0:56 The bible clearly says "Do not listen to any man who speaks against the exsistence of your father he doith no good and uses ignorance and false knowledge to.. blah, blah, blah it basically just says he is attempting to avert you from god but my point is Kirk says they do not think atheists are stupid but the bible clearly says they are! Using words such as "ignorance" and "false knowledge". I will reply to my self as i ran out of characters.
@1KevinsFamousChili1 Again this is another moment where creationists pick and choose what they want to believe! Either believe the whole bible or don't believe it at all!
Why does Kirk refer to Galileo and Einstein. According to the Bible non-christians go to hell. So according to their religion Galileo and Einstein are in Hell. Why resort to people in hell to help you in a debate? If such a place called hell exists.
The mind will argue intelligently as best as it is equipped to, on any subject, but will limit the discussions based on the structure of belief or knowledge that it has made for itself which is solely dependent on its own limitations.
@baldurus1 No let me explain something to you, evolution is a religion, it is nowhere close to a theory, it is based on lies and assumptions, not facts. You said it's backed by facts and observations, sorry evolution cannot be observed, this is common sense, we weren't here for the millions of years to observe it so it is not observable, if it had fact it would be true not a theory you idiot. FACTS ARE AGAINST EVOLUTION. Please provide me with some"facts" of evidence idiot
the bible says: his thoughts are not our thoughts and his ways are not our ways isaiah 55:8 ....so why should i believe you human atheist and band together with you if you are just mere humans like me, no greater no less? kirk and ray arent saying believe in them, they are saying believe in the report of the LORD. its not them im following, dont you see brian and kelly, its GOD
"My argument will be that Darwinism is the only known theory that is in principle capable of explaining certain aspects of life. If I am right it means that, even if there were no actual evidence in favour of Darwinian theory (there is, of course) we should still be justified in preferring it over all rival theories." -Richard Dawkins
This doesn't say to believe in something without proof. In fact it pretty much says the opposite. Kirk, you're deluded.
" 'The fool says in his heart there is no God.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there are none who do good....
For you save a humble people, but the haughty eyes you bring down.... For it is you who light my lamp; the Lord my God lightens my darkness." Psalm 14 & 18
Then I guess that makes you an agnostic. It's not a bad position. Even atheists are agnostic to some degree as we can't be absolutely certain that god doesn't exist. The decision to be made is; where abouts on the sliding scale of agnosticism do you sit? On a scale of 1 to 10 are you closer to believing or non believing? You must have a leaning one way or another....
Actually logic has little to do with the belief or non-belief in God. It is a condition of the heart. That is to say, ones core-vision overrides logic.
Kirk Cameron uses his past as an atheist as leverage that his point of view is more logical. He really does seem that if someone claims to have converted, then whatever they converted to is most logical.
@boc1953 what's funny is I agree with you and kirk cameron, i guess it's a side effect of appreciating both perspectives. if only i could superposition myself like a subatomic particle and be both an athiest and a thiest and see which one turns out better before collapsing down to that one. I already know which one lives longer and has a better quality of life from statistics, but which one is right? only time will tell, i say better to hedge your bets and live longer and better at the same time
There is a difference between intelligence understanding being smart being capable being knowlegable and being instincively good. U can be great doctor but you can be an idiot.
Notice the "World View" debaters have little respect for Kirk & Ray. They shift their papers, roll their eyes, frown, laugh when a good point is made, but notice very little eye contact from them, they always look away.
IDIOTS! they ASSERT that its logical and state albert einstein was an atheist--are they f******* idiots to ignore????????????? and they just TELL me---well first of all they took the quote out of context. secondly, there actually IS evidence for evolution so that richard dawkins quote is actually irrelevant. and they tell ME about how bad blind faith is?? why do they assume our world is a swiss watch or an airplane?
Ok lets sum this up if Evolution is concrete fact where are the transitional forms Darwin spoke of, I mean show me one transitional form- basing that on the definition of transition which means to complete change in form and function
an example is in basketball when a team scores a bucket they immediately switch to defense which has different objectives and method then what the same five people who were just on offense
To quote Jesus and apply it to Kirk and Ray, Father, forgive them for they know not what they do (great harm to Christianity with such poor arguments)
2:10-2:50!!!!!!!!! PRIME reason of why people reject Christ and why a lot of atheists are angry, condescending and just want to close up when discussing God. I can and will point out numerous times in these videos where Brian and Kelly demonstrate this type of behavior in the most obvious fashion.
Atheists are not free but bound by sin and don't know it and/or don't want to face this fact because it would mean you have to be accountable for every wrong you've done.
If you respond to god in church with 10% of your income you will go to heaven. It's not a pyramid scheme, but we want your money and we need you to spread the gospel for us for free.
I am just happy that my sins are forgiven. That God has given me the grace to respect where other people come from without condemnation. I am thankful that with God there is hope despite my questions, and forgiveness despite my fallibility. It is my hope that the dialogue between Christian and Atheist will be more constructive and less derisive. This was not as much of a debate, as much as it was a testimonial of two sides clearly divided.
“Instead of examining the evidence for and against rival theories, I shall adopt a more armchair approach. My argument will be that Darwinism is the only known theory that is in principle capable of explaining certain aspects of life. If I am right it means that, even if there were no actual evidence in favour of the Darwinian theory (there is, of course) we should still be justified in preferring it over all rival theories”
Most of those people were deists or pantheists, which has nothing to do with Christianity. Deism and pantheism have nothing to do with a personal god.
Are you americans really that dumb or is Kirk's view just the view of a little minority? I heard, that more americans do not believe in evolution, than do accept this fact.
@HeilLoki Unfortunately a sizable chunk of this country do think like this idiot, mostly outside of large cities. It is hilarious to watch but very frightening, especially considering these nuts can and have been elected to high offices. They are ignorant, purposely misinformed and isolated by a spoiled, violent, celebrity worshiping culture that doesn't understand how it is viewed by everyone else.
@RSrunner88the high majority of our presidents were Christian,much more believe in God. Despite the economic crisis we are in we are still BY FAR the most prosperous nation on Earth.So what is your basis for being afraid that they are elected into high office? "These nuts"have already been in office since the founding of our nation.BLESSED IS THE NATION WHOSE GOD IS THE LORD! Psalm33:12 the majority of people in the US believe in God.It is not a coincidence that we are so prosperous.
The evidence that God existed is seen atheists people believing in God & Christ existence ? . Don`t debate in something that you don`t accepted.. period.. or care about it.. So, what makes an atheist debate with stupid christian people.?.. His ignorance & his stupidity.. Or His natural evil is tell him, I can`t stop these feeling anymore.. about the living God & Christ.. I am trapped in flesh & mind...Amen
It is unfortunate because Kirk seems intelligent and certainly well meaning, but he is dumbing himself down in order to resist his fear of nihilism and death.
Kirk is right. "it's not that you can't find God, it's that you won't"...the lady said in one of the previous videos. "I'd rather go to hell then go to heaven and worship...God"...but that argument could go both ways I guess: it's not that theists can't find evidence for the absence of a god, it's that they won't.
@reziboy100 I agree. Religion is solely based on faith while atheism is based on scientific facts. That being said, there hasn't been any irrefutable facts that disproved or proved the existence of god. And there never will be.
@reziboy100 yea you are right....So Christians can't blame atheists for not believing of God since it is based on faith. Not everyone is gonna have that faith. I have that faith but I can't make anyone accept it...
I find it interesting that Kirk Cameron listed Einstein, Newton and Galileo - all scientists - in his list of theists. All three men likely would have told him that he is dead wrong is impugning the science behind evolution.
I remember the good old religious days. The salem witch trials, the crusades, the colonial conquests, the dark ages, zero progress in science, zero progress in civility, ahh how i wish i was back in those days!
And now we have become more secular and look what has become of our world! Oh how horrific our planet is! We can now cure diseases, have become more civil, have increased the life expectancy, we put men on the moon, have progressed tremendously in science, and have abandoned religion.
if evolution turned out to be wrong, which could happen, that would not make creationism less stupid, just because our best explanation is one day proven wrong, guess what, that doesn't mean you did prove yours, and that's the problem, you constantly try to debunk evolution, like it would automatically prove creationism, and that is not how it works, you will never be able to, because biologist work day and night finding more proofs, but you don't work at all, you just take it for granted
Kirk really thinks that he's god is the same as Einstein' and Newton's? Furthermore, that listing of "clever theists" is a fallacy, argumentum ad populum.
Kirk and his partner need a course in logic. There were so many logical fallacies the atheists used to argue. But when you do not recognize them, you fall into the trap and try to answer or defend what has been wrongly posited. It is frustrating and sad to see such inept defenders of the Faith.
SO BACK WHEN A CHRISTIAN WROTE IN THE BIBLE THAT THE WORLD IS ROUND, YET THE ATHIESTS AT THE TIME SWORE THAT IT WAS FLAT, I ASSUME THAT CHRISTIAN WAS IGNORANT AS WELL? OR WHEN AN ATHIEST NOW COMMITS MURDER , WITH THE EXCUSE THAT THERE ARENT ANY DEF. VALUES OR MORALS, HE IS JUSITIFED? VS A MUSLIM THAT KILLS IN THE NAME OF GOD?
@bcgabriot lmao, i use to do the same thing. then i realized just because i wanted something to happen doesnt mean it would happen. and isnt that religion for you? you want to believe in something because it makes you feel good, but just because you want something to be real doesnt mean it is.
@bcgabriot I don't entirely disagree with you, but there's a clear difference between a young person who tries to "create psi energy balls" until he's bored of it and, say, a Tai Chi master who does such things because he's practiced it daily for ten years or more. if you think "energy balls" are a ridiculous idea it's probably because of your hoaxy western interpretations of what the Chinese have been doing correctly for many thousands of years.
Yeah! How dare evolutionists have blind faith! That's our schtick! Oh... wait... you fundamentally misquoted Richard Dawkins. Dawkins said that (paraphrasing (but accurately)): "Since Darwinism is the only theory which explains certain necessary aspects of life, that even without proof, logic dictates that it should be the predominant theory until better evidence is presented". That's not blind faith. That's the scientific method, baby.
@StevenBee2 it is the same were there are gaps chance fills it for you. Where as others fill it with God now thats science baby. But the reason God outweighs chance is because it is from since time and memoria. or as i prefer to say if it aint broke dont try and fix it.
@hanafimuslim They still misquoted him. And to your point, Astronomy, burning witches, and believing that the sun revolved around the Earth were around from time immemorial. Are you suggesting the pursuit of truth is a worthless endeavor because if you squint the eyes of your mind enough, ignore things we know to be right, you can take ancient, flawed views and force your understanding around it... such as the world being 6,000 years old? If so, you are beyond anyone's help but your own.
@StevenBee2 not all religions beleive the earth is 6000 years old everyything the western world judges by is the bible. besides the bible was originally in hebrew understandings get lost through translastion. the bible has been tampered with throughout the ages to suit ones agenda its no longer in its original form. The bible should not be the criterion used to deny the existence of God. Everyone should pursue truthbut you are already assuming there is no God you are being biased.
@StevenBee2 As muslims we are and hacve always been encouraged to pursue the truth to increase our knowledge and braden our horizons. Unfortuantely most of us have forgotten this in fact i encourage you to search for the truth but be open minded and dont judge all religions by the bible. Also what Dawkins is asking you to ignore reason in the God delusion and automatically belive in evolution now this is unreasonable and irrational.
@hanafimuslim This is the misunderstanding of Dawkins statement that Kirk made. He's not saying to believe in evolution based on faith. What he's saying is that without fossil evidence, it is still the best hypothesis as to the origin of species, so science, by the very mechanics of what science is, "believes" it to be true, until a "better" solution comes along. The same holds true with everything science "believes" - gravitation, thermodynamics, etc, it's the "best answer for now".
@prime440 If it looks like a human then you would say it is human. If it looks like a chimp then you call it a chimp. You wouldn't know a 'missing link' if you saw one.
Look at Ardi or Lucy, they are both 'missing links''
if u need proof in order to believe, u first need to believe that there is proof, and once you believe that there is proof, u don't need proof anymore in order to believe. it's really simple! :D
Why can't krik apply what dawkin's said about evolution to his no evidence having belief in God? Mind you, I think he is probably quote mining. regardless, he should still apply it to his belief if he feels so strongly about those words.
@iamspid3rman It seems to me that one of the biggest arguments with atheism is that without gods creation and the possibility of an afterlife giving our lives value and direction life has no meaning. But when i look at something like the Hubble Telescope deep field and consider how how lucky we are to exist in this massively violent universe i know i don't need a fallback like god. Believers often state that atheists are ignoring the inevitable but i know it's the other way around
@Sojio Interesting, because I look the Hubble Telescope deep field, I see how blessed we are to exist and how great our God is.lol You use the word "know" very loosely, considering that we don't fully know and understand the human brain, but yet we claim to "know" that there isn't a God and the process of which we came to exist. I'm curious as to what would be the alternative to your first comment? Aethists believe that we're here by accident, so then our main purpose would be only be survival.
@iamspid3rman Your logic seems to be somewhat flawed. I use the term 'know' loosely i agree with you that we are not certain of our origins or about how the universe came to pass. But the evidence for, far surpasses the evidence against. Therefore i use the term 'know.' It's not an appropriate word to use but i prefer using 'know to define 'the evidence that exists proves' as to keep the reply conscise. You say that "Aethists believe that we're here by accident" this is not the case.
@Sojio Hmm perhaps I could mistaken, what do atheists believe? As far as evidence, there is just as much as evidence to refute the conclusions that had been made from it. I done quite some research on the topic and come to conclude people will see what they see, the cup half empty or the cup half full.
@iamspid3rman I don't think your as much mistaken as you are misinformed. Atheists don't believe. We center our knowledge around facts that have been proven or are under fair testing and experiment where facts are compiled and presented in a reasonable manner. I'm probably wrong about what some theists believe. After all there are different levels of belief. I just detest theists trying to disprove already proven fact with arbitrary speculation.
@Sojio To not believe IS a belief, you chose not believe. Well some theists do that because they aren't fully educated in their belief, just as an atheist refuses to believe, regardless of what their reasons may be.I personally don't try to disprove any fact, because that action of itself is dictating that it's not a fact to begin with. What theists tend to do is offer an alternate explanation to the facts, as well as subjecting theory to speculation and scrutiny.
@iamspid3rman "subjecting theory to speculation and scrutiny." Does that include Deuteronomy 13:5 and Deuteronomy 17:12?
There is nothing wrong with disproving facts. It's attempting to disprove the facts without substantial evidence.
Theists are often offering this alternate explanation to young children barely 5 years old and building multi million dollar museum promoting false information, that the grand canyon was caused by a flood, that the earth is 6000 years old.
By the same logic you could say that the idea of a 'higher power' creating us would also be accidental or coincidental. Why didn't it create the Xarglarbs in sector 6 with giant tentacle faces? Or why did it create us with such poor physical forms? Our main purpose, as all living organisms is to survive. Our main purpose on this planet, biologically, is to breed and aid in that breeding in order to have a majority strength over that which hunts us.
@iamspid3rman It seems to me that one of the biggest arguments with atheism is that without gods creation and the possibility of an afterlife giving our lives value and direction life has no meaning. But when i look at something like the Hubble Telescope deep field and consider how how lucky we are to exist in this massively violent universe i know i don't need a fallback like god. Believers often state that atheists are ignoring the inevitable but i know it's the other way around.
@Sojio not trying to start an argument just expressing my views like your self. Atheists them selves seem like left brain people, meaning they are so brainwashed into thinking evolution is the truth they can't access there right brain.
@k12rising athiest are not brainwashed into anything,they take the actual facts into account and go with the best solution for that time..if an actual fact pops up that destroys that theory ,they scrap it immediately.they've looked at all religions from zues to modern day islam,christianity.etc.(which ironically have all evolved from the previous ones).and know from the facts that it is an insecurity of man,and made by man for comfort and government..that simple..if god showed up,we would change
1 Cor 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. - This verse in the bible clearly puts in perspective the response here. We as Christians are to pass on the Word, and pray for them that God will change their hearts.
@jshjamaar no not them, the people he was talking about such as Galileo....Issac Newton.... If they said they didn't believe, the pope would have them burned because they were presenting ideas that went against Catholic Teaching.
Some people respond to creation differently and with wonder. Wonder at how the universe and not some bearded white dude in the clouds could lead to the formation of such a magical places as Earth.
If I do understand the quote clearly, he's saying it should be preferred because of its ability to explain existence over rival theories. He isn't saying that it should be believed as actual fact, when in that case it would not be, because Dawkins is smart enough not to believe something that is false. All that aside, he was being hoypothetical. So Kirk's point really falls flat.
He names many men who were believers, but in those times (for the most part) that was the only real belief system in their time periods. There wasn't the science we had today.
So what people mean by "god believers are stupid" they mean "in today's world, with today's tech, you cannot believe in God and be smart, it's just silly"
kirk misquoted dawkins and completely misunderstood what he meant by that. typical creationist...hey act like they understand science, then proceed to say things that show they are fundamentally science illiterate.
Kirk, think with your brain. Thinking with your heart doesn't work. Citing a list of individuals who believed in God is irrelevant to the argument that you and Ray are proposing: that God does exist. So far, no evidence has come forth to support your case.
@cutis1000 if you speak tell me where you came from? do you see who gave you sight? if you eat who made the food? if you breathe air to survive who made the air? if you need to drink who made the water? please tell me you are living and you are not a zombie... God is there and you need to relize that he made you and he has control over your very life.
@cutis1000can you prove that they have found a genuine living transitional form (a lizard that produced a bird, or a dog that produced kittens, or a sheep that produced a chicken, or even as Archaeopteryx—a dinosaur that produced a bird). Species do not cross, no matter how long you leave them. The whole of creation is proof that evolution is truly “a fairytale for grownups.
@heightboosting Again, that isn't what a transitional animal is. It is a slow process, like using spectrum with black at one end and white at the other with a slow shading of grey connecting the two. Not a block of black immediately leading to a block of white. Remember, many steps are needed to walk a mile.
@schadenfreudelolz22 Yes, exactly, if its such a slow process, then there should be plenty of cases where we can see 100 % clear transitions between species. There should be numerous intermediary stages where the process has not completed its full transition... Did all the individual species fully transform at the same exact time as well, since we cannot find anything whatsoever in our present time that indicates a transition in the making.
@cutis1000 That was not his point CUTIS1000, are you not comprehending what he is saying ? Or did you not listen..... His point was that people who send in emails and claim that Kirk and other people who believe in God are stupid people. SO that is why he mentioned those names to demonstrate that people who we consider extremely SMART were believers themselves !!! GET IT ??? He mentioned those names to make a point directed at those who sent in those emails !!!!! Thank you and no offense :)
@heightboosting Excuse me, but the point of the debate was that these two ignorant individuals could prove the existence of god. They did not prove the existence of god. It is irrelevant how stupid or intelligent you are when it comes to believing in god. God is about faith, not intellect. So for Kirk to list of names of famous people who believed in god, doesn't do anything to support his claim that god exists. Thank you and no offense. :-)
@cutis1000 You need to investigate who worships Satan and Lucifer. You will find some odd stuff. So regardless if you believe in it or not, these people do believe in God and Lucifer. So if we believe in God and we are irrational what are those who rule us believing in Lucifer?
My favorite example of a realistic caricature of an Atheist is Brian (the dog form "Family Guy") and the best thing I've ever seen is when Quagmire tell him off. Check out "Quagmire tells off Brian" on Youtube. Finally an atheist get's what he deserves.
So Dawkins would be stupid for believing in something if it had no proof. But Christians are not stupid for doing that very same thing. The point was to present evidence for god and the best they could come up with is "if you had faith you would see him". Case closed. Geez you really learned them proper.
Is this debate between Atheists and Christians? or against Atheists beliefs and the fact that there is "a God"? (Be it that it is the Christian God or the Muslim God or the Hindu gods)
Sounds like both sides have a level of faith, one is in a god, the other is in intellectual self.
What we think scientifically can drastically change. One theory can give way to another. (for example, people believed within their limited scientific beliefs that the Earth was flat.)
It seems records have him saying contradictory things. I know for sure he wasn't a Christian, that was not my argument. Let's face it, this isn't about him, it's about you....And your soul. Many scientists have come into their profession completely believing that God is folly, and they have discovered otherwise to their scientific study. Many, people have many stories, that twist them each way, the matter is, which one is true. If you decide he isn't, let that passion drive your very existence.
TIME MAGAZINE INTERVIEW: "I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is..."
TIME MAGAZINE INTERVIEW: "I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is
@Dtrumpet50 I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.
- Albert Einstein, letter to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism; quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic, Vol. 5, No. 2
@Dtrumpet50 the misconception is that einstien believes in the "cosmic religion". so people say that he is a theist, but what is the cosmic religion? it is the belief in science. basically he does not believe in the super natural and the only thing he believes in is science... thats also called atheism. he was raised religions and turned atheist after becoming a scientist - most scientists have a similar story.
@Dtrumpet50 in another letter, eisntien wrote a long description about the origin of religion. in which he claimed that religion is an aspect of the humans inmagination and invented out of fear.
@Dtrumpet50 i know this because 3 months ago i made a 45 slide powerpoint on eisntien for a school project and i still have all my note, we can argue about this but you won't win. so don't bother.
Before the discovery of Dinosaurs, there was really hardly a reason why people should not believe in God. It seemed to be around this time people really challenged the Bible. Issac Newton also believed in fairies and goblins, and was clearly as loony as a loony thing. So he is really not the best example.
I don't believe in the christian God because if I did I would have to believe that billions of humans were sent to hell because they simply did not know of Christianity.
Kirk Cameron used to play this stupid character in TV. Now he's just a stupid character.
unorthodoxtrotsky 2 weeks ago
0:56 The bible clearly says "Do not listen to any man who speaks against the exsistence of your father he doith no good and uses ignorance and false knowledge to.. blah, blah, blah it basically just says he is attempting to avert you from god but my point is Kirk says they do not think atheists are stupid but the bible clearly says they are! Using words such as "ignorance" and "false knowledge". I will reply to my self as i ran out of characters.
1KevinsFamousChili1 1 month ago
@1KevinsFamousChili1 Again this is another moment where creationists pick and choose what they want to believe! Either believe the whole bible or don't believe it at all!
1KevinsFamousChili1 1 month ago
0:57 Ray Comfort in the interview with pat robertson said that atheists are fools.
Spaceman2451 1 month ago
Why does Kirk refer to Galileo and Einstein. According to the Bible non-christians go to hell. So according to their religion Galileo and Einstein are in Hell. Why resort to people in hell to help you in a debate? If such a place called hell exists.
Spaceman2451 1 month ago
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The mind will argue intelligently as best as it is equipped to, on any subject, but will limit the discussions based on the structure of belief or knowledge that it has made for itself which is solely dependent on its own limitations.
shimwah 1 month ago
Way to go Kirk way to present the truth.
elibeth121 2 months ago
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Christians are not idiots.
elibeth121 2 months ago
Albert Einstein is an agnostic, not a Christian. What an idiot
Theclowcard 2 months ago
@Theclowcard he didnt say he was a christian
elibeth121 2 months ago
"clearly demonstrates there is a creator"???
How?
Then could you please show the evidence?
baldurus1 4 months ago
Creationism is a theory. Science bases itself on what can be proven and what can't be proven. Until it can't be proven, it remains a theory.
cutis1000 4 months ago
@cutis1000 No, creationism is a hypothesis at best(actually doesn't even qualify as a hypothesis).
A theory is supported by facts and confirmed observations.
It's a fairy tale.
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@baldurus1 No let me explain something to you, evolution is a religion, it is nowhere close to a theory, it is based on lies and assumptions, not facts. You said it's backed by facts and observations, sorry evolution cannot be observed, this is common sense, we weren't here for the millions of years to observe it so it is not observable, if it had fact it would be true not a theory you idiot. FACTS ARE AGAINST EVOLUTION. Please provide me with some"facts" of evidence idiot
kingseho 1 month ago
@kingseho Did you observe the creation? Did you observe The creation of Adam and Eve?
No!!! You didn't, so according to your "logic" creation never happened.
One word, ERV.
baldurus1 1 month ago
@cutis1000 Creationism is a scientific theory. So is the big bang.
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1:30 Why is everything about morals with these guys?
pochopaz7381 4 months ago
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the bible says: his thoughts are not our thoughts and his ways are not our ways isaiah 55:8 ....so why should i believe you human atheist and band together with you if you are just mere humans like me, no greater no less? kirk and ray arent saying believe in them, they are saying believe in the report of the LORD. its not them im following, dont you see brian and kelly, its GOD
BFFFL16 4 months ago
Kirk....shut up. U make no sense boy. Why do people actually watch these guys' show? Oh, yeah, brainwashed.
83redrose83 5 months ago
Albert Einstein believed in god and god made bananas.................
pokeshmon 5 months ago
"My argument will be that Darwinism is the only known theory that is in principle capable of explaining certain aspects of life. If I am right it means that, even if there were no actual evidence in favour of Darwinian theory (there is, of course) we should still be justified in preferring it over all rival theories." -Richard Dawkins
This doesn't say to believe in something without proof. In fact it pretty much says the opposite. Kirk, you're deluded.
Mumbo137 5 months ago
" 'The fool says in his heart there is no God.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there are none who do good....
For you save a humble people, but the haughty eyes you bring down.... For it is you who light my lamp; the Lord my God lightens my darkness." Psalm 14 & 18
pecky143 5 months ago
Then I guess that makes you an agnostic. It's not a bad position. Even atheists are agnostic to some degree as we can't be absolutely certain that god doesn't exist. The decision to be made is; where abouts on the sliding scale of agnosticism do you sit? On a scale of 1 to 10 are you closer to believing or non believing? You must have a leaning one way or another....
boc1953 6 months ago
Hey, young man. Your god, with all the specifics, is the one that many atheist do not believe in.
thre3eplus 6 months ago
Actually logic has little to do with the belief or non-belief in God. It is a condition of the heart. That is to say, ones core-vision overrides logic.
manictatter 6 months ago
Kirk Cameron uses his past as an atheist as leverage that his point of view is more logical. He really does seem that if someone claims to have converted, then whatever they converted to is most logical.
buckster888able 7 months ago
so true... they dont want to see the world for what it is.. sad.. they are often quite angry and hateful too..
zzzzzzzz0zzzzzzzz 7 months ago
Or maybe Allah will kick him to hell.
theword1975 7 months ago
VERY well said Kirk God Bless You :0)
HITIDES1 7 months ago
@HITIDES1 There are so many things wrong with what Kirk said, I don't even know where to begin. Unbelievable!
boc1953 7 months ago
@boc1953 what's funny is I agree with you and kirk cameron, i guess it's a side effect of appreciating both perspectives. if only i could superposition myself like a subatomic particle and be both an athiest and a thiest and see which one turns out better before collapsing down to that one. I already know which one lives longer and has a better quality of life from statistics, but which one is right? only time will tell, i say better to hedge your bets and live longer and better at the same time
depthforge 6 months ago
@depthforge you'd just become an AGNOSTIC. It's between the middle. You neither disagree or agree that God exist.
7Nexus21 6 months ago
There is a difference between intelligence understanding being smart being capable being knowlegable and being instincively good. U can be great doctor but you can be an idiot.
2RayneR7 7 months ago
So not being able to man up and be in charge of your own fate is the best way to lead ones life?
KadlerDraven 8 months ago
Notice the "World View" debaters have little respect for Kirk & Ray. They shift their papers, roll their eyes, frown, laugh when a good point is made, but notice very little eye contact from them, they always look away.
pewtoobe 8 months ago
@pewtoobe Well when someone spouts nonsense and refuses to answer questions i tend to roll my eyes as well.
KadlerDraven 8 months ago
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I'm so happy I AM a Christian.
theshellest 8 months ago
I suppose I just haven't "circumnavigated my intellect".
M0rdacious 8 months ago
I am gald I am an atheist.
Theclowcard 8 months ago
@Theclowcard Hello Gald, welcome to our club :P
curlymolly70 8 months ago
@curlymolly70: My deepest apology for spelling mistake (it's supposed to be "glad") :P
Theclowcard 8 months ago
@Theclowcard XD
curlymolly70 8 months ago
oh and christains have moral justification?? all they have to do is get saved!
miretchin 8 months ago
IDIOTS! they ASSERT that its logical and state albert einstein was an atheist--are they f******* idiots to ignore????????????? and they just TELL me---well first of all they took the quote out of context. secondly, there actually IS evidence for evolution so that richard dawkins quote is actually irrelevant. and they tell ME about how bad blind faith is?? why do they assume our world is a swiss watch or an airplane?
miretchin 8 months ago
Einstein was AGNOSTIC you fool!
bw2182 9 months ago
Ok lets sum this up if Evolution is concrete fact where are the transitional forms Darwin spoke of, I mean show me one transitional form- basing that on the definition of transition which means to complete change in form and function
an example is in basketball when a team scores a bucket they immediately switch to defense which has different objectives and method then what the same five people who were just on offense
johnh25007 9 months ago
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I'm so happy i am a Christian :)
MegaLoveRevolution 9 months ago
To quote Jesus and apply it to Kirk and Ray, Father, forgive them for they know not what they do (great harm to Christianity with such poor arguments)
redcommander27 9 months ago
kirk cameron was never an atheist,what a scam to get people to believe in jesus-aka god,nice try...
puncho33 9 months ago
2:10-2:50!!!!!!!!! PRIME reason of why people reject Christ and why a lot of atheists are angry, condescending and just want to close up when discussing God. I can and will point out numerous times in these videos where Brian and Kelly demonstrate this type of behavior in the most obvious fashion.
Atheists are not free but bound by sin and don't know it and/or don't want to face this fact because it would mean you have to be accountable for every wrong you've done.
mytuber81 9 months ago
If you respond to god in church with 10% of your income you will go to heaven. It's not a pyramid scheme, but we want your money and we need you to spread the gospel for us for free.
MUGENKINGU 10 months ago
I am just happy that my sins are forgiven. That God has given me the grace to respect where other people come from without condemnation. I am thankful that with God there is hope despite my questions, and forgiveness despite my fallibility. It is my hope that the dialogue between Christian and Atheist will be more constructive and less derisive. This was not as much of a debate, as much as it was a testimonial of two sides clearly divided.
BarbarosDerby132 10 months ago
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john17972 10 months ago
Dawkins wrote:
“Instead of examining the evidence for and against rival theories, I shall adopt a more armchair approach. My argument will be that Darwinism is the only known theory that is in principle capable of explaining certain aspects of life. If I am right it means that, even if there were no actual evidence in favour of the Darwinian theory (there is, of course) we should still be justified in preferring it over all rival theories”
Compare this to what Cameron says at 1:32 - 2:03.
tuberspud 10 months ago
Most of those people were deists or pantheists, which has nothing to do with Christianity. Deism and pantheism have nothing to do with a personal god.
MGiants82 10 months ago
Are you americans really that dumb or is Kirk's view just the view of a little minority? I heard, that more americans do not believe in evolution, than do accept this fact.
HeilLoki 11 months ago
@HeilLoki Unfortunately a sizable chunk of this country do think like this idiot, mostly outside of large cities. It is hilarious to watch but very frightening, especially considering these nuts can and have been elected to high offices. They are ignorant, purposely misinformed and isolated by a spoiled, violent, celebrity worshiping culture that doesn't understand how it is viewed by everyone else.
RSrunner88 11 months ago 5
@RSrunner88the high majority of our presidents were Christian,much more believe in God. Despite the economic crisis we are in we are still BY FAR the most prosperous nation on Earth.So what is your basis for being afraid that they are elected into high office? "These nuts"have already been in office since the founding of our nation.BLESSED IS THE NATION WHOSE GOD IS THE LORD! Psalm33:12 the majority of people in the US believe in God.It is not a coincidence that we are so prosperous.
kb24crazylaker 1 month ago
The evidence that God existed is seen atheists people believing in God & Christ existence ? . Don`t debate in something that you don`t accepted.. period.. or care about it.. So, what makes an atheist debate with stupid christian people.?.. His ignorance & his stupidity.. Or His natural evil is tell him, I can`t stop these feeling anymore.. about the living God & Christ.. I am trapped in flesh & mind...Amen
juandey 11 months ago
It is unfortunate because Kirk seems intelligent and certainly well meaning, but he is dumbing himself down in order to resist his fear of nihilism and death.
MrNicMachiavelli 11 months ago
Kirk is right. "it's not that you can't find God, it's that you won't"...the lady said in one of the previous videos. "I'd rather go to hell then go to heaven and worship...God"...but that argument could go both ways I guess: it's not that theists can't find evidence for the absence of a god, it's that they won't.
reziboy100 11 months ago
@reziboy100 I agree. Religion is solely based on faith while atheism is based on scientific facts. That being said, there hasn't been any irrefutable facts that disproved or proved the existence of god. And there never will be.
myassin2009 11 months ago
@reziboy100 yea you are right....So Christians can't blame atheists for not believing of God since it is based on faith. Not everyone is gonna have that faith. I have that faith but I can't make anyone accept it...
reziboy100 11 months ago
when he was an atheist? he converted when he was 17!
lastmondaypast1 11 months ago
Ad hominem Kirk Cameron! Shame on you.
wachnathan 1 year ago
I find it interesting that Kirk Cameron listed Einstein, Newton and Galileo - all scientists - in his list of theists. All three men likely would have told him that he is dead wrong is impugning the science behind evolution.
He is profoundly ignorant.
dewonderkind 1 year ago
Einstein was agnostic.
Hulkamania4eva 1 year ago
I remember the good old religious days. The salem witch trials, the crusades, the colonial conquests, the dark ages, zero progress in science, zero progress in civility, ahh how i wish i was back in those days!
And now we have become more secular and look what has become of our world! Oh how horrific our planet is! We can now cure diseases, have become more civil, have increased the life expectancy, we put men on the moon, have progressed tremendously in science, and have abandoned religion.
xenomann442 1 year ago
if evolution turned out to be wrong, which could happen, that would not make creationism less stupid, just because our best explanation is one day proven wrong, guess what, that doesn't mean you did prove yours, and that's the problem, you constantly try to debunk evolution, like it would automatically prove creationism, and that is not how it works, you will never be able to, because biologist work day and night finding more proofs, but you don't work at all, you just take it for granted
TenkuNoWind 1 year ago
Kirk really thinks that he's god is the same as Einstein' and Newton's? Furthermore, that listing of "clever theists" is a fallacy, argumentum ad populum.
aditzzaaa 1 year ago
Can the athiests tell me where the ability to compose a piece of music which makes a person cry come from? Is that science?
1Thompsonmusic 1 year ago
@1Thompsonmusic different people have different tastes. generally the music plays on emotions to remind u of a personal affliction!!!
phoenix7574 1 year ago
It's obvious there is a creator, as everything is CREATED. DUHH!
1Thompsonmusic 1 year ago
Kirk and his partner need a course in logic. There were so many logical fallacies the atheists used to argue. But when you do not recognize them, you fall into the trap and try to answer or defend what has been wrongly posited. It is frustrating and sad to see such inept defenders of the Faith.
psa110 1 year ago
SO BACK WHEN A CHRISTIAN WROTE IN THE BIBLE THAT THE WORLD IS ROUND, YET THE ATHIESTS AT THE TIME SWORE THAT IT WAS FLAT, I ASSUME THAT CHRISTIAN WAS IGNORANT AS WELL? OR WHEN AN ATHIEST NOW COMMITS MURDER , WITH THE EXCUSE THAT THERE ARENT ANY DEF. VALUES OR MORALS, HE IS JUSITIFED? VS A MUSLIM THAT KILLS IN THE NAME OF GOD?
therootofallprobs 1 year ago
I used to think I could create psi energy balls between my hands if I just tried hard enough and had enough faith.
Science won.
bcgabriot 1 year ago 28
@bcgabriot lmao, i use to do the same thing. then i realized just because i wanted something to happen doesnt mean it would happen. and isnt that religion for you? you want to believe in something because it makes you feel good, but just because you want something to be real doesnt mean it is.
autopsy87 7 months ago
@bcgabriot I don't entirely disagree with you, but there's a clear difference between a young person who tries to "create psi energy balls" until he's bored of it and, say, a Tai Chi master who does such things because he's practiced it daily for ten years or more. if you think "energy balls" are a ridiculous idea it's probably because of your hoaxy western interpretations of what the Chinese have been doing correctly for many thousands of years.
truthslap 4 months ago
Yeah! How dare evolutionists have blind faith! That's our schtick! Oh... wait... you fundamentally misquoted Richard Dawkins. Dawkins said that (paraphrasing (but accurately)): "Since Darwinism is the only theory which explains certain necessary aspects of life, that even without proof, logic dictates that it should be the predominant theory until better evidence is presented". That's not blind faith. That's the scientific method, baby.
StevenBee2 1 year ago
@StevenBee2 it is the same were there are gaps chance fills it for you. Where as others fill it with God now thats science baby. But the reason God outweighs chance is because it is from since time and memoria. or as i prefer to say if it aint broke dont try and fix it.
hanafimuslim 1 year ago
@hanafimuslim They still misquoted him. And to your point, Astronomy, burning witches, and believing that the sun revolved around the Earth were around from time immemorial. Are you suggesting the pursuit of truth is a worthless endeavor because if you squint the eyes of your mind enough, ignore things we know to be right, you can take ancient, flawed views and force your understanding around it... such as the world being 6,000 years old? If so, you are beyond anyone's help but your own.
StevenBee2 1 year ago
@StevenBee2 not all religions beleive the earth is 6000 years old everyything the western world judges by is the bible. besides the bible was originally in hebrew understandings get lost through translastion. the bible has been tampered with throughout the ages to suit ones agenda its no longer in its original form. The bible should not be the criterion used to deny the existence of God. Everyone should pursue truthbut you are already assuming there is no God you are being biased.
hanafimuslim 1 year ago
@hanafimuslim In most of my dealings in life, I'm also biased in that I assume that there are no unicorns :-P
StevenBee2 1 year ago
@StevenBee2 As muslims we are and hacve always been encouraged to pursue the truth to increase our knowledge and braden our horizons. Unfortuantely most of us have forgotten this in fact i encourage you to search for the truth but be open minded and dont judge all religions by the bible. Also what Dawkins is asking you to ignore reason in the God delusion and automatically belive in evolution now this is unreasonable and irrational.
PEACE
hanafimuslim 1 year ago
@hanafimuslim This is the misunderstanding of Dawkins statement that Kirk made. He's not saying to believe in evolution based on faith. What he's saying is that without fossil evidence, it is still the best hypothesis as to the origin of species, so science, by the very mechanics of what science is, "believes" it to be true, until a "better" solution comes along. The same holds true with everything science "believes" - gravitation, thermodynamics, etc, it's the "best answer for now".
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StevenBee2 1 year ago
2:50 athiests deny the evidence for a god? You Kirk, are a complete moron.
joe80dmanizanerd 1 year ago
i saw what they call the missing link and it by no means resembles anything like a human it looks like something from the dinosaur age.
prime440 1 year ago
@prime440 If it looks like a human then you would say it is human. If it looks like a chimp then you call it a chimp. You wouldn't know a 'missing link' if you saw one.
Look at Ardi or Lucy, they are both 'missing links''
gregrutz 1 year ago
@cutis1000 no such evidence just speculation the misssing link has never been found cause there isnt one
prime440 1 year ago
@prime440 Unfortunately, that is where you are wrong. The evidence keeps mounting ALL OF THE TIME.
telegraph.co.uk/science/evolution/7550033/Missing-link-between-man-and-apes-found.html
cutis1000 1 year ago
@cutis1000 its not substantiated with real facts only speculation your saying man regressed backwards into ape like creatures . sorry your wrong
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cutis1000 1 year ago
@prime440 Yes, it IS substantiated. Why don't you read the story??
Do you bother to read science journals of any kind? New discoveries are being made all of the time!
Found: Australopithecus sediba fossil: dated to just under 2-million-years old
the scientific world has agreed that this is a new species!
cutis1000 1 year ago
@cutis100 do you read the gospel of christ ?or just read science journals?
prime440 1 year ago
@prime440 science journals
cutis1000 1 year ago
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prime440 1 year ago
@prime440 So what would prove evolution to you ?
gregrutz 1 year ago
if u need proof in order to believe, u first need to believe that there is proof, and once you believe that there is proof, u don't need proof anymore in order to believe. it's really simple! :D
nait08 1 year ago
@nait08 You are right!!! hehehe!....and so far...seems the whole world (both sides) need proof to believe.
maclaireful 1 year ago
Why can't krik apply what dawkin's said about evolution to his no evidence having belief in God? Mind you, I think he is probably quote mining. regardless, he should still apply it to his belief if he feels so strongly about those words.
lashkaretoiba 1 year ago
I'm so happy I'm not christian.
Sojio 1 year ago 33
@Sojio im sorry for you
prime440 1 year ago
@prime440 Why?
Sojio 1 year ago
@Sojio I hope you say the same thing when you are burning in hell
dhide14 1 year ago
@dhide14 Nah decided I'm not going to hell.
Sojio 1 year ago
@Sojio lol Idon't see why.
iamspid3rman 11 months ago
@iamspid3rman It seems to me that one of the biggest arguments with atheism is that without gods creation and the possibility of an afterlife giving our lives value and direction life has no meaning. But when i look at something like the Hubble Telescope deep field and consider how how lucky we are to exist in this massively violent universe i know i don't need a fallback like god. Believers often state that atheists are ignoring the inevitable but i know it's the other way around
Sojio 11 months ago
@Sojio Interesting, because I look the Hubble Telescope deep field, I see how blessed we are to exist and how great our God is.lol You use the word "know" very loosely, considering that we don't fully know and understand the human brain, but yet we claim to "know" that there isn't a God and the process of which we came to exist. I'm curious as to what would be the alternative to your first comment? Aethists believe that we're here by accident, so then our main purpose would be only be survival.
iamspid3rman 11 months ago
@iamspid3rman Your logic seems to be somewhat flawed. I use the term 'know' loosely i agree with you that we are not certain of our origins or about how the universe came to pass. But the evidence for, far surpasses the evidence against. Therefore i use the term 'know.' It's not an appropriate word to use but i prefer using 'know to define 'the evidence that exists proves' as to keep the reply conscise. You say that "Aethists believe that we're here by accident" this is not the case.
Sojio 11 months ago
@Sojio Hmm perhaps I could mistaken, what do atheists believe? As far as evidence, there is just as much as evidence to refute the conclusions that had been made from it. I done quite some research on the topic and come to conclude people will see what they see, the cup half empty or the cup half full.
iamspid3rman 11 months ago
@iamspid3rman I don't think your as much mistaken as you are misinformed. Atheists don't believe. We center our knowledge around facts that have been proven or are under fair testing and experiment where facts are compiled and presented in a reasonable manner. I'm probably wrong about what some theists believe. After all there are different levels of belief. I just detest theists trying to disprove already proven fact with arbitrary speculation.
Sojio 11 months ago
@Sojio To not believe IS a belief, you chose not believe. Well some theists do that because they aren't fully educated in their belief, just as an atheist refuses to believe, regardless of what their reasons may be.I personally don't try to disprove any fact, because that action of itself is dictating that it's not a fact to begin with. What theists tend to do is offer an alternate explanation to the facts, as well as subjecting theory to speculation and scrutiny.
iamspid3rman 11 months ago
@iamspid3rman "subjecting theory to speculation and scrutiny." Does that include Deuteronomy 13:5 and Deuteronomy 17:12?
There is nothing wrong with disproving facts. It's attempting to disprove the facts without substantial evidence.
Theists are often offering this alternate explanation to young children barely 5 years old and building multi million dollar museum promoting false information, that the grand canyon was caused by a flood, that the earth is 6000 years old.
Sojio 11 months ago
By the same logic you could say that the idea of a 'higher power' creating us would also be accidental or coincidental. Why didn't it create the Xarglarbs in sector 6 with giant tentacle faces? Or why did it create us with such poor physical forms? Our main purpose, as all living organisms is to survive. Our main purpose on this planet, biologically, is to breed and aid in that breeding in order to have a majority strength over that which hunts us.
Sojio 11 months ago
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@iamspid3rman It seems to me that one of the biggest arguments with atheism is that without gods creation and the possibility of an afterlife giving our lives value and direction life has no meaning. But when i look at something like the Hubble Telescope deep field and consider how how lucky we are to exist in this massively violent universe i know i don't need a fallback like god. Believers often state that atheists are ignoring the inevitable but i know it's the other way around.
Sojio 11 months ago
@Sojio why?
heightboosting 11 months ago
@heightboosting Read my other comments.
Sojio 11 months ago
@Sojio I am so happy I am not an Atheist.
TheBbg83 10 months ago
@Sojio i'm so happy i'm not atheist
k12rising 9 months ago
@k12rising Touche sir, your arguement is flawless.
Sojio 9 months ago
@Sojio not trying to start an argument just expressing my views like your self. Atheists them selves seem like left brain people, meaning they are so brainwashed into thinking evolution is the truth they can't access there right brain.
k12rising 9 months ago
@k12rising athiest are not brainwashed into anything,they take the actual facts into account and go with the best solution for that time..if an actual fact pops up that destroys that theory ,they scrap it immediately.they've looked at all religions from zues to modern day islam,christianity.etc.(which ironically have all evolved from the previous ones).and know from the facts that it is an insecurity of man,and made by man for comfort and government..that simple..if god showed up,we would change
xfactorb25222 8 months ago
@k12rising Us too!
curlymolly70 8 months ago
Actually religous people are statistically less intelligent and more likely to do something considered "immoral".
Randomidable 1 year ago
beleiving in god is far different than being religion. god exists outside of religion, and the bible is fiction.
mattybock 1 year ago
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1 Cor 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. - This verse in the bible clearly puts in perspective the response here. We as Christians are to pass on the Word, and pray for them that God will change their hearts.
TheBblakely 1 year ago
Those guys believed in God because they would be burned at the stake by the Catholic church for their scientific ideas. So they pretended to believe
BeAsTm0aD 1 year ago
@BeAsTm0aD Catholic Church? They're Protestant, dummy.
jshjamaar 1 year ago
@jshjamaar no not them, the people he was talking about such as Galileo....Issac Newton.... If they said they didn't believe, the pope would have them burned because they were presenting ideas that went against Catholic Teaching.
BeAsTm0aD 1 year ago
very good use of ethos and pathos, but there wasn't that much logos in you rhetoric. Which when you get to the very basis of arguments is necessary
electorg 1 year ago
i love how the kirk guy goes all Scientologists at the start he's like look at these people who believe in intelligent design.
jaredwilston 1 year ago
Some people respond to creation differently and with wonder. Wonder at how the universe and not some bearded white dude in the clouds could lead to the formation of such a magical places as Earth.
grosenf1 1 year ago
If I do understand the quote clearly, he's saying it should be preferred because of its ability to explain existence over rival theories. He isn't saying that it should be believed as actual fact, when in that case it would not be, because Dawkins is smart enough not to believe something that is false. All that aside, he was being hoypothetical. So Kirk's point really falls flat.
FollyxXxFallen 1 year ago
@FollyxXxFallen Stop trying to vouch for him.
jshjamaar 1 year ago
He names many men who were believers, but in those times (for the most part) that was the only real belief system in their time periods. There wasn't the science we had today.
So what people mean by "god believers are stupid" they mean "in today's world, with today's tech, you cannot believe in God and be smart, it's just silly"
Sypher555 1 year ago
God bless you Kirk we love you in the Lord for speaking the vital eternal truth.
Jesus Christ is real that's why millions of people believe and make him known.
kimbothebimbo805 1 year ago
everyone has their own beliefs...who is correct? Religion is religion, when it comes to it, people disagrees and argues all the time. I don't get it!
zxxxier 1 year ago
kirk misquoted dawkins and completely misunderstood what he meant by that. typical creationist...hey act like they understand science, then proceed to say things that show they are fundamentally science illiterate.
trenchrun 1 year ago
creation clearly shows there is a creator?what the fuck is that all about what a sleezey motherfucker he is arrogant and dangerous.
megamus3 1 year ago 2
ouch! incomplete quotation on purpose means misquotation!
Stahldorn 1 year ago
Kirk, think with your brain. Thinking with your heart doesn't work. Citing a list of individuals who believed in God is irrelevant to the argument that you and Ray are proposing: that God does exist. So far, no evidence has come forth to support your case.
cutis1000 1 year ago 26
@cutis1000 if you speak tell me where you came from? do you see who gave you sight? if you eat who made the food? if you breathe air to survive who made the air? if you need to drink who made the water? please tell me you are living and you are not a zombie... God is there and you need to relize that he made you and he has control over your very life.
TheKomoto456 1 year ago
@TheKomoto456 Evolution explains life. Evolution answers all of your questions.
cutis1000 1 year ago
@cutis1000 the theory of life man what your believing is a lie and its not truth... the word of God is truth man just look into it its all i ask
TheKomoto456 1 year ago
@cutis1000 no evidence supports the origin of man pertaining to darwinism eithor ,a quote from dawkins himself "we are working on it"
prime440 1 year ago
@cutis1000can you prove that they have found a genuine living transitional form (a lizard that produced a bird, or a dog that produced kittens, or a sheep that produced a chicken, or even as Archaeopteryx—a dinosaur that produced a bird). Species do not cross, no matter how long you leave them. The whole of creation is proof that evolution is truly “a fairytale for grownups.
heightboosting 11 months ago
@heightboosting Again, that isn't what a transitional animal is. It is a slow process, like using spectrum with black at one end and white at the other with a slow shading of grey connecting the two. Not a block of black immediately leading to a block of white. Remember, many steps are needed to walk a mile.
schadenfreudelolz22 11 months ago
@schadenfreudelolz22 Yes, exactly, if its such a slow process, then there should be plenty of cases where we can see 100 % clear transitions between species. There should be numerous intermediary stages where the process has not completed its full transition... Did all the individual species fully transform at the same exact time as well, since we cannot find anything whatsoever in our present time that indicates a transition in the making.
heightboosting 11 months ago
@cutis1000 That was not his point CUTIS1000, are you not comprehending what he is saying ? Or did you not listen..... His point was that people who send in emails and claim that Kirk and other people who believe in God are stupid people. SO that is why he mentioned those names to demonstrate that people who we consider extremely SMART were believers themselves !!! GET IT ??? He mentioned those names to make a point directed at those who sent in those emails !!!!! Thank you and no offense :)
heightboosting 11 months ago
@heightboosting Excuse me, but the point of the debate was that these two ignorant individuals could prove the existence of god. They did not prove the existence of god. It is irrelevant how stupid or intelligent you are when it comes to believing in god. God is about faith, not intellect. So for Kirk to list of names of famous people who believed in god, doesn't do anything to support his claim that god exists. Thank you and no offense. :-)
cutis1000 11 months ago
@cutis1000 You need to investigate who worships Satan and Lucifer. You will find some odd stuff. So regardless if you believe in it or not, these people do believe in God and Lucifer. So if we believe in God and we are irrational what are those who rule us believing in Lucifer?
TheBbg83 10 months ago
The problem is there is actual evidence, and no actual evidence for your blind faith Kirk.
whybag 1 year ago
the most intelligent man always told others that there is a God
ElLeonidas2009 1 year ago
My favorite example of a realistic caricature of an Atheist is Brian (the dog form "Family Guy") and the best thing I've ever seen is when Quagmire tell him off. Check out "Quagmire tells off Brian" on Youtube. Finally an atheist get's what he deserves.
bluesith 1 year ago
So Dawkins would be stupid for believing in something if it had no proof. But Christians are not stupid for doing that very same thing. The point was to present evidence for god and the best they could come up with is "if you had faith you would see him". Case closed. Geez you really learned them proper.
zappafile 1 year ago
Lame argument. So lame it has a name. Argumentum ad verecundiam
zappafile 1 year ago
Is this debate between Atheists and Christians? or against Atheists beliefs and the fact that there is "a God"? (Be it that it is the Christian God or the Muslim God or the Hindu gods)
Sounds like both sides have a level of faith, one is in a god, the other is in intellectual self.
What we think scientifically can drastically change. One theory can give way to another. (for example, people believed within their limited scientific beliefs that the Earth was flat.)
bluesith 1 year ago
"Creation clearly demonstrate's there is a creator." Huh ?
steveinchelsea 1 year ago
It seems records have him saying contradictory things. I know for sure he wasn't a Christian, that was not my argument. Let's face it, this isn't about him, it's about you....And your soul. Many scientists have come into their profession completely believing that God is folly, and they have discovered otherwise to their scientific study. Many, people have many stories, that twist them each way, the matter is, which one is true. If you decide he isn't, let that passion drive your very existence.
Dtrumpet50 1 year ago
@Dtrumpet50 Which scientists have come into their profession completely believing that God is folly, and have discovered otherwise?
ixnay66 1 year ago
TIME MAGAZINE INTERVIEW: "I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is..."
Dtrumpet50 1 year ago
how many times does Albert Einstien have to state that he is an atheist before christians stop claiming that he believes in god.
willardftw 1 year ago
TIME MAGAZINE INTERVIEW: "I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is
Dtrumpet50 1 year ago
@Dtrumpet50 I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.
- Albert Einstein, letter to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism; quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic, Vol. 5, No. 2
willardftw 1 year ago
@Dtrumpet50 the misconception is that einstien believes in the "cosmic religion". so people say that he is a theist, but what is the cosmic religion? it is the belief in science. basically he does not believe in the super natural and the only thing he believes in is science... thats also called atheism. he was raised religions and turned atheist after becoming a scientist - most scientists have a similar story.
willardftw 1 year ago
@Dtrumpet50 in another letter, eisntien wrote a long description about the origin of religion. in which he claimed that religion is an aspect of the humans inmagination and invented out of fear.
willardftw 1 year ago
@Dtrumpet50 i know this because 3 months ago i made a 45 slide powerpoint on eisntien for a school project and i still have all my note, we can argue about this but you won't win. so don't bother.
willardftw 1 year ago
"I believe in Christianity as I believe in the sun, not just because I can see the sun but because through it I see everything else."- C.S LEWIS
Dtrumpet50 1 year ago
The red head is well hot though BTW!
raginbullfrog 1 year ago
Before the discovery of Dinosaurs, there was really hardly a reason why people should not believe in God. It seemed to be around this time people really challenged the Bible. Issac Newton also believed in fairies and goblins, and was clearly as loony as a loony thing. So he is really not the best example.
raginbullfrog 1 year ago
Kirk Cameron is such an idiot!
davidbaine07 1 year ago
I don't believe in the christian God because if I did I would have to believe that billions of humans were sent to hell because they simply did not know of Christianity.
atmdusty 1 year ago
Atheist reject that concept because in their opinion it's all a bunch of rubbish.
TaoTeChing00 1 year ago