. Never mind NM's policy of worship of homosexual pedophile gurus ALREADY made hell for children under his regime. NM policy created hell, no waiting required, kids starved, beat, molested, while he sat around talking "rasika" to the goonda henchmen and perps
Narayana Mj is the one who says (a) we have to worship his homosexual pedophile guru lineage: he still hugs them (b) when children get molested he blames Krishna, he says children are getting their karma: God is blamed. NM promotes anti children pedo-gurus with his giant jackboots then blames God? He is an atheist. No, God is not doing wrong, NM is doing wrong! Narayana robs the bank, then says, God told me to rob? This is atheism! God is not doing wrong, NM is! God molested the children? No!
Snskrit for monkey is markat, Narayana thinks the markat is fit to be worshipped as a guru and servant of Radha. Worse, if one is monkey who likes to have homosex with children then Narayana Mj will REALLY fall off his chair and embrace one, as he did recently by embracing his favorite pedophile messiah Kirtananda. BUT those of us who do not worship monkey sex, NM wont even meet us because we think the gopis are pure and not his putrid molesters. Nm is pasandi in sanskrit, disobeys Vedas. pd
When one's intelligence is rooted in maya (illusion), one sees others as friends and enemies. Otherwise how is it possible for one who is udita viveka to see anything as not belonging to Krsna?
Narayana Maharaja is the person who hugs homosexual pedophile messiahs while avoiding persons who worship Prabhupada, calling us poison. Monkey sex pooja is what he hugs while worship of the pure is "poison." If we are all part of Krishna, why avoid those of us who do not worship his homosexual pedophile messiah project? NM only hugs the pedophiles who molested kids and helped murder devotees? If we are all one, he avoids us and hugs only the pedophiles, NM discriminates against non-pedo pooja?
"So here is the question. Is a women a lower birth than a man?"
"Women are inferior to men, and... men are given full charge of the women." (Srila Prabhupada)
"If the answer is yes then perhaps you can explain why SP gave brahmin initiation to women?"
Answer......
""O son of Prtha, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth--women, vaisyas [merchants], as well as sudras [workers]--can approach the supreme destination."
The verse that Narayana Maharaja had a devotee read; Ch.9 Verse 32 was translated and written by Srila Prabhupada. Even if edited, it was approved by Srila Prabhupada as it is exatly the same as the Original Macmillan Gita.
Regarding women and the Vedas, clearly Narayana Maharaja supported the anti-woman/ children and pro-homosexual pedophile guru position. For example, NM leaves us sitting at his door waiting, after he invites us to talk. Yet as soon as NM sees his homosexual pedophile guru lineage pal Kirtanananda NM falls down and licks KS's boots and NM has unlimited time to talk to the homosexual pedophile messiahs. So NM has supported the anti-woman and children pro-molester guru agenda and still does. pd
Narayana Mj embraces pedophile gurus and thousands of kids are molested as a result. Getuff embraces them too? "My ego"? They dont even care about the thousands of kids who were molested because NM (STILL!) embraces the molesters gurus? NM says tough beans, its your karma - for NM to drive his army tank. NM's ego is boundless, he has zero concern for his victims, NM hugs pervert messiahs and Getuff applauds. NM would not meet me because I know all this. Getuff can only insult like his master.
In a lecture Narayana Maharaja instructs a devotee to read verse which appears in Prabhupadas ORIGINAL unchanged gita.
After he reads the verse;
"O son of Prtha, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth--women, vaisyas [merchants], as well as sudras [workers]--can approach the supreme destination."
(B.G. CH9 32)
Narayana Maharaja says;
"THIS IS WRONG. IT IS TOTALLY WRONG"
(Narayana Maharaja Lecture The Hague, Holland, 13/7/2005)
Gee you meam I should answer this? You on the other hand simply change the subject or flatly do not answer. All of this has been previously described yet it seems to pass through your truth filter.
Why do you think you have the authority to speak in such a way of a boafide Spiritual Master? What is your transendental glory?
Frankly I have to assume by your comments that you are intelectually challenged and rather a bore to try and talk reason with.
Narayana Maharaja has been drooling on himself for the past 30 years being unable to answer: why does he promote monkeys as Krishna's successor gurus? And why his book says there is nothing wrong with the 1936 homosexual guru. NM invited me to his ashram then made me sit outside for 10 hours refused to talk to me. No wonder, he cannot answer the questions presented by a flea. By Vedic standard refusing to debate means he lost. Anyway, his idea that monkeys are gurus is bogus. Keep drooling! pd
Very true pada1008, he promotes child molester guru's but opposes Srila Prabhupada's genuine followers. How can anyone in their right mind think this person will lead them back to godhead? It is such a shame this cheating is going on.
Narayana Mj invites me to his place, then refuses to even see me. He leaves me sitting for 10 hours. NM has no idea of ordinary mundane etiquette even. I have never been made to sit for 10 hours after being invited somewhere. NM is the most rude person I have ever encountered. The reason he refused to see me is simple, he could not explain the bogus statements he has made over the years. Anyway hes co-founder father of the pedophile pooja regime, so NM has ruined the lives of COUNTLESS kids.
Suchandra posted 04 May 08 Srila Narayana Maharaja says in his book "The True Conception Of Guru-Tattva", that there was nothing wrong with the 1936 guru program of the Gaudiya-matha. [PD: Well there you have it, there is nothing wrong when homosexuals are worshiped as God's successors. A karmi friend said that when Narayana says monkeys and homosexuals are God's successors, that means he is saying God is a monkey and a homosexual. This friend says, NM seems to hate God, he insults God daily. pd
Narayana Maharaja says that the founder fathers of the 1936 homosexual guru program such as Sridhara and Madhava are his idea of acharyas. A homosexual was made the guru by Sridhara, then dissenters were banned, beat and assassinated, then the son of the guru was poisoned to death, then bad media news, and then Narayana's Guru Tattva book says "there was nothing wrong" with the 1936 guru program. So NM likes to worship man to man sex as his idea of messiah gopis, and we do not. Thanks pd
yes you have got at least some spiritual knowledge, "bit" like a part & parcell,bit like noneworthy. And I mean this is what we should talk, the basics. Not this ra(ksha)sika bit your tail bhoga nonsense foolosophy. A man may be dress like a saint, but a soon as he openes his mouth you will see who he realy is. By the way I am far away to offend anybody, but to call thief a thief is the matter of honesty & truth.
the bhogus karmavada fallse justification idea is the best evidence of the deviation under the current GBC in mayaiskcon. Where Krishna says such a nonsence?! But be careful they are ready to create it. Stop rascal kali chela support of the soulkillers fallse gurus, our silence is a support to these demons. It is a war going on, I beg for the strength & wisdom to serve those who are against "the sinister movement within our society". You cant winn rascals, because Krishna is not on your site!!!
my name means dasa, the servant of pada1008, Dharmasetu & others who you deride. It is so pity to watch you so confused, still our warning to the innocent is: Dont listen to black snakes mayavada nonsense of self made rasika bhogus gurus. Thats my name. ...dasa
We are the ones who deserve your name "get tuff." When we said pedophiles and criminals are NOT Krishna's messiah successors, then ALL the dogs barked, Sridhara, Narayana, the bogus GBC, they all harassed. SM said I was not authorized. NM said I was poison. People from their team were sent to kill me but were intercepted by officer Joe Sanchez and the FBI. We got tough on their molester pooja, and they called us names and they still do. They are angry we exposed their SM/NM bogus GBC "gurus."
As you carry on, day in, day out, year in, year out, seeing and assessing everything according to your karmically acquired, bad experience influenced, provincial, and - I'm sure even you can't deny - fallible vision, PLEASE, while offering a little prayer at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada (who I'm sure is in uttama bhagavat devotional bliss regardless of what you think is good or bad) PLEASE try to accommodate this:
And as the bogus persons carry on with their bogus rascal nonsense year in year out, which is obviously a good karmic aquisition isnt it? And you are praying a prayer at the feet of these false gurus, please spare a thought for those innocent souls who will be ripped off in the future!
...that Lord Krishna reserves the right to allow things to turn out in a way that even his pure devotees are surprised by, what to speak of you!
And Lord Krishna is ALL GOOD...remember?
How sad that it is that this comment will probably not stop you from carrying on, day in, day out, year in, year out, with with your karmically acquired, bad experience influenced, limited, provincial - and I'm sure even you can't deny - fallible vision....
Prabhupada's vision was not 'fallable'. We can therefore be sure Narayana maharaja is not a bonafide acharya.
"Actually amoungst my Godbrothers NO ONE is qualified to become acharya"
(Srila Prabhupada Letter,28/4/74)
"So these rascals, Godbrothers, they are envious that... Enviousness is immediately disqualification of Vaisnava, imediate. He (Bon Maharaja)is not a human being. (Srila Prabhupada Room conversation, 8th January,1977)
Where is your so called civility when your mouth only knows one thing. The first offence in chanting Sri Nama is to blaspheme those devotees who have dedicated their lives to the Lord. Your envy is so great that you can only blaspheme.
How is it that you know what NM's teaching are. Do you listen to them with an open mind? I have heard Him speak so many times and read so many of His lectures and according to tattva there is no difference in what they speak.
Narayana Maharaja says that chanting yani kani, as established by Srila Prabhupada all over ISKCON, is karma kanda. NM says Srila Prabhupada's jiva tattva is bogus etc. So Narayana Maharaja says that worship of Srimate Tulsi is mundane. Of course NM says Jesus worship is mundane yajnamana since he is worshiped by priests, so those of us who do not worship NM's child molester guru program are mundane materialists. Tulsi is mundane? NM always disagrees with and insults the pure devotees, thanks pd
Wow ,,you pack a whole lot of nonsense. Actually it's because you don't have a Guru that you claim such apparadhas to be true.
Regarding yani kani. In first grade you learn all subjects but as you progress you start to specialize in certain subjects. Our goal is unnatojvala rasam sva bhakti sriyam. If you want pure love after having taken shelter under Sri Radha's wing, will you be thinking that "oh ,If I circumambulate tulasi I will absolve all of my sins??? No you will not. Think about it..
Srila Prabhupada thought about it and established we should chant yani kani and do not change anything after I depart. He never said Tulasi pooja is karma kanda. NM says that when the pure devotee gives us our mantras, we are karma vadis. Regarding first grade, worship of deviants as promoted by NM and SM is not even done by dogs or first graders? I have a guru, my guru says chant the Tulasi mantra, and DO NOT follow SM/NM's homo-pooja. Dogs do not promote homo-pooja like SM and NM. Agreed
"The first offence in chanting Sri Nama is to blaspheme those devotees who have dedicated their lives to the Lord."
I have said it many times, Narayana Maharaja is NOT a devotee. Therefore there is no offence.
Lets start from there. How can one make offence by stating that Narayana is NOT A GURU. That is the truth, actually he is not even a vaisnava as he is ENVIOUS and criticises Srila Prabhupada.
=kali=baal=baphomet=satan. theses blood sacrificing aryans are just in disguise. they are running the world bank and controlling world religions.
jainbuddha 8 months ago
krishna=shiva=
jainbuddha 8 months ago
illuminati international cult. european invaders of india=animal/human sacrificing untouchable brahmins. Krishna drugged food, anti hippie CIA cult. jain dharma=the real culture of india.
jainbuddha 8 months ago
Ravindra Svarupa said it best, the only thing you have to be satisfied with is your little mind. "How's the slut wife Linda and the bastard little kids"? lol He got you that time, or was that some other fringie devotee. Also Iskcon B'luru is the one who blocked the entire road in B'luru not Iskcon Mum. You made another "mistake" there as well, twisting the meanings around as always. You are one twisted sister! I wonder if Prabhupada has rejected you? Seriously! You rejected him didn't you?
blooped1 8 months ago
@blooped1 Ravindra is another person who got sick and had to have a blood transfusion, and idiots in ISKCON said to me that he got sick from taking too many sins (like Jesus takes sins). Sorry, Ravindra is not Lord Jesus re-incarnated who can absorb sins, I hate to tell yout this, he only thinks he is absorbing sins because he is the second coming of Jesus of Nazarteth, but he cannot even absorb the sins of a flea. Linda is not my wife either, get your facts straight. ys pd
pada1008 8 months ago
And blooped1 is also complaining about the child molesting lawsuit because he wanted these victim children to go on commiting suicide. He wants children to die, told ya! ys pd
pada1008 8 months ago
Is JESUS the only guru example you can think of? Because there are so many more. No one is using Jesus as an example of a guru except for you that I can see. Not one devotee is comparing themself to Christ or saying it is necessary to be on His level except for you. Therefore you are misleading people. On purpose. For that you will go to hell? And you rejected Srila Prabhupada otherwise why would you sue his movement for hundreds of millions of dollars that you can never pay back? You are fallen
blooped1 8 months ago
@blooped1 No, all gurus accept sins, I am using the example of Jesus because THEY have used it. I am citing them, I am citing their documents where they said their gurus are like Jesus. If you support them then you are supporting their documents. They say they are getting sick from absorbing sins, so they are saying they are acting in the capacity of Jesus. They say they are getting sick from accepting sins, and only a person like Jesus can take sins, so they are saying they are another Jesus.
pada1008 8 months ago
Similarly show me ANY QUOTE from anyone besides yourself that states gurus can be gay, child molestors, etc . Don't tell me because so and so supported a particular guru who fell down therefore they said to support gay and child molestor gurus, etc. This is all your flowery language, and it isn't that flowery. You have been twisting the meanings of what devotees say for so long you that you seem to think you can fool others but the only person you are fooling is yourself. Why reject Prabhupada?
blooped1 8 months ago
@blooped1 Jayadvaita swami says that the GBC gurus have been engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, I did nto say that, THEIR spokeman said that. I did not say they can absorb sins (and act like Jesus), they said that. I did not reinstated bogus deviants over and over as acharyas, they did. You seem to think i am them and they are me? No, THEY do these things and I merely REPORT what THEY do, you are blaming the messenger. You also have provided no quotes, told ya! ys pd
pada1008 8 months ago
@pada1008 That's because there ARE no quotes from anyone saying you need to be Jesus except for YOU! YOU are the only one who ever said that. You are twisted.
blooped1 8 months ago
@blooped1 They said they are diksha gurus, i.e. people who absorb sins, their followers said their gurus are getting sick from taking too many sins, so they think they are Jesus and taking sins, they said that? They still say that they are diksha gurus (absorbing sins like Jesus). They say that, I never said anything. ys pd
pada1008 8 months ago
You have fifth class intelligence. You said in 1984 you challenged Tripurari that he didn't need to be voted in as Jesus if he was Jesus. But why does he need to be Jesus? Why not Muhammad? Lord Buddha? Ganesh? Meerabhai? Who are you to set the standard of guru in Iskcon as Jesus Christ for guru? There are so many gurus, why do we all have to be seen as Jesus Christ to please you? Do you even think Srila Prabhupada is equal to Jesus? Because you sued his movement for $400 million. What is that?
blooped1 8 months ago
@blooped1 Because Tripurariclaims to be a diksha guru, a person who absorbs sins like Jesus. He thought he can become Jesus because he wanted to be voted in by child molesters, so this means he is attacking the real Jesus. Yes Tripurari claims to be a diksha guru, another Jesus, a person who absorbs sins, so I had to sue his operation for mass molesting because he was saying these molesters are gurus. ys pd
pada1008 8 months ago
@pada1008 Muhammad was the guru for the Muhammadans. Guru Nanak is the guru for the Seiks. Why do you insist that Iskcon gurus be equal to Christ, why not Muhammad or Guru Nanak? How will you ever pay back the four hundred million you took away from your guru's movement? Prabhupada said to punish the child molestor he had in the gurukula in the seventies, he didn't say to sell all the temples and give away everything to some blooped kulis. You have sued your own guru's movement! Is he your Xguru
blooped1 8 months ago
@blooped1 I am not insisting on anything, THEY are saying THEY are absorbing sins, which means THEY are saying THEY are able to do the job of Jesus. THEY are saying THEY are like Jesus, I am simply reporting what THEY are saying. You keep saying I am making these claims, yet THEY are making these claims, I am reporting THEIR claims, THEY say they are absorbing sins, THEY say they are this like Jesus. I never said THEY had to be like Jesus, THEY said they are like Jesus, can't you read? ys pd
pada1008 8 months ago
@pada1008 You said,"I never said THEY had to be like Jesus". Then will you stop saying it please? I never heard anyone say it but you. Show me one quote in the history of Iskcon where it is directly stated by any so called guru, presently in Iskcon or not, that they are equal to Jesus and then I will concede. Too bad you rejected Srila Prabhupada and sued his movement instead of cooperating with your godbrothers as Srila Prabhupada wanted you to. We don't all come from a Christian background.
blooped1 8 months ago
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I know personally people they are reinitiated by Narayana Maharaja although their Gurus are still alive and initiated Gurus. How is this possible in the vaisnavatradition? Is this bonafide?
stageofsilence 1 year ago
Those who are attached to fruitive activities, who are foolish and who proudly consider themselves learned become overwhelmed by the word jugglery of karma kanda. Being puffed up by those flowery words,
they become greatly attached to the mode of passion, lusty, angry as
a snake, proud and sinful. Thus they dare to blaspheme the pure devotees of Lord Sri Krsna.
nandanugent 1 year ago
@nandanugent I fully agree, for Narayana Maharaja to promote illicit sex as acharyas is beyond word jugglery, its downright sinful. And for him to promote child molesters as acharyas is worse than Putana, because his victims lived and suffered their whole lives. I agree fully. Those who promote child molesters as messiahs are worse than the ordinary materialistic man, says shastra, and they go to a far worse destination than the ordinary man, says shastra. Agreed. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008
LOL! It wasnt NM that gave the Iskcon leaders sannyasa. It wasnt him that made them GBC. It was the "fault" of your acarya Prabhupad. Didnt he make them the GBC and gave them Sannyasa. Are you telling us that he was too ignorant and didnt know this would take place??
sadhubeast 1 year ago
@sadhubeast Dear Sadhubeast. N Mj thought that GBC who were falling down left, right and center, were messiahs. Srila Prabhupada suspended sannyasa in Jan 1977, saying they were too lusty. N Mj said, oh they are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, they must be messiahs. So you worship illicit sex with men, women and children as messiahs, and we do not, its that simply, as for you name, beast, even beasts do not engage in illicit sex with men, women and children. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008
Well Pada, I have read his Guru tattva book and I know for sure he never says what you are claiming. What is your proof and where is it located?? If you say that Prabhupad suspended sannysa in Jan 1977, its a bit late cause he left this world in 1977 November 14 so that 10 months wasnt gonna change the "mistake" he did with the first batches now does it? So please tell me what did your Prabhupad do when he got to know that some of his disciples were raping kids??
sadhubeast 1 year ago
@sadhubeast There are tons of taped lectures of NM supporting Tamal, SDG, and the whole GBC as gurus, and he said they are not ritviks, they are gurus, because he thinks child molesters are gurus, its all on tape, he was giving them rasika classes because he thinks worship of sex with behinds is rasika. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
pada1008 isn't ISKCON or non-ISKCON.
He's been caught into a grip of totally one-sided vision of history.
He mixes facts with concoctions and believes in it all and smears with his paste everybody around, be it from ISKCON, Narayan, Śridhar, etc.
strzebowiska 2 years ago
No, I have piles of documents, for example in 1990 when the GBC gurus were getting ghost busted by Chitesvara, Narayana Maharaja then went to bat for the GBC gurus as documented in their ISKCON Journal. I said at the time, ghostly haunted people are not gurus or messiahs, and you say that my idea is concoction? I say messiahs are not full of ghosts and you say that is concoction? Well you are wrong, people who are full of ghosts are not God's successors, this is not concotion. ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
pada1008. Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja is not a ''fake''guru...why do we have all of this hostialty between us gaudiya math and you guys iskon....are we not all devotees
JAY JAY SRILA GURUDEVA!!!!!!
krsnaananda108 2 years ago
Narayana Mj supported Tamal and his post-1978 child molester messiahs project, and he incited his followers to say those of us protesting were "ritvik poison." The result was: thousands of children were molested, and us dissenters were banned, beaten with basball bats, and assassinated. So now you are telling us that support of a violent child molester guru cult is the behavior of "devotees"? And NM's Guru Tattva book says there was nothing wrong with their 1936 homosexual guru, same problems.
pada1008 2 years ago
so what are you saying prabhu, that NM is responsible for all those children getting molested?
krsnaananda108 2 years ago
NM has been a big part of the molester messiah's regime. He was saying the big leaders of the molesters messiahs project are bona fide, and he tried to suppress us, and his followers called us "poison." Thus worship of child molester messiahs continued because of supporters like Narayana Maharaja. Then NM said the kids "got their karma." !!! NM is helping "give children their karma"? Who authorized him to give children karma?
Yes, supporters of Kamsa are responsible for their actions. Right.
pada1008 2 years ago
@pada1008
You are lying ! Show us these alleged documents.
sadhubeast 1 year ago
@sadhubeast Narayana Maharaja was giving the GBC gurus rasika classes when they were reinstating homosexual child molesters as their acharyas. Why does NM want children to worship homosexual pedophiles as their messiahs? ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008
Hmmmm, why did Prabhupad give them sannyasa in the first place?? Why make them leaders?? To me it boils down to what he first did and not his other god brothers. As I said, go into his samadhi and ask him. I think the grave is the best place for you.
sadhubeast 1 year ago
@pada1008
NM never supported Tamal rather gave him siksa and answered queries from the iskcon Gurus who had trouble understanding siddhanta. I think even prabhupad knew what was going on when children getting molested in Iskcon. Why dont you go and ask him? Maybe he from his samadhi will tell you how his disciples were enjoying such "rasa".
sadhubeast 1 year ago
@sadhubeast Srila Prabhupada said that when there are crimes, call the police, NM said when there are crimes, worship the criminals as acharyas. Big difference. NM said you need to worship the living bodies of the GBC, in other words, he worships living pedophiles. I am glad you admit that samadhi is worship of homosexuals as acharyas for you, some samadhi you got there pal! ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008
No I dont believe he ever said anything like that. As I said, you should ask prabhupad why he formed the GBC and where you guys got confused about them being Guru's. YTous hould also ask the ISkcon leaders why they raped kids and not blame it on NM as he wouldnt have said its opk to worship any of them as Guru's. If Srila Prabhupad is a great acarya and non different from god then he would have known this was going on in Iskcon. So why didnt he stop it??
sadhubeast 1 year ago
@sadhubeast You thing that even Prabhupad knew what was going on wehen children getting moested.everyone can thinking this or that..Thats only your Demon thinking rascal Mind..you speek without Proof about the gratest Man ..Please be carefull..otherwise you will go to Hell ..Yamaraj waiting for you..
kartikeya1966 9 months ago
@kartikeya1966 Like wise people can say all sorts of things about Other Acaryas and they to will have to meet Yamaraj. Yamaraj is not the person to sit idle and watch aparadh Kartikeya. Grow Up!! The same rules applies to all and not only 1. First make sure Iskcon wallas clean up yur own messes before thinking you people can clean someone elses. The fact is, there is very little dirst to clean up at another Org when you have greater filth in yours. Man up and face it.
sadhubeast 8 months ago
@krsnaananda108 Well apparently thats what this Offender to saints who calls himself Pada1008 is trying to do. His offences will be dealt with in time by Krishna himself. Its as simple as that.
sadhubeast 8 months ago
I looked into the organization you criticize
Around 1977 I visited a center
Leader sent message to meet in his upstairs office In passing he made fay hints that I ignored When they increased I objected.He became very happy,good-fellow,and then sketched basic theological overview.He was really decent,only checking if I was,and also he was really a monotheist,just using polytheism as social control.But external appearance of control by feigning polytheo reduces open declaration of God's unity
orangutang88 3 years ago
So your method is, to find a fault, round up those you want to abuse, mix them up in it and tell the world that you know how to save everybody.. Going for guru are we??. That may work with donkeys, there are plenty of them out there. If you want to be cheated krsna will send you to someone like you , then you can drink all the donkey urine you like.
gettuff2 3 years ago
When children were being mass molested by NM's molester messiah club, NM folks said I was "finding fault" and "being offensive" by criticizing NM's molester messiah club. Mass molesting is wrong and needs to be criticized, NM clan defended the molester messiah project. You do not need to be a guru to know that deviants are not messiahs? Every ten year old Christian child knows that already. You think I am trying to be guru, no I am trying to come up to the ten year old
Christian childs level.
pada1008 3 years ago
gettuff2 your intelligence is surely stolen away by illusion. For you cannot see the truth even though it is staring you in the face.
Pada1008 is just telling it how it is, anyone can see that (apart from those who are part of the whole deviant movement he is exposing)
Lusseyran 3 years ago
Thank you for pointing that out.
gettuff2 3 years ago
Ghandi showed us that changing injustice does not come by being silent. Anyone who is still in ISKCON and blindly following has no true Krishna consciousness. To allow ones self to defend actions like child molestation, murder,
peversion and selfish greed is not devotion to Lord Krishna but idolizing false gurus with big egos.Surrending your will to a man with no integrity is not making spiritual progress. If every true Krishna devotee rose up and proclaimed injustice then change would come.
realyogi1008 3 years ago
Thanks. Yes Sridhara and Narayana are very expert at saying "no one should criticize the great souls," like their bogus Vasudeva or their bogus post 1977 child molester guru cult, but these cults arent "great" except in their imaginations. Even the karmis have more sense to worship a nice devotee like Jesus, and immediately SM and NM are angry as fire that the "bogus ritviks" are worshiping Jesus and not their molester messiahs. If someone hates the worship of Jesus, he is attacking great souls.
pada1008 3 years ago
Very nicely put realyogi1008 Prabhuji, you are totally correct.
In kali yuga everything is topsy turvey, the swindlers are seen as saints and vice versa. Pada1008 who is just telling it as it is is branded the 'offender' however the real cheaters, the ones taking them to hell in fact are being worshiped.
Only in Kali yuga
Lusseyran 3 years ago
Prabhu I ask you please do not criticize your fellow Jivas, for it is the SIN we should hate and not the sinner. There is demonic behavior happing through out the world but we devotees try to focus on Krishna and purify our hearts, it can only be detremental to our progress in Bhakti point out ones faults regaurdless of who they are.
jayadeva1 3 years ago
Thanks very much, you are correct, for Narayana Maharaja to criticize us as bogus ritviks (Prabhupada worshipers) because we failed to worship his molester messiah's project is very sinful. NM has no authority to promote the worship of deviants who are banning, beating, molesting and assassinating the devotees of God. You said it not me, Narayan Maharaja's promotion of the bogus Jesus club is demoniac. Yes, very detrimental to love of God. NM and SM should not criticize devotees, right!
pada1008 3 years ago
like you have been criticizing and condemning for many years now and without much effect at all, should you not consider to change tactics? If something has not worked well in the past, why continue in the same way? It is well known if you attack people in the front of the public you never get the desired effect,in fact the opposite is true.Not that i havesuggestions for this, but i think its fruitless,better to get absorbed in chanting and seva, time to think about yourself baba
devarsi 3 years ago
Thanks very much. Yes were making a few more lawsuits and we see these cases are already going very well. You are right, the best way to tackle bogus gurus is not to simply yabber, but to take them to court, and we are doing that. Other than that, we get favorable mails every day thanking us for exposing all this rubbish in the name of God. Yes, we need to make this public since the devotees who tried to protest secretly, like Taru, Chatur bahu and others, they were assassinated. Public is best.
pada1008 3 years ago
Srila Prabhupada himself "approved" of many of these people, gave them sanjas & manager status,like bhavananda for example. So "approvement" can also mean total mercy and real Compassion. "not evil complicity" as Pada tries to brainwash everyone with. Read Bhagavad Gita 9.30, mercy to help someone fallen from hell. Unfortunate for him Pada does not consider this in the case of anyone else exept Prabhupada,He would surely help them as well even it make Him look bad in the eyes of the ignorantNO?
devarsi 3 years ago
Srila Prabhupada said in early 1977 that none of his followers are fit for sannnyasa and that "everyone should get married." How does this mean they are fit to be worshipped as gurus? BG 9:30 says we need to be merciful to a fallen aspirant, fine, but the GBC/ SM guru cult are not claiming to be aspirants, they are claiming to be full fledged guru / messiahs? Shastra says false gurus are "narakaha sah" -- residents of hell, they do not get any mercy from God. A manager is not a messiah! Duh!
pada1008 3 years ago
you misunderstood me...that is why the sanjas names of the gurus are none of the 108 proper sanjas names normally given. He "approved of them being worthy of help and mercy, not that the training was complete,not that He approved "as in You are gurus, no" still Srila Prabhupadas was so mercyful he tried to help them, total mercy means just that, look at us without His mercy, where would we be now? thats why we should follow Him, criticizing & condemning has the opposite effect psychologically.
devarsi 3 years ago
You see all these guys simply say he is 'mad' 'pagal' etc.
They dont even seem to understand the etiquette of civilised debate. No personal attacks should be used, no name calling, no personal insinuations.
Saying Pada1008 is mad does not disprove what he is saying, does it. Therefore it is beside the point.
davegarret 3 years ago
3) davegarrett says: "Saying Pada1008 is mad does not disprove what he is saying, does it. Therefore it is beside the point."
But pada1008's aparadhically induced madness cannot be ignored in terms of us giving credence (or not) to what he says about his own Spiritual Master's senior and beloved Godbrother, SSM
pranadhana 3 years ago
2) davegarrett says: "No personal attacks should be used, no name calling, no personal insinuations"
Err...HELLO! Pada1008 is saying (based on his misunderstanding or ignorance of dozens of facts) that SSM was a knowing accessory to child molestation! Excuse me Dave, but that sounds like all the above three rolled into one in the most hideous way imaginable!
pranadhana 3 years ago
this is of course padas nonsense allegation. SSM was never ever engaged/connected in such a disgusting thing nor did he support child molestation in any way openly or hidden.For example If you see a devotee in a liquor shop, does it mean he is a drunkard,or is it maybe because he may want to help whoever runs the shopto goback to Krishna?If he got books with him and japa mala tilak on his head and preaches,should we think like pada,oh he supports drinking alcohol,hes fallen?aweful aparad pada
devarsi 3 years ago
Molesters and their supporters are not gurus, end of story. thanks pd
pada1008 3 years ago
1) davegarret says: "You see all these guys simply say he is 'mad' 'pagal' etc"
I once posted 47 deeply considered comments to pada1008 (which took me a day to write) That's a bit more than just calling someone 'pagal'.
davegarrett says: "They dont even seem to understand the etiquette of civilised debate"
And I suppose that spreading blatant misinformation, omission, distortion, wild sensationalism and downright lies about SSM is Pada1008 demonstrating the art of 'civilized debate' is it?
pranadhana 3 years ago
So your saying that because he IS mad you should believe what he is saying. I mean yeah that makes sense.. I can live with that..
Yeah right!!!
gettuff2 3 years ago
wilfreed1 please, you dont even know what you are talking about.
When pada said 'Jesus' he meant Bhavananda who was saying he was as good as Jesus. Bhavananda had a falldown with a taxidriver. Bhavanadna said he was Jesus NOT Pada1008.
Please get your facts straight.
Pada1008 is not mad, he is just telling it as it is, and you should be ashamed of yourself for attacking an innocent man
davegarret 3 years ago
How can you say one who spends his time making offence to Vaishnavas is innocent. According to Saptam Goswami the reaction for one who makes apparadha is millions and trillions of times more than one who commits the mahapapa unlimitedly. I can only conclude by the way he talks that he is a deeply disturbed soul. He needs help , the first thing is to stop making offense and get on with becoming Krsna conscious. To make apparadha is like trying to swim the ocean with a rock tied around the neck.
gettuff2 3 years ago
1).I've heard all the talks between SSM and the GBC/ISKCON 11, which is hundreds (how many have you heard?) And I know for a fact that you are wrong in dozens of the things you say. And to be honest, knowing how wrong you are and still seeing you do what you do, Infuriates me....cont in comment 2...
pranadhana 3 years ago
Youre not reading Sridhara Maharaja's books, that is for sure. In his book Sri Guru he says that acharyas/ Krishna's pure devotee guru successors/ aka Jesus, are prone to become "mad after money, women and followers." Jesus is prone to be a mad fool and drunken womanizer? Vedas says it is a severe offense to say that Krishna's successors are prone to be drunken womanizers guruv-aparadha. Youre not reading SMs books, he says Krishna's gurus may become mad fools. Ive read his books. Madman gurus!
pada1008 3 years ago
2)...but the main reason for you often going 'unchallenged' is because challenging you (or even trying to reasonably point out your errors) only perpetuates your spewing out of offensive misinformation, which is undesirable. You will no doubt spew out some more after reading this comment. But you should at least no this much: Please don't flatter yourself by thinking that the reason you go unchallenged is because you are right!
pranadhana 3 years ago
I've publicly challenged the Sridhara folks to debate for years. Yes, Ive read hundreds of SSM's items, including his support for Jayatirtha, Ramesvara, Tamal, Hansadutta and others. Example: when Hansadutta told Sridhara he was taking drugs and having sex with followers, Sridhara told him to continue as guru i.e. drug addicts and sex mongers are Sridhara's messiahs, which does not infuriate you, rather our exposing it is what infuriates you. Sridhara supported them, its on record. Thanks pd
pada1008 3 years ago
What has this got to do with Srila Narayan Maharaja? All of these bogus gurus rejected his advice back in 1992.
Youre just a wannabe keyboard acarya. carry on wasting youre life.
Meanwhile I will try my utmost to stay in sadhu sanga as recommended by Srila Prabhupad.
madhuvratadasuk 3 years ago
Narayana Mj supported the child molester guru regime, the GBC accepted his advice. Recently he hugged Kirtanananda because he still supports molester guru regime leaders. The GBC didnt reject his advice, he said they are to be worshiped as rati keli gurus - they agreed. Whereas I said child molesters are not gurus and NM said I was a deviant. So NM likes to waste his life promoting deviants as gurus and I do not. NM also later on accepted the poison issue thanks to me. He accepted my advice.
pada1008 3 years ago
So you also want to be Guru? Like Madhu pandit wants to be worshipped as Prabhupad.
You should immediately apologise to any Vaisnava of any level that you have offended and stop this poisoning of the whole Hare Krsna movement. You have nothing to offer, no sadhu sanga, no Hari katha, nothing positive.
You are a member of an apasampradaya.
SNM has cut all of your arguments in Bangalore last year.
Flooding the Internet with disinformation is all you know.
madhuvratadasuk 3 years ago 2
madhuvratadasuk you are a nonsense.
Puranjana 'offends' child molesters, murderers, deviants, bogus guru's and the supporters of them......
And you ask him to 'appologise' to these 'vaisnava's'!!??
Can you not make the distinction between a vaisnava and a criminal? Or do you think they are the same? You are very confused.
The ones who cover this up are the real poisoners of the movement not the ones who expose.
Hare Krishna
JayIsrael1 3 years ago
Name calling eh?
Obviously those who molest children etc are avaisnava - not vaisnavas,they are not on any level.
Someone asked SNM 'how can you forgive the unforgivable?'(refering to kirtanananda).
He said that you cannot (kanishta) but we can (sadhu). A saint is known by his ability to forgive.
I was never in iskcon, I have no sympathy either for bogus child molesting so-called vaisnava gurus. BUT I will defend those righteous and pure devotees who uphold the vani of SP and our guru parampara.
madhuvratadasuk 3 years ago 2
"BUT I will defend those righteous and pure devotees who uphold the vani of SP and our guru parampara."
Well, I will do the same and defend the righteous and pure devotees who's sole aim is to restore Prabhupada's great movement free from corruption and bogus guru's.
Thankyou, so I will not tolerate your blaspheming of them.
JayIsrael1 3 years ago
Just something to contemplate.. You obviously have no understanding what is Guru tattva although it seems you think you do. What is sat sishya?
gettuff2 3 years ago
Deviants arent gurus, thats what bona fide sat sishyas say. Scriptures: gurusuh narah matih naraka sah, anyone like NM who promotes fallen people as gurus are residents of hell, narakah. The sat, the eternal, has nothing at all to do with NMs asat molester messiah project. NM made disciples (sisyas) of the child molester gurus, and the result was mass molesting. Now NM saying his molester pooja sisyas are sat, eternal? When are you guys going to wake up? NMs molester pooja is bogus. Period
pada1008 3 years ago
I know enough about Guru tattva to know that child molesters are not guru's thanks, nor are those who support them.
JayIsrael1 3 years ago
Good, then for your sake I hope you are not trying to lump His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja in that or any other mundane category. You may not have the adhikar for understanding who is a devotee and who is not so do not spoil your life by making the mad elephant offence. Best to learn some humility which is the backbone for advancement.
gettuff2 3 years ago
Sridhara Maharaja writes that "acharyas (people like Jesus) go mad after money, women and follwers." SM in essence says that people like Jesus are equal to the town drunkard. Worse, SM says we cannot worship persons like Jesus becuase that is the bogus ritvik idea, rather we need to worship his "living (molester) guru" cult. Thanks but we will worship the pure, not the living town drunkards. And yes, supporting the worship of molesters as messiahs -- caused the molesting: Aiding and abetting.
pada1008 3 years ago
I have understood from reading all of your comments that you are a greatly advanced scholar of atma tattva, but don't you think there may be just the slightest chance that you may be misunderstanding what He is saying. I mean you almost appear to be telling the reader what to think by adding your own conception. Or maybe you believe that you are guru yourself.
gettuff2 3 years ago
sorry pada but the living "Guru Cult" is The Lords personal creation,not molester so,or by vote,butgenuine self illuminated yes.Parampara,disciplic succession is well documented and fully promoted by Prabhupada in His books, whereas ritvik as disciplic succession isnt,full stop.Neither has he written in any of his books that ritvik is to be practiced after his passing,no mentioning of ritvik in his will,"the system as it is" does not automatically mean ritvik replacing parampara
devarsi 3 years ago
Molesters gurus, the founder fathers of molester gurus, the reinstators of molester gurus, people voted in by molester gurus, are not in the parampara? Yes, self illunimated guru is possible, but so far the GBC has only auhtorized their post 1977 molester cult. So yes, show us the self illuminated guru? You forgot his name? Show us who is the self illuminated guru you are talking about, and quit all your bluffing for the past 35 years. No more bluff, tell us who he is, quit prevaricating.
pada1008 3 years ago
Then I suppose you also understand the ettiquite of law that one is innocent until proven guilty?
There is not one iota of evidence to any of padas madness.
Here is a prrofound point. Srila Prabhupada would criticize his own godbrothers. He grew up with them, served with them, and argued much philosophy with them so it is natural that He has a close relationship with them and by the strength of their affection can ,so called ,criticize them for His own reasons. But tell me who gave Pada. cont
gettuff2 3 years ago
Cont, the right to step up and criticize those great personalities who are Srila Prabhupadas own life and soul? What a puffed up offender he must be to think he is even capable of looking any of them in the eye what to speak of understanding those persons relationships with Krsna. That is why I can understand he(pada) has been drinking donkey urine and thinking he is drinking cow milk. What an unfortunate soul...
gettuff2 3 years ago
Srila Prabhupada never said deviants are God's successor gurus / acharyas. This is the Gaudiya Matha deviation he doesnt agree with. I support SP, I also do not think that people who are "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" are as pure as Jesus and diksha gurus. I think this is correct and that most SANE people will agree, deviants are not God's successor messiahs. So on this point SP never agreed with his God brothers, SP says the messiah must be pure, not deviant. thanks pd
pada1008 3 years ago
Fine but the point is you are labellimg great saintly personalities as deviants. You don't seem to understand that they are only giving the jiva souls an opportunity to serve Krsna. They have mercy while you only have words. And foul ones to boot. You are an exact replica of the 11 regional gurus. You only seem to hanker after pratista have no idea what real bhakti is and endevour to mislead others to satisfy your depravity. And the strangest thing is you think you are pleasing Srila Prabhupada.
gettuff2 3 years ago
First of all, its SM and NM who promoted deviants as great persons and gurus? Not me? They are the ones who juxtaposed great saints and deviants, thuis insulting the great souls. If I say that Rasputin is "pure as God guru," that is an insult to God and guru. I do not say this type of thing, I said the guru must be pure. And as soon as I said that SM and NM attacked me and defended the deviants posing as saints. Gita says deviants posing as saints are going down, and so are their supporters.
pada1008 3 years ago
The whole point is that only you say this. And still you think you are the chosen one who is so advanced he can blaspheme great personalities.
Do you realy think you new exactly what was going on on ALL levels?
gettuff2 3 years ago
You mean the 11 are / were pure devotees, as the SM and NM cult supported in 78? Molesters, drunkards, womanizers, criminals, this is their idea of a pure successor to God? Well it is not mine! I objected to their idea that the 11 are pure, and most people think: I am right. At the moment a follower of the SM cult is saying he wants to sue me in court, apparently because I was the one who said molesters are not God's Jesus-like messiah successors. I am blaspheming to say that? Are you nutters?
pada1008 3 years ago
Srila Prabhupada started a movement that created all sorts of abuse, molesting of children and even murder....So He is to blame???
gettuff2 3 years ago
No, SP said he was being poisoned, then SM and NM started a cult of supporting the prime culprits of the poisoning as "gurus." They are to blame for support of bogus gurus, look what happened to Romaharsana, we cannot support bogus gurus. Prabhupada said they are not fit for sannyasa, and then NM and SM supported these fools as gurus, just like 1936 Gaudiya Matha deviants became gurus. Deviants are not gurus, hate to have to tell you that! SM's 1936 Guru cult also had murders.
pada1008 3 years ago
exactly,a spiritual master may protect his disciples from going elsewhere,because it is better in general to learn the basics and advance properly first,so he may say things about others for his disciples protection,but this does not mean that those other gurus are really useless,that would make Prabhupada an offender himself.When Prabhupada said something he would stick to it always,not apologize for it ever but he did apologize and thats why he never meant it at all the way it sounded.
devarsi 3 years ago
Great. Narayana Maharaja supported the avaishnavas as Krishna's guru successors. That means he is a fool. And he never forgives us, he lets us sit outside his room and he does nto talk to us, because he is still holding a grudge that we rejected his pedophile guru process. He never forgives us. He only hugs the pedophiles, not us, we worship the pure and he hates that. He has room in his heart only for pedophile pooja, that is correct. Agreed. thanks pd
pada1008 3 years ago
Frankly I wouldn't waste my time with you either. You seem to be pagal. Quite incoherant and lacking in substance. It's no wonder SNM wouldn't see you . You are such a great offender to Srila Prabhupada and our whole Guru Parampara. Do you actually want to surrender or just become guru?
gettuff2 3 years ago
Thanks, yes this is exactly how Narayana Maharaja policy got thousands of children molested and dissenters murdered. As soon as we said that child molesters are not gurus, and children are being molested under the GBC/ Nm regime, THEN NM's followers said that our idea of defending children is pagal, and so the molesting went on under NM's ideology, and dissenters were murdered. thanks for admitting, NM clan said our idea: molesters are not messiahs is pagal. They still do, good point. YS pd
pada1008 3 years ago
Don't babble on.. Just answer the question.
gettuff2 3 years ago
I dont need to be guru? I said that NM should not support the worship of homosexual pedophiles as Krishna's guru successors, even Bruger King folk know that I'm right! NM attacked us as bogus and he supported Tamal's regime, and he is still hugging Kirtanananda, while he refuses to talk to us who do not worship pedophile messiahs. Now NM says Bangalore food distribution is bogus, he left his OWN teen wife with baby, now wants to starve the widows that he makes? He hates feeding the poor? OK!
pada1008 3 years ago
NM refused to talk to me - after he invited me to his house, since he cannot answer our first question, why has he supported the child molester guru program, and he still hugs them? I have offended no one, I did not promote this "poison," NM did.
NM promotes molester messiahs, they molest kids and kill my friends, and I have to apologize for not accepting NM's molester murder guru program? I am sorry, I apologize, NM's regime got our blood its shoes, I have to wash off the shoes and apologize?
pada1008 3 years ago
Narayana bogus swami is
"PERFECT AND UNCONDITIONED."
lol yeah right, wake up. You are a nonsense
JayIsrael1 3 years ago
LOL!!!
I though this was a video of MY GURUDEVA...SRILA NARAYANA MAHARAJA SPEAKING...where by it is impossible for him to tell a lie or make a mistake being PERFECT AND UNCONDITIONED.
But when I saw this was just some guy speaking I was reminded of how ISKCON TELL US PRABHUDAD SAID THIS...
"BLACK MEN ARE SUDRAS & CANNOT BE KRSNA CONSCIOUS"
&
"WOMEN CANNOT LIBERATE. THEY HAVE TO TAKE MALE BODY"
LOLOLOLOL!!!
If you believe THESE MEN WHO SAID PRABHUPADA SAID THIS - YOU WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING!
VedicSastra 3 years ago
Oh and I have print screened this comment and will make a video of it if you remove it through fear EXPOSING YOU BABA
LOL
;-)
VedicSastra 3 years ago
vedicSastra you are a well known deviant, you portray ISKCON as a dogmatic, religious intollerant organisation with you hate filled anti muslim propaganda. Prabhupada never said we should do like that.
And lets get the record straight.
Prabhupada says many times, women are of lower birth and that black men are sudras. But we are all sudra anyway.
Butas for women and blacks not being able to have bhakti, this is never found anywhere in Prabhupada's books. This is never said anywhere.
JayIsrael1 3 years ago
Yes NM believes these fools who said the above and that theyre gurus, youre right. And now you are laughing at NM's support of a violent child molester's guru regime and NM supported the regime that was molesting them? NM folks think victimized children are a funny hah, hah LOL item? No wonder, NM folks laughed at me when I said children are getting molested in the 1980s, and they still are. By the way NM is still a fool, he hugs the homosexual anti-woman pooja Kirtanananda even today, not us.
pada1008 3 years ago
"There were so many mistakes in Prabhupads' original Gita."
Prabhupada read from every verse and gave class on those very verses from the original gita for years. He was happy with it and did not feel that anything was 'wrong' with it.
Prabhupada never authorised any changes in the bogus 'new Revised' Gita, nor did he say anything was wrong with verse 32 chapter 9.
davegarret 3 years ago
I'm travelling at the moment so do not have acess to All of Srila Prabhupads lectures but you are welcome to find his lecture on that verse and see what he says.
gettuff2 3 years ago
Prabhupada's original Gita Ch9 vs.32 says that women and sudras are 'papa-yonayah' or lower birth.
The new revised gita although a couple of words are changed also says that women and sudras are lower birth.
Narayana maharaja says this is 'wrong' and that women and sudras are NOT 'papa-yonyah'
Did he say that.....yes or no?
Answer the question, stop avoiding it, it only looks bad for you.
davegarret 3 years ago
Read the transliteration . It says those of lower birth, women, vaishas, sudras etc..Not lower birth- women, sudras etc. Subtle but thats the difference.
gettuff2 3 years ago
That's exactly my point. Prabhupada's Gita has hyphen NOT comma. Thats in original Mcmillan Gita. Hyphen. Prabhupada approved of the first edition, he authorised it.
Now Narayana Maharaja disproves of this, says its 'wrong', his disciples also think that. Thats fine, you are entitled to your opinion.
But that is challenging the authority of Prabhupada. Please remember Prabhupada authorised that Gita, that verse with hyphen, he did not say anything was wrong with it.
davegarret 3 years ago
There were so many mistakes in Prabhupads' original Gita. Srila Prabhupada had an enormous mission and athough He is certainly perfect he has left some work for his disciples,clarifying certain philosophical points .Just like the origin of the jiva.Does he fall or has he always been in illusion? If you take the GBC voted tattva you will believe that he has fallen and will again return. But that is not the Sampradayas tattva.Jiva G say "cid eka rasanam apyanadi paratattva jnan sansagabav maya.
gettuff2 3 years ago
Srila Prabhupada says: "we were all originally in Krishna's lila or sport," and "we became envious of Krishna and fell down." Narayana Maharaja says "no vaishnava would ever say that." Apparently NM is from the Catholic church, he believes the jivas just landed here somehow or other. Problem is that NM's is not truly a Catholic because he mixes up messiahs and pedophiles whereas the church knows the priest is failing, not the messiah. So in the future NM might be advanced enough to be Catholic.
pada1008 3 years ago
Where is your quote from?
Ps. Why do you continue to dig yourself into a hole. He also belongs to Krsna as do you.
gettuff2 3 years ago
Srila Prabhupada says we ALL saw Krishna face to face, in a letter; says were ALL in Lila in an Austalian lecture, says everywhere we need to return home BACK to Godhead, not back to NM's brahman and so on an so forth. NM is a mayavadi. Meanwhile NM says pure devotees never fall down, except his pure devotees are homosexuals, pedophiles, monkeys etc! Sridhara says acharyas are sometimes mad criminals. And NM did not allow us into his room, he forgets we are part of Krishna too. Youre correct.
pada1008 3 years ago
The answer might be found in that: Narayana Maharaja maybe should get out there and hug some woman, any woman at all will do actually, and he should quit hugging homosexual pedophiles posing as Krishna's messiahs; while saying we are poison because we don't hug his pedophile messiahs. That is the real issue, NM is the best friend of the anti-woman and pro-pedophile messiah's project and he still is, still hugging Kirtanananda while avoiding those of us who worship the pure devotees Prabhupada.
pada1008 3 years ago
Even the imperfect ones belong to Krsna.
An Uttam adhikari has no distinction who is fit and who is not. He sees everyone as the perfect servitor of Sri Krsna and everyone is serving nicely in his own mood.
How can you be so foolish to assume you know better what is to be done. You make a mistake and you go to hell , He gives his mercy to someone and they become purified. I suggest that you again try and see NM and see if you can cure those festering sores in your heart.
gettuff2 3 years ago
Scripture say Guru narah matih narakah sah, anyone who (NM) says that gurus are monkeys, they are residents of hell. Monkeys arent "one" with pure devotees, this is sahajiya. Prabhupada says juxtposing impure with pure leads one to hell. Never mind NM's policy of worship of homosexual pedophile gurus ALREADY made hell for children under his regime. NM policy created hell, no waiting required, kids starved, beat, molested, while he sat around talking "rasika" to the goonda henchmen and perps
pada1008 3 years ago
If you think all these things that have happened to so many children etc was out of Krsnas hands then you are quite simply an athiest .
gettuff2 3 years ago
Narayana Mj is the one who says (a) we have to worship his homosexual pedophile guru lineage: he still hugs them (b) when children get molested he blames Krishna, he says children are getting their karma: God is blamed. NM promotes anti children pedo-gurus with his giant jackboots then blames God? He is an atheist. No, God is not doing wrong, NM is doing wrong! Narayana robs the bank, then says, God told me to rob? This is atheism! God is not doing wrong, NM is! God molested the children? No!
pada1008 3 years ago
I have answered your questions so please dont squirm your way out of answering this one.....
Did Narayana Maharaja say that the verse 32 from Chapter 9, from Prabhupada's unchanged gita is WRONG?
Yes or no will be fine.
davegarret 3 years ago
Best you learn sanskrit then you will be able to work it out for yourself.
gettuff2 3 years ago
Snskrit for monkey is markat, Narayana thinks the markat is fit to be worshipped as a guru and servant of Radha. Worse, if one is monkey who likes to have homosex with children then Narayana Mj will REALLY fall off his chair and embrace one, as he did recently by embracing his favorite pedophile messiah Kirtananda. BUT those of us who do not worship monkey sex, NM wont even meet us because we think the gopis are pure and not his putrid molesters. Nm is pasandi in sanskrit, disobeys Vedas. pd
pada1008 3 years ago
When one's intelligence is rooted in maya (illusion), one sees others as friends and enemies. Otherwise how is it possible for one who is udita viveka to see anything as not belonging to Krsna?
gettuff2 3 years ago
Narayana Maharaja is the person who hugs homosexual pedophile messiahs while avoiding persons who worship Prabhupada, calling us poison. Monkey sex pooja is what he hugs while worship of the pure is "poison." If we are all part of Krishna, why avoid those of us who do not worship his homosexual pedophile messiah project? NM only hugs the pedophiles who molested kids and helped murder devotees? If we are all one, he avoids us and hugs only the pedophiles, NM discriminates against non-pedo pooja?
pada1008 3 years ago
"So here is the question. Is a women a lower birth than a man?"
"Women are inferior to men, and... men are given full charge of the women." (Srila Prabhupada)
"If the answer is yes then perhaps you can explain why SP gave brahmin initiation to women?"
Answer......
""O son of Prtha, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth--women, vaisyas [merchants], as well as sudras [workers]--can approach the supreme destination."
(B.G. CH9 32)
davegarret 3 years ago
Did Narayana Maharaja say that the verse 32 from Chapter 9, from Prabhupada's unchanged gita is WRONG?
Yes or no will be fine.
davegarret 3 years ago
And which unchanged Gita was that??
gettuff2 3 years ago
The verse that Narayana Maharaja had a devotee read; Ch.9 Verse 32 was translated and written by Srila Prabhupada. Even if edited, it was approved by Srila Prabhupada as it is exatly the same as the Original Macmillan Gita.
Did Narayana Maharaja say it was 'wrong'?
Yes or no?
davegarret 3 years ago
So you haven't picked up the differences yet..
gettuff2 3 years ago
Regarding women and the Vedas, clearly Narayana Maharaja supported the anti-woman/ children and pro-homosexual pedophile guru position. For example, NM leaves us sitting at his door waiting, after he invites us to talk. Yet as soon as NM sees his homosexual pedophile guru lineage pal Kirtanananda NM falls down and licks KS's boots and NM has unlimited time to talk to the homosexual pedophile messiahs. So NM has supported the anti-woman and children pro-molester guru agenda and still does. pd
pada1008 3 years ago
Your wounded ego is stll festering!
gettuff2 3 years ago
Narayana Mj embraces pedophile gurus and thousands of kids are molested as a result. Getuff embraces them too? "My ego"? They dont even care about the thousands of kids who were molested because NM (STILL!) embraces the molesters gurus? NM says tough beans, its your karma - for NM to drive his army tank. NM's ego is boundless, he has zero concern for his victims, NM hugs pervert messiahs and Getuff applauds. NM would not meet me because I know all this. Getuff can only insult like his master.
pada1008 3 years ago
In a lecture Narayana Maharaja instructs a devotee to read verse which appears in Prabhupadas ORIGINAL unchanged gita.
After he reads the verse;
"O son of Prtha, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth--women, vaisyas [merchants], as well as sudras [workers]--can approach the supreme destination."
(B.G. CH9 32)
Narayana Maharaja says;
"THIS IS WRONG. IT IS TOTALLY WRONG"
(Narayana Maharaja Lecture The Hague, Holland, 13/7/2005)
davegarret 3 years ago
Ahh here we are arriving at the house of envy. Without even trying to understand the content you slam it as some kind of blasphemy.
So here is the question. Is a women a lower birth than a man?
If the answer is yes then perhaps you can explain why SP gave brahmin initiation to women?
And while your at it explain to the other half of the worlds population why they are low born; in your estimation..
gettuff2 3 years ago
I know what Krishna says, I know what Prabhupada says and it is clear in the verse. It is never 'WRONG' as N.M would lead us to believe.
davegarret 3 years ago
What you know can be summed up in two words.
gettuff2 3 years ago
"Ahh here we are arriving at the house of envy."
Prabhuji please....no more personal attacks, lets be civil.
You have diverted away from the point. So I ask you;
Did Narayana Maharaja say that the verse 32 from Chapter 9, from Prabhupada's unchanged gita is WRONG?
Yes or no will be fine.
davegarret 3 years ago
Gee you meam I should answer this? You on the other hand simply change the subject or flatly do not answer. All of this has been previously described yet it seems to pass through your truth filter.
Why do you think you have the authority to speak in such a way of a boafide Spiritual Master? What is your transendental glory?
Frankly I have to assume by your comments that you are intelectually challenged and rather a bore to try and talk reason with.
gettuff2 3 years ago
Narayana Maharaja has been drooling on himself for the past 30 years being unable to answer: why does he promote monkeys as Krishna's successor gurus? And why his book says there is nothing wrong with the 1936 homosexual guru. NM invited me to his ashram then made me sit outside for 10 hours refused to talk to me. No wonder, he cannot answer the questions presented by a flea. By Vedic standard refusing to debate means he lost. Anyway, his idea that monkeys are gurus is bogus. Keep drooling! pd
pada1008 3 years ago
Very true pada1008, he promotes child molester guru's but opposes Srila Prabhupada's genuine followers. How can anyone in their right mind think this person will lead them back to godhead? It is such a shame this cheating is going on.
davegarret 3 years ago
Narayana Mj invites me to his place, then refuses to even see me. He leaves me sitting for 10 hours. NM has no idea of ordinary mundane etiquette even. I have never been made to sit for 10 hours after being invited somewhere. NM is the most rude person I have ever encountered. The reason he refused to see me is simple, he could not explain the bogus statements he has made over the years. Anyway hes co-founder father of the pedophile pooja regime, so NM has ruined the lives of COUNTLESS kids.
pada1008 3 years ago
Suchandra posted 04 May 08 Srila Narayana Maharaja says in his book "The True Conception Of Guru-Tattva", that there was nothing wrong with the 1936 guru program of the Gaudiya-matha. [PD: Well there you have it, there is nothing wrong when homosexuals are worshiped as God's successors. A karmi friend said that when Narayana says monkeys and homosexuals are God's successors, that means he is saying God is a monkey and a homosexual. This friend says, NM seems to hate God, he insults God daily. pd
pada1008 3 years ago
Another barrage of abuse and name calling from you gettuff2. Cant you see that this looks so bad for you?
Ok back to the debate, with no personal attacks this time I hope.
1. NM contradicts Prabhupada.
Evidence:
"So Tirta Maharaja, Madhav Maharaja, Sridhar Maharaja,-they all became acarya."
(N.M. Iskcon Journal 1990)
"Actually amoungst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acharya"
(S.P. Letter,28.4.74)
Debate over.
davegarret 3 years ago
Still don't get it..
1 What have these people to do with this so called debate?
2 For the third and final time,,NM is not SPs godbrother..
Debate over!
gettuff2 3 years ago
Narayana Maharaja says that the founder fathers of the 1936 homosexual guru program such as Sridhara and Madhava are his idea of acharyas. A homosexual was made the guru by Sridhara, then dissenters were banned, beat and assassinated, then the son of the guru was poisoned to death, then bad media news, and then Narayana's Guru Tattva book says "there was nothing wrong" with the 1936 guru program. So NM likes to worship man to man sex as his idea of messiah gopis, and we do not. Thanks pd
pada1008 3 years ago
Prabhu with all due respect, the intention of the evidence was to prove N.M. contradicts Prabhupada NOT that N.M. is a Godbrother!
Get it together please, its not a point that I should need underscore is it?
davegarret 3 years ago
yes you have got at least some spiritual knowledge, "bit" like a part & parcell,bit like noneworthy. And I mean this is what we should talk, the basics. Not this ra(ksha)sika bit your tail bhoga nonsense foolosophy. A man may be dress like a saint, but a soon as he openes his mouth you will see who he realy is. By the way I am far away to offend anybody, but to call thief a thief is the matter of honesty & truth.
jagaddhartadasa 3 years ago
Yes I see what you mean.
gettuff2 3 years ago
the bhogus karmavada fallse justification idea is the best evidence of the deviation under the current GBC in mayaiskcon. Where Krishna says such a nonsence?! But be careful they are ready to create it. Stop rascal kali chela support of the soulkillers fallse gurus, our silence is a support to these demons. It is a war going on, I beg for the strength & wisdom to serve those who are against "the sinister movement within our society". You cant winn rascals, because Krishna is not on your site!!!
jagaddhartadasa 3 years ago
What does your name mean?
gettuff2 3 years ago
my name means dasa, the servant of pada1008, Dharmasetu & others who you deride. It is so pity to watch you so confused, still our warning to the innocent is: Dont listen to black snakes mayavada nonsense of self made rasika bhogus gurus. Thats my name. ...dasa
jagaddhartadasa 3 years ago
I meant the Jagaddharta bit.
gettuff2 3 years ago
We are the ones who deserve your name "get tuff." When we said pedophiles and criminals are NOT Krishna's messiah successors, then ALL the dogs barked, Sridhara, Narayana, the bogus GBC, they all harassed. SM said I was not authorized. NM said I was poison. People from their team were sent to kill me but were intercepted by officer Joe Sanchez and the FBI. We got tough on their molester pooja, and they called us names and they still do. They are angry we exposed their SM/NM bogus GBC "gurus."
pada1008 3 years ago
As you carry on, day in, day out, year in, year out, seeing and assessing everything according to your karmically acquired, bad experience influenced, provincial, and - I'm sure even you can't deny - fallible vision, PLEASE, while offering a little prayer at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada (who I'm sure is in uttama bhagavat devotional bliss regardless of what you think is good or bad) PLEASE try to accommodate this:
bhuridajanah 3 years ago
And as the bogus persons carry on with their bogus rascal nonsense year in year out, which is obviously a good karmic aquisition isnt it? And you are praying a prayer at the feet of these false gurus, please spare a thought for those innocent souls who will be ripped off in the future!
jojoruby 3 years ago
...that Lord Krishna reserves the right to allow things to turn out in a way that even his pure devotees are surprised by, what to speak of you!
And Lord Krishna is ALL GOOD...remember?
How sad that it is that this comment will probably not stop you from carrying on, day in, day out, year in, year out, with with your karmically acquired, bad experience influenced, limited, provincial - and I'm sure even you can't deny - fallible vision....
bhuridajanah 3 years ago
Prabhupada's vision was not 'fallable'. We can therefore be sure Narayana maharaja is not a bonafide acharya.
"Actually amoungst my Godbrothers NO ONE is qualified to become acharya"
(Srila Prabhupada Letter,28/4/74)
"So these rascals, Godbrothers, they are envious that... Enviousness is immediately disqualification of Vaisnava, imediate. He (Bon Maharaja)is not a human being. (Srila Prabhupada Room conversation, 8th January,1977)
davegarret 3 years ago
Dave , you're such a dick. You still don't accept that Srila Narayana Maharaj is a disciple of Srila Prabhupada and not a god brother!!!
Tell me ,,are there any of Srila Prabhupadas' godbrothers alive today?? I doubt it. They would have to be a hundred years old. Wake up mate!!!
gettuff2 3 years ago
Yes I am a 'dick', but I can debate in a civilised manner without hurling names and insults.
It doesnt really matter what Narayana Swami is...godbrother...disciple, he contradicts the words of Srila Prabhupada, so he is bogus.
Dharmasetu 3 years ago
Where is your so called civility when your mouth only knows one thing. The first offence in chanting Sri Nama is to blaspheme those devotees who have dedicated their lives to the Lord. Your envy is so great that you can only blaspheme.
How is it that you know what NM's teaching are. Do you listen to them with an open mind? I have heard Him speak so many times and read so many of His lectures and according to tattva there is no difference in what they speak.
Example of difference please..
gettuff2 3 years ago
Narayana Maharaja says that chanting yani kani, as established by Srila Prabhupada all over ISKCON, is karma kanda. NM says Srila Prabhupada's jiva tattva is bogus etc. So Narayana Maharaja says that worship of Srimate Tulsi is mundane. Of course NM says Jesus worship is mundane yajnamana since he is worshiped by priests, so those of us who do not worship NM's child molester guru program are mundane materialists. Tulsi is mundane? NM always disagrees with and insults the pure devotees, thanks pd
pada1008 3 years ago
Wow ,,you pack a whole lot of nonsense. Actually it's because you don't have a Guru that you claim such apparadhas to be true.
Regarding yani kani. In first grade you learn all subjects but as you progress you start to specialize in certain subjects. Our goal is unnatojvala rasam sva bhakti sriyam. If you want pure love after having taken shelter under Sri Radha's wing, will you be thinking that "oh ,If I circumambulate tulasi I will absolve all of my sins??? No you will not. Think about it..
gettuff2 3 years ago
Srila Prabhupada thought about it and established we should chant yani kani and do not change anything after I depart. He never said Tulasi pooja is karma kanda. NM says that when the pure devotee gives us our mantras, we are karma vadis. Regarding first grade, worship of deviants as promoted by NM and SM is not even done by dogs or first graders? I have a guru, my guru says chant the Tulasi mantra, and DO NOT follow SM/NM's homo-pooja. Dogs do not promote homo-pooja like SM and NM. Agreed
pada1008 3 years ago
"The first offence in chanting Sri Nama is to blaspheme those devotees who have dedicated their lives to the Lord."
I have said it many times, Narayana Maharaja is NOT a devotee. Therefore there is no offence.
Lets start from there. How can one make offence by stating that Narayana is NOT A GURU. That is the truth, actually he is not even a vaisnava as he is ENVIOUS and criticises Srila Prabhupada.
Watch "Narayana Maharaja Blasphemes Prabhupada"
davegarret 3 years ago